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10-22 H3: 12th Man Round Table · Chuck in the Morning

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Speaker 1: As part of our nonstop coverage of the NFL, this
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Speaker 1: is Chuck in the Morning's weekly visit with the 12th
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Speaker 1: Man Roundtable with Hugh Millen and Greg Bell. Brought to
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Speaker 1: you by the Evergreen Council on Problem Gambling. The 12th
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Speaker 1: Man Roundtable is on Sports Radio 93.3 KJR FM.
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Speaker 2: All right, great morning to you all.
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Speaker 3: It is Chuck in the Morning, Sports Radio 93.3 KJR FM.
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Speaker 3: It is a Thursday, it is 8 o'clock, and it
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Speaker 3: is time for us to start the roundtable here on
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Speaker 3: the radio program. As we get things going, and we
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Speaker 3: do have our experts, Greg Bell on the way, and.
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Speaker 2: Our QB1, Hugh Millen, as well.
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Speaker 3: As we get ready for Chiefs and Seahawks this Sunday night,
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Speaker 3: the national stage to ourselves against the undefeated Chiefs. But
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Speaker 3: the Seahawks coming in with a 3-3 record. And, of course,
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Speaker 3: the national conversation has been about nothing but Ken Walker.
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Speaker 3: It is Ken Walker Week. here at Sports Radio 93.3
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Speaker 3: KJR FM.
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Speaker 2: So let's get it started.
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Speaker 3: And Hugh, I normally start with Greg with some information,
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Speaker 3: but I'll start with you because this has been such
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Speaker 3: a dominant week discussing former Seahawks running back Ken Walker.
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Speaker 3: I don't know if anybody at our radio station was
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Speaker 3: more adamant about liking Ken Walker, trusting Ken Walker, and
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Speaker 3: disgusted at him leaving the Seattle Seahawks than what you were.
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Speaker 3: So as Ken Walker week arrives, what's your state.
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Speaker 2: Of mind right now?
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Speaker 4: Well, I would say as a fan, I'm frustrated. I
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Speaker 4: think that there was an option there. Look, Witherspoon and
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Speaker 4: JSN and even Leonard Williams, that's not even in the conversation.
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Speaker 4: But Rashid Shahid is. And however they want to say, well,
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Speaker 4: we're keeping that separate, they're not separate. Because they chose
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Speaker 4: to address Kenneth Walker with the first round of the draft,
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Speaker 4: replace him through the draft. They could have signed Kenneth Walker,
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Speaker 4: 25-year-old Kenneth Walker. and replaced Rasheed Shaheed with a draft
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Speaker 4: or through other means. So now you've got a guy
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Speaker 4: in Jadarian Price who I believe in his talent. I'm
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Speaker 4: concerned about his frame and the durability. But, you know,
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Speaker 4: you're looking at Seattle wants to run the wide zone.
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Speaker 4: Kenneth Walker this year has 38 attempts on wide zones.
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Speaker 4: for a 7.0 average on wide zone. Now, he has
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Speaker 4: taken those outside. The read is to see if you
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Speaker 4: hook the end. He has taken them outside on 10
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Speaker 4: of 38, which is about right. You're normally not going
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Speaker 4: to get it because you can't hook that guy. But
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Speaker 4: when he has gone outside, he's 6.9 yards per attempt.
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Speaker 4: When the play is directed inside between the tackles, he's 7.03.
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Speaker 4: Let's compare that to Emmanuel Wilson, who has 33 carries
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Speaker 4: on wide zone, 3.2 average. When he tries to go outside,
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Speaker 4: he's got a 2.1 average. Um, and everything else, 3.5,
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Speaker 4: by the way, Halani, when he tries to go outside
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Speaker 4: six times, six yards, one, 1.0 yards per attempt. So, um,
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Speaker 4: and by the way, Jadarian price, uh, he he's 4.6
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Speaker 4: on the wide zone, 8.6 when he takes it outside.
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Speaker 4: So he's got the juice to do it, but he's
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Speaker 4: not healthy. And so, um, I would just say right now, Greg,
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Speaker 4: we do not have Rasheed Shaheed really filling the number
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Speaker 4: two wide receiver role like he's paid to do. Haven't
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Speaker 4: seen anything electric in the return game. Well, I think
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Speaker 4: in the Bronco game, we started to see a little
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Speaker 4: bit of that. And by the end of the year, hopefully,
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Speaker 4: he'll have the kind of impact he did as a returner.
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Speaker 4: But right now, if you had to say the grade,
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Speaker 4: It's hard to come up with any other conclusion than
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Speaker 4: Seattle made a mistake on this.
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Speaker 2: Greg, your thoughts?
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Speaker 5: Yeah, they did.
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Speaker 6: It was consistent, however, with their value proposition of the positions,
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Speaker 6: and they've been consistent at running back to not pay
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Speaker 6: a second contract. You go back to the end of
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Speaker 6: the Marshawn Lynch regime, they drafted Chris Carson. Then they
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Speaker 6: drafted Kenneth Walker. The year after they drafted Kenneth Walker,
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Speaker 6: same round they drafted Zach Charbonnet. Kenneth Walker's contract ends,
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Speaker 6: they've drafted Ariane Price. They are consistent. John Schneider has
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Speaker 6: been consistent in not wanting to pay.
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Speaker 3: $ 14 million a year to the Kansas City shutout.
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Speaker 6: I'm told they didn't even make a serious offer. I mean,
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Speaker 6: Walker told me that four days before the Super Bowl
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Speaker 6: when I asked how he likes his job, Sherry. How
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Speaker 6: would you feel? I knew he was gone. I knew
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Speaker 6: he was gone in September when they were sharing the job.
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Speaker 6: And he was only getting 40 percent of the snaps
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Speaker 6: versus 45 for Charbonnet. And Charbonnet got 12 rushing touchdowns.
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Speaker 5: And Walker was running between the 20s. I knew he
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Speaker 5: was gone then.
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Speaker 6: And for him to have a job share for the
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Speaker 6: first time, Walker, to have the first time in his
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Speaker 6: career to have a job share in his contract year,
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Speaker 6: he said, OK, I'll go get mine somewhere else. They
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Speaker 6: were never going to give him the money that anyone,
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Speaker 6: Kansas City or anybody, was going to give him in
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Speaker 6: free agency.
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Speaker 5: They just weren't.
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Speaker 6: They decided that he had had three injury-filled seasons, and
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Speaker 6: the only way he could get through his fourth season
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Speaker 6: through all 17 games for the first time in his
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Speaker 6: career would be to be in a job share, to
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Speaker 6: put less than 50% of the snaps. He only had 47%
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Speaker 6: of the snaps last year. He's running 75% of the
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Speaker 6: plays for Kansas City right now. 47 to 75 is
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Speaker 6: the difference between usage. They just did a value proposition
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Speaker 6: of running back. It has backfired because the guy they
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Speaker 6: chose in the first round to take his place is
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Speaker 6: on injured reserve. I would not call Price a failure.
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Speaker 6: I would call him incomplete for sure. We've only seen
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Speaker 6: him in three games, and he was benched for.
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Speaker 5: Most of one of them.
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Speaker 6: But as Hugh mentions, right now, with Price on injured
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Speaker 6: reserve until next month, this is a mistake. I asked
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Speaker 6: Mike McDonald yesterday, do you have any second thoughts at
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Speaker 6: all about letting Walker walk? And he went into his–
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Speaker 6: I love Kenneth Walker. We had a great talks. We
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Speaker 6: had a great one-on-one talks. He talked about after the
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Speaker 6: Super Bowl, being in the van together the day after
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Speaker 6: the Super Bowl, driving from San Jose to the day
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Speaker 6: after MVP press conference in San Francisco. That ended up
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Speaker 6: being the last time they really– that Walker was a Seahawk.
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Speaker 5: And he knew it then. McDonald knew it then. Yeah.
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Speaker 5: It is separate.
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Speaker 6: I know it doesn't look like it's on the outside,
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Speaker 6: but the Rashid Shahid contract was coming no matter what
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Speaker 6: they did with Walker. They had cash and cap to
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Speaker 6: re-sign Walker and Shahid. They decided both in the return
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Speaker 6: game and eventually game-breaking wide receiver, they wanted to go
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Speaker 6: with Rashid Shahid. The market said it would be $ 17 million,
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Speaker 6: so that's what got him to stay, $ 17 million a year.
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Speaker 6: But I would not say it was as simple as, well,
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Speaker 6: they spent that money on Shahid instead. They had the
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Speaker 6: money to do both, and they chose to only do
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Speaker 6: one of them because of the position Walker plays and
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Speaker 6: his injury history. But for an offense that is predicated
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Speaker 6: on the run, that runs 50% of the time, that
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Speaker 6: needs play action, that needs a running game to keep
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Speaker 6: defenses honest against their quarterback who's turnover prone, this has
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Speaker 6: been a mistake so far.
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Speaker 4: Well, Greg, I'll give you that it was consistent with
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Speaker 4: what they did. And look, it's hard to question, I think,
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Speaker 4: John Schneider's the best in the business at what he does.
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Speaker 4: I think Mike McDonald's the best in the business at
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Speaker 4: what he does. I think the leadership couldn't be better
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Speaker 4: with the Seattle Seahawks. That's just my take as a
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Speaker 4: fan and as an analyst. But if we're going to
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Speaker 4: say that the Seahawks are inerrant, then I'm going to
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Speaker 4: push back on that. they make mistakes like everybody makes mistakes,
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Speaker 4: like Tom Brady through interception. They absolutely make mistakes. That's
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Speaker 4: because Price is not on the field. Yeah, but I'll
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Speaker 4: give you– look, I think that you're right. I think
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Speaker 4: that they were around $ 8 million a year. So when
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Speaker 4: you say that they didn't give a competitive offer, I
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Speaker 4: think you're right on that. I mean, I have reason
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Speaker 4: to believe it. I don't know it to be true, but–
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Speaker 4: That doesn't change the equation. I can give you that
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Speaker 4: that's consistent with what they always do, but then what
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Speaker 4: if they had Barry Sanders? Are you not going to
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Speaker 4: give him, just to give you an extreme, I'm not
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Speaker 4: saying Kenneth Walker is Barry Sanders, but Eric Dickerson.
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Speaker 6: I would submit that if they had Barry Sanders at
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Speaker 6: the end of his rookie contract, they wouldn't have resigned him.
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Speaker 5: Well, I am.
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Speaker 2: That would be shocking.
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Speaker 4: That would be shocking.
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Speaker 6: It would be, but you wouldn't know in year four
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Speaker 6: that Barry Sanders would become a Hall of Famer. Now,
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Speaker 6: there were definitely signs of that, and there were definitely
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Speaker 6: signs that Barry Sanders would be the best back Seattle
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Speaker 6: ever had, but I'm saying when they value proposition running backs,
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Speaker 6: they say we cannot afford to go chase down rabbit
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Speaker 6: holes of guys that are so injured at the sport's
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Speaker 6: most injured position.
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Speaker 5: The confluence of.
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Speaker 6: Walker exploding in Kansas City with all the playing time
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Speaker 6: he's getting, which is more than he ever got in
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Speaker 6: four years in Seattle, with Price getting injured, with the
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Speaker 6: Chiefs coming here undefeated and the Seahawks scuffling, make it
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Speaker 6: absolutely a mistake. But they would do it again. They
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Speaker 6: really would. And we can debate whether that's right or wrong.
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Speaker 6: I think that's wrong. But that won't change the fact
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Speaker 6: that they were going to do this no matter what,
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Speaker 6: and Walker knew he was gone in September.
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Speaker 4: Greg, you and I are not going to agree on this,
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Speaker 4: and it's fine. I respect your take. But I know
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Speaker 4: you want to divide the Rashid Shahid topic. I just
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Speaker 4: can't process that because there's a finite amount. The Seahawks
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Speaker 4: did want Rashid. Kenneth Walker because even at $ 8 million,
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Speaker 4: you want to take the lowest, $ 8 million, that's still
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Speaker 4: five times what they offered Emmanuel Wilson. So they wanted
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Speaker 4: Kenneth Walker. It's just they wanted Rasheed Shaheed more. That's
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Speaker 4: an offensive guy who touches the ball. If you want
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Speaker 4: to say they had the money, yes, they had the
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Speaker 4: money technically, but they're still budgeting themselves, right? Like how
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Speaker 4: they want to govern themselves. So if they govern themselves
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Speaker 4: to say, hey, here's our lid on Kenneth Walker, which
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Speaker 4: is five times more than Emmanuel Wilson, but is less
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Speaker 4: than half of Rashid Shahid. Like, I'm sorry. I just,
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Speaker 4: I view those absolutely as, as concurrent decisions. And, and
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Speaker 4: they made the decision with, uh, uh, you know, to,
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Speaker 4: to replace Kenneth Walker with the draft and to sign
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Speaker 4: Rashid Shaheed. They could have done it the other way.
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Speaker 4: They could have signed 25 year old Kenneth Walker. Now
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Speaker 4: you talk about consistency. You go back to Sean Alexander
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Speaker 4: at age 29, when they gave him the contract, that
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Speaker 4: was a bad decision. And of course that predated, uh, uh, uh, uh, Schneider,
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Speaker 4: but This is a 25-year-old Walker who I looked up
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Speaker 4: the attempts from Wake Forest, Michigan State, and Seahawks. He
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Speaker 4: had half the attempts that Sean Alexander had at Alabama
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Speaker 4: and Seattle. So those are two different things. A 25-year-old
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Speaker 4: Kenneth Walker, very easy to argue was worth signing. Certainly
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Speaker 4: it was for the Kansas City Chiefs. And as of
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Speaker 4: right now, week six. Clearly, that was the choice Seattle
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Speaker 4: should have made, given where they are.
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Speaker 6: The other thing we're discounting here, guys, is Walker didn't
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Speaker 6: want to come back.
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Speaker 5: And when he got into.
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Speaker 6: That job share with Charbonnet last year, in September he
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Speaker 6: was bristling about it. He was smart enough and polite
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Speaker 6: enough to not say anything, per his nature. But he
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Speaker 6: convinced me well before the Super Bowl that he wasn't
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Speaker 6: coming back, even if they had backed the Brinks truck
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Speaker 6: up to him. That he wanted somewhere that he would
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Speaker 6: be the number one. And Charbonnet was coming back this year. Now,
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Speaker 6: of course, nobody knew during the season that he would
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Speaker 6: be out for the first half of it because of
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Speaker 6: a knee reconstruction. But I think we're all assuming that
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Speaker 6: if they had just offered enough money, Walker was coming back.
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Speaker 5: And I don't think that's true.
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Speaker 6: I think he had made that decision during last season
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Speaker 6: that he wanted to go to an offense that would
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Speaker 6: feature him on all three downs and more than 47%
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Speaker 6: of the snaps.
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Speaker 4: Okay, so I'll give you that. Let's just give you that.
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Speaker 4: That still goes back to the decisions about Walker, about
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Speaker 4: who he was, how often they were going to give
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Speaker 4: him the ball. Why did he not want to sign
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Speaker 4: with Seattle? Did he not like the players?
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Speaker 2: Did he not like Seattle?
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Speaker 4: No, he didn't like the fact that he was in
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Speaker 4: a job service contract. So if there is an argument
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Speaker 4: to be made today, based on the information we know today,
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Speaker 4: and if the argument is that Seattle made a mistake,
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Speaker 4: then it also is accompanied by a mistake in how
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Speaker 4: he was used. And, and heck Chuck, when, when Charbonnet,
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Speaker 4: their podcast is right there. When Charbonnet got hurt, my,
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Speaker 4: the first thing I said is, is look, this is
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Speaker 4: a first point. Number one, you feel sorry for Zach Charbonnet,
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Speaker 4: the human being because of what he's done. But, but
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Speaker 4: as it pertains to the Seattle Seahawks, if, This hurts
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Speaker 4: your debt. But if Kenneth Walker stays healthy, this is
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Speaker 4: going to be better for the Seattle Seahawks because Kenneth
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Speaker 4: Walker is going to get more carries. So so if
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Speaker 4: you're going to say that Seattle made a mistake today,
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Speaker 4: then you would also say that the reason they they
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Speaker 4: created that state of mind for Kenneth Walker is because
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Speaker 4: they they didn't use him to a level. Now, something
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Speaker 4: in between what Seattle did and what the Chiefs.
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Speaker 5: Are doing now.
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Speaker 4: You could say they're overusing him now, but there was
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Speaker 4: a way for Seattle to make Kenneth Walker happy by
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Speaker 4: his usage and what they offered him in the contract.
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Speaker 5: They did.
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Speaker 6: They decided in August last year that he couldn't get
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Speaker 6: through 17 games if they gave him 60, 70% of
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Speaker 6: the snaps. He had 67% of the snaps the year
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Speaker 6: before he didn't finish the season. He didn't finish any
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Speaker 6: of his first three seasons in Seattle. He had a
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Speaker 6: foot issue last related to his high ankle sprain that
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Speaker 6: ended his 2024 season through the summer of 2025. And
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Speaker 6: I remember sitting with John Schneider in the hotel in
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Speaker 6: Green Bay. I mean, Mike McDonald in the hotel in
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Speaker 6: Green Bay. And we were just talking about Walker, sort
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Speaker 6: of like we're talking now. No recorders out and no
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Speaker 6: notepads out. And he was concerned about 17. Can we
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Speaker 6: get Walker 17 games?
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Speaker 5: And we're going to have to govern him to do that.
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Speaker 6: And so they chose before the season even started for
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Speaker 6: this job share, and their answer was third downs, goal lines,
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Speaker 6: and goal-to-go situations, it was going to be Charbonnet in
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Speaker 6: the red zone.
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Speaker 5: Walker comes out.
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Speaker 6: Charbonnet gets 12 rushing touchdowns, the most since Marshawn Lynch
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Speaker 6: in 2014. Walker truds off to the sideline every time
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Speaker 6: he ran from 20 to 20, pissed off.
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Speaker 5: And then it ended up being that by the.
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Speaker 6: End of the regular season, Charbonnet had 48% of the
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Speaker 6: snaps and rebounds Walker had 45. The die had been
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Speaker 6: cast back in August that that was going to be
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Speaker 6: the Seahawks' way to get him through 17 games. It
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Speaker 6: helped the team because they had two running backs for
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Speaker 6: 17 games. But it didn't help Walker. And that's when
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Speaker 6: he decided he was gone. And then, for him, it
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Speaker 6: was fortuitous, you're right, that Charbonnet got hurt in the
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Speaker 6: divisional round because then it was Walker or Buss for
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Speaker 6: the rest of the season. And the whole world, 200
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Speaker 6: million people got to see him rushed for 135 yards
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Speaker 6: in the Super Bowl MVP in the biggest game of
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Speaker 6: them all. Then his value skyrocketed, and there was no
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Speaker 6: chance even if the Seahawks did have a second thought
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Speaker 6: about bringing him back that they were going to get
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Speaker 6: him because of his value and how it was.
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Speaker 5: Out of whack with what the Seahawks wanted to pay
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Speaker 5: at running back.
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Speaker 6: It was a confluence of things that decided that Walker
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Speaker 6: wasn't coming back.
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Speaker 4: And that's a good point.
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Speaker 6: All predicated on the Seahawks' value of the running back position.
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Speaker 6: They were never going to do it. They just weren't
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Speaker 6: ever going to do it.
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Speaker 5: Yeah. And it's a mistake now for sure, but they
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Speaker 5: weren't going to do it.
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Speaker 4: Well, that's an excellent point. The question would be, could
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Speaker 4: have they threaded the needle where they say, okay, can
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Speaker 4: we somewhat limit Kenneth Walker's touches, but in a way
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Speaker 4: that doesn't turn him off on that? Look, they gambled
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Speaker 4: this year in terms of until Charbonnet gets healthy, there's
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Speaker 4: that window where we absolutely need... The weeks that you
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Speaker 4: need Jadarian Price healthy were the weeks prior to Charbonnet
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Speaker 4: coming back. We don't know what Charbonnet is going to be,
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Speaker 4: but you knew that those were the most important weeks. Look,
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Speaker 4: it's ball, right? But you end up with a guy
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Speaker 4: on IR in the weeks that were most important to
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Speaker 4: not have him on IR.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and if John and Mike were on the roundtable...
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Speaker 3: And by the way, guys, you were invited... to join
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Speaker 3: us anytime, John, Mike, if you want to join us.
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Speaker 1: Yes, please do.
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Speaker 3: You're welcome anytime to join the 12th Man Roundtable here
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Speaker 3: on KJR.
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Speaker 2: Maybe we can get you a sponsorship.
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Speaker 3: But if they were on the Roundtable, I'm sure they
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Speaker 3: would say, hey, guys, guys, can we just see this through?
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Speaker 3: Can you do this to allow us to see this through? Hugh,
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Speaker 3: is there a place in your brain, considering how big
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Speaker 3: a fan you've been of Walker this entire process.
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Speaker 2: Where by the end of the year, Maybe the.
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Speaker 3: Increased carries have caught up to Walker. He can't finish
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Speaker 3: this season. Or maybe Charbonnet and Price, by year's end,
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Speaker 3: are a pretty good combination. Is there a place in
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Speaker 3: the world where maybe this doesn't.
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Speaker 2: End up being a mistake?
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Speaker 5: Absolutely.
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Speaker 4: That's why I tried to say twice, based on what
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Speaker 4: we know today. And Seattle presumably had, as I said,
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Speaker 4: threaded the needle somehow. Okay, limited his carries enough, but
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Speaker 4: not so much that he wanted out of here. They
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Speaker 4: could have kept something going like that that is a
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Speaker 4: little bit less than what we see his usage in
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Speaker 4: Kansas City. As I said, Judarian Price, heck, you guys
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Speaker 4: were at my– you and Anders were at the breakdown
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Speaker 4: on the X's and O's breakdown that I did. You
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Speaker 4: saw my enthusiasm. I showed videotape. of how Jadarian Price
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Speaker 4: is the only dude who can run the stretch, the
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Speaker 4: wide zone. Like when he sees that when the light
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Speaker 4: turns green and it's time to go, his burst as
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Speaker 4: reflected by the fact that he's 8.6 yards per attempt
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Speaker 4: when he chooses to take it to the width of
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Speaker 4: the outside zone, to take it to the sideline. Like
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Speaker 4: he's the only guy on the roster that can do that.
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Speaker 4: And so absolutely, if he can stay healthy, once he
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Speaker 4: comes back, I could see that playing out, and then
18:59
Speaker 4: a week or two from now, Kenneth Walker might break down,
19:04
Speaker 4: and then this could shift entirely. I'm only emphasizing, again,
19:09
Speaker 4: where we are today with Seattle 3-3, the Chiefs undefeated,
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Speaker 4: the 49ers undefeated, and are we losing ground in this window?
19:21
Speaker 4: Are we losing ground that we're not going to be
19:23
Speaker 4: able to make up? And then we lose ourselves a
19:27
Speaker 4: chance for the division.
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Speaker 5: That's the point, Chuck.
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Speaker 6: Hugh, the last point is exactly, yeah, they would say,
19:34
Speaker 6: let's see this through. Price has only had three games.
19:38
Speaker 6: But the division's probably already lost. They're already going to
19:41
Speaker 6: be on the road for the playoffs because of this decision.
19:44
Speaker 6: Because their offense has been subverted by the fact that
19:46
Speaker 6: they have running backs who can't fit the run scheme
19:48
Speaker 6: they have. They have a slow-plotting running back one, as
19:52
Speaker 6: Hughes mentioned many times, who's just not fast enough to
19:55
Speaker 6: get outside the hole. When we were in the Denver
19:57
Speaker 6: press box, the Seahawks staff sits behind the Seahawks writers
20:01
Speaker 6: every game in the road. The Seahawks staff were imploring.
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Speaker 5: Wilson to just be faster. The holes were there, and
20:10
Speaker 5: he's yelling, just faster, faster. I mean, I don't know
20:13
Speaker 5: how many times he said that to me. It was true.
20:17
Speaker 6: It was like they were watching the holes disappear before
20:19
Speaker 6: Wilson could get there. So in this gap that Hugh's
20:24
Speaker 6: talking about, they were trying to fill before Charbonnet got back,
20:26
Speaker 6: they lost the division. Now, they didn't expect San Francisco
20:29
Speaker 6: to go 6-0 and beat them in their home field.
20:33
Speaker 5: But now they're playing for a wild card.
20:34
Speaker 6: Unless San Francisco just absolutely disintegrates, they're playing for a
20:38
Speaker 6: wild card. Now, this might be the year to play
20:39
Speaker 6: for a wild card the way the NFC East and
20:41
Speaker 6: South are. In your road game in the first round,
20:43
Speaker 6: you can win. But you've got to go now three
20:45
Speaker 6: road games in some weather to go to the Super Bowl.
20:49
Speaker 6: That's what they lost by this choice of what they
20:51
Speaker 6: did at running back. It was a dice roll for
20:54
Speaker 6: Jadarian Price to be the number one pick to replace
20:56
Speaker 6: Kenneth Walker, the Super Bowl MVP.
20:58
Speaker 5: And it came up craps.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: So you can't get faster mid-play, is that it? They
21:02
Speaker 3: don't increase speed. It's like when I used to tell my.
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Speaker 2: Or.
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Speaker 5: With the imploring of... executives yeah.
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Speaker 3: Right yeah yeah exactly i used to tell my four
21:11
Speaker 3: foot 11 inch grandmother when she couldn't reach the good
21:13
Speaker 3: cookies on the top shelf i'd be like damn it
21:16
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21:19
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Speaker 3: for an entire hour to talk about the Seahawks, and
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Speaker 3: of course, this was Ken Walker week, so we spent
22:21
Speaker 3: the entire first segment on Ken Walker, but there are
22:23
Speaker 3: a lot of other.
22:25
Speaker 2: Interesting actors in this play on Sunday.
22:28
Speaker 3: We haven't even got to the quarterbacks yet, so let's
22:31
Speaker 3: do it, and let's go to Greg.
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Speaker 2: I mean, Greg, Sam Darnold, he could really use a
22:38
Speaker 2: running game.
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Speaker 3: I mean, he could use all the help he gets
22:40
Speaker 3: right now to fix his game at this stage, and
22:42
Speaker 3: so Are we going to see a better version of
22:45
Speaker 3: Sam Darnold than we've seen the last couple of weeks?
22:48
Speaker 6: Yeah, he could also use not throwing to the other team.
22:51
Speaker 6: He does need a running game to keep defenses on us.
22:54
Speaker 6: San Francisco, and to some respects Denver, their defense has
22:57
Speaker 6: just spat on the running game threat for Seattle. They
23:02
Speaker 6: stopped the run early, they created long third downs, and
23:05
Speaker 6: they teed off in pressure. The Broncos hit Darnold 17 times.
23:11
Speaker 6: They dropped back over 50 times. They're never going to
23:13
Speaker 6: win throwing over 40 times a game.
23:15
Speaker 5: They just aren't.
23:16
Speaker 6: Look at the numbers. When they throw that much, they lose.
23:20
Speaker 6: San Francisco didn't honor the run. They teed off in
23:23
Speaker 6: the pressure game and got five sacks of Darnold. Denver
23:26
Speaker 6: got five sacks of Darnold. Most quarterbacks, you will tell you,
23:30
Speaker 6: when they're pressured, they make mistakes. That's the name of
23:32
Speaker 6: the game in the NFL. Pressure the quarterback so he
23:35
Speaker 6: makes mistakes. And Darnold's made seven of them. Seven turnovers,
23:39
Speaker 6: seven interceptions in the last four games. The question for Seattle,
23:44
Speaker 6: to me, isn't who's going to start the next three
23:46
Speaker 6: or four.
23:46
Speaker 5: When's Drew Locke coming in?
23:49
Speaker 6: It's what does this start doing to their decision on
23:52
Speaker 6: Sam Darnold next year? Because before the 2027 season would
23:58
Speaker 6: be the time that they would give him an extension.
24:00
Speaker 6: And heading into the season coming off the Super Bowl,
24:02
Speaker 6: it's going to be a $ 50 million a year deal.
24:05
Speaker 5: No problem.
24:05
Speaker 6: He's going to be their quarterback into the 2030s until
24:08
Speaker 6: he's in his early to mid-30s.
24:11
Speaker 5: Here we go. He just won the Super Bowl at
24:13
Speaker 5: a parade. All's good. Well, now, which Sam Darnold is this?
24:17
Speaker 6: Is it the 2024 14-3 Vikings Sam Darnold with 4,500
24:22
Speaker 6: yards and 35 touchdowns? Is it the Sam Darnold in
24:26
Speaker 6: the last postseason who didn't turn the ball over at all?
24:29
Speaker 6: Or is it Sam Darnold who last season led the
24:31
Speaker 6: NFL in turnovers, who's leading the NFL in turnovers again
24:34
Speaker 6: this season, And was most of that for the Jets
24:38
Speaker 6: and then the Panthers before he was a backup for
24:40
Speaker 6: the 49ers. I mean, the evidence shows that he's had
24:45
Speaker 6: one and a half great years and about six bad ones.
24:49
Speaker 6: And nomadic ones in the league. So do you want
24:52
Speaker 6: to commit the money long term to your quarterback being
24:55
Speaker 6: that guy? I think they probably still do, but they
24:59
Speaker 6: may not be willing to go $ 50 million a year.
25:02
Speaker 6: And his market may have dropped with each passing interception.
25:06
Speaker 6: That's really the big play here. Locke's contract's ending. He's
25:10
Speaker 6: going to want to go get a big deal somewhere
25:11
Speaker 6: else to be a starter if a quarterback-needy team is
25:13
Speaker 6: willing because he's still in his 20s as well. What
25:17
Speaker 6: has this start done to the Seahawks' long-term plan of
25:20
Speaker 6: Sam Darnold beyond 2027? To me, that's the underlying issue,
25:25
Speaker 6: not to mention the fact they're 3-3.
25:29
Speaker 4: Well, he's still under contract for next year. So both
25:33
Speaker 4: parties might just say, hey, let's play out your third year.
25:38
Speaker 4: Darnold may have an interest in that. He'll raise his profile,
25:43
Speaker 4: the Seahawks. So I don't think that there's a sense
25:47
Speaker 4: of urgency to make that determination. I think right now,
25:54
Speaker 4: I think that the Seahawks... I don't think they're looking
25:58
Speaker 4: back at what he did for the Jets. I think
26:01
Speaker 4: that they might be looking at what they did for
26:03
Speaker 4: the Vikings and what he did for them last year.
26:06
Speaker 4: And last year, it was worth paying the tax of
26:11
Speaker 4: the turnovers because of the revenues you were getting, which
26:15
Speaker 4: was all the explosive plays, number one in yards per dropback.
26:18
Speaker 4: We've discussed that numerous times, right? So now you're not
26:22
Speaker 4: getting the revenues and the tax is going up. you
26:27
Speaker 4: were 0.75 interceptions per game last year. You're 1.75 this year.
26:31
Speaker 4: You're well more than double. So that's a problem. I
26:35
Speaker 4: would just say for this Sunday night, this is why
26:38
Speaker 4: it's tough to be an NFL quarterback because you go
26:43
Speaker 4: into this game and it would be nice for Sam
26:46
Speaker 4: Darnold on a Sunday night and national TV in front
26:49
Speaker 4: of everybody to just have a mindset. Hey, let's just go,
26:52
Speaker 4: let's go wing it. Let's attack. But, That would imply–
26:56
Speaker 4: and if he only had one or two interceptions on
26:58
Speaker 4: the year, he could do that. But given how he
27:01
Speaker 4: knows these interceptions are going to be magnified, it is
27:05
Speaker 4: absolutely going to be in his head, I would presume,
27:08
Speaker 4: like I can't turn the ball over. And then that
27:12
Speaker 4: momentary hesitation, the fractions of a second you have to
27:15
Speaker 4: make these decisions, he's still got to try and make
27:18
Speaker 4: some plays to beat a Chiefs defense that– is Seattle's
27:24
Speaker 4: number one in total EPA on defensive expected points added.
27:28
Speaker 4: Kansas City is third. Seattle's second in success. Kansas City's third.
27:34
Speaker 4: Missed tackle percentage. Seattle's 14th. The Chiefs are number one.
27:38
Speaker 4: They miss tackles on less than 7%. They're the best
27:42
Speaker 4: tackling team. Pressure percentage, they're sixth. There's all kinds of
27:46
Speaker 4: things about this defense that are a problem for Sam Darnold,
27:50
Speaker 4: and given where he's at, And the urgency, he's going
27:54
Speaker 4: to have to be tough mentally. But I don't think
27:57
Speaker 4: it's so much about the long-term contract. I think it's
28:01
Speaker 4: about fixing his problem right now.
28:04
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree.
28:06
Speaker 4: And there's all the difference in the world. How far
28:10
Speaker 4: can I spread my arms? The difference between losing and
28:12
Speaker 4: winning this game. You know, you win this game on Monday.
28:16
Speaker 4: You just beat an undefeated chief team. You're four and three.
28:19
Speaker 4: You feel like, hey, we can beat the Bears are
28:21
Speaker 4: coming in and then the schedule gets real light. All
28:23
Speaker 4: of a sudden you say, man, things are looking real
28:26
Speaker 4: sunny in Seattle. You lose this game and now it's OK.
28:30
Speaker 4: Is there a division with the defense? What have you?
28:33
Speaker 4: Are you thinking this is not our year? This feels
28:35
Speaker 4: more than one, like more than one game to me.
28:38
Speaker 3: Well, we're an hour and 37 minutes into our hour-long roundtable,
28:44
Speaker 3: and we have not mentioned the name Patrick Mahomes. So, Hugh,
28:47
Speaker 3: I come right back to you with, I mean, Ken
28:50
Speaker 3: Walker's become the story in Kansas City, and it's kind
28:53
Speaker 3: of left Patrick Mahomes as a side character, even though
28:57
Speaker 3: he looks really good. It looks like he's completely back,
29:00
Speaker 3: and the Chiefs are 5-0 in large part because of him.
29:03
Speaker 3: So what are you seeing from Patrick Mahomes? How dangerous
29:06
Speaker 3: is he again? I think he's exceedingly dangerous. I think
29:10
Speaker 3: you're talking about an obvious Hall of Famer even today.
29:13
Speaker 3: If something happened, he never played it down. He's in
29:15
Speaker 3: the Hall of Fame. Some people, I think he's got
29:20
Speaker 3: a long way to go to catch Tom Brady, a long, long,
29:23
Speaker 3: long way to go. But he's in the discussion in
29:26
Speaker 3: some people's minds for the greatest ever. And he has
29:30
Speaker 3: a very unique way of using what I think is
29:33
Speaker 3: just good but not elite athleticism. his ability to create
29:39
Speaker 3: and make guys miss. I mean, he only ran a
29:41
Speaker 3: 4.8 at the Combine, so he's never really been explosive,
29:47
Speaker 3: but he has this innate feel for creating plays off.
29:51
Speaker 5: Schedule.
29:52
Speaker 4: His ability to convert third and tens or more. I
29:56
Speaker 4: don't know that I've ever seen a quarterback where I
30:00
Speaker 4: don't want to bet against him on third and 10.
30:03
Speaker 4: And so now he's playing under center more because of
30:08
Speaker 4: how the wide zone and the other schemes that they run,
30:14
Speaker 4: it's just better to run from under center because of
30:17
Speaker 4: the angles, and you can go opposites on the wide zone,
30:21
Speaker 4: and depending on the front, and there's all kinds of
30:24
Speaker 4: things that help your running game. But he, at this
30:26
Speaker 4: stage in his career, feels good putting his back to
30:29
Speaker 4: the defense in play action. So, yeah, it's a lethal
30:35
Speaker 4: combination when you add Kenneth Walker in that running game
30:38
Speaker 4: and then you still have his, you know, elite, beyond elite,
30:44
Speaker 4: Hall of Fame-level credentials in the passing game, Greg.
30:48
Speaker 6: I talked to Sam McDowell yesterday, a friend of mine,
30:52
Speaker 6: the Kansas City star. He's covered the Chiefs for a
30:54
Speaker 6: long time through their Super Bowl runs. And he was
30:57
Speaker 6: talking about the reason of Patrick Mahomes. By the way,
30:59
Speaker 6: Mahomes came back at about the same timeline as Charbonnet.
31:02
Speaker 6: He got injured in mid-January and was back by end
31:05
Speaker 6: of July, beginning of August in training camp. And he
31:08
Speaker 6: thinks that the Kenneth Walker effect has really benefited Patrick Mahomes.
31:14
Speaker 6: You mentioned they are under center a ton more, and
31:17
Speaker 6: that's a big deal this week. Mike McDonald's defensive approach
31:20
Speaker 6: has changed within previous years when he played the Chiefs,
31:24
Speaker 6: when they did so much shotguns. They have gone from
31:26
Speaker 6: the second worst team in productivity of under center snaps
31:29
Speaker 6: to the best, the most productive because of Walker's running
31:33
Speaker 6: outside zone.
31:34
Speaker 5: So Mahomes is going to be under center a lot more.
31:37
Speaker 5: And he said that the Chiefs, Sam, my.
31:41
Speaker 6: Buddy in Kansas City, made the point, the Chiefs schedule
31:44
Speaker 6: to this point has been so soft that they've been
31:45
Speaker 6: playing from the front in every game.
31:47
Speaker 5: They played the Colts, the Chargers, the Raiders.
31:51
Speaker 6: They did beat the Broncos, but By and large, this
31:54
Speaker 6: is the toughest test so far Sunday night in Seattle.
31:57
Speaker 6: And he said they've been playing from the front, so
31:59
Speaker 6: Mahomes hasn't had must-pass situations where they have to pass protect.
32:05
Speaker 6: He's been always with a run threat. He thinks this
32:07
Speaker 6: game Sunday night will be the first big challenge for
32:10
Speaker 6: Mahomes post-knee surgery of a pass rush coming at him.
32:15
Speaker 6: And he thinks that the Seahawks are going to have
32:17
Speaker 6: a plan and be stout against Kenneth Walker in his
32:21
Speaker 6: outside zone. forcing Mahomes into situations that perhaps shotgun he
32:24
Speaker 6: hasn't been in all year. He has reinvented himself in
32:29
Speaker 6: a mini sense that he's not just a step back
32:32
Speaker 6: and wing it around the yard guy, but he's a
32:33
Speaker 6: drop back passer off a play action because of Walker's
32:37
Speaker 6: run game. He's still elite at making playground plays when
32:42
Speaker 6: everything else breaks down. And the Seahawks are really working
32:45
Speaker 6: on rush, pass rush, pass lane discipline, not giving him.
32:48
Speaker 5: Lanes to extend plays, all of that. It's a big
32:51
Speaker 5: part of Sunday night.
32:53
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny.
32:53
Speaker 3: You're facing Patrick Mahomes, and yet it feels like, in
32:56
Speaker 3: more ways than one, the big key, small picture, big picture,
33:00
Speaker 3: is stop the run. Contain the run to come out
33:05
Speaker 3: looking good if you're the Seahawks on Sunday night. All right,
33:08
Speaker 3: we're going to close things out with predictions, keys on
33:11
Speaker 3: the other side, and Hugh's final thoughts. It's our 12th
33:13
Speaker 3: man roundtable on Sports Radio 93.3 KJRFM. All right, final
33:29
Speaker 3: segment of the 12-man roundtable. Greg Bell, Hugh Millen with
33:32
Speaker 3: us as we get you set for.
33:33
Speaker 2: Seahawks Chiefs this Sunday night.
33:35
Speaker 3: 5-0 Kansas City Chiefs, Seahawks 3-3 on the season.
33:39
Speaker 2: The return of Ken Walker we've.
33:40
Speaker 3: Talked about quite a bit this hour, but we now
33:42
Speaker 3: get to that magical portion of the hour where we
33:45
Speaker 3: ask for keys and scores and huge final thoughts. Greg,
33:49
Speaker 3: we always start with you this segment. What do you
33:51
Speaker 3: got for Sunday night?
33:54
Speaker 5: Broken record time, but if they don't turn the ball over,
33:57
Speaker 5: they win. I think their defense stops Kenneth Walker.
34:00
Speaker 6: No team in the league knows him like Seattle does.
34:02
Speaker 6: No team in the league can defend him like Seattle does.
34:05
Speaker 6: And you can bet McDonald's going to have some runs-fit schemes,
34:09
Speaker 6: different fronts, different slants and stunts that Kansas City.
34:13
Speaker 5: And Andy Reid have not seen yet.
34:15
Speaker 6: I think Walker has his lowest output game of the season,
34:18
Speaker 6: and the Seahawks' defense controls the Kansas City offense. Can
34:23
Speaker 6: Darnold keep them, the Chiefs, from having short fields and
34:26
Speaker 6: easy points?
34:28
Speaker 5: I say yes. I think the Seahawks have their signature
34:31
Speaker 5: win of the season.
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Speaker 1: 23-20.
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Speaker 5: Thrilling game that.
34:36
Speaker 6: Comes down to the fact that Darnold doesn't turn it
34:38
Speaker 6: over and they have to have long field.
34:40
Speaker 2: Kind of like the sound of that.
34:41
Speaker 3: Yeah. Like the sound of that little synopsis. Anders, yours
34:44
Speaker 3: any different? The exact same? Are you just going to
34:46
Speaker 3: say ditto?
34:47
Speaker 5: Ditto.
34:47
Speaker 2: No, no. I mean, I'm with Greg.
34:50
Speaker 7: I do think that the Seahawks are kind of desperate
34:52
Speaker 7: for a signature win. And the Chiefs, as Greg mentioned earlier,
34:57
Speaker 7: haven't really played a ton of elite games.
35:00
Speaker 2: Or offenses yet, excuse me.
35:03
Speaker 7: I do think that that is a good kind of
35:05
Speaker 7: landing spot for Seattle, for Sam Donald to kind of
35:08
Speaker 7: get off the schneid a little bit. I think their
35:11
Speaker 7: running game actually picks up a decent amount, even if
35:14
Speaker 7: Zach Sharp and I only gets like five or six
35:15
Speaker 7: carries in the game. I don't know what their workload
35:18
Speaker 7: plan is for him, but I think it adds a
35:21
Speaker 7: different element. Just the threat of having him there is
35:23
Speaker 7: going to be big for this offense and then give
35:25
Speaker 7: Sam Donald that extra half second to with the threat
35:27
Speaker 7: of the play action. I do think he is much
35:30
Speaker 7: better with the turnover stuff this time, but still ends
35:33
Speaker 7: up throwing the ball down the field. I say a
35:35
Speaker 7: 24-17 Seahawks victory.
35:37
Speaker 4: Oh, wow.
35:38
Speaker 2: We got two wins on the board. Put it on
35:40
Speaker 2: the board. Yes.
35:42
Speaker 3: All right, Hugh, final thoughts from you on this edition
35:45
Speaker 3: of the 12th Man Roundtable. I mean, did we let
35:47
Speaker 3: Brian Flory off the hook this hour with so much
35:49
Speaker 3: Ken Walker talk?
35:50
Speaker 2: Should he have been discussed a little bit here today?
35:54
Speaker 3: Well.
35:55
Speaker 4: That's interesting for me personally. This is my 28th year
35:58
Speaker 4: on KJR. I feel that analyzing an offensive coordinator is
36:05
Speaker 4: the most difficult part of being, I'm asked to analyze
36:11
Speaker 4: every important part of the Huskies and the Seahawks, but
36:15
Speaker 4: I have to draw from 25 years of playing 24
36:19
Speaker 4: years of coaching, 28 years as an analyst, and those
36:23
Speaker 4: last were running concurrently.
36:24
Speaker 2: I'm not that old.
36:27
Speaker 4: So when I look at the tape, because you have
36:30
Speaker 4: to say, okay, how much is play calling? How much
36:32
Speaker 4: is setting up plays, picking your opportunities, getting the coverages
36:38
Speaker 4: you want? How do you direct the protections? I mean,
36:41
Speaker 4: that's just the beginning of the list. And there are
36:44
Speaker 4: things on that tape from my notes, you know, they're
36:48
Speaker 4: running power pass where you pull a guard in play
36:52
Speaker 4: action and they're not feeling that, that, that creates a
36:56
Speaker 4: big A and B gap away from the, the way
36:59
Speaker 4: the guard pulls. And they're not, they don't have the
37:02
Speaker 4: center covering for the protection. They there was a, what's
37:07
Speaker 4: called a three jet protection, just a basic six man
37:10
Speaker 4: protection where the line goes one way, the running back
37:12
Speaker 4: goes another. You got Helani in on the blitzing linebacker
37:16
Speaker 4: from depth. Why is Abe Lucas then turning loose the
37:20
Speaker 4: end to go block the linebacker who's Helani's responsibility? That
37:24
Speaker 4: is basic stuff. 12 personnel with two tight ends. The
37:29
Speaker 4: formation they get... They're bracketing both of the outside receivers,
37:33
Speaker 4: and they're going to play man concepts within a zone
37:38
Speaker 4: on the inside, guys, and yet we're blocking. There's a
37:43
Speaker 4: lot of plays where I'm going, okay, you just took
37:46
Speaker 4: the L, Brian Flory. On that play, you just took
37:49
Speaker 4: the L. And so I think that he's got to
37:52
Speaker 4: kind of get back to more of the basics. He's
37:54
Speaker 4: still trying to find himself as a first-time play caller. And,
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Speaker 4: you know, right now you've got Sam Darnold, The fifth
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Speaker 4: most pressured quarterback in the NFL, that's a factor. I
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Speaker 4: totally agree with Greg. 51 pass attempts, now it's 48
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Speaker 4: in regulation. Can't happen. So they've got to get the
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Speaker 4: tight end more involved. Shahid, there was a first opportunity
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Speaker 4: where Shahid was showing up when they rolled the coverage
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Speaker 4: to JSN. And they and they play quarters coverage to
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Speaker 4: that side on Shahid. He can split those double teams
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Speaker 4: on deep curls. So there's there's some there's some meat
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Speaker 4: on the bone available to him. I think he's got,
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Speaker 4: you know, now it's you're no longer a rookie, Brian Flory.
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Speaker 4: You're now you've got to be a veteran play caller
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Speaker 4: this this starting this Sunday night and get this team going.
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Speaker 4: You got to coordinate the offense. So I think it's
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Speaker 4: a fair question and a fair critique.
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Speaker 2: All right, gentlemen, awesome stuff. Thank you very much. Great
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Speaker 2: as always. We'll talk to you both tomorrow, and we'll
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Speaker 2: do this again next week. How's it sound?
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Speaker 4: Rock and roll.
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Speaker 5: All right.
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Speaker 2: There they are. Thank you.
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Speaker 6: All right.
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