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What It’s REALLY Like to Work for the Gods · Tales from Incredible Tales

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  Speaker 1: Not my wife walking in front of me or anything,
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  Speaker 1: I see exactly the same size and hair, long hair,
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  Speaker 1: like my wife, the figure sitting in front of the mirror,
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  Speaker 1: you know, in the midnight.
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  Speaker 1: Combing.
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  Speaker 1: My name is Qi Yang.
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  Speaker 2: My name is, my name is Wayne, my name is Kyle,
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  Speaker 2: and this is Tales from Incredible Tales, inspired by the
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  Speaker 2: classic horror series, we explore Southeast Asia's supernatural culture. This is,
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  Speaker 2: no pun intended, a spiritual sequel to a previous episode.
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  Speaker 2: Last season, we talked about bomos and Takis. Since then,
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  Speaker 2: we thought it would be pretty cool to get an
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  Speaker 2: actual Ty on the show.
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  Speaker 2: So that's what we did. Kuneng Qi Yang has been
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  Speaker 2: a tanki since he was 17. As a taki, he
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  Speaker 2: serves two gods Nursa as the Lotus third prince and
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  Speaker 2: son Yebo. Jiang, welcome to the show. Welcome, exciting, huh?
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure y'all have a lot of questions. I know
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  Speaker 2: for a fact has a lot of questions. Yeah, yeah, I,
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  Speaker 2: I always have a lot of questions, especially about life, lah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So deep. You wait lah. Episode just started relax, pace yourself.
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  Speaker 2: We'll be speaking with Chiang about the life of a tanki,
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  Speaker 2: how he was chosen, and what he has to do
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  Speaker 2: to serve the gods, and what other supernatural encounter he's had.
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  Speaker 2: This episode was inspired by the classic Incredible Tales episode,
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  Speaker 2: Hantu Raya. As we covered last season, the word Tangki
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  Speaker 2: is Hokkien for spirit medium.
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  Speaker 2: They serve as a vessels for gods, spirits, and deities.
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  Speaker 2: When possessed, a tangi is regarded as an incarnated god.
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  Speaker 2: According to an article quote, Tangi spirit medium worship has
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  Speaker 2: its origin in the people of the Minan region of
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  Speaker 2: Fujian province, located along China's southeastern coast, end quote. Qiyang.
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  Speaker 2: What is your origin as a Tangy and when and
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  Speaker 2: how were you chosen to be the one?
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  Speaker 1: OK, so basically my, my
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  Speaker 1: And Chester, they are tkeys. So one my one's my great-grandfather, OK,
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  Speaker 1: passed on. We we say in Taoist, this donkey we
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  Speaker 1: have to pass on to the next generation. If he
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  Speaker 1: finished this contract, let's say like, like we say contract, OK,
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  Speaker 1: if his contract is 10 years or 20 years, if
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  Speaker 1: he finish everything before he passed on, yeah, this thing
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  Speaker 1: will end. But if he never finished the contract,
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  Speaker 1: And he passed on first, this thing we have to
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  Speaker 1: be continued to the next generation. Yeah, but not everyone
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  Speaker 1: will get like this confirm, confirmed to pass on. depends
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  Speaker 1: on when we caught by the, let's say, OK, OK,
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  Speaker 1: we caught by the god and we have to go
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  Speaker 1: to the temple, we have to pray.
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  Speaker 1: So we have to ask for the answer that we
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  Speaker 1: call popui, you know, the, the, the thing that we
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  Speaker 1: have to throw, and we have the answer from the
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  Speaker 1: god lah. So we say, OK, uh, I will serve
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  Speaker 1: you for 5 years, OK, as a donkey, OK, I
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  Speaker 1: will present for you for 5 years to do and
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  Speaker 1: help around in this world, OK, 5 years.
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  Speaker 1: We lah, OK. If they give the answer is no,
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  Speaker 1: then you have to ask for 10 years. Ask until
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  Speaker 1: you get the answer.
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  Speaker 2: 5 years is shortest and then for the longest you
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  Speaker 1: ever heard of in your life like, like me. OK,
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  Speaker 1: for me.
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  Speaker 1: I got one brother also tangy, OK, but uh, before
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  Speaker 1: my brother get tangy, it's my mom. My mom didn't
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  Speaker 1: serve this donkey because my mum gets sick when she
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  Speaker 1: is young lah. So my grandma bring my mom to
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  Speaker 1: a temple and ask why my mum gets sick, this
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  Speaker 1: sickness cannot cure. So they went to the god, the
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  Speaker 1: go and say, because the god want her to be
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  Speaker 1: represent the god to help, but my mom don't want.
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  Speaker 1: So the exchange, the God want to exchange this for
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  Speaker 1: my mom.
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  Speaker 1: You help me, I help you, yeah, but my mom
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  Speaker 1: say she don't want to be a donkey, yeah, so
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  Speaker 1: her sickness still now, still have cannot cure on off.
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  Speaker 1: So as a son.
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  Speaker 1: Our turn. They come and find us because my great
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  Speaker 1: grandfather never finished, my uncle serving, my mom never served,
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  Speaker 1: the son get.
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  Speaker 2: Your your your your child have to I have to
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  Speaker 1: finish my end of my life here.
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  Speaker 2: OK.
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  Speaker 2: And is it?
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  Speaker 2: Your grandfather didn't finish and your mother didn't want, so
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  Speaker 2: you took for your mother and your brother took for
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  Speaker 2: your great-grandfather, is it?
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  Speaker 1: To hang ah to get yeah
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  Speaker 2: but how, how do you actually
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  Speaker 1: OK as in Taoist we, we will, we will serve
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  Speaker 1: our actual first go first that means the nerds are
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  Speaker 1: the linhua santai we say, OK, after 3 years the
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  Speaker 1: in that we say sign upe, the san ye po
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  Speaker 1: and come and find me, yeah, that means we got
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  Speaker 1: the feed lah.
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  Speaker 2: I understand.
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  Speaker 1: So it's not this, this, you cannot be chosen.
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  Speaker 2: It's up to the individual. So let's say if your
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  Speaker 2: ancestors is not a random people just want to be.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but last time old people say we got say
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  Speaker 1: one is called the got the one you, you got
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  Speaker 1: to fake. One is I want to jump myself, OK,
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  Speaker 1: so it's different, it's different.
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  Speaker 2: Like for example, but, but would you want to be
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  Speaker 2: a donkey? No, because I have friends that are donkey.
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  Speaker 2: Actually it's not very easy on your life. It's a commitment.
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  Speaker 2: It's a very big commitment. Yeah, it's you really, you
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  Speaker 2: need to.
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  Speaker 2: Build your life around it and it's a responsibility that
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  Speaker 2: you need to take care of. I feel like it
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  Speaker 2: is not for everyone, and I don't think I am
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  Speaker 2: the person, yeah, but I, I feel like if you
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  Speaker 2: are the person, if you are the chosen one, of course,
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  Speaker 2: the gods will bless you with the wisdom to do it.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, it's chosen one, it's really chosen one. It's
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  Speaker 2: faith chosen one. So I don't know, maybe I am.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe like maybe when I turn 50 there are people
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  Speaker 2: who are older then they become donkey on their their
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  Speaker 2: time is up right and the gods will call you
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  Speaker 2: the calling was late
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  Speaker 1: something like that it's like
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  Speaker 2: they call you for a service then you come you
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  Speaker 2: have to do already
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  Speaker 1: as he say he's right donkey is not easy in
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  Speaker 1: this path. So for me to the next, next time
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  Speaker 1: in future young generation, I hope they think twice before
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  Speaker 1: they being a donkey. Yeah, it's not simple. You have to.
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  Speaker 1: Sacrifice your time, your, your meat. What we say meat is, uh,
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  Speaker 1: when we got some poking, OK, as in God they
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  Speaker 1: have to do something, we have to pierce, we do
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  Speaker 1: piercing your mouth, your hand, your back, and we do
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  Speaker 1: some cutting.
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  Speaker 1: We sacrifice our blood to help people. Do you get paid? Paid? No, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 1: definitely no, we cannot talk about money.
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  Speaker 2: Then then what if you have like a full-time job,
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  Speaker 2: you have to
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  Speaker 2: juggle.
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  Speaker 1: We got, we got one master to guide us. So
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  Speaker 1: our our master will ask us to promise to the god.
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  Speaker 1: So as you are, when you, you are a donkey,
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  Speaker 1: you help.
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  Speaker 1: No, you cannot talk about money. Yes, this is the
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  Speaker 1: first thing you help people is with your heart. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: use by heart. We don't talk about money. Yeah. So
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  Speaker 1: if people want to donate anything to a temple, this
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  Speaker 1: is from their heart, lah. You cannot talk about, oh,
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  Speaker 1: I want this, I want that, definitely.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. So this is from what I understand from my
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  Speaker 2: friends who, who, who volunteer at the temples and, and
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  Speaker 2: help the donkeys, right.
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  Speaker 2: The gods will ask you not to take money like that.
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  Speaker 2: It's not a transactional thing. It's there to help. It's charity, essentially.
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  Speaker 2: Then whatever you give right as like a devotee is
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  Speaker 2: up to you. They will not ask you for your
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  Speaker 2: amount and you won't sell gift. And but the gods.
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  Speaker 2: will also promise to you that you will not lead a,
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  Speaker 2: like a, you won't be poor, but you won't be
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  Speaker 2: super rich. You'll just be normal, yeah, because you're serving
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  Speaker 2: under the gods, just normal life, normal
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  Speaker 2: life.
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  Speaker 1: Breakfast, as I think lah, my God always tell me,
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  Speaker 1: I won't give you poor life. Your work, everything will
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  Speaker 1: be smooth, uh, your, your, you got a home to stay,
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  Speaker 1: you've got a child, a wife, or every, everything you have,
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  Speaker 1: but not very rich life. Yeah, so I cannot be,
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  Speaker 1: see my boss to wait for me every day, you
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  Speaker 1: give me strike 40 lah, this, no, definitely no. We
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  Speaker 1: have to work ourselves, we still have to work because
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  Speaker 1: we are human. Once we are not on the pants,
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  Speaker 1: as my master say, we are not on the pants,
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  Speaker 1: we are not on the chair.
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  Speaker 1: You are human. Once you're on the pants and you
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  Speaker 1: sit on the chair,
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  Speaker 1: you
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  Speaker 2: are the donkey.
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  Speaker 2: Normally, OK,
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  Speaker 1: let's say they come and ask, right? So when I'm, I'm,
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  Speaker 1: I'm possessed by the god or my boss, OK, so
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, we, we got our temple members. So
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  Speaker 1: normally I told them first before I, I've been possessed
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  Speaker 1: by my boss, I told them, OK, this ang Pao,
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  Speaker 1: if people ang Pao come or give money, please don't accept.
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  Speaker 1: If they really insist want to give, ask them to
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  Speaker 1: tong into the, we got one donation box put inside.
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  Speaker 1: Normally come and ask Ty one, OK, this is not
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  Speaker 1: offended lah, poor people sickness.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, normally it's like this, that's why they come and
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  Speaker 1: ask God for help. Yeah, so let's say people strike, OK,
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  Speaker 1: help me, you give me a strike, I give you
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  Speaker 1: what money, about this is, no, we can help, we help,
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  Speaker 1: but not, let's say I give you 40, sometimes not
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  Speaker 1: helping you, maybe you, you get rich, you go gamble, right?
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  Speaker 1: You do other things, yeah. Then we also involve because
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  Speaker 1: we are the representative to help you, help the God
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  Speaker 1: to help you,
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  Speaker 2: yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, really, I really never thought that the commit the
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  Speaker 2: commitment or like the responsibilities is that weighted, you know,
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  Speaker 2: it's like very heavy, you know. Actually, that brings me
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  Speaker 2: to another question I wanted to ask. You know, you
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  Speaker 2: talked about how difficult your life is as a tae.
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  Speaker 2: When you first were called to become a tangy, how
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  Speaker 2: did you feel?
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  Speaker 1: Definitely. I'm scared lah, yeah, yeah, because we, I'm scared
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  Speaker 1: that I cannot commit commit this thing to the God,
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  Speaker 1: so I'm scared if anything I feel, what will happen
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  Speaker 1: to me. And in the future, I have a wife,
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  Speaker 1: I have my kids, all these, yeah. So definitely.
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  Speaker 1: It's not easy lah, it's not easy, yeah, it's not easy.
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  Speaker 1: We have to sacrifice our time because we have to work,
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  Speaker 1: as I'm working as a funeral director, so my time
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  Speaker 1: is not very flex flexible and sometimes 24 hours working.
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  Speaker 1: So we have to make it every week for me,
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  Speaker 1: every week, uh, about 3 to 4 hours' time, let's
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  Speaker 1: say my temple, OK, for me it's every Friday, 9 p.m.
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  Speaker 1: I have to go to my temple.
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  Speaker 1: And sit on the chair to invite my boss to
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  Speaker 1: come down. This is our commitment. Our commitment is not
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  Speaker 1: like being a tangy, ah. I want to suka suka.
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  Speaker 1: I want to jump down. I jump. I don't jump.
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  Speaker 1: I don't. No, definitely cannot.
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  Speaker 2: Is there any that you can do?
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  Speaker 1: What we cannot do, ah, OK, like we, if I
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  Speaker 1: got a wife, OK, let's say tomorrow I'm having, I need,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I have tomorrow I have to invite my
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  Speaker 1: boss to tangi, help people every Friday. So Thursday.
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  Speaker 1: Wednesday?
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  Speaker 1: Tuesday, back, backwards 3 days, these 3 days, I cannot.
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  Speaker 1: Like, do anything with my wife. So tang. We cannot,
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  Speaker 1: we have to be clean, as we say. I have
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  Speaker 1: to be clean.
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  Speaker 2: Yes,
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  Speaker 1: so it's our mindset and our heart.
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  Speaker 2: So how many years have you been a tangy? 1313 years.
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  Speaker 1: It's not very long.
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  Speaker 2: Can I
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  Speaker 2: ask, right, uh, Qiang, is, are you sensitive, uh, like
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  Speaker 2: by nature in terms of the spirit world, can you,
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  Speaker 2: can you see
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  Speaker 2: that kind of thing?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, sensitive, yes.
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  Speaker 1: When I'm, before I'm donkey and after donkey, I feel different.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like, yeah, like always I say when we
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  Speaker 1: go to haunted place, right, we say in in that
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  Speaker 1: means this place is quite haunted, yeah, so I can
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  Speaker 1: feel this, it's not very right, that means something is
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  Speaker 1: inside
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  Speaker 2: goosebumps.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I wouldn't really see into something.
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  Speaker 1: But sometimes, ah, it depends, ah, like what we say,
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  Speaker 1: it depends on our luck. When our luck is high, right,
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  Speaker 1: we won't see anything, but you can feel, but if
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  Speaker 1: our luck is low, definitely you can see. So
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  Speaker 2: according
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  Speaker 1: to
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  Speaker 2: a paper quote, gods possess mediums in order to be
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  Speaker 2: able to deal directly with devotees. The tanki is a
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  Speaker 2: vessel for the gods caught and put into service, end quote.
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  Speaker 2: Some of the things that deities do for their devotees
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  Speaker 2: include curing illnesses by driving out disease-causing demons and bringing
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  Speaker 2: good fortune by defeating the spirits of misfortune. Tang, what
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  Speaker 2: are some of the things that the deities you serve
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  Speaker 2: have been asked for by the devotees?
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  Speaker 1: Possessed by ghosts.
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  Speaker 1: Being possessed by ghosts. OK, some sickness like cancer as well,
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  Speaker 1: how are we going to cure them.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so normally my boss, ah, OK, that means the
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  Speaker 1: San Yepo, every Friday, OK, he has to serve. We,
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  Speaker 1: I have to serve him to help. So every Friday
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  Speaker 1: they may be, let's say patient, we call it patient,
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  Speaker 1: they come and ask, the devotees come and ask, OK,
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  Speaker 1: some devotees will be, they have sickness. This one is
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  Speaker 1: very old traditional auntie uncle. They are like this, a
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  Speaker 1: bit of sick, they come and ask you, sorry, I
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  Speaker 1: got a headache, but don't know why headache.
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  Speaker 1: 23 days, they don't want to see a doctor, but
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  Speaker 1: they come and find the God, yeah, but the first thing,
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  Speaker 1: you go and see a doctor first. If you go
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  Speaker 1: and see a doctor, doctor, medicine or whatever cannot cure you,
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  Speaker 1: then you come.
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  Speaker 2: I remember like during,
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  Speaker 1: towards
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  Speaker 2: the
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  Speaker 1: end
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  Speaker 2: of my grandmother's
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  Speaker 1: life,
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  Speaker 2: right, then she, I think
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  Speaker 1: she
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  Speaker 2: started seeing stuff at home, because when you are closer
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  Speaker 2: to the end of your life, you will start seeing old, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: old friends, relatives that are no longer around, so she's scared.
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  Speaker 2: So then I, uh, then we brought her to go
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  Speaker 2: and see one to Ape, which is the, uh, black
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  Speaker 2: and white impermanence, one of, one of them lah, and, uh, she,
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  Speaker 2: she told us, she asked us, so, uh, why I,
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  Speaker 2: I feel very sick, then why, why am I feeling
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  Speaker 2: this way? Is there a cure? Uh, I'm seeing all
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  Speaker 2: these things. Then he basically just told her, Auntie, you,
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  Speaker 2: you just
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  Speaker 2: Eat whatever you want. Just enjoy life. That's it. If
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  Speaker 2: they cannot say too much. That's it. They try to
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  Speaker 2: be as vague as possible, but try to tell us.
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  Speaker 2: They cannot reveal the secrets. They are bound by laws.
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  Speaker 2: They cannot reveal secrets, but, but they know lah. I'm
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  Speaker 2: sure they know. We also know them, but you know,
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  Speaker 2: sometimes old people, they just need that reassurance.
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  Speaker 1: It's a hint. It's a hint. It's a hint to devotees,
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  Speaker 1: so they can't say.
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  Speaker 1: Too much. Yeah, they cannot say the actual answer, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: like what we say. Cannot pour the tints.
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  Speaker 2: It's true, right? It's true, it's true. So, uh, Tang,
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  Speaker 2: do you have any ghost stories for us?
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  Speaker 1: I, I met before in this year, I say this
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  Speaker 1: year first, OK, it's not in Singapore. I met in
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  Speaker 1: Bangkok this year in about March, April, this is very scary, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I went to Bangkok with my wife and with two
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  Speaker 1: persons only in the hotel. First day, OK, nothing. The
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  Speaker 1: second day only in the hotel, I think about midnight time.
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  Speaker 1: TV is on. OK, so normally I in hotel, right,
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  Speaker 1: I watch the TV until I like tired already wanna
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  Speaker 1: sleep lah. So my wife sleeps, so I, I like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: wake up late. I cannot sleep, wake up late. She
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  Speaker 1: never answer lah. So I wear pantang in this normally we,
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  Speaker 1: we Chinese say lah, we sleep, we don't face on mirror.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, so you wait here, so a bit
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  Speaker 1: is like more to the left a bit, but still facing, OK,
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  Speaker 1: I want to find something to hang on it to
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  Speaker 1: cover but I cannot find anything, so it's OK, never mind.
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  Speaker 1: First day nothing, so I just leave it lah, lah.
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  Speaker 1: Second day night only in the midnight, my wife sleep,
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  Speaker 1: then I feel very tired. Suddenly I feel ah.
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  Speaker 1: The goosebump come, goosebumps come. I feel someone sitting in
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  Speaker 1: front of me. OK, ah, I haven't opened my eyes yet,
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  Speaker 1: so I open one eye and see lah. I thought
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  Speaker 1: my wife walking in front of me or anything. I
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: see exactly the same size and hair, long hair, like
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: my wife, the figure sitting in front of the mirror,
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: you know, in the midnight.
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: Combing like, oh my God, this is my.
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: Like, like I said, I never met this before. Definitely
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: I see it.
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: It's, it's not blur. It's clear, but I never see
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: the face. Maybe I'm not very sway lah that day.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: That's why I never see the face la. Uh, in,
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: in we we always say lah, we will say very sway,
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: then you will see very clear, but I never, I
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: never see before lah. I hope I don't see also, yeah.
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: How I conform is not my wife because I see already.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: Then I thought it's my, I still turn around. My
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: wife is beside me sleeping. Yeah. Then my TV is
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: still on, OK. Then the mirror light is still on, so.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: I don't know what thing bring give me the, the, the, the,
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: the courage to walk over. I walk over to there
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: and I say, you don't make me, ah, I, my
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: eyes like half closed, ah, I hope you don't come
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: and meet me, you know, I never disturb you. I
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: never harm you, you don't make me. I go and
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: switch off the light and the TV and go back
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: to sleep. I, not, not say wetkey, we're not scared
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: ghosts Ty also human, we haven't process that we are human,
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: this one is normal, natural, yeah, so in this whole trip.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: I didn't tell my wife yet until he went back
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: to the, when we're going back to the airport, then
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: I tell my wife, did you see anything? No, then
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: I tell him, I tell her, I said, why don't
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: you tell me if I tell you on the day
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: you think you change the room, you ask, you ask
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: me to change the room.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: Then when you, when you went ghost to turn off
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: the lights and everything, the ghost reacted
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: why
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: don't
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: know
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but the, the, the next moment.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: I go back to my bed, right, I, I, I
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: still see the, the ghost sitting there, so I slowly
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: come off my blanket. OK, I want to sleep. I
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: don't disturb you, but I cannot sleep. I cannot sleep.
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah,
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: combing all night, whole night, because the whole night I,
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: I cannot sleep, so I feel something there about nearly
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: morning nearly so about 4 plus she she go off.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: Maybe she think I can help her or something, we
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: don't know lah. Maybe she can sense I'm a tankey
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: or anything, so she want to come and ask for help.
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: Normally if I met all these things, I will say, uh,
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: you go and find my boss, whether he can help you,
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: where's the address, you go to the temple, you go
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: and find him. You don't come and find me. What
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: I can do, I do for you, yeah.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: As we say lah, some ghosts, they, they are not
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: harming people, want to just disturb lah, disturb disturb,
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: yeah,
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: but they are not harming anyone.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that one with me, ah, I don't know in
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: my life
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: I see so
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: you go and like
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: Use your power to
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: get her. Or some people also ask me why you
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: don't go and like my wife asked me, why you
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: go and do something, then ask her to go away
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: or harm her. No lah. What I think as a tankey,
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: we got the privilege.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: Let's say, not called power lah because some skill, we
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: know what to do, but we cannot harm them also
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: because they are not harming anyone unless the ghost go
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: and harm someone like want to go up to the floor,
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: they don't want to jump down or suicide or anything,
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: then we can do something to help.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: You said there's some skill. Does that mean that y'all
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: y'all can communicate with the ghost or what, what
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: kind of
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: Uh, a guy, you hurt this ghost or something in
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: in last time you killed her or anything, ah, so
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: this ghost come back and harm harm him, whatever, what
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: he wants, but he cannot see the ghost.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so we, we can help. So, let me know
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: what this guy did to you, what we can help you,
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: what you want from him.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: We try to help you. Or maybe you want some
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: chanting to to to go, go, go to, yeah, the
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: underworld and after that you reborn, rebirth again, yeah, because
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: some
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: Like we say, ghosts, ah, the, the wonder spirit, they
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: won't some, they cannot go to rebirth, la, so they
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: have to, we say qikong the as in they have
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: to let people pray them, help them, and some chanting
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: to them and let them.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: Rebirth.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: If you are a tangy, right, do you go through
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: some sort of training, like, for example, like, or, or
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: is it like you are mainly just a vessel and
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: then like
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: Your boss.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: OK, we, we say boss. We have to learn. I'm OK, I'm,
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: I have to learn some basic, basic la we can
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: help people and we help, very basic. We have to meditate.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: Uh, meditate to, to get closer to our boss than in,
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: in meditating, right, like sleeping like sleeping, but we are
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: sitting down, meditating, then we can, our boss will come
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: and bring us and talk to us and show guide
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: us what to do, what you should
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: learn.spective
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: that
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: Uh, actually, a lot of people don't see because we
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: always see in media like Mr. Vampire Chaiana and then
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: they just whack the ghost but they actually show mercy
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: on they cannot,
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: yeah, but you see, not every ghost come here and harm. They,
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: they confirm got a reason. Yeah, if they want to
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: harm you, they confirm got a reason.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: What's the
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: difference between master?
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: And
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: Taoist, uh, master, they only can represent God, uh, not
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: really tangi lah. They never media, they never process. They
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: just have to do chanting, helping those devotees. OK, we
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: pray for the God and let them know. Yeah, so
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: they are, they are Taoist. Once they on their rope,
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: the rope, yeah, the thing, right, the mas the Taoist
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: 11 day is chanting the other master. So they represent deportees.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: And even tangi or human or whatever to like pray
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: good things to the god, let them know, yeah. So
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: Tang Tangi and Taoist master is different. Taoist master is processed,
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: we represent the god.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: Understand. So like, is there like a certain hierarchy like
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: which one
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: is
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: I'm tangy, right? As you are the Taoist master. So
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: definitely I'm human now. I haven't thank him. You are
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: higher than me. Yeah. Once I'm tankey different god is
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: definitely the god will be lah. So but we, we,
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: we are different. It's different, OK, uh, tangy will dotkey thing.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: Master towers master will do,
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: but it's a complimentary actually. I've need each other, work together,
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: work together, work together. So what I, I, I've seen,
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: I share what I've experienced, uh, uh, over this past
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: Hungry Ghost month, right? I actually started working on a
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: new project which is to do with Chinese culture. Part
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: of it is Hungry Ghost Mon. So we went to.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: The Chinese cemetery to shoot some stuff and they, they had,
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: they had a girl tie there so they had a
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: girl tie then they were like, you know, performing la
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: for the spirits essentially but uh there it was quite
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: interesting because they had a they have a few donkeys
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: on site and they were already possessed by the, the
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: gods and in this case it's the black and white
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: impermanence the wadiiae.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: So they're sitting there. I think they were there to
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: guard la, to guard and to bless, and there was
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: a certain time slot that you can ask them for
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: questions about your life. And on site also had a
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: Taoist master and very funny because I met the Taoist
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: master before and I know he, he helped us for season, no,
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: he was on season 3, when Master Jason was not available.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: He was doing the
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: Uh, basically the prayers to invite the spirits to take
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: the blessings, take the blessings and take the offerings, the
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: one he was doing. I guess he was kind of
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: like the messenger while the, the donkeys were were there
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: to do other things. Yeah, so.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: I think it was quite nice to see them like,
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: you know, work together like that, different, I would say
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: like different departments, but complimentary of each other. Yeah. So
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: these are big events at least you will see both, uh,
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: and I actually have a ghost story, that one that
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: was quite creepy actually. So, you know.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: Choa Chu Kang Cemetery, very big cemetery. So they were
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: at a corner of the, uh, cemetery where it's like
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: the newer part. And now because they exhume the older site,
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: this is the newer site, so you have to come
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: in from the other side. And uh we were parking
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: our car at the stage is like this road, right,
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: and it's like here. So we parked here and uh
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: on the right side, a lot of forest, and there
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: was a toilet. It was a porta potty.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: Right, someone, our, our one of our crew was parking
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: the car, so I was like, OK, I might as
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: well go to the toilet. The moment I walked to
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: the toilet, I was like, Wow, I feel like she
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: confirmed a lot. Yeah, I just never mind, faster, faster, faster, faster. Do,
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: do finish and leave.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: Then as I left, I was walking away.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: I saw like there were other people they were gathering
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: trying to to go to the toilet. Then I saw
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: this woman. She was like, I think she was alone outside.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: I think the boyfriend went inside, so she waited for
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: the boyfriend alone, so I didn't think much. Then that
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: it came the part where you can ask the todia
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: pay like for advice. So then I saw like the
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: same woman. She suddenly sit there. Then she's like, there's
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: some of the people that encourage her, just tell, just tell,
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: just tell. Like she'll be Pisy to tell.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: So you go and tell then, you know, like the
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: people are very friendly. So the uncle come and, you know,
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: ask us, oh, what we're doing what we're filming, then
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: he started telling us, so you see that that lady, right? Yeah,
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: she saw something dirty just now at the toilet there.
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, then she's like, oh, because she's of Thai descent,
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: so she, she, she, she's more sensitive to the spirits. Uh,
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: so she saw like a female spirit just right next
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: to the toilet at the trees. Then she got a
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: bit scared. The donkey, he, because todia they have the fat, uh,
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: the fan, and the fan is usually a bit like
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: feather on it. Then he put on her, and she was,
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: he was chanting something.
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: Then the temple helper was like, ask people to stay
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: away from that area when they were chanting, I think
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: I was trying to expel something out of her because
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: I think the spirit latched onto her.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I was like, oh, her gut was down
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: because she was scared, right? I think it's also because
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: she's sensitive. I think sensitive plays a matter and maybe
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: that day her luck not so good lah, and just
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: like see the thing and she was alone. I got
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: two questions for you. One not serious at all, one serious, OK.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: The not serious one was when you rush out of
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: the toilet, you wash your.
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: Of course, of course, very important, but not serious, of course.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: The second most serious question when you said that they
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: ask people to clear when because they wanted to expel the,
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: the spirit, is that because they're scared that the spirit
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: will latch on to somebody else? Yes,
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: remind me. Do you believe Pontana?
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah,
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: OK, OK,
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: I, I believe, ah, OK, when, when I'm young, right,
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: in my childhood time, OK, we, we, we mix with
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: some temples when I'm still young. I'm still about secondary school, yeah,
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: secondary school time, about, yeah, about 12 to 13 years
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: old time. So got one Malays uncle, we, we sit
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: at a coffee shop below behind then Gowan tree, it's
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: a banana tree. Let, let's say banana tree, but small,
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: but got banana come already.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: So this pondana is staying inside this tree. So one
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: uncle suddenly he drink, ah, if you say he drunk,
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: he acting or what blah blah, but it's definitely not lah,
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: can see he drink already, but he's not drunk. Suddenly
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: he fall.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: Someone go and ask, you know, the, his uncle, you know,
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: the sound come out, it's a girl voice, yeah, this
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: one I met with my own eyes and I see.
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: The Fontana shock, you know. Then I think got one uncle, uh,
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: I have a neighborhood lah, we know he's also a donkey,
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: so he haven't processed. He's a donkey. He go and
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: push her, pin her down, pin the uncle down, ask
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: her what you want.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: No, like he's talking to the, the, the Pontana and
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: then another uncle is also Chinese, I think he knows
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: some Malay language. He talked to the Pontana. I was
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: like lost lah. I'm still young. I don't know what
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: they're talking la. So what I heard is the, the
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: uncle go and do something on the tree, so this
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: Ponana want to harm him.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: I don't know,
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: disrespect
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: scary man, it's scary, the voice of the voice, but
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: after that, the uncle, right, who I think few days later,
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: the uncle, the key processing he came down, they do
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: the full, you know, the, the char on the tree lah, yeah,
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: basically they
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: want to get rid of it, yes, they want to
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: get rid of it.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, after
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: that,
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: no more like this no more, no, we don't see
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: the tree is still there.
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: The tree is. Even if you're unfamiliar with donkeys, you
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: probably know about the gory parts of their possession. One
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: of the most infamous ones is that they actually cut
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: their bodies with swords or other weapons. The reason for
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: this is that the aggressive spirits live in the weapons,
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: so that when the tangy is cut.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: The deity becomes supercharged by those spirits. Tang, when you
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: are possessed by these deities, right, are you actually conscious
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: of what is happening?
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: We don't know what our boss is doing.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: So when you possessed,
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: how does it feel?
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: It feels like when we're inviting our boss, you can
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: see I'm yawning. Like I want to go to sleep.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: They will make us tired, feel sleepy. In a while,
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: I think, yeah, we go like go to la la
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: land sleeping. You don't know anything. Yeah, yeah, we can't
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: feel anything. If we can feel anything, I think.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: Definitely pain. ah we can cry. See, you can see
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: we piercing, uh, all this. Yes, after that, once we
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: are back, we feel the pain but not very pain
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: those that like you got cut all this it's just
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: like those healing pain, healing pain, pain in Taoist, ah,
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: we always say we got tangy, we got husi hustle
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: is like, uh, we can help people, you know, we
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: don't need to, we don't have to be, uh, tangy.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: You don't need to process by God all this. Then
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: another one is.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: Uh, Taoist master, that means the Saigong, yeah. Yes, so
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: when they, like I say the contract they have to
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: go pray, right? So when they pray, they have to
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: be the like let's say we say the biggest god
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: in the temple to give us this permission to help
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: the devotees. So we have to like, let's say like
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: our officer give us something, OK, this is your, your
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: thing to represent your god, it's all.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: Permission to help. So we have to accept these things.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: So when we this permission, right, we have to say, OK,
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: we have to always tell our God, say, OK, uh,
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: every Friday, I wear this temple, every what time to
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: what time we have to serve the God.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, to help the devotees, lah, not suka suka we
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: want jump jump we got donkeys every day. Got some
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: donkey every day they have to help the devotees. Yes, yes, yeah,
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: very tiring, yeah, yeah.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: So for yours it's every
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: Friday night Friday, yes, 9 p.m., but it's not easy,
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: very tiring, like I say like we are sleeping, but
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: it's different.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: So you're saying you wake up, you feel
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: the healing we're using, they are using our energy in
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: our body, so yeah, we are just like knockout sleeping
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: but they are still because one, we are one of
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: let's say yin-yang yin-yang is is
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: like different lah yeah so close to the spirit world,
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: we are sure that you've got other stories of the supernatural.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: Can you share with us some encounters you have had
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: with ghosts, demons, or entities?
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: OK, uh, once I helped a friend's sister la, OK,
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: processing like Friday, we say helping the devotees. So one
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: of my friends came and tell the god.
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: Uh, um, like my friend's sister got harmed by possessed
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: by this ghost, possessed by ghosts, but is it not
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: sure is it possessed by ghosts, but her action, doing
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: things is weird. So
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: The god say, OK, once later we here done, everything
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: is settled, let Chi Yang, that means me, go and
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: settle this case. So I bring some of my members,
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: we go to the house. So that girl really possessed
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: by ghost, yeah. So once before I, I reach the
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: place like.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: Different, a bit, then the wind, the aura, all this,
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: then once I go into the house, right, I saw her,
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: it was definitely differently, yeah, her eyes, so first thing
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: I would always see the eyes.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: The news, we will test them. As normal humans, we
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: press our
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: Our thumb, right, with pain, so we press her no
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: pain and I maybe she can dance or something lah
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: or acting, we don't know. I asked them to take
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: a chopstick, a pair of chopsticks, put on her finger
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: and I press. She totally no pain at all. OK,
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: so I talked to the, the, the ghost lah. I
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: talked to her.
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: She don't reply to me, keep shouting, she let go
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: of me. I asked my member, it's a girl. So
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: I asked two girls to hold on her, two girls
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: who can't even hold. Her family, I think 4 to
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: 5 girls all hold on her, they don't have her
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: strength is too strong. How I caught caught her, I,
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: I do something, I, I open some like uh food chum, OK.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: Burn to water, then I take some the, the year
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: the CR, you know, the lift, ah, yeah, the lift.
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: I go and do something on her. So I go
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: into her room. I just like less bless lah, bless
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: her room but I'm doing something, some chanting lah. So
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: I draw something on her mirror only, but not really
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: the mirror quite far from me, a distance, so I
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: draw something, bless only one my, my blessing finish. Then
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: normally we bless I do something on my leg, so
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: I
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: Like pump my leg.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: I saw some handmark on the mirror, straight come out.
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: It's not only I saw, even my temple people saw, say, hey,
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: why like this? OK, keep quiet. I said, I don't
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: say we go out to the girl, I do something
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: on her back. My wife is around, my wife is
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: holding her lah. So I do something on the back
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: only the straight the next moment, the girl warm it up,
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: some green, green, yellow thing. So maybe it's.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: To like, like we say, Gongtown black magic or something
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: by other people,
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: yeah,
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: the mirror inside the mirror.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: I got something inside the mirror around the house lah,
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: not only in the mirror. So just nice I blessed.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: I do on the mirror the hand pump come out
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: like to hide inside.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah,
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: that's why the, the Chinese really cannot accept the mirror
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: you sleep in front of the mirror. That one cannot
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: accept one. It's very bad for you, very bad. Sleep
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: beside also very bad for you.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: Don't say in front of the mirror in front of
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: your house door, door or your room door, the door.
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: You know why I let you know because this one,
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: I'm a female director, so I have to let this
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: one is OK to let you all know. You, you
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: see last time, right?
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: People die.
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: OK, in Chinese, they die, their coffin and the body
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: is inside the house facing the door. So if you
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: sleep this way, are you the dead person? Bang Pang,
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: they say bantangli or maybe something go and pull your
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: spirit out don't don't face the door. It's good.
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: It's very bad. I mean like a lot of the practitioners,
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: they will tell us like, you can believe but you cannot.
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: Really believe like everything is ghosts, gods, all these like
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: I think you still have to live your life, ma.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: Like for example, you know, people say, oh, this person
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: is suddenly very sorry but very suicidal or this one
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: confirmed cannot possess, but sometimes it's not.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: About Supernatural is about your mental health. So always prioritize
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: your mental health, guys, be nice to everyone. In the
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: comment section, be nice, you know. It doesn't, it doesn't
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: kill to be nice.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: This question is for everyone here and those watching at home.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: What is one thing you would ask a deity for
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: that wasn't for yourself? I know I always joke, right?
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: I always joke. I want 40, 40 total, but I never,
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: I've never asked a deity for it, and honestly, I
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: don't really go and ask deity if there's no immediate
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: spiritual danger to me, but if I were to ask,
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: I will ask.
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: Can make the world peace or not. I, I, no,
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: sometimes when I pray, right, I'm not a particular religious person,
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: but if I have affinity, I got fit with the deity,
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: I will ask, can you just make the world peace
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: and not so much suffering, but it seems like there's
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: a lot of suffering. That's all I ask.
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: Something that is very neutral. The thing is I thought
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: of that as well, right? You want world peace, you
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: want everybody to be good with each other, you know,
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: you want everybody to be good in the comment section,
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: but one thing, right, that made me realize, right, if
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: everyone is nice and everyone is good, right, then you
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: are not living in the world, you're living in heaven.
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: I mean, I, I know what you believe in. It's like,
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: it's like, and then there won't, right, yeah, there won't
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: be like you won't score points, you get what I mean?
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: Then if everyone is good, you don't know why it's evil.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: It's what you're saying is there's a balance in, in,
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: in life everything is a, you know.
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: bad and good, like yin and yang, black and white,
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: you know, so that's true. That's quite deep,
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: not everything is
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: perfect,
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: if everything is perfect, no devotees anymore,
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: correct.
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: So what would you ask? I'm much more selfish than
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: the two of you all. I will, for me it's simple. I,
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: and again this is not perfection. This is not complete tranquility,
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: but I will ask.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: That the people I love.
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: Uh, remain healthy and happy. That's all I ask. And
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: that doesn't mean that there will be no sadness, but overall,
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: you look at your whole life, you can look back
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: and go like, I led a healthy, happy life. I'm
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: OK with
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: that.
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: If even though you are not healthy, you've got so
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: much money so no use lah. So we always ask
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: for a blessing, healthy, make the world peaceful, safely for us,
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: our family all have a good blessing or grow up well, healthy.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: That's all don't ask.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: For 4D or whatever, this one is our own la
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: it's our own luck not if let's say I go
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: and ask this God, you give me strike tonight give
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: me 4D. I have to pay a lot of thing
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: or what what. So what if he gives you right?
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: like I say maybe he gives right is.
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: It's sabo you lah yeah they still won't satisfy.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: Even you ask the rich person, they come and ask God.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: He's very rich, they still soon satisfy their life. Because
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: nobody thinks that money is enough for them.
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: True. I would say so.
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: In the world, but if you're not happy, so what's
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: the point? So this episode is almost over, but as always,
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: let's bring things to a close with our morbid fact
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: of the day. Carl? OK. In the 70s, right, a
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: German woman named Annalis Michelle went through the rite of exorcism,
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: which is, you know, to remove spirits or demons, but
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: 67 times.
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: She ended up dying from starvation. A Washington Post article
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: about her noted, quote, Though she had received treatment for epilepsy,
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: by this time at her own request, doctors were no
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: longer being consulted, end quote. Michelle's story served as the
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: inspiration for the movie, The Exorcism of Emily Rose. Wow,
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: 67 times Exorcism.
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: It's gala, that means the thing inside her is super
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: strong from what I remember, it's not even just one entity, it's, it's,
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: I guess 67.
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, plus that story you told us some more
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: after everything she like vomited out that like green yellow
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: kind of substance. Can you imagine you go through that
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: like +67 times, confirm your body, yeah, yeah,
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: I'd rather you rather you die better.
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah,
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: have you heard stories of that where the entity or
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: whatever it is that possessed somebody is too strong.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, definitely have some ghosts, their, their, their aura
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: is more stronger, so maybe the tangy, haven't processed. So
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: I don't think he can, if the aura is too strong, ah,
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: the tangy is not well trained, cannot say well-trained lah,
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: the skill not that level yet. Yeah, I think it's
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: very hard to, to, to fight, yeah.
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: Is there such thing like in, in Tao Tao, right,
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: is there like such thing as like the age of
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: the spirit or the age of the thing
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: or
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: the older the stronger? No, no, no, definitely no. OK,
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: how their aura, like the aura is strong or not
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: strong maybe that that the the ghost is being murdered
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: or like we, we always say the yin qi
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: vengeance venge,
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: yeah, it's too strong. You want to get revenge, yeah.
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: Then the color will change. Red Red is usually the
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: strongest under the life itself. Can you share a little
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: bit more about like your seven-month period because you mentioned that.
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: During alman you will do all this for Wandering Spirit.
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: He actually does it at Kampong Wat Hasan. He does
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: the prayer.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: The Saliman,
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: yeah, Jalan
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: Salim.
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah. A lot of, uh, donkeys will go there.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: We go there to invite the spirit and those wandering
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: spirits spirit over there to.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: Follow us, follow the the God lah, to go back
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: to our temple and get some blessing, the offering all
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: this for them, yeah. But we send them back, we
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: won't go there and send them back. Or why normally
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: we go to the seaside invite, as we believe, normally
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: they say in 7 months, the Hell Gate is coming
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: from the sea, opening from the seaside. That's why always
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: they say don't swim in 7 months.
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: One time we, I, I'm process with it lah, so
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: I don't know, but my temple member and devotees told
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: me lah, they following the, the, my boss, the god lah,
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: go went down to the sea. So start praying there
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: and offering some food because big sea is a sea,
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: so you throw some offering food, light one, they definitely
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: won't go down, right, they'll float. So once they go through, right,
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: they saw a hand came out from the sea to
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: pull down the food.
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is 2 years ago. Yeah, 2 years ago
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: back they say this is the first time, first time
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: because I know that when
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: you need to have helpers with you in the water
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: and
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: 2 to 3 helpers to go down with the, the,
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: the goat in case anything later the wave too big.
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: Alright.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: Thank you again Chi Yang for joining us. Thank you
• 45:41
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• 45:45
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