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NFL Debate Pod! · The So-Called Sports Analysts

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  Speaker 1: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome back to the episode of the so
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  Speaker 1: called Sports Analyst. I'm your host Joshua Garcia with our
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  Speaker 1: other co host Brecken Thompson and their substitute co host
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  Speaker 1: Damien Jordans.
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  Speaker 2: Today, brother, I'm living the dream as per usual. Woke up,
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  Speaker 2: smile on my face, rolled out of bed, and man,
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  Speaker 2: am I living a great day?
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  Speaker 3: Are?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? Are you gonna talk about it? Am?
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  Speaker 3: Starting day?
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  Speaker 2: No? I had worked today. I actually woke up at
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  Speaker 2: a decent time at seven thirtyody, I actually have a job,
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  Speaker 2: all right, So let's hear it from the jobless man himself.
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  Speaker 2: How was your date? Am you?
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  Speaker 3: Well? You ain't talking to me, bud? I'm doing great?
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  Speaker 3: Gods oh man, blessed? What can I say? Great day
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  Speaker 3: at work, beautiful daughter just turned five yesterday, great turnout.
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  Speaker 2: Shut up someone this uh call.
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  Speaker 3: In to show up because he just didn't want to.
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  Speaker 3: So I just that's a great day. Yeah shout man.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, Damian enjoys that pickle on screen.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 1: know ball and we're biased about it, so you know
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  Speaker 1: that that's what makes us beautiful. But today you may
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  Speaker 1: think we're gonna talk about the super Bowl, but as
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  Speaker 1: you realize, our other co main co host is not
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  Speaker 1: here because for the basketball pod he wanted to do
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  Speaker 1: homework instead, and for this one he decided to have
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  Speaker 1: a sore throat. So we're gonna do it without him
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  Speaker 1: and were lucky guy.
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  Speaker 2: We're all we're all thinking it.
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  Speaker 3: Shout out him, man.
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  Speaker 1: So we are about to have a fun pot today,
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  Speaker 1: a little bit of a little bit of debates, a
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  Speaker 1: little bit of randomness thirty seconds. We don't know really
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  Speaker 1: what it's gonna be, put in a format like four
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  Speaker 1: and against like kind of how we did the other day,
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  Speaker 1: so we really don't know what you're gonna argue or
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  Speaker 1: what side you're gonna argue for. So let's see if
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  Speaker 1: I can share this screen to get this timer and
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  Speaker 1: then we got these.
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  Speaker 2: Are you gonna explain the rules of the game.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, if you could please?
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  Speaker 1: All right, So yeah, because Breccan doesn't know, we're gonna
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  Speaker 1: go We're gonna promote, propose a topic, and I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: spin the will for whoever wants to go spin first.
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  Speaker 1: And whatever lends on four, you have to argue for
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  Speaker 1: that topic. And if it lends on against, you have
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  Speaker 1: to argue against that topic. You may not actually agree
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  Speaker 1: with this with the argument you are making, but you
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  Speaker 1: must put together the argument for what you were given.
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  Speaker 1: And you only get thirty seconds to give your answer.
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  Speaker 1: And then if you we do go into a second rebuttal.
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  Speaker 1: We may do that unless the arguments are really good
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  Speaker 1: enough to start with. Then the person that is not
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  Speaker 1: arguing will pick who they think one question.
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  Speaker 3: So we have thirty seconds to argue, but we have
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  Speaker 3: thirty seconds to come up with an argument.
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  Speaker 2: Thirty seconds to argue.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, so it's like immediately we gotta we gotta just go.
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  Speaker 2: You just gotta be ready.
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  Speaker 3: Yep.
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  Speaker 1: I'll give you like maybe like thirty seconds to six
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  Speaker 1: argument or.
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  Speaker 2: Something like six seven seconds.
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  Speaker 1: Alright, so what's the first topic Gaming and Breckon are
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  Speaker 1: going to argue about. Let's see. Hmmmm, all right, so
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  Speaker 1: thank we have these right here, We're live. I don't matter,
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  Speaker 1: like this is just a fun podcast. We don't need
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  Speaker 1: to be over here, all trying to move through topics.
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  Speaker 1: All right, we're on a time, bro, all right, he
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  Speaker 1: is Juro. Is Joe Burrow a top five quarterback? Okay?
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  Speaker 1: So who wants to spin the wheel first?
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  Speaker 2: All that, big bro, I'll spin the wheel first, all right?
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  Speaker 1: So Brecon is going to be arguing four Joe Burrow
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  Speaker 1: being top five to that, So that means Damien is against.
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  Speaker 1: We'll have thirty y'all have thirty seconds to prepare y'all's arguments.
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  Speaker 1: Let me see, I can.
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  Speaker 2: I'm ready to go now if you are, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: You are?
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  Speaker 1: So who wants to go first?
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  Speaker 3: He can go first?
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  Speaker 1: All right? So Brecon's can you go first?
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  Speaker 4: All right?
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  Speaker 1: Five? So so we're arguing, is Joe Burrow top five? Five?
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  Speaker 3: Four?
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  Speaker 1: Three two?
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  Speaker 2: I think it's a very easy argument. Yes, you can
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  Speaker 2: make the debate. Oh, he was injured this year, he
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  Speaker 2: had turf toe. He's in two's two injury prone. But
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  Speaker 2: when he's on the field, he's top five. He's debatably
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  Speaker 2: one of the greatest college quarterbacks of all time, and
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  Speaker 2: his play is carried over into the NFL and we've
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  Speaker 2: all seen it. Out of all these other top five quarterbacks,
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  Speaker 2: how many of them have made the Super Bowl one
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  Speaker 2: maybe two. Yeah, that's what I thought. Joe Burrow has
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  Speaker 2: made the Super Bowl multiple times and is constantly throwing
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  Speaker 2: for over four maybe even almost five thousand yards.
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  Speaker 1: A little over, a little over. Okay, okay, okay, dude,
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  Speaker 1: that that bell is loud. How do I take that off?
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  Speaker 1: That thing was like ringing in my ear?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, that's just you. It did it to me.
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  Speaker 1: So you ready, Daviian, let's go awesome?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I guess you could just he said, injuries don't matter.
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  Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, availabilities of best ability,
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  Speaker 3: he said, multiple super Bowls. All I remember is one
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  Speaker 3: when he lost Jamar Chase was open and he just
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  Speaker 3: couldn't get it there. Not saying that's all his fault.
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  Speaker 3: I know it's a line. Line was terrible, But at
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  Speaker 3: the end of the day, availability is the best ability. Availability.
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  Speaker 3: Availability is the best ability at the end of the day.
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  Speaker 3: And yeah, I mean the AFC is just weak at
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  Speaker 3: the end of the day.
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  Speaker 2: So what do you mean, dude, that's such a bad
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  Speaker 2: argam I had about that.
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  Speaker 1: I thought, I thought, honestly, we're pretty bad.
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  Speaker 3: So I think that's well, it's it's sure, thirty seconds
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  Speaker 3: like no time.
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  Speaker 1: No you, I could have I could have argued I
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  Speaker 1: thought recons was factually incorrect and Damien's was just terrible.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, let's just redo this thirdy. I'll give you
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  Speaker 1: another thirty seconds to argue y'all's cases. For Joe Burrow,
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  Speaker 1: are you ready reckon one more round?
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  Speaker 2: Like you said, his old line is horrible? And what
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  Speaker 2: has Joe Burrow done? He keeps on putting up forty
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  Speaker 2: five hundred yards, getting injured and keish on doing his thing.
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  Speaker 2: I get that injuries a thing, and you want to
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  Speaker 2: keep on complaining about it. Availability is the best ability,
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  Speaker 2: and I agree with you there, But when he's on
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  Speaker 2: the field, tell me there's five guys better in the NFL.
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  Speaker 2: You can't. You cannot do that. He's having bottom five
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  Speaker 2: offensive line year in year out, bottom five defense year
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  Speaker 2: in year out, and he's still has been producing, putting
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  Speaker 2: up numbers and absolute crazy statistic right time, All right.
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  Speaker 3: I'm ready, I'm ready.
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  Speaker 1: No no interrupting when the person is giving their argument.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, sir, yes, sir? Alright type shit?
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  Speaker 1: Sorry, all right, ready, three, two, one go.
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  Speaker 3: So you're talking about college, but one of the best
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  Speaker 3: college quarterbacks of all time. That was that was what
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  Speaker 3: twenty twenty nineteen. Come on, bro, let it go. He
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  Speaker 3: was awesome. I'm not saying he was it definitely top two,
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  Speaker 3: if not one, best college quarterbacks whenever comes to NFL.
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  Speaker 3: Youre talp about you can't name five, Patrick Mahomes, Lamar,
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  Speaker 3: Josh Allen, Dak Prescott, Man, baby go if I'm the
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  Speaker 3: watch he agrees, that's all I gotta say. What two
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  Speaker 3: seconds left? You're welcome.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, I'm gonna have to give the wind to Brecking
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  Speaker 1: on this one.
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  Speaker 2: Your argument was so bad you could have went down
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  Speaker 2: the whole route of saying he's got Jamar, he's got
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  Speaker 2: t Higgins like his whole teams, he got Zach Taylor,
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  Speaker 2: one of the best offensive minds in the NFL in
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  Speaker 2: my opinion.
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  Speaker 1: Oh sorry, Yeah, I really do feel like.
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  Speaker 3: It's also easy to argue that he's the top five
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  Speaker 3: because I agree the top five.
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  Speaker 4: I don't.
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  Speaker 2: I don't agree he's top five.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I think Recon. I think Brecon stilled it when
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  Speaker 1: he came around the second time around and gave his arguments,
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  Speaker 1: especially arguing for the old line and that he's still
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  Speaker 1: putting up numbers even though and certain in those situations,
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  Speaker 1: and you just kept you went back to like arguments
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  Speaker 1: that you could have said in the last one. MM,
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  Speaker 1: all right, so which one?
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  Speaker 3: I guess he's a top five? I guess he's on
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  Speaker 3: top five this year, but if we're talking about like
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  Speaker 3: the last three years, he's definitely top five.
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  Speaker 1: All Right, So who's going next? So does Josh Loser go?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll get off. I want to see what y'all
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  Speaker 3: gotta say. I gotta I gotta takes to give us
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  Speaker 3: a topic.
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  Speaker 2: Give us.
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  Speaker 3: The topic is Julian Edelman, hall of Fame receiver.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So breckon, do you want to get to spin
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  Speaker 1: first or me?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? Go ahead, go ahead. I'm against again, I'm against.
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  Speaker 2: I'm against.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So I'm for it.
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  Speaker 2: You're being a Hall of fame bro.
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  Speaker 1: Who's who's going first?
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  Speaker 3: Josh? You look kind of cute. I'll let you go first?
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  Speaker 1: Alright, So my thirties, I'm for right, hat you're you're
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  Speaker 1: for it, Yes, you're for it? Okay, So it is
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  Speaker 1: Jolian Edelman, a Hall of Fame quarterback. My answer in
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  Speaker 1: this situation would be yes, because we don't oftentimes remember
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  Speaker 1: the statisticals in the regular season. Who gets remembered at
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  Speaker 1: the end of the day, Winners in big moments, they
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  Speaker 1: make plays happen. Let's go back to Atlanta. The ball
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  Speaker 1: almost touched the ground. Who got underneath it to secure
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  Speaker 1: a dub and help bring them back? Jillian Edelman, who
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  Speaker 1: is top five in every playoff category. Jillian Edelman, who
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  Speaker 1: is top five in every Super Bowl category. Jillian Edelman.
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  Speaker 1: He was there when it mattered.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I'm right.
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  Speaker 3: Josh is good man, Josh is good He got experience.
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  Speaker 2: I'm writing whenever you are, go ahead, Bud.
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  Speaker 3: Julian Edelman a top five receiver?
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  Speaker 2: Three two one, Okay, he is obviously not a top
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  Speaker 2: five receiver. And it's extremely simple. Not a single Pro Bowl,
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  Speaker 2: not a single Pro selection.
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  Speaker 1: Hold on, we'll start that. No, okay, the argument is
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  Speaker 1: if he's a top five. The argument is if he's
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  Speaker 1: a Hall of Famer.
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  Speaker 2: Oh did I say top five? My bad?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, all right, I'll let you go again.
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  Speaker 3: Alright, three two, that's a good point deduction.
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  Speaker 2: Julian Edelman is obviously not a Hall of Famer. You
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  Speaker 2: gotta look, Isaac Bruce isn't in the Hall of Fame.
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  Speaker 2: Calvin barely got in. There's so many of these other
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  Speaker 2: Hall of Fame wide receivers. It's so hard for Hall
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  Speaker 2: of Fame wide receivers to get in. Marvin Harrison Senior
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  Speaker 2: still isn't in the Hall of Fame. And then on
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  Speaker 2: top of that, you gotta look, he doesn't have a
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  Speaker 2: single All Pro, doesn't have a single Pro Bowl, hasn't
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  Speaker 2: led the league in receiving, receptions, touchdowns, none of those
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  Speaker 2: statistical categories. And what has he had throwing him the
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  Speaker 2: ball every single game of his career? The goat, do.
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  Speaker 1: You want a second round? Or did you like that?
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  Speaker 1: Answer me myself?
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  Speaker 3: I think we I think we use another one. I
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  Speaker 3: think we need a little bit more. I think as
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  Speaker 3: of right now, Josh is winning. But that's kind of
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  Speaker 3: because I already agree that he is.
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  Speaker 2: No, you can't be biased, it's just based.
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  Speaker 1: On base off, based off the argument, m.
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  Speaker 3: Let's do another Round's just do an Brecky convinced me
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  Speaker 3: a little bit, But I'm not gonna give it to
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  Speaker 3: him because he's gay.
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  Speaker 1: Al alright, three were Catholic. He well, simply My other
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  Speaker 1: argument would be if if Julia Emmon doesn't gets a
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  Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. You're anti Semitic because he's Jewish, and
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  Speaker 1: I really that should be a very big reason why
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  Speaker 1: he gets into the Hall of Fame because oftentimes that's
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  Speaker 1: really what matters. But no, in all reality, I think
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  Speaker 1: he's arguing all these players that really have no playoff success.
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  Speaker 1: We based off winners. Winners, make the NFL winners change history.
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  Speaker 1: He's done it many times in big moments. He was
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  Speaker 1: the number one guy for the go even when Goronkowski
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  Speaker 1: was on the way out.
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  Speaker 2: I'm ready, I'm ready, let's go. You make these arguments about, oh,
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  Speaker 2: these other guys didn't have playoffs and sex. I just
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  Speaker 2: talked about Marvin Harrison Senior, one of the greats of
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  Speaker 2: all time, and he's not even he's He's been bounced
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  Speaker 2: every single round. I know, yes he doesn't. He doesn't
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  Speaker 2: have five or four rings or whatever Julian Edelman has.
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  Speaker 2: But guess what. Guess what he has all the statistical categories,
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  Speaker 2: multiple Pro Bowls, multiple First Team All Pros. Julian Edelman
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  Speaker 2: would be a nobody if he was on any other team.
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  Speaker 2: He's five to nine and a slot wide receiver at
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  Speaker 2: the end of.
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  Speaker 1: The day, so size is what matters. Okay, I mean
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  Speaker 1: size doesn't matter, all right, who won?
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  Speaker 3: I think I think I'm gonna give it to Josh.
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  Speaker 2: That's so biased, that is so biased.
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  Speaker 3: How.
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  Speaker 1: It was way better than yours.
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  Speaker 3: I just think you didn't touch on any of his
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  Speaker 3: points to oppose. I think whenever he said that he
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  Speaker 3: was a winning receiver, it's a good stance, but you
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  Speaker 3: didn't talk about that he's not that that winning isn't
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  Speaker 3: necessarily a wide receiver stat but he does show up
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  Speaker 3: in the big moments. Which is my point.
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  Speaker 2: Was the fact that like all these other wide receivers
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  Speaker 2: that are in the Hall of Fame are also like.
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  Speaker 3: You also said. You also said that, uh you barely
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  Speaker 3: You also said Calvin bare did you you mean barely
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  Speaker 3: made it got inducted or barely.
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  Speaker 2: He got inducted this year, Josh, he's in Hall of Fame.
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  Speaker 1: He just got into brew Isaac Bruce Hall of Fame
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  Speaker 1: in twenty twenty. The guys that un.
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  Speaker 3: Tory hol Jones, that's also another.
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  Speaker 2: These guys barely. This guy got in like two weeks ago.
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  Speaker 1: Tory Hoe wasn't a Hall of Fame. Since this year
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  Speaker 1: he's a Hall of Famer.
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  Speaker 2: This year he's an inductee. He's an inductee. He's not
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  Speaker 2: even in Josh Show the podcast just because he.
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  Speaker 1: And Julio Joe hadn't even retired long enough.
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  Speaker 3: You also said you also said Calvin Johnson barely made
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  Speaker 3: it in. Did you mean like barely as in recently
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  Speaker 3: or did you mean barely as like.
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  Speaker 1: It was the ballot, like he was the first ballot.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, I was gonna say because he said. Whenever he
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  Speaker 3: said that, I was like, what, But Okay, I think
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  Speaker 3: I'm gonna give it to Josh just because I feel
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  Speaker 3: like Brecon didn't oppose him. Josh's only argument that you
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  Speaker 3: would have touched on the points I think Brecken would
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  Speaker 3: have touched on some points that winning is a wide
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  Speaker 3: receiver stat because you could go into the to the
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  Speaker 3: what's I'm blanket on his name? What's the dude that
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  Speaker 3: caught off his off the helmet?
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  Speaker 4: David Tyree's who wants.
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  Speaker 1: To go next? Damien versus Mecan versus.
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  Speaker 2: Dami versus one.
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  Speaker 3: So let me go against Josh Shuah.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, give us a topic. Brecky, did you did you
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  Speaker 1: just change your bottom name to gang banger?
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  Speaker 3: No?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, let's go with is the Elite RB dead?
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  Speaker 3: Oh?
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  Speaker 1: I like that one. Okay, this is for Damien, for
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  Speaker 1: or against. Damien's four that the Elite RB is dead,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm against it.
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  Speaker 3: I'm for Daily RB being dead.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, okay, all right, are you who's going first?
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  Speaker 3: Me? Or you? Uh? Fonzo chill uh because he's texting me.
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  Speaker 3: Oh shoot, can see me? Sorry?
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  Speaker 2: Yes?
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  Speaker 3: Okay, cool? Uh, I'll go first. I'm for the Elite
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  Speaker 3: RB being dead.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, go ahead, three, two, one go.
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  Speaker 3: The Elite RB is dead today in the NFL, we've
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  Speaker 3: seen that with the Chiefs. I know, Josh, this guy
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  Speaker 3: hit Josh home. They do not have an elite running back.
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  Speaker 3: I think with most teams wanting to win today, it's
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  Speaker 3: better to get like a one year guy to one
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  Speaker 3: or two year guy. Let him go, get a young
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  Speaker 3: rookie and kind of develop him and see how they do.
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  Speaker 3: I know there's a couple of different ways you go
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  Speaker 3: about it with with Saquon, but that's really the only
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  Speaker 3: one in recent memory that's actually been elite that's won
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  Speaker 3: a Super Bowl on a team. Okay, bro, that thirty
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  Speaker 3: seconds goes by so quick?
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  Speaker 1: All right, question already?
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  Speaker 3: Three?
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  Speaker 1: Two one, the elite RB is not dead because we
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: look at the standpoint of history. If we look at
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  Speaker 1: the Philadelphia Eagles from last year, like Damian said, they
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  Speaker 1: went from not being a top running they elevated them
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  Speaker 1: so much from DeAndre scild from the year before. And
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  Speaker 1: even as of recently this year, we saw Henry and
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: crunch time when he actually got the ball, the Baltimore
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: Ravens win percentage drastically went up as compared to when
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: he didn't receive the ball in the second half. So therefore,
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: I think multiple times we see Beijeon take over a game.
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: We see Okay, I started in the last one. It's hard.
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, it's thirty seconds. Let's go again, Let's go again.
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: I got a little bit more.
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: Well, that's Beckon's decision.
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie. I'm leaning so far on Josh's
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: side right now, but I will give you a second
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: round because we've all got second round so far.
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: Okay, ready, Okay, it's two, go ahead, one go.
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: Jamiir Gibbs, Bijon, Dereck Henry, like you said, Jonathan Taylor,
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: James Cook who is in the Super Bowl. Absolutely none
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: of them. Tyrone Williams and Ramondre Stevenson are in the
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: Super Bowl. Elite running backs do not contribute to a
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: winning culture. It does not matter the top for rbs
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: do not do not What.
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: Are what are you doing this because you're wrong?
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: You said super Bowl.
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: I guess it's my I mean, I get your point.
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: Not get the point though, get the point.
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: As soon as Super Bowl.
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, I thought I just didn't agree with me.
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: They're like, all right, is the elite r B dead? No, no, Josh,
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: that's the elite RB is not dead. And Damien's making
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: these points that statistically this year you can see that
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: Kenneth Walker and Chavon Henderson or Monder Stephen, it's a
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: plethora of guys. Well, we look at the standpoints of
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: the teams that have elite rbs, they're failing all at
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: one thing. That they are not surrounding these rbs with
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: competent old lines. Are not surrounding them with common to
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: quarterbacks that can really create diversions away from the line
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: of stacking, the line of screamage. Were they still doing
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: They are still contributing. If they had better offensive lines,
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: they would get to the Super.
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: Bowl like James Cook.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: Mm hmmm, like Bee Jan.
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: Okay, can we can we go another round? What? B
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: that's two rounds? Nah? We could do another round?
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: Nae okay, I think that last you gotta lead me.
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: Bro, that last round you gotta lead me. Even though
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: I mess Damien.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: Made some very good points with the fact that you
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: know Super Bowl history and stuff like that. But Josh
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: made some very good points. I'm gonna give it to
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: Josh solely, solely based on the fact that he he
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: just made better arguments. If I'm if I'm being honest
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: going into it, I was biased towards Damien Well.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: I didn't believe in.
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: You're lying arguments. All right. Next, all I'm saying is
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: b John Jamier, Gibbs, Derrick Henry, and Jonathan Taylor. None
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: of them made this the playoffs.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not disagreeing with you, but I had
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: to take my chance.
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: No, I I agreed David the great point.
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: That should have won me the whatever, just go I
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: hate you. That's a great point. I mean that literally
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: trumped everything that Josh said. He's talking about competent quarter
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: They don't have competent quarterbacks. Josh Allen Mr Jackson, Well.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: You lost the debate, so I just say wrong, you
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: say Kyra Williams in the first round, give me the
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: second chance.
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: Jared Goff Top seven Gods.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Josh's argument about having battle lines and bad quarterback
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: play was horrible.
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: I don't agree.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: That's why. That's why I don't agree. Like Elite RB's
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: help unless you already have a good team like I.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: I couldn't. I couldn't put it. I was trying to say,
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: what is back in my fall?
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: In my honest opinion, I think they're completely back in
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: the NFL.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: We agree, we disagree with you, all right, So who
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: wants to go next? Who's going next? I want to alrighty,
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: So I'm gonna give y'all the topic of who is
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: better Michael Thomas or Dez bro I.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: Don't want to argue Breck is Josh. You gotta do
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: something different. We've argued this topic like three or four
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: podcasts in a row.
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: Bro Damien hasn't been on here to argue. So Damien
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: Damien's gonna argue for Michael Thomas and Breccan's gonna argue
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: for a Dez Bryant Okay, fine, we'll do a different
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: one because is tired of losing this debate.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: I'm not losing the debate. I'm just talking to a
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: fucking wall and I'm tired of it.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: Who is who is the better running back? I'm gonna
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: give y'all Damien Ezekiel, Elliott Brecon, Alvin Kamara. Dude, come on,
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: I feel like you could make a solid case. But whatever,
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: Breckon to like any of these topics, Let's move on
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: to another one. Reckons net picking.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying that's I mean, I'm down to make
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: that argument.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: No, we're done, We're done, We're done. You already complained
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: about it.
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: Sorry y'all want to do that, y'all to do a
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: brock Party one?
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, let's do is brock Party an elite quarterback or
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: a system quarterback? So Damien's gonna get four is elite
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: and against a system? All right, please before, please before,
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: please before, Reckon is Damien's gonna argue for rock Party
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: being an elite an elite quarterback. Reckon is going to
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: argue against brock Purty being an elite quarterback.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: Who's going first first, last time, and you're all high,
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: you go first, all.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: Right, five four three two go.
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: I think brock Party is definitely an elite quarterback first
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: of all, because of how injury pronus team is, and
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: he just continues to show out. If he was a
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: system quarterback, they would have moved off of him so
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: long ago. They wouldn't. He wouldn't have had playoff success
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: in regular season success. I feel like if we're talking
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: about system quarterback, Mac Jones is definitely a system quarterback,
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: and that's why he's a backup. Uh, brock Party has
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: obviously shown that he can succeed and and play outside
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: of just a system quarterback role and and be elite
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: with especially with regular at the buzzerad right.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: Three two?
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: Okay, brock Party is obviously not an elite quarterback because
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: there there's there's a separation, right, Okay, we look who
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: does he have at coach, one of the greatest coaches
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: of all time, one of the greatest offensive minds. They
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: took Jimmy Garoppolo to the Super Bowl, okay, and then
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: what do they do with Rock Purty? Yesley went to
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: the Super Bowl, but they got fucking whooped, all right,
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: and then you were talking about Mac Jones. I'm very
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: happy that you brought up the fact that he is
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: a backup quarterback because he is. What did he do
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: on that team just as much, if not better than
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: Brock Purty with the exact same weapons.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: MM, all right, one more round. I'll give you all
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: one more round. Have we been doing two rounds each time?
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: So we're just gonna do two rounds each time? All right,
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: three two one, Damien, he has to be in.
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: The leade quarterback because, first of all, like I said, injuries,
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: injuries matter a lot. CMC has been hurt, George Kittle
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: has been hurt, the receivers have been hurt, has been
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: bad receiving groups constantly, and he continues to put on
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: a show. He's a very entertaining quarterback. He's not a
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: step back, little one two throw, a little dump off.
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: He's not a checkdown Charlie. He makes the throws. We've
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: we've seen flashes of Patrick Mahomes Chris Collin. Collinsworth would
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: really like me right now, but we've seen those flashes.
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: And he's eight. He's very competent outside in the pocket.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: I'm ready, all right, breckon three two one.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: I love that you brought up the checkdown Charlie thing
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: because I'm sorry he is who led his team in
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: reception CMC. I know you want to talk about him
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: being injured. He put the team on his back and
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: having over what was it, twenty four hundred all purpose
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: yards this season. That's absolutely insane. And that's at running
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: like what three point one yards to carry, so majority
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: of that was the receiving work. And then he's got
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: George Kittle, one of the great tight ends of all time.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: And then he's also got Ricky Williams whenever he's back.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, that guy's a rack merchant. All these guys
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: that he will Ricky piersoll.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: Okay, besides the Ricky Williams. So about Breckon won that
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: one by far. No, I'm not. I'm not. I'm not that.
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: Broh my gosh.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: I feel like, yeah, you could have made way better arguments.
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: Huh.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: I feel like you could have made better arguments.
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: I feel like you could have made better arguments.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: Okay, I mean, but.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: So, who's who's going next? Me and Damien or me
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: and Brecken.
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: I'll let I'll let you and Brecken go. I feel
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: like I went twice.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: Already in O real already. So what what's the topic
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: you want to do?
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: Let me see.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: There's one that fawnso requested in the chat.
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: Oh wait, let me see. Oh no, I can't see
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: it for some reason.
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: It says, does Aaron Rodgers career achievements outwigh his lack
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: of super Bowl? In his multiple super bowls?
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: Wait?
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: Does Aaron Rodgers career achievements outweigh his lack of multiple
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: super Bowls? And then we also have another one that
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: you want if you want to put another one out there,
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: I like that one.
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that one don't fun. Okay, So that's what.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: I reckon just will be if you're for him, If
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: it outweighs, Wait, how would it do?
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: How would it go? Four is like it does outweigh
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: against as it doesn't outweigh.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: Okay, So breckon, here you go. This is four that
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: it does outweigh. You are against that, you're against that
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: the super Bowl, that the super Bowl you are for.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: You're basically for the super Bowls matter, like the super
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: Bowls do matter? Okay? And oh, I don't know why
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: I'm spinning. So I so I'm defending that that it
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: does out that.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: It doesn't matter the Super Bowls don't matter because of
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: those other achievements.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: All right, you're ready, Breckon, you go first for me,
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: I can go, okay, three two one.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So the Super Bowls do matter at the end
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: of the day. I mean, look at what the NFL
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: did back in what was it twenty eleven. They they
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: propped them up like the next poster child of the
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: NFL to be the next great, to be what Mahomes became.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: In reality, we all thought, you know, it was Peyton
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: Manning and Tom Brady moving on. So everybody was waiting
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: for Aaron Rodgers to absolutely cook. And what did he do?
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: He just has the one or sorry, the two Super Bowls, right,
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: and I mean outside of that, yes you have more success,
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: but it doesn't mean anything at the end of the day.
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: Alrighty thirty seconds was fast?
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: That was fast thirty seconds. I will say, all right,
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: you're ready, three two one go. Well, if we're gonna
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: make the argument for Aaron Rodgers, we have to make
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: the argument for a bunch of other people. Drew Brees,
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: Peyton Manning, If your name's not Montana, if it's not Brady,
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: if it's not Mahomes, other quarterbacks lack super Bowls as well.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: So how do we gauge great news. We gauged it
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: off what you did in the body of work for
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: MVP's greatest touchdown interception ratio of all time, top winning
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: quarterback consistently with the agreement Packers. Without a first round
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: drafted receiver at all for the majority of his career,
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: he has done it with less and has done it
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: better than everybody else.
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, Josh, set that was pretty good.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: But I gotta I got a counter argument. I gotta
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: count all right, ready?
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: Three? Two? One go?
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: I feel like, hold on, it's not started.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: Oh three, okay, okay, one go.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: I feel like you're comparing him to all time greats
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: and stuff like that, and I get that. But what
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: I'm saying is that there is a gap. There is
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: a gap between the multiple super Bowl winning guys and
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers. I'm not saying that he's a bum. I
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: think that he's a debatable top ten guy all time,
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: but some people want to throw him in the top five,
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: and I'm sorry. You can't do it with somebody like that.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: You've got to win multiple super Bowls, and in his era,
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: I mean, he was having top five defenses, Top ten defenses,
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: some of the best online play out there of all time.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: And I get that he didn't have all the great
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: wide receivers, but he had some guys that were producing.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: Dang hmm, Dick, Can.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: I make one little tiny argument? Nope, Okay, it's it's
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: hard to argue against that. It's hard to argue against that.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he said top ten by the way, three, two,
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: one go. But if we compare him to the all
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: time greats, he's still better than those greats. I said,
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: Brady Mahomes, Montana. That's the top three. There's two more left.
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: I'll give you Manning. But outside of that, who is there?
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: Marino won one MVP, never even made a Super Bowl breeze.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: He only made it to one super Bowl. No MVPs.
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: We look at the guys next time. Brett farre His,
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: the guy that he took over, only went to one
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: Super Bowl, never went back again as well, and he
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: doesn't have nowhere near the same amount of MVPs as
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers.
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: I'm trying to be not biased if I didn't know
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: these guys, but I think I'm just gonna go Josh.
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: I don't know if it's just I feel like we're
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: just being brecking or voting against each other here. But
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's kind of hard to argue against Rogers, man,
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: Rogers is easily a top five and.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: No, I think Josh fine, Like that's hard to argue against.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: I've been I've been prepared for this argument for for
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: a while because we talked.
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: About it too. I mean, whenever you compare him to
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: to Marino and Drew, it's like he's just better. And
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: those are the those are the guys that were, you know,
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: considered top three, top five at the time. So especially
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: with the playoffs success, not the playoff success, but the
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: fact that he got into.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: The I think he's still is he five?
• 32:38
  Speaker 3: He's probably four?
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: Bro, No, I think he's five.
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: I put Drew, but that's fine, that's fine, I.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: Would put.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: I have many seven MVPs.
• 32:53
  Speaker 3: By the way.
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: You know what's a good debate is is Aaron Rodgers
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: the most talented quarterback of all time? Like just at
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: throwing the ball? I don't know, I don't see that's
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: a that's a good debate.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: But the thing is like that's a multiple debate, Like
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: I feel like that's more than just four and against
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: you know, like yeah, because we'd have to bring in
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: more players one of the who all right, who is
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: the best of their era? McCaffrey or Derrick Henry.
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: They were in the same draft class, weren't they.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: Is that a good one? Do you want to do
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: that one? Well, it would be you and Damien know,
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: oh yeah, would you be down for that?
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: Damien seems see versus Derek d Head.
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: Whatever, I'm down Rick Rick hen.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: Unless you've got a topic, breckon, unless you got a topic.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: I mean from those ones that I sent. No, uh uh,
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: you know what best receiver in the game. That's what
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: I want you guys to argue.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: Are you gonna give us though?
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: I know, let's go for this season. Let's just go
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: based on this season, and I'm gonna.
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: Get Davonta Smith keon.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: Alright, bro Okay, this season, it's gonna be Puka and
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: j s N. I feel like four should be Puoka,
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: Jayson should be against, and then you guys spin the
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: wheel and see who gets.
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: Against his negative. That's why you pit chose to black.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: Okay, So Jayson's against and Puka's four. Yes, Okay, this
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: is Damien argue Jason Jason take it. Okay, yeah, I'm
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: not prepared for the Puka argument. Okay, hold on, just
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: just this.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: Season, just this season.
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: If you what I feel like, I feel like we
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: already kind of you me and you already disagree. Anyways,
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: do you just want to do the JSN and I
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: could do Pooka?
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: No, this one makes it fun that you have to argue.
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: A little bit of a better argument because I kind
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: of have Okay, so already.
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: On my computer, just like.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: I got you, I got it, I got I got it.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, Daming, you're ready? Yeah, are two one go?
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: Okay. So j s N is obviously a the best
• 35:49
  Speaker 3: receiver in the game over Pooka, because, first of all,
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: I want to hit this on Pooka. Matthew Stafford is
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: throwing him the ball. One of the best quarterbacks to
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: to essentially play the game. And if you look back,
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: Cooper Cup, Calvin Johnson and Pooka all had their best
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: seasons with who Matthew Stafford? Thank you?
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: JSN is just a better route runner. He's just smoother, cleaner,
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: and just more athletic.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: Okay, so we look at head to head matchups. If
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: we look at head to head matchupes between Pooka, Nakua
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: and Jayson who caught the ball more, Pookaua who received
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: the ball, who had more receiving yards, Pooka who had
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: more receiving touchdowns, Pokaua who made big time plays in
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: big time moments. Mooth of them did. But who was
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: the main catalyst at those times for the Los Angeles
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: Rams when they went to when they needed it the most.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: It was Hookah Nicolea. We didn't look at the last
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: game in the divisional round, who made the big catch
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: after treeq willand got the got the penalty. It was
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: Hookah Nkua.
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: Okay, I'm leaning Damien, but I want to hear one
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: more argument.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: Okay, three two one going on at the end.
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: Of the day. I don't think that head to head
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: matchups really matter because it's not damn going against each other.
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: At the end of the day, one one player could
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: have a better defense than the other ones in the
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: Super Bowl ones not. I mean, at the end of
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: the day, if we're talking about play or you know,
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: team versus team, who had better stats two to one
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: over in the season this year, Jsen definitely has the
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: worst quarterback and just put up slightly worse stats, but
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: if they switched, Puka's blown him out of the water.
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: With quarterbacks.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: Well, let's take into the standpoint that Puka Nakua came
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: started with a really hot start historical pace, and then
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: went down for two games with injury, and then he
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: came back early from injury and continued to play with
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: injury while still producing at a high end level game inning,
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: game out. He was there when the rams he needed
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: him the most, He fought through injury, made big time plays.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: Was a catalyst and the main reason and the main
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: point to why Matthew Stafford so late in his career,
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: even with those other great receivers, is still fighting for
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: an m v P.
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: At the end of the day, I want to keep going.
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: I want to keep going. I want to keep going.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: This is the I I will say, this is the
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: closest debate in my opinion, because Damien made some extremely
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: strong points, but I feel like Josh made more points.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: I'm just gonna I'm gonna give it to Damian. I'm
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: gonna give it.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: I'm not mad at.
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: No, I'm giving it to Damian's that whole argument about
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: Matthew Stafford creating some of the greatest wide receiver, like
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: seasons of all, I.
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: Think that the the was doesn't really matter.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: No, no, I'm not mad like the argument that like
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford was never in an MVP conversation on til
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: pooka nakua mm hmm.
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: I feel like you have to break may like the
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: MVP case. This year, I feel like it's a lot less,
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: especially in the quarterback race. This year, it's way less
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: than previous years.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: I feel like you're better at making arguments when the
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: timer's not on. Dude, when the.
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: Timers on after that second, after that second, for thirty seconds,
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, dude, I got so much more because
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: you gotta get some time to think over what we
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: just better talked about.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: I got y'all, I got y'all with this one. Okay,
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: is it Brady or is it Belichick?
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: Oh? I like that one?
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: All right?
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: Four?
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: Is Brady against his Belichick? All right? Who wants to
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: spend first?
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: Uh? Breck and go no, I'll go, I'll go.
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: Come on, Okay, why you why are you doing that?
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: Reckon?
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: I'm just I'm just making sure I'm alive.
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: Come on, please please please.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: Your Belichick, your Belichick brecons Brady. Okay, who's going first?
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: All right? All right, you ready, Breckon, you need some
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: time a little bit. I'm ready, three two one go.
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah. We don't call him the goat for no reason.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: I mean, there's a there's a debate, is it Lebron?
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: Is it Jordan? There's not a debate in football. It
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: is Tom Brady, and nobody's close right now. And then
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: I mean you look at his career. Okay, yeah, cool,
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: Belichick was there, But who was throwing for over five
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: hundred and fifty yards in the Super Bowl and creating
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: a what was it? Twenty eight to three comeback, twenty
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: eight to seven, comeback to go ahead and beat the Falcons?
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: And then on top of that, he's going to be
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: a first ballot Hall of Famer and who's not this season?
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: That's a pretty okay okay, all right? Righty ready came
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: in Yeah, five four, three to one.
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: Okay. So Bill Belichick is the reason why, you know,
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: all of that success happened. First of all, because he's
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: been coaching that entire He coached the entire team offense
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: and defense. He I mean, he was a very good
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: defensive minded coach. Defense did keep Brady in a lot
• 41:18
  Speaker 3: of the games. Also, you're talking about Hall of Fame time,
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: but he's not gonna be first ballot. He didn't make
• 41:24
  Speaker 3: any public statement after not being selected, but all of
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: the uproar of him not being selected has made a
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: lot of people question the Hall of Fame case or
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: the voting.
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: Okay, you're ready breaking yep, five four three two.
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: Sign stealing and all this other stuff is the reason
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: why he didn't make the Hall of Fame first ballot.
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: All right, some people have issues with that, and that's
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: an argument for a different day. Am I right? But
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: we're arguing Tom Brady the go What did he do?
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: Whenever people were saying, oh it's Belichick, Oh it's Belichick,
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: he went to Tampa Bay An he won in Super
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: Bowl one of the worst franchises in the NFL. What
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: did he do? He turned them around and took this
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: team to the super Bowl and won it at the
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: age of forty five years old. Now you can say
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: Belichick took them to the playoffs, but he went off
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: in the playoffs. It was always the offense carrying the
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: defense in the playoffs.
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: I'm ready, I'm ready.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: I'll give Damien a five second Grace three two one go.
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: Okay, you're saying that the offense was always carrying him.
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: I I definitely disagree with you. Every year that Brady
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: has won a super Bowl, I believe they've had a
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: top five defense every year you're talking about he went
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: to Tampa. The entire team was built for that year.
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: It was a one and done year. It was signed
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: everybody now because we need to win now. For Tom Brady,
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: it was a legacy move for the team. After that,
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: they haven't done anything. And it definitely was not all
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: Tom Brady.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: Okay, I think I'm gonna lean towards Reckon in this one.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: I think because he made more consistent arguments and had
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: you really gauging away from I think what you wanted
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: to argue, like a couple of times. But I will say, gaming,
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: I think you could have won the debate if you
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: realize if you could have argued top five and that
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: Belichick was the GM of the Patriots teams, no one else,
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: so he signed and traded and picked everybody that was
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: on that roster. And then you can.
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: Also you can make the you can make the argument
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: Tom Brady only won one super Bowl without Belichick Belichick
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: won two without Tom Brady, So yeah, you could have
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: made that argument as well. Well.
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: I feel like you could have made a couple more
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: arguments as well.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: But no, no, no, he could but I could have. He
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: could have.
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: I was definitely. I was definitely for Brady. But whenever
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: I feel like the Hall of Fame, whenever I was saying,
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: he didn't make no public you know, thang, what is
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: it a public announcement? But everybody's really I mean, the
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: NFL is getting backlash for or you know, the voting
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: and how that he's on a first dot of Hall
• 44:02
  Speaker 3: of Famer because he's how many how many Super Bowls
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: is he responsible for? Or like winning?
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: Isn't it like he's been to nine? Yeah, it's like
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: thirteen point.
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: Or something, and that's like the second most is like
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: what four percent?
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like four point three.
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So I wish, I wish, I wish we could
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: do like three. Oh my gosh, I could. I feel
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: like I would win a little bit more. But it's
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: all good, So breaking all right, we'll do Uh did
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: y'all go just now or was it me twice?
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I just think I didn't go that
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: last one.
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: I think it was me. I know, I went, oh yeah, radio,
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: I just did Puoka, I just did pooka and JSN.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah me and breaking, so me and breaking, Yeah you
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: got to we'll do all right?
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: Uh?
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: Is there any in the chat? I can't read the
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: chat for whatever reason I'm trying to think of. H
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: mm hmm, I can't. Okay, what's funny?
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: Ryan said Damien, potting out a microwave.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: He sounds good to me. I don't know.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: No, he doesn't sound bad as or at least to
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: me at least, but his uh, his his picture quality
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: is not the best. I'll say that is it bad?
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: Okay? Well give us a topic, Damian, give us a topic,
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: or Ryan give us a topic. Someone in the channel.
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: You know what, let's do. Let's do best defense this year?
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: Texans defense or Seattle defense.
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: Which philosophy is better defense? Or offensive minded coaches I
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: want to do?
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: I mean, I would like to do that Texan Seahawks
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: defense argument. But if y'all want to do that too,
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: that's actually pretty I like, I like the offensive defense.
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: I honestly would like to do that offensive defensive minded
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: like myself myself, I would.
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: Like I'm talking to fucking Moon night right now, switch
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: and personalities.
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: We got silent treatment into choosing a different time.
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: No, no, no, Like whenever I argue, whenever I do
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: the debate, I would want to do that offense versus
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: defensive minded, but I would like to see y'all do
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: the Seahawks versus Houston defense, or or we could do
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: we could do best all time defense. We could do
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: Legion of Boom versus No Fly Zone?
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: Who's my trip in No Fly Zone?
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: In set? Oh?
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: No, I hate the bronc I don't think I would
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: even be able to give a good argument for the
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: Broncos even if I leave for them to leave in
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: them Chris Harris Junior and Von Marcus Ware.
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: Oh is wins a quarterback stat? I like that one.
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: I can't be against that, Like, oh my gosh, So.
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: Let's rip that one. Is Win's a quarterback stat? Four
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: is yes against his?
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: No? Can I can I do this one then, Josh,
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: if you don't want, if you can't, yeah, yeah, all right, alrighty?
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: So here is four. It is a quarterback stat. And
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: this is for let's say brecons or recons against that.
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: It's a quarterback stat.
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: Okay, that winning is not a quarterback stat.
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: And now Damien's four. All right, so reckon, let's do
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: it against three two one go.
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: It doesn't matter if you have a great quarterback at
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: the end of the day, if your team's dogshit, we're
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: arguing Joe Burrow before one of the worst al lines,
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: one of the worst defenses. I mean, and then and
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: then look look at Patrick Mahomes this season. I mean,
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: look at all these great quarterbacks with these ship records.
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: It's not their fault at the end of the day. Like, yes,
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: they have implications into the game, but there's only so
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: much that they could do. Joe Burrow was scoring almost
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: fifty points a game and they were fucking losing, and
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: they're gonna be a top ten pick, almost a top
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: ten pick this year.
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: Okay, okay, you're ready, three two one.
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: Okay, quarterbacks definitely are. I'm sorry, win, what's the restart?
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: What's what's the argument? It's wins wins? No, you can't restart.
• 48:57
  Speaker 3: That's okay. I feel like you're arguing.
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: You're arguing for that wins is a quarterback stat.
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: He's arguing is a quarterback stat.
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, you're saying wins. I feel like.
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: Didn't hit that. I feel like Brecon didn't hit the
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: nail on.
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: The three three two one go.
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: Okay, wins is definitely a quarterback stat because at the
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: end of the day, I mean two minute drills, who
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: do you trust? Who do you want commanding the offense?
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Like you, whenever you're thinking
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: of game winning drives, Super Bowl wins, who's the goat?
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: Lebron obviously, Tom Brady, Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes. They win.
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: And if you're making an all time team, make this
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: into a Lebron at it. If you're thinking of an
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: all time team, you're picking with the quarterbacks that win games.
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: I don't even think there should be a round two
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: for that one.
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: Bro.
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, that was bad. That was It's becau.
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: We should start letting the chat decide who wins.
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: These's always gonna say somebody whoever, I'm going, I'll be
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: the third vote.
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: I'll be the third vote. So it's two three years something, okay, breaking,
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: let's go, Bro, I really I think Brecon won that one.
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: I think Breckon won that one.
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: Bro.
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry that your argument was so bad.
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: What two minute drills you want to give us some.
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: Give us some some topics.
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: Hey, you know what?
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: You know what.
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: Topic I like is the here? I have it right here?
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: Team identity versus big names? What's more important?
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: I wish I was a little bit better. I just
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: speak in my mind technically.
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: Already argued for Aaron Rodgers earlier, and I argued like, basically.
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: Are we just gonna? Are we gonna? I don't understand
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: how Breckon won.
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: Okay, defensive offense philosophy with a good debater. Okay, Breckon
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: and Josh take out of the Okay, we'll do that one.
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: We'll do that one, all right, Breckon, this is or
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: is against his defense.
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: I wanted to do that one.
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: Brecon is arguing defense. I'm arguing offense. Okay.
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: I would like Josh go first, What the freak?
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: Why mean?
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: Bro okay?
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: Alright?
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: Three two freak? So okay, I don't even know what
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: to argue? Three two one go. At the end of
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: the day, who's the most important player on the field,
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: It's the quarterback. It's who you build your team around.
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: And who do you who you build your system around?
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: What are you doing? Why are you making that face for?
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: Why is breaking wrecking threw me off.
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: So bad, like pas it. You could have just paused it.
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: No, Brecke, Why was Breckett throwing it in the airport?
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: I said, I said, I said, breck It goes, breck
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: it goes.
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: I go. I would good to the debate.
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: If you want, I'll go first. If you're too scared,
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: I'll go first.
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: All right, go first?
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: All right?
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: Three two one go.
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: Josh was a battlestar arguing about a quarterback, not the
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: offensive minded coach. All right, now, you go back into history,
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: what does everybody say defense wins championships. Look at the
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: teams that are in the Super Bowl right now, the
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: Seattle Seahawks and the Patriots, two of the top ten defenses.
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: Look at who we're in the top four, the Rams
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: and the Texans even made it four with the dog
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: shit offense. And look at all that they've done. I mean,
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: look at Belichick, defensive minded guy. You go back in history,
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: all these defensive minded guys help boost their team to
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: the Super Bowl.
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: Bro, That's why I was hoping I got defense. I
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: was freaking trash, all right, uh offense three free? I
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: can't even alright, brora pro palace side neither. Alright, three
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: great one ship bro, Okay, the only one. I argue, Okay,
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: who is the greatest dynasty of recent memory. It is
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: the Knisy Chiefs. Sure you can say the defense, but
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: the offense is predicated on whatever Andy Reid does. Andy
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: Reid is the mind. Any Reid gets the thing going,
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: wasn't looking. I can't even argue this.
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: You win, you win.
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: I can see.
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: I was gonna say, Bro, you're arguing to the wrong
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: guy about the Chiefs having a bad defense.
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: I didn't say they were gonna have a bad defense.
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: I said they had a just I'm just saying I got.
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: A pretty good point for offense.
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: I got for offense as well.
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: At the end of the day, the day ends, mmmmmmm.
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: Second of all and third of all.
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I felt that all right, No, that was that
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: was really what I don't even wanted to get. I
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: really wanted to get defense right there.
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: I really still like, I want to hear you guys.
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: I want to hear you guys debate the team identity
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: versus the big names. Think of like the Lions the
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: last couple of years, versus like the Rams whenever they
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: won this first Super Bowl.
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: I feel like I haven't gotten a topic I've wanted yet,
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: like to agree with one one? Bro, Come on, No,
• 54:35
  Speaker 3: I'm not what I'm saying. I'm saying like every time,
• 54:37
  Speaker 3: it's like, who are you for or against? I've got
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: on the opposite side of what I agree with.
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: Okay, Well, let's pamp around behind the topic that he
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: likes and one that he can argue.
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, oh my gosh.
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: Okay, I don't even know what I depressed. All Right,
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: is Jeremiah Smith the best receiver in the in hold on,
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: I don't know. David gets to argue that Jeremiah Smith
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: is the Alright, who's better, Marvin Harrison or Jeremiah Smith?
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: Reckon argues Marv and David.
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: No, it's gotta be Josh. It's gotta be Josh.
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: Why me?
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: That just went three times in a row.
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: I want to hear you talk.
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: I'll go.
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: I'll give you Jeremiah Smith. I'll take Marv. Okay, is like, yeah,
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: freaking yes, David, you.
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: Okay, you all right? You can go.
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: You love Jeremiah Smith so much? Are you ready me?
• 55:40
  Speaker 3: First? Three?
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: Two, one?
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: Go? Awesome.
• 55:47
  Speaker 5: Jeremiah Smith is obviously the best wide receiver in college
• 55:53
  Speaker 5: football easily. A lot of people have referred to him
• 55:57
  Speaker 5: as the Lebron James of football.
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: He is physically gifted. He is fast, he can jump,
• 56:04
  Speaker 3: he can catch. He could do anything on the field,
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: short route, medium, rounde, deep ball, jump ball, he could
• 56:09
  Speaker 3: score touchdowns, he could block, he could do anything. And
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: he's also the youngest receiver to get that strike removed
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: for the Ohio State freshman receivers.
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: Okay, I'm on, okay, three two one go. I'm only
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: going to argue against his last statement freshman receiver. Well,
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: you know what, the only guys from were a Buca
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: and Carnell Tay. You know who was in front of
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: Marvin Harrison, junior, Chris Olave, Garrett Wilson, multiple guys that
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: are in the NFL as top guys. That's even leaving
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: off a couple others. But stay alone. Let's talk about
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: moments he has. He had every record, He led the
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: team in receiving yards and touchdowns every year that he
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: was there, And when Georgia took him out with that concussion,
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: it changed the game. They did not end up making
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: the National Championship. And he continued to play, they would
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: have made it.
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: Okay, I'm ready.
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: I went blank on my other on my other, can.
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: I give before next debate recommendations? I feel like Damien's
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: arguing feelings and Josh is arguing facts?
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: Ready for three two one?
• 57:12
  Speaker 3: Go? Okay? Facts? If we're talking about facts, who's throwing
• 57:16
  Speaker 3: mar of the ball? One of the best college quarterback?
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: Who's throwing? Who is throwing Jermiah Smith the ball? Will
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: fucking Howard a backup quarterback that a lot of people
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: have already forgotten about. Unless you know a ball like
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: me Lebron James of football, you don't get People. Don't
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: just give you that title. You have to earn it.
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: He has been a dog since high school. He he
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: is not a NEPO baby receiver. He has made a
• 57:41
  Speaker 3: name for himself by himself because he's a dog.
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: It's nepo, but I knew what you meant.
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: Shut the fuck up, all right?
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: Three two one?
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: Go?
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: Okay?
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: Who?
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: Okay? Okay? Who's throwing him the ball? He owned it?
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: Heisman candidate Julians saying it's starting in the fall. Will
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: Howard got drafted to the NFL, he would have been
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: probably in the contention of probably playing if he wasn't
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: hurt all season for the Pittsburgh Steelers, and so we're
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: gonna look at the standpoint of where they are at.
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: Sure you can say gibbs and talents, but you know
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: who has probably a comparable athletic athletic test to him.
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: It is Marvin Harrison Junior. He wasn't ever questioned. He
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: was always earned. He earned his spot Ohio State and
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: ended up going I couldn't make the argument at the end,
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: but your argument for the quarterbacks this week, like he had,
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: he has a Heisman candidate said earlier.
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: No, Julian's saying it's such a weak Heisman class. And
• 58:35
  Speaker 3: even then, a lot of people, Jacob Rodriguez could have
• 58:38
  Speaker 3: been over him. They just threw bro in.
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: Ohio.
• 58:47
  Speaker 3: They didn't make a debt in the playoffs. By the way,
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: even though Jermiah Smith is a dog me personally, if
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: I'm the offensive coordinator for Ohio State mandating fifteen targets
• 58:56
  Speaker 3: a game first half.
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: To the Lebron, I have a little bit of bias.
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: I feel like Damien was arguing feelings a little bit more.
• 59:12
  Speaker 3: We're a feelings guy, You're a feelings guy, Reckon.
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: I think I think I am gonna go with Damien.
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: Even though Josh wants to say the whole quarterback thing
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: doesn't matter, I think it does. I think that he
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: has not had the same level of quarterback play as
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: Marvin Harrison did.
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: Also also the closest, the closest comparison for your consecutive advisement. Yeah,
• 59:42
  Speaker 3: he was. I was like, I know that he was
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: John and I don't even like CJ. Stro He's a
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: great guy.
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: He had a crazy season where he had like forty
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: touchdowns in one interception.
• 59:52
  Speaker 3: By the way, Marvin Harrison is compared to his dad,
• 59:58
  Speaker 3: Jeremiah Smith is compared to.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: Julio Jones, so was his Marvin Harrison is a Hall
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: of Famer.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 3: Julio Jones is a better Hall of Famer.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: I think a higher is probably up there. He's prospects
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: all the time.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: I don't think that's all David.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: Let's argue who was throwing who was throwing Julio Jones
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: the ball?
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: I feel like the argument should be who's who's I
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: want to hear you guys argue who's the best college
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: player of all time? Any position?
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: Who got it?
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: You need to say, Jeremus.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 3: That's good.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: I'll argue, I would argue, are you going to give
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: us people? Are you going to give us people?
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: Joe?
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: I feel like I feel like Joe Burrow's got to
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: be in there, Joe Burrow. I feel like Reggie Bush
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: has got to be in there.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: Too, Joe. I don't college who's duggin? Vince.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: I feel like Vince and Tebow need to be in there.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: I think it's between Vince, Tebow, Bush, and Johnny Joe.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 3: He's nice. Cam Newton.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: Is pretty up there, breaking yeah.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: But he's I don't think. I don't think he's in
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: the same same.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: No, No, he definitely is.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, I'm the best.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: Look at the stats, just saying, look.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 3: At the stats with Joe Burrows six thousand passing yards,
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 3: almost six thousand, one hundred passing yards. I believe, I don't.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 3: You can't. That's why you don't want to. You can't.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: Hm hmm. These topics are getting a little dwindled down.
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: Let's see, you.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: Still haven't argued the the team chemistry versus the big
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: name guys.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: What do you mean by that?
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: Like, think of like team chemistry of like the Detroit Lions,
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: where like they built their fucking team built it up,
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, or even like I feel
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: like the Seahawks are kind of like that, where like
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 2: they built it up over time compared to a team
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: that's bought kind of like the Bucks or like the Rams,
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: or like, all right.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: We can do we can do that. We could do that,
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: We can do that.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 3: All right?
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: So who's arguing me? And who.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: Agains Josh?
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: This will be my second time in a row arguings Josh.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: All right, four is big names and against is identity?
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: That cool?
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 3: Hey, I'll okay, Okay, I'll allow Breaking and Josh to
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 3: go and then yeah, that will will do also do
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 3: that debate.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, all right, reckon your well? Is that
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: an identity?
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 3: Team? Yeah?
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: Team chemistry?
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: Identity?
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 3: You're against chemistry?
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: No, I'm okay Roseanan, Roseanan in the same pot.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: No brecon is it team identity? I'm big names? Okay?
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: You want to go first for me?
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, I want you to go first because I
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: want to I want to see if I can make
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: a counter argument.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: Okay, So the argument is buying big names, and I'm
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: gonna argue for that. Let's look at the Newland Patriots.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: This year. Their entire defense was bought in the offseason.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: They spent the most money in the NFL paying for
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: a defense. And what did it resultant? It results to
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: them get int the Bowl. What did the Philadelphia Eagles
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: to put them over the top. They went and bought
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: a big name. They brought in Sakwon Barkley. What did
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: he do end up having the best season of his career.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: What did the Los Angeles Rams do and we have
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: put them to where they are at. They went and
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: got Matthew Stafford and brought in a big game, a
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: big name.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: Mmm, I'm ready, No, he's not.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: Alright? Three two one go.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: I love that You bring up all these other teams
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: that have won these Super Bowls but failed to to
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: you know, look at their draft classes. Whenever you look
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: at Drake May going to the Patriots like that wasn't
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: a huge deal. Look at the Eagles and them hitting
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: just on all these huge upside guys and then building
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: a culture on that team that is a super Bowl
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: winning culture. And then you go back in history. I mean,
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: look at the Patriots. You want to talk about a
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: culture team and an identity team get the job done.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: That was their identity and they built it up brick
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: by brick, making one of the best dynasties of all time.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: Mmmm. Already, shoot, I don't even know where I'm going
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: with this right now. Three two one, go. Well you
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: bring up the ramp. Okay, well you bring.
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 3: Up the Rams. Ever restart the clock more for himself
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 3: by the way.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: Just starting it again. Okay, so you bring up the
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: Rams standpoint. When they did win their Super Bowl, they
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: went and bought their team. They brought in Odell, they
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: brought in Matthew Stafford. We look at multiple teams in
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: the past, like the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. They went and
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: bought a football team. They brought in Antonio Brown, Rob Gronkowski,
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: they brought into Donokom Sue. They brought in multiple guys
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: to go out with one goal, and that was to
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: win a championship. We've seen that multiple times in history
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: where teams have done that and they've succeeded to extend
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: and get to a championship. All Right, dude, I really can't,
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: are you because I'm.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: Ready. I'm ready. I'm ready.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 3: Go.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: Okay, So your whole argument kind of fell apart because
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: you're talking about the exceptions, not the rule. And I
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: know that you said, oh, it's happened multiple times for
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: out history, not that I recall. Right, you go and
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: look every single one of these teams, the Seahawks, you know,
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: recent history and even way back when all these teams
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: have built up their culture and and these guys have
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: been built through the draft or they have been cheaper,
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: cheaper end guys. You know, Sam Donald came over. It
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: created an identity, and it created a team, a winning
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: culture around that team.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like Bricken is getting all like the
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: ones that he agrees with the most, like some of
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: these arguments, Like you know what's.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: Funny is I I was more on Josh's side.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 3: We were literally talking. We were literally Marvin Harrison the
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 3: one that the only one that I personally agree with
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 3: and I won, by the way, just letting you know.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 3: But I think I I I.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: Think I think I think buying a team is better
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: and nowadays football because to be honest, whenever it comes
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: to o linemen drafting, drafting the line does not hit
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: as often as buying them. I mean, look at the Bears.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: They then built their team Like so, I don't really.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: A hard thing the.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 3: Hard thing to argum, I think I lean building. And
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 3: the only reason why I say that is.
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: Because before they built their team, the Panthers built their team.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: Said I didn't bring up because they brought their team.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 3: You said that they got Saquon to put them over
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 3: the top. But I think that that culture was already
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 3: being built before him, with all those draft picks with
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 3: Cooper Dejean and Nolan Smith.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: And like my side, I didn't like my side, Like
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like I didn't like what I was
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: arguing for.
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 3: I didn't like it either. But I think there are
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 3: a couple of cases where they did go out.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: They argued like culture don't mean ship. I mean, look
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: at Detroit, they haven't. I like, yeah, cool, they made
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: the NFC Championship, but it ended up not winning anything, you.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 3: Know, but they're changing the culture, bro.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: But then I can make the argument of like look
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: at the Cowboys, I feel like they don't have a culture,
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: or like an, I geta they don't buy their team.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 3: What do the Saints have they what's your what's your slogan?
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 3: What's the Bengals slogan?
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: Who day.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 4: They stole the damn it's damn near the same ship.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 3: Bro, you just copycats. They literally stole it from the
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 3: culture died when Drew Brees retired. All right, bright, yeah,
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 3: no argument.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: So the next one is Dak Prescott an elite? Is
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: Dak Prescott a top five quarterback?
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: I want Damien and Josh argue this.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 3: I really hope I'm four?
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: All right? Is this Damien's he is four? Damn it?
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 3: Finally?
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: Okay, you want to go first for me?
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 3: I'll let you go first. Actually, you run quite a bit,
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 3: I guess I'll let you whatever. You're a little warm. Okay,
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 3: what he's like? What six or seven times in a row? No?
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: Alright, three, two, one go. Dak Prescott is not a
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: top five quarterback. Here's why. Sure you can get the
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: statistical stats why he is top five in the regular season,
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: but at the end of the day, let's look at
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: the top five guys. They have all had some statistical
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: success or playoff wins. Dak Prescott lacks any of those.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: We saw him versus the Green Bay Packers. He completely
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: disappeared in that game. We look at the other games
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: where we see multiple guys in the top five win
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: MVPs consistently and be in the top in those considerations,
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: while Dak Prescott has not won one or one multiple
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: playoff games. Dang, I don't like that argument. I don't
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: like I didn't like my argument. All right, Ready, your.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 3: Your confidence is making you lose some of these debates. Josh,
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 3: not gonna lie.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: But I'm getting.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 3: Three two go, okay. Dak Prescott is easily a top
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 3: five quarterback. The reason why I say that is because
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 3: he has constantly led a top five offense. I mean,
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 3: you could use, say, a top three offense the only reason.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 3: And you're talking about playoff success, Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 3: easily considered top three quarterbacks. You can't even you can't
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 3: even throw in Joe Burrow. Other than that one year,
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 3: not very much playoff success. I think whenever you're talking
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 3: about playoff success today, the only real quarterback that you
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 3: can argue is Patrick Mahomes. And if if we're talking
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 3: about statistical categories, Dak Prescott is number.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: Two, okay, three two, one go. Well, thank you for
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: making a point for me. Where Dak Prescott has consistently
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: had a top five offense, well, he's also had consistently
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: a top three run offense. In the entirety of his career,
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: while we look at other quarterbacks where he has had
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: Ceedee Lamb and multiple guys that can get the job
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: done and a good offensive line. The other guys like
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: Josh Allen, like Patrick Mahomes like they both of them
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: have struggled with either weak wide receiver corps or week
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: run course, while Dak Prescott has been centered around an
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: offensive heavy set where multiple good players surrounded around him.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 4: Okay, all right, I'm ready.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 3: There, you gonna start it?
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: Oh? I thought three two one. I was waiting for
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: breaking to say something. It looked like he was really
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: thinking right there, hold on three, yeah there you're going.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 3: Go okay, so you saying that. I think a lot
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 3: of the miss, the misconception where he's not a top
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 3: five quarterback comes because he has a star on his helmet.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 3: I guarantee you if him and Josh Allen were to
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  Speaker 3: switch jerseys and helmets and teams, they would be considered
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  Speaker 3: complete opposites. There would be a lot of hate on
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  Speaker 3: Josh Allen because he plays for America's team. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: I mean talking about it. He should have won an
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  Speaker 3: MVP over Lamar Jackson back in twenty twenty two. He
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  Speaker 3: beat him in every satistical category.
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  Speaker 1: Josh Allen if he had a star on his helmet, just.
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  Speaker 3: Saying Nope, absolutely not. Not with that fence.
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  Speaker 2: I will say first round, Damien had me he was sold.
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  Speaker 2: But Damien, you fucked up by saying Josh Allen didn't
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  Speaker 2: have any playoffs to sex. He has eight playoff.
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  Speaker 3: Wins, doesn't mean anything when he doesn't get to the
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  Speaker 3: Super Bowl.
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  Speaker 1: I get that he's been a multiple conference championships.
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  Speaker 4: That doesn't mean anything at the end of the day
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  Speaker 4: if you can't win the big one.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, the big one. And the fact that the AFC
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  Speaker 3: has been so ship the last ten to fifteen years, it's.
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  Speaker 4: Been so indeed.
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  Speaker 1: Here, okay, let's argue it.
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  Speaker 3: Let's argue it.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, put a the top five quarterbacks.
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  Speaker 1: You're arguing for NFC. I'm arguing for AFC. Okay, you're ready,
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  Speaker 1: all right, give a real argument. Then three two you
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  Speaker 1: go first, since you brought it, you want to argue
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  Speaker 1: that AFC's that the NFC so much better? Three two
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  Speaker 1: one go.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, you can. I'm arguing NFC because, yes, the quarterbacks
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  Speaker 3: may be better a little bit on the AFC side,
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  Speaker 3: but whatever you think about it, teams and the defenses
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  Speaker 3: have always been so much better, at least in the
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  Speaker 3: in the last couple of years, to my memory, have
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  Speaker 3: been so much better on the NFC side of things.
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  Speaker 3: Better they better receiving, better defense, better coaching. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: other than other than Josh Patrick Mahomes that AFC, and
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  Speaker 3: it has been weeks. It's been week.
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  Speaker 1: Let's in this US, in this three two one go. Well,
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  Speaker 1: let's look at a couple of years ago where Patrick
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  Speaker 1: Mahomes had to go through three of the top five
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  Speaker 1: offenses in the history of football just to get to
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  Speaker 1: a Super Bowl, plus with the number one rated team
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: in the history of the football, with the Baltimore Ravens,
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  Speaker 1: who on both sides had the MVP, had a top
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  Speaker 1: five defense and a top five offense, along with Josh
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  Speaker 1: Allen on the other side, who is statistically in the
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  Speaker 1: top five every statistical category while also winning an MVP.
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  Speaker 1: The MVPs reside in the AFC, the top defensive reside
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  Speaker 1: consistently in the AFC, and they oftentimes only pick favorites
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  Speaker 1: to win the Super Bowl.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, let's go.
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  Speaker 1: I'm ready, all right, three two one go.
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  Speaker 3: My recent memory, Eagles won last year Seahawks are on
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  Speaker 3: pace to win it this year. They're favored by a
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 3: funck ton. I've never I haven't seen anybody vote for
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  Speaker 3: the fucking Patriots. The AFC has been so weak. If
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  Speaker 3: you took away Mahomes and Brady, they have dominated the
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 3: entire AFC easily. And you're you're a Chiefs fan, so
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 3: you know that it's just been two teams that have
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 3: been dominating in the last ten to fifteen years. There
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 3: has been no competition whatsoever on that side of the ball.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 3: It's been two teams.
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  Speaker 1: Let's talk about domination. Okay, we're talking about you took away.
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  Speaker 1: You told me takeaway too, the players to ever live,
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  Speaker 1: two of the greatest dynasties to ever play. Let's do that, okay.
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  Speaker 1: So we look at the standpoint when the Chiefs won
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: their games, and multiple times versus the Buffalo Bills, versus
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  Speaker 1: the Cincinnati Bengals, they have had to come back in
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: the fourth quarter and secure these wins versus top opponents.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: While Mahomes has thrown against has thrown and come back
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: as the greatest quarterback of all time consistently, it takes
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: greatness to win more often than not, and both those
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: guys happened to play in the a f C.
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  Speaker 2: Gosh, that second rant was just the Mahomes glaze fest.
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  Speaker 2: That had nothing to do with the AFC until the
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  Speaker 2: plays in the a f C.
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  Speaker 3: That was just luck of the draw.
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna give it to Josh because his arguments all
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: around were better, but his second round was not great
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  Speaker 2: my first one.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: What would what whatever gain your first.
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  Speaker 3: All I'm saying is this year, Seahawks are easily favored.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 3: Last year Eagles were clearly favorites. In my personal opinion,
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 3: I don't know how anybody had the Chiefs winning unless
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 3: you're a Chiefs fan. Whenever, whenever Patrick Mahomes lost or
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry whenever Patrick Mahomes didn't make it and Joe
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 3: Burrow made it instead, they lost to the Rams, a
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 3: better NFC team that everybody knew was gonna win.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: I don't know, you don't know.
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 3: I don't think everybody's rooting for the Bengals, but everybody
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 3: knew that the Rams were gonna win. That. In my
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 3: personal opinion, I just feel like, if it's not Mahomes
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 3: in the Super Bowl, the NFC is gonna win nine
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 3: times out of ten.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: I mean even when he's in the Super Bowl.
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  Speaker 3: I think I think, Uh, that's second part. I I
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 3: should have won me for sure, But whatever, it's cool.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: No, my first one I gave stats. I feel like
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  Speaker 1: his first one.
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  Speaker 2: His first argument cleared. His second argument was not I
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 2: feel like Bill Belichick right now.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 3: That's all I'm gonna say.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: Will that?
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: Will that the dating a woman that's that's severely underage?
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: Isn't he dating like a twenty four year old?
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: Do you have any more topics? Or should we call
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: this pod? What do y'all think?
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 3: I won't. I would like to do one more.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: Uh, who's got the best fantasy team.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 3: Is? Is John Pork really dead?
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: Hm?
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  Speaker 5: Hmm?
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 3: Did did baby gross in Ohio?
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: Waffles? Waffles versus pancakes? I want to I want to
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 2: hear I say pants. I'm gonna say pancakes now. But
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: I was a waffles guy for the longest time. I
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 2: disagree with you say waffles my pancake.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 3: I'm a pancakes guy, bro. What Unfortunately, I think I
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 3: think I think waffles are more aesthetically pleasing. They look better,
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 3: but pancakes are just they're just they just taste better,
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 3: they have better texture, they're easier to make. In my
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 3: personal opinion, I think that's I think that's really it.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 3: My thing with.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 2: Pancakes is they have so much versatility. You can get
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: like the super fluffy like Asian pancakes. You know what
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 2: I'm saying. Oh, they're so good and cloudy.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: There's this place called Golden Diner in New York. Anyone listening,
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 2: go there and get a pancake. They have a maple
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: butter syrup to die for, to die for, and then
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: they they mix in like a corn start so it
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 2: gets fluffier. Sorry, real real.
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  Speaker 3: I really enjoyed talking with y'all guys.
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  Speaker 2: Oh thanks Sammy and I enjoyed talking to you too,
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  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 3: I think like another real topic is my quality bad?
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  Speaker 3: I feel like it's it looks fine on my.
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  Speaker 1: All right, Well we're just gonna end this podcast, all right,
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