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UK Column News Podcast 29th January 2025 · UK Column Radio

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Speaker 1: Good afternoon. It's Wednesday, the twenty ninth of January twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty five, just after one o'clock and welcome to the
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Speaker 1: UK column News. I'm your host Mike Robinson. Joining me
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Speaker 1: in the studio today is Charles Mallott. Welcome to the program, Charles,
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Speaker 1: Thank you Mike, and by videolink, we do have Vanessa
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Speaker 1: Billy this week. Welcome to the program Vanessa. But we're
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Speaker 1: going to get straight on here with bird flu.
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Speaker 2: Bird flue, it is yes again and the seasoned UK
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Speaker 2: column viewer. This will not come as a great surprise,
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Speaker 2: but from the UK Health Security Agency we've had what
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Speaker 2: might seem like a very trivial announcement of somebody being
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Speaker 2: ill in proximity to birds. But they're describing it as
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Speaker 2: a case of bird to human avian flu in a
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Speaker 2: person in the West Midlands, and they are at pains
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Speaker 2: to say that the risk of avian flu to the
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Speaker 2: general public remains very low despite this confirmed case. Now
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Speaker 2: people will be having bells of deja voo ringing in
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Speaker 2: their heads. I dare say circle at the bottom of
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Speaker 2: this tweet, I have included the text. Currently there is
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Speaker 2: no evidence of onwards transmission from this case, which I
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Speaker 2: am labeling subject to change, because we've seen how these
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Speaker 2: things can and will drift. Of course, this represents an
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Speaker 2: enormous commercial opportunity, mostly for the pharmaceutical industry in terms
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Speaker 2: of vaccinating or medicating not just poultry but also human beings,
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Speaker 2: also for the biosecurity industry as it stands in so
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Speaker 2: far as introducing measures to not just places that keep poultry.
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Speaker 2: But because there is a suggestion that this zoonotic capability
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Speaker 2: means that in some senses anything is a threat. Therefore,
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Speaker 2: of course this could be wheeled out anywhere potentially and previously,
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Speaker 2: and I say previously, which I will qualify in a second,
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Speaker 2: for the food cartels, because this is introducing the notion
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Speaker 2: of food scarcey and manipulation of the food chain. Now,
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Speaker 2: as you see from the tweet, or did see from
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Speaker 2: the tweet, the Health Security Agency using absurd, spurious language
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Speaker 2: of non scientific nature like spillover which course has absolutely
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Speaker 2: no veracity or scientific standing. Now this is significant. I
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Speaker 2: would contend, not because I'm wanting to reinforce the scare
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Speaker 2: angering narrative, but because of the parallels to the messaging
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Speaker 2: that we received at the end of twenty nineteen and
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Speaker 2: early twenty twenty, so dipping back into Hansard. From the
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Speaker 2: twenty third of January twenty twenty, we had the Shadow
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Speaker 2: Health Secretary Sharon Hodgson talking about a global pandemic which
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Speaker 2: can be avoided. She said in the Commons that there
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Speaker 2: is a chance that a global pandemic can be avoided
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Speaker 2: if governments across the world take the right measures in
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Speaker 2: a timely fashion. This is sort of what the UKHSA
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Speaker 2: are saying now. On the very same day, Matt Hancock
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Speaker 2: said most cases of the new coronavirus so far have
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Speaker 2: been non fatal. In these cases, most people experience cold
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Speaker 2: and flu like symptoms and then recover. However, there have
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Speaker 2: been a small number of cases so far where it
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Speaker 2: has proven more serious and fatal. So the narrative, in
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Speaker 2: so far as the pace and the use of what
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Speaker 2: sounds like a fairly innocuous incident, has the potential to
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Speaker 2: be blown up and up and up again. From January,
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Speaker 2: if we go back to the timeline of twenty twenty,
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Speaker 2: the speed with which it developed was extraordinary. On the
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Speaker 2: twenty ninth, the family that had flown into the UK
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Speaker 2: from China were reported to have fallen ill. The Sun
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Speaker 2: called the NHS and declared that they had a fever
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Speaker 2: and a cough, and that they'd derived from Hubei province. Now,
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Speaker 2: the two paramedics stressed in has Matt arrived at the hotel,
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Speaker 2: obviously very much over dramatic, necessarily so for the narrative
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Speaker 2: to be developed accordingly. But an ambulance took them to
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Speaker 2: hospital in Hull and they were tested, and lo and behold,
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Speaker 2: they were found to have the coronavirus. The very next day,
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Speaker 2: on the thirtieth January, the risk level was raised in
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Speaker 2: the United Kingdom from low to moderate, and the World
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Speaker 2: Health Organization declared that the pandemic, as it was described
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Speaker 2: even then, was a global health emergency. So the point
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Speaker 2: I'm making here is that it's very easy from one
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Speaker 2: very simple illness that is confirmed of course by the
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Speaker 2: extraordinarily spurious PCR test, to develop this at speed if required,
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Speaker 2: and indeed if the system is deemed ready for it.
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Speaker 2: But of course this, as I say, relies on the tests,
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Speaker 2: and that's exactly what happened. Back in twenty twenty, the
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Speaker 2: Public Health England lab back in sorry Northwest London, confirmed
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Speaker 2: that they had coronavirus. So the UK column line throughout
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Speaker 2: this has been to examine the science such as it is,
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Speaker 2: well such as it isn't, and to state that there
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Speaker 2: is a complete LAFE sorry, an absence of evidence for
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Speaker 2: the existence of avian influenza as a discernible illness. Further,
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Speaker 2: there is no evidence for transmission in the way that
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Speaker 2: it's being described by the Animal and Plant Health Agency
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Speaker 2: DEPHRA and the Health Security Agency too. But critically, like
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Speaker 2: all of these things, it is being pushed very hard
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Speaker 2: by the BBC now Farming Today, the Farming Today program.
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Speaker 2: Earlier on had a sorry. Earlier on Today had an
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Speaker 2: interview with a free range poultry farmer, a free range
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Speaker 2: egg farmer, and he set out the very faulty logic
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Speaker 2: contained within the countermeasures in so far as biosecurity is concerned.
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Speaker 2: We just have a quick listen to what he said.
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Speaker 3: It's about as near as we'd like to get really
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Speaker 3: for biosecurity reasons.
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Speaker 4: Well, we're standing a good distance from the sheds where
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Speaker 4: David Perone has his layers.
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Speaker 3: I think the argument for housing can be odd because
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Speaker 3: the biggest case so far has been in Shropshire, and
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Speaker 3: that was all house birds because they were barn eggs,
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Speaker 3: and it makes the argument for housing weaken.
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Speaker 2: I sit the nail on the head there because by
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Speaker 2: the government's own metrics or own logic, which is to
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Speaker 2: keep birds inside in the event of such an illness
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Speaker 2: confirmed by PCR, this man is stating that, of course
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Speaker 2: these birds were already inside. Now as we know well,
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Speaker 2: no account of the environmental conditions of birds, or their
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Speaker 2: feed or their water is ever tested. That this I
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Speaker 2: have in black and white from apha Ya a freedom
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Speaker 2: of information requests. Nevertheless, BBC Farming Today pushed it further
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Speaker 2: by speaking to an epidemiologist, a veterinary one, professor James
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Speaker 2: Wood from Cambridge and this is what he had to
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Speaker 2: say in terms of confirming whether or not farm workers
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Speaker 2: should feel worried about it.
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Speaker 4: So should farm workers on paltry units be worried about this?
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Speaker 5: I think in general terms no. If an outbreak of
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Speaker 5: bird flu is notified to the authorities, then they will
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Speaker 5: be providing very specific advice around the sort of personal
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Speaker 5: protection the ppe that people should be warring if they
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Speaker 5: have to go anywhere near the birds. So in general terms,
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Speaker 5: I don't think this is something that poultry workers should
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Speaker 5: be worried about, but everyone should be aware that this
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Speaker 5: is something that could happen.
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Speaker 2: Now. What he also said in response to a question
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Speaker 2: was that this cannot be passed from human to human.
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Speaker 2: So we're in the position now of being expected to
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Speaker 2: believe that a virus exists that can be passed amongst
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Speaker 2: wild birds. It can be passed from a wild bird
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Speaker 2: to domestic poultry and back again. It can be passed
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Speaker 2: between domestic poultry, and it can be passed from domestic
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Speaker 2: poultry to a human being. But somehow it's unable to
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Speaker 2: go from a human being to a human being. Of course,
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Speaker 2: it mutates, and of course I refer back to the
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Speaker 2: case last year where we were told that even birdflu
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Speaker 2: had traveled to the South Atlantic to infect elephants. Seal
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Speaker 2: so that there are holes in this narrative a mile wide.
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Speaker 2: But the likelihood is that the population will believe this,
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Speaker 2: which is why it's a significant problem. Now. The epidemiologist
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Speaker 2: James Wood did at least have the decency to say
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Speaker 2: this is different from the variant or the version in
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Speaker 2: the United States, which he cited as having conjunctivitis as
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Speaker 2: a symptom, which makes one wonder of course why it's
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Speaker 2: not just referred to as conjunct devices, but because of
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Speaker 2: the proximity to animals, it has a zoonotic label slapped
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Speaker 2: on it. And there we go. Now, the central message
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Speaker 2: to the BBC's output this morning was to suggest to people,
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Speaker 2: don't think that it can't happen to you. And this
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Speaker 2: is very redolent of the narrative that was put out
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Speaker 2: for the coronavirus confection back in early twenty twenty, and
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Speaker 2: it does represent corruption across the board, not just the
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Speaker 2: science which totally work without foundation, but by their own logic,
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Speaker 2: the countermeasures are known to be pointless. The environmental conditions,
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Speaker 2: as I say, are never considered or assessed. And it's
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Speaker 2: a concrete corruption for the consumer who has had the
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Speaker 2: regulations changed, which means that they'll still be able to
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Speaker 2: buy eggs labeled as free range even when they're not
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Speaker 2: so that sixteen rule has gone, and of course this
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Speaker 2: lays the door open for further food scarcity and ties
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Speaker 2: in with that narrative driven towards the suggestion that it's
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Speaker 2: all to do with climate change. And indeed, DEFRA is
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Speaker 2: very keen to point out that in the scheme of
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Speaker 2: things that the destruction or the culling, as they say,
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Speaker 2: the humane culling of these birds is proportionate to the
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Speaker 2: twenty million that are slaughtered each week for human consumption.
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Speaker 2: So the figures, just in order to make it clear
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Speaker 2: how the PCR case PCR test drives this, are that
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Speaker 2: to date there are twenty four cases or twenty five
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Speaker 2: across the two strains they claim to have id. These
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Speaker 2: are not deaths, these are PCR cases. And as was
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Speaker 2: pointed out in the last news broadcast where I referred
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Speaker 2: to this, there are approximately nine five hundred slaughtered birds
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Speaker 2: per discerned case by PCR. So the point to draw
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Speaker 2: out here is that the government is well primed for
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Speaker 2: the inflation of this particular narrative to drive people towards
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Speaker 2: bio security, panic and the sense of emergency, and the
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Speaker 2: five million doses of stockpiled vaccine for humans well made
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Speaker 2: by CSL Secorus, which of course we've reported on in
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Speaker 2: the past. So this will certainly be something to keep
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Speaker 2: a very close eye on. And the only hope really
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Speaker 2: is that following the years of coronavirus propaganda, that the
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Speaker 2: expected audience will have fallen of fatigue of the story
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Speaker 2: but we shall see which way it goes.
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Speaker 1: Thank you Charles Foranessa. Let's welcome you to the program.
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Speaker 1: And we've been talking quite a bit about Davos over
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Speaker 1: the last few news programs. But what's your take on
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Speaker 1: what happened there?
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Speaker 6: Well, yeah, I mean everybody is well aware that the
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Speaker 6: Syrian Foreign Minister was present at Davos, But I just
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Speaker 6: wanted to draw attention to something that was published by
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Speaker 6: Davos actually back on the ninth of December. So then
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Speaker 6: they were talking about what to respect and who's coming
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Speaker 6: now what's interesting? So this was what one day after
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Speaker 6: I actually left Damascus, and so one day after the
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Speaker 6: fall of Damascus itself, and yet here they actually name,
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Speaker 6: I said, Hassan al Shibani, Minister of Foreign Affairs of Syria.
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Speaker 6: So did Davos and WF have four knowledge of what
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Speaker 6: was going on inside Syria and who would be appointed
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Speaker 6: the foreign minister? And that if we actually look at
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Speaker 6: who this foreign minister is, this is from the cradle
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Speaker 6: former al Qaeda in Syria founder, So he was a
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Speaker 6: founder of Nusral Front in Syria named as caretaker foreign
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Speaker 6: minister and who should interview him none other than Snake
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Speaker 6: oil salesman himself, Tony Blair, former Middle East War envoy
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Speaker 6: and responsible really for the war against Syria since nine
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Speaker 6: to eleven, in his relations with President Asad from two
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Speaker 6: thousand and two onwards. So let's just have a very
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Speaker 6: quick look at part of the remarkably unpleasant interview, and
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Speaker 6: I apologize in advance for forcing people to watch this
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Speaker 6: again if they've already seen it.
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Speaker 7: And you've obviously got a lot of different minorities in Syria, Christians, Durus, Allawhites,
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Speaker 7: and how how confident are you that this will be
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Speaker 7: a Syria for all the people, given the history and
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Speaker 7: the difficulties of the past.
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Speaker 8: I can say that now as we Assyrian people, we
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Speaker 8: are victims of the sectarian government, and we are also
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Speaker 8: victims of this language, and we refuse to visit for
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Speaker 8: the future of Syria. We are not Serian people, not
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Speaker 8: divided into minorities. We are Syrian people, and Syria should
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Speaker 8: be for all the Syrian people, without any sectarian dividing
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Speaker 8: and also without to punish someone regarding on his background,
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Speaker 8: social background, religious background, or sectarian group.
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Speaker 6: That was about as tough as Tony Blair got in
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Speaker 6: his questioning and his follow up question was what about
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Speaker 6: women in Syria?
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Speaker 9: And will come.
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Speaker 6: Onto that, because obviously there are daily reports of atrocities
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Speaker 6: committed by the hg US unelected government in Syria. Former
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Speaker 6: are still a prescribed terrorist group conducting dozens of sectarian executions,
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Speaker 6: kidnappings and torture across Syria. And we'll just play one
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Speaker 6: video that is not particularly gruesome, but it shows a
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Speaker 6: young Shia Muslim man discovering that three members of his
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Speaker 6: family have been murdered by the HTS terrorists. So if
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Speaker 6: we can just play this blood, his anguish is very obvious.
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Speaker 6: And when we're talking about women, this is doctor Russia
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Speaker 6: al Ali, who was a university researcher at Homes University
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Speaker 6: and a member of the Arab Writers' Union, who was
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Speaker 6: kidnapped on the twentieth of January after she objected to
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Speaker 6: the imposing of Nikab law wearing a Ni Cub instruction
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Speaker 6: at the universities in Syria. Her body was discovered on
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Speaker 6: the twenty fifth of January with her fingers amputated and
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Speaker 6: signs of extreme torture. And obviously she was killed for
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Speaker 6: her views about women in Syria and equally Syrian Christians
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Speaker 6: of course all minorities are being faced with ethnic cleansing, displacement, torture, etc.
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Speaker 6: But particularly Christians also who are finding that their daily
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Speaker 6: life is being affected very much if we look at
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Speaker 6: what was actually written in the article, and they're being
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Speaker 6: harassed to effectively conform to Islamic rules and customs. They're
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Speaker 6: being asked to disarm escalating incidents of violence towards religious minorities,
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Speaker 6: and even the fact that buses are being boarded to
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Speaker 6: ask the women and the men to segregate on the buses, etc.
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Speaker 6: So all basically all minority communities are suffering under the
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Speaker 6: imposition of the rules of extremist Islamist government.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for that. Vanessa. Well more on this a
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Speaker 1: little bit later. Now coming back to the UK, then,
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Speaker 1: the other big story that's going on at the moment
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Speaker 1: is the issue of knife crime and the fact that
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Speaker 1: the government is about to impose more digital identification on
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Speaker 1: the general public in order they say to deal with
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Speaker 1: this knife crime situation. So this was being this is
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Speaker 1: actually going back to twenty seventeen, so this is not
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Speaker 1: something that's new suddenly it's becoming a crisis, But this
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Speaker 1: was LBC in twenty seventeen, saying three fatal stabbings in
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Speaker 1: thirty six hours, thirty five murders under the age of
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Speaker 1: twenty five this year arise at eight four percent in
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Speaker 1: twelve months. Is knife crime getting out of control? So
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Speaker 1: this is not something that is a recent issue. So
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Speaker 1: the government has announced stricter what they're describing a stricter
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Speaker 1: age verification online. They're adding the purchase of knives to
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Speaker 1: the use of pornography. In terms of the regime that
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Speaker 1: people are going to have to abide by. They're describing
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Speaker 1: it as what they call a stringent two step system
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Speaker 1: which will be mandated for all This is a quote,
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Speaker 1: will be mandated for all retailers selling knives online, requiring
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Speaker 1: customers to submit photo ID at the point of sale
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Speaker 1: and again on delivery, they say, Government saying they have
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Speaker 1: an ambitious mission to have knife crime within a decade.
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Speaker 1: Why are they only.
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Speaker 2: Having it question I asked for I'm not sure.
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Speaker 1: Within a decade as part of the plan for change,
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Speaker 1: of course, because this is all about change and a
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Speaker 1: core element of this they say again, this is a quote,
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Speaker 1: will be addressing problems in the online sales space. End quote.
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Speaker 1: So they're saying that a person may need to submit
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Speaker 1: a copy of photo ID such as a driving license
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Speaker 1: or passport, that they may need proof of address such
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Speaker 1: as a utility bill before and they're again going to
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Speaker 1: have to show ID after the package is delivered. And
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Speaker 1: this could also include submitting a current photo or video
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Speaker 1: of yourself if you're buying a knife to an online retailer,
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Speaker 1: alongside their ID. Now, the implications of this in terms
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Speaker 1: of personal data and the potential for identity theF because
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Speaker 1: of course you're going to be handing more and more
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Speaker 1: sort of personal information to more and more retailers whose
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Speaker 1: systems may not be terribly robust from a security point
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Speaker 1: of view. Now you may say, well, this is so
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Speaker 1: I'm not buying a knife, but of course this is
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Speaker 1: now pornography first, Now it's knives. It's going to continue
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Speaker 1: on the list to the point where we're going to
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Speaker 1: need ID for many many things. It's also, under this proposal,
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Speaker 1: going to be illegal for any retailer to deliver a
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Speaker 1: package containing a bladed weapon to doorstop to doorsteps, sorry,
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Speaker 1: when there's no one in to receive it, and so on.
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Speaker 1: So anyway, let's have a look at what our wonderful
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Speaker 1: home secretary had to say about this. Here's Event Cooper.
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Speaker 1: It's a total disgrace how easy it is for children
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Speaker 1: to get dangerous weapons online. She says, more than two
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Speaker 1: years after Running Canada was killed with a ninja sword
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Speaker 1: bought by a teenager online. Too many retailers still don't
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Speaker 1: have proper checks in place. The measures I'm setting out
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Speaker 1: today will be crucial in addressing this problem and are
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Speaker 1: part of our plan for change and mission to make
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Speaker 1: streets safer. Well are they? This is a very good question.
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Speaker 1: We'll discuss that in the second but before we do.
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Speaker 1: Idris Elbow was on the BBC Really four Today program
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Speaker 1: this morning because the BBC at nine pm this evening
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Speaker 1: is pushing on a documentary hosted by him on this topic.
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Speaker 1: Let's just have a listen to a minute or so
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Speaker 1: of what he said this morning.
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Speaker 10: What needs to happen now is a look at the
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Speaker 10: schemes that are working, that are showing hey, this works.
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Speaker 10: So a lot of these schemes are losing their funding.
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Speaker 10: We need to look at the budget and perhaps make
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Speaker 10: sure we can support the schemes that the data shows work. Okay,
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Speaker 10: I think that we need to ban all knives period
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Speaker 10: and let's not be gray ariad about it. I think
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Speaker 10: heritage swords and such knives, yes, but if you have one,
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Speaker 10: have a license for it.
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Speaker 4: Okay, we even how would kitchen knives work with that?
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Speaker 10: So the truth is is that kitchen knives are perhaps
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Speaker 10: twenty five percent of the knives used in most of
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Speaker 10: the terrible crimes. That's one of the stats in the films.
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Speaker 10: And those kitchen knives are usually a domestic situation. So
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Speaker 10: kitchen knives, of course, it's very difficult their domestic knife.
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Speaker 10: I do think there is areas of innovation that we
21:32
Speaker 10: can do with kitchen knives. I hate to say, not
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Speaker 10: all kitchen knives need to have a point on them.
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Speaker 10: That sounds like a crazy thing to say, but actually
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Speaker 10: it would reduce you know, you can still cut your
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Speaker 10: food without the point on the knife, which is an
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Speaker 10: innovative way to sort of look at it. And in
21:47
Speaker 10: a country in crisis, I'm sorry, but yeah, let's look
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Speaker 10: at that. But the truth is all knives. You know,
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Speaker 10: the loophole on the heritage knives allows the sale of
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Speaker 10: zombie ninja, the swords to be sold. So let's ban
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Speaker 10: them all and if you need, if you have one,
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Speaker 10: of those knives get a license for its simple as that.
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Speaker 1: This is such nonsense. I mean, we were wetting ourselves
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Speaker 1: frankly during that, but we'll talk about that in a second.
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Speaker 1: It's such nonsense. You know, he's talking about twenty five
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Speaker 1: percent of incidents involving kitchen knives. Of course, if there's
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Speaker 1: no availability of other types of knives, that proportion is
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Speaker 1: going to go up, right, because what everyone is doing
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Speaker 1: is looking at symptoms. They're looking at the symptoms of
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Speaker 1: a disease. Where So I would like to know where's
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Speaker 1: the discussion about what's causing young people to be so
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Speaker 1: absolutely demoralized, frustrated and angry that they're resorting to lashing
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Speaker 1: out in this way. Where's the optimism in our youth.
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Speaker 1: What's banning knives going to do. It's going to do
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Speaker 1: nothing to stop violence along young amongst young people. If
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Speaker 1: we don't deal with the underlying problems. Take away the
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Speaker 1: knives and they'll pick up rocks, or they'll smash a
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Speaker 1: window and wrap a shard of glass gaffer tape to
23:00
Speaker 1: make a knife. This is all wrong, And you know, Charles,
23:05
Speaker 1: we have to deal with the disease and not the symptoms.
23:08
Speaker 2: We do. It seems from what he's saying it's not
23:10
Speaker 2: just kitchen knives that don't have a point, and he
23:14
Speaker 2: really mean what you're saying is very much reminiscent of
23:18
Speaker 2: what the Duke of Edinburgh, the Late Duke Edinburgh got
23:20
Speaker 2: pillaried for after the Unblane incident, where he suggested that
23:26
Speaker 2: the response to it would be akin to banning cricket
23:29
Speaker 2: bats just because somebody had once hit somebody else over
23:32
Speaker 2: there with the cricket bat. It is completely absurd. I
23:34
Speaker 2: will be dealing touching on this again a little bit
23:37
Speaker 2: later in the news, but complete and utter nonsense. How
23:41
Speaker 2: the Today Program sustains that sort of a conversation in
23:45
Speaker 2: sort of good faith is beyond me.
23:47
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23:50
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23:53
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23:56
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Speaker 2: It was indeed and as the pieces of move around
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25:18
Speaker 2: very pertinent to cast our minds back just over two
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25:41
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25:44
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25:48
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25:50
Speaker 1: Okay, and we'd like to mention Public Child Protection Wills
25:53
Speaker 1: as holding a conference on the twenty second of February
25:57
Speaker 1: this year. It lasts from ten to thirty am to
26:00
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26:03
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26:07
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26:27
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26:31
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26:35
Speaker 1: We will have the link to that in the show
26:38
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26:43
Speaker 1: Now where does that take us? Charles the climb before
26:46
Speaker 1: we get to that way with one more here, that
26:48
Speaker 1: is this open letter being signed by doctors, academics and
26:54
Speaker 1: so on for RFK. This is to the Senate of course,
26:59
Speaker 1: because our FK confirmation hearing is taking place very very soon.
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Speaker 1: Lots and lots of signatures on that. So there's a
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Speaker 1: number on there another four thousand, eight hundred signatures, including
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Speaker 1: the ones that are on that I've just shown you
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27:17
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Speaker 1: There is a Google doc and the link to that
27:22
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27:28
Speaker 1: to the Climate Bill.
27:30
Speaker 2: Climate Nature Bill, Yes, which as reported on last week,
27:33
Speaker 2: was in Parliament for its second reading Friday twenty fourth
27:37
Speaker 2: of January. And there's been a response to the adjournment
27:43
Speaker 2: of this bill or of the debate which suggests that
27:48
Speaker 2: it's something of a victory, and I would like to
27:51
Speaker 2: sound a note of caution. This is something UK column
27:54
Speaker 2: has been following for some months now and there's been
27:58
Speaker 2: a certain amount of confusion about it. Bit itself, of
28:00
Speaker 2: course hidden from the government website published by Zero Hour,
28:05
Speaker 2: who I suppose as their slide here suggests probably haven't
28:10
Speaker 2: raised quite the level of public support that they thought
28:13
Speaker 2: they would. There's six five hundred and fifteen pounds raised.
28:18
Speaker 2: I should imagine they were hoping for a bigger push. Nonetheless,
28:22
Speaker 2: the reason for qualifying this in so far as it
28:26
Speaker 2: doesn't seem entirely positive, is that what actually happened on
28:29
Speaker 2: the day was the Chamber was flooded with labor MPs
28:32
Speaker 2: who were whipped into a position of voting to adjourn
28:37
Speaker 2: until Friday, the eleventh of July. Now, this was led
28:40
Speaker 2: by the MP Roz Savage, who at the outset said
28:44
Speaker 2: that she had absolutely no practical experience of farming and
28:48
Speaker 2: therefore was in a sense leading the blind. Now I
28:53
Speaker 2: read through Hansard and every single comment in the debate
28:56
Speaker 2: was entirely in support of this. So to suggests that
29:00
Speaker 2: the adjournment is a battle one, I would say, is
29:04
Speaker 2: a very hasty judgment and one that might need a
29:08
Speaker 2: little bit more scrutiny, not least because there are many
29:12
Speaker 2: issues at stake here. There is plenty of existing legislation
29:16
Speaker 2: binding government all sorts of climate targets, which were well
29:20
Speaker 2: aware of. This could well represent a cooling off period
29:24
Speaker 2: after the Trump rejection of the Green New Deal and
29:28
Speaker 2: the likely backlash from that. But also in granting a
29:33
Speaker 2: sort of six month stay of execution, they've enabled the
29:37
Speaker 2: raising of public awareness and indeed calls for urgent action.
29:43
Speaker 2: It's very easy for a state of emergency to be developed.
29:47
Speaker 2: Even further, of course, we're supposed to be in the
29:48
Speaker 2: midst of a climate emergency, but to make that seem
29:51
Speaker 2: more acute with the six month leading is not entirely
29:54
Speaker 2: difficult to do. If you think of the things that
29:56
Speaker 2: could be ascribed to climate change. I've just been speaking
29:59
Speaker 2: about flu. That is, of course one such. We've had
30:02
Speaker 2: the announcement today there are going to be nine new
30:04
Speaker 2: reservoirs in the United Kingdom. So water shortages, of course
30:07
Speaker 2: is another one. And I refer you back to the
30:09
Speaker 2: comments of Alan Lovell, the then Chair of the Environment Agency,
30:12
Speaker 2: who said in twenty twenty three, I'm most concerned about
30:15
Speaker 2: water resources, but to grip yet existential threat of supply
30:18
Speaker 2: and demand, we will need to ask the public to
30:20
Speaker 2: do two things, save water and pay more for it.
30:24
Speaker 2: There is, of course the population shift via migration, which
30:28
Speaker 2: Mike is going to be touching on in this program too.
30:30
Speaker 2: There's the poor harvest, the food shortages, and the incoming
30:34
Speaker 2: likelihood of food scarcity. So there's also time of course
30:38
Speaker 2: for the government to sell the lie that we renewable
30:40
Speaker 2: energy can work as the contribution of solar energy increases
30:49
Speaker 2: with the increase in daylight. We've got the BBC, of course,
30:53
Speaker 2: who are complicit in virtually every part of the government's
30:57
Speaker 2: pushing of any agenda, and that I would imagine going
31:00
Speaker 2: to be reporting on this theme in such sense as
31:03
Speaker 2: to give people the impression that it must be pursued.
31:07
Speaker 2: Yet further now, on the solar side of it, I
31:11
Speaker 2: thought I thought it'd be worth noting that the energy
31:15
Speaker 2: dashboard from eleven thirty this morning notes that nine percent
31:19
Speaker 2: of energy on the grid is coming from solar, which,
31:22
Speaker 2: given the area handed over to it from swathes of
31:26
Speaker 2: perfectly viable farmland, is rather pediphal. But also in contrast,
31:31
Speaker 2: on the left hand side of the chart, their imports
31:35
Speaker 2: remain at fifteen point three percent. So the suggestion that
31:41
Speaker 2: renewable energy is in any way a viable and dependable
31:45
Speaker 2: source is of course ludicrous. The other thing to point
31:49
Speaker 2: out is the continued corruption of the system. Recent announcement
31:53
Speaker 2: that there's a go ahead for a large scale solar
31:57
Speaker 2: farm in Lincolnshire which is going to be run or
32:01
Speaker 2: at least funded by Eco Tricty Dale Vince, the owner
32:04
Speaker 2: being a donor to the Labor Party, so it seems
32:07
Speaker 2: reasonable indeed to question his relationship with the Energy Secretary
32:11
Speaker 2: Ed Milliband. And of course there is the other aspect
32:16
Speaker 2: to all of this, which is the response to a
32:20
Speaker 2: public clamor. Now that this bill has apparently disappeared, there's
32:25
Speaker 2: no better way to activate the activists than to suggest
32:30
Speaker 2: that their future has been dashed or shattered. So I
32:34
Speaker 2: am imagining that in fact, between now and July there
32:38
Speaker 2: will be a massive propaganda campaign in order to pump
32:41
Speaker 2: this bill back up again. Whether it goes through as
32:44
Speaker 2: a private member's bill, it reigns to be seen. But
32:47
Speaker 2: to dismiss at a stroke this bill just because it
32:51
Speaker 2: has been a journal I would say, is hasty. It's
32:53
Speaker 2: also worth considering the eleventh of July is of course
32:56
Speaker 2: just before the end of the school term, which gives
32:59
Speaker 2: the education system plenty of time to work on the
33:01
Speaker 2: children within its care in order to push the climate emergency,
33:06
Speaker 2: and that could filter up to parents and beyond. So
33:10
Speaker 2: again one to watch, but I think to dismiss it
33:12
Speaker 2: just because of what happened last Friday is very very hasty.
33:15
Speaker 1: Indeed, well Charles mentioned this. Let's talk about migration for
33:20
Speaker 1: a second, because the UK population is now suggested it's
33:23
Speaker 1: going to hit seventy two point five million by twenty
33:26
Speaker 1: thirty two. I think seventy five million by twenty thirty five,
33:30
Speaker 1: and this is fueled by four point nine million increase
33:35
Speaker 1: in net migration. This is numbers coming from the Office
33:38
Speaker 1: for National Statistics and the ns were our pins to
33:42
Speaker 1: make the point that for the first time we are
33:45
Speaker 1: overtaking France in terms of total population. Of course, France
33:49
Speaker 1: has significantly larger lamb mass than Britain does, so population
33:53
Speaker 1: density is less of a problem in France. But France
33:57
Speaker 1: doesn't seem to be having the same problem as we have.
34:00
Speaker 1: Wonder why now. Chris Philp who's the shadowy sorry Rob Button,
34:07
Speaker 1: the shadow Home Secretary, said that ten million arrivals over
34:12
Speaker 1: ten years is too high. It's far too high. He said,
34:16
Speaker 1: we need a binding legal cap on visas issue each
34:19
Speaker 1: year which is very, very substantially lower than this in
34:21
Speaker 1: order to get the numbers done and under control. And
34:25
Speaker 1: so we might suggest that there's a significant amount of
34:28
Speaker 1: hypocrisy in that, bearing in mind that this current migration
34:34
Speaker 1: situation has absolutely been driven up under Tory leadership for
34:39
Speaker 1: the last ten fifteen years. Whatever it happens to be.
34:42
Speaker 1: The resolution foundation here there. Representative Adam Corlett has said
34:49
Speaker 1: that the Office for National Statistics projections of higher working
34:53
Speaker 1: age population are going to be more money for the
34:56
Speaker 1: government for the treasury. So he said, a larger working
34:59
Speaker 1: age popular means a bigger economy, more workers and higher
35:03
Speaker 1: tax receipts, which should deliver a fiscal boost of around
35:07
Speaker 1: five billion pounds a year by the end of the decade. Well,
35:11
Speaker 1: he's talking about an increase in population of five million
35:15
Speaker 1: people and a five billion pounds a year increase in
35:19
Speaker 1: the money to the treasury. Then what does that actually
35:22
Speaker 1: mean A thousand pounds per head? Is that is that
35:25
Speaker 1: a good deal?
35:26
Speaker 2: I don't think so. I think Neil Ferguson may have
35:28
Speaker 2: lent Ox's calculator.
35:31
Speaker 1: Well, indeed, that is true. So the question is you
35:35
Speaker 1: know what is going on here. Of course, we have
35:38
Speaker 1: an aging population. We also have falling birth rates. We've
35:41
Speaker 1: talked about this many many times in this program. But
35:45
Speaker 1: we've also got the issue of economic inactivity. And it's
35:49
Speaker 1: interesting that if you look at the mainstream press in
35:52
Speaker 1: recent weeks, there's been some efforts to sort of launder
35:56
Speaker 1: this idea of economic and activity. This is something that
35:59
Speaker 1: the Office for National Statistics has been talking about for
36:01
Speaker 1: a long time. A long time, I mean post the
36:06
Speaker 1: so called COVID pandemic. But because, as Charles has pointed
36:10
Speaker 1: out on the program before, long term sickness is becoming
36:14
Speaker 1: a real problem in the country. But we're trying to
36:17
Speaker 1: in the mainstream press at least kind of persuade ourselves
36:21
Speaker 1: that perhaps OS is not counting this properly. I think
36:24
Speaker 1: we did this with excess mortality as well. The ONS
36:27
Speaker 1: was counting things in a particular way, and then at
36:29
Speaker 1: some point they decided that our people decided that they
36:32
Speaker 1: didn't like the figures that were coming out, so the
36:34
Speaker 1: ONS was encouraged to change their model. This seems to
36:38
Speaker 1: be what's happening here as well. We've got another graphic
36:41
Speaker 1: heres showing long term sickness broken down by age group.
36:45
Speaker 1: And this is a significant, a significant problem here. If
36:49
Speaker 1: what we're saying is we've got to maintain migration at
36:52
Speaker 1: a certain level in order to maintain a younger working
36:56
Speaker 1: age population in the country because the population that's already
36:59
Speaker 1: here is not sufficient to grow the economy, then we
37:03
Speaker 1: have a slightly different problem. So we need to be
37:07
Speaker 1: looking at this, and we're coming back to Chris Philp
37:09
Speaker 1: for a second. He also went on to say we
37:13
Speaker 1: must also get more of the nine million economically in
37:17
Speaker 1: active adults in the UK into the workforce and invest
37:20
Speaker 1: more in technology and mechanisms to end the unsustainable reliance
37:23
Speaker 1: on mass low skilled migration. But if we're talking about
37:29
Speaker 1: technology and so on, increasingly we're talking about AI which
37:32
Speaker 1: is taking away jobs even more jobs already, So what
37:35
Speaker 1: direction are we going on? And we have an aging population,
37:40
Speaker 1: this is a problem. Don't worry because the government has
37:43
Speaker 1: an answer to that as well. It is assisted dying.
37:45
Speaker 1: That's why there's so much discussion about that at the moment,
37:48
Speaker 1: and Chris Whitty has been speaking out on this because
37:52
Speaker 1: he's saying what we don't want is a system which
37:55
Speaker 1: is very difficult for them, the people that are wanting
37:58
Speaker 1: assisted dying, for them to navigate so that they spent
38:01
Speaker 1: their entire last six months of their lives if this
38:04
Speaker 1: bill has passed and they choose to take account of it,
38:08
Speaker 1: which is a minority, he said, so these people would essentially,
38:11
Speaker 1: for the last six months of their lives be stuck
38:13
Speaker 1: in what he describes as a bureaucratic thicket. We need
38:18
Speaker 1: to keep this simple, and my view, the best safeguards
38:20
Speaker 1: are simple safeguards. So make it as simple as possible
38:23
Speaker 1: for people to end their lives because that'll take the
38:25
Speaker 1: pressure off that particular end of the economic equation. In
38:28
Speaker 1: the meantime, keep bringing more and more people into the
38:32
Speaker 1: country and keep building up the pressure because you know,
38:37
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, I'm not going to
38:39
Speaker 1: deny that there are some viewpoints out there which might
38:42
Speaker 1: be viewed as racist, but actually most people is concerned
38:45
Speaker 1: about this is the fact that we don't have the infrastructure.
38:49
Speaker 1: To couple that we don't have the housing, the couple
38:51
Speaker 1: that we don't have the schools, the hospitals and so on.
38:55
Speaker 1: This is a big problem, but its economy is at
38:58
Speaker 1: the back of it. And again we're not dealing with
39:02
Speaker 1: the underlying causes of the migration in the first place,
39:05
Speaker 1: and when we're dealing with us.
39:07
Speaker 2: Absolutely we're not, and no are we benefiting the countries
39:11
Speaker 2: that people have come from. We are draining many countries
39:15
Speaker 2: of their resources in terms of brain power and manpower
39:19
Speaker 2: and that does not, in the oble scheme things help.
39:23
Speaker 2: So we'll talk about that more in.
39:24
Speaker 1: Extra say as well, yes, absolutely, So let's come on
39:27
Speaker 1: to extremism.
39:28
Speaker 2: Yeah, yet more extremism, which was something I spoke about
39:31
Speaker 2: last week in relation to the Prime Minister's speech about
39:34
Speaker 2: what he was proposing to do in the aftermath of
39:38
Speaker 2: the conviction, sorry, the very correct conviction of the south
39:44
Speaker 2: Port murderer Axe l Ridy Cabana, and I described it
39:47
Speaker 2: as an exercise in conspiring to conflate well with the
39:52
Speaker 2: BBC conspined conflate the issues of national security extremism with terrorism.
39:57
Speaker 2: So to go back to Summer twenty twenty four, if
40:00
Speaker 2: Ett Cooper said, action against extremism has been badly hollowed
40:04
Speaker 2: out in recent years, just when it should have been
40:06
Speaker 2: needed most. That's why I've directed the Home Office to
40:09
Speaker 2: conduct a rapid analytical sprint on extremism, to map and
40:13
Speaker 2: monitor extremist trends, to understand the evidence about what works
40:17
Speaker 2: to disrupt and divert people away from extremist views, and
40:20
Speaker 2: to identify any gaps in existing policy which need to
40:23
Speaker 2: be addressed to crack down on those pushing harmful and
40:26
Speaker 2: hateful beliefs and violence. So rather long winded. Nonetheless, her
40:32
Speaker 2: team of civil servants did produce the so called Rapid
40:35
Speaker 2: Analytical Sprint, which by some miracle has been leaked to
40:40
Speaker 2: the Policy Exchange. Now the Politic Exchange therefore have authored
40:45
Speaker 2: a document to respond to this. Worth noting that one
40:49
Speaker 2: of the authors is Andrew Gilligan, of a great repute
40:53
Speaker 2: going back to two thousand and three in the affair
40:55
Speaker 2: concerning Dr David Kelly. But of course, as with all
40:58
Speaker 2: government leaks, to be intentional, but to what end? And
41:03
Speaker 2: the sprint as it's been referred to, written up by
41:07
Speaker 2: civil servants, has made great effort to shift the qualification
41:12
Speaker 2: of extremism from somebody possessing an ideology to behaviors of concerns.
41:17
Speaker 2: So this just reinforces the point of view that it
41:20
Speaker 2: is being conflated with terrorism, which of course is subject
41:23
Speaker 2: being redefined in order that it may be used to
41:26
Speaker 2: capture people more easily. The specific behaviors they refer to
41:29
Speaker 2: a violence against women and girls, misinformation and disinformation, and
41:34
Speaker 2: extreme violence and misogyny. Now, the Policy Exchange makes a
41:40
Speaker 2: repeated point of saying that it downplays Islamism, which they describe,
41:44
Speaker 2: not not the Civil servants but the Politic Exchange are
41:47
Speaker 2: describing as by far the greatest threat to national security.
41:50
Speaker 2: So just on that. It's interesting to note that previously
41:54
Speaker 2: William Shawcross, senior fellow at the Policy Exchange back in
41:58
Speaker 2: twenty eighteen, was in conversation with the Prime Minister or
42:02
Speaker 2: or the now Prime Minister of Israel, Benjamin Netanyahoo. So
42:07
Speaker 2: I think if there's time then this will just ask
42:09
Speaker 2: Vanessa for a little bit of comment on that, and
42:11
Speaker 2: that the sort of the Policy Exchange's leanings. But just
42:15
Speaker 2: to proceed for now, they were saying, or rather Shortcross
42:19
Speaker 2: previously has made the point about the prevent scheme, this
42:24
Speaker 2: should not be concerned with the thirty six percent of
42:27
Speaker 2: referrals not concerning ideology or suspected terrorism, but pertain to
42:32
Speaker 2: mental health and vulnerabilities of young people. Now, the Civil
42:38
Speaker 2: Service document that this Sprint has also had trouble with
42:42
Speaker 2: Michael Gove's rework definition of extremism, which we've talked about before,
42:46
Speaker 2: saying there were concerns the last government's definition could be
42:49
Speaker 2: used against legitimate organizations and individuals, especially in the absence
42:54
Speaker 2: of a test of proportionality and reasonableness. Now, that's exactly
42:57
Speaker 2: what I was talking about last week with the example
43:00
Speaker 2: given by the BBC of Patriotic Alternative and how there
43:03
Speaker 2: was a complete double standard in the way that they
43:05
Speaker 2: were being looked at compared with the Labor Party. Now,
43:10
Speaker 2: really what they are meaning by this is that they
43:13
Speaker 2: want to redefine it in such a way that anybody
43:16
Speaker 2: who contradicts the mainstream narrative can be captured as an extremist,
43:21
Speaker 2: and that this is really no more than a tool
43:23
Speaker 2: with which to capture dissenting voices. Now, going back to
43:28
Speaker 2: what Mike has been talking about with regard to knife
43:32
Speaker 2: crime and the suggestion that violence has a great deal
43:36
Speaker 2: to do with this, which may not necessarily be denied.
43:40
Speaker 2: I've just picked out as an example the PlayStation game Fortnite,
43:46
Speaker 2: because this is something that is actively in effect opposed
43:52
Speaker 2: to what Drizelber has been saying a specific reference to
43:56
Speaker 2: the ownership of knives and samurai swords. And yet we
44:02
Speaker 2: see the BBC on their children's channel CBBC promoting the
44:07
Speaker 2: computer game Fortnite. So this is not a push for
44:11
Speaker 2: further online safety, but really to ask the question of parents,
44:16
Speaker 2: if children are going to be engaged or wasting their
44:20
Speaker 2: time with games like this, what are they expecting that
44:24
Speaker 2: the result would be? And of course this plays completely
44:27
Speaker 2: into the hands of government with their reworking of the
44:31
Speaker 2: definition of terrorism.
44:34
Speaker 1: Thank you, Charles Vanessa. Any brief comments on lab before
44:38
Speaker 1: we move on to Lebanon.
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Speaker 6: Well, no, not really, except that it's the ongoing infiltration
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Speaker 6: of all of the UK government sectors, including security by
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Speaker 6: the Zionist movement, of course, which we've been talking about extensively.
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Speaker 1: Okay, thank you, let's move on to Lebanon then, So,
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Speaker 1: of course.
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Speaker 6: The ceasefire ended in the early hours of Sunday morning.
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Speaker 6: HASBOLAA rejects the extension of Israel's withdrawal deadline from South
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Speaker 6: Lebanon because of course Israel, rather than withdrawing at all,
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Speaker 6: has been embedding itself further and actually encroaching further upon
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Speaker 6: Lebanese territory in the south, and so what basically happened
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Speaker 6: on Sunday contrary to the recommendations even by the Lebanese
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Speaker 6: army that is supposed to replace Hezbollah military in the
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Speaker 6: south but has been failing to do so because of
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Speaker 6: the Israeli obstacles put in their way, but also the
45:36
Speaker 6: recommendations of uniform that civilians should not return.
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Speaker 9: Of course, what did they do.
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Speaker 6: They returned to their homes in the south, and this
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Speaker 6: is just a short video report from a local media.
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Speaker 11: Outlet define fear and threats. The people of southern Lebanon
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Speaker 11: rose with unshakable resolve on Sunday, returning to their homes
45:59
Speaker 11: as the deadline for Israel's withdrawal expired. Despite a ceasefire
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Speaker 11: agreement requiring full withdrawal, Israeli forces remain entrenched, violating the
46:08
Speaker 11: deal with brutal force. As thousands of courageous Lebanese crossed
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Speaker 11: into their occupied towns. Israeli forces responded with machine gun
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Speaker 11: fire and shelling, killing twenty two and injuring one hundred
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Speaker 11: and twenty four civilians in cold blood. In addition to
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Speaker 11: the violence, the Israeli forces arrested several civilians attempting to
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Speaker 11: reclaim their homes. The Lebanese people demonstrated remarkable resilience as
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Speaker 11: they marched forward despite the Israeli armies violence. From the
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Speaker 11: elderly to the young, they pressed on, determined to return
46:39
Speaker 11: to their homes. The Day of Return highlights their unwavering
46:42
Speaker 11: commitment to reclaiming their lands and resisting oppression.
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Speaker 6: And so what I wanted to show now is just
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Speaker 6: a video that a friend of mine very kindly took
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Speaker 6: as she went to the south yesterday during the clashes
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Speaker 6: between civilians. So these are not armed civilians, These are
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Speaker 6: not effectively members of the Hesbala military. They are civilians.
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Speaker 6: And of course the devastation in the south became very
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Speaker 6: clear from the footage that she sent me, including of
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Speaker 6: course the demolition of mosques, but not only mosques of churches. Also,
47:22
Speaker 6: as you will see shortly, this is one of the
47:25
Speaker 6: roads into the town of Chyam that was occupied by
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Speaker 6: the Zionist forces and where civilians are still.
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Speaker 9: In danger of being shot or.
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Speaker 6: Basically pushed back by the Zionis forces that are still
47:42
Speaker 6: there even today. A number of people were sniped as
47:47
Speaker 6: they were demonstrating against the Zionis tanks being still in
47:50
Speaker 6: their villages. Last night there were a number of air
47:54
Speaker 6: strikes or drone strikes in Nabatia in the south with
47:59
Speaker 6: a number of injuries, and again this morning, and so
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Speaker 6: basically Israel refusing to leave the people, refusing to abandon
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Speaker 6: their homes, and very similar scenes of course in Gaza
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Speaker 6: with if we watched the following video, you'll see what
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Speaker 6: Hamas is describing as hundreds of thousands of Palestinians returning
48:23
Speaker 6: to their homes.
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Speaker 9: In the north, and.
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Speaker 6: Israel is claiming that it's only tens of thousands.
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Speaker 9: But what is extraordinary about this?
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Speaker 6: While it's very hard, of course to describe the carnage
48:39
Speaker 6: that has been carried out by Israel, both in the
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Speaker 6: South and in Gaza, what is extraordinary about it. It's
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Speaker 6: the first time that Palestinians in particular have returned to
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Speaker 6: their homes post genocide or post ethnic cleansing. So in
48:53
Speaker 6: some ways that is a tremendous moral victory.
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Speaker 3: Happen.
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Speaker 6: And we'd actually reported previously on the plans by Monti Kohana,
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Speaker 6: which is basically Mossa to bring in US and Egyptian contractors,
49:35
Speaker 6: and actually the BBC was one of the few media
49:37
Speaker 6: outlets pick up this story and to point out the
49:40
Speaker 6: fact that US and Egyptian contractors are now working in
49:44
Speaker 6: Gaza screening cars as they passed through a checkpoint. But
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Speaker 6: of course the BBC doesn't find any problem with that,
49:50
Speaker 6: that is not by any means a violation of Palestinian sovereignty,
49:54
Speaker 6: which of course it is. And then of course this
49:57
Speaker 6: is all combined with what's going on in Lebanon, with
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Speaker 6: the increase of operations inside the West Bank which were
50:05
Speaker 6: predicted with Trump's selection, that Israel would perceive that it
50:10
Speaker 6: now has the green light to effectively ethnic cleanse Janine
50:15
Speaker 6: and the rest of the West Bank. And if we
50:17
Speaker 6: actually look at the report itself, what they're saying is
50:22
Speaker 6: that the operation in Janine, Operation Iron Wool, will be
50:26
Speaker 6: unprecedented in its size and scrope, and that the military
50:30
Speaker 6: operation in Janine began with a drone attack on infrastructure,
50:34
Speaker 6: he further said. Military analyst Amir Bohbotz further said that
50:39
Speaker 6: the operation will continue for as long as needed, noting
50:42
Speaker 6: that the goal is to secure the Israeli Army's freedom
50:45
Speaker 6: of operation throughout the West Bank and destroy and neutralized
50:49
Speaker 6: terrorists in inverted Commas, infrastructure and time bombs. So basically
50:55
Speaker 6: Gaza for the time being is finished. The Zionist movement
50:58
Speaker 6: has transferred to the West Bank.
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Speaker 1: Thank you, Vanessa, thank you very much for that. Plady
51:07
Speaker 1: to talk about an extra the day for you.
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Speaker 2: Charles, Well, we've got another chance, we have, Yes, we'll
51:14
Speaker 2: go straight to a slide now showing the King's visit
51:18
Speaker 2: to Auschwitz, which ties in with the commemoration of the
51:24
Speaker 2: Holocaust Memorial Day on Monday, the twenty seventh of January,
51:31
Speaker 2: marking eighty years since the liberation of the Auschwitz camp. Now,
51:36
Speaker 2: this is something that the King himself has described as
51:40
Speaker 2: as being a very personal, deeply personal pilgrimage, which might
51:45
Speaker 2: seem like a slightly odd remark for somebody that has
51:48
Speaker 2: no personal connection either to the place or any of
51:51
Speaker 2: the people who are involved or were involved in it,
51:56
Speaker 2: But nonetheless this has become part of a very very
52:02
Speaker 2: big splash of news and information and all leading to
52:08
Speaker 2: a particular point which I will come on to a
52:10
Speaker 2: little bit later, but just to give an idea of
52:13
Speaker 2: the significance of this, the Royal family, typically from their
52:17
Speaker 2: Twitter profile, send out about one message a day. They
52:22
Speaker 2: sent out nine tweets specifically about the Holocaust Memorial Day.
52:27
Speaker 2: Of course, the Prime Minister kissed Arma was at Auschwitz
52:30
Speaker 2: on seventeenth of January, where he said, time and again
52:33
Speaker 2: we condemn this hatred and we boldly say never again.
52:37
Speaker 2: But where is never again when we see the poison
52:39
Speaker 2: of anti Semitism rising around the world in the aftermath
52:42
Speaker 2: of October seventh? Where is never again when the pulse
52:45
Speaker 2: of fear is beating in our own Jewish community, as
52:48
Speaker 2: people are despicably targeted once again for the very same
52:51
Speaker 2: reason because they are Jewish. Now, I think he's taking
52:55
Speaker 2: some great liberty there. To suggest that this is or
52:59
Speaker 2: any of what he's just describing is because they are
53:02
Speaker 2: Jewish is a point too far. David Lammy hosted a
53:08
Speaker 2: reception at the Foreign and Commonwealth Development Office and that
53:12
Speaker 2: was with the Israeli EMBc, and he goes on to say,
53:15
Speaker 2: I'm proud to host you all in a Foreign, Commonwealth
53:17
Speaker 2: and Development Office on Holocaust Memorial Day. And I've been
53:20
Speaker 2: so glad to come into this job as the UK
53:22
Speaker 2: holds the presidency of the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance. I
53:26
Speaker 2: want to thank all those involved in running our presidency
53:29
Speaker 2: in particular Eric Pickles, whose work as Envoy only reinforces
53:33
Speaker 2: the cross party nature of our country's commitment to Holocaust remembrance.
53:37
Speaker 2: One of the projects we've been sponsoring during our presidency
53:40
Speaker 2: has been Eighty Objects Eighty Lives, curated by the Association
53:44
Speaker 2: of Jewish Refugees and the UK Holocaust Memorial Foundation. This
53:48
Speaker 2: exhibition connects the testimonies of eighty survivors with eighty objects
53:52
Speaker 2: from before now. The Holocaust Memorial is something that we've
53:57
Speaker 2: talked about a lot on UK Column before because of
54:01
Speaker 2: the way in which it has been, a process by
54:04
Speaker 2: which planning permission has been ridden roughshot over by successive governments,
54:08
Speaker 2: but also to point out that quite specifically the area
54:12
Speaker 2: in question, which is Victoria Tower Garden to the South
54:15
Speaker 2: Palace of Westminster, is subject to restrictions on such developments.
54:21
Speaker 2: Also worth noting that it contains the Buxton Memorial, which
54:25
Speaker 2: you can see in the foreground on the right of
54:27
Speaker 2: your picture there, but also the Burghers of Calais and
54:30
Speaker 2: Monument to Emmeline Pankhurst, among others. But of course we
54:34
Speaker 2: are told that the Holocaust must assume precedentspite the fact
54:38
Speaker 2: that it did not take place in this country. Further,
54:42
Speaker 2: the Holocaust galleries are just over the river at the
54:46
Speaker 2: Imperial War Museum shown on the map there, less than
54:48
Speaker 2: a mile away from the proposed site. So this is
54:53
Speaker 2: absolutely something that it deserves further scrutiny. But back in September,
54:59
Speaker 2: Kirston spoke at the Holocaust Education Trust where he referenced
55:03
Speaker 2: online misinformation and conspiracy theories and again reinforce this point
55:07
Speaker 2: about building a national Holocaust memorial and learning center even
55:11
Speaker 2: though planning permission has not been granted, and he said
55:14
Speaker 2: that we'll build it next to Parliament, boldly, proudly, unapologetically,
55:19
Speaker 2: not as a Jewish community initiative, but as a national initiative,
55:22
Speaker 2: a national statement of the truth of the Holocaust. So
55:26
Speaker 2: this apart from this just being a corruption of the
55:28
Speaker 2: planning process and the restrictions on development in the Tower gardens,
55:33
Speaker 2: it is also of course dismissing all the other things
55:37
Speaker 2: that are going on there. He says that we've got
55:39
Speaker 2: to be bolder and more defiant about the national importance
55:43
Speaker 2: of Holocaust education. As you will all know, the Holocaust
55:47
Speaker 2: is on the curriculum at key stage three and there
55:49
Speaker 2: is currently a review of our national curriculum. But tonight
55:52
Speaker 2: I'm making two decisions in advance of that review. First,
55:55
Speaker 2: the Holocaust will remain on the curriculum come what may.
55:59
Speaker 2: And second, even schools who do not currently have to
56:02
Speaker 2: follow the national curriculum will have to teach the Holocaust
56:06
Speaker 2: when the new curriculum comes in for the first time.
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Speaker 2: Studying the Holocaust will become a critical, vital part of
56:12
Speaker 2: every single student's identity, and not just studying it, learning
56:16
Speaker 2: from it too. So it seems reasonable to ask why
56:19
Speaker 2: this subject should be the only one forced into the
56:21
Speaker 2: curriculum by law. Now Closely related to this is the
56:26
Speaker 2: news from just over a week ago from the Knesset
56:31
Speaker 2: saying that the final readings have been approved for the
56:37
Speaker 2: second and third readings in the Prohibition on Denial of
56:40
Speaker 2: the Events of the October the seventh, twenty twenty three
56:43
Speaker 2: Massacre bill, which has been sponsored by a group of
56:46
Speaker 2: members of the Knesset. Sixteen of them supported the bill
56:51
Speaker 2: without any opposing votes or abstention. It's also proposed to
56:55
Speaker 2: add a new offense, according to which a person who
56:58
Speaker 2: publishes statements denying the Octave of the seventh massacre with
57:01
Speaker 2: the intent of defending the hamas terrorist organization and its
57:05
Speaker 2: partners or expressing sympathy or identification with them, will be
57:09
Speaker 2: charged with a criminal offense, bearing a penalty of five
57:13
Speaker 2: years imprisonment. This really does seem like a very significant
57:18
Speaker 2: move to make. And I'm ascribing a quote here to
57:23
Speaker 2: Sint Augustin. Whether or not he said it or wrote
57:25
Speaker 2: it is neither here nor there, but it is as follows.
57:28
Speaker 2: The truth is like a lion. You don't have to
57:29
Speaker 2: defend it. Let it loose. It will defend itself. Now
57:33
Speaker 2: I've run over, but we will be talking about this
57:35
Speaker 2: in extra because I would certainly like Vanessa's comment on
57:39
Speaker 2: all of this and where it's going.
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Speaker 1: Indeed, Vanessa, let me welcome you back and well. Trump
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Speaker 1: then has been in the media in the last day
57:50
Speaker 1: or two for many many things, but one of the
57:52
Speaker 1: things that's grabbed the headlines has been as comments on Gaza.
57:57
Speaker 6: Yes, I mean, as I've mentioned many times, you know,
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Speaker 6: US foreign policy is basically a tag team event. Biden
58:04
Speaker 6: devastated Gaza during his presidency, and Trump is now coming
58:10
Speaker 6: in to try and put into effect some of the
58:12
Speaker 6: ideas that were raised during the genocide against the Palestinians
58:18
Speaker 6: that began one hundred years ago, but obviously intensified after
58:23
Speaker 6: October the seventh. So this is his idea to move
58:27
Speaker 6: the Gazans to Egypt and Jordan, which, of course we've
58:30
Speaker 6: heard before. Jared Kushner, his son in law, was talking
58:34
Speaker 6: about developing the Gaza waterfront territory into a new kind
58:41
Speaker 6: of real estate project back in March twenty twenty four
58:44
Speaker 6: and had absolutely no problem with the ethnic cleansing of
58:48
Speaker 6: Palestinians in order to.
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Speaker 9: Allow this to happen.
58:51
Speaker 6: So let's just play a section of what Trump said
58:54
Speaker 6: while he was boarding Air Force one. So the sound
58:56
Speaker 6: is not great, but I think you can pick up
58:58
Speaker 6: pretty much what he's saying.
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Speaker 1: Looking at the whole Gaza script right now, and it's
59:04
Speaker 1: a mess. It's real. So you'd like Jordan's house people
59:08
Speaker 1: five thousand to take people. I'd like Egypt to take
59:12
Speaker 1: people I'm meeting with. I'll talk you to General l
59:16
Speaker 1: CC tomorrow sometimes, and I'd like Egypt to take people.
59:21
Speaker 1: And I'd like Jordan to take me.
59:23
Speaker 10: Boy I could be you're talking about robber you to
59:27
Speaker 10: have been, and we just cleaned out that.
59:31
Speaker 6: All the day, I mean the language, you know, we
59:37
Speaker 6: just clean out the whole thing.
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Speaker 9: Now, this isn't a new idea.
59:41
Speaker 6: This is a leaked US cable on x published by
59:46
Speaker 6: Mohammed Chahda, Garsen.
59:48
Speaker 9: Analyst and journalists.
59:50
Speaker 6: So it's a leaked US cable from two thousand and
59:52
Speaker 6: four where Israel's Nation Security Council Chief your Island admits
59:57
Speaker 6: that Garza is a huge concentration camp and for grabbing
1:00:01
Speaker 6: six hundred kilometers from the Sinai. And of course it's
1:00:05
Speaker 6: worth pointing out that the HTS unelected government that is
1:00:11
Speaker 6: now in control pretty much in Syria and of course
1:00:16
Speaker 6: is collaborating with Israel, has elements within Jordan and Egypt
1:00:21
Speaker 6: that are already to some degree being triggered to destabilize
1:00:25
Speaker 6: those countries, should of course, they not agree with Trump's
1:00:29
Speaker 6: plan to deport Palestinians to both Jordan and Egypt. Now
1:00:35
Speaker 6: this is quite interesting because another idea was also posed
1:00:39
Speaker 6: that Trump was thinking of sending one hundred thousand Godsen
1:00:42
Speaker 6: refugees to Albania. Albanian Prime Minister Eddie Rama on Monday
1:00:47
Speaker 6: rejected reports that his country is holding talks with the
1:00:50
Speaker 6: US on taking in one hundred thousand refugees. And yet
1:00:54
Speaker 6: again we have the Jared Kushner connection here, who is
1:00:57
Speaker 6: looking at developing with golf money. Sazan Island off the
1:01:02
Speaker 6: coast of Albania, which was a former Soviet Union military
1:01:07
Speaker 6: outpost and chemical weapons facility. Now it is Italian Albanian,
1:01:14
Speaker 6: presumably working to combat drug trafficking.
1:01:19
Speaker 9: So interesting scenario there.
1:01:22
Speaker 6: I'm not quite sure how the Albanian connection comes into that.
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Speaker 9: If anyone in the audience.
1:01:27
Speaker 6: Has an idea, please let us know and we can
1:01:29
Speaker 6: talk about it an extra.
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Speaker 1: Thank you, Vanessa, thank you for that. And well we've
1:01:35
Speaker 1: got to finish because we are absolutely out of time,
1:01:38
Speaker 1: so thanks to Vanessa, thank you to Charles. We will
1:01:41
Speaker 1: be back in a few minutes on the members live
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