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TJ Ward talks infamous locker room fight, NFL & NBA games on Xmas, and why position shouldn’t determine pay · NFL explained.

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Speaker 1: Here we are back off the edge with me your
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Speaker 1: host Cam Jordan.
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Speaker 2: Uh. I'm excited because you know this is a I'm
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Speaker 2: bringing in a guy who I certainly got to play
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Speaker 2: against in college too, which just let you know how
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Speaker 2: old I am or you know how young he is
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Speaker 2: either one what one of the two. They're talking about
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Speaker 2: a pro bowler, all pro.
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Speaker 3: Uh.
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Speaker 1: We talked about the TJ. Ward what a super Bowl,
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Speaker 1: super Bowl fifty lord.
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Speaker 2: Super Bowl champion. Heret's let's let's start that off. You
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Speaker 2: know you're only a few years older than me.
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Speaker 3: You're thirty eight, right, yep, thirty eight.
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Speaker 2: I'm thirty five few days ago. Look I talked to
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Speaker 2: I talked to Khalais Campbell previously, bro, and he's thirty eight,
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Speaker 2: still doing it.
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Speaker 1: You think it's still make a tackle NFL?
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Speaker 3: I mean if I was training these last eight years.
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Speaker 4: Walking out there right now, No, I'm just I hope
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Speaker 4: I can hold on to somebody, but us.
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Speaker 1: Hold him up, come down with attention. Hit that.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I guarantee you.
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Speaker 4: I can feel a sea gas, but I definitely gonna
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Speaker 4: need you out there containing that age man, forcing bag
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Speaker 4: so he can't go nowhere.
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Speaker 2: I was I saw, uh, I was just because I
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Speaker 2: saw you. I saw your tweet a minute back. You're like, yo,
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Speaker 2: that was coupboys. I can I can help you tackle
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Speaker 2: somebody if you need something like hit my phone.
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Speaker 3: Yeah for sure. Give me two weeks, give me two
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Speaker 3: weeks after the bide week. I'll be out there. Hey,
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Speaker 3: dead ass.
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Speaker 4: The way they out there attempting to tackle, I can't
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Speaker 4: do no worse.
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Speaker 3: I can't. It's impossible.
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Speaker 2: I say, hey, you know, you know there's always like
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Speaker 2: a game or two during the season that for some
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Speaker 2: reason you you see like six or seven mistackles and
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Speaker 2: then you gotta like hone in on the craft room,
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Speaker 2: like all of a sudden, you guys are thudding up
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Speaker 2: in practice and doing.
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Speaker 3: All that right. We go for as this week, this week.
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Speaker 2: This week because we needed I'm missing tackles because I'm hurting.
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Speaker 1: My shoulder hurts. I'm giving it everything I got.
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Speaker 4: We practiced, you ain't even supposed to be practicing. Yeah,
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Speaker 4: we're gonna do a four on the floor this week because.
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Speaker 2: We saw, we saw. You know what, I'm gonna put
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Speaker 2: the codes at the hash mark and the codes three
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Speaker 2: yards by the sidelines, so you know, I need to
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Speaker 2: make overfield tackle.
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Speaker 1: What what what what are you doing?
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Speaker 3: Yeah? But nah, no, no, you know, even though sometimes
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Speaker 3: it's needed. All right, coach, we need to go back
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Speaker 3: to the drawing fundamentals, fundamentals because we're losing it for
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Speaker 3: whatever reason. But like you said or brought up, it's
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Speaker 3: been happening.
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Speaker 4: Concurrently in the NFL with multiple defenses and you know,
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Speaker 4: multiple teams. So it's something that's happening across the league.
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Speaker 3: And I you know.
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Speaker 4: Blast half of it gotta come from the taking away
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Speaker 4: the physicality.
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Speaker 3: Right, you can't hat anybody no more.
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Speaker 4: And from what I hear, they're even teaching tackling technique
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Speaker 4: different differently, Right, what's that going on?
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Speaker 3: That's the way to get ran over facts I grew up, I.
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Speaker 2: Would say, but but you came in from era where
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Speaker 2: you you know, you you used to come down and
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Speaker 2: thump them boys, you know, like you were known as
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Speaker 2: a as a as a thumper. You come down and
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Speaker 2: literally put everything in there.
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Speaker 3: Huh yeah, yeah, man, you can still be a thumber.
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Speaker 4: A lot of my thumps, you know, weren't thumps where
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Speaker 4: you get ejected or.
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Speaker 3: Him with the him, and so it's still you know,
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Speaker 3: you still allowed to do that.
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Speaker 4: You see it, you know from some guys in the league.
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Speaker 4: It's a it's a once a game like oh okay, right,
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Speaker 4: but it doesn't happen too.
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Speaker 2: Often, ye like, But there's no monikers for guys that
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Speaker 2: are laying hits out like you used to have Dante
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Speaker 2: hitting her. You know what I'm saying, right, they commercialized it, right, Like,
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Speaker 2: there's none of that no more. It's like, oh, he
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Speaker 2: comes down here fit and he like lays a hat.
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Speaker 2: But that's it's not it's not as celebrated. You used
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Speaker 2: to whisper Vontes's perfect name.
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Speaker 3: You like coming, you know who we got this week?
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Speaker 3: He walked past the office.
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Speaker 4: Hey, I better, y'all better tightened up.
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Speaker 2: Used to used to top the offense like your own office.
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Speaker 2: He Hey, I don't know they're gonna work when he
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Speaker 2: come down. You see Cam Chancellor when he come down,
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Speaker 2: hit that sea gap, do.
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Speaker 3: That all the time and pra he throw that out.
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Speaker 3: That's that's gonna work, you know, you know he coming,
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Speaker 3: Yeah for sure?
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Speaker 4: But like, man, seriously, did you.
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Speaker 1: Ever have one of them hits in the league when
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Speaker 1: you when everybody.
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Speaker 3: Will hit that, Oh yeah for sure.
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Speaker 2: I had running back to the flat.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I called a man. I called a guy.
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Speaker 4: Uh shipy Membershipley from Texas. He played receiver. He was
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Speaker 4: with he went to Cincinnati. Uh, but he played with
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Speaker 4: call McCoy in Texas and when we were in college
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Speaker 4: that era anyway, called him in the red and it
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Speaker 4: was the first hit.
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Speaker 3: In the NFL.
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Speaker 4: I had, like that, a big hit and I got
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Speaker 4: flagged and fine and it was like my welcome to
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Speaker 4: the NFL moment, like Okay, you can't do that here.
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Speaker 4: So but yeah, it was a oh like almost like
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Speaker 4: a ya, why did you do that?
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Speaker 1: Like he's a minace I am?
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Speaker 4: I am hey, yeah, like the Carson Palmer came up
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Speaker 4: to me, t O came up to me. The whole
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Speaker 4: office was like, hey, man, like that was uncalled for.
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Speaker 4: But it wasn't uncalled for.
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Speaker 1: It wasn't.
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Speaker 3: It was right on time.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, straight up, y'all. Just Cincinnatis Division, NFC AFC North.
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Speaker 3: You know the Browns, we been the little the little
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Speaker 3: brothers in this division. I'm a rookie. I'm like, hey,
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Speaker 3: times are changing around here.
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Speaker 2: No they were not, but you but you believe little
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Speaker 2: little did I know.
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Speaker 3: You don't come and change around here in the NFL.
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Speaker 2: Right here, Hey, my favorite story I think of all
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Speaker 2: times with you is uh just hearing hearing the rumors
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Speaker 2: around the locker room.
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Speaker 1: Might have been preseason or even a regular season game.
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Speaker 2: Well the scrap that went down between you and Alex Mack, which,
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Speaker 2: again as a jit, you just hear about these things.
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Speaker 2: And you know Mac went to cow so I know,
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Speaker 2: you know he's sort of a he's sort of an oddball. Anyways,
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Speaker 2: offensive lineman just super to himself. Yeah, I heard, like,
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Speaker 2: you know, you hear, you hear things like I knew
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Speaker 2: you was a wild man, and it was like, yeah,
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Speaker 2: it was right before a game when they became a
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Speaker 2: two piece.
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Speaker 1: I was like, wait, what what? I was like, hey, well,
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Speaker 1: do you recall like how that happened. He was playing
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Speaker 1: music in the locker room. He was getting your guys.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I was.
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Speaker 4: It was like the first game of maybe my third year.
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Speaker 4: Right so it's my third year. We done went four
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Speaker 4: and eleven, four and twelve, five and eleven. I'm like,
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Speaker 4: we got it, we gotta pick it up, we gotta
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Speaker 4: do something. So we didn't even play music before the games.
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Speaker 4: You know, the practice is cool. Before the games, nobody
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Speaker 4: played music. But I'm like, man, we gotta get headphones right.
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Speaker 1: Offense.
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Speaker 4: I don't know how you guys locker room set up,
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Speaker 4: but offense was on this side. Defense was on this
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Speaker 4: side on game day. So it was a pretty big
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Speaker 4: locker room in Cleveland, believe it or not. I mean,
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Speaker 4: just because we were bad doesn't mean we didn't have
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Speaker 4: good things, right, Like they facility must have sucked. Nah,
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Speaker 4: Actually they are pretty good. So different parts of the
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Speaker 4: locker room. I turned my little monster box on. It's
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Speaker 4: not too loud. It's a speaker.
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Speaker 3: This big can't get too.
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Speaker 4: Loud right right, So I go contrast, come back music off.
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Speaker 4: I'm like, damn, must have disconnected for the blue tube.
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Speaker 4: Turn it back on, Go get you know, stretch and stuff.
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Speaker 3: Come back. It's off again. I'm like, this is not
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Speaker 3: a coincidence. So Joe Ayden, that's my dog. He's locker
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Speaker 3: right next to me. So Joe, he kind got like
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Speaker 3: a didn't happen. I'm like Joe to the music. He like, man, man,
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Speaker 3: Max get back, came down and turned it off. I'm like, who.
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Speaker 4: Turned my back off? Now, go get taped, get my
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Speaker 4: fingers wrist taped.
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Speaker 3: Come back. I catch him. He right, He like his
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Speaker 3: hand up like, hey man, like what's going on.
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Speaker 4: He's like, we don't play music before the games. I'm like,
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Speaker 4: we don't play music. I'm playing music before the game.
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Speaker 4: N we don't play no music.
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Speaker 3: I said.
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Speaker 4: We been getting our ass kicks since I've been here,
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Speaker 4: so we gotta change it up. And we're trying to
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Speaker 4: get crunked down here, so we're gonna play some music.
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Speaker 4: So like I go to like get him out the
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Speaker 4: way and get back and turn my stuff back on,
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Speaker 4: and he kind of like like little man me like
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Speaker 4: I mean, I mean he.
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Speaker 1: Just moved.
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Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, the situation was that, but you know,
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Speaker 3: don't be treating me like that.
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Speaker 4: So now I gotta get extra strong getting like get
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Speaker 4: him out the way, like get about my locker. So
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Speaker 4: I get my back to my locker, spin him out,
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Speaker 4: giving me a little un you know, I'm kind.
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Speaker 3: Of big at this point. I'm about to go to twelve.
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Speaker 4: You know, I'm about to twelve, like solid though, real strong,
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Speaker 4: like I'm putting a weight at this point.
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Speaker 2: So nobody would ever say that about to twelve, but
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Speaker 2: continue as a safety. Yes, that's big, that's the office
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Speaker 2: a lineman. We we you know, right, dang.
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Speaker 4: So now I got my back to the towards the
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Speaker 4: locker and I had to get him back. So I
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Speaker 4: pushed him a little bit, not even a violent push,
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Speaker 4: just like.
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Speaker 3: A you know, get back, bro like move. Yeah.
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Speaker 4: So now he's trying to go over the top of me,
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Speaker 4: and he grabbed me, and I'm like, it's over bull constricted, right,
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Speaker 4: I'm like, so, I first thing I had to do
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Speaker 4: it was before he tightened up.
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Speaker 3: Was to slip about. So I slipped up, and now
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Speaker 3: I hit him with a bigness.
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Speaker 4: So I guess he felt like that was a big push,
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Speaker 4: and he kind of started charging me, and you know,
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Speaker 4: I mean spider senses went up. Don't let a big
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Speaker 4: man run up on you and grab you. So I
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Speaker 4: just gave him a left right power and then I,
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Speaker 4: you know, got back to the center of the locker
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Speaker 4: so I could have space to move around, you feel me,
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Speaker 4: so I could.
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Speaker 3: Get up came I'm like, yeah, come out here.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm stunned a little bit, huh, but uh, I
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Speaker 4: don't think he liked how they felt. But either way,
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Speaker 4: you know, it was something that emotions were up pregame.
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Speaker 4: I think we're all a little bit frustrated by the
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Speaker 4: last few years being in Cleveland and me and him
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Speaker 4: being leaders of the team. We kind of could have
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Speaker 4: definitely helped handled that a different way, but I say
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Speaker 4: we were both in the wrong.
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Speaker 3: And after that, you know, me and alex is being
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Speaker 3: real cool.
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Speaker 4: I think actually probably have a better relationship from it
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Speaker 4: from that point on, right.
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Speaker 1: You might, you might earn a little bit.
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Speaker 3: We did both ways. I think we did. And you know,
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Speaker 3: after he got back to my.
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Speaker 4: After I got to the center of the locker room,
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Speaker 4: his back was to my locker, even grabbed my speaker
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Speaker 4: and launched it all the way to the end of
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Speaker 4: the busted into a million pieces.
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Speaker 3: So I was just looking at it like, damn.
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Speaker 1: I wasn't but I lost, Like I won what I lost?
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Speaker 1: A lost?
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Speaker 3: So we got ready, Uh did y'all win that game? No,
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Speaker 3: we didn't win that game. You know, we hadn't won
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Speaker 3: the season opener.
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Speaker 4: Since I've been there and then before that, so it
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Speaker 4: didn't help. But you know, we we put up a fight.
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Speaker 3: Right moreas the one.
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Speaker 4: Show, Uh yeah, story them is them is some stories man,
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Speaker 4: like that happened a lot back then.
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Speaker 3: I don't know if they still happening today.
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Speaker 2: But man, it's god that virility is definitely on the
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Speaker 2: lower end. Everybody's a little more posture. Everybody has like
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Speaker 2: the politics of like you know exactly, so, you know,
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Speaker 2: I like the locker rooms now. You know locker rooms
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Speaker 2: now they're a lot softer and feel and more like
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Speaker 2: Joe Vial. But at the same time, you know, like
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Speaker 2: it is what it is. Plus they usually if it's
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Speaker 2: going to happen, it's gonna happen right right around that
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Speaker 2: training camp, you know, week four or five, So you
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Speaker 2: know the fact that it was seasoned open, that's that's
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Speaker 2: a great hell of a way to pop off the season.
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Speaker 3: Bro.
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Speaker 2: Do you do you think about when you first got
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Speaker 2: in do you were ever like focus and emphasizing, like
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Speaker 2: the stretching, the the prehab you know, do you remember
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Speaker 2: going into rehab at six thirty the morning and you
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Speaker 2: weren't hurt Steve thirty the morning, dude, there's a there's
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Speaker 2: a there's a pivotal time. I try and tell guys,
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Speaker 2: I'm like, Yo, when I first got in the league,
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Speaker 2: sort of looked at you like if you were in
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Speaker 2: the rehab room, you were wrong, Versus now you ask
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Speaker 2: better be in the rehab room and if you have
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Speaker 2: any soft tissue stuff that's on you before it's on
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Speaker 2: the team.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Absolutely, Well, I mean I was coming off a lot
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Speaker 4: of injuries from college, so I made sure I was
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Speaker 4: always in the training room. So I think I kind
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Speaker 4: of did that by default because I had to, you know,
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Speaker 4: just I had two three knee new knee surgeries and
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Speaker 4: pull my hamstring my second year in Cleveland, so I
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Speaker 4: had hit flex of injuries in high school.
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Speaker 3: I had a lot of soft tissue injury.
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Speaker 4: Injuries throughout my career, so I really knew how to
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Speaker 4: up keep my body warm up, make strengthen, and you know,
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Speaker 4: pre rehab right to get away from all those injuries
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Speaker 4: to prevent those injuries from coming in. So yeah, I've
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Speaker 4: always been one of those guys. Actually, later in my careers,
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Speaker 4: when I kind of stopped having to do all that,
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Speaker 4: it's kind of weird, right, Like I would spend less.
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Speaker 3: Time and warm up and prehab. Yeah, it makes no sense.
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Speaker 2: But the older you got, the better you got. You're like, yeah,
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Speaker 2: I'm good, No, No, I'm in there. I'm in there religiously.
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Speaker 2: I need it.
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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Like cold contrast in the morning I.
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Speaker 1: Don't believe in cold bro.
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Speaker 2: I don't believe.
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Speaker 3: No rehab, a hot up.
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Speaker 2: And then you know, I didn't even get in the
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Speaker 2: hot up till like year nine or ten, like you
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Speaker 2: know I did.
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Speaker 3: But no, man, you man played thirty years.
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Speaker 2: I ain't never wanted to play thirty years. No, no, hey,
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Speaker 2: my goal. My goal was one Pro Bowl and then
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Speaker 2: after that it's all been laying up in blessings.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, but yeah, no, definitely blessings. But the older you get,
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Speaker 4: it's not that you like get more injuries. Is the
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Speaker 4: injuries take longer to come back from, right, So even
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Speaker 4: like concussions. Man, when I was getting like concussions later,
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Speaker 4: I'll say it like it's concussions, right, yeah, I was
15:05
Speaker 4: going to the grocery store.
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Speaker 3: But dude, they was I'm like, damn, not right yet.
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Speaker 4: And that's when I really was like, Okay, maybe I'm
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Speaker 4: getting too many of these mm hmm. You know, because
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Speaker 4: like the first the earliest, like, dude, take the test,
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Speaker 4: I'm back, right, take the test.
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Speaker 3: I'm back now, I'm taking the test. And nah, take
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Speaker 3: a test.
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Speaker 4: Nah, I'm like, hold up, y'all, now, y'all just trying
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Speaker 4: to hold me out.
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Speaker 3: I don't want to pay me. I got incentives in
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Speaker 3: my contract. I know what y'all doing.
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Speaker 2: The politics of the business side of it. All boys
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Speaker 2: be forgetting that it is a business at the end
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Speaker 2: of the day. They're be like, oh, how can they
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Speaker 2: do that to me? Well, you got a million dollar
15:41
Speaker 2: seconds off and it's two games left.
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Speaker 3: Then we're not winning and you're not going to the playoffs.
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Speaker 2: They're not trying to give you that. No, sorry, or
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Speaker 2: we are winning, but also we're already secured in the playoffs.
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Speaker 1: They don't need this last win or too.
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Speaker 3: Those ten tackles it.
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Speaker 2: Like it's there's the there's the business side.
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Speaker 1: That is it's really real.
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Speaker 3: You know. Yeah, that's a fact.
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Speaker 4: So if you can get up on it early, get
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Speaker 4: up on it. But they once you start learning the
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Speaker 4: business side, that's when you start getting slow, right, That's what.
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Speaker 2: That's what they say. Hey, when when when you when
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Speaker 2: you're young, you just run around. You ain't worried about politics,
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Speaker 2: about who's what where the numbers game, how many dns
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Speaker 2: they hold, how many You're like, no, like, I'm gonna
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Speaker 2: be the best that I'm gonna work hard for it
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Speaker 2: because you have unlimited potential once you once you capture
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Speaker 2: your potential or proceed to capture your potential, that's when
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Speaker 2: they try to start replacing. You're like, no, I'm the
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Speaker 2: best I have ever been, and yet they just spent
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Speaker 2: the first rounder on my replacements. You know, they're always
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Speaker 2: trying to always trying to get cheaper. This is a
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Speaker 2: business side of things.
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Speaker 3: You gotta understand that for sure.
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Speaker 1: Stay tuned. We'll be right back.
16:51
Speaker 2: Look as a fan, as a fan now as a
16:53
Speaker 2: guy who's playing in the league retired, what what are
16:57
Speaker 2: you looking forward to Christmas Day? Do you do? You
16:59
Speaker 2: look forward the NFL game on Christmas Day? You look
17:01
Speaker 2: forward towards me the basketball game? You know, like I've
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Speaker 2: heard I've heard you talking both. Are you an NBA guy?
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Speaker 3: Now?
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Speaker 1: You still a NFL guys?
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Speaker 4: Now I'm still NFL. I still I part take in NBA.
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Speaker 3: But it's being unwatchable, Like wow, man, I Like, I mean, I'm.
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Speaker 4: A nineties kid, eighties baby, nineties kid, right, so I
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Speaker 4: like to see the full spectrum of the sport basketball
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Speaker 4: and football, and it just seems that both it's kind
17:29
Speaker 4: of becoming one dimension or they're like mirroring each other,
17:32
Speaker 4: like with the passing and the protection the NFL is doing,
17:36
Speaker 4: the NBA is doing the three ball, and studient reffs
17:41
Speaker 4: taking over the game. We tech calls and all other
17:44
Speaker 4: crazy stuff. So it's kind of in the same lane,
17:47
Speaker 4: but definitely still the NFL guy. I love that NFL
17:50
Speaker 4: is getting back to running backs being prominent figures in
17:53
Speaker 4: the offense because I think with that becomes more physical sport.
17:57
Speaker 4: Now the defense have to become more physical. Safety has
18:00
Speaker 4: become more physical. You see more.
18:01
Speaker 3: Violent, So.
18:05
Speaker 1: Ultimate effect, the ultimate effect, see more violence.
18:07
Speaker 3: When it all comes down to it, it's more violent, absolutely.
18:11
Speaker 2: I mean it's sort of a sad thing to see, Like,
18:13
Speaker 2: you know, us growing up, you saw all the great
18:15
Speaker 2: fullbacks that would come through, and now there's all of
18:18
Speaker 2: three teams that use a fullback.
18:20
Speaker 3: Man, some runner backs used to have shoes signatures, remember
18:25
Speaker 3: Barry Sanders and Jimmy Smith's and signature kicks. Yeah, now
18:31
Speaker 3: they can hardly get a contract.
18:33
Speaker 4: I mean that's you know, you gotta you know, cook
18:36
Speaker 4: the Kamaras and Saquon's.
18:40
Speaker 2: And even then that's a mid level d tackle payday
18:44
Speaker 2: straight up. You know, tight ends. You know, there's there's
18:49
Speaker 2: Travis Kelcey and then there's a drop of you know,
18:50
Speaker 2: there's Christian McCaffrey making nineteen a year and then the
18:54
Speaker 2: next highest paid now is who twelve and a half thirteen.
18:58
Speaker 4: It's uh, the disparity is, man, Yeah, could you imagine
19:01
Speaker 4: that in the quarterback position.
19:04
Speaker 2: I mean, your mid level quarterbacks are making thirty five
19:06
Speaker 2: and you're up your top tier quarterbacks are making sixty
19:10
Speaker 2: a year. I'm talking about apy a year a year.
19:16
Speaker 3: Let's say you're incredible.
19:17
Speaker 2: You could be And that's just the wide diaspora that
19:21
Speaker 2: is athletes. You know, like think about think about it.
19:24
Speaker 2: We're looking at our own like, man, we got to
19:26
Speaker 2: get our money up. You know, you got Tjy making
19:30
Speaker 2: thirty something whatever it is at your positions. And then
19:32
Speaker 2: but you look around the league is like, oh, you
19:34
Speaker 2: know the leagues Like look around baseball, Juan Soto go
19:38
Speaker 2: for seven fifty, Like damn, I'm sport all right?
19:41
Speaker 4: What allows them to put I mean, I think your
19:44
Speaker 4: value to a team is your value to the team,
19:46
Speaker 4: no matter what position you put, right.
19:48
Speaker 2: Right, explain show hel tiny seven hundred.
19:51
Speaker 4: You know, if I'm this and I bring this type
19:53
Speaker 4: of impact, I don't player.
19:54
Speaker 3: If you play.
19:55
Speaker 4: Quarterback and you are basically just a game manager, right,
20:00
Speaker 4: But I'm making game changing turnovers, I'm making game changing plays.
20:04
Speaker 3: There's no way you should be paying money. I don't
20:07
Speaker 3: care what position you like. This is how it should go.
20:11
Speaker 4: But for whatever reason, they've been able to put each
20:15
Speaker 4: position in the capitule and then cap it.
20:19
Speaker 3: Or not right. Yeah, I mean I think that's kind
20:23
Speaker 3: of ridiculous.
20:23
Speaker 1: But yes, I mean yes and no.
20:25
Speaker 2: I feel like, in my mind, I've always said you
20:27
Speaker 2: can't teach size, right, so you can't teach a really
20:30
Speaker 2: good quarterback. That's why you have, you know, the excellence
20:33
Speaker 2: that is you know Pat Mahomes or Josh Allen or
20:36
Speaker 2: you know Lamar Jackson. And then you have everybody sort
20:40
Speaker 2: of chasing that. But that's just it. Just like players
20:43
Speaker 2: are chasing that greatness, teams are chasing that greatness as well.
20:45
Speaker 2: They know if they can capture a really good quarterback,
20:48
Speaker 2: you know, Dak Prescott, you know you're gonna win some
20:50
Speaker 2: games because of him, albeit maybe not this year because
20:53
Speaker 2: he's on IR.
20:54
Speaker 1: But you know what you have in front of you.
20:56
Speaker 1: Do you risk that by going to go pay somebody
20:58
Speaker 1: else too?
21:00
Speaker 4: I mean, agree with you with that being said, you
21:03
Speaker 4: have those top tier quarterbacks, so regardless of a team
21:06
Speaker 4: there on, they're going to be that top tier.
21:08
Speaker 3: So they deserve to be paid like that.
21:09
Speaker 4: But then you got guys that you know, I'm not
21:12
Speaker 4: gonna say any names, but let's just say the bottom half, right,
21:16
Speaker 4: getting paid absurd amount of money just because they play quarterback.
21:19
Speaker 3: Right, they're terrible, but it's it's like they may be,
21:22
Speaker 3: they may be hurting their team more than they're but.
21:25
Speaker 2: Say, if you look at it, if you look at
21:26
Speaker 2: from that, you say, like, I'm not giving the quarterback
21:28
Speaker 2: sixty mili, I'm so all right, so I'll give him.
21:30
Speaker 1: You know, I think he's whatever you say, he's okay.
21:33
Speaker 2: So you land at a number like thirty five and
21:35
Speaker 2: thirty five you're like, if you look at quarterback numbers,
21:38
Speaker 2: you'll be like, oh, he didn't really get paid.
21:40
Speaker 1: Like that, But at every other position that is the top.
21:42
Speaker 3: Of the market, yeah, or beyond exactly.
21:46
Speaker 4: So, like I said, it should be based on impact.
21:51
Speaker 2: Ah, that was like, it's it's never it's never been
21:53
Speaker 2: that way.
21:54
Speaker 4: You've always say, hey, I know.
21:58
Speaker 1: You gotta be I look at all the time.
22:01
Speaker 2: I mean I look at all the time just in
22:02
Speaker 2: terms of like years where we got you know, where
22:04
Speaker 2: I got drafted versus not. I'm like, dang, Like I
22:06
Speaker 2: came out in twenty eleven right after the lockout year,
22:09
Speaker 2: where you know, Cam Newton should have made seventy million
22:12
Speaker 2: dollars as the first overall pick, but he made twenty,
22:15
Speaker 2: you know, because we just it's the luck of the draw,
22:19
Speaker 2: you know. Because of that, they're like, you know, these vetsls,
22:21
Speaker 2: we make.
22:21
Speaker 1: More in the back end.
22:22
Speaker 2: But right before I made my second deal, it was
22:25
Speaker 2: like right before the d line market took off, so
22:28
Speaker 2: you know, like blessed highly favorite, never got to work again. Yeah,
22:32
Speaker 2: you know, I signed like eleven year and I was
22:34
Speaker 2: like hell yeah. And the year after it was like
22:36
Speaker 2: a mid level d tackle made like fourteen or fifteen,
22:39
Speaker 2: and then the market took off and I was like,
22:40
Speaker 2: oh I missed it.
22:43
Speaker 3: Dang. Like my year coming out, it was like the
22:47
Speaker 3: gold rush.
22:48
Speaker 4: Everybody's trying to get out before to see the new
22:50
Speaker 4: CBA hit right or before the lockow. Yeah, jors coming
22:55
Speaker 4: out and I'm like, hey, man, y'all.
22:57
Speaker 3: Need to stay back. You messed it, stock, you mess it.
23:03
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be a first round lockna.
23:05
Speaker 4: Be a first Now I'm second round because of y'all
23:08
Speaker 4: all Americans want to come out sophomore stay back. But yeah,
23:16
Speaker 4: that was that was that was a class. But like
23:18
Speaker 4: you know, that's what comes back to the business side.
23:21
Speaker 4: You got to be aware, like you're getting ready for that,
23:23
Speaker 4: that week of preparation, that game plan. You better have
23:26
Speaker 4: a game plan for your for your business and your contracts,
23:31
Speaker 4: see what's going around the league and your position and
23:33
Speaker 4: everything tap into that.
23:35
Speaker 1: Bro I've thought about this.
23:36
Speaker 2: How just you talk about, you know, having having a
23:39
Speaker 2: game plan and preparing for it, How does that ever,
23:42
Speaker 2: like feel for you when you had the you know,
23:44
Speaker 2: the Thursday night game with the Sunday game after or
23:46
Speaker 2: like those the three games stretch with where you you play,
23:50
Speaker 2: you know, within eleven days you played three games? Like
23:53
Speaker 2: how did that? How did that used to take a
23:55
Speaker 2: toll on you? Especially as a safety coming down like
23:58
Speaker 2: you're you're you're I'm hitting people, they're shedding a office
24:00
Speaker 2: alignment or a tight end. You're hitting people coming from
24:03
Speaker 2: twenty yards deep or maybe ten yards back, creeping up
24:07
Speaker 2: and hitting the sea gap at your probably top speed,
24:10
Speaker 2: if not top speed.
24:11
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's brutal man. You know, especially the Sunday to
24:15
Speaker 4: the Thursday. All right, cool man, that's like and especially
24:20
Speaker 4: don't have a violent or a divisional matchup that Sunday
24:25
Speaker 4: and don't have to travel that Thursday. So I mean
24:28
Speaker 4: it takes a toll, bro that. I don't think we
24:31
Speaker 4: should have to play no Thursday game after playing Sunday, right,
24:36
Speaker 4: that is ridiculous.
24:37
Speaker 2: Well how would you set it up? Then you can't
24:39
Speaker 2: have it after a bye week because then you're cutting
24:41
Speaker 2: the bye week down.
24:43
Speaker 3: I wouldn't have it at all.
24:46
Speaker 2: No primetime Thursdays.
24:48
Speaker 3: For what Friday, Friday would be better.
24:55
Speaker 4: Friday would actually be better. Friday would be better. You know,
24:58
Speaker 4: there's not much football on.
25:00
Speaker 3: You got some.
25:00
Speaker 4: College games, but you know right, who's really watching those
25:05
Speaker 4: unless you're a gambler.
25:08
Speaker 2: My brother, beautiful, this beautiful blue and gold. You know
25:13
Speaker 2: you you know, you know what it is, the hostile
25:15
Speaker 2: pain you You you remember coming down to Moorial Stadium.
25:18
Speaker 3: Yeah, dude, man, he look.
25:20
Speaker 1: Getting worked over back.
25:23
Speaker 4: Yeah we lost that game, but I had a game, boy,
25:27
Speaker 4: I had a game.
25:28
Speaker 3: I tell you what. That man got me drafted alone.
25:33
Speaker 2: I say, I've been to Austin and one been. I
25:37
Speaker 2: think I've been to aunt and lost. Maybe I don't think.
25:39
Speaker 3: So, I've only been I only played the Memorial once. Bro,
25:42
Speaker 3: I never wonder. It's crazy. I don't did I.
25:47
Speaker 1: Did you have to think about it? Look at him?
25:50
Speaker 4: Nah, not sure, didn't, But yeah, that I think maybe Friday.
25:54
Speaker 3: But Thursday, man.
25:55
Speaker 4: You can tell it's just guys just whooped. They whoopd
25:58
Speaker 4: on that Thursday coming around. I think it's a lack
26:01
Speaker 4: of interest even in playing, no preparing for it.
26:05
Speaker 3: You can't even get your corrections from the week before.
26:09
Speaker 2: Even if you like, oh, oh we gotta get we
26:11
Speaker 2: gotta tighten up here. You are you you're gonna have
26:14
Speaker 2: one quick day of a quick practice because you realize
26:16
Speaker 2: guys are whooped, and then you're gonna go from there.
26:19
Speaker 3: Mm hmm. It's bad. It's bad for business. And you're
26:22
Speaker 3: adding another game at the end of the season Thursday Night.
26:25
Speaker 4: But you know, if it wasn't for Thursday Night, I
26:28
Speaker 4: would have never had a prime time game my four
26:31
Speaker 4: years in Cleveland. Never we had one Thursday night game
26:36
Speaker 4: my last year there.
26:39
Speaker 2: Come on, man, God, that's just that's crazy.
26:43
Speaker 3: That's tough. I was supposed to make the Pro Bowl.
26:48
Speaker 1: H the world need to see this greatness. I'm putting
26:50
Speaker 1: on this play.
26:52
Speaker 3: Come on, I'm snapping.
26:54
Speaker 2: Right, dank you, No, you can get greasy out there.
26:57
Speaker 2: I mean, it is what it is. And talk about
27:00
Speaker 2: now we're pushing up on playoffs.
27:03
Speaker 3: How you feel it.
27:05
Speaker 2: I'm feeling great.
27:07
Speaker 1: Uh.
27:07
Speaker 2: This this is the weirdest season I think I've ever
27:09
Speaker 2: been a part of. I said, bro, this is I'm
27:12
Speaker 2: in uncharted territory. This season alone, I've lost more games
27:15
Speaker 2: at a single goal than I think I've ever had before.
27:17
Speaker 2: We lost seven in a row this year. I said,
27:19
Speaker 2: what the what the hell is this? I said, no,
27:21
Speaker 2: we got We had all these starters, and you know
27:23
Speaker 2: how football season goes. We've had a lot of injuries.
27:26
Speaker 2: Half officer, the line went down for multiple games. The
27:29
Speaker 2: quarterback went down for multiple games. He's down again. Running
27:32
Speaker 2: back been down. You know, wide receivers all both our
27:35
Speaker 2: starting receivers been down, and like half the season or
27:39
Speaker 2: all of it.
27:39
Speaker 4: Now you talk about not even just talented players, you
27:43
Speaker 4: talking about emotional leaders gone absence.
27:48
Speaker 2: It's hard.
27:49
Speaker 1: It's hard. It's hard to win an NFL.
27:50
Speaker 2: It's hard to win as a sports team where you
27:53
Speaker 2: don't have your marquee guys or your your emotional foundation
27:56
Speaker 2: guys or your hoorah guys.
27:59
Speaker 1: The best ability is availability.
28:01
Speaker 4: Then you got guys with no experience coming in. They
28:04
Speaker 4: might know the playbook, but it's you know, it's fine
28:06
Speaker 4: new theme.
28:07
Speaker 3: My new thing is that right.
28:09
Speaker 2: The minutia, the manusia has always been in the details,
28:13
Speaker 2: Like you got to pay attention to the small things
28:15
Speaker 2: because you don't the small things can become major things.
28:18
Speaker 1: But you know, it just sort it is what it is.
28:21
Speaker 3: Bro.
28:21
Speaker 2: I think that it's all it's all about sort of
28:24
Speaker 2: having that struggle of luck during the season, with with health,
28:27
Speaker 2: with guys that know how to play through it, with
28:29
Speaker 2: everything that goes. But you know, again, speaking of speaking
28:31
Speaker 2: of the playoffs, I mean I'd rather transition to, uh,
28:34
Speaker 2: just the idea of college football playoffs. You know, like
28:39
Speaker 2: we get that the college college sort of prospects is
28:44
Speaker 2: now all about business. This playoff situation organ's number one.
28:47
Speaker 2: So like I mean, you know, you as a u
28:49
Speaker 2: OFO guy, uh.
28:51
Speaker 3: No, ducks, here we go.
28:54
Speaker 1: You know, what is it?
28:55
Speaker 2: What do you think the toughest the toughest path through
28:57
Speaker 2: college football playoffs? You know you guys finish thirteen to
28:59
Speaker 2: oh win the big, big Big ten Conference.
29:03
Speaker 1: Oh and now you guys, you know what do you have?
29:05
Speaker 2: You got you gotta play the winner of Ohio and Tennessee,
29:09
Speaker 2: which Ohio you guys already beat. You know how hard
29:11
Speaker 2: it is in college to beat the team twice?
29:14
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean we got we got the toughest role,
29:17
Speaker 4: but it ain't never being easy.
29:18
Speaker 3: So we just, you know, we gotta just go roll
29:21
Speaker 3: with it. You can't be crying over spilled milk. We
29:24
Speaker 3: are the dogs.
29:25
Speaker 4: If we number one, then we we We remain number
29:28
Speaker 4: one the whole time, no matter who we play.
29:30
Speaker 3: So let's get it.
29:31
Speaker 2: But number one crazy?
29:33
Speaker 3: Now, all the tough guys stuff, that's crazy.
29:38
Speaker 4: Ohio State. I think we'll beat them twice. We should
29:41
Speaker 4: have blew them out the first game. The first they
29:44
Speaker 4: had that that long pass to the tight end and
29:48
Speaker 4: on their first drive was an interception. They end up
29:51
Speaker 4: scoring a touchdown that drive. We get that interception. That's
29:54
Speaker 4: so the hugest momentum swing after already going down to
29:57
Speaker 4: score in seven, we could possibly go up fourteens in right,
30:01
Speaker 4: So I feel.
30:03
Speaker 3: Like in the h where will we play it? Would
30:05
Speaker 3: it be the Rose Bull again or somewhere else. I
30:07
Speaker 3: can't remember how that bracket is set up.
30:09
Speaker 2: Calent is not in that. So we have not seen
30:14
Speaker 2: a college playoff. It's you know, I'm excited that we
30:16
Speaker 2: went to say, now we get a bowl game. Do
30:18
Speaker 2: you think the college playoff format needs to be changed? Like,
30:20
Speaker 2: I'm just confused with the expansion of it. How do
30:23
Speaker 2: you guys get the tougher schedule?
30:25
Speaker 4: I think, I mean, we already changed from the BCS format.
30:28
Speaker 3: That was a problem.
30:29
Speaker 4: I think from year to year to have one specific format,
30:34
Speaker 4: it's always going to be something wrong, right because conference
30:36
Speaker 4: and strengths changed every year. So if you were like
30:39
Speaker 4: to say, oh, well the Big Ten and the SEC
30:42
Speaker 4: strength to schedule, there are stronger conferences, they should have
30:45
Speaker 4: this over those conferences and blah blah blah, change the
30:48
Speaker 4: brackets up to where they get easier ways.
30:50
Speaker 3: To the championship.
30:52
Speaker 4: Well that may be this five years, but what about
30:54
Speaker 4: in the next five years in the ACC like when
30:57
Speaker 4: Clemson was kicking ass every year, you know, and somebody
31:00
Speaker 4: else in another conference, then it's gonna be skewed again.
31:02
Speaker 4: So you kind of just man, you can't you can't
31:05
Speaker 4: complain about everything. At some point, man, everybody's gonna have
31:09
Speaker 4: the bone to pick. You go twelve teams, You're gonna
31:12
Speaker 4: go fifteen, I mean sixteen eighteen teams?
31:14
Speaker 3: Right, Like, is it a playoffs? Then? No? Not really?
31:21
Speaker 1: These are these are.
31:24
Speaker 4: So I mean, shoot, next year we get in the bracket,
31:29
Speaker 4: maybe a lower seed with an easier path.
31:32
Speaker 1: Mm. So never know, Hey, be grateful, got it, Be grateful,
31:38
Speaker 1: be happy.
31:38
Speaker 3: You in there, You in there, You got.
31:40
Speaker 1: A chance because you know us, you.
31:41
Speaker 2: Know we play early.
31:44
Speaker 3: In December, and that's our last game for sure, the
31:49
Speaker 3: Chester Cheeto Bowl.
31:50
Speaker 2: Yeah, with our quarterback hitting the transfer portal, like, hey, bro,
31:53
Speaker 2: like what you're doing?
31:54
Speaker 1: You want to lead us to this one?
31:56
Speaker 4: Oh man? That's another thing. Man, these guys getting paid
32:01
Speaker 4: and they jumping and still do not play in the
32:04
Speaker 4: bowl game. Like, what's the point of having the bowl
32:06
Speaker 4: games outside the playoffs?
32:08
Speaker 2: Great question?
32:09
Speaker 1: I don't know.
32:12
Speaker 2: We were We played in the in the college area
32:14
Speaker 2: where there wasn't an I l I was struggling to
32:15
Speaker 2: make ends meet.
32:17
Speaker 4: So yeah, we need that bowl checked that game.
32:21
Speaker 2: I was. I was driving to the bowls every money.
32:27
Speaker 1: Mexico said San Diego.
32:30
Speaker 2: I'm pushing that easy I'm driving, come on, let's ride.
32:35
Speaker 1: Let's put that check.
32:36
Speaker 3: I had a big tae hole in college too.
32:38
Speaker 2: In there need that.
32:39
Speaker 1: Yeah.
32:40
Speaker 2: But anyways, all right, man, last question I have you
32:43
Speaker 2: know you're coming from the Bays forming a super Bowl
32:46
Speaker 2: in Louisiana.
32:47
Speaker 1: I just want to know, you know, uh, it's a
32:49
Speaker 1: California thing.
32:50
Speaker 2: But at the same time, who's your favorite Bay Area artists?
32:56
Speaker 3: My favorite Bay Area artists.
32:58
Speaker 4: Was Mac dred Man, Dre Messi, marve As well Man,
33:03
Speaker 4: Mac Dre Messi, mar them two is who I grew
33:06
Speaker 4: listening up to in high school, in like in college.
33:11
Speaker 3: Those are my two artists.
33:12
Speaker 4: But like pre Dre like forty pop rapping Forte too
33:19
Speaker 4: short them is like the O O G.
33:20
Speaker 2: You feel me if you don't say forty because that's
33:23
Speaker 2: been my favorite.
33:24
Speaker 3: Not for show forty, but you know, forty was like
33:27
Speaker 3: one of the first rappers period.
33:30
Speaker 4: I listened to every like you know what I'm saying.
33:33
Speaker 1: Get you with that, that that Webb and I was like.
33:36
Speaker 4: Yeah in a major way, in a major way that
33:40
Speaker 4: my pop said that album was like let me play this.
33:43
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like man, it was like, oh hey, I don't
33:48
Speaker 1: even know what the hell he's saying here.
33:51
Speaker 3: Nah, for real, for real, who's your favorite baby? You know,
33:55
Speaker 3: being a I guess yeah, yeah.
33:59
Speaker 1: What I was shout.
34:02
Speaker 2: Or fa mister faul hit him with metro vibes out.
34:06
Speaker 4: Yeah.
34:07
Speaker 1: But you know I had the pot yellow.
34:11
Speaker 3: Hey man, you're finna take me back to three.
34:15
Speaker 2: Hey, when I when I had when I thought I
34:17
Speaker 2: was doing something with the tin card slugs in the mountain. Man,
34:21
Speaker 2: it was a damn thing with the with the real
34:23
Speaker 2: mean gold like.
34:25
Speaker 3: Oh, and you was in the bed.
34:26
Speaker 1: You was the peak.
34:27
Speaker 3: You was the name the peak.
34:29
Speaker 1: Like I said, I like right around.
34:31
Speaker 3: Just around. You just missed you just missed it. You
34:36
Speaker 3: got some.
34:37
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got I got the after effects for shore Boy.
34:39
Speaker 2: It was definitely bien en la. I appreciate you tapping
34:43
Speaker 2: in with the podcast.
34:43
Speaker 3: Brokie man, appreciate you having me. I have fun. Man,
34:46
Speaker 3: I don't be having fun on these podcasts.
34:49
Speaker 1: You know.
34:49
Speaker 3: I try.
34:50
Speaker 1: I try and shoot when I can, you know what
34:52
Speaker 1: I'm saying. That's when it's good people, and you know,
34:55
Speaker 1: good people.
34:58
Speaker 2: Yeah, truck patting mad and the Trump is at but
35:05
Speaker 2: trunking and