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- Breaking The Meta: Hello everyone and welcome to Breaking the Meta. My name is Mike Winson. Today we are sitting down with Heidi Sinseley who is running for North Carolina State House District District 69. And yes, we were just laughing about that right before we went live. Hello Heidi, how are you doing? Heidi Sinsley: Good, hey Mike, yes we were, it's pretty funny. Breaking The Meta: Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're waiting for the merch to come out. So let's start off with the most important thing, which is who are you? And why did you decide to run for ⁓ a state house position? Heidi Sinsley: Mm-hmm. So as we said before, my name is Heidi Sinsley. I live in Matthews, North Carolina, District 69. And I'm, couldn't help it, I'm a young Democrat attorney, former state congressional law clerk for South Carolina, the wife to an amazing tax attorney, my husband Harris, if you listen to this, and my 10-month-old daughter Amelia. So she's a North Carolina District 69 native, which is important to me. Other than that, I was originally from Wisconsin. I was raised by some far right Christian nationalist parents ⁓ in a birther conspiracy household. So yes, ⁓ my, my parents were very into the birther conspiracy during President Obama's first run. So that was the environment I grew up in. I didn't necessarily call myself a Democrat back then because that just wasn't a big thing in my community. was more on the. Breaking The Meta: ⁓ my. Heidi Sinsley: I'm independent or I don't really classify myself as anything in particular. I'm just me. So grew up in that circumstance, but I had two grandfathers who were World War II veterans. One was an army medic and chaplain. The other was a gunner in the bloody hundredth Air Force division. So, yep, he was in the masters of the air unit, which is really cool. So familiar with that TV show. It's a awesome story, Breaking The Meta: Oof. Wow. Yeah. Heidi Sinsley: So I was raised with a very gentle grandfather on one side who was a Democrat and then very no-nonsense, no sugarcoating grandfather on the other side who was a very traditional old school conservative. So very interesting family. But on top of that, what kind of got me interested in politics in general was I have a maternal uncle who served five voluntary tours in Vietnam. So he enlisted because his grandfather, the army chaplain, was a soldier and he wanted to be like his dad. Breaking The Meta: Mm. Heidi Sinsley: He signed up, did five tours. He was MIA for a while. They weren't sure if he would make it back alive, but he did, thankfully. And when he returned to the United States from his service, the United States government did not want to recognize his service-connected disabilities. So my family was too poor to support him. He ended up on the streets and homeless for a majority of my life at the beginning. He slept on park benches. We couldn't find him for a majority of the time when I was younger. Breaking The Meta: Wow. Heidi Sinsley: It was truly horrible to watch my grandparents who loved him dearly watch that happen to their son. And I was still a little girl at that time, but I had heard that my grandparents really wanted an attorney to be able to sue the U.S. government to recognize his service-connected disabilities. And they couldn't afford one. We had to wait until there was a class action lawsuit brought by other plaintiffs before he could get service-connected recognition. So when that happened, I realized, hey, Breaking The Meta: Mm. Heidi Sinsley: When I grow up, I would love to be an attorney. I'd love to help people like that. I want to be who my grandparents wanted but couldn't afford. I wanted to be who my uncle wanted or needed and couldn't afford. So that's what I did. I went to law school in South Carolina, the very liberal University of South Carolina School of Law. It is. I even ⁓ took upper liberal tax classes. Tax policy is actually one of my key interests and was taught by it. Breaking The Meta: Yeah. They're so liberal, my goodness. So you're having a blast right now. Heidi Sinsley: I really am. It's truly my area. I love it. But I was actually taught by Senator Lindsey Graham's state and local tax professor. So yeah, so I actually have learned what Lindsey Graham has learned about SALT, if you are familiar with that. So yeah, so did that for a little while. And while I was in law school, I worked for the South Carolina House of Representatives as a congressional law clerk. Breaking The Meta: ⁓ I know about salt, yeah. Yeah. Heidi Sinsley: which was an incredible opportunity. I did that for two years. I was assigned to a bipartisan committee when I was working there. So I worked with Democrats, worked with Republicans, I worked with people all over the spectrum. And when I was working there, I realized that there were a lot of good things that were done behind the scenes. My committee was not tasked with the controversial culture issues, gun rights, abortion, et cetera, et cetera. But we were tasked with rural broadband, we were tasked with public water, we were tasked with education, with corrections, with the health and human services, mental health and those sorts of things. basic infrastructure. And it was crazy to see the difference between the culture-worse side of politicians versus we can get stuff done when it's boring. And to me, that was a learning experience because I got to see a lot of good work from Democrats and Republicans. Breaking The Meta: Yeah. Heidi Sinsley: So I could see that they were sort of chasing culture issues on one end, but able to do good work and ask good questions or audit on another end. So that taught me quite a bit, but what really got under my skin was I was doing this work during COVID. And so I did a lot of great work on broadband and water and those sorts of things. And a lot of my work. interviewing constituents, auditing agencies, doing research, putting memos together, talking to the congressional staff, talking to the legislators about problems and what can be done for South Carolina, was basically all shelved because January 6th happened. And a lot of these legislators in the South Carolina, South Carolina state legislature, were distracted by the possibility of rampant voter fraud. Breaking The Meta: Mm. Heidi Sinsley: in the South Carol, yeah, the state of South Carolina. So they had person after person coming through saying X, Y, and Z things look suspicious and Joe Biden couldn't have won the election or whatever. So that was a thing. And when that happened, a lot of my work was shelved. So there was no more interest in rural broadband, no more interest in water, no more interest in education and corrections and the prison system and education and mental health. Breaking The Meta: Right. Mm. Heidi Sinsley: Public education, none of that. So that was incredibly disheartening to have two years of work dumped. Yep, that's not just a letdown for me and all my work. I don't care about that. I care about the people that helped. So that's lot of time you can't get back once you dump it. But on top of all of that, also clerk for a judge for a little bit. And I really liked doing that because you couldn't turn people away because they couldn't afford you. Breaking The Meta: Yeah. Heidi Sinsley: So I liked helping everyone and the judge that I worked for was elected. So she took it very seriously to help everyone who came in. And that really should be what public service is. And I feel like we've gotten away from that. So in general, that's kind of who I am, where I've been and where I'm going. I'm currently an attorney in Charlotte, just outside of Charlotte right now. I practice real estate insurance and a bit of estate planning in right now. I am just a sit home mom to my Breaking The Meta: Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know, ⁓ much, ⁓ much respect for you being willing to do something that I and most of us probably would never consider doing. ⁓ It's it's Heidi Sinsley: Yep, like I've mentioned, if you had said that I'd be running for office years ago, I would have never believed you, because I'm a policy geek. I'm a behind the scenes person. I have volunteered on campaigns more times than I can count, and I like being behind the scenes. I'm a spotlight person. I just want to get work done. I'm a workhorse, not a show pony. So I like that. Breaking The Meta: Yeah, that that actually brings up an interesting question. So as someone who likes to be in the background, what has the experience been like having to be the one to go around and talk to people in your district as much as you are now having to do? Heidi Sinsley: So that's a good question. It's really not as bad as I was expecting. I'm a little bit used to it because volunteering for campaigns or working for the state legislature, I've had to talk to everybody before. It just hasn't necessarily centered me. It's been, how can I help you? What's going on? What works? What doesn't work? And I'm still asking those questions, but now I'm also having people recognize me, which is really hot. Breaking The Meta: Ha ha ha! Heidi Sinsley: I don't mind it, I'm still getting used to that, but ⁓ that's definitely a change that is a little bit different. Breaking The Meta: Yeah. Yeah. So why don't you give us a just kind of an overview of your district as you are going around and talking to people. What kind of things are they talking to you about? What kind of pain points are the people in District 69 dealing with? Heidi Sinsley: So there's quite a bit, if you're not familiar with my district, I am just outside Mecklenburg County, which is Charlotte, if you're familiar at all with the state of North Carolina in general. So I am in the more southern area outside of Charlotte. My community is a little bit more suburban, up and coming. We have a lot more new neighborhoods, apartment complexes, new properties being built right now. So a lot of the rapid expansion that's happening in Charlotte, which it sounds like that's where you live Mike. ⁓ A lot of the people who are having trouble affording Mecklenburg or Charlotte proper are coming out to my district. So I'm getting a lot of would be Charlottians settling where I am, which is kind of nice because they don't change their political views when they change the Jerry or step from the Mecklenburg County to the Union County area. So ⁓ but other than that, I currently live in Stallings. There's a little bit of Matthews, Indian Trail, Unionville. Let me see here what else. list of these. Fairview as well and I believe there is a little bit of Wesley Chaplin Weddington. It's a little bit odd, the gerrymandering is very interesting for my district. ⁓ Breaking The Meta: as most gerrymandering is. Heidi Sinsley: They keep gerrymandering mine to make it redder. ⁓ just like this was my district at one point, now it's not, it's really odd. But the pain points in my district, number one is definitely cost of living affordability. So my district is not what I would call the wealthiest district out there. So we have people who are struggling to make ends meet right now. They are feeling the hurt. We also have healthcare as a big issue. Property taxes are something I keep hearing about our public schools being funded properly is another thing. Utility costs are a big one. And on top of all that, the state budget not happening or being passed still. Breaking The Meta: Yeah. So for anyone listening or watching, just in case you are unaware, ⁓ North Carolina, as of April, mid-April, when this is being recorded, still does not have a state budget. Heidi Sinsley: That is correct. We are still operating on the 2023 budget. As of right now, there's no excuse for this as a state. We have a Republican supermajority in the state Senate and we missed it by one seat in the House. No excuses. I'm tired of this. And the guy I'm running against is one of the reasons why we still don't have a state budget passed. Breaking The Meta: Yeah. Now, on the positive side for North Carolina, ⁓ one of the worst members of the North Carolina State Senate is no longer going to be there, which is glorious. I mean, the person he's running against is MAGA as well. But to be fair, I'd almost take anybody compared to the guy he's replacing. Heidi Sinsley: Hmm. There is not a single safe seat in the North Carolina State Legislature right now in either the Senate or the House Chambers, and I love that. I love that Phil Berger is a perfect example of that, and he is gone. Goodbye. I can't wait to see what else shakes out in November because he is not going to be the last person gone. I can guarantee you that. I would bet any amount of money that there's going to be surprises, and I can't wait to see what happens because I would love for my opponent to be one of them. Breaking The Meta: Yeah. Yeah. And and again, for anyone listening, if you don't think your vote matters, Phil Berger, one of the most corrupt members of probably any legislature in the entire country, lost by 23 votes. Twenty three. So get your butt out and vote. Yep. So one of the other things that I think Heidi Sinsley: Yep. No excuses. Breaking The Meta: is a problem with a lot and know, Phil Berger is a prime example of a problem when it comes to this is the idea of accountability or the lack thereof when it comes to any of our politicians. What does accountability look like for you? What is being held accountable by your constituents look like? Heidi Sinsley: So accountability is one of the most important things a public servant can do. I personally think that it means accessibility and I mean that. I want everyone in my district to have access to me. I want to read every constituent letter that comes to my office. I want to know who is calling about what, who is emailing about what, who is walking in the door about what, and to be active in my district. Those are all things right now that my opponent is not doing. Instead, he is spending all of his campaign money so far in Raleigh and maintaining his Raleigh stuff. So he is not here in Union County talking to voters. He is not here listening to people. He is doing donor events, elite events, and Raleigh-centered things. And I'd rather be Union County-centered, so I'm sticking here. But other than that... I don't want to live in Raleigh. I feel like we have a lot of politicians who don't represent Raleigh who spend too much time there. And I really want to, if I'm not needed in Raleigh urgently, I want to be in Union County. I want to be here. I want to be accessible. I want to be going to businesses. I want to be going to organizations, to religious organizations, and just making sure that everyone is good. I want to be here to see things working, to see things that are not working and to hear good, bad, neutral feedback, really anything I can get. ⁓ other than that, one of the other things I really want to do is, so I started really getting into politics when I was the law clerk in the South Carolina House of Getting that role was something that was much harder than it should have been. So I was really lucky. Breaking The Meta: Mm. Heidi Sinsley: that I could get in. was extremely hard to get a position to be in that place in the state government to see how things work, help, learn from people and everything like that. And I really want more young people to get that experience because we need young people everywhere. We need them interested. We need them talking to us, helping create policy. We need them in the state house in Raleigh. So if I am in Raleigh, I plan to expand and have one of the largest intern programs in North Carolina in the state legislature, if not in the entire South, the United States. I want to make sure that I take every single high school kid, college kid, grad school, law school, whatever person out there so that they can come in and learn, help me learn from them, help make legislation North Carolina, help make North Carolina better and learn to run for office. Breaking The Meta: Heck yeah. Heidi Sinsley: Because until very recently, I had no idea how to do that and I had worked behind the scenes for years. There's no excuse for that. We need to train young people to run for office, to be passionate about things, to explain to them how things work in the state and local levels and get them to do it. Because once they are shown how to do this and all the barriers are removed and they know what to do, they will do it and they will help make everything better. And I really think that would help us get more young people into office and have their voices heard and have them have a seat at the table, which is incredibly important. Breaking The Meta: Yeah. So obviously, we talked about some of the major issues or the glaring issue in the North Carolina State Senate. What other than that? So let's assume that November 3rd happens and it goes exactly how we hope. And you win. District 69, congratulations. ⁓ Heidi Sinsley: Mm-hmm. Thanks. Breaking The Meta: January comes around and you're sworn in. Other than making sure we finally pass a budget, what are some other things that you would like to do at the beginning of your time in office? Heidi Sinsley: ⁓ god, I'll do that. So this is a great question. I can't tell you how often I have thought about this exact issue. Side note, really, crossing my fingers, we have a budget before November in North Carolina because of the board. If that does happen, that would obviously be my first priority because there's no excuse at that point, it's an emergency. But on top of that, it's kind of hard to prioritize legislative priorities right now because Breaking The Meta: Gosh, I hope so. Heidi Sinsley: We are constantly being governed by chaos. There is new stuff every single day that comes down and you can't expect it. And I am constantly having to change what I'm talking to people about based on the things that are happening at the federal level, the things that are happening at the state level or the things that aren't happening at the federal or state levels. And it's unpredictable. People can't plan for the stuff that is just pure chaos. So as of right now, Breaking The Meta: Mm. Heidi Sinsley: Knowing what I know, I plan to hit the ground running. I want to start my time in the state legislature by making sure that I put forward the most bills that any freshman legislator has ever done. I want to be the record holder in the state. I want to be called everything but lazy. So I want to put forward a bunch of things. So as of right now, we know that costs are skyrocketing. There's tariffs. Breaking The Meta: Mm. Heidi Sinsley: awful fuel prices down on the everyday North Carolinian and our farmers getting hit hard. But I want to do a temporary revolving sales tax holiday specific for diesel if possible, because really North Carolina is an agriculture state. We are a shipping state. We are a military state. are powered by diesel. So we go through diesel and we need some diesel relief. The state legislature has not done anything like that so far, and they can. Breaking The Meta: Mm. Heidi Sinsley: So that would probably be one of the things I'd also like to do affordable care act style, preexisting condition protections right away. I don't trust the federal government to keep the ACA active and protecting preexisting conditions. So I want to have North Carolina have something a little extra at the state level. Breaking The Meta: Yes. As someone with pre-existing conditions, I appreciate that. Heidi Sinsley: Absolutely, same here. And ⁓ that was what saved my dad. My dad had a pre-existing condition prior to the ACA and we were stuck on Cobra because no one would insure him. And that's something that people haven't realized because we haven't had that problem in a while. But I remember that what that was like because I was in high school and that kept me up way more nights than I would have liked to admit. But no more, not for North Carolina. In addition to that, cement tall level protections at the state to make sure we're not turning patients away because they can't pay for healthcare, making sure that our state legislators can't trade stocks on the General Assembly floor, ending the sales tax on diapers and formula. I would love to bring back the state level corporate income tax, which will be going away in 2030. to, yes. Yep, so I am getting a lot of feedback about that. People are not happy about having to pay for corporations with their... Breaking The Meta: Yeah. Can we also get Duke Energy to pay for their own stuff? That would be great. I would love that. Heidi Sinsley: Absolutely. Absolutely, there's no reason for them not to they are a monopoly. They plenty of money they can afford it far as I'm concerned But other than that, I would also love to expand the DMV fund the DMV Breaking The Meta: Yep. Yep. ⁓ please fund the DMV better. Yes. Heidi Sinsley: Yeah, it is. That was one of the first things about North Carolina politics when I first came to this state where I was like, what on earth is this? What is happening? Why do you need to go two different buildings for the same thing? You don't know what forms of payment to bring. You don't know when you're going to get an appointment. My husband recently had to get a new ID and he stayed up until midnight waiting for an appointment in a very far away place like Disney World. So there is no excuse for this nonsense. And those things would all be Breaking The Meta: Yeah. Heidi Sinsley: day one issues. Breaking The Meta: Yep. Well, at least you only have a few things to do. Yeah. No pressure at all. ⁓ So. Obviously, there are there are some general issues with the way ⁓ the way North Carolina's House and Senate does things. They're definitely not perfect, nor is anyone perfect, but they've got a lot of issues. Heidi Sinsley: Yes, just a few. pressure. Breaking The Meta: If you had the ability to kind of just snap your fingers and say, want to change this, so we never have to deal with it anymore. kind of thing, what would that be? Heidi Sinsley: Crack down on corruption hands down. Get out of the state legislature, cracking down on the donors, cracking down on lobbying, cracking down on some of the bigger corporate monopolies that have a grip on a lot of our long serving legislators, getting rid of that insider culture. I don't have a stomach for it. I don't have patience for that. I want nothing more than to crack down as hard as possible. Breaking The Meta: Mm. Heidi Sinsley: on all of those things, starting with a ban on stock trading for our lovely sitting state legislators. Breaking The Meta: Yeah. So and that's an interesting thing because I remember when I first moved to North Carolina and we were talking about the problem with our state legislature. State, one of the biggest issues with the state legislature in North Carolina is that they only get paid like 12 grand a year for a job that has the potential of being a full-time job, depending on how responsible of a leader you choose to be, which either requires you to be extremely wealthy or opens the door Heidi Sinsley: Mm-hmm. You Breaking The Meta: to a lot of corruption. And for a lot of the current Republicans, especially in our legislature, that is what has come of it, is they have all become extremely wealthy, even though they're only getting paid $12,000 a year. Heidi Sinsley: Right, and that's the thing is it makes it harder for people who should be in public service or who want to run for office to run for office because that means you don't have financial security. And that is not acceptable because I'm in a position, thankfully enough, where I am lucky that I have the financial ability to be able to step away from work and to run for office, but not everyone does. And I really want more people who would otherwise not participate in public service to be able to do that. through full-time employment, through full-time benefits. People like single parents, like disabled, like younger people. I would love to have all these people run for office. And that was one of the things I want to do is waive the filing fee for people who are in these sort of groups so that they can file for office because a lot of people don't even have the ability to do the filing fee. So if you can't do the filing fee, waive it. I don't see. Breaking The Meta: Mm. Heidi Sinsley: point in charging it for you. But yes, I would love to have the North Carolina State Legislature be full time anyway, because we have full time problems. I don't know why we need part time representation. That doesn't make any sense to me whatsoever. Breaking The Meta: No, and if you live at one of the two ends of of the state, trying to get to Raleigh is. It's a big state, it's a long state, I can't imagine going from like. Asheville all the way to to Raleigh. Heidi Sinsley: Well, right, and that and a lot of people in my district don't even have vehicles. We don't even have proper public transportation. They can't get to Raleigh. They're not going to buy a bus ticket. They're not going to carpool. They're not going to anything like that. So I want to be in Union County to be around for them because it's much easier for them to get to me if I'm right here instead of in Raleigh. So it doesn't help for those sorts of people and we need to fix that. Breaking The Meta: Mmm. Yeah. So Heidi, for everyone that has listened up until this point and heard everything that we have talked about, what are one or two things that no matter what you would want them to know about you and your campaign? Heidi Sinsley: So two things. I guess the first thing would be my top issues right now are affordability and healthcare with a side of the DMV as a mess needs to desperately be fixed. So if you think of anything about me issue wise, those are the things I prioritize. I have a whole bunch of other things I talk about, but I also love disagreement. I love agreement too, obviously, like everyone else does, but I really truly love disagreement. I love it when you have a discussion and you agree to disagree on certain things. So disagreement doesn't scare me. Please bring me your disagreement. Please bring me feedback. Please bring me the stuff that you don't think I want to hear because even if you don't think I want to hear it, I really do. So that would be the first thing. The second thing is we really need to talk more about rural Democrats and investment in rural Democrats by people who aren't mega, particularly in rural areas and in the rural South. Because I'm running a Union County, North Carolina, like I said, just outside of Charlotte. And one of the things is the Mecklenburg County Democratic Party where Charlotte is, the party and the candidates there. have much more funding and resources simply because of where the county lines in the gerrymandering fall. And those funding and resource deficits hit my county party, they hit me, they hit my co-candidates. So we need help because as races become more publicized and expensive, particularly in blue areas or like the big Senate or the big house races or governor races, They're having a record record fundraising dollar amounts for a lot of these races and that means less dollars for us. So it's a tough hill to climb, but it can be done. So one of the things I really want people to think about is if you can afford to obviously donate to my campaign, please do that'd be great. Thank you. But in addition to that, please don't stop funding your state parties or your blue county parties or your blue candidates. If you're in. safe races or blue areas. instead, really want you to, if you can afford it, adopt a county Democratic party in a purple or reddish area. That would be phenomenal. Don't just go through the state. You can go right to the party at the county level or the candidates themselves. You can also adopt candidates in purple or reddish areas too. Like I said, we're often undersourced by the state party because there's just not enough money to go around for everybody. If we're right next to a blue district, there's a good or better chance of us flipping. So we really need that extra bump to get us over that, but we can do it. So if you're looking for a place to start with that, I'd recommend the Union County Democratic Party because they are supporting you right now and they are an excellent first shot because like I said, we are right next to the bright blue Mecklenburg County. So if you're looking for some good candidates, in addition to me, I have quite a few excellent co-candidates on my ballot that I would love to shout out. we have Colby Watson, Colby for Congress. He is running against Representative Mark Harris for North Carolina's eight congressional federal congressional district. So Representative Mark Harris is trying to pass the Save America Act right now, if you're familiar with that, which would make ⁓ women who have changed their name after marriage to make them unable to vote. that's been a thing talked about a lot right now. Other than that, Christine Winward, she's running for Senate 35 against State Senator Todd Johnson right now. So he's another one of the reasons why North Carolina does not have a state budget. So if you'd like to fix that, that'd be great. Other than that, we have Reverend John Kirkpatrick IV. He is running in House District 55 against Clancy Balcom. Derek Werner, he's running for House District 68 against David Willis. And Christina Dupont, she's running for Union County Commissioner. She is outstanding. Alexis Stadler for School Board at Large. Brittany Cabuno for Union County Board of Education District 4. Evan Metaxatos, who is for Union County Board of Education District 6. Caitlin Sirico, who is for Union County School Board of Education District 3, but she's a write-in. And for Monroe, which is part of my district, have Kensley McCoy, who is running for Monroe City Council. Sir Luda Anthony, who's running for the Monroe Mayor. And we have two, they're unaffiliated, but they are friendly to Dems candidates. Angellia James is running for Monroe City Council, isn't unaffiliated. And Abigail Pepper, who's running for city council in Monroe as well, who's also unaffiliated. ⁓ Out of all these people, I really try hard to drop all of my upper and down ballot candidates because I feel like lot of modern politicians don't do that. And then people skip, tending to skip the lower end of the ballot and they vote on top, at least in North Carolina is when I've seen it. So I'm trying hard to correct that as best I can and go all the way down with the people that I recommend. So if you hear anything from me and you live in my district or in Union County, these are the people that you should check out. Breaking The Meta: Mm-hmm. Yes. Heidi Sinsley: I will have all of their information pinned on my social media, on my website. So if you want to find them, I will get you there. But I think it's integral that we point out these doubt about candidates so that we can, I can't do everything for you in the North Carolina State Legislature, if I'm elected. I know it's something that people, I know. Breaking The Meta: What? Said I'm said I'm out. Interview done. Heidi Sinsley: I know I really can't do everything for the people of district 69 if I'm elected. I can only do what the state legislature is allowed to do. So we need people in the county commissioner spot. We need people in school board. We need Monroe council. We need mayor. We need people in other house and Senate districts to step up and be a team with me so we can make North Carolina better because I can't do it myself. So yeah. Throwing out the support for all those people, I can legitimately say that I have never had a better slot of candidates. I get along with every single person I just mentioned. They're all friends of mine and I cannot wait to work with all of them. Breaking The Meta: Heck yeah. Well, speaking of supporting, so for anyone that does want to support you or learn more about you, ⁓ where can they find you? Heidi Sinsley: So my website is sinsley4nc.com. So it's S-I-N-S-L-E-Y-F-O-R-N-C.com. My email is sinsley4nc.gmail.com as well. I also have ActBlue set up. So if you go to the ActBlue website, you can type in my name, Heidi Sinsley, and I should pop up there for you as well. I'm also all over on social media. I have Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, Twitter. just type in Sinzley for NC or Heidi Sinzley in the search bar and you should find me. So I'm pretty easy to track down and you can get in touch with me. I'm pretty good at responding. Breaking The Meta: Thank you so much for spending time with me today. And send down, let us get into know you and what you hope to do for the people of your district. I appreciate it. Heidi Sinsley: My pleasure. Thank you so much for having me. I can't tell you how important your work is right now to get out the word about every good candidate. I listen to your podcast all the time and it is great to hear so many candidates who are stepping up to run alongside me. It is truly an honor to be on the ballot with them in November, including my upper and my down ballot candidates. So thank you so much for everything you do. I can't thank you enough for what you are truly doing. You are just incredible. Breaking The Meta: Thank you. Thank you. That means a lot. ⁓ For everyone else that listened up until this point as well, thank you so much. ⁓ Please like, subscribe, hit all the buttons down below, share it, comment. Heidi herself said she wants you to ask her questions. So I better see some comments down below of people that asking her questions, but it makes it possible for me to keep doing what I'm doing, which is interview amazing people like Heidi. So please like, share, subscribe, ⁓ all of that stuff. ⁓ It gives... people visibility and name recognition to a point where ⁓ they become more than just the name when people go on their ballots. So please, if you can help out, please do that. And for people that don't know anything about this podcast, just know that Breaking the Meta is about having hard conversations when necessary, fighting to break the status quo and the idea that all people, no matter your race, religion, gender or identity, get rights, respect, dignity and safety. Again, Heidi, thank you for being here and everyone else, we'll see you next time on Breaking the Meta. Bye guys.