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Full Gear 2025 · Elite Heat

00:00:00.54 Tim All right. We're doing real good. All right. Right out of the gate. This is the first ever episode of Elite Heat. And boy, is it going sound like it? 00:00:07.96 Dug Boom, it is... ah We're gangbusters. Gangbusters. 00:00:11.16 Tim So I'm Tim. That's Doug. And Doug somehow has apparently already almost killed your computer. What did you do? 00:00:18.90 Dug Okay, so i have a arm attached above me in the closet. And i un I accidentally unscrewed the wrong thing. Which meant... 00:00:29.43 Tim but So you're doing it again. That's the important thing. 00:00:30.95 Dug Well, I have a hold of it. Which means this metal rod... fell and hit my computer but it hit in the only place that wouldn't wreck it so i almost wrecked it about three minutes ago so yeah yeah feeling pretty good about feeling pretty good about 00:00:35.66 Tim Oh, God. 00:00:44.95 Tim Awesome. that's ah That's what you want. 00:01:07.86 Tim So here we are in our extreme, 00:01:10.68 Dug ah ah 00:01:13.30 Tim in our extremely professional setups, as you can see, the, the hope is that someday somebody will give us money so we can get better stuff. 00:01:22.10 Dug Exactly. Exactly. 00:01:23.06 Tim Talking to you, Bluetooth. Um, 00:01:27.38 Dug but 00:01:28.38 Tim I mean, they sponsor every other wrestling podcast. 00:01:30.83 Dug I'll take 00:01:31.10 Tim Like, why not? 00:01:32.78 Dug I'll take it. 00:01:33.88 Tim So anyway, here we are a couple, what, 12-ish hours after the end of full year 2025. I have thoughts about the main event. 00:01:43.90 Dug Okay. Do you want to start there? 00:01:46.32 Tim Nope, I want to do this in chronological order because that's how my notes are. 00:01:48.73 Dug Okay. Oh, that's fine. 00:01:50.63 Tim huh? ah 00:01:53.30 Dug that's That's fine. Let's do that then. 00:01:54.30 Tim Yeah. And it's all about me and what makes me comfortable. 00:01:56.92 Dug I, of course. Yeah, man. 00:01:58.36 Tim Screw the rest of you jabronis. 00:02:00.15 Dug Thank 00:02:01.55 Tim Yeah. 00:02:02.10 Dug Put my stick away. 00:02:03.58 Tim That would probably a good start before you hurt yourself or others. 00:02:07.71 Dug Speaking of putting my stick away with blue chew, it's going to tougher if for you to put your stick away because man, oh man, does that work. 00:02:12.02 Tim ah 00:02:16.02 Tim Well, you'll need a doctor after a certain amount of hours, but. 00:02:18.97 Dug And if, and if your blue chew effect lasts four hours or longer, congratulations. 00:02:25.52 Tim Yeah. but Don't call a doctor. Call, a go to Vegas, go to Reno. 00:02:29.75 Dug Yeah. Or Thailand. 00:02:30.87 Tim um Yeah, apparently. All right. So let's start with the $250,000 four-way tag team extravaganza. 00:02:41.40 Tim Here's why I sigh. 00:02:41.46 Dug Yeah, no. Okay. 00:02:43.99 Tim I think that they have gotten into too much of a ah money match crutch. We've had a bunch of them lately. 00:02:52.69 Dug You had two on the same show. 00:02:54.75 Tim Mm-hmm. And there have been a bunch of them on, you know, dynamites and collisions running up to it. And I think it makes sense within the young buck storyline, but, but with the others, I just, I don't know. 00:03:03.35 Dug Yes, yes, 100%. Yeah. 00:03:07.64 Dug What? Yeah, why? 00:03:09.02 Tim Yeah, I don't get it. 00:03:10.71 Dug That one had me scratching my head as well. I honestly kind of forgot they were doing the money thing until the match. i was like, oh, yeah. 00:03:18.81 Tim Yeah, and so, i mean, whatever. if If that's their way of wanting to put stakes on a match, I guess that's fine. 00:03:26.30 Dug Yeah. 00:03:26.55 Tim I think I would rather you do something like, you know, winner, I don't know, winner goes on to like a number one contender match or something. 00:03:36.94 Tim You know, I just, I don't know. 00:03:37.71 Dug Right. 00:03:38.70 Tim I'd like to see him shake that up a little bit. 00:03:38.81 Dug Mm-hmm. Yeah, that would. 00:03:40.70 Tim Other than that, though, I thought it was a good match. Finish surprised me. 00:03:44.28 Dug Yeah, I was. 00:03:45.37 Tim I don't know if, yeah, I don't know if you, we did pics on social media. 00:03:46.42 Dug shock 00:03:51.03 Dug Man, you did not. 00:03:52.82 Tim We did not do good. You can find us at Elite Heat Pod on pretty much every social media channel um because, you know, other jerks sat on Elite Heat, but whatever. 00:03:54.17 Dug No. 00:04:02.68 Tim um 00:04:02.88 Dug Yeah, idiots. 00:04:04.70 Tim So we put pics up there before the show. We did poorly, and this is one that we both got wrong. 00:04:11.00 Dug Yeah. Yeah. i picked ah I picked for the Scissor Boys to come back together and win. 00:04:18.01 Tim I did too. I mean, I thought that they would win cause they're doing the storyline of like, they're supposed to tag together, but they don't like each other. And I thought it made sense within storyline context. 00:04:25.06 Dug Yeah. 00:04:26.93 Tim Here's what I'll say though. Obviously spoilers, by the way, here, if you haven't watched the show yet um I will say I was glad to see the bang bang gang win because I'm hoping they'll do something with them now. 00:04:31.51 Dug Duh. 00:04:36.28 Dug Yeah. 100%. 00:04:38.96 Tim Cause I'm not go lie to you I kind of forgot about them. um 00:04:41.13 Dug Mm-hmm. 00:04:41.91 Tim And I know there've been injuries. 00:04:41.98 Dug Well, they got... Yeah, half the... You know, you had one left, I think, that was uninjured, so... 00:04:47.73 Tim Yeah. So I'm hoping they'll something with him now. Also, did you remember that they had signed Ace Austin? Because I didn't. 00:04:54.59 Dug Yeah. 00:04:55.16 Tim yeah 00:04:55.25 Dug Mm-hmm. I like Ace Austin. I think it's a good sign. 00:04:58.71 Tim I do too. 00:04:59.25 Dug I think him with the bang gang Bang Bang Gang is a good good call. um Still waiting for Jay White to get back, but otherwise, I was a little surprised by that win. I'm not hating on it. 00:05:11.58 Tim No, I'm not either. Like I said, I hope they do something more with him. I hope it's a sign that at least one of those dudes, either him or I think it's Colton is the injured gun. 00:05:20.09 Dug Yeah. Yes. 00:05:22.01 Tim um 00:05:22.07 Dug Yes. 00:05:23.18 Tim Hopefully it means that at least one of them is getting close to coming back. I just like to see him do something. 00:05:27.61 Dug Yeah, that'd be great. 00:05:27.83 Tim i like the bang, bang gang. I always have, I think they're fun. 00:05:30.60 Dug Mm-hmm. 00:05:30.62 Tim So yeah, solid match though. 00:05:30.84 Dug 100%. one hundred percent 00:05:35.07 Tim RPG vice and boom and doom, your thoughts. 00:05:38.94 Dug Um, yeah, it's one of those matches that I'm not sure why they're doing it. I'm not sure what this big boom AJ, I mean, I get it. He's got a big social following. 00:05:52.14 Dug He's kind of a professional wrestler on the indie sort of kind of, and I get it. They're getting eyeballs on the product. Um, having RPG vice, take a loss to boom and doom, which I saw coming. 00:06:06.03 Dug Cause you're not going to have boom and doom lose. I don't think. 00:06:08.79 Tim I don't think he's ever lost with AEW. 00:06:10.74 Dug No. 00:06:11.49 Tim I think he's undefeated. 00:06:13.21 Dug And i mean i mean, I get it. it's It's there to be entertaining. You pick a team that's going to work with them. Well, those two guys make anybody look decent. 00:06:18.39 Tim Yeah. Yeah. 00:06:20.37 Dug And so it's fine. It's fine for what it is. it wasn't a match for us. I think it was for the younger kids. And that's great. 00:06:28.50 Tim Yeah, I agree. I agree. Here's what I wrote. Probably better than it should have been, but meh. 00:06:33.73 Dug Yeah. 00:06:36.67 Dug Yeah. 00:06:36.92 Tim And that's how I feel. Once upon a time, I thought Trent Barretta was absolutely going to be a world champion in this company. I'm sad to see that he's jobbing to pretty much everybody now. Yeah. 00:06:46.39 Dug Yeah, 100%. I think, yeah, if you want to go down the path of who is underused and not getting their due, I think Trent Barretta is long overdue to make a solo run or even ah in another tag run with RPG Vice. 00:06:56.47 Tim Yeah. 00:07:01.15 Dug But... 00:07:02.58 Tim I mean, if you go back and watch some of those old, like early dynamites and stuff, which you can do on HBO max, he looked, he looked so much like he was, this dude is going to find his way to the top of the mountain. 00:07:09.59 Dug Right. 00:07:15.99 Tim And i know injuries have been part of it and all that stuff, but. 00:07:16.53 Dug Oh, yeah. 00:07:20.93 Tim Mm-hmm. 00:07:21.56 Dug But, I mean, they, best friends were one of the teams that kept them going through COVID. 00:07:26.70 Tim Mm-hmm. 00:07:27.06 Dug I mean, they looked so good. 00:07:28.22 Tim Mm-hmm. 00:07:29.88 Dug So, yeah. 00:07:30.14 Tim Yeah. Yeah. I, you know, it's a, it's sad to see that, but um I mean, for what it was is fine. I'll say this about the, the Costco guy. I don't even know his name. 00:07:43.45 Dug Big Boom AJ, come on, man. 00:07:44.98 Tim Sure. I'll say this. I think he takes it seriously. Like, I think he's given you the best he's got. I'm actually fairly impressed by it i thought he sold pretty well. I mean, there were a couple spots where like, dude knows how to sell. um 00:07:58.23 Dug Like I said, he it's fine. 00:07:58.68 Tim It is fine. 00:08:00.38 Dug i just... Like can said I said, don't... A spot on a pay-per-view, even the the pre-show, i get it. You want more eyes on the product, so make that happen. 00:08:08.89 Tim ah Yeah. Yeah. 00:08:11.42 Dug But... 00:08:11.54 Tim Yeah. And I think, aren't they from like that area? And so it was probably trying to help sell tickets too. I could be wrong on that, but it's, I don't know the guy's name. 00:08:18.96 Dug Oh, possibly. i 00:08:21.46 Tim I don't know anything about him, but yeah, I'm not going to remember that by the time we finish. 00:08:23.01 Dug It's Big Boom AJ. du 00:08:28.86 Dug I think you've forgotten already. 00:08:28.92 Tim um 00:08:32.22 Tim Steve is his name. 00:08:34.13 Dug Yeah. 00:08:34.26 Tim Steve. 00:08:35.16 Dug Yep. Yep. Steve Boom Boom Steve. 00:08:36.25 Tim Feel like it's Steve. 00:08:37.53 Dug Yes. Boom Steve Boom, I think is what his name is. 00:08:40.95 Tim No, I don't think that's right. I think it's like Steve Romano. Anyway, I don't know where I pulled that from, but whatever. 00:08:44.95 Dug but Okay. 00:08:47.33 Tim That wasn't my best joke. 00:08:47.80 Dug Steve Boom. 00:08:48.77 Tim I'm going to love to tell you that they'll get better. They won't. 00:08:51.45 Dug No, they won't. 00:08:52.98 Tim I think we can spend about as much time on, don't think I didn't catch that by the way, I'll give you a receipt. ah I think we can spend about as much time on Hook and Eddie and the Workhorsemen as the match was, possibly even less. 00:09:05.10 Tim um 00:09:05.63 Dug Right. 00:09:06.81 Tim Did anybody think the Workhorsemen were going to win? 00:09:10.20 Dug Oh, absolutely not. 00:09:11.38 Tim Yeah. i You know, was fine. 00:09:12.02 Dug Absolutely not. The sad thing about it is I want to see more Eddie Kingston. And so that's, that's, uh, that's sad for me, but I, there's nothing about that match that intrigued me other than seeing Eddie back on the screen. 00:09:18.10 Tim ah do too. Yeah. 00:09:21.62 Tim Yeah. 00:09:26.67 Tim No. 00:09:29.91 Tim Yeah, my thought on it was, i think they're giving him these matches to help get him back into ring shape after the injury. 00:09:36.96 Dug Mm-hmm. 00:09:37.11 Tim And that's fine. I totally get that. 00:09:38.30 Dug Yeah. 00:09:38.82 Tim That's fine. That's probably the right thing to do. I do think you're about to see him ramp up. 00:09:45.30 Dug I hope so. 00:09:46.25 Tim We'll talk about that when we get to the main event, which again, i have thoughts. 00:09:47.54 Dug Yes, because yes. Okay. 00:09:51.22 Tim CMLL trios title. I knew it was going to run over. This is going to be the new thing. If you have a problem with it, I'm very sorry to tell you, this is going to be the thing. They're going to have it run over into the start of the show. 00:10:01.81 Dug Mm-hmm. 00:10:01.78 Tim um But what'd you think of the match? 00:10:04.79 Dug Um... I mean, with that amount of talent in the ring, it's all it's it's going to be a really solid match, in my humble opinion. 00:10:13.27 Tim Mm-hmm. 00:10:14.13 Dug I thought it was... i thought the runover was a little surprising. i was like, oh, okay, here we go. 00:10:20.56 Tim That's what it's going to be when they, they did it. if I'm not mistaken, was Russell dream the last pay-per-view they did it for that. 00:10:27.22 Dug I believe so, yeah. 00:10:29.98 Tim And when they did it, I went, he's going to, he's going to keep doing this. This is, this is Tony's new obsession. 00:10:36.43 Dug Yep. 00:10:37.62 Tim I think he gets hyper-focused on stuff. I'm guessing we've met Tony. 00:10:42.26 Dug Yeah. 00:10:42.33 Tim um Some background on us. 00:10:42.47 Dug Yeah. Yep. 00:10:44.89 Tim I'm from Champaign, where Tony Khan is also from, but I didn't meet him until he started AEW, ah even though like we probably know people in common because we're pretty close in age. 00:10:50.36 Dug yeah said 00:10:54.68 Tim um So like we we have ties to Champaign. We got to meet him the first time they brought Dynamite through to Champaign because Doug and I were both working in radio there at the time. 00:11:05.70 Tim Here's my thought on Tony Khan. Like most really smart people, and he is, love him or hate him, he is brilliant. That's obvious. If you spend five minutes with him, you know that. 00:11:17.05 Tim I think like most really, really smart people, I think there's some ADHD there. 00:11:22.94 Dug Oh, I'm pretty sure he's on the spectrum of autism. 00:11:24.86 Tim I think that too. And so I think that he hyper focuses on things and that's where we get a bunch of money matches. 00:11:26.35 Dug 100%. Absolutely, he does. Mm-hmm. 00:11:33.14 Tim It's where he's like, yay, this is fun. Having a run over into the start of the pay-per-view. um Look, I get it. If you're going to have a match run over, it's this one. I mean, it just is. 00:11:44.24 Tim I'll say this, the whole thing of Okada just taking his sweet time. Dude, I laughed. I thought it was funny. 00:11:51.29 Dug I think Okada, who doesn't, they're giving him so much personality for someone who, and it works so well with him in the way that's being portrayed. 00:11:59.74 Tim whom 00:12:02.52 Dug i do feel like they are dragging this collision out between him and Takeshita a little, a little long. 00:12:12.38 Tim I think some of that is related to Takeshita being the IWGP champion. 00:12:17.40 Dug Oh, probably. 00:12:17.69 Tim He's got to go to Japan. 00:12:18.00 Dug got well and 00:12:19.64 Tim You know, he's got to go to Japan and defend. If I'm not mistaken, isn't he? No, Okada is. ah Oh my God. Why am I blanking on his name? um the president of the company who's retiring. 00:12:33.69 Dug Oh, I don't remember either. 00:12:35.54 Tim Tanahashi, right? 00:12:36.41 Dug Yes. Yeah. 00:12:37.30 Tim Yeah. 00:12:37.37 Dug Yeah. yeah 00:12:38.71 Tim You know how sometimes you say something and you're like, no, that's right. Right. You know, it's like when you spell a word and you're like no, that's right. 00:12:45.18 Dug almost every Almost every time I speak, yes. 00:12:45.20 Tim Isn't it Yeah. um but i know okada's his last opponent but i mean look obviously you're gonna have your champion on that card like tokyo dome is not far away like i i get it that's i think part of it but 00:12:55.35 Dug evening 00:12:58.14 Dug Right. Well, now looking at it and looking further down the card, it makes sense why it didn't implode there. 00:13:05.43 Tim mm-hmm yep 00:13:08.44 Dug and we'll get to that. Yeah. 00:13:09.53 Tim Yeah, but overall, I really enjoyed the match. i did I did find it really funny and I'm not, this is gonna sound like I'm knocking him, I'm not. I just thought it was funny that Misty Co comes back and doesn't sell the elbow like at all. what like Like his like second move or third move after coming back is is the handspring elbow, if I recall correctly. And I'm like, shouldn't that have hurt? 00:13:35.83 Tim but 00:13:35.99 Dug Right. Who do you think you are? Goldberg? What are you doing? 00:13:39.86 Tim Yeah, I thought, i know, right? 00:13:40.66 Dug You 00:13:42.36 Tim I thought that was funny, though. I enjoyed it. um 00:13:45.91 Dug should just note Joe noped him and just... 00:13:48.41 Tim Yeah. I thought the other ah the other thing in the match that really made me laugh was when Takeshita turned to Naon and go, I'm not sure if I'm saying his name right, but, and was like, hold on. 00:14:01.14 Tim So he could fight with Okada. So he could turn around and argue with his teammates. 00:14:05.14 Dug yes 00:14:06.23 Tim Look, it's a good match just off talent. 00:14:08.34 Dug you 00:14:08.75 Tim It's a good match just to watch. It's legitimately funny. it is I don't know if they were going for that. It's legitimately funny, though. 00:14:16.15 Dug It's so good. And that, that chemistry between those two, Takeshi and Okada is so weird that it's, it just, it, it works. 00:14:22.52 Tim Mm-hmm. 00:14:24.77 Dug It hits all the dopamine receptors in my brain and I like it. 00:14:27.51 Tim Yeah. 00:14:28.01 Dug I really like it. 00:14:29.34 Tim Yeah, I agree. I'm looking forward to when they finally properly mix it up. I think it's going to be really good. 00:14:35.34 Dug That's, yeah, that's going to be awesome. 00:14:37.53 Tim Now, here's where I don't like the overrun, okay? 00:14:40.86 Dug All right. 00:14:40.89 Tim Because now we get into the quote-unquote proper show and we start with Darby and Pac. It used to be a thing as recent as like, what, two months ago where we would be talking about who's going to open the show because that's what's supposed to set the tone, right? 00:14:54.50 Dug Right. Yeah. Mm-hmm. 00:14:56.76 Tim Suddenly with the overrun, well, now it's who closes the pre-show because that's really what's setting it up and that's where I don't love them doing the overrun. 00:15:01.18 Dug Yeah. 00:15:06.55 Tim Like I said, get used to it. 00:15:07.08 Dug Yeah, 100%. 00:15:07.59 Tim He's going to do it again, but. 00:15:08.76 Dug Right. I mean, if and if you're going to close you know close the the pre-show and do the overrun, that's having Okada and Takeshita in it, I don't know if the other team who actually, well, they're the trio's champion, so it makes sense, but... 00:15:18.74 Tim Yeah. 00:15:26.55 Tim Yeah. Well, and and here's the thing too, that he's another one whose name I struggle remember, but I think it's mascara dorada Dorado Dorado. 00:15:35.70 Dug Sure, sure. 00:15:36.47 Tim um he's the third guy that's not Misiko or Naon, right? 00:15:41.08 Dug Right. 00:15:41.18 Tim He's the one in gold. He has made a name for himself very quickly in AEW with some matches there. Like if you haven't seen it, go watch it. 00:15:48.73 Dug Right. 00:15:50.81 Tim I think that at some point they're going to sign him. And so I think it was also, ah yeah I think it was also a spot to feature him, um which I have no problem with. 00:15:55.06 Dug Oh, probably. 00:16:00.79 Tim I think the dude is crazy talented. Like, 00:16:03.16 Dug Oh, yeah. 00:16:03.99 Tim I don't even remember what it was, but he was in a match. And I was like, well, I mean, he'll they'll do their usual thing where it's not a squash, but it's a squash, right? Like you get the offense in, but then, you know, we know who's winning this. 00:16:14.78 Dug then you're done. 00:16:16.47 Tim I think it was him and Okada actually. And I was blown away by him. Like I was like, this dude is legit. So I think he's going to be all elite sooner rather than later. And I think that played into it as well. 00:16:28.95 Dug Right. 00:16:30.01 Tim But now you get Darby and Pac, which are technically opening the show, but also not. 00:16:34.01 Dug Right. Yes. 00:16:35.51 Tim um I don't know. I thought, i did think it was very funny, again, when Pac broke out the old school bully arm burn on Darby. 00:16:48.57 Dug Oh, yeah. 00:16:52.12 Tim i get why he did it 00:16:52.25 Dug It's just such a it's such a weird thing. It's so fun, though. 00:16:55.51 Tim Yeah, I thought it was funny. 00:16:55.73 Dug It's really cool. 00:16:56.51 Tim Like, I get why he did it, but it was just funny to see, like, I mean, like, my brother and I used to do that to each other, you know? like 00:17:03.51 Dug Oh, yeah. 00:17:04.85 Tim um 00:17:04.98 Dug If you had siblings, you did that or got that done to you all the time. 00:17:06.23 Tim so But other than that, i i had never seen somebody go through the rope sideways in the turnbuckle like Darby did. That was nuts. On the Irish whip? 00:17:17.33 Dug That guy is phenomenal. And the things normally he's phenomenal. 00:17:19.70 Tim Yeah. 00:17:21.90 Dug You normally offensively. Yes, like his offense, but he's one of the few people you could say he's phenomenal the way he takes a bump. And it's like, you've never seen that before. And that is so bonkers. 00:17:31.61 Tim Yeah. I will also say by the time he's 45, he won't be able to walk, but no, he, he going to look a lot like Terry Funk. 00:17:37.40 Dug Oh, no, he won't have any joints that were his when he was born. 00:17:43.82 Tim Like he is. I know. ah That said, um even though it surprised me, this is yet another one that we picked incorrectly. 00:17:54.33 Tim um i think the finish was probably right. Cause they needed to win. The death writers needed a win. 00:17:59.83 Dug See, and that's where I had a hard time picking any Deathriders match because I was like, they weren't, they aren't going to have a clean sweep. I thought they were... I don't want to get too far down the card, but I thought i thought ah Mox was going to pick up the win. 00:18:09.97 Tim It's fine. 00:18:14.74 Tim I did too. 00:18:16.28 Dug So I didn't think pa Pac was going to win. so that's and I thought... 00:18:20.81 Tim Mm-hmm. 00:18:22.81 Dug This whole Darby thing, he needed to prove that he was wrestler-wrestler, which was the point of that match. 00:18:27.35 Tim Mm-hmm. 00:18:28.65 Dug And I thought they were going to give, you know, that was going to come out on top. It didn't. I'm not hating it. I think either one of them could and, you know, your your cases for the him, either one winning or justified. 00:18:40.76 Dug i was just a little bit surprised that Pac won that one. But, i yeah, I'm not hating on it. 00:18:44.06 Tim I was too. Yeah, I was surprised by it too. But like I said, afterwards, I thought, well, that's probably the right move because also if you're going to extend the feud, and I think they are, somebody has to go over Darby. Otherwise, it's like if we're going to do another Darby versus a Deathrider at World's End, which I think we're going 00:19:06.71 Dug Probably. 00:19:07.48 Tim unless he ends up in the continental classic, but i I think we're probably headed for that. At that point I'd be going, well, why am I like, why even watch it? Cause I know Darby is going win. Right. 00:19:17.65 Tim I mean, cause he, that's what he's been doing against them. 00:19:18.49 Dug Yeah. 00:19:20.37 Tim So I think from that perspective, and I think there's a lot of that on this show of their setting up future story. Like this isn't a, we're doing a bunch of blow offs here. 00:19:30.93 Dug 100% yeah 00:19:31.70 Tim So I think that that's why they did it, um which is why i don't I don't hate the finish. It just surprised me. 00:19:38.01 Dug same yeah like I said those two put on a great match they're going to whenever you get them in the ring and I liked the entire thing like I didn't hate it I loved watching those two work and the fact that Pac won all right it makes sense moving forward yeah 100% 00:19:42.10 Tim Yeah. 00:19:50.46 Tim Mm-hmm. And a guy who's also, Pac, by the way, is a guy who's been on the losing end, I think, more often than not. So you need to kind of reestablish his credibility beyond, you know, just how he looks. 00:20:03.38 Dug Right. 00:20:04.47 Tim um Women's four-way tag. Thoughts? 00:20:11.16 Dug I kind of knew the finish, even though I wanted, even though I did not pick the the finish, I wanted, i've really wanted Bain and Shafir to win. 00:20:18.81 Tim Mm-hmm. 00:20:22.52 Dug I thought, I thought that would have been a really good way to establish 00:20:22.58 Tim Yeah. 00:20:30.81 Dug the ah death rider win, but also with the caveat that, well, it wasn't a pure death rider win because you had Megan Bain. So I feel like that team has some legs. Maybe it is a little too early to pull the trigger on that one. And that's fine. 00:20:43.16 Dug um If it wasn't going to be them, of course it was going to be the, I can't thank you. 00:20:47.64 Tim Yeah, the timeless love bombs. 00:20:49.58 Dug I couldn't remember the name off up my head. 00:20:50.10 Tim Yeah. Yeah. 00:20:51.70 Dug Yeah. That's timeless. ah Of course it was going to be them. So that being said, you know, I, Yeah. Yeah. 00:21:01.59 Tim Yeah, I get that. i i Here's what I'll say about it. um As I watched that, I wasn't surprised by that, by them going over. 00:21:13.50 Dug listen 00:21:13.53 Tim And I think, I think that you have a difficult time having somebody go over Tony Storm. ah You just, you just do. 00:21:22.58 Dug Yeah. 00:21:23.90 Tim Um, she's the biggest, she's certainly the biggest female star. I would argue she's, if not the biggest in the company, and she's top three, you know, she's right up there with mocks and hang man and whoever else you want to put up there. I mean, she's, she is a massive draw for them and she should be the work she's been doing has been incredible. 00:21:44.60 Tim Um, 00:21:45.85 Dug Because if they don't win, then what do you do? I thought... 00:21:49.40 Tim well, in go ahead. 00:21:51.19 Dug I was just going to say, i thought they weren't going to have Tony eat the pin and still have the Megasys and Shafir win. 00:21:54.62 Tim Yeah. 00:21:58.87 Tim Yeah. 00:21:59.54 Dug and that way you can still keep that fire moving forward. But it makes sense to to have Tony Storm go over 100%. 00:22:03.38 Tim Yeah. 00:22:06.88 Dug Hmm. 00:22:07.29 Tim Yeah, I agree. I mean, and and I think that that was why i thought they would not factor into the finish at all. And, you know, with it being a four way and I know there's the there was a stake to it the stipulation of you to pick the stipulation for your match or whatever. 00:22:23.31 Tim That's why I thought it was going to go to somebody else. But i don't I don't have a problem with it. To me, I think what this match illustrated was when I went to pick it, i was like, well, I can make a case for all four of them. 00:22:35.10 Dug Oh, yeah. 00:22:35.77 Tim And with this whole women's tag team tournament, what I have really enjoyed about it beyond just the actual matches is when they first put the bracket out, I could make a case for every single team on why they would win. 00:22:51.13 Tim Now, obviously, there were some that were more likely than others. Like, I like TyJ. 00:22:54.43 Dug Right. 00:22:55.25 Tim I didn't think they were coming out of it. 00:22:57.59 Dug No. 00:22:58.23 Tim But you can make a case because they were the two that had been tagging together the longest, right? 00:23:00.17 Dug Yep. 00:23:02.67 Tim So, I mean, i could have made a case for every team in the tournament. 00:23:02.74 Dug means Yep. 00:23:06.28 Tim I think they've done a really, really good job with this. I do. 00:23:10.20 Dug Oh, yeah. 00:23:11.19 Tim and And what I like, well, I was going to say what I like is you've got to remember too, whoever wins it needs at least one challenger, but really needs multiple. 00:23:11.45 Dug Especially, I mean, yeah, go ahead. 00:23:22.29 Dug Mm-hmm. 00:23:22.94 Tim And you're going to have at least three teams that don't win that are going to come out of this going, well, they're, I mean, any of them could be the first challenge, right? 00:23:33.05 Dug Yep. Yep. Especially coming out of Blood and Guts, the Sisters of Sin, their their credibility went way up, way up. 00:23:39.27 Tim Mm-hmm. 00:23:42.89 Tim Mm-hmm. 00:23:43.87 Dug And you can tell that's why they started you know with Sky Blue in that match and just you went gangbusters. 00:23:48.89 Tim Yeah. 00:23:50.26 Dug And now, yeah, suddenly that team is like, okay, 00:23:54.10 Tim Yeah. 00:23:54.20 Dug you could make that case. 00:23:56.06 Tim Mm-hmm. 00:23:56.43 Dug And like you said, they've just done a really good job of building building that framework, which is something they really needed to do. So I was very happy with that. 00:24:03.00 Tim Yes. 00:24:05.21 Dug And again, seeing I get why Tony Storm, the Timeless Love Bombs went over, but it would be interesting to have seen one of the other ones pick the stipulation, you know, and maybe be put the Timeless Love Bombs in a corner for something. 00:24:16.31 Tim I agree. I agree. 00:24:20.77 Tim Uh-huh. 00:24:20.95 Dug But again, not hating it, because like you said, anyone could have won that and I wouldn't have hated any of that outcome. 00:24:21.69 Tim I agree. 00:24:26.18 Tim Yeah. Yeah. No, I, I agree with you. I, I, I did not, they were probably actually third. If I were going to list of the four who I thought like in order who I thought was going to win it. 00:24:37.34 Dug right right yeah 00:24:38.78 Tim Cause like I said, I just didn't think they would factor into the finish. um But you know, I, I don't have a problem with it. I'm sure we'll talk more about it when we get to the final, but right now, who would you pick to be the first champs? 00:24:54.03 Dug oh it is so hard 00:24:55.06 Tim That's tough, right? 00:25:02.62 Dug I think I'm still going with Megan Bain and Shafir. 00:25:06.14 Tim Yeah. 00:25:06.26 Dug I really do. i like that team together. 00:25:07.51 Tim Yeah. 00:25:10.33 Dug think it gives, I think they're probably in a lot of people's mind, the least likely because they've teamed the least amount together. And I think it gives a lot of fuel to the chase, having the heel, having a heel team win number one and number two, having that team in particular in that way, you could see and a really interesting, you know, okay, then now what happens with sisters of sin, are they going to take that lying down? 00:25:27.16 Tim Yes. 00:25:35.10 Dug They shouldn't. And that, that pairing and matchup moving forward. And Tony's always going to be, she's always going to be a center of attention and, 00:25:43.26 Tim Yeah. Yeah. She's always going to be around a title. Yeah. 00:25:47.38 Dug And she has gotten to that point in a weird way, like Moxley doesn't need a title to carry the weight. 00:25:53.36 Tim Mm-mm. 00:25:54.90 Dug So this could put, I think, Megan Bain and Tony Shafir or Maria Shafir into into a a really neat position and being the first. But then again, it'd be the first. So it's hard to say Tony Storm shouldn't be the first. 00:26:13.05 Tim Yeah. So here's where I've been at it or been at, um, the whole time. My head says it's going to be Tony storm and Mina Shirakawa, because I think exactly what you said there. 00:26:22.44 Dug Yeah. 00:26:25.28 Tim I think putting it on Tony storm gives the belts instant credibility. 00:26:30.02 Dug Mm-hmm. 00:26:30.81 Tim I just, it does. Um, my heart says Willow and Harley. I, 00:26:38.36 Dug Oh, 100%, yeah. Yeah. 00:26:39.64 Tim I love them together. i just i just dig the energy that they bring to the arena. I would love it if it were them. I don't think it's going to be, but if they end up the inaugural tag team champions, rest assured, I will pop. 00:26:50.71 Dug yeah 00:26:55.83 Dug Oh, absolutely. 00:26:55.83 Tim i will I will pop hard on my couch for that. that that'll That'll make me very happy. 00:27:00.98 Dug I don't know if you should ever repeat the phrase pop hard on my couch, but yeah, me too. 00:27:03.70 Tim Yeah, I heard it. I heard it. i was I hoped we could gloss over it, but yeah, I heard it. 00:27:09.48 Dug That's why I'm here, my friend. But here's my big question about the the tag titles in particular. 00:27:17.43 Dug Again, you and I have met Tony Khan. He has a habit of not, of of passing those belts around. 00:27:19.63 Tim Mm-hmm. 00:27:25.28 Tim Uh-huh. 00:27:25.94 Dug pretty frequently. 00:27:27.19 Tim Yeah. 00:27:27.45 Dug i i would love to see whoever wins the women's tag belts keep those belts for a nice long run. I mean, a full year minimum. 00:27:38.97 Dug I would love to see that. Cement those belts, make that a thing so that when it does change hands, it's significant and means something. 00:27:41.88 Tim Yeah. 00:27:48.28 Tim Yeah. I think it needs to be a minimum six month run for whoever wins first. 00:27:48.95 Dug um 00:27:52.18 Dug at At least. At least. 00:27:53.78 Tim Yeah. 00:27:54.10 Dug I don't want to see... it popcorned around between that, those four teams, because to me, then that just diminishes that. 00:27:59.78 Tim Yeah. 00:28:01.16 Dug 100%. 00:28:01.69 Tim Well, and and the other thing too, is you're going to get other teams back in it, right? You're going to get some of the folks that lost are going to get back in the picture. 00:28:10.20 Dug um one hundred percent 00:28:11.58 Tim So you're going to have those challengers as well. I think it would be very interesting, and I don't know. i i doubt they're going to go back to it, but I think it would be interesting to bring back the team of Mercedes and Athena. 00:28:24.90 Dug Oh. 00:28:25.56 Tim I think that would be very interesting. That surprised me when they lost. I think that would be interesting to re-team them. the The thing with Megan Bain, just going back to you talking about her, the only reason that I don't go with them as winning is I don't know how long you can keep her away from either the TBS or the women's title. 00:28:46.55 Tim I really don't. i I think, you know, I know she did a program at Tony very quickly. I thought it was a little early, but I understood why they did it when Tony had the belt. 00:28:53.91 Dug Yep. 00:28:55.93 Tim I don't know how much longer you keep her out of those pictures. And by the way, I think she should win whenever she challenges. I think she should win. 00:29:03.93 Dug I agree. 00:29:04.09 Tim And I think, i think her and Statlander, that could be, that could be something. 00:29:08.76 Dug Yeah. Yeah. That could, that's, that's money right there. 00:29:10.34 Tim Um, 00:29:12.60 Tim So anywho. Oh, and by the way, going back to popping on your couch, there are those who do it and then there are those who lie. That's all I'm saying. 00:29:19.96 Dug I just said, you shouldn't say that sentence. I didn't say anything about else. 00:29:22.62 Tim Now I'm going to say it even harder. 00:29:25.21 Dug first 00:29:26.71 Tim Again, Bluetooth. 00:29:29.59 Dug If you want to pop on your couch harder, Bluetooth. 00:29:33.20 Tim I'm 43 and I don't pouch I don't pop on my couch or pouch as hard as I used to. That's it. It's pouching now. That's the thing. 00:29:40.25 Dug yes And guys, it happens to everybody. 00:29:42.78 Tim It does. 00:29:42.89 Dug There's no shame in it. 00:29:43.64 Tim It does. Nah, you're tired. 00:29:44.83 Dug No shame. Yeah. 00:29:47.10 Tim You don't have hair anymore. 00:29:49.13 Dug Yeah. 00:29:49.91 Tim It happens. 00:29:50.14 Dug Wait a minute. Wait a minute. There's a reason I'm leaking my hat on 00:29:52.28 Tim Actually, I'm not far away from a high school picture where you can see the glorious head of hair he used to have. But anyway, I'm not going to get it but it's to my right. 00:30:03.03 Tim ah Brodito and FTR. 00:30:03.38 Dug never 00:30:07.96 Dug I picked Brodito again. 00:30:09.46 Tim I did too. 00:30:10.25 Dug One of the reaths yes one of the reasons I picked ah Brodito is because I wanted that those titles to stick around longer. 00:30:10.36 Tim Actually, no, I didn't. This is one I got right. I picked FTR. 00:30:20.07 Dug And I really like them. 00:30:20.62 Tim Mm-hmm. 00:30:21.63 Dug And my fear is now that Brodito is not holding the belts, I'm Those two are going to fade into the background, and I don't think that's fair for them. Again, I think FTR is a team that doesn't need the belts to be re relevant, and not that Brodito does, but they weren't really that relevant. 00:30:40.86 Dug They came close a few times here and there, but they weren't relevant until, or as relevant until they got the belts. So my heart was picking Brodito for that reason. i thought the match was really solid. Of course, you were going to have their manager get in Stokely, get in the in mix. And by the way, holy cow, did... did ah Why can't I think of Brody King? Brody King... 00:31:10.84 Dug who who Who missed the the catch? 00:31:11.14 Tim Oh. 00:31:14.01 Dug because I think it was Stokely, right? Someone was not there for him. 00:31:17.70 Tim Someone missed. Yeah. 00:31:19.03 Dug So, and I saw that and went, oh, oh, oh. 00:31:20.22 Tim Yeah. 00:31:23.32 Dug oh And even Excalibur was like, he didn't get all of them. 00:31:23.90 Tim and 00:31:26.20 Dug No, he got none of them, my friend. 00:31:26.52 Tim No. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Some, some went wrong there, but here, you know, here's the thing. 00:31:32.02 Dug Yeah. 00:31:33.98 Tim um i agree with you. My heart wanted Brodito cause I think they've been fun together. 00:31:39.51 Dug yeah 00:31:39.58 Tim My head, obviously, cause I picked them said FTR. It felt a little bit inevitable to me. It felt a little bit like it, I sort of wonder if part of it isn't to help reestablish the belts. And it's not to say that Brodito or anybody else that's held them recently did anything to diminish them. 00:31:58.30 Dug Right. 00:31:58.33 Tim The problem with the tag team belts, and this is true of a lot of championships in both AEW and w WWE, and I would imagine it's probably true in New Japan and CMLL and keep on going, 00:32:09.98 Tim They fade into the background because there's too many and there's too many guys and there's too many women and it's too deep of a roster and and you can't get everybody on TV. 00:32:11.83 Dug Oh, yeah. Yes. 00:32:19.29 Tim The tag belts have felt fairly irrelevant for a long time. I think putting it on FTR is an opportunity to change that. 00:32:30.30 Dug Right. 00:32:30.33 Tim um And I think that's what they're going with. 00:32:33.78 Dug That makes sense. 00:32:33.94 Tim I'll be, key I'll be curious to see who the first challenger is. 00:32:34.47 Dug 100. 00:32:37.52 Tim I think they should run it back with Brodito. I don't know if they will, but I think they should. 00:32:40.12 Dug one hundred Yeah, they should. And that all that being said, at least Brodito went out on a high note. I think you could not have made Bandito look stronger. 00:32:48.50 Tim Yeah. 00:32:51.48 Tim Yeah. 00:32:52.25 Dug Brody always looks like a monster, and he and he's looks great in the ring. And I think this has showcased what he can do and has just given him more opportunities to to show a ah more variety to his to what he how he can work. 00:33:05.53 Dug And I liked Yeah. Like you said, my heart just, my heart won over my head on this one. And so, but having FDR have the titles again, now anyone can come at them it does elevate. 00:33:11.17 Tim Yeah. 00:33:19.41 Tim Yeah. 00:33:19.94 Dug I didn't think about the elevation aspect, but you're right. It really does help elevate those titles just, and I think it will continue to rise with them on. 00:33:22.74 Tim i 00:33:26.97 Tim I think so too. I think so too. Cause the one thing they don't struggle to do is get FTR on TV. And, and, and, and here's the thing. 00:33:33.18 Dug That is absolutely true. 00:33:35.04 Tim That's not a criticism. They should be on TV. 00:33:36.70 Dug No. 00:33:38.86 Tim They're a draw. Um, they, they all, they have been since they showed up, you know? 00:33:44.09 Dug What are the odds that um Adam Copeland and Christian are going to be the first challengers in the surprise comeback? 00:33:49.46 Tim So I had that thought. I had that thought that that's why I'll be interested to see who the first challengers are. Cause it just might be them. 00:33:58.33 Dug I think it, and knowing how, seeing how Tony has booked, it seems like on dynamite, we're going to get an FTR spot. They're going to do the thing. And they're like, we beat everybody, yada, yada, yada. 00:34:10.49 Dug And all sudden lights dim music hits, bang, bang, boom, out they come. 00:34:10.47 Tim Mm hmm. 00:34:14.21 Dug And I think that I, even if I'm looking, even if I'm predicting it, I would, uh, what is it? 00:34:14.55 Tim Yeah. 00:34:20.23 Dug I would still pouch. Is that what we're calling it now? 00:34:22.36 Tim ah Sure. 00:34:23.50 Dug pouching you need to start that if you're if you're at all gonna use x just hashtag pouch and we'll know what you mean yep 00:34:24.09 Tim Yeah. 00:34:30.08 Tim Yep. Yeah. Really, you can do that on all social media platforms. Also. Good God, blue chew. It's just, it's the it the deal's right here for you. 00:34:40.92 Dug come on it's right there technically it's right there but yeah 00:34:42.27 Tim I mean, it's right there. 00:34:46.78 Tim Yeah. Anyway, um given your point of Brodito going out on a high note, I wrote down this possible match of the night for me. They were that good. 00:34:56.28 Dug So good. So good. 00:34:57.75 Tim They were that good. Really enjoyed it. 00:34:59.48 Dug how much did you that How much did you like the single arm gorilla press that Bandito pulled off? 00:35:05.36 Tim That was really impressive. That was really good. 00:35:06.97 Dug It is so fun that they give him the a lot of the strength spots. 00:35:10.74 Tim Yeah. 00:35:11.45 Dug When you've got Brody King in your coin, it's so fun. 00:35:11.51 Tim Yeah. 00:35:14.62 Dug They're so good to watch, like i said. 00:35:15.70 Tim Yeah. 00:35:16.10 Dug Yeah, they that was a great match. 00:35:17.94 Tim yeah I'm not sure that we're finished with them as a team. I hope we're not. 00:35:22.01 Dug I hope we're not either. Mm-hmm. 00:35:23.48 Tim But we'll see. We'll see. All right. Then the casino gauntlet match. So here is something that I found interesting. So I i have thought i like the casino gauntlet match. I like the concept of it. 00:35:34.48 Tim I've liked it from the jump. 00:35:36.20 Dug Yeah. Yeah. 00:35:37.66 Tim I was thinking about this a lot during the week ah leading up to it of, you know, they always play up. You gotta be number one or number two, because there's otherwise no guarantee you're getting in the match. Right. 00:35:50.14 Tim But what we have not seen is somebody then say, I was supposed to be in it. I got robbed. I want my shot. Right. 00:35:58.30 Dug yeah yeah 00:35:58.90 Tim And I think what I would like to see them do going forward to play up the stakes is give us the Royal Rumble graphic, right? 00:36:07.00 Dug Yeah. 00:36:07.36 Tim Here's everybody that's going to be in the match. Will they all get in? And you've got to have like you gotta have like five of them not get in. 00:36:14.84 Dug Right. 00:36:14.87 Tim And then the other thing I thought was, wouldn't it be interesting if it ended while someone is still on the ramp making their way to the ring? And they almost did it last night. 00:36:24.92 Dug Oh, yes. 00:36:27.13 Tim They almost did that. Because, and I thought it made so much sense because the Death Riders take so damn long to get to the ring, coming through the crowd. 00:36:34.87 Dug Mm-hmm. 00:36:35.30 Tim I mean I loved Brian's line of, well, it doesn't surprise me that you have taken his time because he's an idiot, but you know, you should be running to the ring and he's right. Like if the whole concept is this can end at any moment, you should be busting ass to get to that ring. 00:36:47.59 Dug yeah 00:36:50.33 Tim And they almost did it. They flirted with it. I think the next time they do it, they got to pull the trigger and it's got to end. while Like while somebody's stepping through the ropes, you know, because right now that sense of urgency really isn't there beyond Excalibur telling us that it's there. 00:37:02.97 Dug no right 00:37:05.85 Tim And I'd like to see them do that. 00:37:08.15 Dug Yeah. and like you said, Excalibur even said, we have no idea ah who else should have been in there. 00:37:13.06 Tim Mm hmm. Mm hmm. 00:37:14.34 Dug It's like, don't you think that's a problem? We should know who else should have been in there. 00:37:17.46 Tim Yeah, I think you should tell us. Yeah, I think you should tell us. And and I get it that they like to sneak the surprise returns in there. I get that. But I think what you could do is, you know, you could do like, remember the original concept of it was it was a deck of cards, right? 00:37:35.81 Tim You remember that at that very first double or nothing that we were at, by the way? 00:37:35.88 Dug Yeah. Yep. 00:37:39.34 Dug Yes, we were. 00:37:40.15 Tim You remember that it was, you know, here's the king of spades and let's find out who it is. You could go back to that. 00:37:47.21 Dug wasn't it like five people would come at a time? 00:37:47.22 Tim right oh you're right yeah i don't want to do that but yeah yeah you're right you're right i i don't think you do i don't think you do that part of it but if you're going to call it a casino gauntlet match what was casino-y other than 00:37:51.38 Dug It was whoever the the the eight the the hearts are and the spades are. It was like you get it you would get a cluster. 00:38:06.42 Tim luck of the draw, if you get in, i guess. I don't, you know, and the random intervals too, I don't love. 00:38:08.54 Dug Okay. Yeah. 00:38:10.82 Tim I would pick a time, but that's knitpi that's k nitpicky. I admit that's nitpicky. But I think that if you went back to the card deck concept of it, of, you know, we're at least doing the face cards and then like the two jokers, right? 00:38:27.58 Tim Well, now we know now we know how many people are supposed to get in and you don't necessarily have to tell us because then the jokers could also be your surprises, right? 00:38:27.67 Dug okay Yeah. Mm-hmm. 00:38:36.31 Tim Like you could still do the graphic. of, you know, Lashley's the king of hearts and Ricochet's the ace of spades, whatever. And the two jokers are question marks. And that's where you can do like the MJF return if they had gone with that last night or whatever. 00:38:49.34 Dug right 00:38:50.81 Tim Right. So I think you could work around it. i think you could still do your surprise returns. I just think that if you show us a little bit more of these are the people that got screwed 00:39:04.06 Dug Yes. 00:39:04.79 Tim you know, or that didn't get in. i think, and I think it gives you more storyline. It gives you a lot more story opportunity there, you know, because let's be real. 00:39:11.67 Dug Absolutely. 00:39:13.66 Tim Who do you think Ricochet is going to defend against first? Is going to be Bobby Lashley, right? 00:39:18.11 Dug Ace Austin? Oh, Bobby Lashley. 00:39:19.46 Tim Like, i mean, it's going to be Bobby Lashley, right? 00:39:22.62 Dug No, you're probably right on that. idea yeah yeah 00:39:25.08 Tim So i did too. 00:39:25.85 Dug I thought Lashley was going to win it, but it makes so much more sense to have to have Ricochet win. so 00:39:32.82 Tim Yeah. i Well, I'll be honest with you. I just i was surprised he won. I legitimately was. But that said, that it I don't think it's a bad thing. 00:39:39.26 Dug I was shocked too. No. 00:39:42.65 Dug no 00:39:43.16 Tim They got to do something with him. 00:39:45.02 Dug What is, i can't think the guy's name. His last name is Knight. um He teams with Speedball Mike Bailey. 00:39:50.97 Tim Oh, Kevin Knight. 00:39:52.28 Dug Kevin Knight. 00:39:53.12 Tim Mm-hmm. 00:39:54.14 Dug His clothesline from the ramp may have been the the move of the night for me because i i pouched. 00:40:01.20 Tim Mm-hmm. 00:40:03.02 Dug I was like, oh, that was so looked so devastating. 00:40:04.50 Tim Yeah. 00:40:08.33 Dug And it was so... Because they're showing him run, and then they switch cameras, and you don't see him, and then he just comes... It was so good. That dude, i am I liked him a lot. 00:40:16.31 Tim It was insane. 00:40:19.42 Dug I thought highlighting him... 00:40:20.47 Tim Yeah. 00:40:22.04 Dug He looked strong at the very beginning. And of course that's, that's what happens. 00:40:24.34 Tim Yeah. 00:40:25.20 Dug But I liked Kevin Knight. I think Kevin Knight is one of those guys to keep your eye on. 00:40:28.08 Tim Yeah. 00:40:30.37 Dug Cause he's, Ooh, he was so good in that match. I thought so. 00:40:34.10 Tim Yeah, I thought that was a big star making turn for him. The spot to where a speedball through that straight kick and he legit matrixed. 00:40:42.68 Dug Yes. 00:40:42.65 Tim Go back and watch that. He did. If I recall correctly, he didn't put his hand down. 00:40:47.41 Dug Nope. 00:40:47.96 Tim That is insane core strength to to freeze like that. 00:40:48.28 Dug He did not. Yes. can we Can we go down a slight little altered path and talk about speedball Mike Bailey a minute? 00:40:55.58 Tim Yeah. 00:40:59.80 Tim sure 00:41:00.47 Dug What are your thoughts on speedball Mike Bailey? 00:41:04.40 Tim Speedball Mike Bailey, in my mind, is a mid-card to upper mid-carder. I think that he is a guy who at some point may get a small run with like the national title maybe the continental title, because i you know he strikes me as a guy that could credibly win the continental classic if they do, if he were in it. 00:41:11.55 Dug you. 00:41:27.43 Dug Depends on who else is in it, but... 00:41:27.64 Tim I, it does depend on who else is in it. Like this year, no, this year. 00:41:31.64 Dug No. 00:41:32.64 Tim No, but you know, like you think back to that first one when it was Eddie before, you know, when it it was a beat up Eddie and like you had Mark Briscoe and Jay lethal. 00:41:33.54 Dug No. 00:41:43.41 Tim And like, it was a lot of these guys that they weren't doing a ton with at that point. 00:41:47.85 Dug Right. Mm-hmm. 00:41:48.63 Tim I, I, if you had a field like that, I could see it. Um, I think he and Kevin Knight would be good, fun tag champs for a couple of months. 00:42:00.54 Tim I don't see, I think that's his ceiling though. I don't see a lot more beyond that for him. I think he's fun. i think he can make people look good. um But I don't see a lot more from them that. Also, I never understand how people wrestle barefoot. I, I don't know how you do that. 00:42:16.49 Dug There's just something about, like, i don't know what it is. 00:42:18.90 Tim Mm-hmm. 00:42:21.04 Dug It's not, his character isn't working for me 100%. It's not taking anything away from what he's doing in the ring. There's something about the combination of all of it, for me personally, just isn't working. 00:42:33.14 Dug um But that's all. 00:42:34.62 Tim Well, I think, yeah, no, I get that because I think, um, like, as you said that it popped in my head of, can you tell me what his character is? Cause I can't, I don't have a defining, like, this is who this guy is supposed to be. 00:42:44.49 Dug No. 00:42:49.72 Tim This is what he stands for. You know like he's, he's a good guy and that's about it. 00:42:56.37 Dug He's Ralph Macchio in his prime in Karate Kid that we didn't get to see. 00:43:00.25 Tim he is yes he is yeah he is and i here's the thing i like the guy i but i you know but it yeah but i think about this a lot um with aew of especially like recently as we just continue to tangent here a bit but that's okay um 00:43:01.81 Dug That's what he is. That's his character. And, meh. Yeah. I like watching him work. 00:43:22.68 Tim you know, with with Jericho being in the headlines a lot lately and how it looks like he's probably done and probably headed back to WWE, wwe which is fine. 00:43:30.01 Dug Right. 00:43:31.24 Tim Because I think about it a lot in terms of, When they're not there, do I notice? Do I miss them? Right? 00:43:39.38 Dug Right. 00:43:40.21 Tim Like, you know, I'm not trying to pick on Wardlow. 00:43:40.29 Dug Mm-hmm. 00:43:43.25 Tim Wardlow's a guy who's missed a lot of time. And that sucks because a lot of it's been for injury and I hate seeing that. 00:43:45.95 Dug Yep. 00:43:49.16 Tim And I do think Wardlow is a guy who could be something. 00:43:53.72 Dug Right. 00:43:53.85 Tim But when he's not there, I don't miss him. 00:43:56.38 Dug No. 00:43:57.05 Tim The absence of MJF, the absence of Swerve, the absence of Will Ospreay, I feel. I noticed that. 00:44:03.48 Dug Oh, yeah. 100%. Yeah. 00:44:05.37 Tim that hangman is that way. Kenny Omega is that way. I think if Don Callis goes away for a while, you'll notice that because in my mind, Don Callis, I'm, I don't think this is all that hot of a take. 00:44:08.87 Dug Yep. 00:44:17.23 Tim Don Callis is the best heel manager in professional wrestling right now. 00:44:21.59 Dug Absolutely. 00:44:21.72 Tim I think he has eclipsed Paul Heyman. I do. 00:44:24.60 Dug Okay. Okay. 00:44:25.21 Tim I love Paul Heyman. I think Paul Heyman is brilliant. I think Don Callis right now is better. Not by a lot, but I think he's better. 00:44:32.85 Dug That's fair. That's fair. Yeah. 00:44:35.77 Tim And I think that, you know, those are guys, I think Kyle Fletcher has worked himself into a point where whenever he goes away for time off or whatever, you're going to notice it. 00:44:46.58 Tim I think if, if speedball, Mike Bailey goes away, whenever he came back and be like, Oh yeah, forgot about you. 00:44:46.97 Dug Yeah. 00:44:52.11 Dug Right. and i get And that's okay. 00:44:55.29 Tim Yeah. 00:44:55.54 Dug But of those two, i would rather see... They've been focusing... Speedball Mike Bailey has gotten a lot of solo shots. I would rather see the the spotlight shift to Kevin Knight, personally. 00:45:03.52 Tim Yeah. Yeah. Well, I think maybe you're gonna after last night. That was, and if you, if you're going to keep that belt on Ricochet, and I think you should, going to be hard to justify him going over Lashley, but I think you should. 00:45:08.41 Dug I hope so. 00:45:17.52 Dug Mm-hmm. 00:45:17.62 Tim Well, it's not, he'll cheat and that's fine. 00:45:19.51 Dug Oh, yeah, 100%. Yeah. 00:45:21.46 Tim I think you got to pair those guys up. Those two doing the things that they do. Holy shit, dude. 00:45:28.09 Dug Yeah, that's, yeah. I haven't thought about putting them together until right now, and that I may have pouched just a little bit. 00:45:34.68 Tim the, the, for real, man, the way that Ricochet bumps and the, the stuff that Kevin Knight was doing, hook it to my veins. 00:45:42.42 Dug Yeah, because Kevin Knight is a younger ricochet right now, and 00:45:46.20 Tim Yeah, he is. I mean, hook that right to my veins, get him, ah get him a manager though, because man, all due respect, Ricochet. 00:45:49.65 Dug yep. 00:45:56.12 Tim Every time he talks, I think to myself, the best thing WWE wwe did was not let him on the mic. 00:46:01.68 Dug That's fair. Although when we get to his. 00:46:03.02 Tim He's gotten better, but, 00:46:05.53 Dug Wait, he was in this man. What, what match are we talking about? I forget. 00:46:09.18 Tim We were still on the gauntlet match. 00:46:09.40 Dug He wasn't. it Oh, that he won. 00:46:11.16 Tim talking about Ricochet? Yeah, Ricochet won it. 00:46:12.50 Dug Yes. I'm sorry. i thought I got so on a tangent. I forgot what match we were talking about. His mic skills aren't great, but I popped so hard when, yeah, i said that now too. 00:46:18.01 Tim Yeah. No. 00:46:23.43 Tim That's fine. 00:46:23.51 Dug I pouched because when he came down and he did the big boom AJ thing with the microphone to the skull, I didn't know what he was doing at first. 00:46:29.34 Tim That was funny. 00:46:33.10 Dug I was like, what do you? And then I was like, five booms. 00:46:35.74 Tim Yeah, that was funny. 00:46:36.15 Dug was okay, that's hard. 00:46:37.51 Tim That was funny. And that that's what I mean of he's gotten better. He's doing more stuff like that. 00:46:41.53 Dug Yes. 00:46:41.98 Tim um Some of those early promos, though, are. who yeesh 00:46:46.26 Dug Yeah, they're a little rough. 00:46:48.31 Tim And he still has some where I'm like, OK, this is this has gone too long. 00:46:48.41 Dug little miserable leave give him someone goofy like Stokely something yes he's so fun yes 00:46:53.37 Tim Are you sure you don't want him in the herd syndicate and have MVP talk for him? Are we sure we don't want that? Yeah. 00:47:01.97 Tim is Stoke would actually make a lot of sense with him. And Stokely is right up there in those heel managers too. He is wildly entertaining, but moving on. 00:47:14.52 Dug yes 00:47:14.90 Tim ah We talked, we kind of alluded to it earlier, but this brings us to Moxley and Kyle O'Reilly. um I thought, you know, I'll be honest. I don't know why i didn't think it would be as bloody as it was given who's involved. 00:47:31.35 Dug Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. 00:47:31.54 Tim Uh, I just didn't, but here we are. 00:47:31.65 Dug Yeah. listen 00:47:34.02 Tim I don't have a problem with it. I just didn't. Um, I thought it was a really strong match. I look, I have been, ah this is, I'm not gonna lie to you. This is part of why I wanted to get this podcast going. I have been very hard on Jon Moxley for over a year now. 00:47:49.75 Tim I have a lot of thoughts about the death writers. Whenever that finally comes to an end, we should probably do a special episode about it. Cause I got a lot of thoughts on it. 00:48:00.41 Dug Not a problem. I get it. 00:48:01.21 Tim I don't think, I don't think it worked. I don't think it's working. And I think there's a lot of reasons why I have to give Mox his respect here. 00:48:06.74 Dug Yep. 00:48:10.54 Tim He has made, he's made a lot of people look good, particularly recently, but he's made a lot of people look good over the death rider run. 00:48:14.54 Dug Mm-hmm. 00:48:19.16 Tim um Especially that towards the end of it, like ah he made hang man look like a million bucks. Not that hang man needs it, but he did it anyway. 00:48:26.39 Dug Right. 00:48:26.81 Tim um he has made Kyle O'Reilly, who is a guy that so much in my mind had become an afterthought for AEW. God, he's made him look good these last you know couple months. 00:48:40.22 Dug Yeah. and Well, even my in my predictions, I picked Mox because, no offense to Kyle O'Reilly, I just didn't see him as to me, up until that point, he hadn't been painted. 00:48:41.08 Tim Big, big kudos to him on that. 00:48:53.16 Dug Yeah, I know, he tapped out Mox, but it just... 00:48:55.33 Tim Mm-hmm. 00:48:57.69 Dug and maybe it's a problem with my brain, but it just wasn't clicking. And I thought Kyle looked better than he has in a long time. I still don't see him, even though he tapped him out for a third, third time, third time. 00:49:05.21 Tim he 00:49:10.55 Tim Yeah. 00:49:12.98 Dug It's hard to see him on the level of Moxley in my head bit. 00:49:16.18 Tim I agree. 00:49:17.89 Dug But in part of that is because Moxley was there from boom. 00:49:17.98 Tim i agree. 00:49:21.09 Dug You know, we were there when he walked in the arena and, 00:49:22.01 Tim Well, and right. But you're also talking about a guy who's, I believe, a four-time world champion in that company and a guy who, you know, you like you had talked about before, 00:49:28.41 Dug True. True. 00:49:34.14 Tim I think another thing Mox doesn't get credit for is how he helped carry them through the pandemic. 00:49:39.10 Dug Yep. 00:49:39.80 Tim um 00:49:40.24 Dug Yeah. 00:49:41.69 Tim But I agree with you. I don't see Kyle O'Reilly on the same level as Jon Moxley, but I'll give him kudos for trying to elevate O'Reilly to at least a higher spot. 00:49:53.53 Tim I don't i don't know that he can get him to the same kind of level Mox is at, but i think you at least have created a pathway there, you know, 00:49:54.71 Dug Right. 00:49:57.91 Dug Right. 00:50:01.99 Dug Mm-hmm. 00:50:04.70 Tim But I thought it was a really good match. I thought it was very strong. um i was I picked Mox as well, if I recall correctly. So I was surprised that he that he did that he did the job. 00:50:17.82 Tim um I do think, though, it plays into... you know there's kind of a theme that developed on, on the full gear card where I think there's a legitimate question for both the death writers and the Don Callis family of where are you guys going? 00:50:38.26 Tim And, and I mean that in a kayfabe sense of where are you guys going? Cause y'all lost a lot. 00:50:43.38 Dug Yeah. 00:50:44.47 Tim And 00:50:44.57 Dug I think the Don Callis storyline makes more co has more cohesive sense going forward. 00:50:50.74 Tim Yeah. 00:50:52.92 Dug Death Rider, and I thought even the post-match beatdown wasn't big enough to make it significant. 00:50:58.42 Tim i i agree i agree here here's what i think 00:51:01.46 Dug although Although his arm, that cut on the back of his arm, I think he may have a legit issue going down, and I hope the best for Kyle, but... 00:51:07.32 Tim i i think he does yeah that looked pretty gnarly um my thought with the death rider thing is i think we actually may be nearing the end of it because you now have 00:51:09.43 Dug oh 00:51:21.34 Tim John, ma John Moxley is like your dude, right? Like this is your, you know, he's Michael Jordan. You're the rest of the bulls, right? 00:51:32.50 Tim He can't win suddenly. And I have a feeling this may be this beginning of the end of the death writers. I would not be surprised if they turn on him sooner rather than later. 00:51:44.48 Dug I'd be okay with that. 00:51:44.69 Tim We'll see. 00:51:45.85 Dug Yeah. 00:51:45.93 Tim We'll see. But it feels like that's where we're headed. 00:51:49.18 Dug If that happens though, who is leading that charge? 00:51:52.60 Tim Well, I think that's a good question. If from my, because I've thought about that as I have developed this theory from my perspective, I think if you want somebody that can talk, it's believe it or not, it's pack, right? 00:52:08.31 Dug Yeah. 00:52:08.45 Tim Like it's pack now. 00:52:10.04 Dug It makes the most sense because he's the most recently returned and seeing the landscape, it would make more sense. 00:52:13.40 Tim Yeah. 00:52:16.22 Tim I agree. So I think pack becomes kind of the the front of it. And I don't have a problem with that. I can, I can buy that. 00:52:23.82 Dug Uh-oh. 00:52:25.59 Tim um I think what they might do if they, if I'm right in, they're going to turn on him. I think what they might do is bring somebody else in and that becomes, yeah. 00:52:38.78 Dug That was my other thought is who what third party do you bring in to to clean house and right the ship? 00:52:40.36 Tim Yeah. 00:52:47.19 Tim I mean, if the Don Callis family falls apart, what if Don Callis becomes their their their face and voice? 00:52:58.04 Tim I don't think that'll happen, by the way. 00:52:58.40 Dug True. Right. 00:52:59.88 Tim But, i mean, that that's an option. Beyond that, there's a name that pops in my head. i 00:53:07.22 Dug is it Is it MJF? 00:53:07.28 Tim desperately hope they don't do it. Huh? It's MJF. 00:53:11.10 Dug Yeah. I hope they don't do it either. 00:53:11.99 Tim I desperately hope they do not do that. 00:53:14.33 Dug Right. 00:53:15.61 Tim I really do. 00:53:17.72 Dug It doesn't make sense. Yeah. 00:53:20.71 Tim He's better on his own. 00:53:20.82 Dug it doesn't make and yeah 00:53:23.23 Tim hes He's better as a solo act. 00:53:25.98 Dug I mean, because if hed if it is him, then the the playbook for that has already been run. He's going to treat him like stooges. 00:53:32.38 Tim Yeah. 00:53:33.30 Dug They're going to turn on him. 00:53:34.55 Tim Yeah. 00:53:35.19 Dug And then you're you're where you were with really not a lot of gain. But I guess MJF in that role would lead lend some credibility to them. 00:53:44.50 Tim Yeah. Yeah, and it would give Mox a hot feud for the first time in um in a minute. 00:53:47.51 Dug in it... 00:53:51.32 Dug Well, I was thinking it would give Mox a break because he's been running hard. 00:53:54.26 Tim That too. 00:53:55.00 Dug And it would not surprise me if there is a turn. 00:53:55.35 Tim Yeah. 00:53:59.35 Dug He just goes away for a while. 00:53:59.61 Tim Yeah. 00:54:00.59 Dug And I think it's it's okay if he, like you said, we would miss him. But his leaving isn't terrible. It's not going to kill him. And when he comes back, it will mean more. And we'll see what he would bring. So I'd be okay if, like, one day, even if there wasn't an internal coup, he just wasn't there. 00:54:18.71 Tim Yeah, i so I'll be real with you. um 00:54:21.43 Dug Okay. 00:54:22.62 Tim After he dropped to Hangman, I thought he should have gone away then. 00:54:27.09 Dug Mm-hmm. 00:54:27.74 Tim I did. i thought just let him just let him not be there for a little bit and and let us miss him because I felt he desperately needed that. 00:54:28.41 Dug Yep. 00:54:38.71 Dug Right. 00:54:39.03 Tim After a year of weird, rambling, bad promos, you know, that even Excalibur is going, he's been speaking in riddles. 00:54:49.57 Tim Yeah, he was. And it didn't make any sense. 00:54:51.07 Dug Yeah. 00:54:51.73 Tim You know, like I thought that would have been a great time for him to take a couple weeks off. they didn't do it okay fine because they wanted to roll into the Darby thing that's fine but I agree I think you know if the turn comes and they beat him down let him go away for a while and maybe they don't need a new thing and maybe they just silently merc people fine that actually that actually would probably be the most compelling they've been in a while if they did that if it was like you never know when they're gonna strike which is I think what they were supposed to be but never really got there 00:55:20.50 Dug Okay. 00:55:27.32 Dug Yeah, it never came to fruition, really. 00:55:27.70 Tim um Yeah. So I don't know. I don't know. We'll see. But I feel like we're we're in the end game of the Death Riders. I hope we are. 00:55:37.34 Dug Yeah, at least as long as Moxley doesn't go back to trying to do a bad Raven impression with his promos, I'm okay. 00:55:43.85 Tim Yeah. Good God. Yeah. All right. TNT title match. What'd you think? 00:55:50.59 Dug The TNT title match. 00:55:52.42 Tim Kyle Fletcher, Mark Briscoe. 00:55:54.04 Dug No, I was, yeah. i was stunned they gave the win to Briscoe. I thought the match was amazing. 00:56:00.52 Tim I'm not. 00:56:04.22 Tim It's match of the night for me. 00:56:04.38 Dug i thought I thought Briscoe, along with Darby Allin, puts his body through so much. 00:56:13.14 Tim Yes. 00:56:15.78 Dug Stunning. 00:56:16.67 Tim Mm-hmm. 00:56:18.62 Dug The only reason i again, Briscoe was my heart to win it. My head told me, give Kyle Fletcher that record-breaking defense. Cement him, really cement him as separate, because for the longest time, he was so associated with his tag partner and and with, why am I spacing on... 00:56:43.09 Tim Osprey? 00:56:44.06 Dug Ospreay's name. Thank you. ah He was so associated with Will Ospreay that this would really mount him as he is really and truly on his own. Not that he hasn't done a bad job, but he's a record setting title defender. 00:56:57.02 Tim Yeah. Mm-hmm. 00:56:58.33 Dug it gives It gives him legitimacy. it It leans into the belt as well. I get why. And and here's why I thought Kyle was going to win. I thought... 00:57:10.23 Dug And I love Tony Khan, but I thought they were going to do the indentured servant bit with Mark Briscoe and make his life miserable because I could see that happening. 00:57:19.70 Tim Yeah. 00:57:20.94 Dug It's very old school. And I know Tony likes that old school vibe. And I can see Briscoe being one of the few people that could pull that off. 00:57:25.23 Tim Mm-hmm. 00:57:29.82 Dug and constantly be the thorn in their side with, and barely getting away with it while still being somewhat, you know, they humiliate him, they humiliate him, they humiliate him. 00:57:36.81 Tim Mm-hmm. 00:57:38.66 Dug He comes over and then he comes back and he wins the belt is what I thought they were going with. 00:57:42.94 Tim Mm-hmm. 00:57:45.24 Dug Having him be the guy to stop that record from happening. 100% okay with it 00:57:52.06 Tim Yeah, I'm so going into it. I thought that's what was going to happen to and I thought that he was going to be the Briscoe was going to be kind of part of the final nail in the Don Callis family coffin because I think and I think they've done this on purpose. 00:58:10.17 Tim They it's in W.O.S. how big they've gotten right 00:58:14.74 Dug Yeah. 00:58:15.32 Tim And I think they've done it on purpose because they've referenced it. I mean, Don Callis has been on commentary and has even been like, there's like 800 of us. I mean, like he said that or something to that effect. 00:58:24.43 Dug Yeah. Yeah. 00:58:24.93 Tim I mean, i think they did it on purpose. The splinter is coming. We know it's coming. i thought Mark Briscoe could be part of the catalyst of that if he got, you know, forced into the group. 00:58:37.56 Tim but yeah ah this is what I like about AEW. It's one of my favorite things of, I have a hard time predicting matches as evidenced by, I think I got three right last night. 00:58:44.50 Dug not 00:58:47.35 Dug I don't think I, I think I got, 00:58:47.48 Tim And, and one of them was big boom, AJ, whose name I couldn't remember until today. um 00:58:51.77 Dug I didn't get that one right. Oh no, I got that one right. 00:58:53.56 Tim You did. Yeah. For a while, that was the only one you and I had, right? 00:58:54.87 Dug Um, 00:58:58.07 Tim um 00:58:58.42 Dug I think I've got two right all night. 00:59:00.98 Tim Yeah, I got, I got it. Cause I got FTR. 00:59:04.33 Dug Yep. 00:59:05.94 Tim And I got, actually, maybe I only got two. 00:59:07.67 Dug Yep. 00:59:08.76 Tim of I was planning to go back and look at the end and see how we did. So we'll we'll do the official record here at the end. But I did get three. 00:59:15.48 Dug No, you got you got three. 00:59:17.68 Tim Okay. 00:59:18.14 Dug Yeah. 00:59:18.84 Tim um What were the three? I know I got FTR and I know I got Big Boom AJ. What was the other one? 00:59:24.15 Dug You got the women's title. 00:59:26.30 Tim Oh, that's right. That's right. um So anyway, all week leading up to this, I was like, this is a fifty fifty match to me 00:59:33.04 Dug Yeah. 00:59:35.13 Tim and And I think that that might surprise some people, but I looked at it going, i thought it made sense to do the old indentured servant storyline. and And I agree with you on that. 00:59:47.29 Tim I didn't really want to see it because I feel... You know, look, I've been watching since the 90s. um Granted, I took a big break in there and in the early to mid 2000s because there was a lot of meh. 01:00:00.12 Tim But um i don't need to. 01:00:00.31 Dug blue 01:00:03.15 Tim I've seen it. i don't need to see it again. 01:00:04.67 Dug Right. 01:00:04.63 Tim Right. 01:00:05.37 Dug I didn't want to see it. 01:00:05.53 Tim i Yeah. I saw Rey Mysterio in the giant oversized LWO shirt. Right. Like I. it just didn't feel to me like there was any new territory you could do there. 01:00:16.63 Tim So I hoped that they wouldn't do it. 01:00:16.71 Dug Right. 01:00:18.07 Tim The other thing too, is i was like, how many times are we going to do the Mark Briscoe can't win the big one narrative? 01:00:23.83 Dug Yeah, that's fair. 01:00:24.82 Tim And it just felt to me like if you do that, you're going to lose a lot of momentum. 01:00:25.54 Dug That's fair. 01:00:29.94 Tim And even though Mark Briscoe has, in my opinion, is one of the great stories in professional wrestling in, in how he has become a legit star on his own when everything about him says he shouldn't, you know, um 01:00:44.18 Dug Yeah. Yeah. 01:00:46.30 Tim you know, how, how they managed to take the sympathy that we all had for him with Jay passing, know, and actually did something with it, actually, you know, managed to showcase this guy in ways that have made. 01:00:58.01 Dug Yeah. They made it work. 01:00:59.66 Tim Yeah. I mean, I think he's one of the great stories. And that was why I was like, I think you got to put the belt on him because if he doesn't win this time, I'm never going to believe that he can. 01:01:12.46 Dug That's fair. 01:01:12.57 Tim and It was an inflection point of what is he really in this company? 01:01:12.78 Dug Yeah, yeah, yeah. 01:01:15.77 Dug Yep. Oh, yeah. 01:01:17.67 Tim So I'm, I'm genuinely thrilled that they did it. um I think this has tremendous, I think, I think this has tremendous story potential from the standpoint of, I think this is a guy who I could see doing, you know, the Cody Rhodes open challenge when Cody had it right. 01:01:32.76 Tim Of you want some, come get some. um I think, and and the TNT title needs it. it It faded into obscurity. 01:01:40.44 Dug oh we yeah 01:01:42.42 Tim It needs a shot in the arm. I think Kyle Fletcher did a lot to help that. To my mind, Kyle has established himself separate of all those guys. 01:01:46.89 Dug I, I, 01:01:50.87 Tim I don't think of him as being connected with them anymore. um Not really. I think they've done a good job with that. I think, i don't I don't love his inclusion in the Continental Classic because of that. 01:02:03.39 Tim And we'll talk more about that in a minute. But um i think he did a lot to help the belt. 01:02:07.38 Dug i i 01:02:09.18 Tim I do. 01:02:10.10 Dug I kind of do, and it's for the reason that if you with your reasoning for having Briscoe lose being the catalyst for the dismantling of the Don Callis family, his win may be the same thing that that is happening there. 01:02:23.67 Tim Yeah, I get it and I don't hate it, but, ah but I'll show you why i think there was a different path. 01:02:27.54 Dug Right. 01:02:31.29 Dug Fair enough. 01:02:31.35 Tim Um, but that's in the main event. One more before, uh, two more before we get there. 01:02:35.69 Dug Two more. 01:02:36.81 Tim Bucks and Alexander and Jurassic Express and Omega. 01:02:39.96 Dug this is the one I got right. And it basically was exactly what I thought it was going to be. 01:02:42.26 Tim Hmm. 01:02:44.57 Dug Um, I thought that the bucks and Alexander were going win, but I thought this would also be the catalyst for the bucks turning face again. 01:02:44.56 Tim Mm-hmm. 01:02:52.96 Dug and it did pan out that way. I thought Jurassic express. I mean, Kenny always looks great, but I thought Jurassic express looked fantastic. 01:02:59.67 Tim Yeah. 01:03:02.28 Dug I thought Kenny sold the ankle really well. 01:03:02.55 Tim Yeah. 01:03:06.39 Tim I legit, I thought he was hurt. 01:03:06.99 Dug Um, 01:03:08.41 Tim Like that's how well he sold it. I was like, oh, you know, he could be. 01:03:10.78 Dug And he could be. i don't But I thought this is another case where I think Josh Alexander came in He's a killer, but he came in to such a loaded roster that you have to do some special things to really shine the light on him. 01:03:20.86 Tim hmm. 01:03:27.42 Dug And I thought that this did that. This whole this storyline with him and Kenny and Jurassic Express, I thought this really showed him... 01:03:29.85 Tim Yeah. 01:03:37.62 Dug highlighted his abilities. And I was really happy with that. I thought the bucks look great too. And it was good to see them back. You know, it's good to see them get their momentum back and see, cause in this last year, if you have not realized that the bucks are one of the best tag teams on the planet and have been consistently, you're not watching wrestling. 01:03:47.54 Tim Yes. 01:03:57.07 Dug In my opinion, I don't know what you're doing, 01:03:58.14 Tim No, I agree. Yeah. 01:03:59.70 Dug You don't have to like the Bucks, but man, how do you not respect what they have done with their own storylines and how they presented themselves? 01:04:04.66 Tim Yeah. 01:04:09.10 Dug I mean, some of it was kind of, you know, comical and and come on, guys, but like it was effective. 01:04:14.86 Tim But that's who they are. 01:04:16.28 Dug Yeah, but it was effective and it worked and it made the arc feel real and natural and seeing their hesitance and finally, finally, finally, 01:04:28.47 Dug seeing Kenny get, in I mean, severely beat down, which is the kind of beat down I thought they should have given Kyle O'Reilly, the Deathriders did, instead of Mox coming in, giving him a kick, and then leaving. 01:04:32.04 Tim Mm-hmm. 01:04:36.76 Tim I agree. 01:04:39.90 Tim And I'll say this. I didn't think of it until you mentioned his arm and all that. I wonder if they pulled up because of that. Like, I wonder if it was supposed to be a worse beat down and it was like, we can't. 01:04:51.42 Dug Right. 01:04:51.43 Tim Cause you know, yeah. 01:04:51.78 Dug It's possible. 01:04:53.40 Tim Sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do. 01:04:53.56 Dug He may very well have, I don't know if he broke his arm, but he, that cut looked deep. 01:04:58.39 Tim It looked bad. Yeah. And, and I think, you know, I'd be a little surprised to find out that he shoot broke it. They might work the angle because of Brian talking about, well, I beat Okada with a broken arm. 01:05:09.31 Tim You know, they may work the angle. 01:05:09.89 Dug Right. Yeah. 01:05:11.51 Tim I don't know if they shoot did it, but it makes me wonder if they, if they, I'm very much intending the the pun here swerved on that one because they had to. 01:05:19.64 Dug Uh-huh. Yeah. 01:05:22.14 Tim um But going back to you know the match we were talking about, yeah, that beat down on Omega was legit. And and the Bucks looked... 01:05:28.58 Dug Yeah. And, 01:05:31.03 Tim They looked like, in my mind, they looked like the goddamn Avengers when they got back in that ring to save him. Those super kicks they threw were some of the best they've ever thrown, and that's saying something. 01:05:42.17 Dug yeah 01:05:42.55 Tim they looked other They looked great. 01:05:45.78 Dug It was such a good clearinghouse, and they did it. 01:05:45.98 Tim I mean, yeah. 01:05:51.26 Dug That, to me, it's it's that made Match of the Night because of the storyline and the way it played out. 01:05:57.77 Tim Mm-hmm. Yeah. 01:05:59.38 Dug um That's to take nothing away from any of the other matches because I think the Pac-Darby match was great. 01:06:02.93 Tim Yeah. Yeah. 01:06:07.22 Dug The Fletcher, of course, you know, Fletcher and Briscoe. Amazing match. Clearly a match of the night contender. 01:06:13.72 Tim yeah 01:06:15.31 Dug But for me, the whole thing package-wise, start to finish, I think that one worked for me. And that is my match of the night for those reasons. 01:06:22.63 Tim no i i get that least i had about four that i wrote down possible match of the night um i went with i believe i did say the tnt title match was my match of the night didn't i okay uh because that because if i didn't i meant to huh 01:06:27.29 Dug Oh, yeah. 01:06:34.26 Dug Yeah. Mm-hmm. At least then. At least the one we've gotten to so far. Yeah. 01:06:41.69 Tim well no that that i mean i'm pretty sure this is this is how good my memory is um 01:06:43.93 Dug yeah You did. 01:06:48.06 Dug But we had we didn't, there were three more matches to go, but you did call that one match of the night. So it could have been. 01:06:52.12 Tim Well, yeah, and it is my match of the night. It is. And and it's nothing against anything that came after it. It's nothing against anything anything that came before it. You only have one match of the night. That was the TNT title for me. 01:07:03.51 Tim And it's a lot of the same reasons that you were saying i like the storyline aspect of it. 01:07:03.84 Dug Yep. 01:07:07.07 Tim i liked I thought both of those guys came out looking so good. I think the same thing happened here. I thought everybody came out looking good in the way that they needed to. I think you've got some very interesting storyline potential going here. 01:07:20.92 Tim But, but, but I'm going to say this. I think the storyline potential is not going to involve these teams running into each other anymore. Um, and because I think, I think we're now going to go down the, the Don Callis family is imploding storyline. 01:07:30.33 Dug Oh, probably, yeah. 01:07:39.16 Tim And I'll tell you my other thought when we get to the main event. 01:07:39.21 Dug Mm-hmm. 01:07:42.94 Dug All right. 01:07:42.97 Tim Um, even no, no, no, I'm no, I'm good. 01:07:43.26 Dug Well, let's let's move on to the... Unless you have more to say about this, let's move to the women's title shot. 01:07:47.62 Tim I mean, Good, good. Yeah. Just to wrap up the the million dollar match. Good story. Great match. Loved it. Women's world title. Again, it was a match of the night candidate for me. 01:07:59.26 Dug Yeah. 01:07:59.83 Tim um I think, you know, like we did with, like I did with Moxley, I think we got to give Mercedes credit here. I think that she has, you know, I think she was the PWI women's wrestler of the year, if I'm not mistaken, or maybe she was number two. 01:08:11.06 Dug Okay. 01:08:12.74 Tim No, she was number one. Toni Storm was number two. If I recall, she deserves it. 01:08:17.51 Dug Yeah. 01:08:17.85 Tim I think that over the last year to year and a half, she has been their MVP. She has been really good, man. And I know people are going, well, she's got 13 belts. 01:08:28.29 Dug Yeah. 01:08:30.38 Tim Of course, she's, you know, she might be overrated. No, I think, I mean, I can't tell you how many times I've been in a crowd or how many times I've seen on TV. She comes out and I watch people get up and they're going to the bathroom or whatever. 01:08:44.28 Tim Stop that. 01:08:45.69 Dug Yeah. 01:08:45.75 Tim She's putting bangers, man. She is every bit as as good as she ever was in WWE. wwe yeah I don't know that she'll ever top that match with Bayley in Brooklyn, but but that's such a hard a high bar to try and clear. 01:08:56.56 Dug Oh, gosh. Yeah. 01:09:00.87 Tim I mean, but she has been really good for them, and I thought she was great last night. She made Stat look like such a superstar. um Not saying that Stat isn't, but, man, she made her look great. 01:09:12.57 Dug Yeah. 01:09:12.66 Tim I thought they did a great thing, a great job with you know selling the arm and all that. I i loved the match. I loved it 01:09:19.86 Dug I thought it was really good. um and Then I picked Mercedes. You picked Statlander. The only reason I picked Mercedes, I wanted Statlander to win. 01:09:24.41 Tim I did. 01:09:27.42 Dug Like i said, my head won over my heart on this one. But i in my head, I'm like, okay, you this is going to sound dumb because she's got 13 belts. But, like, what do you do now? 01:09:41.21 Tim Yeah, it doesn't sound dumb to me. That's why I didn't pick her. 01:09:44.73 Dug Right. 01:09:44.98 Tim was like, you can't keep stacking belts on her. Like you and I had talked earlier in the week and I said, don't think it's going to be a clean finish. So that surprised me a little bit. But, but I also think, cause I've been thinking about this for a while now, you've got to start showing cracks in Mercedes. 01:09:53.85 Dug Same. 01:10:00.87 Tim You can't keep stacking belts on her. 01:10:03.45 Dug No, that's right. 01:10:03.48 Tim You can't. I mean you, okay. She went over red velvet for the ROH TV title or whatever it fine. She should, that makes sense. 01:10:10.26 Dug Yep. 01:10:11.67 Tim But she's got to start dropping some of these. 01:10:14.46 Dug Yeah. 01:10:14.52 Tim You know, otherwise it's it's Superman who's overpowered, right? And and nobody can beat her. 01:10:19.09 Dug Yep. 01:10:20.64 Tim Like, you she's got to start dropping some of these. And I think this is the first crack in the armor. So I'm glad that played out the way that it did. That was my thought on on picking Statlander was somebody's got to beat her. 01:10:34.20 Dug Right. That makes sense. So 01:10:40.69 Dug I'm trying to think of what belt she drops next. I would like to see that ROH title go away from her waist next. 01:10:46.52 Tim Yeah, i think I think the next one that we'll see is her dropping the ROH one. She may drop one of these other belts. You know, I mean, because, yeah, and there's, you know, she's got like the Rev Pro, and I think she's got a CMLL belt. 01:10:55.89 Dug Well, they're all those indie belts. 01:11:02.69 Tim I mean, like that's another thing that she deserves credit for. 01:11:03.77 Dug Oh, yeah, I think so, yeah. 01:11:07.15 Tim The schedule she's been working is nuts. 01:11:09.94 Dug Yeah. 01:11:10.56 Tim Yeah. 01:11:11.41 Dug Tony even made a comment that she's working so hard and it's not like she's cleaning up. 01:11:12.76 Tim Yeah. 01:11:15.89 Dug Like is she's making money, but it's not like she's making ridiculous amounts of money. 01:11:16.06 Tim Right. 01:11:21.14 Dug Cause I saw her on a, I can't even remember the name of the, like just this last weekend, she wrestled for a belt in a, on an Indy. 01:11:28.86 Tim Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. 01:11:30.84 Dug i don't even know. I can't remember the name of the company and she won. And it's like, you didn't make, six figures on that thing. You didn't make five figures on that thing. 01:11:39.70 Tim No. 01:11:41.52 Dug You know, it's like, I don't know what you made, but man, she's putting in the work. 01:11:41.82 Tim Mm-hmm. Yeah. 01:11:46.11 Dug And again, that it's been a minute since I've, I've really invested time to actually watch her in her element, because when she first came to AEW, i 01:11:57.78 Tim It was rough. 01:11:59.06 Dug Yeah, I wasn't thrilled with it, but I didn't realize how far along I'd come since and since then until last night when I was watching it. 01:11:59.74 Tim It was real rough. 01:12:09.41 Dug I was like, no she deserves she deserves the the flowers. 01:12:11.91 Tim Mm-hmm. 01:12:14.24 Dug she's She's killing it. 01:12:15.45 Tim Yeah. 01:12:15.56 Dug She's looking great. 01:12:16.66 Tim It was tough when she first came. I think she had to find her footing and she had to find her voice again and she had to figure out who the new version of her character is. And I mean, look, I like Mercedes a lot. 01:12:28.64 Tim I'm a Britt Baker fan. It's too bad that it looks like she's done with the company. But that match at all in a couple of years ago was bad, dude. 01:12:35.86 Dug Yeah, no, it wasn't great. 01:12:36.24 Tim It was bad. And I was like, oh boy, this may have been a, not a punk level mistake, but this may have been a mistake on Tony's part. And man, Mercedes has turned it around. 01:12:48.63 Tim i All the kudos in the world to her. She deserves it. 01:12:51.22 Dug Yep. Yeah, she's killing it. 01:12:52.06 Tim She deserves it. 01:12:53.02 Dug Loved it. And again, nothing but respect for stat for winning that one. 01:12:54.88 Tim Oh, yes, I agree. 01:12:57.72 Dug Loved it. So, all right. 01:12:59.13 Tim So the Psy was the main event. 01:13:01.88 Dug All right. I'm curious as to the Psy. I mean, I have thoughts, but I want to know. 01:13:06.52 Tim yeah Okay, so here's here's what I'll say. um I thought the match itself was really good. i have no issue with the match. I thought, you know, you can Joe and Hangman is one of those matches you can give me any time and yeah, here's some money, right? 01:13:20.85 Dug Yep. 01:13:22.30 Tim Here's my issue with it. Let me preface this with I love Hangman Page. So that colors some of this. But I don't understand why twice now you have taken the guy who is allegedly the main character of AEW and you've cut his title run less than six months. 01:13:45.40 Dug Thank you. 01:13:46.58 Tim I don't understand that. I get the first time you wanted to put the belt on your shiny new toy in Phil Brooks. 01:13:48.58 Dug Mm-hmm. 01:13:53.53 Tim And that was a mistake. And I think, you know, Tony alluded to some stuff in interviews, you know, in the week leading up to the show, there's some stuff I wish I could do over. I imagine that's one of those things I do. 01:14:07.32 Tim I don't think he regrets bringing punk in. 01:14:07.53 Dug Mm-hmm. 01:14:09.12 Tim i think he regrets putting the belt on him. 01:14:09.66 Dug No. 01:14:11.64 Tim Um, I would, I would regret that if I were him. 01:14:16.48 Dug Yeah. 01:14:16.89 Tim Um, cause that is what started the spiral. It seems like anyway. Right. Um, I don't, I don't understand it. 01:14:27.45 Tim The all, this is the only, this is the only justification for dropping to Joe that I have for you. And I understand, I understand it was probably to help get hooked the heel heat. Right. 01:14:40.31 Tim The only justification I have is who was next, who was next in line. and And this is a problem with AEW of you don't have that next challenger ready to go. 01:14:51.93 Dug Right. 01:14:51.99 Tim They didn't have them. I don't know who it would have been now that I've you know had 12 ish hours to think about it. Here are my thoughts. I told you about why I wouldn't have put Kyle Fletcher in the Continental Classic. 01:15:05.59 Tim What if Don Callis had gone to Kyle either last night or on Wednesday and said, don't worry about the TNT championship. I know that sucks that you lost it but don't worry about it. Mark Briscoe is going to ruin it. Nobody's going to care. 01:15:16.26 Tim Nobody's going to remember it. Your destiny is world champion and it's time to fulfill that destiny. You were this close the last time you guys wrestled. 01:15:22.65 Dug Yep. 01:15:25.09 Tim It's time to go finish the job. You could have done that. You could have just had Swerve come out last night, which by the way was great. 01:15:28.20 Dug Yep. 01:15:31.31 Tim I love Swerve. 01:15:31.99 Dug um thought 01:15:32.11 Tim That was awesome. 01:15:33.34 Dug That was great. 01:15:33.46 Tim um 01:15:34.33 Dug I do have an asterisk, but we'll we'll go there in 01:15:34.72 Tim Definitely. Okay. Okay. Okay. You could have had Swerve come out and just had him and Hangman stare at each other. And I don't need the heel face dynamic with those guys. And that was, you remember when they first started and Cody was out there going, we're not going to do the heel face thing. Like you cheer who you want, you boo who you want. i was like, that's fine. 01:15:55.29 Tim Give me good matches. 01:15:55.35 Dug yeah 01:15:56.33 Tim That's fine. If you tell the story well enough, I don't care who's the heel or the face, right? 01:16:00.14 Dug Yep. Yep. this 01:16:00.73 Tim Because we know they're both going to get a pop anyway. If you do it right. So you could have had him and Swerve do the stare down and I would have been ah thousand percent like World's End is in Chicago. 01:16:15.03 Tim Normally when they're in Chicago, I go, I'm probably not going to go to World's End just because I think the weather may suck. If you had done that, if you had shown me this may be the main event, they may do Swerve and Hangman again for the title. Here's my money. 01:16:29.82 Dug Yeah. 01:16:30.13 Tim I'm making the drive. 01:16:30.59 Dug Yeah. 100%. one hundred percent 01:16:33.88 Tim I, so I think you had that option. um I think you could have, I mean, okay, so Okada has got to go into the continental classic to defend his weird belt. That is weird. 01:16:46.87 Tim It is, it is, but I mean, you there. Okay. So maybe if it's not Okada, you could have done a champion versus champion with Takeshita. Like I wouldn't have loved that, but it at least was an option. 01:16:59.35 Tim Like I think that there were options available to you where you didn't have to have him drop to Joe. 01:17:04.84 Dug Yep. 01:17:07.54 Tim You could have gone with Kyle Fletcher again, or you could have taken a month to heat him up. You could have gone with Swerve again. MJF is coming back by all reports. He's getting ready to come back. MJF remember has not cashed that contract in. 01:17:18.49 Tim Remember that. 01:17:18.90 Dug That's true. Yep. 01:17:20.38 Tim You could have had him come back and call his shot. What I think is, I think Joe is a transitional champion again in this company. I think his sole role, his sole role, which is not easy to say, is to drop it to swerve. 01:17:37.78 Tim That's what I think is gonna happen. 01:17:39.38 Dug More than likely. And here's what I have a few caveats. 01:17:43.57 Tim Mm-hmm. 01:17:44.12 Dug I loved the swerve coming back. 01:17:46.35 Tim Yep. 01:17:47.83 Dug However, I feel like. 01:17:53.91 Dug having hangman drop kind of felt like he dropped so they could bring swerve back and it makes it more impactful and i don't think that's a good move personally i think you could have basically done the match have the hook turn had still had hangman win 01:18:04.79 Tim I agree. 01:18:11.03 Tim Mm hmm. 01:18:15.74 Dug Then you have everyone beat him down. 01:18:19.71 Tim Mm hmm. 01:18:20.70 Dug Then you bring out swerve and you get the same effect. 01:18:22.93 Tim Mm 01:18:24.18 Dug You keep hangman strong. You you're looking for a challenger. Fine. You have swerve, but hook could jump to the front and say, no, no, no, no. no no no no no or have hangman call hook out and be like, look, 01:18:32.95 Tim hmm. 01:18:36.15 Tim Yeah. 01:18:37.34 Dug The champ never, you you want to jump on the cowboy? Come on, bring it. 01:18:41.43 Tim isn yeah 01:18:41.78 Dug Let's do this. You do a short you do a short run with that. You know who's coming out on top. That's okay. 01:18:47.99 Tim and Yeah. 01:18:49.21 Dug um And the whole time you've got Swerve in the background. He could fight with the ops, but he could always be looking hangman in the eye and going, when you're done with that kid, I'm next. 01:18:58.62 Tim Yeah. 01:18:59.19 Dug I think that works. 01:18:59.38 Tim i you 01:19:02.10 Tim I would love. 01:19:02.30 Dug But you're right. they didn't They didn't have someone next in line, and I think that's a mistake. you know And I thought immediately Kyle Fletcher is the logical choice to have that happen. 01:19:10.69 Tim Sure. Mm-hmm. 01:19:12.13 Dug Bring in MJF back. That's a second logical choice. That 100% makes sense. um Even if you just want a transitional opponent, bring Shibata, who started the the fiasco at the end of the night, bring him into the mix, have him take on Shibata. 01:19:32.06 Tim Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think there were options. Some of them are good. 01:19:35.35 Dug Mm-hmm. 01:19:36.02 Tim Some of them are Matt, but I think you had some options there. I also think, um, yeah, yeah I think you could have done the swerve thing with him. 01:19:48.18 Tim You could have even run it back one more time with hangman and Joe, right? Like if the ops push him too far, you could have run it back one more time with hangman and Joe. 01:19:53.02 Dug lu 01:19:57.34 Tim I don't think you go more than that, but you could have done it. and I think you could have done the thing. If you remember the build to rock Austin at mania 17, which is my favorite match ever. And my favorite, one of my favorite programs ever, they didn't throw down. 01:20:14.81 Tim They would get in the ring and you do the thing where they back into each other. And then the stare down of like, who's going to throw the punch first. and Then one of them slowly leaves. You could have done that with hang man and swerve, right? Like you could have done those things to let it simmer a bit before you, you know, really launch back into it. 01:20:24.04 Dug Right. Nope. 01:20:30.23 Tim I just, I think I like Samoa Joe a lot. I don't have a problem with him as champion. I just don't like that. He's probably a transitional champion. I don't like that. They keep cutting hangman's title runs short. 01:20:42.55 Tim I think they did it because they think that the money's in the chase and they're probably not wrong on that. 01:20:42.68 Dug right 01:20:48.18 Tim But I mean, but but here's what I'll say. Another thing that I said, storyline wise, that I think is interesting. I think They could. i hope they do this. 01:21:00.92 Tim I hope that Kenny and the Bucks say, not only would we like to take our trios championships back, but also you just boned over our friends. So now you got to deal with us. 01:21:15.10 Tim I think that would be really good. 01:21:15.46 Dug Hopefully, it would be. 01:21:17.66 Tim That would be really good. I hope they do that. 01:21:19.93 Dug it would be very good. 01:21:22.33 Tim That will make me feel at least a little bit better about it. 01:21:25.27 Dug Right. 01:21:26.39 Tim um 01:21:26.58 Dug Right. What I was going to say is i think it's possible knowing Tony Khan that this is Joe's last stand. 01:21:27.98 Tim But we'll see. I 01:21:38.71 Tim um think so too. 01:21:39.06 Dug And I think he wants to let Joe go out a champ. 01:21:39.93 Tim Yeah. 01:21:42.94 Dug And I think, I think that colors the decision. 01:21:43.48 Tim I think so too. 01:21:46.33 Tim Mm-hmm. 01:21:47.61 Dug I respect it on one level. 01:21:50.11 Tim Mm-hmm. 01:21:50.39 Dug On the business level, I think it makes a little less sense, but I think you still have enough room to move as long as we can get Hangman back. 01:21:53.42 Tim Mm-hmm. 01:22:01.02 Dug Because here's the problem. If you have Swerve with the title... 01:22:07.83 Dug It's hard to take it off Swerve because he is he's just like Hangman. 01:22:09.74 Tim Mm-hmm. 01:22:11.51 Dug like it's he's it's It's such a tough thing. 01:22:11.88 Tim Mm-hmm. 01:22:15.06 Dug So it does take a bit away from Hangman, which is disappointing. But if you get him back with the Elite again and have it kind of full circle... 01:22:22.23 Tim the Yeah. 01:22:24.41 Dug and i think and Then I think we're in an okay spot, and I think it's justifiable all the way around in that regard. 01:22:28.89 Tim Yeah. 01:22:29.69 Dug We'll just have to see what that brings. 01:22:29.78 Tim No. 01:22:31.41 Dug But it does it is disappointing that he he lost the belt so soon. 01:22:33.69 Tim Yeah. 01:22:36.49 Dug But also, holy balls that cut on Joe's head at the beginning of the match. Jeezel. 01:22:42.23 Tim Yeah. 01:22:43.13 Dug That dude bled buckets last night, and I didn't expect that much. 01:22:45.14 Tim Yeah. 01:22:48.54 Dug I mean, i you knew it was going to be a violent cage match. But when Mox on the card to see that much blood, man, that one was a tough one. 01:22:54.95 Tim Mm-hmm. Yeah, no, I agree. No, I agree. 01:22:58.65 Dug That was. 01:22:59.38 Tim i mean, and and I think going back to what you said there, I agree. Joe has been kind of putting it out there of, I don't have a lot of time left. 01:23:06.39 Dug Yeah. 01:23:07.81 Tim I think that factored into it I thought that last night when it happened. 01:23:11.45 Dug Right. Mm 01:23:12.22 Tim um I agree with you though. Like like i said, I'm a huge fan of Hangman Page. 01:23:19.03 Dug hmm. 01:23:19.42 Tim It even diminished him in my eyes last night. 01:23:22.49 Dug Yeah. 01:23:22.81 Tim And you know how hard it would be to do that? And they found a way, you know, that dude is, is, is if he's not my favorite wrestler working right now, he's real close to it. 01:23:25.78 Dug Exactly. Yeah. 01:23:33.82 Tim Right. 01:23:34.30 Dug Mm-hmm. 01:23:35.06 Tim And you diminish him in my eyes. 01:23:35.70 Dug Yep. 01:23:36.98 Tim Like that's not an easy thing to do. 01:23:39.38 Dug No. 01:23:39.64 Tim So I really didn't like it from that standpoint. I agree with you. I think part of it was Tony wants Joe to get one more run before he's done. 01:23:52.25 Tim I just don't know if the run matters when I do think he's going to drop to swerve potentially as early as into December. 01:24:00.22 Dug Right. 01:24:00.34 Tim i mean, he may draw, he may drop it as early as world's end. We'll see how they book it But the other thing I fear is that they're going to run that triple threat back of Joe swerve and hang man. 01:24:05.14 Dug Right. 01:24:09.18 Dug Yeah. Yeah. 01:24:11.99 Tim And I realized it'll be a little bit different this time, but i don't really need to see that again. 01:24:17.97 Dug No. 01:24:18.87 Tim But you know I did have a thought too. 01:24:19.60 Dug Right. 01:24:21.03 Tim This may lead eventually to like an anarchy in the arena with the ops and the elite. That could be fun. But 01:24:27.30 Dug Okay. All right. 01:24:28.89 Tim a 01:24:30.18 Dug I'm back on board. 01:24:30.17 Tim i don't know. i 01:24:30.78 Dug I mean, it makes me mad about Hangman, but I'm back on board. 01:24:32.66 Tim Yeah, there there I'll give them this. I will give them all the credit in the world for i think you have options on the storytelling. i don't know where you're going with it. I can reasonably guess, but I don't know. 01:24:45.31 Tim And there have been plenty of times in professional wrestling where I went, well, I clearly know what's going to happen next. 01:24:45.66 Dug Right. 01:24:50.68 Tim you know, and it did, you know what I mean? 01:24:51.02 Dug Right. 01:24:53.80 Tim Like, so I, I, you, I think you have to give AEW credit for that. I think they do a good job of keeping us on ah on our toes. And I respect that. That's not an easy thing to do in the internet era. And, and I respect that boy that left a bad taste in my mouth though from an otherwise really good show that left a bad taste in my mouth. 01:25:11.49 Dug Right. Yeah. yep Especially, and again, no offense to Swerve, they made him look like freaking Superman when he cleaned out the entirety of the ops, the dojo, everything, while Hangman was basically sitting laid out. 01:25:18.69 Tim Mm-hmm. 01:25:25.43 Tim Dead. 01:25:26.46 Dug And although the the closing image was great, 01:25:26.50 Tim Yeah. Yeah. 01:25:31.10 Tim Yeah, was. 01:25:32.60 Dug But not having the belt on Hangman was not... 01:25:32.57 Tim It was. Mm-hmm. 01:25:36.34 Dug I wanted him to have that belt longer. 01:25:38.20 Tim I agree. And I noticed that they made sure to shoot it from the waist up, right? Like they can use that image again and you're not going to see the absence of the belt. 01:25:42.81 Dug Uh-huh. 01:25:48.76 Tim Now we'll remember it, but so I, it left a bad taste in my mouth. 01:25:48.92 Dug Right. Mm-hmm. No. 01:25:53.61 Tim Although, like I said, as I've processed it, I think the theme of this show was that it was not a bunch of blow offs. 01:26:00.09 Dug No. 01:26:00.25 Tim It was all setting up a bunch of future stuff. This is not a blow-off show by any stretch of the imagination. So if you came looking for that, you may be disappointed. um Overall, I think it was a good show. 01:26:11.74 Tim Look, AEW pay-per-views do not disappoint. They just, they don't. 01:26:14.81 Dug Nope. 01:26:15.70 Tim They don't. 01:26:15.99 Dug When you have, when you like you in your words, at least four matches that could be match of the night, that says something about the quality of the of the card, and I think it was really good. 01:26:20.50 Tim Yeah. 01:26:23.13 Tim Yeah. 01:26:27.89 Tim It just, it's not a sour note. 01:26:28.15 Dug did we cover all Did we cover the Continental Classic enough, do you think? Did you get your thoughts on that? 01:26:32.18 Tim I mean, we can talk more about it. I thought we might talk more about it after dynamite because they'll reveal the full field then. 01:26:36.31 Dug Fair enough. Yeah, let's do that. 01:26:38.14 Tim um 01:26:38.96 Dug Let's do that. Yeah, yeah, 01:26:39.96 Tim But, but I'm with you of, I think, I think Kyle Fletcher probably wins it. And I think that it probably speeds up the, it's going to be one of the um building blocks, I guess, to the downfall of the family. 01:26:53.05 Dug Right. 01:26:53.72 Tim ah if If not, then the final will be Okada and Takeshita. I mean, it's, it's, if if it's not Kyle Fletcher, that's your final. 01:26:58.58 Dug Oh. 01:27:02.07 Tim I mean, which, which is a little bit of a bummer because to me, then it it means if you're anyone other than those three dudes, I don't care. 01:27:02.52 Dug Right. 01:27:10.16 Tim Like, I don't, I don't think you have a chance, you know? Yeah. 01:27:13.34 Dug Well, and that's that's without knowing who's in it, but yes, that they've already stacked the top three slots, and so it's it's going to be difficult. 01:27:15.61 Tim Yeah. 01:27:18.62 Tim Yeah. 01:27:19.90 Dug Yeah, yeah, yeah. 01:27:20.31 Tim Yeah. 01:27:20.66 Dug But again, yeah, no, no, no. 01:27:20.67 Tim One more thing. oh sorry. One more thing on the main event though, too. One thing that's going to factor into this that could be really interesting that we referenced way back with hook turning Eddie Kingston's going to get, going to get involved. 01:27:33.59 Tim Right. I mean, cause he didn't just turn on hangman. He he turned on Eddie there. 01:27:38.06 Dug Yep. 01:27:38.39 Tim So at least we'll get more Eddie going here and that's never a bad thing, but. 01:27:42.74 Dug Never a bad thing. But from top to bottom, I thought it was really fun. i Again, i think the million-dollar trios match for me was match of the night. 01:27:47.03 Tim Hmm. 01:27:54.01 Dug Loved it. 01:27:54.71 Tim Yeah, I mean, it was like i say, it was one of my four that was a strong candidate for it. um I'll be honest with you. I hadn't actually decided on what match of the night was. And then it came out of my mouth on the TNT title. 01:28:04.97 Tim And I went, well, I guess that's it. I guess my brain just told me that's it. So. 01:28:08.33 Dug Yeah. And again, like you said, there were that could have been it for me too. 01:28:09.32 Tim Mm 01:28:12.72 Tim hmm. 01:28:13.17 Dug The women's match could have been it for me too. 01:28:14.33 Tim Mm hmm. 01:28:15.67 Dug um Even the main event up until the end could have been it for me too. 01:28:19.67 Tim Yeah. 01:28:20.22 Dug So, yes. 01:28:20.39 Tim Brodito and FTR were, they were my match of the night for quite a while until we got into some of those later, and you know, main event level, if you will, matches. 01:28:29.20 Dug Yeah. 01:28:30.39 Tim um I mean, it's it was a good show. It's always a good show with them. You can never fault them on that. I know people will, but I i just think you're wrong. 01:28:38.14 Dug Yeah. and it And you know, the good thing is there's plenty other wrestling to watch. You don't got to watch the stuff you don't like. 01:28:42.38 Tim Yep. Yeah, let's be clear on that since this is the first episode. 01:28:43.74 Dug So watch what you like. 01:28:45.94 Tim Yeah, we're going to talk about AEW because that's what Doug and I watch and pay attention to. But that tribalism nonsense, don't come don't come here with that. 01:28:53.58 Dug Right. 01:28:54.04 Tim Like what you like. 01:28:54.30 Dug Yeah. 01:28:55.04 Tim Enjoy what you enjoy. Good on you. I'm not going to ever say you shouldn't. 01:28:58.16 Dug Yes. 01:29:00.92 Dug I watch other wrestling that isn't AEW. is where my my heart is. 01:29:05.77 Tim Yeah. 01:29:06.32 Dug That's okay. I don't hate any other wrestling product product because it's wrestling product and I like wrestling. 01:29:11.77 Tim Yeah. Yeah. The more, the better. I want everybody to succeed. 01:29:15.53 Dug Mm-hmm. 01:29:16.57 Tim Even wwe WWE, which I know some people cannot wrap, or wrap their brains around, but it's true. 01:29:17.15 Dug Yep. 01:29:21.65 Tim So anywho, so overall, overall good show. 01:29:22.68 Dug Exactly. Exactly. All right. 01:29:26.81 Dug Absolutely. 01:29:27.83 Tim Like I said, we'll do, ah we'll do a little something, something after dynamite. 01:29:31.69 Dug Yep. 01:29:31.83 Tim um and And I'm sure we'll talk more about the Continental Classic then, because we'll get the full, I think we'll get the full field. It seems like they're to do the full field there. 01:29:39.58 Dug Hopefully. Hopefully. 01:29:40.98 Tim And I think we'll get, I think we get closer to the women's tag title winners. 01:29:46.64 Dug Mm-hmm. 01:29:47.29 Tim And we'll see what they do with this main event scene, which is a thing that is happening. 01:29:53.88 Dug Yes. 01:29:54.73 Tim That's all I can say about it right now. 01:29:54.94 Dug And, and if we are feeling froggy, we, I think we should do a deep dive into the Don Callis family and fantasy book at moving forward, because I think there's ah there's so many people in it and there's so many ways it could go. 01:30:07.16 Tim Cool. 01:30:11.67 Tim v 01:30:12.06 Dug That could be a fun little diversion. So 01:30:13.98 Tim Yeah, absolutely. We should totally do that. So clearly we're building the airplane in the air on this. Uh, yeah. 01:30:19.22 Dug yes, we are. As you can tell by our surroundings. 01:30:22.17 Tim ah Yeah. So, uh, you know, but, but, thank you for being part of the very beginning here are double or nothing 2019, you Um, um Here comes Jon Moxley. I'm kidding. 01:30:36.17 Tim I'm kidding. ah He's going to throw me through a window now. um 01:30:41.86 Dug Aw. 01:30:42.49 Tim That's fine. I asked him to. 01:30:43.51 Dug yeah It'll be all right. It'll be fine. 01:30:45.56 Tim Oh, we should. One of these days, too, we should talk about when Mox totally dissed you twice. Do you remember that? 01:30:51.96 Dug Yeah, it's hard to forget. 01:30:53.05 Tim Yeah. 01:30:53.17 Dug Yeah. 01:30:53.29 Tim Well, we should talk about that sometime. 01:30:54.81 Dug Thanks, John. 01:30:55.61 Tim You can go see it actually on HBO max. um But, but anyway, so ah yeah, like subscribe, do all the fun stuff. 01:30:57.98 Dug Yes, you can. 01:31:04.17 Tim You can find us on the interwebs at elite heat pod. That's the website, which we we don't really have going yet. So don't go there yet, but also, 01:31:12.47 Dug I mean, you can, but it is a work in progress s like this first episode. 01:31:15.32 Tim It is. It is. Yeah. But that's the social media handles. We're on pretty much everything. The only thing we're not on is X because. Mostly because I don't like calling it X. It's still Twitter to me. 01:31:27.38 Dug yes Yeah, yeah. 01:31:29.21 Tim um I think that's the only thing we're not on. We're on all the other stuff, I think. 01:31:34.57 Dug I think so. 01:31:35.32 Tim There's probably platforms out there that I don't know about that we're not on. But other than that, we're on it. We're pretty much on it. So you can find us on all that stuff. 01:31:40.81 Dug We're on tickler. i know that we're on tickler. We're on Spanx. We're on, we're on or on pouch. 01:31:49.40 Tim and I about to say, coming soon, pouch.com, sponsored by Bluetooth. If you know anyone at Bluetooth, send this their way. 01:31:59.47 Dug Oh, I'm going to have to buy that before we publish this. So I'm going to get it. 01:32:03.98 Tim It's probably already taken, would be my guess, but. 01:32:06.94 Dug going look that up as soon as we're done here. 01:32:08.92 Tim All right. Well, now I feel like I should apologize. I'm kidding. You're going to get a lot more of that nonsense around here. 01:32:17.45 Dug Heck yes. But thanks for stopping by. Thanks for tuning in. 01:32:19.06 Tim Yep. 01:32:19.65 Dug We always appreciate it. And more to come. 01:32:22.42 Tim Yep, and if you could leave ah reviews if you enjoyed it on the various podcast platforms, YouTube, all that stuff, it would really help as we try to grow this thing. And if you didn't like it, don't tell us. We're very fragile. 01:32:35.20 Dug Correct. 01:32:37.85 Dug Thanks, Blue Chew. 01:32:38.19 Tim right.