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THE GHOST INSIDE | A TRAGIC BUS CRASH, LIFE CHANGING INJURIES + OVERCOMING ADVERSITY. · The Downbeat

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What's up guys? Welcome back to the Downbeat
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podcast. My guests on the podcast this
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week are Chris and Andrew of The Ghost Inside.
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In 2015, The Ghost Inside suffered A horrific bus crash
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that killed two people and left Andrew without a leg.
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He's the drummer, by the way. This podcast has thrills.
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It has no chills. It's not scary.
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We talk about horror. There's chills, spills, sounds
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bad when talking about a bus crash.
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I'm going to leave that in, but I will.
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Let's just restart it, but with this still in it.
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This podcast is a side splitter, but it's also a tearjerker.
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We obviously talk about the crash, the physical and mental
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impact of the crash, but we have a lot of laughs with it being
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about 11 years since the crash. I think the boys can look at it
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from a different angle. I caught up with Andrew before,
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but we really dug deep today. We talked about how on on earth
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he plays the drums without a leg.
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Spoiler is basically thanks to his dad that the band is still
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together. It is really a story of
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defiance. One of my favourite podcast
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It's The Ghost Inside on the Downbeat Podcast.
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You have a special monster. Yeah, what is, what is, what is
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this about? I don't know, but in the monster
2:53
collector community they're quite a hot commodity.
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Now I'm going to need to explain why do you need collector?
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Community, I don't think you should open it.
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Oh, you've got to open it, but maybe we'll save the account.
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There's a guy that I follow on Instagram called Belgian Monster
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Collector and this guy is weapons grade, but but like he
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loves monster and he's like collects them and he gets super
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excited when there's a white top.
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So you've got white top. What we're going to do, I don't
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know if I'm allowed to do this in the contract, but we're going
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to do it anyway. We're going to have a lovely
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shot of Aaron Gillespie gave me this.
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Even better. Amazing.
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Apparently it's like the best bourbon in the world.
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He's serious about his bourbon. Dude that looks.
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Blanton's. Never heard of it in life.
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For those of you just listening. Lamping.
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Jesus. Christ.
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Well, that didn't take long. Anyway, Andrew, Chris, welcome
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to the Downbeat. Thanks for having us.
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Thank you. Can you drop that accent again
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please? Have a shot of lamping modified.
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You. It's so good is.
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This the first time you've heard it?
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Yeah, that's the, I mean, maybe, but we definitely there's,
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there's. Variations of it, yeah.
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What I'm gonna do, I'm gonna pull that and.
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Just gonna pass it for you. I I bet you Aaron will be
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absolutely furious that we're doing a massive shot of this.
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I think it was like 300 bucks. Aaron has spent a lot of time
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with us, He knows that. I think he'll be proud, Yeah, I
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think. He'll be proud with compliments
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of Aaron Gillespie. Thank you, Aaron, thank you.
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It goes back in its mythical satchel.
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I I love it. It's like, I feel it feels like
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a potion, yeah. It does.
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It's. A potion?
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You found that in Elden Ring? Mysterious Potion goes back on
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the shelf. I love it.
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Chase it with a little white monster.
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It's just that's we've got to name it.
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It's a it's a $300 shot of whiskey.
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Chase with white monster. What's the?
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What's the name? Paper cup.
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A paper cup. Easy.
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Cheers boys, thanks for coming. Thanks for having us.
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Oh no, it's really good. Delightful.
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It's. Awesome, delicious and also
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white monster. Delicious.
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Perfect chaser. I'm kind of jealous of your
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white top though, but I feel like mine doesn't taste as good
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because the tops are different. Yeah, I think the flavour is all
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on the top. You've got to be an honest.
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Here you've got the the rare. I'll take it you got.
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The rare shit boom guys, thanks for coming on the downbeat.
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Thanks for having me, we're happy to be here.
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Long time coming I feel like. I know like you've been on the
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audio one. Yep, way back.
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If you listen to the audio one, I'm gonna rehash lows of that.
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So just, you know, Oh. Yeah, we'll just dive.
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Back in Pretend that you haven't done that a.
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Lot of time it's passed too, to be fair.
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Yeah, it's been a minute. And you're new to the podcast?
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Yes. Not new to podcasting, no.
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No, not really. Late for loading.
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That's the one. That's the one.
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How's it going? Good, good.
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It's fun. I mean, I've thought about doing
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it because I like everybody else in a band streamed over the
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pandemic. So at some point during that, I
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started having just like guests on and having chats with random
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other band dudes were sitting home doing nothing.
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And I was like, I should turn this into a podcast.
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And then my buddy who manages bands that I've been friends
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with since I was 10 years old, I was like, we should do one
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together. I was like, well, fuck it, why
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not? And we started last year.
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It's been awesome. It's it's a lot of fucking work
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and it's stressful, but it's awesome.
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It sucks. I mean I love it, I know it, but
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the work sucks. People think it's like the
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easiest thing, like just fucking hanging out.
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But the setup and all the bullshit especially.
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When you get a rig like. This level, yeah, this has got
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to be a very involved. Thing.
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Do you know what though? The reason I built this rig was
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because I hated doing it. Like how you do it.
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Yep, it's one thing about your podcast.
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I've noticed like maybe 8 times out of 10 the other person has a
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good camera. And I don't know why that is.
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Like, yeah, it's luck what I do. What I have had to get really
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good at though is fixing like Airpod audio or like laptop
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audio. Like I've had to find all of the
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like AI restoration tools and shit to fix that.
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But I've we've lucked out a lot with cameras somehow.
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It looks great and that I would take this and the setup involved
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in this more than I would take all of the stuff you have to do
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when you're like prepping someone for the files and all
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that stuff and then putting it all together and making sure
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it's all the same. What I think helps too is the
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Riverside probably didn't exist when you were doing it audio
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only. So that's like it's like a Zoom,
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but it's a website where their their video and audio is
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uploading in real time. It's like the full resolution
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video, full resolution audio and you download it all and it's
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already synced. You just have to edit it after
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that. So that helps.
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To OK, yeah, but I would. Still much rather be doing it's
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there's like you miss some sort of dynamic when you can't look
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at the person directly and like be in the same space.
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Can't have a paper cup. Can't.
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Have a paper cup I miss. A paper cup.
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You gotta get a paper cup. Dude, that's it.
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Can I ask you about the pronounce the creation of the
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drink that we've just made? Right.
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Because in my head, like say it how you said it, like you named
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it. What's the name of the drink?
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Paper cup. OK.
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In my head, how we sort of take this away from the brand being a
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paper cup is we say paper cup. The inflection.
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The inflection is like paper cup.
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There's a sweet punt. You don't seem too convinced you
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you're on. Board, I think I'm in.
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You know, I'm just going to agree.
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He's he doesn't like it. He doesn't like it.
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I'm down. I'm down for whatever.
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He feels like you're attacking his idea.
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Now, Nope, that's not about. His idea brought to a master
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brander, right? Yeah, we're at the table.
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We're doing a business meeting. Paper cut.
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Paper cut. Oh, cut.
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No, not even paper cut. Paper cut.
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Yeah, and it's an expensive shot in an inexpensive.
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Yet still lovely, delicious, delicious chaser.
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That was the best. Delicious chaser, What are you
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doing in Nashville? Writing.
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You're allowed to say that we should have talked about what?
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We're not allowed to say. Yeah, I came here first because
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I was doing some stuff with Pearl.
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They're they're here in Nashville.
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So I figured while we're here, let's let's see if we can get
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some sessions in. I think they might be like down
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the street. I think it is too.
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Yeah, Metroplex. Mine always like down the
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street. Yeah, they're in Nashville.
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Yep, mine is in Nashville. Interesting.
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It's a franchise. Yeah, you're Brazilian now,
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right? Yeah, of course you are, because
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I use your right. In fact.
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I'm obsessed with What do you favorite new symbol?
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It's my favorite new symbol. Thank you.
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Isn't it the best? It rules.
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It's what everyone in our world especially has been wanting.
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What the? Fuck didn't anyone make.
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It I know, but. You.
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They let me you. Talk maybe?
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They could have. Anyone make that?
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They could have Travis Barker make that.
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True, Travis Barker uses right a lot.
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Travis Barker uses my right in the studio.
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He doesn't use it live. He needs to use it live.
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But that's still fucking crazy. I mean it's fucking the best
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thing ever. But he has that cool sweet ride
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that says Zeldrum really big. Yep.
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So he uses those live. That does look for the flex.
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It looks cool, but mine sounds cooler.
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It does, yeah. Ride.
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You can crash on that has a good ride Bell and you figured it
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out. I didn't.
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Say you did, yeah. I mean, me and Zeldrum figured
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it out then. Yeah, there was 21 prototypes.
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This is not OK. This is you know what, though #3
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was the one they made. They made, they got to three and
10:25
they were asking me to rank because I just said to them, I
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don't care about the bow of the symbol, the middle bit, don't
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give a fuck. Bell, crash, don't care.
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Same. So they were like, OK, you just
10:36
got we're going to make three rank the bell and the crash and
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#3 was 10 out of 10 bell like and I was as a nine out of 10
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crash. And Joe Pillai Zildjian, who's
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like a savant of symbols was affectionate, was like, Oh no,
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I'll get you A10 and A10. And he made whatever, 19 more.
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Jesus Christ, that Mass, right? Yeah, he made 19 more. 3 was
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still the best. Yeah.
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You want me 3? That's why.
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So do you just have 21 prototypes sitting in your drum
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room then? They're actually currently on a
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boat because they were in the UK and they're still not here.
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Oh wow, so they're all coming. I've got I've got mad weird
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ones. We got we did one with the star
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hammering, you know, like a like a 90s Z custom sounded good, but
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they were like you can't use the style hammer and that's like an
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iconic thing. We just did that for fun.
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OK, let's let's cover this Pearl thing first.
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They want to do film some content, partly stuff about the
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Hammer, the device I used to play without a leg.
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You don't have a leg. What happened?
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What was going on there? I don't know if Madison knows
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that. Yeah, yeah, I have one leg.
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Yeah, check this out. If you're just listening to the
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audio, she just made a disgusted face.
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She just made her sick. That's a good party trick.
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Yeah. No, we, we like to do this with
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it, Yeah. If you need to hold your drink.
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That's fantastic. Just I'll sit here for a while
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like like this. Sweating.
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Am I up to standards? Yeah, this.
12:05
Is this is great? This is this is accessible?
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I've accessed it. It was a little ramp and
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everything we didn't use. It Yeah, yeah.
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No, I loved all the stairs. It was great.
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Yeah, level 4. Yeah.
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Anyway, tell me about Pearl before we get onto the leg.
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Yeah, to the. Fucking leg.
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Yeah, so they wanted to film some content about the device
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that my dad made me to you just with parts in our garage to play
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drums again without the prosthetic on.
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So that's how I play. When I signed with Pearl, they
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were instantly like super excited to to dig in on this.
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Their engineers were, you know, wanted the challenge to to be
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able to make something and and have it be, you know, Pearl
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branded and man, they freaking knocked it out of the park.
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It is so insanely sick. So did some content.
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I did some ghosts inside, played through as I did a interview and
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they they brought my dad with me too, so that they could kind of
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get the story and stuff. So something, something will be
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coming soon with that. I'm going to beat him to the
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story. Yeah, I'm going to beat myself
13:09
to the story because I was going to do this later on, but you
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might as well give me some. Give me some story right now
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because we're on topic. Yeah.
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We'll cover the bus later. Sure.
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Yeah. Lost your leg?
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Yes. Tell me more about your dad
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creating something so you could play the drums again.
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I was in a 10 day coma, medically induced in the
13:27
hospital in my dad, you know, they, they flew all our families
13:30
out. And my dad, he, he thought of
13:33
this while I was in a coma about me playing again after they had
13:38
to take the leg. He, he just thought it was going
13:40
to make more sense to bring the pedal up to me as how he
13:44
described it. So he had this idea in his head
13:47
and he described it to me. And I was like, I'm down to try,
13:50
you know, before that and wanted to see if playing with a
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prosthetic made sense, if it worked, had some stuff made and
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it just didn't for a while. So I kind of hit a pocket a year
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after the accident where a, you know, I was not feeling and I
14:04
was like, this is this, that's it.
14:05
And so. Trying with the prosaic.
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With the prosthetic, yeah. And I had like my drum kit in my
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parents basement while I was recovering.
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And then I think my dad saw that it was it was starting to get me
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down. So he just went out in the
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garage and made his idea that he had thought about initially and
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he just brought it down one day and just he's like, just try
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this, Just see. And I was like, OK, And it
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instantly like with I just play with my residual limb.
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I instantly so that all the actions in my hip.
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Yeah. Can you explain it?
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Yeah. So it's basically if you're
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looking down at your, you're sitting at your kit, you look at
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the snare drum. My right pedal is basically at
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snare drum height essentially. So the my, my hit and I play
14:44
with my limb with no prosthetic. So the actions in my hip flexor
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and that's it. There's a bar that connects from
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that pedal that's at the snare drum height that connects to the
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kick pedal. And your dad just made this?
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He made it with like out of like wood and like aluminum scrap
15:01
pieces and like a door hinge in a.
15:03
Midwest. Countertop material as the base
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yeah it like it was like a 90s like countertop.
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You would see it like a shitty apartment complex or something.
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And he he, he made it and it instantly was just like, oh, I
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have, I can feel like I just have more freedom.
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I have more movement and I can, you know, if there's not
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something rigid weighing me down and.
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Immediately. Immediately like night and day
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from the prosthetics. So that gave me hope from there
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I would jam on it every day and then I would give him notes.
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I was like, can you turn the pedal so that it's this way like
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ergonomically with the way you know my hips when I sit down or
15:41
pointing out a little bit that way.
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So we moved it that way. We adjusted tons of things.
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He, the throne legs were like, I would scoot up pretty close to
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the base. It would get in the way of the
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throne leg. So he like shaved those in and
15:55
like to it looks like a coffin. The shape of it looks like a
15:58
coffin. Just to make room for all these
16:00
little adjustments. There's probably like 15 or 20
16:03
iterations of it and then that that eventually turned into he
16:06
made one out of like drum, like ADW drum throne and he he had.
16:11
So it can be folded down for us to take it on.
16:13
And he explains this, he explained it to Pearl and I
16:16
didn't really like even know this part.
16:18
He he put some sort of like compression valve thing from
16:22
something else inside the tubing of the throne to do.
16:26
I haven't. I'm like how the fuck did you
16:27
even know to do this way? Adventure.
16:29
So you're cheating. Yeah.
16:31
Yeah. So.
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So you lie so. You.
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So you. Fucking.
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Lie so it's. All Oh it's hard there you put
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backing tracks in the fucking. Now I just I just use AI, so
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yeah. You know what's so I mean, we're
16:45
going to continue on with this, but it's so sick.
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Like, I mean, it's genuine. I think I remember when we did
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the audio version, like I started breaking up when we were
16:55
talking about it because it just camaraderie with your dad.
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Like my dad would do that for me, which is like a whole part
17:04
of it. But just the thought of not
17:06
being able to play the drums again and then and like really,
17:10
no offense, you shouldn't be able to play the dramas.
17:13
That's like a true that's a career end.
17:14
Absolutely. And his dad?
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Saved our band. Coming through like straight
17:19
away, like man, we'll just, we'll just figure.
17:20
This out the band would have been done in November of 2015 if
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his dad didn't come up with this device.
17:26
Like straight up, it would have never happened.
17:28
Yeah. It could have stuck on tracks,
17:30
could have, but we would adjust the bright and.
17:32
Like AI comes out a few years later.
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Yeah, it's all good. And I'm a magic.
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Video. Wall.
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So Pearl have now made an official version.
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Yeah. So what we want to do is make it
17:46
available to people who need it. Is it not specific to your
17:50
what's left of your leg? Like the length?
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Mine is, but we're we're going to work to figure out how to
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make it work for whoever we possibly can so.
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We're. We're we're just going to that.
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That's the goal anyway. You know, that might be a lot of
18:06
kind of one of one pieces. That's why it's not just going
18:08
to be like, you can go by the hammer at Guitar Center and I
18:11
don't, I don't think it'll be that, you know, it's going to be
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whoever needs one, we're going to get we're going to get you
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one one way or another. We actually it's cool that this
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is happening because we did a South America run.
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Was that last year or two years ago?
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24 so two years ago. And we were in.
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Were we in Colombia, Bogota. Yeah.
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And there was a amputee fan in the crowd who came up on stage
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and, like, talked with Andrew. And then he talked to us after
18:37
the show. His dad, based on the Hammer,
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built him something similar. And it's like, there is, we
18:44
don't think about it, but there is like a need for a device like
18:47
this out in the world. It's like going to open a door
18:49
for a lot of people to be able to play drums where they may
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feel like they never would have had an opportunity again.
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Absolutely, yeah. And.
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It's just a Midwest dad who thought it dreamed it up because
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his kid needed it one day. Yeah, and in in Bogota he showed
19:03
me videos and he he was a left above the knee and the the
19:08
picture of the hammer that his dad, they just made it based off
19:11
of whatever pictures of mine were on Google.
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Just photos, yes. And, and he, and he was playing,
19:17
he said it changed his life and it brought him back to drumming.
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And you know, people reach out to me definitely like weekly and
19:25
like, if you're watching, I, I, I see and hear all of you.
19:28
If it's, it's hard to get back to everyone at once.
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But we're working on stuff. So it's where that's the goal is
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to get it as soon as we can. So be on the lookout.
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Let me ask you an insane question.
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Go. For it.
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I'm ready that we can come. Do I need another shot?
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I do to. Ask this question let.
19:46
Me ask the question while it's in my ADHD brain and then we'll
19:48
have another shot. OK, so is your dad going to get
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any kickback from that? Well, you know, we haven't
19:54
gotten that far yet into it. We're just concerned with
19:57
getting it out and helping who we can for now.
19:59
So I mean, all that stuff's down the road or whatever.
20:01
I'm. Not just thinking about money
20:02
there guys. Something about protecting
20:04
someone's idea, sure. I mean, I'm not going to say no.
20:09
Sorry for the interruption guys, but I want to tell you about a
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not. It is really nice.
21:48
It's really. It's very nice.
21:49
It's. Strong by the way as well.
21:51
I forgot to do the paper cut. Bigger paprika, we changed the
21:55
name you. Ever seen the movie Paprika?
21:57
Paprika. No, I've never.
21:58
Heard of it? I'm going to.
22:00
Talk about fucking anime on here like I always do.
22:03
But you know the scene in Inception when they're in the
22:07
corridor of the hotel and it goes around like stolen from
22:11
Paprika? Nowhere you.
22:12
Know, I mean, yeah, it's really good anyway.
22:15
Besides the fucking point. Besides the fucking point.
22:17
So you've been at Pearl and then you're writing.
22:21
Why is everyone come here right? A lot of producers here, there's
22:24
a lot of, and there's a lot of friends that do it too.
22:26
A lot of a. Lot Cody.
22:28
We were out with Cody. We we tried he's he's real tied
22:32
up. He's real tied up.
22:33
So in his fucking swimming pool. Wouldn't you be too?
22:37
He's. Working.
22:38
Yeah. Especially like today was hot.
22:41
Yes. I feel like it got hot today and
22:42
then it'll be it'll be 30 again, like in two days probably.
22:47
Yeah. March, March on this side of the
22:48
country. Typical.
22:50
Guys living. I'm in Maryland.
22:52
Vegas. Everyone else in the bands in
22:54
Vegas. Everyone in the everyone in
22:56
Vegas, you haven't thought about doing it.
22:57
Oh, I've thought about, but it's I don't want to move to Vegas
22:59
with kids. True.
23:00
Come on, man. Yeah.
23:01
Otherwise I would absolutely fucking would, I think.
23:04
The family. You're the grandma, Grandpa.
23:05
Yeah, we, we've got built in like yeah for him on tour and
23:08
shit. It's like a great excuse to go
23:10
to Vegas. Sorry kids and wives.
23:13
Yup, I go. I go to Vegas to record.
23:15
Hurry up and graduate, God damn. It.
23:19
Me and your mother are moving to Vegas.
23:22
You know you do that to that. Hurry up and.
23:26
No do the IT. Yeah, you can do.
23:28
Whatever you want. Bro yeah, hurry up and graduate.
23:31
God damn it you little varmint. Me and your mother are moving in
23:34
Vegas. God damn it.
23:38
God damn it. You got the.
23:39
Fucking English accent you got that he's got he's.
23:42
Got well smart in it. Yours is the best one that's
23:45
ever been in there. I'm going to say thanks.
23:50
Wait, the way he just said thanks is like how I say that?
23:53
Look at Madison's just fucking nodding away.
23:55
We. We have a British L who?
23:57
Says. That, yeah, which is why he does
24:00
it all the time. Now what?
24:00
Producer, did you go to? Then I would have been right
24:03
with. A guy named Jonathan de Lise, he
24:05
fucking rips. He's a younger dude, but he's
24:08
like doing a ton, a ton of heavy bands these days.
24:12
So we've been with the we we came here in January also and
24:17
did some some work with him and a guy named Dave Cal who's in
24:21
Memphis. And then since he was coming
24:23
down for Pearl, we were like we should just try to get in with
24:25
Delise again while. This March, so who?
24:26
Whoever's available, basically. Is the whole band hit?
24:29
No, it's just me and Andrew this time.
24:31
It was who it was really last minute.
24:33
Oh. Yes, thrown together literally
24:35
like a couple days ago. Yeah.
24:36
Is this the instrumental mind of the band?
24:39
99% him, yeah. 99% Oh yeah. Do you know about 99 these days?
24:46
It's up there. That's the lion's share of Yeah
24:48
1. Yeah.
24:50
Or 100 yeah, fractions. He's that guy.
24:53
He's just like a ribs. As well.
24:55
Oh yeah, probably I I. Has it always been that way?
24:58
I play guitar more than I play drums for sure.
24:59
I've seen you, I saw you doing the like 8 string stuff.
25:04
Yeah, I actually when I first started doing that, I was
25:07
sending you stuff. Yeah, yeah.
25:08
But I thought that was like a post accident jerk off.
25:13
A little bit, yeah, that that's that.
25:15
It's called 1 decade. And it's just, I was going to
25:18
say One Direction in my head. It's.
25:19
Called One Direction. It's called One Direction and.
25:22
It's me. It's a couple of months.
25:23
It's just hot guys. And yeah, you know, it's but one
25:26
decade it was just like I had a bunch of stuff in my head.
25:29
I wanted to be creative and not lay in a hospital bed all day,
25:32
right? So I I did that.
25:35
It's something I always wanted to do.
25:36
I was talking about this earlier because shout out to Misha.
25:39
I was a big bulb fan like. That's a fucking legend.
25:43
Like I would download the SoundCloud files of bulb.
25:48
And on sevenstring.org. Dude, yeah, like I always wanted
25:51
to. I always told myself someday I'm
25:53
going to do like an instrumental, like one man gent
25:56
project where I do literally everything like this and that.
25:59
I took that initial first, like within the first few months of
26:04
downtime to do that. That's what it that's what it
26:07
started. As but you riff him before that.
26:09
Oh yeah, so he was in a band called For the Fallen Dreams
26:12
Before The Ghost Inside, and he wrote a majority of that stuff
26:15
when he was in the band. Too.
26:15
I knew you were in that band. I didn't know you were.
26:18
The yeah, I did. I did like probably the majority
26:21
of those first two changes in Relentless.
26:26
He's a secret. Ripper.
26:27
Absolute fucking rage. I see a lot of, there's been a
26:31
lot of like TikTok resurgence. I was going to say for.
26:34
The fond dream comeback coming back and it's kind of cool to
26:36
see then. Come back.
26:38
I think a lot of that era of like heavy music is just coming
26:40
back into fashion again. It's cool to see.
26:42
Which is interesting, yeah. Right.
26:44
You know what? The one that fucking blows my
26:46
mind? The two that blow my mind.
26:48
Acid bath. Like the sludge resurgence?
26:51
Yep. Acid bath playing a fucking
26:53
show? Insane crowbars next.
26:57
That's crazy, yeah. Crowbars 1,000,000.
26:59
Monthly listeners. Yep, wow, Yep.
27:01
It's wild. It's fucking awesome.
27:04
It is genuinely like a really good time to just be into heavy
27:08
music in general. And I feel like I feel like
27:10
people are starting to go back and it could be a pandemic
27:14
thing. Like I feel like people got
27:15
really nostalgic over the pandemic and like rediscovered
27:18
all the old music they listen to.
27:19
But I feel like it's very much carrying into like the heavy
27:22
scene now where I do. I do think people are going back
27:24
and starting to appreciate the older bands, like the bands that
27:27
would have inspired us to do what we do, you know what I
27:29
mean? I've just pennies dropped in my
27:31
head right now. I think I know what it is.
27:35
OK, so by this point with music, for the most part, everything
27:40
has been done. Like everything's been fucking
27:43
done. And I think maybe kids are
27:46
because there's so much out there.
27:49
They're like hunting for something that's so different
27:52
from the norm. And then something like, I think
27:55
Crowbar came about. There was a meme.
27:57
The meme. Simon can put the meme up right
27:59
now. I'm pretty sure.
28:00
It's just like a really fat dog and it and it says my dog after
28:04
listening to Crowbar or something like that.
28:06
And then the meme popped off and then like that Crowbar song,
28:11
repulsive in its splendid beauty, just kept becoming like
28:15
a trending audio. Yep.
28:17
And it's almost like like kids are using old music as what?
28:23
Maybe not our generation. How old are you guys, 36?
28:27
30. 8 We're the same generation, I would say maybe people
28:30
slightly older than us what grunge was to them, sure,
28:33
because grunge was kind of new, but it was like the antithesis
28:36
of hairnet or. So you know what's interesting
28:39
now you're saying so my I have two younger sisters.
28:42
The youngest one is 13. She just had her birthday party
28:44
a few days ago and I went with my wife and kids and her entire
28:48
playlist that she had for her DJ that was that looks like dance
28:51
theme party she had all of it was like pop punk and pop songs
28:55
from when I was in middle in high school.
28:58
I'm like how the fuck do these kids even know this shit?
29:00
But it's it's the Tik Toks and like and all the mean.
29:03
Shit, I truly think yeah like our like our age as parents are
29:08
showing their children their favorite band SO11 that I think
29:13
we all know is Deftones hat look at the resurgence like.
29:16
Sexy resurgence. So and I I went and saw them.
29:22
When? When did we 2020?
29:23
March of last year, so. A year ago we were in LA writing
29:27
and we Deftones played the forum.
29:28
So we went and it was like a lot of young kids and their parents
29:34
and, and, and I think that the young kids that have TikTok and
29:37
it's big with social media, like it helped.
29:40
I, I think Chino talked about it in a, in a podcast or something.
29:43
He said that, you know, it's it's definitely helped like re
29:47
just reignite them. I think maybe like 2 with like
29:50
even like Papa Roach, like they're so good at social media.
29:53
They're Jacobi so good at it, like the social media game.
29:57
I we're not. We need to get better at it.
29:59
So bad it I fucking need. Social media kind of bad at it.
30:02
I hate like, I don't know what's kind of like, oh, post three
30:04
times a day, oh the hook and all this shit and I'm like, I don't
30:07
fucking know. I'll raise you on the Deftones
30:09
point. We went to see Deftones probably
30:11
the same tour in Madison, the whatever the arena tour was last
30:16
year and she's like spent, no offence, looked amazing but she
30:21
spent like fucking 4 hours getting ready and was like I
30:26
have to be the hottest goth bitch of this show.
30:28
And in my head I'm like it's a fucking death time show.
30:31
It's going to be people that look like me and then we get
30:34
there. No one looks like me.
30:38
No. She is the hottest bitch out of
30:39
the fucking show, I'll tell you that much.
30:42
But like, it was crazy. I was like, what are you talking
30:45
about? You know it's going to be guys
30:46
fucking World Industries T-shirt.
30:49
Not anymore. Yeah.
30:51
It was. Not.
30:52
No, it's crazy. It was insane.
30:54
It blew my mind, but like, fucking good for them.
30:57
That's cool. Yeah.
30:58
Oh, it's awesome to have that. Resurgence, so like they said,
31:00
you know, it's the it's the biggest their band's ever been
31:02
is right now just wild selling out arenas.
31:05
Thoughts on that medicine tik? T.O.K does wonders it.
31:09
Does it really Does it? Is a great platform platform to
31:13
link the generations. Keep going.
31:16
It's only 17 years older than me she had when she was 17, so I
31:19
think that a lot of her music directly influenced what I
31:22
listened to growing up and what will show our.
31:26
Kids. Without a doubt.
31:26
I think that's another big thing is the parents are really like
31:31
passing down their music interests to their kids or the
31:34
older siblings. I hear a lot about older
31:36
siblings getting the music, their younger siblings now,
31:39
which is I think amazing and. And you it's totally a thing.
31:42
And when you see that, you see like look what's back.
31:47
Like like acid washed baggy pants and like all.
31:51
All bad that was in when I was in fucking.
31:52
Middle it looks like everyone walked around is in the fucking
31:55
episode of Dawson's Creek. Yeah, that's kind of sick.
31:57
RIP. Yeah, RIP man.
31:59
RIP the Dawson, yeah? Daws bro.
32:02
Hey, crazy. The doors, The doors to the
32:05
doors. But you're right, everyone's
32:07
dressing like that motherfucker. And that's come back with like
32:09
so and there's, you know, they say there's always this like
32:12
it's like a 20 or 30 year resurgence and, and every like
32:15
cultural thing like it happens. Trading cards and Pokémon cards,
32:18
sports cards are like huge right now.
32:20
That was like what I did when I was a little kid, you know, And
32:23
it's like huge right now. You still do it now?
32:25
I do, Yeah. Yeah.
32:26
You got a company? What?
32:28
What is that? Just like a did, we did.
32:29
We go to Target today to buy packs of cards.
32:32
Maybe. Maybe so, yeah.
32:33
No, I, I what? Did you buy today?
32:35
I bought some 2025 Panini select football blaster boxes.
32:40
Yeah, he's a sports card. Guy, yeah, I what's called.
32:43
Big into sports cards? Yeah.
32:44
How'd that go for you today though?
32:47
Explain it to me like I'm 5 or British.
32:50
What the fuck is a sports card? Like why is it good?
32:54
What did you want when you opened this pack today and what
32:57
did you get and why was that bad?
32:59
So what I wanted in the particular product that I opened
33:02
today, there is what is called a case hit.
33:05
Now a case of these cards is 20 boxes.
33:08
So that means there's usually one case hit per case, which is
33:13
1 card. And and in the product I got,
33:15
it's called a zebra. It has like a zebra border and
33:19
it's of any every player in the NFL has 1.
33:22
So what I want is a Jackson dart rookie.
33:26
He's the quarterback for the Giants Zebra, their valuable
33:29
card that is it rare and valuable because you think.
33:32
He's going to be, it's really big later on, like a limited,
33:37
this limited. Number and and the sports card
33:39
market is literally. Like the stock market, like if a
33:41
player is doing well, their value is up.
33:44
If they get hurt, their value goes down really.
33:47
And and people want big rookies because a lot of people see
33:53
value in them and they want to see how their careers pan out.
33:55
Sometimes they don't like for instance, there's there was a
34:01
big rookie last year, JJ McCarthy for the Vikings.
34:06
He was a huge, huge chase in the product.
34:09
And then he didn't have the best sophomore year in the NFL.
34:12
So like his his values gone down.
34:14
You got to, you got to sell before.
34:17
His value goes down. Wow, that's really stock market.
34:20
It is. It is like a stock market.
34:21
And you know, a lot of a lot of people will, will really invest
34:25
in one player. And sometimes people lose like a
34:27
lot, a lot of money doing that. It's it's possible.
34:30
Sometimes people really like 20 times their money.
34:33
It just is. If that player, let's say.
34:36
This rookie card that you were looking for can't remember his
34:39
fucking name, sorry mate, but like that's how you get it and
34:43
it's worth a lot now anyway. Yep, because he's on the up Yep.
34:46
What if he then goes to go on? Do you know what the only the
34:49
only fucking only famous football player?
34:54
No, in fact, I'm gonna keep the fucking reference.
34:57
OK, let's go on to say he has a career like OJ Simpson.
35:02
What is that card? Like.
35:05
What's that word? There might be some sick fucks
35:07
out. There that is a completely
35:09
different like black market, the OJ market's probably.
35:12
Probably weirdly crazy. Actually, I don't really know,
35:14
but that's the only like. That's in my head.
35:18
That's Michael Jordan of fucking like NFL, but it's like it's
35:23
also Michael Jordan of killing your wife, Michael.
35:28
Jordan of. Killing your wife?
35:29
I don't know. That, yeah, maybe.
35:32
That's. Insane.
35:33
That's him, Yeah. That's.
35:35
Tim stays in Simon Crazy. Yeah, no, I respect it.
35:41
I. Respect it.
35:42
So wait, so who's like the best? Of all time, the NFL, that would
35:46
be. Tough because there's so many,
35:47
Tom. Brady, right?
35:48
Yeah, he's the guy. He's already still going.
35:50
No, there's. Not like a 90s one.
35:52
That's sick. He's Dan Marino.
35:55
Dan. Marino.
35:56
He is but. Tom Brady just stays mature.
36:00
The bridge guy knows the American references.
36:04
I know the juice. I know you're a weird.
36:08
Guy. Real weird.
36:10
What a fucking movie. Yeah, never seen it.
36:13
Wow, you got, you have, you have.
36:15
To never seen yeah. There's two to watch, Both of
36:18
them, no? So this is this.
36:19
Is a thing I'm scared to show her Dumb and Dumber and Ace
36:22
Ventura because it's so specifically my like she's never
36:27
seen it and I'm like fuck, I think Dumb and Dumber is like
36:30
top five movies for me. Yeah, agreed.
36:33
But what she doesn't like it? You know what so.
36:36
My wifes gonna if she ever listens she's gonna kill me for
36:38
bringing this up and my wife has never seen Forrest Gump and that
36:41
fucking baffles me and enrages me, enrages me and she just
36:45
won't watch it. I feel like what the fuck I.
36:47
Fucking respect. This she just.
36:49
She's just like Nope is that I feel like the part.
36:52
Where he's going, she's. Gonna go, I'm going to bed.
36:56
Have you? Seen Forrest Gump.
36:58
OK, alright, alright, we're good, we're good.
36:59
Then I managed to get to watch the what?
37:02
Love movies? Let me.
37:03
Like, put that out there. He sounds like I'm like a movie
37:06
hater. Sure.
37:07
Another I love. Yeah, but Dumb and Dumber is.
37:10
Is specifically like 39 to 45 year old man comedy sure perfect
37:18
example and we. Were just talking about this
37:20
before we started the podcast about Halloween.
37:23
OK Halloween 1978. The original 1 is my favorite
37:28
movie of all time. Literally my number one favorite
37:30
movie. Adam Gray.
37:32
Yep, we all love him. I I thought he was gonna.
37:35
Be here. I was so excited.
37:36
Good. I would pay large.
37:38
Sums of money to have him. Oh yeah, I want him on.
37:42
He's got a next time he's. Around he's gotta pop in, but he
37:45
thinks that's the worst fucking movie he's ever made like this.
37:49
It's fucking. Terrible 'cause he didn't see it
37:51
till he was like, yeah, I don't, I don't think I put it in my
37:54
top. 10 horror. Well, The thing is for me, I saw
37:56
it when I was. Like 9 or 10 years old on USA
37:59
network randomly in the middle of the day one day and it scared
38:02
the shit out of me when I was a little.
38:04
It's got the nostalgia factor and the.
38:05
Nostalgia factor the. Way it made me feel then is that
38:08
it's like people saying play the old stuff 'cause they want to
38:11
hear that because it made them feel as I was talking about this
38:14
earlier on. Exactly.
38:15
That's so. That's the same with like.
38:18
From I feel that way 'cause like it, I it's my favorite one
38:21
because it it reminds me of it brings me back to that.
38:24
So like she might watch a dumb and Dumber or something be like
38:28
this is fucking stupid and you're like you're I just it's
38:31
so hard for you. I don't.
38:33
Want that to happen so that's why you're just like that's.
38:37
How much We're not going to watch it.
38:38
We watched the. The departed the other day and
38:40
she'd never seen that. And that's the top five only for
38:42
me. Yeah, that's hard.
38:43
She liked it. OK, I knew she would.
38:45
Like it so it's awesome. What a fucking I want.
38:47
To watch fucking Dumb and Dumber.
38:49
So bad right now. Maybe I'll just do it.
38:51
RIP RIP the Band-Aid off. Watch it in its entirety on.
38:54
The podcast right now, the whole thing with no cuts.
38:57
Next episode of podcast. Doesn't have Madison and then I
39:01
have to go, well guys, we watched Dumb and Dumber.
39:07
She wasn't. Yeah, yeah.
39:08
And. We just watched the whole.
39:09
Thing it's on screen right here and it's them watching us watch
39:12
it. I thought about that earlier on
39:14
today. Because I was thinking of other
39:16
things I could do just for fun or like for Patreon.
39:21
So if you're on the Patreon and you're watching this and you
39:23
think this is a good idea, what I wanted to do is like an audio
39:26
only of me and someone else, like another guest, like either
39:31
post podcast, maybe they did a podcast or maybe they want to be
39:35
involved, but they don't have something coming out or just in
39:38
town and they don't want to do a podcast.
39:40
And I'm like, OK, well, will you do this for me?
39:42
Watch this movie with me and we'll just talk over the whole
39:45
thing like a director's commentary because I used to
39:47
love those back in with every DVDs.
39:49
And all you would do is like, I'd be like on the actual thing,
39:54
on the actual audio, you could go, OK, guys, you should see The
39:57
MGM Lion now. OK, pause 3. 2.
40:02
One press play and then they can watch the movie and that means
40:07
some other fucking guy chat show.
40:08
Was it? Wasn't there ATV show back in?
40:10
The Day. History.
40:11
Science Theatre, 3000. That's the one.
40:13
Yeah. Wow.
40:13
I don't. Know.
40:15
What you're talking about, So it was, it was like a late night.
40:17
Like TV show where you they were showing a movie or ATV show and
40:22
it was like an animated group of characters as if they're in a
40:25
theatre and you can. Only see their silhouettes in a
40:28
theatre, but you could see the whole movie on a screen imposed
40:31
into this graphic. And it was them doing It was a
40:34
real a real movie. It was a.
40:36
Yeah, it was a real movie. And it was.
40:37
It was on sci-fi channel so usually it was like an old timey
40:40
sci-fi movie. So like beavies and butt
40:42
headbutt movies? Yeah, that's a, that's a yeah.
40:45
Actually a little bit, but it didn't cut.
40:47
It didn't cut scenes or anything.
40:49
It was a behind shot of these characters that were doing the
40:53
commentary, but it was just like kind of repeating how you'd get
40:55
away with that because I'd love. To do that where like me and.
41:00
A guest watch a whole. Fucking movie like you were just
41:02
talking about. And then you could also just
41:04
watch the whole time. I want to say very arrogant to
41:06
be. Like guys?
41:08
You should watch this movie, but you should listen to me, me,
41:10
talk to me. Don't don't watch it any other.
41:12
Way it's only if. I'm talking this iconic movie.
41:15
Listen to. Me talk all over yeah, what a
41:18
fucking. Wanker.
41:20
What a wanker. I feel like with that.
41:22
Show they got away. With it, because it was a movie
41:24
from the year -3000 I feel like I could get away with it.
41:28
With. Some kind of monster.
41:31
What you going to do? See me?
41:32
I actually he's well look, he's got a track, not a large.
41:36
Hater Yeah, they're my, they're my favorite.
41:38
Band in the world. Every fucking motherfucker in.
41:41
This room is that favorite band. I love him.
41:42
I fuck, I love him to. The end of the earth and back.
41:46
Dude loves to suit people though, so he doesn't love you.
41:49
And he would, and I want him on the podcast so much.
41:51
SNL I'll take him back. You don't sue anybody at all?
41:53
Yeah. He fucking loves you man.
41:55
That's my sorry. I've got.
41:58
I've got. I've got one in my studio too.
42:01
Real one from him, yeah. Is it a a head drumstick?
42:04
Yeah. It's from him.
42:06
Wow. So.
42:07
I touched by the hand of God, he gave.
42:09
It to someone he gave it to you, you know, from a third party
42:12
tool. You know that man Royal blood
42:14
yes. So Ben from Royal Blood was
42:16
wearing my Lars Ulrich wrestling team I bought because it's so
42:20
fucking sick. Of course.
42:23
You want to touch I have this I haven't got.
42:25
One he doesn't. Care.
42:26
He knows the scent. Fucking sorry, he knows the
42:28
scent. What that smell like he he was
42:35
wearing? My Lars or T-shirt when they
42:38
played with Metallica and Lars people.
42:42
Hey, fans of the podcast that are here every week, sorry you
42:45
have to hear these fucking stories every time.
42:47
However, if you are here and you're like fuck this story
42:49
again, I actually love you so much because you you watch every
42:54
episode. But he was.
42:56
Wearing it and Lars. Was there and saw him and was
42:59
like the fuck is that? And then he explains to him and
43:04
then I get hit up by someone that Lars's wife wants 5 of the
43:09
shirts. So I sent 5 to Lars which and
43:13
then I went and counted members of his family at 5 or whatever
43:16
number it was. I counted members of his family
43:19
and number of shirts and the weird sizes.
43:21
They were looked at pictures of his kids and everything to check
43:24
the sizes were right. And the scientists were all like
43:29
this is a this is for a fucking family photo so I know it
43:32
exists. Oh yeah.
43:33
God I I hope so. That needs it, the Internet like
43:36
now. Swiss family or Rick?
43:39
OH. My God, wearing my fucking
43:41
chair. That gotta exist.
43:42
Gotta be a beer. Short which?
43:44
One, I'll take a beer, you know? What?
43:47
No one does it. We never do it.
43:48
I. Love it.
43:48
I've been wanting to be on white.
43:49
Podcast, I guess they're probably people are probably.
43:51
On tour, When they come through, people are on tour, I.
43:53
I normally drive, it's normally like 5:00 PM and it's not people
43:59
that I have a a checkered history of.
44:02
Dude, this is drinking. How?
44:03
Often do. You do a late podcast like this.
44:06
Should I give this? Thank you.
44:09
I'm glad you're on. Board with like shitty.
44:10
Beers like that's fucking nectar.
44:13
Like yeah, I fucking love it. Give it.
44:16
Give me. Like not above the.
44:17
Refreshment. Of a water but.
44:19
With the hit of the beer. Wrist right of a beer.
44:23
Yeah, the fun crispy fucking. Attitude we started, we did
44:27
quite a few where we would do it with people after their show and
44:30
I did really like those, but people don't really want to do.
44:34
It people. Don't want to have the night,
44:36
Yeah, people are like, I'm going to be too tired.
44:38
And then do you know what I think a lot of it is, is some
44:42
people. Don't know.
44:44
About the podcast, Oh, this is what I was actually going to
44:46
say. How do they not?
44:47
Know about your podcast? I know.
44:50
That's fucking, I mean. That's insane to me.
44:51
Yeah, but this is what happens. They don't know.
44:55
And the press agent or whoever is like, oh, the drama knows.
45:00
And and then I like Google the drama and I'm like, oh, I like
45:03
watching an interview with them. I'm like, this is not going to
45:06
be good. So but they're not going to do
45:07
it. And then fucking the next door
45:12
singer sends me a message every fucking time because they go oh,
45:15
actually it's good. Or I get the drama 1st and the
45:19
singer sees it and goes oh wait, that was good.
45:21
Yeah, because I was going to say you have a lot of non.
45:23
Drummers on Don't you really be trying to do?
45:26
It he's still battling the Drummer podcast.
45:29
I am. I play.
45:30
Guitar more if and he. Plays guitar.
45:32
So yeah, I could do. And this is the.
45:34
Thing though, this is the problem.
45:36
I could do this every single week if it was a drummer, but I
45:41
don't. Think the.
45:42
Ceiling on dramas is too low. Totally like what I want to do.
45:47
So like I try and mix it up. So I think every, maybe every
45:51
three episodes I'll try and have a drama because I can just talk
45:54
sure easily to. Dramas, we're very.
45:56
Similar human beings but I am trying to beat the podcast
46:01
drama. Podcast allegations The
46:04
drumstick is a fucking problem. Yeah, it makes a tough fucking
46:08
logo. Though man, thanks.
46:09
Look at that branding. Copyrighted cost me fucking 8.
46:12
Grand copyright, I think. I think very worth it.
46:14
Worth it? Do you know why I did it do?
46:16
You know why? I did it and we've got No
46:17
because, because I love him. No, because because during the.
46:23
Pandemic, Ben caller. From Converge started a podcast
46:27
or did made a T-shirt and had a drumstick with pentagrams on it.
46:30
And then everyone started tagging me in it and I love Ben
46:34
and I love his drumming. And I was like, oh, that kind of
46:36
sucks because this sort of looks like the downbeat logo.
46:39
And then I was like, and then that got me thinking I didn't
46:41
give a fuck at time. I think he abandoned it or
46:43
stopped doing it or whatever and I don't care.
46:45
It's like not the most original idea in the world.
46:47
However, I've made it my thing and then I was thinking about it
46:51
and I was like, it's only a matter of time and before some
46:55
symbol company minor or like, you know, like.
47:00
Stick Company or IT? Does like a metal drumstick and
47:02
it's drumstick pentagram and I was like fucking fucking ESP.
47:06
Guitars does that like Arctic metal line of their guitars and
47:09
shit. Like I would have been shocked
47:10
to see like a pentagram out of guitar picks or something or
47:13
like out of the next when? When does fucking yeah?
47:16
A symbol company go this is our metal line of symbols and put a
47:19
fucking drumstick pentagram on it.
47:21
In America, though, people kind of.
47:22
Scared of the pentagram? Oh yeah, kind of sick.
47:25
Oh yeah, don't. You know Jesus is.
47:26
King brother, it's kind of sick that like.
47:29
Like so in the UK we laugh at all you guys.
47:33
Yeah. Because of what you.
47:34
I think I. Think everyone like.
47:36
Most of America's. Laughing in America too, to be
47:38
felt like it's crazy. How like I am, I would say I'm I
47:43
said like about 100 million times.
47:44
I'll leave a comment and subscribe.
47:47
Thank. You engage, Oh, say subscribe.
47:49
Oh. That's gonna have to get
47:50
reframed. You can sue me and I'll give you
47:52
my info. Whatever, you're not blaming
47:55
that fucking leg. For everything, Yeah, this is
47:56
the good one, okay. I'll take it back.
47:59
I'll tell you back. Sue the fuck out of me.
48:01
Take you back. You could sue me.
48:03
Yeah. I didn't have the correct.
48:05
Well, we will sue you. Who owns this?
48:07
Building what let's call it go for that let's.
48:09
Call it. Let's go for that.
48:10
Let's go. Let's go.
48:11
What? I watch.
48:12
Good. Cheers, sounds good.
48:14
Yeah, we like. Laugh at.
48:15
You guys or just in general, but I couldn't actually believe
48:19
coming here. I'm agnostic, sure, like I do
48:23
believe. There is something.
48:24
I believe we were created by something but I don't know what
48:28
it is. I'm sure I would probably
48:30
subscribe to some sort of aliens or simulation theory, which my
48:35
girlfriend has told me many times is like both those early
48:38
onset schizophrenia. But but like it's.
48:44
Crazy how many people are just, like, real.
48:47
Like, you know, the Bible. Shit, I feel like it's it's.
48:51
It's like come back into fashion too, in a way.
48:53
Like I feel like it's you didn't know really doing it.
48:56
Doing it for dollar on the. Higher levels of it that 100%
49:02
but I feel like conditions evangelist.
49:06
Evangelist. Definitely make him I would.
49:07
Just mean, like when it's just like, oh, we were a Christian.
49:10
Fucking no. Is that coming back into oh
49:12
that? You just mean?
49:13
Christianity. In general, I feel like it's
49:16
yeah. Yeah, I'm going to say something
49:18
crazy given. The fact there's a pentagram
49:20
right there and all my clothing and the music I listen to, but
49:23
like, I kind of. Get it?
49:27
For like. Community, sure, people are
49:30
like, if it's coming back, maybe people are like longing for
49:35
totally community, the community aspect of it and what it's.
49:37
Supposed to stand for I get that.
49:39
What it ends up being is fucking toxic and abuse money and you.
49:44
Can't do this. You can't do that for sure.
49:47
Yes, it's. It it.
49:48
Inevitably always ends up in a fucking bad place.
49:51
Like everything, yes. 100%. 100% that was depressing everything.
49:57
Everything's everything. Sucks, we're all fucked.
50:01
Yeah, a couple of bad ears. What do?
50:02
You think is the weirdest religion?
50:05
Oh, I don't fucking know. We got a fucking.
50:06
Hand up straight away. Over there, the pasta religion.
50:11
Pastafarian. Pastafarian.
50:13
Yeah, but that's just a. Branch of.
50:15
Atheism. But is it?
50:16
Oh, is it? Yeah.
50:17
Atheists made it to. Protest the census.
50:22
OK. Oh, I thought there was some you
50:23
could buy it like whole. Foods no one's I'm.
50:26
A fucking copyright that next I believe it was atheists that
50:34
were mocking Christianity and how crazy it is.
50:39
So on the census report, when you put your religion and they
50:42
would put that, I'm saying I'm thinking like, were you going to
50:46
say like fucking Scientology? Or some or some shit.
50:49
That's where my. Head goes immediately and we.
50:51
Probably still will get killed for that.
50:52
Here's here's the thing. Here's the thing.
50:54
Now Scientology. Just make it quick.
50:57
Here's the thing about Scientology.
50:59
I don't care what Tom Cruise does.
51:00
I love him. He can do whatever he.
51:03
Fucking. Want sure, it's a little weird
51:05
when he. When he says that depression's
51:07
not real, that's a little weird. It's just positive thinking bro.
51:12
This is what I mean. I.
51:14
See. I you know what?
51:16
Everyone's got their fucking limits for like art versus
51:20
artists. Sure, Yeah, we all know I.
51:22
Do. And like but mine for Tom
51:27
Cruise. Is.
51:27
Like, pretty high, yeah. Oh, it's like fucking.
51:31
It's out of this world bro, you know wrong.
51:34
It's like. You could do fucking.
51:35
And I don't know what it is. I like the last.
51:40
Samurai like a. Lot and I like Eyes wide sharp
51:44
vanilla sky vanilla. Sky is.
51:47
Maybe a top five believable. Maybe a top five wire.
51:50
Fans. Anybody.
51:51
Just me. Come on, I.
51:52
Have a didn't have enough OJ in it for me.
51:53
OK. All right, best sports card out
51:56
there, by the way. I I have a take here and I stand
52:01
by this. I'm I'm talking about we might
52:04
get killed. I might get killed.
52:05
OJ is innocent, Top Gun you. Can't say that Top Gun Maverick
52:08
is better. Then Top Gun.
52:11
I haven't seen Top Gun Maverick. It's dude.
52:15
It's fucking. Sick it is good.
52:17
I don't really care about top. Gun.
52:19
I love Tom Cruise. You don't care.
52:21
About Tom. Cruise Tom Cruise can stamp on
52:24
a. Baby and I'm still I'm.
52:27
Still on. I know that I know what he is,
52:30
no. Fear that you're not.
52:31
I got that blind allegiance to him based on like.
52:37
Maybe 4 movies and. I can't explain it, all right?
52:40
Maybe it's like a cosmic Scientology team.
52:42
You might be religions praying to fucking Tom.
52:46
Cruise, That might be the weirdest religion.
52:47
That's what's going that one. That one has to exist.
52:50
As well Brains Tom Cruise. Yeah, can we get a Google?
52:53
On weirdest. Religions, a lot of them are
52:56
coming up like. The Flying Spaghetti Monster,
52:59
where it's like satirical religions.
53:02
Did she say I'm sorry I have the.
53:04
Headphones on Flying Spaghetti Monster.
53:05
Yeah, That's Pastafarian, right? Yeah.
53:09
There's. Jedi ISM yeah, but this is all
53:13
just people. Gaming the census because they
53:15
want to protest organized religion, which I agree with.
53:19
Sure. Yep.
53:20
Yep, and I think it's funny. But I feel.
53:21
Like we could just it's it's, let's just call it Scientology.
53:24
Please don't kill me. Please don't kill me.
53:26
Look, I'm sure that I I. Was in a Christian metal corps
53:29
band before The Ghost Inside. So were you Everywhere's Prada?
53:34
No Texas in July. With Adam Grey, I didn't know
53:37
Texas in July. Were Christian that that's not
53:40
shocking. It went away real quick.
53:42
The band started when they were all like, teenagers and it was a
53:46
Christian bandit like at the beginning, and it went away real
53:49
quick. It always does, yeah.
53:51
Except for impending. Do you remember that man?
53:53
Oh yeah. So sick.
53:55
Please continue to be banging. Yeah, they.
53:58
Were sick Hard. As fuck.
53:59
Just be Christian, hard as fuck. And I did all the Christian.
54:02
Tours all the Christian festivals.
54:05
Shit, shit's weird. How Christian we talking?
54:08
Oh dude, what? We did a tour.
54:10
Called scream the prayer. That's pretty Christian.
54:14
Did you say oh or have you got a?
54:15
Weird religion for me. Praying is Oh no.
54:18
No, she's. Justified in that response.
54:22
That's a that's a tour we did. It's a thing.
54:28
Yeah. Might as well.
54:33
Did a couple tours with four today and I feel bad bringing it
54:36
up. I love the Le True brothers but
54:38
I got Drew is. One of the best people on planet
54:42
Earth? Yes, my one of my favorite
54:43
people ever. Yeah, good people, sweetheart,
54:45
but I've I've seen it all or one of it on well.
54:48
Not but. A lot of it.
54:50
I've seen a lot of it. Not the.
54:51
Like. Serbian Film shit no, no good,
54:54
just. Checking no No.
54:56
No, I had that. I want 1.
54:57
You won't. Watch it.
54:58
No, here's the thing. I watched it once.
55:02
Repulsed me, yeah. You love, you watched.
55:05
It more than. You love?
55:06
No, I watched it once repulsed. Me, but for some reason I like
55:10
to make a joke that it's my favorite one.
55:13
Yeah, that's a good. It's it's a good.
55:15
Bit because it. It's so bad people are like,
55:18
they probably think you're a fucking.
55:19
Serial guy. Yeah, it's really bad.
55:20
All worst. Definitely I would rather.
55:23
Be a serial. Killer than that, yeah, fair, I
55:25
think Zach said he. Watched it thinking it was gonna
55:27
be like Serbian Phil. But like, yeah, no, I wasn't.
55:31
There, Yeah, I think he's ruined for life, yeah.
55:34
We're religion. You got one I would like to put
55:37
out there. Cults like Heaven's Gate.
55:40
Yeah, Heaven's Gate was what made.
55:42
Me think of this whole thing Yeah, that's a good one Wait, is
55:46
that the. Jim Jones, one.
55:48
What's the Jim Jones? That was.
55:49
That was Jones. Massacre.
55:50
Yeah. Heaven's Gate is the one where
55:53
the aliens. Yes, the aliens.
55:57
And what was? The one that was in Waco, TX.
56:00
There was a cult that was in Waco and there was a massive
56:02
like FBI that was involved in the raging and they like killed
56:06
a ton of people and like kids and shit.
56:08
It was raining. You're a sneaker head, aren't
56:10
you? Dude, I.
56:10
Was into it for a good while. Like I'm, I'm actually, I'm not
56:14
going to. Say what I'm wearing.
56:15
Right now, cut that. I mean, Jamie cut the hold.
56:20
Off your leg and waved it at a camera.
56:23
Yeah, it's so it's easy. So I'm just saying.
56:26
Yeah, but yeah. You got old Yeezys on, yeah?
56:29
Boy, you want me to throw my clothes out, right?
56:31
Yeah. Exactly.
56:32
Yeah, No. Not fall.
56:34
From Grace, I'm sorry. But.
56:35
It's so such a fucking shame. Don't be no, I don't be like
56:39
that. I'm I'm literally kidding, but
56:40
I. I was like super big into
56:43
sneaker collecting during the pandemic.
56:46
I got AI, got a couple nice pairs.
56:48
I, I definitely slowed down on it and I 'cause I don't wear
56:53
addiction, went from sneakers to tragards.
56:55
My addiction you wear. One less than me, that's.
56:57
Right, I get everything half off the.
56:59
Religious movement founded in. 1974 by Marshall Applewhite and
57:03
Bonnie Nettles. The members believed that human
57:05
bodies were containers that and that committing suicide would
57:09
allow their souls to ascend to an alien spaceship trailing the
57:13
Hale Bopp comet, leading to a higher existence.
57:17
Kind of fucking awesome. So they all when the Hale Bopp
57:23
comet happened in whenever it was, I think it was like late
57:26
90s, early 2000, but they were like, OK, you got to kill
57:30
yourself on this day because then you ascend, you go to you
57:33
go to your real body on the planet.
57:36
They were all wearing Nike decades to the to the and so
57:41
when they died at all the photos that happened of all the
57:43
suicides and everything because they had the clothes over them.
57:48
All you could see was the shoes. Jesus Christ, the sales and Nike
57:51
decades went crazy. So then Nike pulled it, pulled
57:56
the sale and they pulled that sneaker completely.
57:58
But then the resale market went. Of course it did a fucking of.
58:02
Course it did. Desperate for a pair?
58:04
That's all right, P. Sure.
58:07
All. Right.
58:08
The fucking most light eyed sure after all, right P sure that's
58:13
why. I made.
58:14
That's where I started. 1 decade.
58:18
Oh my God, that's how it. Started 1 decade.
58:21
There it is. You do need 2.
58:22
Though, because. You got prosthetic 2 legs, 2
58:26
decades. Two decades I should.
58:27
Get 2 more. We got brought.
58:30
Up the. Branch Davidians, that was the.
58:33
Waco. The Waco one.
58:35
That. One's fucking.
58:37
Crazy. Yeah, that was.
58:38
That was just a crazy thing like the.
58:39
FBI stormed the ranch that they were on and like fucking
58:42
murdered everybody. Killed a bunch of it was fucked
58:44
thing about cults. Right.
58:47
Is what? I can't help.
58:49
Thinking about is because the sort of person that gets into a
58:52
cult is you know, they are quite they're either damaged or
58:59
they're not thinking right, lost, lost, able to be
59:07
manipulated like and there's by a cult, by its nature, it's not
59:12
quite a few people must be the most fucking annoying room in
59:15
the world. Absolutely. 20 of them can.
59:19
You imagine the sort of. Person who?
59:21
Believers a fucking. Alien.
59:24
It's controlling everything. Annoying.
59:25
Annoying as fuck. Now there are not.
59:28
Many places I could imagine wanting to be less Yeah than
59:31
that. I'm having a fucking good time.
59:33
I'll tell you that much. Are you good?
59:35
I am. This is so fun.
59:37
I've been wanting to do this for so long.
59:39
I mean, I know I did the audio one, but you did the audio since
59:41
I've been watching you. What?
59:43
I was watching. This grow was that over the
59:45
pandemic? I think it was.
59:46
Mid. No, it was after.
59:49
What's the fucking? Australia big fest.
59:51
We played in the middle of unified, Unified, so it.
59:54
Was right it. Was played that the same day.
59:56
As us didn't. Well, that's why we're talking
59:57
about doing. It they would.
59:58
Have been either. It would have been.
1:00:00
It was like, I wanna say no, it was either brand new pandemic or
1:00:04
it was days because it might have been days before it.
1:00:08
Was declared pandemic pandemic and that show.
1:00:11
So we we flew into Australia probably a week before the
1:00:15
festival because we came over only for the festival.
1:00:17
I came over for Christmas so. I was weeks or but I remember so
1:00:21
we were doing. Rehearsals in all in Melbourne.
1:00:24
Yep. And I remember walking down into
1:00:26
the lobby, Oh yeah, of our hotel every day and like walking past
1:00:29
the TV's that were on like news channels and stuff and being
1:00:32
like coronavirus, right? Like new mystery virus break out
1:00:36
in China and going yeah and we're.
1:00:39
So we're so go bad. For saying this hell like that,
1:00:40
yeah, me being like. That sucks.
1:00:43
I will probably won't have to worry about that.
1:00:44
And then the entire world explodes.
1:00:46
Now I went to get my nuts. Checked yeah, pre pandemic
1:00:51
popping off. I remember vividly I had a
1:00:53
little bump on a nut. Yeah yeah, been there Check your
1:00:56
nuts. You.
1:00:56
Guys, get that? Been there.
1:00:58
And I was like. Freaking out about it and.
1:00:59
I went to go get it checked out. Just a cyst.
1:01:02
Just a just a benign cyst. Very small gone now.
1:01:06
But anyway, I remember being in the waiting room waiting for it
1:01:09
and I was watching a thing about people being stranded in Spain
1:01:12
on holiday because of this virus.
1:01:15
And in my head I'm like watching it and I'm just like, oh, it's,
1:01:18
it's like one of those cruise ship norovirus things.
1:01:22
And I'm like, they're just watching it like as
1:01:24
entertainment. No, not being entertained, but
1:01:26
I'm just watching it like, Oh yeah, that would suck.
1:01:28
Or would it? Because you're still on holiday,
1:01:30
you get free holiday, blah blah, blah, blah. 3 weeks later it's
1:01:33
like, well this fucking end, yeah we may never see the public
1:01:37
ever. Again, I remember seeing a thing
1:01:38
like Oh Tom. Tom Hanks and his wife, they're
1:01:41
stranded. They can't.
1:01:42
And I got Tom Hanks can't make it.
1:01:43
We're all fucked. Yeah, we're all fucked.
1:01:45
He is. He's been known to not make it
1:01:47
for quite a while and then he's going to get a pop and then.
1:01:52
It didn't work out, so the. Man survived AIDS.
1:01:55
Living on an island for this. Back to that Yeah, there's a
1:02:00
word for that. His wife.
1:02:01
Leave in the room when that. Thing comes on.
1:02:03
What's the word? There's a word for that.
1:02:05
You can't. Say it anymore.
1:02:07
But you kind of can't. Yeah, yeah, Forrest Gump's
1:02:09
crazy. Because Forrest.
1:02:10
Forrest Gump draws the line you want to talk about.
1:02:14
Music, OH. Fuck off.
1:02:17
Forest. Forrest Gump draws the line so
1:02:21
perfectly into like. How much an actor can. 100% I
1:02:28
already know where you're going. Yes, can be a little bit.
1:02:34
What about Gilbert Grape? Yeah, that's.
1:02:36
Too much. That's like that.
1:02:37
Might that. Yeah, that I.
1:02:38
Think that one crosses? Yeah.
1:02:40
What's you eating, Gilbert? Grape.
1:02:42
That's kind of. That's maybe too far.
1:02:44
Forrest Gump is the cusp wildly. Forrest.
1:02:47
Gump's on the cusp. There's another one that's like
1:02:50
my left, my left foot. Is that what it's called?
1:02:53
I don't want to hear anything about anyone's left.
1:02:54
Foot, I got it. Now let me tell you something.
1:02:58
I hear that again one more time. You got 1 though it's.
1:03:02
The right foot. That should be bugging you, bud.
1:03:03
Oh, fine. I fucked that up.
1:03:04
Yeah, you did that. Was going to pop.
1:03:05
It's OK, he got a fucking pop. For me.
1:03:09
It's me saying I thought I was gonna.
1:03:11
Get a pop earlier, but come a quote I like.
1:03:14
I really like it. Yeah.
1:03:15
I wanna, I wanna, I wanna keep calling that back if we can.
1:03:18
OK, I'll. I didn't.
1:03:19
And I think. It's in an.
1:03:20
Edit so no one will know that. Even so that makes me feel
1:03:24
better. I I straight up.
1:03:25
Hijacked. It from you, it's your Yeah,
1:03:27
take it awesome. Take it you.
1:03:28
Guys wanna start a cult? Yeah.
1:03:30
It's called. It's called.
1:03:31
The paper. Cuts I.
1:03:33
It's got the left parentheses. I thought I was.
1:03:36
Going to get a pop. Yeah, the fat box.
1:03:40
Yeah, do you want to get dark? Or not?
1:03:41
Are you having too much fun? No, we're down like you it.
1:03:44
Will fucking switch gears like that.
1:03:47
Oh yeah, it's gear switch in time.
1:03:48
Because we've got the grief tourists watching, let's bring
1:03:51
it on with those grief tourists. That want to know about.
1:03:53
This crash, Speaking of left foot, right foot, there was one
1:03:58
thing you said earlier. I didn't want to cut in because
1:04:00
you were talking too much as I do.
1:04:03
No, never said Joe. I always fuck you.
1:04:05
Thought we do much. You said when you were in a coma
1:04:08
that while you were in a coma, your dad was already thinking of
1:04:13
a way that you could play the drums.
1:04:14
Yep. Did you know that?
1:04:15
You'd lost your leg. Then so Oh no so.
1:04:18
Your dad is planning your. Life.
1:04:21
Yeah, because they had. To make the decision as my
1:04:24
parents to take the leg or not. And it it got to a point where
1:04:29
the infection was spreading. Whoa, whoa, just give me the
1:04:32
full story then. Because I didn't know that.
1:04:33
So here's the thing in the. Crash I was as far front you
1:04:39
could be to the front lounge. So top left driver side front
1:04:44
bunk, double Decker bus. No, that this isn't the state
1:04:47
this. Isn't a single Decker.
1:04:50
US format. Condo bunk driver side top left.
1:04:54
On the other side of me is where the front lounge starts.
1:04:56
So I was, you know, I took me, me Zach, I think Armand and
1:05:02
Vigil took the the more up there you are, the force, the force
1:05:07
drifts less. You know, that's far back, if
1:05:10
that makes sense. So up there took a big, a big,
1:05:14
big hit up there and the the leg was broken so bad.
1:05:19
And I remember seeing I was touch and go like in and out of
1:05:26
consciousness and and awareness at certain points during the
1:05:31
accident. And there was a point.
1:05:34
So I'm kind of jumping all over here.
1:05:35
Give me a play. Give me a play by play, yeah.
1:05:37
So so. 9:00 AM Everyone's asleep in the bunks.
1:05:43
I feel the bus jerk and I hear a loud noise and then it's just
1:05:49
still lights out and I wake up in shrapnel.
1:05:54
And rubble. So.
1:05:57
Surreal, it felt. Like maybe it wasn't real.
1:06:00
It took a second to felt like a dream.
1:06:02
Outside. Outside.
1:06:04
Of the bus. He was still in in the.
1:06:06
Bus, but I think the the roof had torn open where he was so he
1:06:09
could see the sky. Yeah, the part of the bus I was
1:06:11
in was like. Ripped open like a can.
1:06:14
So I was on my back when when I came to and it was shrapnel
1:06:19
around me and the sky and you could smell diesel fumes.
1:06:24
There were we had a studio bus. It was formatted to be a studio
1:06:29
to write on. We were going to write a record.
1:06:32
I was like in and out of consciousness.
1:06:34
I, it took me a minute to realize what had happened was
1:06:37
real. And when I did, I just told
1:06:41
myself to just calm down and, and this, this actually
1:06:45
happened. And no matter what, just
1:06:47
something told me to not panic and not let my heart I've.
1:06:52
Never. Would have even known to do
1:06:55
that, but I go I just got to control my breathing.
1:06:57
I know that I need to just breathe in my nose and out in
1:07:00
that mode it like literally. You don't.
1:07:02
Know that you have it, but you do have it in you you're we're
1:07:06
all wired that way and then you don't know it till it happens
1:07:08
and it fucking happened so I I just went into this like Zen
1:07:12
almost you're in pain complete and utter shock didn't feel a
1:07:15
thing you look down at one point and saw your.
1:07:17
Heel or your toes were supposed to be right?
1:07:19
Yes, yes. So imagine.
1:07:21
Dude and. I and I, I saw.
1:07:23
That and I just looked away almost like it.
1:07:25
Don't just don't look at it. You got you were like Zen.
1:07:28
Yep. I just got to make it to.
1:07:30
The hospital and it'll be figured out.
1:07:32
That's that's where my that's where my head was at.
1:07:34
And that crazy. So what felt like an eternity
1:07:38
passed. I was an attorney.
1:07:40
Yeah. I remember how long we took
1:07:43
like. Two hours.
1:07:45
Of being just trapped in a in a in a tour bus accident.
1:07:49
Waiting two hours for people. To help to get out.
1:07:51
Couldn't have been more. In the middle of nowhere.
1:07:53
It was a 2 lane rural highway between near Las Cruces and El
1:07:56
Paso border. Somebody.
1:07:59
Somebody that stopped to help us had to drive like 15 minutes
1:08:02
just to get cell phone service to call and help.
1:08:04
And when it got called in to emergency services, it was
1:08:07
called in as an RV turned over. So when they first sent
1:08:10
emergency services, it was like not enough people to take care
1:08:13
of the 10 people in the band and crew plus both drivers.
1:08:17
So the first set of first responders came and then they
1:08:21
had to call for backup on top of that.
1:08:23
So by the time that the last person, which I think was me,
1:08:26
Jim and Timmy, our drum tech at the time got out of there was
1:08:28
like almost 3 hours after the accident.
1:08:31
Shout out Timmy. Timmy the man.
1:08:32
Timmy's drum tech for me a. Couple of times he's.
1:08:34
Not going to let love him. Yep, he's holy.
1:08:37
Shit 2 1/2. Hours.
1:08:38
Yeah, dude, long time. We were just trapped there.
1:08:41
Yep. And and and you.
1:08:43
Were Zen, how are you at this? Panicking because I was in the
1:08:46
back of the. Bus so I was able to.
1:08:50
I woke up split second before the impact because I felt the
1:08:53
brakes slam and it like jolted me awake and then immediately
1:08:57
impact and we finally came to a stop.
1:09:00
So like you said, the the bus is a, a studio bus.
1:09:03
So like it really technically only had five bunks in it and
1:09:09
they like manufactured extra bunks into the back.
1:09:14
And so the bunks on the driver side of the bus had like
1:09:18
collapsed onto my side. I was on the passenger side of
1:09:21
the bus and I was able to find like a small hole in the shit
1:09:26
that was laying on top of my bunk to like squeeze myself out
1:09:28
and I knew my foot was fucked. So I like couldn't get much
1:09:31
further than that. And then Timmy again shout out.
1:09:34
Timmy was able to get out of his bunk.
1:09:36
He climbed out the back window and then lifted me out of the
1:09:39
bus and I would just like sitting on fucking I don't know,
1:09:42
like a tragedy scene, like a like a like a bomb had gone off
1:09:45
like they're just shit laying everyone.
1:09:47
I'm sitting on the remains of what was, I know now, like the
1:09:50
remains of the trailer that the semi was pulling, just fucking
1:09:54
freaking out. Like asking Jim, our bass
1:09:55
player, like, you know, is our driver, OK?
1:09:59
Like I, I, my brain hadn't hadn't accepted what we were
1:10:02
like dealing with. And everyone else is stuck in
1:10:04
the boss. Except for you, Timmy, me, Timmy
1:10:07
and then Jim, our bass player. So I like people screaming Oh.
1:10:10
Yeah, dude, I and and and. To be fair, 'cause like there
1:10:12
was a door that separated the studio area that the rest of the
1:10:15
bunks were in and the front 5 bunks.
1:10:18
And at that point I had heard like I'd heard Zach yell in
1:10:21
pain. I'd heard our, our Armando, who
1:10:24
he mentioned, who is Vigil's best friend.
1:10:25
I heard him yell for help. I heard our, our front of house
1:10:28
guy yell for help. The only two people I didn't
1:10:30
hear at all in this moment was him or Vigil.
1:10:34
And so all I could think is my fucking two of my friends are
1:10:36
dead right now. You know what I mean?
1:10:38
Because I, because I couldn't see him, I couldn't hear him.
1:10:41
Like we had no clue what was going on.
1:10:43
And we're just like asking people who are like stopping who
1:10:45
are driving by stopping to help us for like I was like asking
1:10:48
can you call my wife and like or my at the time my fiance like
1:10:52
there's no cell phone reception. They can't they can't give her
1:10:55
what's that? That was.
1:10:55
A fucking terrible. Jack.
1:10:58
But. It was.
1:10:59
It was. Fucked like I didn't know what
1:11:01
the fuck was going. I thought my friends were dead.
1:11:03
I like fucking like putting comprehend.
1:11:05
What was going? On and my foots like crumpled up
1:11:08
into a ball and like I just like I can't walk like my body's
1:11:11
going to shock. So I'm sitting outside in like
1:11:13
80° weather, but like shivering uncontrollably.
1:11:15
It was like it was fucked man. And your your Zen.
1:11:18
Sorry, carry on. No, I was.
1:11:21
It was. But it was, it was like shock
1:11:23
Zen. I was only Zen because I was in.
1:11:26
You must have been. I'm not gonna make it.
1:11:28
Out of you must have been so close to death yes for your body
1:11:31
to just like he was so close to death at multiple.
1:11:34
Points throughout this whole scenario Yeah, sorry we got
1:11:37
sidetracked so. No, you're good.
1:11:38
Carry on. So then in and out of
1:11:41
consciousness, Yeah. And then however.
1:11:44
Much time passed. I heard people yelling like he
1:11:47
said. I, I could hear things.
1:11:49
I didn't know who was what. I didn't know who was left.
1:11:52
I, I, I was just laying there just waiting.
1:11:54
And then next thing I know, it took, you know, I'm a big dude
1:11:57
and it took several people to get me.
1:12:01
They put me on like a backboard and they like carried me.
1:12:03
It was a little bit of a like a decline, like a little tiny
1:12:07
slant. And I just heard.
1:12:11
Helicopter come down so. They they.
1:12:14
They put me on there. And I literally was like a
1:12:16
fucking Black Hawk Down or something.
1:12:18
Like I literally the pilot was just like, you're going to be
1:12:22
all right. And like put the mask on me.
1:12:25
And I started breathing on that on the backboard and I just was
1:12:27
out and 1010 days later from from the.
1:12:32
Chopper. To the but you can remember that
1:12:34
the chopper. I remember it vividly, yeah.
1:12:37
Yeah, I remember that. So.
1:12:38
Crazy. So in a coma.
1:12:40
You know, they they bring you, it's essentially bringing you
1:12:44
like an inch above death. It is just the closest you can
1:12:48
be to death. But.
1:12:50
Controlled. You could imagine that's some
1:12:53
intense shit they put you on. So coming out of me, hit me.
1:12:56
What right can you remember? Any of it, Yeah, I had fucking
1:12:59
crazy. Crazy, weird dreams that I had a
1:13:05
dream about. Us like, because the Badaclan
1:13:08
thing with ears of death metal happened like a week or two
1:13:12
before this, and we had played at the Badaclan only a couple
1:13:15
weeks before that. Yeah, there was something about
1:13:17
you, like thinking that it was us.
1:13:19
It was in that I woke up. Someone told me I woke up and I
1:13:21
was. Like did ISIS do this to us?
1:13:25
I'm sorry if I. Swear to God, it's it's it's
1:13:33
crazy. On paper for sure.
1:13:38
I was. So you did not expect that to?
1:13:41
Come out of my mind, I'm like I'm.
1:13:45
I'm on like. Like.
1:13:48
Close to tears. Were how sad this fucking story
1:13:51
is. And then you hit me with that.
1:13:56
And it's it's. Objectively very funny.
1:14:02
Oh my God, I don't know if. The.
1:14:04
Tears are from the fucking story.
1:14:06
Or the ISIS, anyway. Carry on.
1:14:10
So that that's. That's a coma.
1:14:12
What coma will do to you Yeah, right.
1:14:13
So because I had these dreams that there were like people just
1:14:18
walking around just killing all my friends.
1:14:20
Like they felt real. I mean our guitar tech had a
1:14:23
had. A He was in a coma also and he
1:14:25
just had dreams where he vividly remembered his doctor, his
1:14:29
surgeon trying to kill him. So weird because of all the.
1:14:33
Fucking meds they put you on. Yeah, how do we know that was a
1:14:35
dream? I mean, to be fair, we don't
1:14:37
know. Doctors these days, yeah, we
1:14:38
don't. Know I guess.
1:14:39
That's fair and basing that on completely.
1:14:41
Nothing I know. I just wanted to find.
1:14:47
Something out fiber. Yeah, yeah.
1:14:49
Comment. Was like doctor here.
1:14:50
Actually, yeah, I try and kill loads of my bases and that
1:14:52
happens a lot and. I've watched too many fucking.
1:14:55
Movies doctors these days. OK, so you're.
1:15:00
In You're in the coma. You come out of the coma, Yeah.
1:15:04
And I. I'm not kidding you, this is
1:15:06
insane. More insane than Did I just do
1:15:10
this? This is the first thing I said.
1:15:12
When I came out. Of a coma was.
1:15:15
Get me a Pepsi stat, stat with stat quote.
1:15:22
That's real life. Give me a Pepsi stat you.
1:15:25
Said. Yes.
1:15:26
Do you like Pepsi? I fucking love Pepsi.
1:15:29
I. Kind of wish you would have said
1:15:30
no I fucking. Hate it?
1:15:31
Big Pepsi. Fan Yeah.
1:15:33
Well, evidently, yeah. First thing.
1:15:36
I said coming out of a coma was get me a Pepsi stat.
1:15:39
Jesus Christ. My my mom and.
1:15:41
Dad were right there to corroborate the story.
1:15:44
They probably fucking love that to be honest with.
1:15:45
You takes takes. A couple days to come out of
1:15:48
that and I was there unknowingly for I think two or three days
1:15:52
not knowing it was gone. I didn't know.
1:15:55
So what? You were there?
1:15:56
Are you like hanging? Out or are you like in?
1:16:00
The hospital bed like so just like, you know, coming out of
1:16:05
the coma medicine that I'm like just laying there, you know,
1:16:11
high as fuck basically. Is there conversations
1:16:13
happening? With people, yeah, I barely
1:16:15
remember them. But like, I remember Pepsi,
1:16:18
there's a Pepsi. Conversation.
1:16:19
I was insane. Is that that's the first
1:16:21
fucking. Thing I thought of that's crazy.
1:16:22
Pepsi, what's up? Priorities.
1:16:24
So yes, no offense. Kind of a shitty drink to like.
1:16:29
I like it. I don't know, I like.
1:16:31
Pepsi, I was about to die. Fuck I.
1:16:33
Nearly missed Pepsi. I'm a simple man.
1:16:37
No, it's. Fine, it's fine.
1:16:38
It's fine Carry. On yeah, so.
1:16:40
Once I finally got out of their, you know, coherent again, they,
1:16:45
they told me, I think it was, I don't know, it was my mom or my
1:16:49
dad. I think it was one of them that
1:16:50
said that they had to take the leg.
1:16:54
And I, I just remember like not allowing some again, some sort
1:17:06
of like fight or flight thing or maybe stubbornness or something
1:17:10
just made me not accept that it made me accept it, but say,
1:17:16
well, it's not going to stop me. I think that I just immediately
1:17:20
went into a mindset of. Don't look back at.
1:17:25
That just figure out how to but you but you did accept.
1:17:28
It straight away, but it was more of just like you're right
1:17:33
that you're that's exactly. What it was like, it was more
1:17:36
like just, OK, give me my phone and I was like the musicians.
1:17:41
Who've lost limbs? Disabled immediately.
1:17:43
Immediately. Yeah, obviously.
1:17:45
I knew like when they told me that I obviously, and I'm sure
1:17:48
anyone would say it, as the first one that comes to mind is
1:17:51
Rick Allen. Yeah, who I did end up
1:17:55
connecting with psychotic IRL. Yeah, yes.
1:17:59
There's a photo. He reached out to.
1:18:00
Him over social media I. Think first, right?
1:18:02
Yeah, we we chatted on like. Twitter DMS or something, but we
1:18:06
didn't one. It doesn't know Rick.
1:18:07
Allen Def Leppard lost his I believe he lost his arm in his
1:18:12
right arm in a car accident in a.
1:18:14
Was it a? Car accident.
1:18:15
Yeah, it was a car accident, yeah, but then we did Copenhill.
1:18:19
IN20202233 and they were one of the headliners and we were able
1:18:26
to our drum tech I think actually went up to someone in
1:18:28
their crew was like, hey, I actually think it was Nick was
1:18:30
it oh our. Our guitar tech, it was like.
1:18:31
Hey, like our drummer is an amputee.
1:18:33
They've talked before. Can you set up a time for them
1:18:36
to meet? And the heat.
1:18:37
Rick took time out of his day, came right out to hang out with
1:18:39
him. Of course he fucking did.
1:18:41
The man the. Man, so which?
1:18:43
Was very fucking cool of him to do.
1:18:44
Like he didn't have to do that, but I think that he remembered
1:18:47
talking to me and it was cool to actually just, you know, he
1:18:51
asked how I'm doing and how it's been going.
1:18:53
You look great, all that stuff. We chatted a minute, got a
1:18:56
photo. That's cool.
1:18:58
Super cool, Super cool. So.
1:19:00
Yeah, I just, I just was like, OK, it happened like I'm I'm
1:19:05
going to just figure it out. Like I I'm not going to wallow
1:19:08
in pity and you didn't and you're like.
1:19:11
I watched a video earlier on because I was like, let me just
1:19:13
have a little deep dive on these guys, check what they're up to.
1:19:17
But you're so tight, like tighter than me and I got 2
1:19:20
legs. That is not true.
1:19:21
I got. Two legs, mate.
1:19:23
I'm not tighter than you bro. You're like one of them slowing
1:19:26
me fucking. Down watching your videos.
1:19:28
You're so these guys. Cheating.
1:19:32
Yeah, there's less. To move all.
1:19:34
Right. I love that.
1:19:35
We're friends. I can make it.
1:19:38
He can say that. Yeah, he can say that.
1:19:41
No, but you're fucking. Killing it.
1:19:42
He appreciate it, man. Yeah, It's, it's it's.
1:19:44
Like crazy. You wouldn't.
1:19:45
Know if you were in the crowd, you wouldn't fucking know.
1:19:47
I I said earlier that. His dad saved the band with like
1:19:52
figuring out the hammer thing, but it's like it's, that's
1:19:55
obviously a massive part of it, right?
1:19:56
But like his like, unwillingness to not let it beat him like that
1:20:00
is really what saved it. Because like I, I, so I went in
1:20:05
to see him. In the hospital when he was
1:20:08
still in a coma. And at that point, his parents
1:20:11
were still like, we don't know what's going to happen.
1:20:14
I think that at that point, they knew that he was going to lose a
1:20:16
leg, right? But I think for the sake of like
1:20:18
my mental health, they were trying to give me a little bit
1:20:21
of hope to keep fighting. Right?
1:20:23
Yeah. And I went in to to see him and
1:20:25
he was still out. And I could, I mean, it's, it's
1:20:29
graphic to say, but like I could smell his leg dying in front of
1:20:32
me. Like I could tell I, they didn't
1:20:34
say it to me, but I could tell it was going to go just based on
1:20:38
being in the room with him, right.
1:20:40
And when I got the text that that he was going in for surgery
1:20:43
to lose his leg, my immediate thought was, fuck, I hate that
1:20:48
for him. That's also the end of the band.
1:20:51
Like I immediately I just would. Yeah, I just need to never been.
1:20:53
Done. Right.
1:20:54
The band's just done and I and I had already started the process
1:20:57
of accepting that. So, yes, his dad coming up with
1:21:01
the idea for the Hammer, like save the band, his determine
1:21:05
determination to not let this situation stop him from doing
1:21:09
this. That's what really saved the
1:21:10
band because his dad could have come up with that all day long.
1:21:13
But if he wasn't willing to figure out how to make it work,
1:21:15
like, there's no way this band was coming back like that is the
1:21:18
combination of those two things is what saved this band, for
1:21:20
sure. Hands down, hands down the
1:21:23
combo. Yeah, but it's.
1:21:24
Fucking I'm so sorry it happened to you guys as fuck.
1:21:27
And there was like I was talking about the other day.
1:21:30
It was like the the two that stick out in my head of people
1:21:34
that I like know or have toured with.
1:21:37
Obviously there's been more, but like the decapitated bus crash
1:21:40
2006 and you guys had 2016, 2015, 2015 and like, it's just
1:21:49
and obviously Metallica, but I in in my life, people that are
1:21:53
in your circle. Yeah.
1:21:53
All right. Like and I'm sure.
1:21:55
There's more that I've fucking forgotten, but because it's.
1:21:58
But it's those two in particular, and in particular
1:22:02
yours is like I've. Never felt comfortable.
1:22:06
On a bus again, how do you guys deal with that?
1:22:10
I mean, I've I think it. For me, I've just accepted how
1:22:13
freak of an accident it is. And it's like I try to think
1:22:16
about it as like, you know, they say lightning doesn't strike in
1:22:19
the same same place twice, which obviously it fucking can.
1:22:22
There's always a chance of that right?
1:22:24
But I just accept how fucking freak of a of an incident it was
1:22:28
and I just accept that it's highly unlikely that it'll
1:22:32
happen just again. Now, we did have we did have a
1:22:35
situation. We had another scare.
1:22:36
Oh yeah, we. We got in another.
1:22:38
Minor two years ago. Two years ago, that fucking
1:22:41
happened. We had a we.
1:22:43
Had a double driver. In Europe that was a fucking dip
1:22:45
shit. Driving driving.
1:22:47
Wonder if it's the same guy. Driving through Driving through
1:22:50
a. Fucking construction zone and.
1:22:52
Hit something and like. Swerved real hard and like him
1:22:55
and I were across the hall from each other in the bunks and we
1:22:57
both whipped our curtain. We thought.
1:22:58
We were dying again, and I, I. Literally had.
1:23:01
AI did genuinely have a moment that I said it's fucking
1:23:04
happening again. Yep, but a second of that.
1:23:06
Yep, but. I've just accepted.
1:23:08
That like it's such a freak accident it would be almost
1:23:11
fucking impossible for it to happen again.
1:23:14
How about you? Yeah, same.
1:23:15
And if it does, it better take. Me out this time.
1:23:17
That's the other side too, is if it's not.
1:23:19
Again, just kill me. Dad can make something.
1:23:22
Indestructible. Boss, your dad.
1:23:24
Bringing you fucking. Back to life.
1:23:27
Yeah, like. No, for real though, he's still
1:23:30
gonna play. He's fucking.
1:23:31
Dead. Yeah.
1:23:32
I made a robot exoskeleton. I am.
1:23:35
I am a head. I am.
1:23:37
I'm just consciousness like the movie Transcendence.
1:23:40
But but you don't I mean. Do you have trauma from it?
1:23:43
Because if I feel like my trauma would be getting on a bus again.
1:23:46
But you seem quite cool with it, you know, I don't know if it's
1:23:49
like stubbornness. But it's like I can survive a
1:23:51
bus accident. You know?
1:23:52
What it was for me for up until maybe a year ago was fucking
1:23:57
flying, which never in my life before that.
1:24:00
You will die. You are 100.
1:24:02
Percent. Guaranteed to die.
1:24:04
Yeah, that one doesn't. You've got kids.
1:24:06
I got kids. You got kids?
1:24:08
No, I've got kids. I've got a wife.
1:24:10
And it's it's the not being in control.
1:24:13
And I guess I know that sounds crazy where I should be scared
1:24:16
of the bus because I've been through a horrific situation
1:24:19
like that. But I feel like it's this weird
1:24:21
part of me is like, well, you've already lived there at once.
1:24:23
Like you'll be fine. A plane if it goes down, I'm
1:24:26
fucking dead no matter what. This is why I'm Dick.
1:24:28
What about you? You got.
1:24:29
You got trauma from me, you know I.
1:24:32
Obviously I'm got a leg. That's some trauma.
1:24:34
The only thing I don't have is a leg.
1:24:37
No, I, I, I don't know what it is man.
1:24:39
I just. All I know is that I.
1:24:43
Didn't want. I wasn't going to let my dream
1:24:48
that I'm currently living still today be done because of
1:24:51
something unless I want it to be done so being.
1:24:56
On a tour. Bus is part of the dream and I'm
1:25:00
not done and I'm I didn't want to be done and it was as simple
1:25:04
as that for me to just be like 1.
1:25:08
Day at a time figure. This out and then get back out
1:25:10
there and I don't know if it's more complicated than that.
1:25:14
That's really my thought process behind it.
1:25:16
It really seems like you. Both mentally quite well off.
1:25:21
Like probably better than we should be to something.
1:25:23
That's what I'm saying in my. Head I'd be like, now that be
1:25:26
it. I'm not doing it fucking ever
1:25:27
again. I mean, I think maybe I
1:25:29
wouldn't. Maybe.
1:25:30
It takes. Maybe I'm more scared than than
1:25:33
you now because I didn't live through it just to get on a bus.
1:25:36
You would never know until it happened.
1:25:38
Through it, you would never know.
1:25:39
You don't think about it, and then it happens, and then you.
1:25:42
One thing, too, swear to God, is the outpouring of support.
1:25:46
Oh, that was a huge part of it from everyone.
1:25:48
Yeah, we made. You a song.
1:25:49
You did you. Guys, you did a song.
1:25:51
Fucking was awesome. Thank you for doing it, it's my
1:25:53
first stray song. I.
1:25:54
Cried. No.
1:25:55
No way really. Thank you for doing that.
1:25:57
That was that. That was it was.
1:25:58
It was programmed. But shit, shit like that, it was
1:26:01
a. Huge part of like what helped us
1:26:03
get through. I cried like legitimately yeah.
1:26:05
And and and. Seeing all of our peers that
1:26:08
like donated, I think bring me the horizon donated like 10
1:26:14
grand to our GoFundMe because they said they wanted eyes on
1:26:17
it. They want people to be aware of
1:26:18
what happened and it and it did and it helped.
1:26:22
It helped especially vigil cover like I mean a.
1:26:27
Million plus in hospital. Bills what the fuck like dude
1:26:30
crazy the support we had epitaph stopped just like they just they
1:26:34
just made all of the royalties go like go to go straight to us
1:26:38
or. They did that.
1:26:40
They did that. From the time.
1:26:41
Of the accident. All the way up to like a month
1:26:43
before the comeback record came out and they just, they just
1:26:46
fucking time. Yeah, you guys need it right
1:26:48
now, dude. What do we need to do, dude?
1:26:50
Like that. That kind of.
1:26:51
Support in a community coming together, like fucking literally
1:26:55
made it go well, if I wasn't already.
1:26:57
Just like I want to do it for myself enough.
1:26:59
I got to fucking do it right. We got to do it, Yeah, for it's
1:27:02
in our corner for everyone that's pushing.
1:27:04
For it and. Man that made a comeback.
1:27:07
You also just got paid royalties.
1:27:08
For the first time, yeah, no joke.
1:27:11
For a whole minute, yeah, man, that was nice.
1:27:13
Yeah, it was it legit? Helped me.
1:27:16
Like when I was able to drive again with the prosthetic leg,
1:27:20
it helped me get like I did like a three lease, three-year lease
1:27:24
on a Silverado until I would bought a car eventually.
1:27:28
But because of epitaph solely, I was able to gain a massive part
1:27:33
of my independence back by being able to like drive myself around
1:27:37
as an adult again. Is there a moderation?
1:27:39
To the car or is it? Nope, it's the same I.
1:27:42
Just drive, I guess. We're in America.
1:27:43
It's fucking. Well, I you know, they have a
1:27:45
lot. Of mods.
1:27:46
They have like hand controls where you can gas and break.
1:27:48
I was like, I don't want any of that.
1:27:50
Motherfucker can play Double Kick I.
1:27:51
Don't need that shit. I I just, I just tuck.
1:27:54
The prosthetic and I drive with my left Oh yeah yeah.
1:27:57
So I just. Gas break and here.
1:27:59
I am fucking up all the stuff again.
1:28:00
Reframe, cut it. I'm just kidding.
1:28:03
Thought it was going. To get a pop.
1:28:04
Yeah, exactly. That's crazy.
1:28:07
Bro. Bro that's.
1:28:09
Crazy drink. Monster.
1:28:13
Simon No, Leave that in. It's.
1:28:16
Funny, yeah, but you telling me this horrific story Both I.
1:28:23
Had my me just. Going oh, that's crazy, bro,
1:28:25
crazy, that's crazy. Let's cut this in.
1:28:29
That's. Crazy bro.
1:28:32
How? Did you come out of this?
1:28:33
Dude, I see. You've got 2 legs.
1:28:34
I hate, I hate bringing it up. Because it's always you pop as
1:28:38
long as. I get pop as you can pop for.
1:28:40
No that's fine. That was a deserved.
1:28:42
Pop, I feel bad even bringing it up compared to like what he said
1:28:46
or even like any any like I have My list of injuries is so
1:28:50
minimal compared to like more than half of our band and crew.
1:28:53
Like I I had two broken ankles and I I shattered like my entire
1:28:58
right foot and they had to like basically rebuild it, but it was
1:29:01
sucks. Oh no, don't get me wrong, it
1:29:02
fucking sucks, but by comparison, like dude, I fucking
1:29:06
I ran a 5K last year. Like I run for fun like I still
1:29:10
have in. What's that fucking crazy, man?
1:29:13
I'm so I'm so sorry. Brother, I'm so.
1:29:14
Sorry, please forgive me. How was?
1:29:16
We're old friends. We're old.
1:29:16
Friends. We're old friends.
1:29:18
How was your five Ki so I. I.
1:29:22
I deserve that. I deserve that.
1:29:23
I'm. Proud of you.
1:29:25
Yeah. It's good.
1:29:25
Yeah. Yeah.
1:29:26
So broke. Both ankles I.
1:29:27
Mean because you know you're fucking laying feet first when
1:29:30
you come to a hard stop, you fucking slide into the front,
1:29:33
you know, so broke, both ankles shattered my right foot, broken
1:29:37
ribs like you climb out of that thing and.
1:29:40
Then you like, walk on these broken angles.
1:29:42
You said you're. You're what?
1:29:45
Was like, Oh my, my right foot was.
1:29:46
Fucking dude that's yeah fucking crazy this is.
1:29:49
Horrible. And I'm.
1:29:50
Gonna I'm gonna have nightmares. I had a break in my foot that.
1:29:53
It's called a Lis Frank fracture, and it's named after
1:29:56
one of Napoleon's generals. And it's what used to happen to
1:30:02
soldiers when they would fight on horseback, when their horse
1:30:04
would flip over and their foot would get caught in the stirrup
1:30:06
and bend their foot in half. My foot folded in half at some
1:30:09
point in the accident. I thought you meant Lisa Frank,
1:30:11
I thought. You said Anne Frank like the.
1:30:12
Fun. Call that one.
1:30:14
Either and they call. It Anne Frank.
1:30:16
Fracture. Where is that going?
1:30:19
And fracture is the less popular.
1:30:20
Frank. Yeah, dude, it's my, it sucked.
1:30:24
Like I'm not going to act like it didn't suck.
1:30:25
Like I was fully like wheelchair bound for for months.
1:30:29
Like it fucking sucked. I had to learn to walk again.
1:30:31
Like it wasn't fun. But like when I think about like
1:30:33
what he had to go through or like what?
1:30:35
Like Zach had like 16 hours of surgery on his pelvis alone.
1:30:38
Like they like, they like piece back together like shattered
1:30:41
glass, tiny little sizes of pieces of bone and Zacks.
1:30:44
Where was Knack on the bus? He was.
1:30:46
He was across the hall from. Me and not not.
1:30:48
A lot of I. I wonder if, like, not a lot of
1:30:51
people know that Zach lost like, half of his foot.
1:30:53
Yeah, he he is. I know.
1:30:55
Was the first time I ever. Met him?
1:30:57
Yeah. Did he show it to you?
1:30:58
He showed it to me immediately. We used to do.
1:31:00
I feel like Zach hates me. Does Zach hate he he gets
1:31:02
brother before I joined the. Band, I thought Zach fucking
1:31:05
hated me. He's just, he's just a stone
1:31:07
faced. I mean, I saw him with.
1:31:09
Half a foot about six months after an accident.
1:31:11
Yeah, that makes sense. He we would do something.
1:31:14
Called a nub. Rub.
1:31:17
OK, OK, so. Which is a category on Pornhub,
1:31:20
is it? Well, it is now it could it?
1:31:22
Wasn't nub bro so? His.
1:31:24
His. Foot the little like piece
1:31:27
that's cut out. Perfect shape for my nub, really
1:31:29
just goes slots in. There, Yeah.
1:31:31
Puzzle piece. Yeah, like a fucking.
1:31:33
Some sort of power? Rangers looking adorable and
1:31:35
and. And Vigil.
1:31:36
'S buddy Armand, who was on the bus with us, lost some toes.
1:31:39
He calls that foot choppy. He calls that one choppy and he
1:31:42
would get. In on a nub rub and so.
1:31:43
It'd be a three-way nub rub. Three-way nub rub.
1:31:46
And also everything's fine. It's these.
1:31:50
Psychotic. Things that we do to get through
1:31:52
this kind of shit together. You're you're.
1:31:55
I mean, it's a testament to like, it's gonna sound cheesy,
1:31:59
but like, musicians just want to make music.
1:32:03
Yeah, dude. I think any other profession on
1:32:05
earth would be like would be like maybe.
1:32:07
Enough of this. OK, Yeah.
1:32:08
This profession nearly killed me.
1:32:11
Yep. Yeah.
1:32:12
I'm out. Gonna stop.
1:32:13
I was, you know, we. Were nowhere near.
1:32:15
Done even Even. After all of that, I.
1:32:18
Still love this shit just as much as I did when I got into it
1:32:20
as a teenager. Like I have no desire to stop.
1:32:24
I just don't. Yeah, at all.
1:32:27
I think I love it more. Oh, I.
1:32:28
Don't have a band, guys. So rub that in.
1:32:30
You want to join? You've had an accident.
1:32:32
I don't have. A.
1:32:33
We'll be the first you. Got to turn it around.
1:32:35
We'll. Be the first.
1:32:36
Another chord band with two. Drummers, you want to join?
1:32:38
Oh wow, I'll do. No, I.
1:32:40
Was going. To say I'll do right foot, you
1:32:42
do left foot, but you don't even fucking need me.
1:32:44
You don't need me. Do you think if it was the left
1:32:48
foot, I do think it would be easier, yeah.
1:32:50
We do so much. Right.
1:32:52
It's the dominant right? Aside Kirk.
1:32:54
It's then. Again, who the fuck knows.
1:32:55
What it what if because it's my left and I'm not as dominant
1:32:59
with it, It was like way harder. I don't know.
1:33:01
Hypothetical, yeah. Absolutely.
1:33:04
Morbid. Hypothetical, right?
1:33:06
Hit me. Leg or arm.
1:33:08
You know what? And.
1:33:10
I have a really good friend. His name is Jason Barnes.
1:33:13
He plays drums with an arm. Is that the soy Soy and what's?
1:33:17
His. Let's get his hat.
1:33:19
What? Cyber Cybernet X Cybernet.
1:33:21
X he has. A he.
1:33:23
Has a nonprofit called Limitless Foundation and their whole goal
1:33:29
is to support underinsured or not insured amputees disabled to
1:33:35
play music, get instruments. It's fucking incredible.
1:33:38
Hand the legend our friend Matt Bankston, they they run it
1:33:42
together. We actually did some content at
1:33:44
Pearl that'll be coming pretty soon.
1:33:47
When I watch him play with one arm and a device that he made,
1:33:50
he made a a device on his arm that has like a stick with a it
1:33:55
looks like it's like a pedal, like a pedal spring.
1:33:58
And the when he does this, it gives it like I've seen it and
1:34:02
he can. Play like that dude, it's
1:34:03
fucking awesome. I would rather.
1:34:06
Have the leg. I.
1:34:07
Would Yeah. I, I, I, I can't imagine how it
1:34:13
is to play drums with because it starts with the arms.
1:34:17
Doesn't. It it was made, I would.
1:34:18
I actually never asked. I want to ask Jason that next
1:34:21
time he thinks what? What would you rather do?
1:34:23
You want to swap, right? Yeah.
1:34:25
Hey buddy, you want? To try swapping.
1:34:26
For a day. Dude, yeah, he has.
1:34:28
No way, he says. Yes, because he's overcome it
1:34:30
and you've overcome it and you can't comprehend the other
1:34:33
person, right? He has a nonprofit that's for
1:34:36
specifically, yes, helping people get into music.
1:34:38
It's called Limitless. You can look it up.
1:34:40
He is doing very cool things. He's super super smart and
1:34:45
driven to do it. It's literally all self funded
1:34:48
and just the fucking man. Here's what I want to do.
1:34:52
And I want you, I'm going to tell you because I want you to
1:34:55
hold me to it, that this Pearl pedal fucking thing, whatever it
1:34:59
is, assuming it goes on, I'm assuming it's going to go on
1:35:03
sale. I want to buy.
1:35:05
One of those for someone. That would be fucking awesome.
1:35:07
I think we can do that. I think we can.
1:35:08
Do some cool things so when whenever it comes.
1:35:11
Out yeah, but I don't want some guy to pretend I ain't got a leg
1:35:15
and it ends up he has got a fucking leg.
1:35:17
So I want you to hit me up if you get someone to come to you
1:35:21
or anything like that and it's available.
1:35:24
I would like to do that for some love it.
1:35:25
I'm bar off the downbeat and the fucking patriot.
1:35:28
Like incredible. Yes, I love that.
1:35:29
Do you want? To have another.
1:35:30
Shot. I'm down, cheers.
1:35:32
Cheers. I haven't drank this much on the
1:35:39
podcast and so. Long.
1:35:40
We're very competitive. Paper cut, paper cut, paper cut.
1:35:43
Oh. I.
1:35:44
Didn't do the God. Damn it, Craig.
1:35:47
Ruin the moment and that made it really nice.
1:35:50
Thank you Monster. Also thank.
1:35:51
You Aaron Gillespie. Aaron Gillespie and Monster
1:35:53
coming in. Coming in clutch there and thank
1:35:55
you Downbeat for having. Us.
1:35:57
Yes, I've been. Thank you.
1:35:58
This has felt like 10 minutes. And it's been really two hours.
1:36:01
I can't believe it's been 2 hours.
1:36:02
I want to keep. Going.
1:36:03
But I mean, we can keep going. We got it.
1:36:05
We got to sleep. I know you have to.
1:36:06
Sleep but I but you. Actually turned up early.
1:36:08
It's midnight. Let me check my notes.
1:36:10
It doesn't. It doesn't feel like that.
1:36:12
Yeah, check your notes for the first time all episodes.
1:36:14
Professional podcaster over here, love it.
1:36:16
I. Mean eagle eyed.
1:36:17
Viewers will see that I had an iPad for this last week and I
1:36:20
forgot to bring it. You want to just be fun for a
1:36:23
bit? Sure, yes, because we talked a
1:36:25
little bit about movies. I fucking love movies.
1:36:27
I sort of wish this was a movie podcast, but what I like about
1:36:30
it is it's not, and I can just talk to musicians about and
1:36:34
it'll end up lending itself. I feel like all of us love.
1:36:36
Movies too. So it's I feel like it's an easy
1:36:38
topic to to bring up with anybody who plays in the band.
1:36:41
I think it's like an. Appreciated 2nd art form that I
1:36:45
could never do Yep. But yeah, I feel like, yeah, I'm
1:36:48
on. Boys probably do it.
1:36:50
Yeah, Chris known as my. Boy, we're in the same.
1:36:51
Yeah, no, I'm gonna say I did what he does.
1:36:54
But music? Yeah, I'm the best actor.
1:36:56
No one knows. You fucking telling you?
1:36:59
I wish what? Happened to it.
1:37:00
When are you going? To do a sketch.
1:37:01
Show at some. Point I was going to say he.
1:37:04
I think you got rid of it. I did.
1:37:06
He had a sketch YouTube channel for a little bit before the
1:37:10
accident and he got rid of it, which bones me up because it was
1:37:13
fucking awesome. I have pages of sketches in my.
1:37:15
Notes app because it was not as our friend Adam would say.
1:37:17
It was not good. It was it.
1:37:20
Was good, I did it. In.
1:37:22
We had that. It was a weird pocket of
1:37:24
downtime for the band. I always find these other things
1:37:27
to do when we have a lot of downtime just to so I can not
1:37:30
stay sane, go insane. So but I was pre.
1:37:34
Extreme downtime. Oh, yeah.
1:37:36
It was like right before it, yeah.
1:37:37
Actually, yeah, it was. It was that like late summer
1:37:39
before it. Some say it was the catalyst.
1:37:41
That's. Right, some say.
1:37:43
We probably. We probably.
1:37:44
Deserved it, huh? Good pop.
1:37:46
Get a pop. Good pop got a good.
1:37:48
Pop from Madison as well. I'm I'm not I'm actually pulling
1:37:51
out my notes, but I do have the whole entire notes folder of
1:37:57
sketches. If you ever want to restart
1:38:00
this, you should. I have like I would.
1:38:02
Fucking love to. See the two of you.
1:38:03
Maybe we should. Maybe we should just.
1:38:05
Do it. Here's my issue with it because
1:38:06
I've. Genuinely thought about it.
1:38:08
You got the cameras I know I've got.
1:38:10
The cameras. But here's the.
1:38:10
Problem. And here's where I think someone
1:38:12
like do you like, I think you should leave.
1:38:14
Sure, obviously. Yeah, because it's the.
1:38:17
Best. It's the best Carmen sketch
1:38:20
show. It's a fucking it's amazing.
1:38:22
Fucking good. But like, here's why it works.
1:38:25
They don't look like us. They look like normal people.
1:38:29
Yeah, a lot of my sketches rely on not looking like me, and I've
1:38:34
stupidly made myself look like this.
1:38:36
But if you think about Tim Robinson's Not in All.
1:38:37
Of those sketches, you just find people to do them and you just,
1:38:41
you just direct it and I read it.
1:38:42
But majority of them are. Him.
1:38:45
Yeah, yeah, yeah, he kills it. Yeah.
1:38:47
Like I got shit about like a yoga teacher and shit like that.
1:38:50
But I don't have that look and I don't trust anyone else to pull
1:38:53
it off like a fucking. I think you just do it and just.
1:38:56
I unironically lean into it and the elephant in the room is that
1:39:00
you do look put together, fit, handsome, tattooed, swaggy.
1:39:06
Look at that. That's right.
1:39:07
Really nice. The really what was.
1:39:09
Happening right now was. Brother was fishing for
1:39:11
compliments, all of them. I wasn't.
1:39:13
Fishing, he got. All of them in.
1:39:15
One but like I think. You that you just.
1:39:17
You just do it anyway. I'm gonna save you my.
1:39:20
Sketch notes and you can give me notes.
1:39:22
Some of them I think are really fucking funny and I've been
1:39:24
writing these for like 5 years. I love it.
1:39:26
OK, you are a funny. Motherfucker, you are.
1:39:28
So it would be. It would be fun dude, coming
1:39:30
from you. You know what pops up in my
1:39:32
fucking? You or Instagram feed every now
1:39:35
and then is you on Seth Meyers and and you making John John
1:39:38
Oliver crack up and you fucking love it so much.
1:39:42
You were so I love it so. Much you when?
1:39:45
He you you gave like the. Joke back right away.
1:39:47
It's like you should have. It's like you were the house
1:39:49
drummer. Yeah.
1:39:50
Do you want to know the back story?
1:39:51
Yes. Because there's a cut.
1:39:53
I I always did, you know? Oh.
1:39:55
OK, so no. And the cut?
1:39:57
Isn't the joke. This is what's funny.
1:40:00
OK, so the night before I'm doing night one of Seth Meyers,
1:40:04
bear in mind there's only I think there's maybe like 10 out
1:40:09
of 100 or so No, I don't want to It may be 10% of the dramas that
1:40:14
were on there ever got a guest to speak to them and in. 2 I
1:40:19
did. Two weeks, one week in 2022 and
1:40:21
one in 2023 and I got a guest both times to speak to me which
1:40:24
is fucking crazy. I need to do it.
1:40:26
Did it twice, one of like 3 people twice the fucking nailed
1:40:31
it the first time. But OK so the night before the
1:40:35
first, the first fucking show and I've got nothing.
1:40:37
I've got no idea what's happening because you just turn
1:40:39
up at 11 AM and they tell you one the day and I get told Yep.
1:40:46
You're going to learn the songs, the.
1:40:47
Morning of you're going to actually write.
1:40:48
You write the songs with the band at 11 AM and then you play
1:40:52
them in front of a live studio audience of four.
1:40:55
So you actually get that's a. Decent fucking I would have a
1:40:59
panic attacker. He caught money.
1:41:00
But the guys are. So fucking good.
1:41:03
Oh, there, there's professional guys.
1:41:04
So professional So. Nice that they're just like OK,
1:41:08
you want to do we got this guest and then you have an in joke
1:41:11
about the guest and then someone goes it.
1:41:15
Sounds like we should do like a smooth.
1:41:17
Jazz intro because of the injury you just had a conversation,
1:41:21
right? Maybe it's even just the guest's
1:41:23
name and someone says that sounds like a dinosaur.
1:41:26
Let's make it fucking rock. That's how it starts you write
1:41:29
it and that's it. Night before I'm with Jesse
1:41:32
Barnett from sticks your guns in a bar.
1:41:36
He's not drinking straight edge in New York because they just
1:41:39
played Gramercy and he's like, are you excited and all this
1:41:44
stuff? And I'm like, I'm fucking
1:41:45
homeless. And he's like, who's the guest
1:41:46
tomorrow? And I was like John Oliver.
1:41:49
And he goes in. This is 24 hours before he goes,
1:41:53
what are you going to say if he asked you about the Queen
1:41:55
because the Queen had just died. And I was like, there's no way
1:41:59
he's going to ask me, right? And you get given, what would
1:42:01
you say? And I was like, I don't know.
1:42:02
I didn't know her. And he fucking he, I got a pop.
1:42:06
I got popped like immediately from Jesse because I'm just
1:42:09
talking to myself. He was like, what are you going
1:42:11
to say is I don't know. I didn't know.
1:42:12
And he fucking popped. And then that was that.
1:42:15
And then I'm on set the next day we're filming.
1:42:20
And what happens is you wrote the songs in the morning and
1:42:22
they record them. And then while the guest is
1:42:24
getting interviewed, they're playing you the song you're
1:42:26
about to play. So you're not listening to the
1:42:28
interview, they're playing you the song.
1:42:31
And so I'm listening to the song that's going to take us to the
1:42:33
outbreak and I'm like listening to it.
1:42:37
And I look up and entire studio audience, John Oliver and Seth
1:42:42
Meyers are all looking at me. That's my worst nightmare and I.
1:42:45
Pull out my ear. Because I've got my ear ears in
1:42:48
listening to the song and I like, all right, that to the
1:42:53
entire NBC audience. And then John just delivers what
1:42:58
he just said to me. But I didn't hear him again.
1:43:02
And he goes, sorry for our loss. How how do you feel about the
1:43:06
green? And I went and then my brain
1:43:09
went I fucking I was talking. I've got a line for this.
1:43:11
I was talking to Jesse yesterday.
1:43:13
It just literally I don't know. I didn't know her.
1:43:15
That's fucking incredible. He.
1:43:17
Popped. Seth popped the whole fucking
1:43:19
team pop but but there is a car where I go.
1:43:23
What? Because I don't know what he was
1:43:25
saying. Legit couldn't hear him.
1:43:27
Is there a? Part of you that went I should
1:43:29
write. Sketches for SNL I should write
1:43:31
jokes for SNL. After that I made two SNL guys
1:43:33
pop so Eric the. Producer who's now a close
1:43:36
friend of mine. He's a drummer, he's a fucking
1:43:38
metalhead. He's a great guy.
1:43:39
He like, I was like, let's get me a line tomorrow.
1:43:43
Like every day I was like, let's do this.
1:43:46
And then there was one other like the the next time I did it,
1:43:50
Tracy Morgan comes. On stage and.
1:43:54
Then he's like fucking giving some shit to Seth and then he's
1:43:58
like, oh, me and. Craig, go way back.
1:44:01
Tracy Moore. Tracy Moore.
1:44:03
And then? And then and then Seth goes,
1:44:06
yeah, you know, Craig the drama. And he's like, yeah, we what did
1:44:09
he say? He says we go, we go back like
1:44:14
spinal cords in car seats. And then I.
1:44:18
Said. Have you still got that?
1:44:21
Five of you on. Me amazing.
1:44:23
And he was. Like no, I'll pay you next.
1:44:25
Week and I said you said that last week, right?
1:44:29
Yeah, but fucking perfect. But.
1:44:31
Because. Of I don't.
1:44:33
Think I saw that no so but. Because of.
1:44:35
Either it was either Mike's or it really cut away from the
1:44:39
interview. It got caught everything.
1:44:41
It wasn't actually. It wasn't actually on there.
1:44:43
Yeah, I didn't hear it didn't. Oh, that's.
1:44:45
Amazing, yeah. But like I can't.
1:44:47
Like, honestly, I don't think I could think that quickly.
1:44:52
No way. It.
1:44:54
Was riffing with me like that. I'd be like Tracy.
1:44:58
Morgan one I. Will take the full credit for if
1:45:01
I hadn't had that chat with Jesse Barnett I would have
1:45:04
probably thrown it was very was same one.
1:45:06
It was still your idea though. No, but I said I don't.
1:45:09
Think I would have got it like I got it, sure, because I.
1:45:12
Remember. Thinking much like you in that
1:45:15
car crash, wouldn't you nearly died.
1:45:17
I remember thinking it's totally the same.
1:45:22
Thing I. Remember thinking that.
1:45:26
So when he goes, when he goes, we're all.
1:45:30
Mates, everyone's. Cracking up, we're mates, we're
1:45:33
mates, it's fine. When he said sorry about our
1:45:38
loss, about the Queen, I remember in my head sorry that I
1:45:42
fucking in any way related. Oh no, you're totally fine.
1:45:46
Literally. You're we're playing out of the
1:45:48
bit right now. You're fine.
1:45:49
I was trying to get a pop. It got such a fucking bop.
1:45:55
I. I remember vividly like.
1:45:58
It was a fucking and not to make it sound anything like it, but
1:46:02
it was like time slowed down but it was like, I would think my.
1:46:10
I can relate. I'm gonna fucking piss myself.
1:46:17
My brain went, Oh my God, yeah, I know.
1:46:20
I'm gonna say it. Yeah, I'm going to say the thing
1:46:24
that I said last night and it was sorry, but didn't it happen
1:46:27
like. That yeah, yeah.
1:46:30
I was like, please don't relate this to the thing I don't think
1:46:34
I would have. Like the wit to think that on my
1:46:37
fucking word. I don't know man.
1:46:39
He. Would.
1:46:40
He's. The king of.
1:46:41
Bits he would. Yeah, I don't know.
1:46:42
I I he's downplaying, I think. I had no I really do struggle
1:46:46
with quickness like that. I'm not sure I.
1:46:50
Agree with that, not. At all.
1:46:51
Yeah. No, Quick as fuck.
1:46:52
He's quick as fuck. I crush.
1:46:54
Yeah, you crush, right? There was a few other funny
1:46:56
moments on there. Not to make this all about me.
1:46:58
Not do it. And Hathaway is like one of my
1:47:01
old, old, like, like a child. Celebrity crush.
1:47:06
Anne Hathaway was on the show, and Eric, the producer, told her
1:47:12
that the drama that's filling in the band has a crush on you.
1:47:16
And she fucking comes out and winks at me.
1:47:20
And I'm playing. I'm playing Rock beat 1 fuck up
1:47:24
immediately on live TV. I'm going boot.
1:47:28
She comes out and winks at me like that and I went no get
1:47:31
over. I was like fucking someone shot
1:47:35
me game. Over.
1:47:36
It was fucking insane. I do that every night in our
1:47:38
set. Well, he does.
1:47:41
Because we give him a pass, We give him a pass just because of
1:47:44
the leg you have such. A butt.
1:47:45
I don't have a boss. Sometimes my right legs playing
1:47:48
up and I'm like I got no excuse. Dude, you posted the fucking.
1:47:53
Dude, the thing you posted, the other.
1:47:58
Day they can't wait to hear this.
1:47:59
It's did you see what he posted? I forget what beat you were
1:48:02
playing. It was super sick and then it
1:48:03
just answered him on well, that was dumb.
1:48:06
It was the. Blast meeting.
1:48:08
Yeah, yeah. Oh.
1:48:09
Yeah, it was like and then it. Just stopped and he goes, well
1:48:13
that was dumb. It's because it was.
1:48:15
It was a song. I was supposed to be learning
1:48:17
and I was like, and everyone was like, it was on stream and
1:48:20
everyone was in the chat and I was like, should I learn the
1:48:22
parts properly, blah, blah, blah.
1:48:24
And then I was just like, should I just blast beat over the whole
1:48:26
song? And everyone went yeah.
1:48:28
And I was like, really fucking good clip.
1:48:30
It's good. I saw that one.
1:48:31
That's good. Good pop.
1:48:33
Good pop Good pop. They got a good pop.
1:48:35
Great fucking pop. What you got coming up?
1:48:37
We might as well do some promotion.
1:48:39
This has been delightful by the way, man, it went by.
1:48:42
I knew it was going. To be fun, yeah.
1:48:44
I don't know. What do we have coming?
1:48:46
Up. We got a lot of like flying
1:48:49
stuff. Yeah, because I said that we
1:48:51
were going to talk about. Movies and we didn't even
1:48:54
fucking touch it at all. Yeah, I.
1:48:57
Freaking love. Castaway man I freaking love.
1:49:02
That shit. I love idle hands.
1:49:05
Weird science. Maybe we step out and just let
1:49:07
him talk. About movies for a minute it's
1:49:09
like empty here and I'm just. Naming Naming movies.
1:49:13
Crosshair. Wait, wait, wait.
1:49:14
Tell me. What you got coming?
1:49:15
Up, then we'll do movies, and then we'll stop.
1:49:17
What Sonic Temple in May? Oh, I'm going to be there.
1:49:20
We're going to be there. Are you doing all the Danny?
1:49:22
Wimmer stuff this year. Wait, what?
1:49:24
Are you every every day of it? Down beats.
1:49:27
At Wimmers. That's so sick, are you doing?
1:49:30
Episodes at it. Yeah, that's fucking cool.
1:49:32
Second to last day. Of Sonic Temple with Architects
1:49:35
OH. My God, what?
1:49:36
Day with the text. I'm taking the day.
1:49:38
Off, yeah. Yeah, to be with the boys.
1:49:40
Yep. So.
1:49:41
We're there that day. What else?
1:49:42
We got Warped Tour, Yeah. So a lot of this year is just
1:49:45
about. Writing like we're like so
1:49:47
overdue for a record. So we we do have our our year's
1:49:52
pretty light this year on purpose just so we can focus on
1:49:54
a record. But yeah, we do.
1:49:56
Sonic Temple, we have a festival in Quebec, Festival OLAC or
1:50:01
something like that. It's us and Ginger and a bunch
1:50:03
of, it's actually a realistic lineup.
1:50:05
That's in June, Yeah. And then the following weekend
1:50:07
we do Warp tour in DC and they do Warp Tour in California, and
1:50:11
then we fly right over to do like the August festival circuit
1:50:14
in Europe. Oh, the good one.
1:50:16
We haven't, is it? Is it fun?
1:50:17
We've. Never done it.
1:50:19
I mean, they're both good. Why did they say that British
1:50:21
and why? Did I say the good one?
1:50:23
When they're both good, they're both great.
1:50:24
Is it fun but I? But your accent is so good, why
1:50:27
did? I go is it fun?
1:50:29
But I I go, I go. Is it fun like like American?
1:50:32
No, but if fuck was your accent. So.
1:50:34
Good, that's so. Funny.
1:50:36
We go on August full force, so full force is gone, I think.
1:50:40
It's done. Yeah, which is a bummer.
1:50:42
We got some cancer. Summer Breeze.
1:50:44
I think it's gone for good. We don't have a breeze.
1:50:46
Great. Brutal assault.
1:50:48
Yes, I think so. Great.
1:50:50
There's a couple. In there I know I'm forgetting.
1:50:52
Which I'm I feel really bad about.
1:50:53
We're good shit. Bloodstock is that.
1:50:55
In there we're not doing, unfortunately not.
1:50:57
Bloodstock. No, but it.
1:50:58
It's there's something we're doing in the Czech Republic.
1:51:00
The same day there's there's a conflict.
1:51:02
We tried to make it work, it didn't work out.
1:51:03
They're all good. Yeah, it's all good.
1:51:05
We're. Excited.
1:51:05
So we've done that. We've done the like.
1:51:07
The the like June, July 1 a million times and never done any
1:51:11
of the like late July into August ones before.
1:51:13
So we're like, fuck it, we'll go.
1:51:15
We'll go rock those. So yeah.
1:51:17
Have you done? I'm sorry, no.
1:51:19
For the record, the the June. Circuit Rock'em Ring Download
1:51:22
Grass Pop. My favorite thing Go did in life
1:51:25
to do in a band ever. It's the one thing I miss the
1:51:28
most. Yeah, it's the most
1:51:30
unbelievable. Experience as long as you get
1:51:32
them all. As long as you get them all,
1:51:34
yeah. Isn't it fucking?
1:51:35
I suppose you don't know, but sometimes Stray will do it and
1:51:39
it's like, oh, we didn't get an offer from Hellfest.
1:51:42
Sorry, what? We didn't get Hellfest last
1:51:44
year. Yeah.
1:51:44
We neither did we, Yeah. Right in.
1:51:46
The middle we. Were on a Friday.
1:51:49
We were on a bunch of the. Same day together.
1:51:51
On a lot of the fest last summer.
1:51:52
We didn't get Hellfest last year either.
1:51:54
Why the fuck aren't Yeah, I? Don't know maybe they just cool
1:51:57
day and and guess what and we. Didn't even, we didn't even make
1:52:01
a thing about how we had to play during Slipknot when we played
1:52:03
it in 202323. We played and we still directly.
1:52:07
During literally we we were listening to the first.
1:52:09
Three songs of Slipknot set and then our intro started.
1:52:11
We had to play during Slipknot. Are you sure?
1:52:14
The first 3 less. Upset we had to compete with.
1:52:16
Slipknot more upset that we couldn't watch them.
1:52:18
That's the thing, yeah. Because, I mean, that's a that's
1:52:21
a pinnacle, yeah. To to see them every time in
1:52:23
Europe, Yeah. Have you done Sonic Temple
1:52:25
before? We did it for the first time.
1:52:27
In 2024, what do I have coming for me?
1:52:31
Oh, it's fucking awesome so. Fun.
1:52:33
I've only done louder. OK, the women louder so we Oh my
1:52:36
God, it's the best fact it's the best is like.
1:52:39
US festivals go like Danny Wimmer's got it.
1:52:41
Like it's as close as it comes to doing a European software, so
1:52:44
like Danny's gotta figure it out.
1:52:46
If you loved Louder, you're gonna.
1:52:47
Fucking love Sonic, that's what I said.
1:52:50
When I went to Lauder, I was like, Oh my God, this is like, I
1:52:52
love Euro festivals. Love them to death.
1:52:55
My favorite thing on earth is Wimmer.
1:52:57
Yeah. And.
1:52:58
I went to Lauder and I was. Like, this is like someone went
1:53:00
to a Euro festival and went, this is awesome, right?
1:53:04
Finally these things we could change a bit.
1:53:08
And I was just like, Oh my God, it's perfect.
1:53:10
Like the distance between everything.
1:53:12
We are just so like lucky. And happy to be involved with
1:53:16
any of them because of dude, it's just such a fucking fun
1:53:20
time. All of our friends are always
1:53:22
there. You know you're going to, it
1:53:24
doesn't matter. It's like having like like a
1:53:27
hometown arena where there's not a bad seat in the house.
1:53:30
You're going to have a good set. It doesn't matter what stage,
1:53:32
what time it's going to. It's so fun, man.
1:53:34
It's kind of crazy that. The Eurofest.
1:53:38
Had this. Unlocked for so long until and
1:53:41
it's just still kind of just Annie Wimmer.
1:53:44
It's it's very wild. It's pretty He was also a
1:53:48
sweetheart. We.
1:53:49
Got to meet him at Sonic Temple. We met in the last three days.
1:53:52
Ago he's. The best, Yeah, yeah, he's super
1:53:54
nice and cool. Yeah, he, he, he for sure.
1:53:56
Has the whole thing figured out. It's awesome.
1:53:58
And I think that he's kind of becoming one of the tastemakers
1:54:02
of like of like heavy music in general for the stage.
1:54:06
It's it's really cool. It's it's so bizarre that like I
1:54:08
feel like America's been like held as like this like key
1:54:13
market for just music in general.
1:54:15
And we're like just now figuring out festivals.
1:54:18
Yeah, thanks to. Danny Wimmer.
1:54:19
It's so weird. Yeah, dude, our stage I feel
1:54:22
like is. Just the boys it is architects
1:54:24
Amity alpha wolf I think AVR August Burns Red.
1:54:28
Yeah, it's it's. It's packed full.
1:54:29
Of the boys, I think Pierce is headlining this.
1:54:32
They might be a day, but. I think wage.
1:54:34
Wars on is that why she just like?
1:54:36
Exclaimed. I was just thinking about how.
1:54:39
Excited I am to be surrounded by Ohioans.
1:54:43
Are you from Ohio? OK, there in Ohio I'm from.
1:54:46
Technically. Akron, but Cleveland I've sure
1:54:48
sure sure. I'm from Lansing, MI do.
1:54:51
You know that I don't do you know?
1:54:52
Grand Rapids, I do. So it's like an.
1:54:55
Hour from there. OK, I see your neighbors.
1:54:57
Your neighbors we. Were we were very.
1:55:00
Close. Yeah.
1:55:01
Now he lives in Vegas. Oh yeah, Yeah, it's yeah.
1:55:04
But in Vegas, you doesn't have to.
1:55:05
Worry about the fucking winter. I don't miss.
1:55:09
I miss it. Must get.
1:55:09
Cold in the desert though, yeah. But you don't get fucking feet
1:55:12
of snow. And ice, no snow.
1:55:14
And also just. So.
1:55:15
Much sun, so much more endorphins and just good mood.
1:55:19
That's how I feel about being here.
1:55:21
Yeah, this is the UK. The UK by and even.
1:55:23
Here everyone was like I. Had it with this weather to be
1:55:25
fair. You guys got a fucked.
1:55:27
Snowstorm here this year at least maybe 2 in January.
1:55:30
We we went home early. We were here in.
1:55:33
January we literally left. Early because of the snow coming
1:55:35
in our house. To the point that really move
1:55:38
house next week 3 you're moving because of that storm yeah
1:55:41
there's still a. Tree in our fucking.
1:55:43
Roof. Oh my fuck dude.
1:55:45
And the landlord? Was like doing nothing.
1:55:46
About it was like we fucking we were supposed to be here for
1:55:49
like 3. More days for writing.
1:55:50
When that was coming in, we were like, no, we just have to leave.
1:55:52
We changed our flights like the day before.
1:55:55
And if we hadn't, we may have been stuck here for like a week
1:55:58
or more. We were in the UK.
1:56:00
Seeing my parents, who I haven't seen for a year, with three days
1:56:03
in, I get a phone call in the morning like, oh, there's a tree
1:56:05
on your house and the cats can get out of the whole Jesus
1:56:07
Christ, dude, but I couldn't. Even get a flight.
1:56:09
Home because because all the airport, the fucking airport
1:56:13
shut. So it was just like a let me
1:56:15
spend the the next four days with my parents, who I love very
1:56:18
much, I haven't seen in ages, just worrying about most
1:56:20
everything at home. Yeah.
1:56:22
Fuck dude, it was a nightmare but I do.
1:56:24
Other than tornadoes and that freak snowstorm, like every day
1:56:29
I wake up it's fucking. Even if it's too hot, I'm like
1:56:32
dude, I love it here. I think I fucking love fucking
1:56:36
awesome. It's sick.
1:56:37
I I would move. Here if I could I.
1:56:39
Fucking I, I like legitimately love it here.
1:56:41
I think if I had to go anywhere. You know, east of where I live,
1:56:46
I, I wouldn't I would choose here.
1:56:48
Yeah, absolutely. Or or any.
1:56:50
And I think that goes back to like.
1:56:52
A lot of what you were when you were asking earlier about like
1:56:54
why people come here to write, it's like a lot of the people
1:56:59
that we would normally go right with all lived in LA, right?
1:57:01
And then when the pandemic hit, everybody fucking got the fuck
1:57:04
out of there and they all moved here.
1:57:05
So that's why everybody hates us.
1:57:07
Everyone hates the new people. We're moving.
1:57:10
Everybody just here now we're moving.
1:57:11
Next week. And I'm like, terrified of our
1:57:14
neighbors. Yeah, because it's like a new
1:57:15
build. There's like maybe 8?
1:57:18
New builds on this house, on this road.
1:57:21
And I'm like, in my head I'm like, have you met the
1:57:24
neighbors? No.
1:57:25
But in my head I'm like I. Know I'm the problem, but maybe
1:57:28
they're the problem too and you're.
1:57:29
Fine, you're just doing it together.
1:57:30
I I I moved to Vegas in. 2022 and it was a whole entire new
1:57:34
build community and everyone's nice.
1:57:37
You're fine. Oh, I mean the neighbors.
1:57:39
That aren't the new build I know you'll be pissed off about the
1:57:42
new build you'll be I'm a warrior, I'm a warrior.
1:57:45
You're a British double. Accent there, you're like, oh
1:57:48
there's a cool British next door and you'll charm him.
1:57:50
Yeah, you're good. That was my.
1:57:51
That was my other. Thing I was like, oh hang on
1:57:53
here honey, he shows. Like Harry Potter, I get away.
1:57:57
I. Get away with so much better.
1:57:59
You're good, You're good. I got.
1:58:01
Can you just talk again for? A little bit I got.
1:58:04
That way when I was phoning so. We're moving, but I got the
1:58:08
company that's did all the because it's a new build, the
1:58:11
company did all the appliances, so it's just fucking boring.
1:58:14
You got the grief tourism. Fuck off now.
1:58:16
No, no, this HVAC. So it's a new build.
1:58:20
So everything is brand new and. The guy, the project manager of
1:58:24
the whole building was like, this is your guy.
1:58:26
If you need any electronics, iPhone, this guy, because I
1:58:29
could probably do with another TV and he's going to install it
1:58:32
and there's a fireplace with tiles and shit.
1:58:34
It's fucking nice and I don't want to I don't feel comfortable
1:58:38
drilling into tiles. So let me see how much a new TV
1:58:40
is and they're going to fit it. Yep.
1:58:41
Phone the guy up. That's exact voice.
1:58:44
Yeah, that sounds right. And he's.
1:58:46
Like. I literally like, yeah, I've
1:58:49
bought. He's like, I've never heard no
1:58:50
one talk from. Australia before I get.
1:58:53
That a lot I get. That a lot, but this guy didn't
1:58:55
get it. I was like, yeah, I'm moving.
1:58:57
I'm moving into this place. Someone told me the project
1:59:03
manager told me that you might be the guy for ATV and TV
1:59:06
fitting him. Zach, you a musician?
1:59:10
Immediately I was just and. I was like, yeah.
1:59:12
Yeah, yeah. And then like I start talking
1:59:13
and then because obviously Australia is broken up or
1:59:16
whatever, my visa is here for the downbeat, so it's not a
1:59:19
problem. But like, I sort of refrain from
1:59:24
telling people about Australia because it's just a
1:59:26
conversation. Why you break up?
1:59:27
Like it ends up it's fucking 20 minutes long.
1:59:29
Don't want you to. So I'm just like, yeah, I'm, I'm
1:59:32
here. Like I'm working.
1:59:33
He was like, who do you play for him?
1:59:34
Like I play for just whoever, no one right now.
1:59:37
And he's like, yeah, but what band you played for?
1:59:39
And then I say straight from the path and he goes straight from
1:59:42
the path. And then another guy in the
1:59:44
background of this office that built the house goes what?
1:59:48
The fact you say no, it goes about that man, that's so sick.
1:59:52
Didn't get a discount though, did I?
1:59:54
All those sons of bitches. OLEDI mean that's pay for.
1:59:58
My own that's still sick, that it.
2:00:00
Was kind of, it was kind of cool.
2:00:02
I can't remember. What my point was.
2:00:03
But yeah, I. Get away with fucking murder
2:00:04
because I'm Yeah, you got a cool accent.
2:00:06
Yes, I. Guess we're done because I
2:00:08
really need to piss. Somewhere fucking I could piss.
2:00:09
2 and a bit out piss could piss. This was fun always.
2:00:13
Long. This is fun, I hope it ends up
2:00:14
being a good episode. It's probably a great time.
2:00:16
It's. So good.
2:00:17
Thank you so much guys. And alright, let's just Sonic
2:00:20
temples when like fucking it's may, it's may like. 14th through
2:00:24
probably like a month and 1/2. From now, OK, so the plan is I'm
2:00:27
going. To be doing loads of short form
2:00:29
stuff there, including beer pong.
2:00:31
I've got a beer pong table specifically for Amazing, SO
2:00:37
maybe we get a fucking architects versus Oh my God, I
2:00:40
was I. Fucking love thinking.
2:00:42
I'm. Thinking.
2:00:43
And Ally and Dan versus you guys in beer pong.
2:00:48
Bring it on. I'm only saying that because Sam
2:00:50
is recovering alcoholic. Sure not respect my boy, my
2:00:53
boyfriend, right? The fucking.
2:00:54
Best person on I would I. Would, but I'm not gonna tease.
2:00:57
Him with drinks? No, that's fair.
2:00:59
But he's he's to be there for. Commentary.
2:01:01
Oh, everyone will be in there. But I'm thinking like the the
2:01:05
game is U2 and it's Ali and Dan and there it's beer pong and
2:01:11
there Sam might do commentary. He.
2:01:13
Did commentary for Cee Lo, we did a tour.
2:01:17
Was ghost inside Every time I die architects and we would play
2:01:21
Cee Lo on the bus. He would do the football
2:01:23
college. He would go roll.
2:01:25
Again 5 roll again okay Sam, I I want.
2:01:29
Everyone to leave a comment. That they want. 5-6 you win.
2:01:34
That's really funny. I want Sam commentating that
2:01:38
yes, that's locked in. Yeah, that's done.
2:01:40
Producer, can you please make a note?
2:01:44
Sonic Temple Architects Ghosts inside beer pong.
2:01:49
Sam Carter to commentate Amazing.
2:01:52
It'd be amazing if we. Can get like.
2:01:54
Re I don't know how it'd be next to impossible, but get like a
2:01:58
silent background like a cricket match.
2:02:01
So it's just like. I know I have my own.
2:02:03
Room Oh my God. So we'll make it as quiet as.
2:02:05
Possible So he'd be like Next up, Chris Davis, he lines.
2:02:10
Up for the shop? Oh it.
2:02:12
Would be so good that's. Lovely arc.
2:02:16
There he goes. No, no, he missed that one.
2:02:19
Do you watch UK sport? That sounds like you.
2:02:21
Do about the darts. You ever watch the darts?
2:02:24
You see the story, the story I posted earlier, it's a darts
2:02:27
player, later found out, I think he's got sexual assault charges.
2:02:30
That's unfortunate. I didn't know that.
2:02:32
When I posted it, I didn't. Know that.
2:02:35
When I posted it. But it's a darts player.
2:02:38
Darts is like fucking fucking British.
2:02:42
Darts is just and he's literally going triple 20, shake the
2:02:47
devil's hand and then he gets it as hard as he gets it.
2:02:51
And he goes. Yeah, and again gets another one
2:02:55
and then he goes. Wait, hold on.
2:02:59
That's the British. Equivalent of our bowler, the
2:03:02
guy who got the strike and he goes, yeah, who do you think you
2:03:06
are? Oh yeah, yeah, that's a class
2:03:09
have. You seen that?
2:03:09
No, but that's guy. Bowling said.
2:03:11
Who do you think? You are, I am.
2:03:14
That's fucking insane. That's like I love.
2:03:18
Just. Yeah.
2:03:19
That's the, particularly in. Relational Sports.
2:03:21
Equivalent the less. Like.
2:03:24
The less. Well known.
2:03:26
Like scoring a goal or something like in football.
2:03:30
Give me like a baseball player or a darts player or someone
2:03:33
like slightly more low key being psychotic.
2:03:37
Like that's the shit I love. There's a bunch of them in
2:03:39
baseball like. Like he's burning down 1.
2:03:41
Of I. Think he's burning down his top?
2:03:45
Five funniest. TV shows of all time that first
2:03:48
season. Especially that pilot episode.
2:03:52
Unbelievable. In Mexico it's crazy,
2:03:55
unbelievable. It's fucking the best.
2:03:57
You've never seen it. You got to watch Eastbound down.
2:04:00
I feel like I feel like that would.
2:04:02
Be easier than Dumb and Dumber. Which is dumb and breaking to
2:04:05
say out loud, but like like like you said, who's the?
2:04:08
Bad boy of curling, you know like where's that must be for
2:04:12
sure they're. Canadian for sure.
2:04:13
Yeah, it's probably the guy who cheated in the Olympics
2:04:15
recently, and he just looks like Guy Fieri.
2:04:17
Yeah, he's got a It's a thing. Yeah, darts is.
2:04:20
Funny though, because it used. To be on Alexandra Palace,
2:04:23
which, you know, shit, yeah, we. Just played for the first time,
2:04:26
that's it. Used to be.
2:04:27
The that was where the darts were and they get just put a
2:04:30
bunch of tables down. The darts are there, but it's
2:04:34
just people drinking pints. Yeah, everyone, including the
2:04:38
people playing dark, they're all drinking pints.
2:04:41
I love it. It's Larry.
2:04:42
It's fucking Brit. I said shake the devil's hand.
2:04:45
Yeah, he said something like Shake.
2:04:46
The Devil's Hand It's a Jonathan Vigil one liner, right I?
2:04:50
Respect it the a. That's all the.
2:04:51
Next Ghost Inside Radio, we might take it.
2:04:53
We actually. Run out of one.
2:04:55
Camera, so my bad. We're done, alright.
2:04:58
I love. You thank you guys.
2:05:00
Thank you, I feel like I already did this but kind of drunk.
2:05:04
Love you more, bye.