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Are Esthetician Treatments Worth It? Facials, Chemical Peels, Dermaplaning & More | EP 10 · Scalpel and Skin

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_04: Traditional facial is a glorified face less day.
• 0:03
  SPEAKER_04: I might make people a little bit more mad on this.
• 0:06
  SPEAKER_04: If you've ever seen office space, treat it like the copying machine.
• 0:10
  SPEAKER_04: Pay your office, have a ritual outside, and light it on fire.
• 0:16
  SPEAKER_04: It was like sitting on the beach in the middle of a hurricane with fan slapping you in the face and someone using a dustbuster.
• 0:24
  SPEAKER_03: Derma planing, worth it or not worth it?
• 0:40
  SPEAKER_03: Welcome back to Scalpel and Skin.
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_03: And we have a very special episode today.
• 0:46
  SPEAKER_03: Our Esty Bestie from Skin Lab, Melissa Janosky, is joining us.
• 0:52
  SPEAKER_03: And you are the first official guest of Scalpel and Skin.
• 0:57
  SPEAKER_04: This is an honor that is a long time coming.
• 1:01
  SPEAKER_04: So thank you.
• 1:02
  SPEAKER_03: It really is.
• 1:03
  SPEAKER_03: Melissa and I have worked together for a lifetime, basically.
• 1:07
  SPEAKER_03: Literally.
• 1:09
  SPEAKER_03: We worked together in our former life in dermatology, and she has been at Skin Lab basically since the opening.
• 1:16
  SPEAKER_03: And we have manifested a podcast for like a decade.
• 1:22
  SPEAKER_04: And this was like our number one goal.
• 1:24
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, originally it was gonna be true crime, and then it was gonna be like Buffy the Vampire Slayer?
• 1:29
  SPEAKER_04: It was.
• 1:29
  SPEAKER_04: We were gonna do like a Buffy rewatch before rewatches were cool.
• 1:33
  SPEAKER_04: I really think that we missed out on that.
• 1:35
  SPEAKER_03: We did.
• 1:36
  SPEAKER_03: It's not too late.
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_03: We should do it.
• 1:39
  SPEAKER_03: I know that maybe the producers who are helping us with scalpel and skin would want to produce a Buffy the Vampire Slayer podcast.
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_03: The knowledge we have is supreme.
• 1:54
  SPEAKER_03: Supreme.
• 1:55
  SPEAKER_03: It really is.
• 1:56
  SPEAKER_03: So Melissa is going to basically co-host with me on this episode and the next episode.
• 2:04
  SPEAKER_03: So I am super excited.
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_03: What is up with Dr.
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_03: Lebraska doing surgery?
• 2:10
  SPEAKER_03: And like I don't know, but I'm such a cuter co-host.
• 2:13
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_03: Agreed.
• 2:15
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, the ratings, the ratings are gonna fly for this.
• 2:17
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm awesome.
• 2:19
  SPEAKER_03: This is this is our big break.
• 2:20
  SPEAKER_03: He he's gotta be in surgery.
• 2:22
  SPEAKER_03: So the you're taking over.
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_03: You're taking over the scalpel part tonight.
• 2:26
  SPEAKER_04: I'm the the third Lebraska child.
• 2:29
  SPEAKER_03: You really are.
• 2:31
  SPEAKER_03: For this episode, we're going to be talking about traditional esthetician procedures and some newer esthetician procedures and if they're worth it or not.
• 2:42
  SPEAKER_03: And Melissa has been in the industry as long as I have, like what, 16 years now?
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_03: So, and she's done it all and she has seen it all.
• 2:52
  SPEAKER_03: And we're gonna get her take on some of the new things and some of the older things and if they're worth it.
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_03: Are we ready?
• 2:59
  SPEAKER_03: Let's dive in because the first one is is going to piss a lot of people off.
• 3:05
  SPEAKER_03: I I know that I'm probably gonna get canceled in the best possible way.
• 3:10
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, but you're gonna get canceled by by like by estheticians who still maybe do things they don't need to.
• 3:16
  SPEAKER_03: So I'm cool with that.
• 3:18
  SPEAKER_03: I am too.
• 3:18
  SPEAKER_03: I am too.
• 3:19
  SPEAKER_04: I'm gonna change the world.
• 3:21
  SPEAKER_03: So let's talk about let's talk about facials.
• 3:24
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, that's that's what the the aesthetician profession started doing.
• 3:29
  SPEAKER_03: It's the bread and butter, technically, but you know, I've never had a facial.
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_04: I know we've talked about this so many times.
• 3:38
  SPEAKER_04: For the people listening, she can't sit still longer than 15 minutes before she starts twitching.
• 3:44
  SPEAKER_04: It's true.
• 3:44
  SPEAKER_04: My ADHD happened.
• 3:48
  SPEAKER_03: And then she's like, just shut up and let me do it.
• 3:51
  SPEAKER_03: So when Melissa Derma planes me sidebar, I like ask her, is it over yet?
• 3:58
  SPEAKER_03: five different times because I just can't.
• 3:59
  SPEAKER_04: It takes 10 minutes.
• 4:00
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: For real.
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  SPEAKER_03: So let's talk about traditional facials that I have never had.
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  SPEAKER_03: Tell us what is a facial for those of us who don't really know.
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  SPEAKER_04: I mean, how do you describe a facial?
• 4:13
  SPEAKER_04: A facial is a treatment, a service where you get a very good cleansing, exfoliation, extractions, a mask, you know, depending on where you go and what their technique is, you could have steam, hot towels, you know, and then of course now there's all these additives, these add-ons that people are doing.
• 4:37
  SPEAKER_04: Um, typically it's in a quiet zen room, you know, and it's like it's an experience.
• 4:44
  SPEAKER_04: That's what it is.
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  SPEAKER_04: It's an experience of just kind of getting uh your face cleaned, essentially.
• 4:50
  SPEAKER_03: I can totally see knowing you why you don't love doing a traditional facial because you like to beat the shit out of people's faces.
• 4:58
  SPEAKER_03: You do, so it really makes sense.
• 5:01
  SPEAKER_04: Like, if they don't leave me bleeding, I feel like I've neglected them.
• 5:05
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, I I want my face beat up.
• 5:08
  SPEAKER_03: That's what Bill's collagen, guys.
• 5:10
  SPEAKER_04: Well, here's what else I had a patient at our former practice, and she was Russian, like true beauty expert.
• 5:20
  SPEAKER_04: Like, she, you know, overseas they do a lot of things differently.
• 5:23
  SPEAKER_04: A lot of things differently.
• 5:25
  SPEAKER_03: And Western, Western medicine, eastern medicine, eastern aesthetics, totally different.
• 5:31
  SPEAKER_04: And she would lay in my bed and she would literally just be like, hurt me.
• 5:36
  SPEAKER_03: Make it hurt.
• 5:38
  SPEAKER_03: If I don't be bleeding, I'd be red.
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_03: How did I just this minute learn that your Russian accent is incredible?
• 5:47
  SPEAKER_03: I feel like I don't even know you.
• 5:49
  SPEAKER_03: It's impeccable.
• 5:50
  SPEAKER_03: It is impeccable.
• 5:51
  SPEAKER_03: I know.
• 5:51
  SPEAKER_03: So your your Russian, your Russian patient wanted you to beat the shit out of her face.
• 5:57
  SPEAKER_03: That literally I totally get it.
• 5:58
  SPEAKER_04: She just laid there and was like, hurt me.
• 6:00
  SPEAKER_03: And she probably has beautiful skin.
• 6:03
  SPEAKER_04: She was gorgeous.
• 6:05
  SPEAKER_03: I, you know, I think she moved back.
• 6:08
  SPEAKER_04: I would love to see her again.
• 6:10
  SPEAKER_04: You know, if you're listening to this and you remember my name and you remember the glorious pain I gave you, I'm at Skin Lab.
• 6:16
  SPEAKER_03: So, what's the what's the benefit of a facial?
• 6:19
  SPEAKER_03: What are what are we getting out of doing a traditional facial?
• 6:23
  SPEAKER_03: Other than it sounds like it probably is very relaxing.
• 6:26
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, feels good.
• 6:27
  SPEAKER_04: Feels good.
• 6:28
  SPEAKER_04: Here's what, you know, and this is where I'm gonna start to ruffle some feathers.
• 6:31
  SPEAKER_04: A traditional facial is a glorified face cleansing.
• 6:36
  SPEAKER_04: There are a lot of SDs out there who are trying to use those facials to treat medical conditions.
• 6:44
  SPEAKER_04: And that is where I start to get fired up, you know, when they're in there saying, oh, this is, you know, the product that we carry here, the spa product is gonna treat your rosacea.
• 6:54
  SPEAKER_04: And, you know, the more you do these facials, the better your rosacea is gonna get.
• 6:58
  SPEAKER_04: But unfortunately, the products they're using there are not enough for what you need.
• 7:04
  SPEAKER_04: And unfortunately, 80% of them are probably doing you a disservice because they're treating it wrong.
• 7:12
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 7:12
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I mean the chances there of them probably overexfoliating, yes, putting on irritants is probably pretty high.
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_04: Even like the hot towels and the steam, like that's an automatic no-no for a rosacea patient.
• 7:26
  SPEAKER_04: That can definitely flare them.
• 7:28
  SPEAKER_04: It's an automatic, everyone does it.
• 7:31
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 7:31
  SPEAKER_04: So, um, you know, if you're looking to feel good, go get a traditional facial.
• 7:38
  SPEAKER_04: A lot of these experiences, like you go into these spas, you know, a facial, an hour-long facial on a spa at this point is like 275 to 300 dollars.
• 7:49
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, you could spend that money at a place like Skin Lab and get an actual treatment that is going to change your skin.
• 7:58
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_04: 100%.
• 8:00
  SPEAKER_04: You know, do I think facials are worth it?
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_04: No.
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_04: But do I think that they're okay maybe right before an event or just for like a spa day?
• 8:11
  SPEAKER_04: Like, yeah, go for it.
• 8:12
  SPEAKER_04: Fall asleep to those chants, right?
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_04: Preserve it.
• 8:15
  SPEAKER_03: How long is that glow and that decongestion really going to last from a facial anyway?
• 8:22
  SPEAKER_04: Maybe two days tops because 95% of the time they're leaving and putting makeup right back on their face, especially freshly exfoliated skin, and you're literally just undoing everything that was done to you.
• 8:35
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 8:35
  SPEAKER_03: You're just throwing the makeup on and recongesting your skin.
• 8:40
  SPEAKER_03: So, what about what about hydrofacials?
• 8:43
  SPEAKER_03: Let's let's get even more spicy because I know, I know a lot of people out there are doing this.
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_04: This is where people are gonna come.
• 8:52
  SPEAKER_04: They're gonna come for me.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_04: Listen, here's the deal with a hydrofacial.
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_04: You're gonna get some lymphatic drainage, okay?
• 8:59
  SPEAKER_04: You're gonna have an experience of a suction cup sucking your skin as they move the wand around.
• 9:06
  SPEAKER_04: They're going to blast some serums onto your face, and then they're going to do like a vacuum suction of your blackheads.
• 9:15
  SPEAKER_04: And at the very end of the procedure, they're going to hold up a dirty canister of water and say, Oh, but I just took off your face.
• 9:24
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 9:25
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_03: They they I see it all the time on social media, and it's like uh, it's like there's they're so proud.
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_04: They're so proud.
• 9:35
  SPEAKER_04: Bless their hearts.
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_04: Here's a little a little tip I'm gonna tell you 95% of the time that canister's been sitting there and hasn't been cleaned out yet.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_03: That's so gross, but I believe that because there are gross things that happen in a lot of offices.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_04: And it's again, it goes back to the same thing.
• 9:55
  SPEAKER_04: A lot of and the and it this is where we're gonna get in trouble because there are medical spas and professional offices that carry and offer hydrofacials.
• 10:03
  SPEAKER_04: A hydrofacial before an event, I'll tell my my patients, go get one.
• 10:07
  SPEAKER_04: If it's like before an event or you just kind of need like judged or spruced up, go and get one.
• 10:14
  SPEAKER_04: But is it going to again, is it gonna treat or do anything?
• 10:18
  SPEAKER_04: No.
• 10:19
  SPEAKER_04: And I think the prices at this point, I think, go up to like 400 a session.
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, they're they're really expensive now.
• 10:27
  SPEAKER_04: They really like 400 a session for a hydrofacial and they're getting them monthly.
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_04: So again, in my my treatment brain, which is one of the reasons I did not last in a spa room more than I think two months before I got into medical.
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_04: In my treatment brain, if you are spending$400 a month on a hydrofacial, why aren't you spending$400 a month on a combination of dermaplane lasers and peels or microneedling where you can do those things monthly and you are just going to continuously improve the quality of your skin and see real results?
• 11:04
  SPEAKER_03: And just think how much amazing skincare you could get for that$400 a month.
• 11:10
  SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
• 11:11
  SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
• 11:12
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, use that money towards good skincare because the results are gonna be better.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_03: They're gonna be so much better.
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_04: And you're literally what you're doing with a hydrofacial is basically putting your money in a dirty canister of water that they show you at the end.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_04: You're getting nothing but trash.
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_04: Yep.
• 11:35
  SPEAKER_04: You know, don't let me.
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_03: You let me honestly, I if there are SCs out there listening, first of all, thank you for listening.
• 11:43
  SPEAKER_03: Keep listening.
• 11:43
  SPEAKER_03: We love you, don't hate us.
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_03: Um, however, let's let's hear from you guys if you have seen life-altering result results from Hydro Fracials.
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_03: First of all, I don't believe you.
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_03: But second of all, let me know.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_03: And I want to see, let's see some pictures, let's see some transformations, let's see some before and after photos.
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_03: But I would love to know I don't believe you.
• 12:07
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 12:07
  SPEAKER_04: And if you are going to show us that, I want to know what products they're using at home, what other services are they getting done?
• 12:14
  SPEAKER_04: Are they going somewhere else for injections?
• 12:17
  SPEAKER_04: Are they going somewhere else for laser treatments or skin pen?
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_04: You know, what else are they doing?
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_04: Give me all that information with a good before and after, we can talk.
• 12:28
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, I'm with you there.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_03: So, so what do what do people want to do instead of hydrofacials and facials?
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_03: If they're if they're not putting their money towards those, but they want to be doing something in the office every month because a lot of people do it, makes them feel good.
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_03: What do we like for that?
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_04: Well, if if we want to keep it pretty basic, you know, what I love for that is a good session on the clarity.
• 12:57
  SPEAKER_04: Um, a clear clarity laser has a modality of Alex and Yag, and that's actually going to give us a spectrum of treating reds, browns, stimulating collagen, you know, target targeting pores, acne, inflammation, and we can tailor that to the exact need that you have.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_04: You know, so getting something like I hate to use the word laser facial, but yeah.
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_03: I mean people understand it that way.
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_04: So kind of spending the money on a laser facial that's, you know, paired with a good dermaplane.
• 13:29
  SPEAKER_04: You know, dermaplane is taking all that peach fuzz and the dead skin cells off of you.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_04: So your products are gonna penetrate better.
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_04: We do that before we even do the treatment.
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_04: So now the treatment is is gonna work a little bit better.
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_04: And then, you know, seal it off with like a light chemical peel or a stimulator peel that's just going to kind of keep that process going and building.
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_04: If you do that once a month, your skin is gonna change drastically.
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_03: 100%.
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_03: I a hundred percent.
• 13:59
  SPEAKER_03: I've been seeing it for 16 years.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_03: These very non-invasive lasers where we're just heating the skin enough to induce change can give really beautiful results.
• 14:11
  SPEAKER_03: And when you do it consistently, you really see change over time.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_03: The pores look better, the texture looks better, redness, discoloration, all of that improves.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_03: And it's about the same price as a hydrofacial.
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_04: It's right around the same price.
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_04: And you know, a lot of people hear the word laser and they immediately associate it with pain.
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_04: This is not painful.
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_04: No, it's I have people fall asleep.
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_04: When I'm doing this because they they think it feels really good.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_04: You know, it's it's heating the skin, it kind of gives you that that warmth, you know, that you need inside.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_04: But then there's settings that I can use with cryogen.
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_04: And you know what?
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_04: Cryogen kind of gives that appearance of your skin tightening a little bit.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_04: So you are going to leave the chair looking snatched.
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_03: At least I mean, at least for for that day, you know, you have an event or something that night.
• 15:05
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_03: And a lot of places, you don't have to come to Skin Lab.
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_03: A lot of places do these very non-invasive, low-level, low-level laser therapy treatments.
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_03: Um, so so you you started to talk a little bit about chemical peels and and even combining that with chemical peels.
• 15:26
  SPEAKER_03: So chemical peels are have been around in the dermatology world for decades.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_03: It's probably, these are probably one of the first cosmetic procedures that ever existed.
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_03: Tell me a little bit about chemical peels and kind of what what can we do with peels?
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_03: What's the range of what a chemical peel can do?
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_04: The limit does not exist.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_03: The limit does not exist.
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_03: The limit does not exist.
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_03: We've talked about Buffy, Marvel, and now mean girls.
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_03: We haven't missed anything yet.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_04: We did it.
• 15:55
  SPEAKER_04: Um the range for a chemical peel is absolutely amazing because you can hit just about every target that you have with the right chemical.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_04: You know, acne, huge, rosacea, huge, pigment, uh-huh, huge.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_04: Yep.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_04: Age issues, fine lines, wrinkles, pores, huge.
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_04: So there is a chemical peel essentially for everyone, depending on what they're looking for.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_04: And a lot of people, again, they'll hear the word chemical peel, and they're thinking something like a phenol peel, you know, where like their entire face is coming off.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_04: That's not what it means.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_04: No, they're thinking of that episode of Sex in the City.
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_04: That's exactly they're thinking still thinks about it.
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_03: If you're a millennial, you know exactly what I'm talking about.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_04: You're picturing Samantha coming to Carrie's book release party with the black veil on.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it's iconic.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_04: It's it's not that, you know, you there are different levels.
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_04: Do we do?
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, I've done, I've played with kind of what I would call a sheet peel.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_04: Um, I what do you mean by sheet peel?
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_04: A sheet peel is when you're you're basically our shedding like that layer of skin.
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_04: And it's like a snake, and that whole layer is coming off of you.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_04: It's a process.
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_04: But it's so satisfying.
• 17:22
  SPEAKER_04: You know, we don't peel it away, you clip it away.
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_04: It's not as bad as people think.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_04: You know, I've I've witnessed, I can't even count how many blue peels I've assisted and witnessed.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_04: Um, that's that's a downtime peel.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_04: You know, that's uh you look like you walked into a wall and decided to do it six more times.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that's that's the sex in the city peel.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_04: That's the sex in the city peel.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_04: That's that's one baby step below phenol.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, exactly.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that's that's a TCA peel.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_03: I believe it's a 30% TCA peel.
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_03: It might even be higher than that.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_03: I think it's higher.
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_03: So that's that's going, that's going down into the dermis.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_03: And that's the nice thing about peels, depending on what chemical we use and how we apply it, we can decide what depth of tissue we're gonna reach.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, we can can we we can control that, you know.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_04: And I've I've been able to to have patients almost have a result of a blue peel with a sal acid peel.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, with a series, yeah.
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, just with how their skin took it, you know.
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_04: You I'll sit you down and I'll say, okay, how aggressive do we want to be?
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_04: You know, are we looking to just be bright or are we looking to make a change?
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_04: And then we can go from there.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_04: The other disclaimer though is just because you had a peel doesn't mean your skin is going to peel.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_03: Can we bust that myth right now?
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_03: Let's bust the myth.
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_03: The myth is busted.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_03: That is that is uh, I've been hearing that for so long.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_03: Once a month, I got a peel with so and so, or I got a peel at this place, and I didn't even peel.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_03: I didn't even peel.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_03: It was a waste of money.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_03: So, what do we say to that?
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_04: I simply say you don't necessarily your skin does not have to peel off for it to work.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_04: Your body reacted a little differently to it, but let's look at what you look like right now.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_04: Peels work at a cellular level.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_04: They work at a cellular level.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_04: You know, if you're an acneic patient and we're not looking for your skin to peel, I'm looking to get to that bacteria.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_04: I'm looking to stabilize things for you.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_04: So you didn't peel, but did you have less breakouts this month?
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_03: I I think peels is kind of it's kind of a uh almost a misnomer now nowadays.
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_03: You don't really have to see your skin falling off to get a good result.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_03: And and we have a couple peels in the office that we do where uh it can be almost red carpet ready.
• 20:01
  SPEAKER_03: You could do it the day of or the day before an event and talk about making your skin glow.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_03: Your skin will glow so much better with something like that compared to just a traditional facial.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_04: I will typically I do those the day of an event or maybe the day before an event.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_04: Like if they're derma planing, I'll do a couple days before.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_04: But they literally look like a glazed donut.
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, literally when they leave the office.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_04: They it's it's absolutely stunning, it's gorgeous.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_04: I have people telling me, like, I don't even have to wear makeup.
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_04: Like that's how good this looks right here.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, they're so they're amazing.
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_03: So again, people get but people are still probably scared.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, so what are what are some things that could go wrong in a chemical peel?
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_03: Because there are things, you know, there's there's there's gonna be people who are still nervous.
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_03: So what are some things that could happen if you go to someone who maybe doesn't know what they're doing with the peel or is not as experienced?
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 21:06
  SPEAKER_04: One of the biggest things that you would see could be hyper or hypopigmentation.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_04: You know, if you are um a person of color and they try to use the wrong type of peel on you, you're going to hypopigment.
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_04: And whoever is working on you needs to know that.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_04: Like they need to know, do not use this product.
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_04: Um, same thing, you could have the adverse reaction of hyperpigmentation where your skin just darkens and it does not work the way you wanted it to.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_04: It could also cause more breakouts, you know, but it's those are typically I don't want to say user error.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_04: Most of the time.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_04: Of the time.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_03: I mean things can things can happen.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_04: You know, things can happen.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_04: I'm not going to sit here and say I've never had something happen.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_04: Sure.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_04: Of course.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_03: We all have.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_03: We if you work in this industry and you haven't had a complication, you're not doing enough procedures.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_03: It's not, it's not the flex that they think it is.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_03: No.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_03: Instead they haven't had a complication, it's not a flex.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_04: It's not a flex.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_04: So, you know, and it could be anything that caused that complication.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_04: You know, it could be the medication list didn't get updated, or maybe the patient forgot to say their medication changed, or they forgot to tell you that they just had a virus.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_04: Or, you know, there's a lot of different things.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_04: But then again, there's also the one in 100 chance something just went wrong and we can't explain it.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
• 22:58
  SPEAKER_03: I remember in my old life, one of the providers did a deep TCA peel on a patient.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_03: And it was a very deep peel.
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_03: So the deeper the peel, the longer the healing, and the longer the healing, the higher risk you are for infections because the skin barrier is disrupted longer.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_03: And she unfortunately got a she she had a cold and she was blowing her nose a lot while she was healing.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_03: And she got a staph infection while she was healing.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_03: And unfortunately, that did result in some scarring.
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_03: So that's that's a worst case scenario.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_03: And the reason I remember it is because it's the only time I've ever seen it happen out of thousands of peels.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_03: But it, you know, it can happen.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_03: The patient really I wish that she had called the provider and said, hey, I'm I've got a I've got a cold.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_03: I'm blowing my nose.
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_03: This is a problem for the peel.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_03: And there are things that she could have done to potentially prevent that infection from happening.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_03: But also the patient didn't call.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_03: So that's another problem.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_04: That is also, yeah, because you know a lot of times I'll hear, well, I didn't want to bother you.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_04: So please bother me.
• 24:23
  SPEAKER_04: Please bother us.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_04: Please bother me.
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_04: I cannot say this enough to my patients.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_04: You guys follow me on Instagram.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_04: You know my email.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_04: You know how to get a hold of me at the office.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_04: Bother me.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_04: If something doesn't feel right, if you have a question, I would rather us address it than you bother me than me find out down the road that something horrible was going on.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_03: Absolutely.
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, I am on Instagram.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_03: I'm embarrassed about my screen time on Instagram.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_03: I don't even know what it is.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_03: I'll have, I'll be traumatized if I actually see it.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_03: So I don't check.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_03: So just mess message me, message Melissa.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_03: We're always on Instagram, you know, um, or message your provider if you're not, if if you don't see us, or or hopefully they give you some way to reach them.
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_03: To get a hold of them.
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_03: To get a hold of them, yes, for sure.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_03: So I've got I've got a good one.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_03: This one's gonna surprise you.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_03: I've got a good next topic.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, you ready?
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_03: You haven't heard this word in a long time.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_03: Am I gonna microderm abrasion?
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_04: I'm gonna twitch.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_03: You're gonna twitch.
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_03: Microderm abrasion is, you know, that's another really old cosmetic procedure from a lifetime ago.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_03: Um, I do think that some people still do it, but talk to me a little bit about microderm abrasion and how do you feel about it?
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_04: I think I'm gonna, I might make people a little bit more mad on this than I did the hydrofacial.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_04: If you've ever seen office space, treat it like the copier machine.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_04: Take your office, have a ritual outside, and beat it and light it on fire.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_04: Even just talking, even just talking about it, like I can I I can I feel the crystals in my mouth.
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_04: From the amount of them that I had done in the past, like I would be chewing on crystals all day long.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_03: So, so microderm abrasion is basically what we're we're sanding the skin, right?
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, we're using like a pneumatic vacuum.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_04: Um it is literally sandblasting you with uh with crystal.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_04: It's this is how long it's been.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_04: I can't even tell you what it is.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_03: It's essentially what the way I always thought of it, and it's and it's been so long.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, I I remember vaguely, maybe in the very beginning of our derm life, maybe 2012-ish, it would it still existed at that practice.
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_04: Oh no, they it that existed at that practice when we left.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_04: They still had it.
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_04: Now, how much use it was getting, right?
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know.
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_04: But I'm just trying to think of what the material, the actual material of the crystal is.
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_04: I want to say it's like sodium something.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_03: Um something you should you just you probably shouldn't put on your face.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_04: Probably really shouldn't be putting on your face.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_04: If you want that result, go sit on the beach on a windy day.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_04: Or if you have a cat, let them aggressively lick your face and the job is done.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_04: No, seriously, that's how you like when people would be like, what's it gonna feel like?
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_04: I'd be like, like a cat licking your face.
• 27:48
  SPEAKER_04: I've never been licking a cat.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_03: So I, you know, I'm maybe your cat should lick my face so I can know what it feels like one of these days.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_03: My cat loves licking face.
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, I'm coming over.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_03: I'll see what microdermivision feels like because I'm never gonna.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_04: That's that's an Instagram reel.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_04: Um, so here's the thing like the premise of it was deep exfoliation, you know, manual exfoliation, and that's essentially all it was.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_04: You know, what would it feel good?
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_04: No, I don't even think it felt good.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_04: I thought it was like a torture device.
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, totally.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_04: It was like sitting on the beach in the middle of a hurricane with sand slapping you in the face and someone using a dustbuster on you.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_04: And that's that's what it was.
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_03: Talk about a rosacea flare.
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, horrible.
• 28:36
  SPEAKER_04: And then they would be like, oh yeah, use this for acne.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_04: I'm like, no, no, right.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_04: It made no like I remember doing it at that practice, and like literally I would I would set a timer and I would just go over a person's face.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, until it was like until my timer went off.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_04: Because we don't want to destroy their skin barrier, it was dumb.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, there was one the doctor that I had worked for at the time, um, was testing some, I don't even, this was so long ago.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_04: I'm trying to, it was she was had a theory about combining, and I'm drawing a blank on what's the skin cancer cream?
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_04: Fudex.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, combining FUDEX with microderm abrasion treatments for hypopigmentation.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_03: Interesting.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_04: Did it work?
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_04: And honestly, it did a little bit.
• 29:35
  SPEAKER_04: Um, it's that's actually a patient you and I both know very well that we treated there and is with us now at Skin Lab.
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_04: Um, you know, she agreed to kind of be the test subject for this, and there was a spot on her cheek that she just could not get to go away and even out.
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_04: And we did see some improvement.
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_04: Was it vast?
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_04: No.
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_04: Was it worth putting her through what she had to go through with the effudex?
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_04: Probably not.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_04: Um, I want to say we did like eight sessions.
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_03: Wow.
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_03: So you so you did the microdermoblation or abrasion and then applied the effudex to that spot to try to repigment it.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_03: That I mean, that sounds like we our our our mentor, she's very creative in that way.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_03: So I could see that brilliant.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_03: She's a brilliant mind when it comes to this stuff.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_03: Um, shout out Dr.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_03: Obaji.
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, Dr.
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_04: Abaji, thank you.
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_04: Thank you for bringing us together to this point.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_04: Um, but yeah, it was it was a great idea.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_04: And I was I was so pumped that she's like, I want you to do this with me.
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, yeah, that's the type of thing you get so excited about.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_04: I know.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_04: And I think that's why she always was like, Hey, come here, I have an idea.
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_04: Um, I mean I still do that myself now.
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_04: But yeah, it was, I think in terms of that, with it, if it was studied more and there was more clinical results on doing something like that, then I would say microderm still has a place in the industry.
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_03: There's just the I think the technology has just gotten so much better.
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 31:19
  SPEAKER_03: We didn't have we didn't have things, yeah.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_04: We weren't even derma planing then.
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_04: Like derma planing wasn't even right.
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_03: Microderm abrasion for for scars 20 years ago was uh what you know one of the only things that that some people could do.
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_03: And it's kind of the idea of you you sand the scar down to meet the the level of the skin that the scars kind of sitting in, the little divoted part, you sand around so then you all the surrounding skin is at the the lower level, if that makes sense.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, but now we have lasers, yes, blending, but now we have lasers that build up.
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_03: We're gonna build up to meet to meet the healthy tissue.
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_03: So yeah.
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_04: So instead of taking your tissue away, the lasers are stimulating your collagen to bring the tissue back up.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, exactly.
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_03: All right, so last one derma planing.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_03: What is derma planing and why do we like it?
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_03: Why do we like to do it in the office versus at home?
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_03: Because I know a lot of people who are listening, all 12 of you, I think we're up to 12 now.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_03: We gotta be.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_03: Um, you're thinking, why can't I just derma plane at home?
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_04: Because I will come to your house, I will drag you outside by the hair and curb stomping.
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_04: I'm just kidding.
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_03: Um it's so violent.
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_03: You do it.
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_03: I love the passion.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_04: Dermoplaning is one of my very favorite things.
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_04: What are you doing?
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_03: So, what is what is der What do you do when you dermoplane?
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_04: I love explaining this to people for the first time because it makes their eyes bug out when I say I take a scalpel and surgical blade to your face.
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_04: Um, but essentially what you're doing is you are removing all of the Vellus hair.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_04: And you know, if you have some other hair, the Vellus hair is the peach fuzz.
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_04: Um, and if you know Mystica in her real life, she is the hairiest.
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_04: I am teen wolf.
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_04: She's teen wolf.
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_04: I will I am when it's time to dermoplane her, it's blonde, but when it's time to dermoplane her, I come up behind her and I start petting her.
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm like, you do teen wolf.
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_03: You do.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_03: You're like time to get in the chair.
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_04: How we operate, but it's taking away that peach fuzz hair.
• 33:47
  SPEAKER_04: And I'm gonna throw this out here right now.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_04: No, your hair is not gonna grow back thicker, it's not going to turn into a beard that is an old wives' tale.
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_04: What I tell my my patients when I do it, you won't even know it's back until you're sitting in your car at a stoplight and you pull your visor down six weeks later and the sun hits you at the right time, and you're like, oh, it's time to go back in.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_04: But most importantly, it's removing that dead skin.
• 34:17
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, it is giving you a refresh.
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_04: It is doing essentially what micro they say microderma abrasion is doing with removing your dead skin cells without the aggressive cat licking.
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_04: Why do we love it?
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_04: We love it because your products are going to penetrate better.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_04: That is my number one reason I love to do derma planing.
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_04: You are going to get so much better product absorption.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_04: Your skin is going to be so much more smooth.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_04: You're not going to have that peach fuzz hair in the way.
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_04: So if you're somebody that wears makeup, that makeup application is going to be smooth and perfect.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_04: It is going to help your skin glow.
• 34:55
  SPEAKER_04: And it's just going to clean you up.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_04: Everybody with a face is a candidate for derma planing.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_03: And I have to say, I was not, I wasn't really on board with it at first.
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_03: I was like, eh, you know, just let laser my face.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_03: Like, why do I why do I need to do derma planing?
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_03: And then I got it done for the first time, and my skin was so smooth.
• 35:17
  SPEAKER_03: My makeup looked so much better.
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_03: And I could tell my products were penetrating better.
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_03: They just were.
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_03: You get rid of that that very top superficial layer, the stratum corneum, and everything just works better.
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_03: And and and Melissa's very creative.
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_03: You you'll often combine it with a peel for better penetration of the peel and sometimes laser, even my even microneedling.
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_03: I I was just gonna say that.
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_04: I will do it before almost anything.
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_04: Um, even yeah, no, I will do it before everything.
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_04: I don't think there's one thing.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_04: No, I've done, yeah, I do it before microneedling, I've done it before Genius, I've done it before Ultra.
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_04: Even the same, you know, you get it done the same day you have injections.
• 36:06
  SPEAKER_04: You come see me first, and then we pop you over to Mystica and you get your injections done.
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_04: Dermaplane is the one service that can be added on to anything that you do.
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_04: What's the benefit?
• 36:17
  SPEAKER_04: Again, we're not fighting through the stratum corneum.
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_04: It's we're literally removing one of the barriers that we want to get out of the way anyway, so things work better and you're gonna get a better result.
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_04: Um, also think they numb better.
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, yeah, I'm sure.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_03: I'm sure it's just the numbing is gonna penetrate better.
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_03: Absolutely.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_03: A hundred percent.
• 36:42
  SPEAKER_04: So, yes, in office, in office dermaplaning.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_03: Don't shave your face.
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_03: Come in and get it done by professional or go see your esthetician.
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_03: Almost all estheticians derma plane, right?
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_03: For the most part, no?
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_04: Um, it's so it's I know we have a lot of nationwide people, it's per state.
• 37:03
  SPEAKER_04: So it's what your state regulation is.
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_04: State line is okay allows you to do.
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_04: It's getting, I've heard and I haven't verified it, and I really should, but I've heard that you can in Pennsylvania now it has to be in a medical practice.
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, yes.
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_03: I think you know what?
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_03: I actually think you're right.
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_03: They changed the law.
• 37:24
  SPEAKER_03: It has to be done in a medical practice.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you're totally right.
• 37:27
  SPEAKER_03: Because you're going below stratum corneum, right?
• 37:29
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that's technically.
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_03: I think you're right about that.
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_04: So yeah, and I think it just like I said, it varies state to state.
• 37:37
  SPEAKER_04: Um, what I am afraid of is, you know, you see again, you can buy these things in the stores.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_04: They're I call them tinkle razors.
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_04: Uh, a tinkle razor is essentially, you'll see them, it's like a plastic thing, and then the blade is serrated.
• 37:53
  SPEAKER_04: So your blade has little tiny divots.
• 37:57
  SPEAKER_04: That sounds horrible.
• 37:59
  SPEAKER_03: And people are, I have seen so much injury from this.
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_03: I'd rather have the cat tongue.
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, but but because people are like, oh yeah, I'm gonna do it.
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_03: You're taking a serrated razor to your face.
• 38:10
  SPEAKER_04: You're taking a serrated razor to your face.
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_04: You are causing so many microterrors, you're spreading so much bacteria, you know, you don't necessarily know what you're doing.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_04: Right.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_04: And it's like I'm seeing like residual scarring.
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_04: I'm seeing all of this stuff start to come up now because of these tinkle razors.
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_04: Listen, I get it.
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_04: You think it's easy to do it that way, but you are causing yourself more harm.
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_04: This is definitely in office with a professional.
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_04: To the same extent, since the dermaplane law has changed, there are aestheticians buying tinkle razors and calling it like a part of the face wax.
• 38:50
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 38:51
  SPEAKER_04: Yikes.
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_04: So be careful.
• 38:54
  SPEAKER_04: We've the wild, wild west.
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_03: Melissa literally uses a scalpel.
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_03: You use a surgical tool that we yeah, and we auto-clave the the handle.
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_03: It is with decontamination.
• 39:08
  SPEAKER_03: Decontamination.
• 39:09
  SPEAKER_03: It's it's what's done in a medical office or a hospital for instruments.
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_03: And then you use a disposable, a disposable blade that you can be used in surgery too.
• 39:20
  SPEAKER_04: We it is the exact same blade that like makes that initial surgical cut.
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_04: Yes.
• 39:27
  SPEAKER_03: This is not something that you can buy at Target, guys.
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_03: No, so completely different.
• 39:33
  SPEAKER_04: And that again is why the difference is so drastic with you know what you might, you know.
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_04: Again, I've had patients get it done with me, and they're like, maybe I could just like cheat the system and I'll go buy one of these and hold me off for a little bit.
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_04: And they've come back to me and they're like, I I don't know what that was, but fix my face.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_04: It did nothing that I wanted it to do.
• 39:57
  SPEAKER_04: And I'm like, Yeah, because I'm using a real ass blade on your face.
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it's like butter.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_04: Yes, yes, a hundred.
• 40:05
  SPEAKER_04: It's like butter.
• 40:06
  SPEAKER_04: Um, so yeah, I will I will probably die on the Tinkle Razor Hill.
• 40:11
  SPEAKER_04: If that's that's where you're gonna end up burying me.
• 40:14
  SPEAKER_03: So derma planing, worth it or not worth it?
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_03: In office.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_03: And how about microderm abrasion?
• 40:22
  SPEAKER_03: Not worth it.
• 40:23
  SPEAKER_03: Negative.
• 40:23
  SPEAKER_04: I'm not even a j I'm not even light it on fire.
• 40:27
  SPEAKER_04: Agree.
• 40:28
  SPEAKER_03: It's probably flammable.
• 40:29
  SPEAKER_03: Agree.
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_03: Is it literally probably is we were putting flammable?
• 40:36
  SPEAKER_03: Can we take it out back and beat the shit out of it like an office space?
• 40:40
  SPEAKER_03: I need to re-watch it.
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_04: Light it on fire and make some s'mores.
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_03: Chemical peels, worth it or not worth it?
• 40:46
  SPEAKER_03: Worth it, worth it, definitely.
• 40:48
  SPEAKER_03: Hydrofacial.
• 40:51
  SPEAKER_04: Um, it's not worth it unless you just want to feel good or you have an event coming up.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_03: Yep, agree.
• 40:59
  SPEAKER_03: And traditional facial, worth it or not worth it?
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_04: Same thing.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_04: It's not worth it for a result.
• 41:06
  SPEAKER_04: It's worth it if you just want to feel better about yourself.
• 41:09
  SPEAKER_03: It's like go get a massage.
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_04: I would rather get a massage.
• 41:13
  SPEAKER_03: Go get a massage.
• 41:15
  SPEAKER_03: And thank you so much, Melissa.
• 41:17
  SPEAKER_03: This was so fun.
• 41:19
  SPEAKER_03: We our very first guest on Scalpel and Skin slash co-host.
• 41:25
  SPEAKER_03: I was co-host.
• 41:26
  SPEAKER_03: Sorry, Labrasca, I'm coming for you.
• 41:29
  SPEAKER_03: She's coming for Dr.
• 41:30
  SPEAKER_03: LaBraska's job, everybody.
• 41:33
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you so much for listening, and we'll see you soon.
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