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Set 1: Are the Rams Overrated? (w/ Bear) · Stugotz and Company

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  Speaker 1: I honestly, until after the segment ended and we went
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  Speaker 1: to commercial break, had no idea that Jonathan Coachman was black.
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  Speaker 2: He cost them the game last night. Although they won
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  Speaker 2: the game. You're listening to Stugatz & Company.
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  Speaker 1: Mikey A, put it on the ball or the Rams overrated?
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  Speaker 2: They look bad last night, Mikey A.
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  Speaker 1: We'll get to Bear and his picks for the weekend
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  Speaker 1: coming up here in about five or six minutes. But, Mikey,
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  Speaker 1: we were having a debate on the radio yesterday. Taylor,
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  Speaker 1: it was a think about it Thursday. You were off
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  Speaker 1: of radio. We asked the question, do you like San
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  Speaker 1: Francisco's way of traveling to Australia? They got there a
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  Speaker 1: week in advance. Were the Rams' way off? which is
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  Speaker 1: hop on a bird, get off the bird, play a
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  Speaker 1: football game, and go home. San Francisco clearly chose the
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  Speaker 1: right way to attack a game in Australia.
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  Speaker 3: I will say San Francisco picked the right way for
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  Speaker 3: game one. Let's see how it works game two when
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  Speaker 3: they have to go back and all of a sudden
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  Speaker 3: get back.
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  Speaker 2: On the U.S.
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  Speaker 4: Clock instead of the Australia clock.
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  Speaker 5: In one week.
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  Speaker 1: Because you're saying their minds and bodies, at least for
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  Speaker 1: another two weeks, are going to be in Australia time.
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  Speaker 1: And as someone who went there for three weeks, I
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  Speaker 1: can tell you Mikey is right.
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  Speaker 4: They might have won the battle and lost the war, Sanford.
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  Speaker 1: Who do they play next weekend? That's a great question.
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  Speaker 1: It's a great point by you.
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  Speaker 2: Meanwhile, right. It feels like the Rams.
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  Speaker 4: Doesn't matter. They're home to the Dolphins next week. It
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  Speaker 4: doesn't matter.
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  Speaker 2: They could fall asleep. They're fine. Never mind. Excuse me.
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  Speaker 2: I messed up.
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  Speaker 4: San Francisco's way was better.
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  Speaker 2: Put it on the poll.
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  Speaker 1: If the Niners are sleeping during the Dolphins game because
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  Speaker 1: they're still on Australian time, do you still expect them
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  Speaker 1: to win?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, man. We shouldn't be surprised, right?
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  Speaker 1: Especially... There hasn't been a game played in the NFL, Mikey.
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  Speaker 1: And we always say on any given Sunday, in this case,
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  Speaker 1: it was on any given Friday night in Melbourne, Australia.
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  Speaker 1: But we shouldn't be surprised. San Francisco's a good team.
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  Speaker 1: Brock Purdy's a good quarterback. Kyle Shanahan's a great coach.
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  Speaker 1: And they beat the Rams, everyone's favorite, headed into the season.
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  Speaker 1: We've talked about it, Rams of the field. But we
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  Speaker 1: should not be surprised with last night's results. San Francisco's
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  Speaker 1: a good football team.
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  Speaker 3: Winning the game wasn't the surprising part. Winning 27-7, making
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  Speaker 3: Matt Stafford look like he's finally hit that wall or
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  Speaker 3: he's a rookie, making that defense look like, oh, they're
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  Speaker 3: easily gotten to, making Myles Garrett, who's supposed to be
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  Speaker 3: the world record, and he is, but he didn't even
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  Speaker 3: have a quarterback pressure in that game.
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  Speaker 4: That's the surprising part. Not a win, but a win
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  Speaker 4: like that was why it was surprising.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm hoping when the Rams get home from
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  Speaker 1: this trip that Aaron Donald is still willing to play
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  Speaker 1: for that crappy team.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe he signs with San Francisco.
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  Speaker 4: I am unretiring, just not for you.
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  Speaker 2: That team over there, they're good.
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  Speaker 1: They're a defensive tackle away from maybe.
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  Speaker 2: Making it to a Super Bowl. It's funny.
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  Speaker 1: You know what was interesting last night? That was San Francisco.
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  Speaker 1: McCaffrey didn't do much. and San Francisco still beat the
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  Speaker 1: most talented team in the NFL, and they beat them
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  Speaker 1: up good. That's the thing, and I think you're right
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  Speaker 1: about it. It's not San Francisco winning the game. It's
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  Speaker 1: the way San Francisco won that game.
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  Speaker 5: It's crazy to me.
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  Speaker 3: They didn't ask Christian McCaffrey to do much. Like, they
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  Speaker 3: gave him 10 carries. They gave their new rookie, Kalon Black,
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  Speaker 3: they gave him 14 carries. Now, in those 10 carries,
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  Speaker 3: Christian McCaffrey had 68 yards to Kalon Black's 65, so.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, do the math there, but it was, it was.
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  Speaker 3: Interesting to see also how Mike Evans, despite missing most
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  Speaker 3: of the preseason with an injury, him and Brock party
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  Speaker 3: look like, Oh, this is how, this is how we're
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  Speaker 3: going to work it. I'm going to throw it up
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  Speaker 3: to you and you're going.
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  Speaker 2: To catch it. Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, he's a big target. He's a great wide receiver. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: they have Debo Samuel back, uh, and you're right.
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  Speaker 2: The rookie ran.
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  Speaker 1: Listen, if you have an opportunity and I don't think that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, um, I don't think Shanahan went into last
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  Speaker 1: night's game thinking this would be one of those opportunities.
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  Speaker 1: But if you have an opportunity to win a football game, Mikey,
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  Speaker 1: and only give Christian McCaffrey the ball 10 times, he
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  Speaker 1: had five catches for 20.
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  Speaker 2: So he had 15 touches.
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  Speaker 1: You take those opportunities because you want to keep him
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  Speaker 1: healthy for the entire regular season, something he did a
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  Speaker 1: year ago, but he hasn't done frequently in his career.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's more of a fantasy thing at this point
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  Speaker 3: where you look at him and you go, if that's
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  Speaker 3: going to be the split going forward, where Christian McCaffrey
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  Speaker 3: is involved in the offense, but he's not the focal point,
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  Speaker 3: what's that going to do to his numbers?
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  Speaker 2: Right. If you took him in fantasy. Of course.
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  Speaker 4: And I didn't.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, but Kyle Shanahan doesn't care about your fantasy team.
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  Speaker 2: Nor should he.
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  Speaker 1: He cares about his football team. And I would tell
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  Speaker 1: you to pick up Kalon Black. That's what I would
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  Speaker 1: tell you to do if indeed he's going to get
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  Speaker 1: the ball that much. Stafford's interesting. Listen, you can fly
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  Speaker 1: a bunch of young guys across the world to Australia,
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  Speaker 1: but as you get up there in age and you
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  Speaker 1: approach your 40s, you're in your 40s, you can't just
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  Speaker 1: hop on a bird for 23 hours, hop off the
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  Speaker 1: bird and play quarterback at a professional level. You can't
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  Speaker 1: at that age. You know, Brock Purdy could do it,
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  Speaker 1: but he's still in his 20s. Matthew Stafford's an old man.
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  Speaker 4: I know. He's like 40.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm just telling you, it's different. Flying is different
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  Speaker 1: as you get older. I mean, don't you feel it?
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  Speaker 2: You're my age. He hates me.
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  Speaker 5: I hate you.
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  Speaker 1: So what's going to happen here? What's the conversation going
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  Speaker 1: to be today and over the weekend? The Rams are
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  Speaker 1: overrated or San Francisco is underrated and really good and
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  Speaker 1: could potentially make it to the Super Bowl out of
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  Speaker 1: the NFC.
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  Speaker 3: What should be the conversation is how's good San Francisco is.
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  Speaker 3: What will be the conversation is that the Rams are overrated.
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  Speaker 1: They're the LSU of the NFL. And I got to
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  Speaker 1: tell you, Mikey, I have to be honest with you.
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  Speaker 1: I delighted, and I imagine I'll feel the same way
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  Speaker 1: if LSU and Lane Kiffin loses a game and gets
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  Speaker 1: blown out in unexpected fashion.
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  Speaker 2: I was delighting.
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  Speaker 1: It's Sean McVay having it handed to him by Kyle Shanahan.
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  Speaker 2: I was just because they're overwhelming. I'm tired of the Rams.
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  Speaker 5: Why do we hate Sean McVay? I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: Now it's Sean McVay.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I listen to the written. They think they're smarter than everyone.
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  Speaker 1: They think they're better than everyone. And maybe they are.
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  Speaker 1: They're handsome guys. They're in good shape. They look good.
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  Speaker 1: They got tons of money, but to send your accounting
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  Speaker 1: staff over to Melbourne, Australia, To test out whether it's
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  Speaker 1: good to be there for 24 hours or for a
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  Speaker 1: week seems like a total waste of time. And it
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  Speaker 1: turns out that it was.
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  Speaker 3: I just have you watching NFL games now, and every
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  Speaker 3: time they show certain players or coaches, you go, what.
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  Speaker 4: Do you think you're better than me?
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  Speaker 2: Put it on the poll. Does Sean McVay think he's
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  Speaker 2: better than you? He is.
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  Speaker 1: Does Les Snead also think he's better than you? Put
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  Speaker 1: that on the poll. You're saying McVay is better than us?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. I'm not 0-1. Bear from some hotel in
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  Speaker 2: What's going on, man?
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  Speaker 5: Michigan fans. If you associate it with anybody but Michigan,
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  Speaker 5: you're like, what the hell? like how is like western
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  Speaker 5: michigan not being declared the winner of this game and
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  Speaker 5: yes i almost turned the channel off like last week
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  Speaker 5: but like i started laughing i'm like oh my god
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  Speaker 5: they actually lost the game and i'm like look at
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  Speaker 5: my hand turn the turn the game i'm like what
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  Speaker 5: are they looking at.
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  Speaker 2: A different clock.
• 10:18
  Speaker 5: The double secret probationary clock that apparently exists it is
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  Speaker 5: interesting though because the ncaa to come out now and
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  Speaker 5: like issue this by ruling and they're basically saying yeah
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  Speaker 5: they fucked up but we can't do anything.
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  Speaker 1: About it yes It was odd to me that Western
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  Speaker 1: Michigan was not nearly as upset as everyone else was.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I mean.
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  Speaker 5: Like, fight for your team. Now, again, the theory out
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  Speaker 5: there was we don't want to upset the Big Ten
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  Speaker 5: because then we're not going to get any of the
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  Speaker 5: big non-conference paydays. So, like, who knows? But, yeah, fight
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  Speaker 5: for your team, Mikey.
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  Speaker 3: Bear, everything you're saying is right. Stop a 50-yard Hail Mary.
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  Speaker 3: Before you get upset, stop a 50-yard Hail Mary.
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  Speaker 2: Listen, do it twice.
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  Speaker 3: Bear, when you're in Michigan, where do you get to
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  Speaker 3: watch Thursday night football? Do you get to go out
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  Speaker 3: to a bar or do you have to stay in
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  Speaker 3: that dark room and watch it on a 13-inch black
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  Speaker 3: and white?
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  Speaker 1: I mean he can go to a bar he can
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  Speaker 1: stay in the room my guess is he stays in
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  Speaker 1: the room because he doesn't want to go to a
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  Speaker 1: bar i mean.
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  Speaker 5: I was in my room yes i got i got
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  Speaker 5: to the room last night around 8 15 8 30
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  Speaker 5: right and yeah i just stayed in here and had
• 11:41
  Speaker 5: a really uh expensive exclusive dinner with some boiled egg
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  Speaker 5: whites and Watchables, yeah. We record Bear Bets Thursday in
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  Speaker 5: New York. So, like, I'm flying out usually, like, at 5,
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  Speaker 5: 5.30 from LaGuardia's. I'm not getting in to wherever I
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  Speaker 5: need to go until after dinner has already started and
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  Speaker 5: probably finished most weeks. So, yeah, I don't mind going
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  Speaker 5: to the room. Had the U.S. Open on last night.
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  Speaker 5: Had Copa Libertadores on last night as well, like, flipping
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  Speaker 5: back and forth. There was a lot to do here,
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  Speaker 5: get some work done. So, I don't mind. Hold on
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  Speaker 5: a second.
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  Speaker 3: Copa and the USO. You had Miami playing. You're a
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  Speaker 3: Miami alum. They won 77 to nothing.
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  Speaker 2: It was pointless to watch that after the first quarter.
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  Speaker 3: And then you had the NFL Melbourne game and you're
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  Speaker 3: watching Copa.
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  Speaker 2: Come on, Bear. Listen, he's watching Copa.
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  Speaker 1: What he's doing is he's expensing as much as he
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  Speaker 1: can on Fox's account.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: That's what he's doing. As much room service as he's
• 12:42
  Speaker 1: opening the minibar. He's doing everything he can to spend
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  Speaker 1: Fox's money as quickly as he can.
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  Speaker 5: Somehow I spent $ 52 at the Detroit versus everybody gift shop.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 5: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: But Mikey's larger point is right. The NFL was on
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  Speaker 1: last night and you're the guy who came on last week.
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  Speaker 1: You've been great, by the way, through two weeks, you
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  Speaker 1: have been fantastic. The audience appreciates it, but you did
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  Speaker 1: say the Rams are going to go. I think through
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  Speaker 1: five games, you said they're going to be one in
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  Speaker 1: four and the Rams lost last night.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. I thought that was a great bet to be
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  Speaker 5: able to potentially make it whatever the price was. I
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  Speaker 5: forget what the hell, 14 to one, 15 to one
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  Speaker 5: or something like that, but what it was. And yeah,
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  Speaker 5: you would think they'd come home now and beat the Jazz,
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  Speaker 5: but There's a non-zero chance that the Rams basically said
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  Speaker 5: F you to the NFL in this schedule last night.
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  Speaker 5: Isn't there? They're like, okay, we're going to go out.
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  Speaker 5: We're just going to go the day before. We're not
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  Speaker 5: going to mess up our entire season, mess up more
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  Speaker 5: than one week. We're going to go out. We're going
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  Speaker 5: to play the game. Whatever happens, happens. And we're going
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  Speaker 5: to get our asses back here and prepare for the
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  Speaker 5: actual regular season. There's a non-zero chance they said that.
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  Speaker 5: It sure as hell looked like it with their play
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  Speaker 5: on the field.
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  Speaker 2: Aaron Donald didn't make the trip. It's interesting.
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  Speaker 1: They did the same thing when they went to Europe
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  Speaker 1: last year. They flew in, played the game, flew out.
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  Speaker 1: Australia is a different animal, man. I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: you could just fly in, hop off a bird, play
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  Speaker 1: a football game, hop back on a bird. The Niners
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  Speaker 1: look like a refreshed team. The only reason I would
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  Speaker 1: counter that it's a division game against the Niners. I
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  Speaker 1: have to think the Rams, there's no way they said
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  Speaker 1: to themselves, Hey, we're going to punt on this game.
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  Speaker 2: Is there?
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  Speaker 5: It sounded good, didn't it?
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  Speaker 2: It really did.
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  Speaker 5: Who are you to be the arbiter of, like, reasoning?
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  Speaker 2: Logic.
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  Speaker 5: What's going on with him all of a sudden?
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  Speaker 1: Well, just because it's the Niners, that's all. That game's
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  Speaker 1: going to be important down the road, possibly.
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  Speaker 5: It is. I guess, really, kidding aside, I mean, obviously,
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  Speaker 5: they wanted to play, and they wanted to win and compete,
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  Speaker 5: but It sure as hell looked like they took the
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  Speaker 5: theory body-wise that we just need to get back.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 5: And from someone who spent a month in Australia a
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  Speaker 5: couple of years ago with the Women's World Cup, I
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  Speaker 5: can tell you when I came back after being there
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  Speaker 5: for a month, it was out of commission for like,
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  Speaker 5: Eight to ten days. My body was screwed up. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Bear, I was saying that on the show.
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  Speaker 1: Like, even the Niners who got there a week before
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  Speaker 1: the game. I went to Australia. I was there for
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  Speaker 1: three weeks. You have been.
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  Speaker 2: I've come back as well. Obviously, I'm here. I'm doing
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  Speaker 2: the show with you.
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  Speaker 1: It takes more than a week for your body to
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  Speaker 1: adjust to the time difference.
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  Speaker 2: It just does. Not even a week. After a week,
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  Speaker 2: I was still falling asleep in the middle of the afternoon.
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  Speaker 2: You know?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. Exactly right. Even though I'd love to go up
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  Speaker 5: there and love to do those nice coastal walks.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. Maybe the Rams aren't as good as we thought
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  Speaker 2: they were going to be. How about that?
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  Speaker 5: Oh, there is also that possibility.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Talked about it as well. Last year, we were talking
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  Speaker 5: about it this time. Is Matthew Stafford ever going to play?
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  Speaker 5: Is his back going to be okay? And it was
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  Speaker 5: just an assumption this year that that was going to
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  Speaker 5: be the case. Oh, he was going to be fine.
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  Speaker 5: And Puka had a disastrous offseason. Devontae Adams is a
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  Speaker 5: year older. there's no guarantee that Miles Garrett and Aaron Donald,
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  Speaker 5: when they come back, they're going to be the players
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  Speaker 5: that they, that they like. Why not?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Why not? I hope Aaron Donald retires. He saw the
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  Speaker 2: game last night.
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  Speaker 1: He's like, I don't want to be a part of
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  Speaker 1: that team. Are you excited for the NFL this weekend?
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  Speaker 1: I know college is your passion.
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  Speaker 2: You love it. But are you excited for the NFL Sunday?
• 16:40
  Speaker 5: I am. I am excited to, to go all in
• 16:44
  Speaker 5: on my survivor contest with the Los Angeles Chargers and
• 16:48
  Speaker 5: get absolutely burned.
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to that. You seem experienced on this front.
• 16:57
  Speaker 5: I've been someone who's gone out week one with the
• 17:00
  Speaker 5: Bengals 11 straight years, it seems. I couldn't go Bengals
• 17:04
  Speaker 5: this week. I'm excited to see someone extract revenge on
• 17:08
  Speaker 5: the Jets in the opening week of the season for
• 17:11
  Speaker 5: the second straight year. Last year, it was Aaron Rodgers
• 17:13
  Speaker 5: and the Steelers. This week it's going to be Robert
• 17:15
  Speaker 5: Sala and the god-awful-looking Tennessee Titans.
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: Before we get to your picks here and what you
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: like for the weekend, both college and the NFL, what
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: did you make here of– I thought the bigger story
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: from the Clemson-LSU game was not that LSU was so
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: overwhelming there. It was that Clemson has fallen so far
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: so quickly– That Dabo Swinney, I have to think his
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: days are numbered. He'll make the season probably. The buyout
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: is ridiculous. But I just, that was my thought. Man, Clemson,
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: four years ago, was one of the premier programs in
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: college football. And now they're a punchline, Bear.
• 17:59
  Speaker 5: And you said four years ago. And what happened within
• 18:03
  Speaker 5: that window? The sport completely changed. It's now a pay-for-play system. portal,
• 18:10
  Speaker 5: NIL type situation. That is something that Clemson has not
• 18:14
  Speaker 5: adapted to. You've seen the rise of the Indianas and
• 18:17
  Speaker 5: the SMUs in this era and the fall of some
• 18:21
  Speaker 5: of these teams, whether it's in the SEC or Clemson
• 18:24
  Speaker 5: teams that have not really adapted to this era. Like,
• 18:28
  Speaker 5: I wonder if deep down inside, look, I know Dabo
• 18:31
  Speaker 5: is a coach and he wants to coach and he
• 18:33
  Speaker 5: loves Clemson and he loves football, loves his team. I
• 18:36
  Speaker 5: wonder if it does go south if there's a small
• 18:39
  Speaker 5: part of them, that's like, you know what, why do
• 18:43
  Speaker 5: I want to deal with this garbage anymore? I don't
• 18:45
  Speaker 5: want to have to pay these fine guys to pay
• 18:50
  Speaker 5: in the portal and worry about re-recruiting the guys that
• 18:52
  Speaker 5: are on my team. And it's interesting that last week
• 18:57
  Speaker 5: you had the example of modern college football or the
• 19:00
  Speaker 5: three-year era of college football. And then you got Clemson
• 19:04
  Speaker 5: who building from within your recruiting base, playing guys that,
• 19:08
  Speaker 5: kind of were on your roster, didn't have a ton
• 19:10
  Speaker 5: of live game reps. And then you got LSU on
• 19:13
  Speaker 5: the other side who was bringing in guys from other teams,
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: but all they've been doing is playing for the last
• 19:19
  Speaker 5: couple of years. And it clearly made it to Clemson
• 19:21
  Speaker 5: is so far behind the eight ball, certainly at the
• 19:24
  Speaker 5: quarterback position. I think the receivers are good. I think,
• 19:27
  Speaker 5: I think Wesco and those guys that they have receiver
• 19:29
  Speaker 5: are good, but yeah, it will be interesting to see
• 19:32
  Speaker 5: what happens if, They lose to Miami in a fashion
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  Speaker 5: that they potentially could lose to now. No one's going
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: to think Clemson has a chance. And of course, that
• 19:40
  Speaker 5: means Clemson will rise up and play well in Death
• 19:43
  Speaker 5: Valley that night. But Clemson has an idle week the
• 19:46
  Speaker 5: week after that. And you just got to wonder maybe
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: if that could be potentially a week where Dabo and
• 19:52
  Speaker 5: the administration come to and be like, all right, maybe
• 19:55
  Speaker 5: we negotiate something. Maybe it happens at the end of
• 19:58
  Speaker 5: the year. It looked like, I don't want to say
• 20:05
  Speaker 5: a Mac team because Western Michigan went out and dominated
• 20:07
  Speaker 5: Michigan and held the ball for 40 minutes last week.
• 20:09
  Speaker 5: But they looked like a group of five type team
• 20:13
  Speaker 5: compared to what LSU looked like last week.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was pretty bad.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: Mikey, do you take everything, anything that Bear says on
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: this show, do you bet it?
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: Do you ever fade them? Why would I do something
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: like that? Because I would like you to have your
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: own mind.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: I'm just wondering if you disagree with Bear, do you
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: go opposite of Bear or do you just stay away.
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: From the game? I'll say this.
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: If I feel strongly about a game and Bear tells
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: me to bet the other way, I probably don't bet it.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: But very rarely do I have a feeling on a
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: game Bear has a feeling on.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: Okay. No, this is how I do it.
• 20:50
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: That's why I was asking.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: Because what I do is if Bear likes it, generally
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: I'll take the game. But if he doesn't, if I
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: like the opposite of what Bear is telling me, I
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: just stay away from the game.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying?
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: That's how you have to do it.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 21:04
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 21:06
  Speaker 5: That's how I am as well. It's like, okay, someone
• 21:10
  Speaker 5: I respect likes the other side. I'm not saying that
• 21:13
  Speaker 5: I don't respect either of you two guys, by the way.
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: You're supposed to laugh.
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: I got you, Bear.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: I got it.
• 21:20
  Speaker 5: But it's something where.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: My laughter was late.
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: We're always learning, like, what do they see that I
• 21:29
  Speaker 5: don't see? Am I looking at this through a different prism?
• 21:33
  Speaker 5: And you're right. I will not necessarily... And that's why
• 21:36
  Speaker 5: we talk it out, right? We talk it out on Fridays,
• 21:38
  Speaker 5: I guess?
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: I like getting different perspectives. And, yeah, if someone's gung-ho,
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: maybe I won't play a game because someone's bringing up
• 21:49
  Speaker 5: a very prudent point.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: Shame on me for getting away from that segment that
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: we started last year. We haven't continued this year. We
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: will continue it next week. I am promising you. I
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: am promising the audience. We will talk it out with
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: our sports pages in hand and figure out who all
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: three of us like.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: What do you got, Mikey?
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: I was just going to say, as far as this
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: week goes– I don't like betting NFL games in week
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: one in terms of against the spread because we really.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: Don't know who anybody is.
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: But I will bet so many unders this week because
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: everybody wants to see the high-flying offenses. They never show
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: up in week one. I'm already 2-0 betting unders. I
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: will probably bet a lot of that. But I will
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: listen to Bear if he likes some spreads.
• 22:35
  Speaker 5: I do not. I wanted to try my, but you
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: have to, I have to pick five games and circa
• 22:46
  Speaker 5: millions this week for the, and like, like I wanted
• 22:49
  Speaker 5: to get there so badly with the Atlanta Falcons getting
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: points against the Steelers, because I don't think the Steelers
• 22:57
  Speaker 5: are very good. But now I, Is Cooper Rush really
• 23:02
  Speaker 5: going to be the quarterback?
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: Yes. Yes.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: Taylor said if Cooper Rush is playing quarterback in that game,
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: he won't watch that game.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: Like, how do you bet that? Why?
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: Cooper Rush isn't better than Tua Tungwailoa.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: At this point.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: No, because the one thing you're interested in in the Falcons,
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: as it relates to the Falcons, is if Tua can
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: turn his career around, right?
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: That's what you want to see. I'm with Bear, though.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: I don't want to bet on Cooper Rush.
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: The only NFL bet that I have made this week
• 23:36
  Speaker 5: is I played the commanders team total under 19 and
• 23:40
  Speaker 5: a half. I don't know how they score against that
• 23:44
  Speaker 5: Eagles defense with the offensive line and shambles. I don't
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: know about their wide receiver depth. Jaden Daniels is someone
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: who one hit and he could be done for the game.
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: He could, He can tweak a calf or a hamstring
• 23:58
  Speaker 5: just walking under center for the first play of the game. But, yeah,
• 24:02
  Speaker 5: I don't know. Maybe it's two touchdowns and two field goals,
• 24:06
  Speaker 5: but I was going to say I don't know how
• 24:07
  Speaker 5: they score three touchdowns. You can say whatever you want
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: about Jalen Hurts and Sirianni and the coordinator on the
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: offensive side of the ball, but that defense is filthy.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: I'm with Mikey. It's a dangerous game the first Sunday.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: You've got to watch these teams play. If you based
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: it on preseason hype, you would have pounded the Rams
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: last night.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: It's ridiculous.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: All right, so Bear, who do we like here? Let's
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: start with college. What are you looking at for the
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: college slate here? You're in Ann Arbor, Michigan, Oklahoma. Michigan
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: is plus five and a half. I'm tempted to say
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: Michigan's going to win that game outright, by the way.
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: You know how I think. Mikey knows how I think.
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: Like every instinct with the betting instinct, the gambler, the
• 24:51
  Speaker 5: handicapping instinct in me, says the only side in this
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: game you can play is Michigan plus the points because
• 24:58
  Speaker 5: there isn't a single solitary soul out there that wants
• 25:02
  Speaker 5: any part of Michigan on Saturday afternoon. It's like there
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: wasn't a single solitary soul out that wanted any part
• 25:09
  Speaker 5: of Florida State on Monday night, and the Noles probably
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: should have won the game, but they're so inept and
• 25:14
  Speaker 5: so terrible that they couldn't take the gift that SMU
• 25:18
  Speaker 5: was giving them. Now, the one thing that does hold
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: me back from taking Michigan plus the points here is
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: just I don't know how we can expect Bryce Underwood
• 25:28
  Speaker 5: to be any better than what he was. Like last
• 25:32
  Speaker 5: year in this game, he was at 11-24, I think,
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: in the game in Norman. I don't know. The Michigan
• 25:39
  Speaker 5: offensive line was so bad. I would expect maybe just
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: a lot more running from Bryce Underwood to try and
• 25:47
  Speaker 5: just use his athleticism and just kind of vamp. Maybe
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: that's the way to go. But I don't know. Push
• 25:54
  Speaker 5: comes to shove. If you're in one of those contests,
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: taking Michigan would be the only thing.
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: That I could do here. But it seems like you
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: don't love the game. So what are you looking at?
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: I don't. I don't.
• 26:08
  Speaker 5: I like Mississippi State getting one and a half. Minnesota,
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: I love Kamario Taylor. I think he is a stud quarterback.
• 26:18
  Speaker 5: He's going to be a guy who a lot of
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: teams are going to be going after in the portal
• 26:23
  Speaker 5: at the end of the year, trying to get him
• 26:25
  Speaker 5: to transfer. Really good dual threat guy. Minnesota's a team
• 26:29
  Speaker 5: that a lot of people are high on in the
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: Big Ten. I don't think Mississippi State or Minnesota are
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: eight or nine win teams, but It's kind of a
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: fulcrum type game. It's a coin flip game on their
• 26:40
  Speaker 5: schedule that could really elevate them to a better bowl.
• 26:43
  Speaker 5: If you go back since 2018, Minnesota has been in
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: 10 games at home where the spread has been plus three,
• 26:51
  Speaker 5: minus three, either way within that window. And they've lost
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: eight of the 10 outright. I'm a P.J. Fleck guy,
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: so I don't think it's necessarily a reflection on him.
• 27:01
  Speaker 5: Maybe they just have a knack of losing these coin
• 27:04
  Speaker 5: flippy type games. So I like Mississippi State. plus the
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: one and a half. I like Texas to beat Ohio State.
• 27:11
  Speaker 5: Instead of laying the one and a half, I just
• 27:13
  Speaker 5: play the money line.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: Really?
• 27:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah, just take the potential for a 24-23 game or
• 27:19
  Speaker 5: an overtime game kind of out of it. I hearken back.
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: You're using all sorts of great words today, Andrew.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: Hearken back, yes.
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: In that setting, it fits.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: It feels like you should be holding a lantern.
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: A few years ago, But Sark and Texas hosted Alabama,
• 27:41
  Speaker 5: lost a close game. And then the following year, they
• 27:45
  Speaker 5: went to Tuscaloosa and won relatively easily. So I think
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: there was some parallels that you could potentially draw there.
• 27:51
  Speaker 5: I know he hasn't been great in the top 10 matchups,
• 27:55
  Speaker 5: two and six at Texas, but I think this Texas team...
• 27:59
  Speaker 5: is better than the team that they had last year.
• 28:02
  Speaker 5: I'm not sure the Ohio State team is better than
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: the one last year that beat Texas in the season
• 28:08
  Speaker 5: opener on their home field in Arches for a start.
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: I worry about the Ohio State offensive line. The lasting
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: impression I have of Ohio State from last year was
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: those tackles getting absolutely abused by Indiana and Miami in
• 28:23
  Speaker 5: the college football playoff. They're going to be going against
• 28:26
  Speaker 5: Colin Simmons and Biles. and a Texas improved Texas front.
• 28:31
  Speaker 5: I don't, not sure they're going to have a lot
• 28:34
  Speaker 5: of time for Julian saying to get the ball out
• 28:36
  Speaker 5: to those weapons. Can they run? We will see, but
• 28:41
  Speaker 5: I do like Texas on the money line. Okay. I
• 28:44
  Speaker 5: like a couple of totals. I like FIU Buffalo under
• 28:49
  Speaker 5: 47 and a half. Wow.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: You got the FIU cover backdoor last week, right?
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 28:57
  Speaker 5: Their defense played awesome, but they couldn't stop the ball
• 29:00
  Speaker 5: over or else it probably would have been a lot
• 29:02
  Speaker 5: easy cover. But Buffalo's a team that hung on against
• 29:05
  Speaker 5: Albany last week, you know, the goal line stand. I
• 29:08
  Speaker 5: don't think they're going to be able to move the
• 29:09
  Speaker 5: ball very well. So it feels like an under. I
• 29:11
  Speaker 5: thought about laying 10.5 with the Pantera again this week,
• 29:16
  Speaker 5: but couldn't get there. I think the under is a
• 29:18
  Speaker 5: better play. And I played Duke-Illinois under 51.5. Wow. Yeah,
• 29:24
  Speaker 5: Duke's offense is basically Shepard running the ball. Duke should
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: have beaten Illinois last year. Illinois did not. They basically
• 29:31
  Speaker 5: had a third of their offense on two plays last week.
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: So i uh under 51 and a half seems like
• 29:36
  Speaker 5: a good play and then i'm gonna hold my nose
• 29:39
  Speaker 5: and take an ugly ugly dog.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: Wow a hold my nose game this is very exciting
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: should we hold our noses while you'll do it i
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: mean what do you think i'm gonna hold my nose.
• 29:48
  Speaker 5: I'm gonna hold on i'm gonna take temple plus 24
• 29:51
  Speaker 5: and a half against oh yeah those owls Penn State
• 29:57
  Speaker 5: was awesome last week, but I'm going to take Temple
• 30:00
  Speaker 5: here at a big number.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: All right. Can you hold your nose very tightly and
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: say that again?
• 30:06
  Speaker 5: I'm going to take Temple plus 24 and a half
• 30:09
  Speaker 5: against Penn State up with a big win against Marshall.
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: I think Casey can stay within that number.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: I think we should do that. The hold your nose
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: game of the week. Yeah.
• 30:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah, next week we can talk it out and we
• 30:26
  Speaker 5: can hold a vote while we're talking it out.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: Harking back, and I've never heard anyone on this planet say,
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: I'm a P.J.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: Fleck guy.
• 30:36
  Speaker 5: You don't like rowing the boat? Come on now.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: I mean, I do. I've never heard anyone claim to
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: be a P.J. Fleck guy. I had to announce it
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: to the world, you know? P.J.
• 30:47
  Speaker 5: Is my guy. That was a fun game day a
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: few years back.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: So how do you navigate week one of the NFL
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: bear before we get you out of here?
• 30:56
  Speaker 5: I am similar to Mikey. Like I, if I have
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: to play these games, like I do in contest, I
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: tend to try and go opposite of the public sentiment
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: in a lot of these games. Like a lot of
• 31:10
  Speaker 5: people think that the bears are going to put up
• 31:14
  Speaker 5: a billion points and they like Carolina would be an
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: attractive side to me this week.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 31:19
  Speaker 5: Yeah. The Dolphins would be an attractive side to me
• 31:24
  Speaker 5: this week, even though I don't want to say our
• 31:30
  Speaker 5: friends at FanDuel because I don't see anything in the
• 31:33
  Speaker 5: bank account from your friends at FanDuel. So your friends
• 31:38
  Speaker 5: at FanDuel take some of their money in this one.
• 31:43
  Speaker 5: The Dolphins, how are they winning five games? You can
• 31:48
  Speaker 5: do the adjusted season win totals there.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 31:51
  Speaker 5: I bet under four and a half wins, I laid 170,
• 31:55
  Speaker 5: which seems a little steep, but I don't mind paying
• 31:59
  Speaker 5: a tax on adding an extra win. to basically have
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: it in my pocket. Four wins, maybe you can luck
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: into a team sitting guys at the end of the year.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: Right, play the Jets twice.
• 32:11
  Speaker 5: Exactly, but you look at their schedule. How are they
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: getting to five? Jeff Halfley has come out and said,
• 32:17
  Speaker 5: this year is not about one loss record. It's about
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: player development. That's telling you right there that they know.
• 32:24
  Speaker 5: I don't think the Raiders are very good, though, either.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: There's no way Halfley is saying that without Stephen Ross's approval,
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: by the way. He's just not coming out and saying, hey,
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: I'm hired as an NFL head coach. It's my first job.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: I'm here to develop players.
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: We're going to go 2-15, but winning is not the goal. Yes.
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: All right, Bear. Very efficient with your picks today. We
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: enjoyed it. Thank you. It was, Mike.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: He just gave you a hold your nose game. He
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: gave you five college games, I believe, and he gave
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: you a strategy for week one in the NFL.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: I love it. You write it all down, Mike?
• 33:05
  Speaker 5: Of course.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: All right. Take a picture and send it over to me. Bear,
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: thank you. Check him out.
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: Bear Betts, wherever you get your podcast, will be on
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: the big new kickoff as well. Michigan and Oklahoma, he's
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: staying at a graduate hotel. He's spending all of Fox's
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: money on the mini bar.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: We'll talk to you, buddy. Take care, guys.