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David Whitehead | Belief & Faith VS Truth · Ryder Lee

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  Speaker 1: What is your opinion on the difference between belief and truth.
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  Speaker 2: They're two very different things. They're two completely different things
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  Speaker 2: believing something. First of all, it is kind of a
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  Speaker 2: coincidence in my mind that the word lie is written
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  Speaker 2: in the word believe. It's right in the middle of it.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Whereas to me, people that are truly looking for spiritual
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  Speaker 2: understanding and knowledge, they are they're looking for the noses,
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  Speaker 2: they're looking for the knowledge of whether something is true
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  Speaker 2: or not true. So, and you have your sort of
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  Speaker 2: subjective truth, right, which is just anything that you can
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  Speaker 2: derive meaning from, and then there's the objective truth of
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  Speaker 2: factual reality, factual accurate history, et cetera. Right, So truth
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  Speaker 2: to me is what are the facts of reality.
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  Speaker 1: And.
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  Speaker 2: Belief is something that you might have as a stand
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  Speaker 2: in in the meantime until you find the actual facts. Right,
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  Speaker 2: So you might have you might say, oh, I believe this,
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  Speaker 2: or I believe that when we say it, we actually
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  Speaker 2: mean I'm not one hundred percent sure about this, but
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  Speaker 2: I've seen a lot of indications that it might be true.
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  Speaker 2: Like when I hear people say I believe it, that's
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  Speaker 2: usually what they mean. And I think that's a better
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  Speaker 2: use of the word. But when you think of a
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  Speaker 2: religious minded person when they say believe, they're talking about
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  Speaker 2: the word faith and they're talking about the idea that
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  Speaker 2: they believe something to be true to the level of
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  Speaker 2: actual objective truth. And I think that's a gross misunderstanding
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  Speaker 2: of the term. And I think there's a huge difference
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  Speaker 2: between belief. I mean, look at the world we live in.
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  Speaker 2: It's full of people with different beliefs. They can't all
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  Speaker 2: be true at the same time. There has to be
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  Speaker 2: an objective truth we can measure it off of to
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  Speaker 2: see what beliefs are true and what aren't right. So
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  Speaker 2: that's how I look at it.
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  Speaker 1: It's also interesting that the letter you is right in
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  Speaker 1: the center of the word truth as well. Right, that's true.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think that belief has overruled truth in our
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  Speaker 1: reality one percent?
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  Speaker 2: Because we live in a world where people have they
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  Speaker 2: have preferences of understanding. Right. This is where we get
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  Speaker 2: into why I think we're so confused, everything's so backwards
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  Speaker 2: and our whole civilization is unraveling right now, is that
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  Speaker 2: we disconnected ourselves from the pursuit of truth and instead
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  Speaker 2: signed on for various belief systems and I'm not here
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  Speaker 2: to say anything derogatory towards people that choose to follow
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  Speaker 2: a particular religious faith or whatever. That's totally your prerogative, right.
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  Speaker 2: But when I see things from the institutional level and
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  Speaker 2: how it's gotten corrupted over time, and we can talk
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  Speaker 2: about that is at some point, is that they want
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  Speaker 2: those that control the narrative of our society. Religion is
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  Speaker 2: a huge, very important thing to them because they know
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  Speaker 2: how powerful that is over the human mind. So those
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  Speaker 2: are the first places, those are the houses of light.
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  Speaker 2: And the original religious structures were co opted to replace
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  Speaker 2: the pursuit of truth with beliefs that were already pre
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  Speaker 2: written for people to just digest, listen to, and then belief.
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  Speaker 2: And so I look at it as a lot of
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  Speaker 2: these beliefs are just anxiety easing preferences. They're not essentially
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  Speaker 2: rooted in factual reality. And just look at the world.
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  Speaker 2: Look at what we just went through with the pandemic,
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  Speaker 2: and how many people believed Anthony Fauci and the CDC
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  Speaker 2: and the World Health Organization versus factual reality that is
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  Speaker 2: now being proven to contradict everything they told you to believe.
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  Speaker 2: So that's a good example. And I think there's plenty
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  Speaker 2: of that to be looked at when it comes to
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  Speaker 2: religions totally out of context. You know what.
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  Speaker 1: Would require something to be a fact, David, because there's
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  Speaker 1: something Just because something's written down doesn't make it true.
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  Speaker 1: If we take the Bible for instance, our belief in
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  Speaker 1: the Bible is what I think makes it true me personally,
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  Speaker 1: just like our belief in any article, any newspaper, online,
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  Speaker 1: message boards, social media. We're believing that they're presenting the facts.
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  Speaker 1: But the facts has to come along with evidence and
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  Speaker 1: proofs in order for it to be a fact. If
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't, then in my mind it's a belief. So
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  Speaker 1: at what point does belief become truth? If it ever does.
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  Speaker 2: In your opinion, well, you've answered it when facts and
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  Speaker 2: evidence come to bear. When you have, you could look
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  Speaker 2: at it like you know you're going to have. You're
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  Speaker 2: observing the world and life all the time, and you're
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  Speaker 2: making judgment calls based on that information, and we have
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  Speaker 2: a built in mechanism in our psyche that requires us
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  Speaker 2: to be that requires our determinations and our judgments to
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  Speaker 2: be accurate and right and correct, because otherwise our survival
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  Speaker 2: is threatened. Like if you go on this massive camping
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  Speaker 2: trip to Mount Kilimanjaro and you don't bring any equipment,
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  Speaker 2: right because you just you wanted to just climb the
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  Speaker 2: mountains so badly, but you didn't prepare properly for it. Well,
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  Speaker 2: nature doesn't care what your feelings are or the fact
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  Speaker 2: that you had all these high hopes of climbing this mountain.
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  Speaker 2: If you don't prepare properly, Nature's going to kick you
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  Speaker 2: in the arse. It's just a fact of reality. And
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  Speaker 2: I think that that what I just said there, and
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  Speaker 2: there's many examples of that. That side of nature is
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  Speaker 2: extremely threatening to people who who are who need to
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  Speaker 2: feel like they're in control of nature and of reality
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  Speaker 2: in order to rid themselves of their inner angst. Right,
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  Speaker 2: so they would prefer to believe things that support those
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  Speaker 2: anxiety easing preferences instead of realizing, Note, we live in
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  Speaker 2: this world and there are laws of nature, and to me,
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  Speaker 2: that is the truth. On the base level. The truth
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  Speaker 2: is that right now where I live, it's sunny and
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  Speaker 2: the sun is shining and there is no snow on
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  Speaker 2: the ground. Whereas the truth for you is that you
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  Speaker 2: just told me there's a big snow fall that just happened,
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  Speaker 2: and so you can objectively verify that and go look
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  Speaker 2: at it and experience it, and that's a good place
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  Speaker 2: to start, and then from there we can add to that. So,
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  Speaker 2: but what happens is people that process is too painstaking,
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  Speaker 2: it's too there's too much energy that goes into trying
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  Speaker 2: to find out. You know, here's all these options, which
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  Speaker 2: one is true and which one isn't, and people would
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  Speaker 2: rather just go to what's simple, what appeals to them,
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  Speaker 2: and what's comfortable, whereas the actual truth. If you've ever
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  Speaker 2: experienced this in your own personal life, as I have,
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure you have, the truth is usually the most
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  Speaker 2: uncomfortable option on the table, if you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 2: So I think this is why our world moves towards
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  Speaker 2: this sort of mysteria and this type of belief in
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  Speaker 2: that sort of negative sense. I'm not saying belief is negative,
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  Speaker 2: but in that negative sense where we're actually walking away
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  Speaker 2: from truth and the pursuit of truth for the sake
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  Speaker 2: of the belief, that's where the problem can come in.
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  Speaker 2: And so I'm hoping people would walk more in line
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  Speaker 2: with what those Bibles and all those scriptures told them,
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  Speaker 2: which was to seek the truth and the fact that
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  Speaker 2: it's all right there. But it's been presented in a
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  Speaker 2: way where people are now told by these priests and
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  Speaker 2: by these institutions how to interpret those ancient texts, and
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  Speaker 2: therefore people aren't really learning how to discover the truth
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  Speaker 2: for themselves. They're seeking the higher authority to tell them
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  Speaker 2: what the truth is. And I think that's where we've
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  Speaker 2: gone wrong so many times.
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  Speaker 1: You know it's a fact and you believe it, then
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  Speaker 1: that would be considered a truth, right. But if it's
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  Speaker 1: not a fact and you still believe it, does it
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  Speaker 1: become truth for you? I guess, is my question.
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  Speaker 2: No, it doesn't, because your belief in something can't change
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  Speaker 2: the facts of reality. So I could believe right now
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  Speaker 2: that it's snowing outside of my house too, just like
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  Speaker 2: it is for you, because I want to be in
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  Speaker 2: sync with you and share in that common experience so
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  Speaker 2: badly that I'm going to be like, no, writer, it's
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  Speaker 2: snowing right now. I believe it to be true because
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  Speaker 2: I want it to be true, right, So that's a belief.
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  Speaker 2: And then you could say, yeah, but do you have
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  Speaker 2: a picture you could show me, like, is there actually
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  Speaker 2: snow on the ground, and if you came and saw
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  Speaker 2: me and saw there's no snow on the ground, you'd
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  Speaker 2: be like, Okay, that was wrong, that was incorrect, right,
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  Speaker 2: And so we can believe all the things we want
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  Speaker 2: to believe, but belief does not make something true. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I think we're living in an age that definitely proves
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  Speaker 2: that out.
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  Speaker 1: Because when you look back through a lot of the
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  Speaker 1: things that's been perpetuated in this community, it seems like
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  Speaker 1: it stems from an unproven, unexisting evidence, right, Like the
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  Speaker 1: whole idea of greened memories, the whole idea of missing time,
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  Speaker 1: gray aliens. It all comes from one source with no backing,
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  Speaker 1: with no evidence, with no proof, and then that thought
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  Speaker 1: form gets perpetuated out into the public and then before
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  Speaker 1: you know it, a lot of people start saying that
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  Speaker 1: they have screen memories, they have missing times, they're getting
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  Speaker 1: abducted by gray aliens. It's almost like a thought form
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  Speaker 1: that's being perpetuated into the collective thought form, and then
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  Speaker 1: it's making other people experience, almost verbatim, the exact same thing,
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  Speaker 1: when it might not even be real. It might just
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  Speaker 1: be a thought. And I want to do your opinion on.
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  Speaker 2: That, right, right, Yeah, and I mean we can get
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  Speaker 2: into the weeds on the whole UFO subject to try
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  Speaker 2: to figure out the difference between what exactly you're talking about,
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  Speaker 2: because I agree that's a huge factor to all these things.
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  Speaker 2: It's so much of our reality is born out of ideas,
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  Speaker 2: and have the people you ask, or most of the
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  Speaker 2: people you ask, where did you actually get that idea from?
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  Speaker 2: Where did you get that belief from? And they probably
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  Speaker 2: couldn't even tell you, right, It's almost like the hundredth
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  Speaker 2: monkey effect, you know, or what Rupert Sheldrake talks about
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  Speaker 2: with this morphinogenic field concept where a mouse in Canada
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  Speaker 2: learns how to run a maze, and then all the mice,
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  Speaker 2: no matter where you are, are able to do the
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  Speaker 2: same thing. There's like a sort of connective thing that
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  Speaker 2: happens throughout the species. You wonder if it's the same
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  Speaker 2: with humanity. I mean, why wouldn't it be? And so yeah,
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  Speaker 2: especially in the age of social media and all this
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  Speaker 2: as well. But that's not to say there aren't legitimate
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  Speaker 2: experiences that can be verified by objective scientific observers that
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  Speaker 2: can look at it and determine is this just you
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  Speaker 2: following a trend and kind of making it up in
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  Speaker 2: your head because it's a thought form, as you said,
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  Speaker 2: or is this is there actual physical evidence for what
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  Speaker 2: you're talking about, right? And I would say that I
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  Speaker 2: think there's a bit of both there for sure, more
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  Speaker 2: so on the end of what you're saying, I still
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  Speaker 2: reserve a little ten percent for the experiences that can
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  Speaker 2: be verified one hundred percent. So you wonder, actually that
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  Speaker 2: might be the origin of a lot of the myths
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  Speaker 2: that have lasted for thousands of years, is that once
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  Speaker 2: upon a time they actually did have They were based
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  Speaker 2: on legitimate, real experiences. They were just spoken about through
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  Speaker 2: the cultural narratives and the traditions of the people that
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  Speaker 2: were recounting those experiences. And then it's like the game
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  Speaker 2: of telephone over time, he passing the telephone, the next guy,
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  Speaker 2: he's slowly adding his mind forms to that. And here
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  Speaker 2: we are thousands of years later going see it's right there,
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  Speaker 2: And you go, yeah, but that's so that doesn't eliminate
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  Speaker 2: at all, but it makes you think, well, we got
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  Speaker 2: to get to the source. Where did all these ideas
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  Speaker 2: even come from. Did they come from some kind of
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  Speaker 2: legitimate experience in the ancient past that maybe traumatized human beings,
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  Speaker 2: and we've been recounting it for thousands of years and
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  Speaker 2: losing the truth of what really happened and creating myths instead,
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  Speaker 2: which isn't all bad, but it can lead you away
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  Speaker 2: from the truth if you take it all literally, right,
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  Speaker 2: and it puts us in this problem. So I think
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  Speaker 2: it's a bit of both. But you're right. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: so much of what we adopt comes from Like I'll
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  Speaker 2: give an example. There are many beliefs even in the
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  Speaker 2: alternative research community that I can tell you the person's
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  Speaker 2: name of where that originated from, like even getting into
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  Speaker 2: this idea of project Bluebeam and all this kind of stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Not to say they don't have that ability, but we
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  Speaker 2: know the source of where that meme came in to
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  Speaker 2: that community, right, Yet the community parrots it to this
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  Speaker 2: moment as if it's like holy writ right. And there's
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  Speaker 2: so many examples of this, So again doesn't mean it's
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  Speaker 2: all wrong, but people do hang on to the thought
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  Speaker 2: form of the belief and don't and rarely go and
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  Speaker 2: look into the sources to see what's what. You know,
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  Speaker 2: what I'm saying