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William Ramsey Investigates Psychic Agent: The Gate Program · Ryder Lee

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Speaker 1: Okay, we are live. Hi, this is William Ramsey. Welcome
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Speaker 1: to William Ramsey Investigates On today's show. I have a
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Speaker 1: very special guest or returning guest. His name is writer
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Speaker 1: Lee Lee. He's just published or released a new film.
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Speaker 1: Highly recommend. It's fantastic. I watched the whole thing today.
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Speaker 1: It's now our forty five minutes and very well worth
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Speaker 1: your time. I've never seen this covered in other places
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Speaker 1: in this kind of detail. If you're watching this on YouTube,
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Speaker 1: rumble x substack, you'll see one of the covers or
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Speaker 1: the one of the promotional posters which is Psychic Agent, the.
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Speaker 2: Gay program with a young kid.
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Speaker 1: And it's unnerving in a lot of ways because I
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Speaker 1: went through the public system and got tested and IQ
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Speaker 1: tested a very young age. I think I they gave
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Speaker 1: me an IQ test when I was in elementary school
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Speaker 1: before I went to seventh grade, and it kind of
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Speaker 1: overlaps with some of the stuff here. I don't remember
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Speaker 1: some of the the stuff that's in this film that
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Speaker 1: other people experience, But when I saw this, I was like, Oh,
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Speaker 1: I saw Candae. Someone's talking about this whole thing about
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Speaker 1: Gate program or special kids, and she's talking about Charlie
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Speaker 1: Kirk and then she shows up in this film, So writer,
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Speaker 1: it was keyed into that in this film. There's a
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Speaker 1: lot of research. This will be our fourth episode. We
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Speaker 1: did another episode on another documentary, I recommend Clockwork Shining
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Speaker 1: Kubrick's Odyssey three checked that out, and then also we
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Speaker 1: covered I think I do have been two or three
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Speaker 1: years ago when I titled Global Mind Control, Remote Assassin's
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Speaker 1: and MK Ultra, and then I was a guest on
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Speaker 1: his show talking about captures in the ride not Catcher
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Speaker 1: Catchers Hinkley and Chapman. Then after I interviewed him on that,
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Speaker 1: I interviewed Inkley John Hinkley about his book, and his
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Speaker 1: story in itself is really interesting kind of ties into this.
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Speaker 1: He had some kind of weird Peronuasian thing and a
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Speaker 1: weird doctor around her. It was Hopper, and there were
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Speaker 1: lawsuits and stuff like that around that, but kind of
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Speaker 1: loosely ties into the same theme of a dark persuasion
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Speaker 1: and influence. But it goes back into a lot of
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Speaker 1: stuff and there's a lot of great visuals and a
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Speaker 1: lot of first person interviews on this, but he can
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Speaker 1: talk more about that. So writer, Lee, welcome to the show.
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Speaker 3: Thanks so much for having me on. William really appreciate it.
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Speaker 3: I'm glad to be back and glad to talk about
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Speaker 3: this movie. It took me a long time to put
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Speaker 3: it all together, as you know, and how putting movies together,
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Speaker 3: how much time and effort and resources it takes to
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Speaker 3: really put something together like this. But I'm really proud
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Speaker 3: of it, and I hope people go and check it
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Speaker 3: out on Amazon Prime.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you should be. It's a great it's
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Speaker 1: a great, great documentary, a real documentary. He actually went
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Speaker 1: out and talked to a lot of people first person
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Speaker 1: right like, you're in their homes or somebody was is
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Speaker 1: that you holding the camera?
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Speaker 3: Yep, that's me and their homes.
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Speaker 1: So can you talk about your research and kind of
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Speaker 1: the steps you took to aggregate all that information that
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Speaker 1: went into Psychic Agent.
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Speaker 3: Well, it was really difficult, a lot of documents. It's
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Speaker 3: a very document heavy movie, and I think people that
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Speaker 3: appreciate documents and showing proof and evidence of things will
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Speaker 3: really appreciate this movie. And how it really began was
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Speaker 3: going through a lot of the MK Ultra subprojects and
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Speaker 3: discovering that, you know, several of the sub projects were
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Speaker 3: dedicated to unlocking and study of ESP and psychic abilities.
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Speaker 3: MK Ultra Subproject eighty three is about ESP testing and
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Speaker 3: psychic ability. Subproject one thirty six is also about psychic
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Speaker 3: abilities and ESP testing, and specifically we show in the
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Speaker 3: movie in that document that it talks about psychic testing
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Speaker 3: on children. MK Ultra Subproject one two is a giant
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Speaker 3: summer camp where the CIA was collecting data on I
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Speaker 3: think around four hundred and sixty two children. We show
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Speaker 3: an old NBC broadcast that was talking about all the
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Speaker 3: CIA's interest in children. That's how we opened the entire trailer. Now,
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Speaker 3: after that, I then started reaching out to several of
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Speaker 3: the remote viewers that were officially in the government remote
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Speaker 3: viewing unit the Stargate Project, which it wasn't always called
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Speaker 3: the Stargate Project, and went through many different names and
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Speaker 3: many different iterations, and it's really explained within the movie.
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Speaker 3: And I thought that that was really important for me
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Speaker 3: to do because there's never been, to my knowledge, a
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Speaker 3: thorough history of the government's interest in psychic abilities and
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Speaker 3: where the research started and how it developed into a
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Speaker 3: military through that organization unit. Now, there has been some
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Speaker 3: confusion on some of these things. And there's three different
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Speaker 3: programs that we really focus on in the entire movie,
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Speaker 3: which is the Stargate Unit, which dale Graf was the
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Speaker 3: operations manager at the Stargate program. It was the government's
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Speaker 3: remote viewing unit that would spy on foreign assets and
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Speaker 3: foreign targets to figure out what was going on during
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Speaker 3: the Cold War. He was the operations manager for that unit.
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Speaker 3: He was the one that coined the term stargate. Then
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Speaker 3: we have the Monroe Institute Gateway Experience, which is a
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Speaker 3: completely different program but is connected in a few ways
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Speaker 3: back to the Stargate Unit. We show a document in
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Speaker 3: the movie that shows that Army Intelligence sent some of
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Speaker 3: their Army personnel to the Monroe Institute to study under
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Speaker 3: Robert Monroe and reportedly talking with the people that are
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Speaker 3: in the movie from the Stargate Unit. They also had
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Speaker 3: the Monroe Institute Gateway tapes. They had access to those
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Speaker 3: at the unit in Fort Meade. And the other thing
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Speaker 3: that we talk about is the public school gate programs.
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Speaker 3: See there's gate in every single one of these things,
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Speaker 3: so you know, people could possibly get confused, but it
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Speaker 3: is very distinctive the things that we were that we're
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Speaker 3: talking about within the movie. They're separate things but are
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Speaker 3: somehow related.
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Speaker 2: But there was.
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Speaker 3: Only less than twenty people that was ever in the
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Speaker 3: DA's Army Intelligence Unit at Fort Mead, So it's just important.
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Speaker 3: And we show that document also in the movie where
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Speaker 3: you see all the people that were verified that was
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Speaker 3: in the Stargate Remote Viewing Unit. In no way, shape
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Speaker 3: or form did we ever even mention or even say
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Speaker 3: or even allude to the fact that DA Army Intelligence
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Speaker 3: Stargate Remote Viewing Unit was testing on show. They were
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Speaker 3: not that is. Anybody that believes that is wrong, and
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Speaker 3: we don't even mention that in the movie. So I
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Speaker 3: just think that that's important to bring up right off
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Speaker 3: the bat. That Gate program in public school is a
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Speaker 3: completely different program than the Stargate Remote Viewing Unit. But
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Speaker 3: you know, people get confused, William. They'll throw things together
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Speaker 3: that don't belong and they'll watch it and then they'll
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Speaker 3: think that this is all one big they'll try to
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Speaker 3: melt everything together when it's not meant to be melted together.
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Speaker 1: Right, But you're right, it is kind of confusing. They
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Speaker 1: like that wordgate. And the guy mentioned graph, I think
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Speaker 1: it was that he got the idea driving home at
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Speaker 1: night and the fog separated, and he saw this kind
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Speaker 1: of portal to the stars or whatever, and that's how
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Speaker 1: he got the concept of stargate. That is just this
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Speaker 1: part of the story that's really fascinating in and of itself,
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Speaker 1: is this how they got these guys together. And it's
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Speaker 1: almost like what the government does is they think year
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Speaker 1: out stuff.
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Speaker 2: And then they keep quiet about it.
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Speaker 1: So these guys kept quiet about it for whatever reason
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Speaker 1: for a long time, and then the whole thing is
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Speaker 1: like it never really worked. And then you see these
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Speaker 1: like these percentages like yeah, we knew a lot of stuff,
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Speaker 1: Like they're personally saying they had a lot of success
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Speaker 1: right well.
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Speaker 3: And that's also verified within the documents as well. I mean,
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Speaker 3: you can look at some of those documents and see
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Speaker 3: that they were very on target, that they were heading
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Speaker 3: at around sixty The lowest is around sixty percent on
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Speaker 3: any given target, which sixty percent of the time works
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Speaker 3: every time. I'm saying German reference, But sixty percent of
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Speaker 3: the time is pretty good, and at the highest is
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Speaker 3: around seventy five percent of the time, which I also
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Speaker 3: believe is really good. So the CIA being transferred back
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Speaker 3: to the CIA in nineteen ninety five, and then the
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Speaker 3: head of the CIA coming on and saying that the
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Speaker 3: unit never worked, that they never really accomplished anything. Is
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Speaker 3: completely false. It's completely wrong. I mean, you just look
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Speaker 3: through the documents and you know that that's wrong. I mean,
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Speaker 3: we have Angela Ford within the documentary saying that they
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Speaker 3: found missing well, she personally found kidnap people on Lebanon
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Speaker 3: hostages in Lebanon, and she also found a gentleman named
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Speaker 3: Charles Fort in Wyoming when some of the other remote
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Speaker 3: viewers did not. Some of the other military remote viewers
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Speaker 3: did not find him. They thought that he was in Florida,
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Speaker 3: and I believe one in Texas or in another place.
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Speaker 3: But that document was actually really difficult to find. Where
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Speaker 3: she was explaining where she drew the Indian burial ground
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Speaker 3: and she said that it's one percent in Wyoming. I
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Speaker 3: had to go through a lot of trouble and time
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Speaker 3: and effort to even find that document to put inside
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Speaker 3: of the movie. But she was correct, and she actually
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Speaker 3: got awarded for that, and she got special awards along
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Speaker 3: with Lim Buchanan. He also got awards as well for
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Speaker 3: his work in the Stargate Remote Viewing Unit. So why
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Speaker 3: would they be giving awards to people for finding out
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Speaker 3: the information that nobody knows, or finding hostages or finding
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Speaker 3: runaway drug mules for the TSA and customs agents if
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Speaker 3: it didn't work.
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Speaker 1: So the Stargate project or it was kind of under
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Speaker 1: the Defense Intelligence but other people were using it, so
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Speaker 1: different government agents would you know, use kind of standard
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Speaker 1: intel stuff, but at certain times they would come down.
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Speaker 2: To them and see if they could help.
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Speaker 3: Is that right, that's right, the CIA, Naval Intelligence, and essay, well,
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Speaker 3: pretty much everybody and I talk about it in the movie.
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Speaker 3: I'm like it pretty much every three letter organization is
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Speaker 3: in some way tasking the DA Army Intelligence unit to
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Speaker 3: do psychic spying for them. And it would come down
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Speaker 3: to things that they couldn't find through regular you know,
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Speaker 3: telemetry and satellite data and stuff like that. It was,
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Speaker 3: you know, then they would come They were kind of
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Speaker 3: like a last resort type of thing. And we talk
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Speaker 3: about that, which is kind of not fair because if
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Speaker 3: they're really good, then they probably shouldn't be a last resort.
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Speaker 3: They should probably you know, at least be the second
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Speaker 3: thing that you contact when the first one doesn't work out.
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Speaker 3: But they tended to be some of the last on
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Speaker 3: the list to contact, and they turned out to be
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Speaker 3: pretty dang accurate. But when they found that missing airplane,
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Speaker 3: the down missing Russian airplane in Africa. Jimmy Carter actually
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Speaker 3: brought that to the attention of a lot of people
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Speaker 3: in nineteen ninety five and before that, but the most
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Speaker 3: popular one is in nineteen ninety five where he was
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Speaker 3: asked in an interview if did anything strange or inexplicable
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Speaker 3: happen during your time as president, and he said, yes,
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Speaker 3: a lady was contacted from California, the head of the
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Speaker 3: CIA contacted.
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Speaker 2: He said a.
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Speaker 3: Medium from California, but he was wrong. It wasn't a
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Speaker 3: medium and it wasn't from California. It was actually from
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Speaker 3: Wright Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio, and that was
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Speaker 3: Dell Graf's small remote viewing Air Force unit by a
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Speaker 3: lady named Rosemary Smith. So he had part of it right,
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Speaker 3: but the other parts weren't correct. But I didn't include
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Speaker 3: that into the movie because it's been done to death.
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Speaker 3: You know, the people that know about the Jimmy Carter
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Speaker 3: thing know about the Jimmy Carter thing. I've brought it
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Speaker 3: up several times on my show. I have a viral
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Speaker 3: reel on it.
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Speaker 1: Well, I had one on What's your Podcast? Raised by
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Speaker 1: Giants by John, so people can check out more of that.
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Speaker 1: I think it's interesting because these are political events, right.
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Speaker 1: This is kind of the Cold Wars ending seventy nine,
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Speaker 1: and they're always trying to find down equipment and intel
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Speaker 1: and infro and so this is happening in Africa where
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Speaker 1: this plane disappears and do you have The interesting thing
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Speaker 1: is these guys kept there. It seems like they, if
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Speaker 1: these documents are authentic, they kept the documented thing of
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Speaker 1: the remote viewing, right? Can you kind of do like
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Speaker 1: abcs of remote fairly viewing for people who may not
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Speaker 1: understand what they do and the process to kind.
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Speaker 2: Of induce this.
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Speaker 1: At ESP, it's kind of like an ESP, right didn't
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Speaker 1: they admit that in the film with your Interviewers?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's not too much difference between remote viewing and ESP.
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Speaker 3: Remote viewing is just a term that was coined by
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Speaker 3: Russell targ and how put off at SRI in the
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Speaker 3: early seventies whenever they took a trip to China and
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Speaker 3: China was experimenting on children for ESP abilities and they
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Speaker 3: took a trip to China and that's where they discovered. Reportedly,
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Speaker 3: you know, that's what people say happened, But we do
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Speaker 3: know that they did take a trip to China. But
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Speaker 3: what's said is they went to China and a kid
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Speaker 3: called it remote viewing, and then Sri took that term
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Speaker 3: and then you know, named it remote viewing. But we
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Speaker 3: don't really know, but we do know that Sri and
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Speaker 3: Russell Targan how put off, were responsible for naming it
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Speaker 3: remote viewing. Now how it came about, that's another But
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Speaker 3: people had different names for it since the beginning. You know,
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Speaker 3: there were mystics, there were clairvoyants. You know, it's gone
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Speaker 3: under many different names throughout history. But remote viewing is
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Speaker 3: like the standard term because they had to come up
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Speaker 3: with a new term in order to make this unit
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Speaker 3: a you know, a viable unit in order to get funding.
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Speaker 3: So they had to put it in some sort of
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Speaker 3: military way, in like a military format so that people
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Speaker 3: could easily understand. Because if you just came out and
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Speaker 3: started calling it, we got a clairvoyant unit over there,
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Speaker 3: you know what I mean, people are going to be like,
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Speaker 3: what why do you have a clairvoyant unit? But essentially
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Speaker 3: what it is and It's been described as opening like
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Speaker 3: an aperture of your mind. A Dellgraph kind of talks
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Speaker 3: about this in the movie, or you're going through a
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Speaker 3: gate in your mind, and that's kind of one of
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Speaker 3: the reasons why you wanted to name it. It eventually
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Speaker 3: landed on Stargate in the early nineties.
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Speaker 1: And.
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Speaker 3: It's a very complicated process. It's not super easy, like
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Speaker 3: a lot of people believe that it is. Like you'll
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Speaker 3: see people online and they'll be like, oh, yeah, I
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Speaker 3: just looked at a picture and I was able to
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Speaker 3: remote view it. You know what I mean. I wanted
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Speaker 3: to remote view Egypt, so I just sat down and
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Speaker 3: remote viewed Egypt. You know, that's not really how it works.
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Speaker 3: You're supposed to be blind to the target. So there's
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Speaker 3: a couple of different ways to do it. Angela Ford
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Speaker 3: talks about the Silva Mind Control book in the movie
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Speaker 3: and she says that that is a really I haven't
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Speaker 3: read the book, but she just recommends it. That it's
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Speaker 3: very similar to extended remote viewing, which is er V.
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Speaker 3: But there's other different ways of remote viewing as well.
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Speaker 3: And one of the ones that she did was written
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Speaker 3: remote viewing, which is where you essentially draw the scene
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Speaker 3: like we showed in the movie when she found Charles Fort,
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Speaker 3: she had the background of the Indian burial ground and
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Speaker 3: basically described where he was located. And then there's a
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Speaker 3: coordinate remote viewing where a person is given a set
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Speaker 3: of coordinates, but they're not necessarily real coordinates. The coordinate
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Speaker 3: doesn't actually pertain to the site that you or remote viewing.
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Speaker 3: The person that gives the coordinate is actually im viewing
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Speaker 3: their it's really really they're like imprinting onto the coordinate
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Speaker 3: what it is that the remote viewers like the location
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Speaker 3: that they're supposed to be viewing. That's why it's like,
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Speaker 3: so it's really really wild, and I don't think a
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Speaker 3: lot of people know that. And normally the person that's
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Speaker 3: kind of giving the target as well doesn't know the target.
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Speaker 3: It's like a double blind thing. So the remote viewer
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Speaker 3: is not supposed to know the target, and the person
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Speaker 3: that's giving the target isn't supposed to know the target
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Speaker 3: because if you know the target, then your subconscious mind
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Speaker 3: interferes right with what you've seen. You're relating that to
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Speaker 3: the things that you've seen, whether that be a movie
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Speaker 3: or pictures of the area. That you're supposed to be
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Speaker 3: remote viewing, but if you don't know what the target is,
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Speaker 3: then your mind doesn't have anything to make up. So
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Speaker 3: it essentially gets rid of your imagination when you're doing
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Speaker 3: blind experiments and double blind remote viewing.
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Speaker 1: Right, So they're like in this military environment. But I've
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Speaker 1: actually done a remote view I've done a lot of
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Speaker 1: work on the smiley face of killers. In one chapter
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Speaker 1: of my book is about a remote viewing that took
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Speaker 1: place with two remote viewers in Switzerland.
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Speaker 2: Covering a case.
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Speaker 1: I think this I'm just imparting it to you and
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Speaker 1: the listeners writer because I think you'll find this interesting
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Speaker 1: because it kind of ties in totally from another continent,
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Speaker 1: literally looking into a case in an SFK case called
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Speaker 1: Colon Finnerty who mysteriously disappeared.
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Speaker 2: He was in Western Michigan.
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Speaker 1: He was actually the like he won the Big Class
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Speaker 1: B college championships to two years in a row as
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Speaker 1: a quarterback. So it's a very athletic, talented guy. And
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Speaker 1: he mysteriously was found kind of face down in twenty thirteen.
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Speaker 1: It was, and so somebody asked these remote viewers to
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Speaker 1: like look at and he is his cell phone had
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Speaker 1: pinged in different places, so like the things were very mysterious.
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Speaker 1: But these two people just like you said, piece of paper,
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Speaker 1: pen somebody there and just asking questions about what happened
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Speaker 1: to Colin Finnerty. And what happened according to the remote viewer,
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Speaker 1: and you can read this in my book about Smiley
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Speaker 1: Face killers, is that he was abducted and taking places
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Speaker 1: and kind of dry drowned like water torture. Like this
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Speaker 1: is very consistent with the Smiley faced killers, where they're
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Speaker 1: mysteriously have water in their lungs.
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Speaker 2: When they're not close to water, something weird happens.
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Speaker 1: And then they covered the pings of the cell phones.
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Speaker 1: So he was taken and then moved and then dumped
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Speaker 1: like and according to the remote viewer.
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Speaker 2: But what's really.
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Speaker 1: Odd is how consistent that is with the people what
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Speaker 1: people have surmised what's going on with these Smiley face
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Speaker 1: killers since they're kept taken somewhere, kept for some reason,
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Speaker 1: and and it's a group like this, the remote viewer said,
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Speaker 1: it's not just one person these groups, it's a group
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Speaker 1: of people doing this and put them in the back
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Speaker 1: of a like a truck or something or some kind
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Speaker 1: of like you know, white van or something weird like that.
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Speaker 1: It's an amazing story and I really I should just do
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Speaker 1: a show on that alone of Colon Finnerty, and I
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Speaker 1: think I might have, but just this remote viewing, that's
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Speaker 1: my experience with it. And it's really strange too, because
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Speaker 1: this is a totally sterile environment of two people in
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Speaker 1: like Switzerland doing something in Michigan, and it's like really
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Speaker 1: consistent with what people kind of like to do. Could
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Speaker 1: have happened anyway, That's kind of my sharing story, but
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Speaker 1: it is interesting these guys are doing that, and you
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Speaker 1: really have these first person people with the pictures and
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Speaker 1: their records. And one of these guys was featured in
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Speaker 1: many stereic Goats, which kind of like turn this kind
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Speaker 1: of seria. I think they're very serious, but the way
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Speaker 1: the movie in Hollywood presented it was kind of like,
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Speaker 1: let's make fun of them and make them look ridiculous.
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Speaker 1: Would you agree with the.
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Speaker 3: Yes? And I really liked Minister at Goats. I thought
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Speaker 3: it was really funny and but but that is a
21:10
Speaker 3: common thing with Hollywood. De'll, you know, make fun of
21:13
Speaker 3: the topic and ridicule it like that. I mean, how
21:17
Speaker 3: long did they make fun of the UFO topic. They
21:19
Speaker 3: made fun of the UFO topic for freaking years anytime
21:22
Speaker 3: that it was ever brought up, and you know, people
21:25
Speaker 3: would just laugh, you know what I mean, Like people
21:27
Speaker 3: are like crazy. And the Minister At Goats were was
21:32
Speaker 3: a mixture of two different programs. One of the programs
21:36
Speaker 3: we don't know about, which Lynn Buchanan in the movie
21:41
Speaker 3: surmises that it was called Project Delta because he received
21:45
Speaker 3: an invite in the mail to join Project Delta whenever
21:48
Speaker 3: he was at Stargate and it was a combat unit,
21:53
Speaker 3: and he was like kind of wondering, why am I
21:55
Speaker 3: getting I don't do combat anymore, I'm out of combat.
21:58
Speaker 3: Why are they sending me this invite for this program
22:02
Speaker 3: that is a combat unit. But later on we found
22:05
Speaker 3: out that it was a psychic version of what he
22:10
Speaker 3: was doing with but in combat. So there was like
22:13
Speaker 3: a psychic combat thing that they were training soldiers how
22:16
Speaker 3: to use their psychic abilities in combat. But little, very
22:20
Speaker 3: little information is known about that unit. But the Minister
22:24
Speaker 3: It Ghotes was kind of a culmination of both of
22:29
Speaker 3: those units combined into one, uh you know, comedy movie.
22:35
Speaker 3: And according to Lynn, they really did try to kill
22:43
Speaker 3: a goat with their mind, and it apparently happened. Apparently
22:48
Speaker 3: someone was apparently able to do that. Now where that
22:52
Speaker 3: took place is up for a debate. Some people have
22:56
Speaker 3: said that it was in Texas. Other people said North Carolina,
22:59
Speaker 3: and people say California, but northern California, Port Bragg or
23:06
Speaker 3: something like that and wanted. But it's not really decided
23:09
Speaker 3: on exactly where that unit was or where that took
23:13
Speaker 3: place at where they, you know, killed the goat with
23:17
Speaker 3: her mind.
23:19
Speaker 1: And that guy Lynn Buchanan who you interviewed is featured
23:22
Speaker 1: in the menu Stearic goats, right, the same kind of ponytails.
23:25
Speaker 1: So was he in the book too? Are you aware
23:27
Speaker 1: of that? I think it's Ronson wrote the book?
23:29
Speaker 2: Is it is.
23:32
Speaker 3: The book of More? Is the Book of Moore? A
23:34
Speaker 3: serious take on? I have not read the.
23:35
Speaker 2: Book, but I haven't read it either.
23:37
Speaker 1: I just have seen the the author interviewed, and I'm
23:41
Speaker 1: wondering if he knew if he featured Buchanan in his book.
23:45
Speaker 1: Maybe the JAT knows because the reason I asked that
23:49
Speaker 1: is because that Jeff dan not Jeff Daniels.
23:53
Speaker 2: What's his name?
23:54
Speaker 1: The character in Menu Skirt Steed Goats looked like it
23:58
Speaker 1: was based.
23:59
Speaker 2: On Lynn Buchanan. Is that right? Did you get Is
24:01
Speaker 2: that true?
24:02
Speaker 3: Yeah?
24:02
Speaker 2: I believe the same ponytail, right.
24:05
Speaker 3: I think that that's a sergeant of the unit in there.
24:09
Speaker 3: I think that's Jeff Bridges. But the character that's played
24:13
Speaker 3: by George Clooney is supposed to be Lynn Buchanan. His
24:18
Speaker 3: name in the movie is Lynn Cassidy.
24:21
Speaker 2: Okay, gotcha.
24:22
Speaker 3: So the person that plays, you know, the version of
24:26
Speaker 3: Lynn in real life is Lyn Cassidy, and I believe
24:29
Speaker 3: that that is George Clooney in the movie.
24:33
Speaker 1: Now I have to go see the movie and kind
24:35
Speaker 1: of But then there's another guy who I've seen around
24:37
Speaker 1: two that's mentioned in your film is Ingo Swan and
24:41
Speaker 1: he was kind of really one of the first remote viewers.
24:44
Speaker 2: Is that right? Yes?
24:46
Speaker 3: Him and Pat Price, and there's a few others that
24:50
Speaker 3: were involved in the early SRI research, But yes, Ingo
24:55
Speaker 3: Swan was one of the first that were studied at SRI,
25:00
Speaker 3: which was funded by the CIA up until pot price
25:04
Speaker 3: Is death in nineteen seventy five. Then the CIA cut
25:09
Speaker 3: funding and then reinstated funding later on, and then also
25:13
Speaker 3: the Air Force picked up funding there around nineteen seventy eight,
25:18
Speaker 3: dell Graph talks about it that Russell target, how put
25:22
Speaker 3: Off comes to right Patterson Air Force Base and is
25:25
Speaker 3: looking for funding. That's what got dell Graph interested in.
25:29
Speaker 3: That's how he created that small kind of off the
25:32
Speaker 3: books Remo Viewing Unit at right Patterson Air Force Base.
25:36
Speaker 3: But yes, Ingo Swan was one of the first.
25:41
Speaker 1: It's one of the really ones and it never got
25:43
Speaker 1: over to I mean if that picture in your I
25:46
Speaker 1: think the picture in your documentary shows about fifteen twenty people,
25:49
Speaker 1: so that was about its size. So it's not the past, right.
25:54
Speaker 3: Well, sor I was a different program. There were more
25:57
Speaker 3: of the research effort arm of the DIA and Army
26:00
Speaker 3: Intelligence THEDIA Army Intelligence Unit is separate from SRI, but
26:06
Speaker 3: they it was the study. The CIA gave money to
26:11
Speaker 3: SORI through like a roundabout different way and through people,
26:17
Speaker 3: through personal people, and then also just the actual CIA
26:21
Speaker 3: itself was funding research and that research started in the
26:24
Speaker 3: early seventies and that was to figure out if psychic
26:27
Speaker 3: abilities are real. But the thing about it is is
26:30
Speaker 3: that they knew that it was real because they had
26:34
Speaker 3: MK ultra subprojects going on long before the SRI was
26:40
Speaker 3: ever in the picture and then they had been funding
26:43
Speaker 3: it through SRI. So why would you put all this
26:46
Speaker 3: funding into researching it if you didn't believe that it
26:49
Speaker 3: was real. And then in nineteen nineteen ninety five when
26:53
Speaker 3: they shut down the Stargate unit and said that it
26:55
Speaker 3: doesn't work. So you've been funding it since nineteen the.
26:59
Speaker 2: Early years to figure it out.
27:03
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, they did.
27:05
Speaker 1: The same thing without Gaelta research. They just lied said
27:07
Speaker 1: we didn't have any good results. I think it was
27:10
Speaker 1: a blazing success, but they just that's what they told
27:12
Speaker 1: the public. It's like when you discover these things, you
27:15
Speaker 1: just don't tell people anything about it because then you
27:18
Speaker 1: monopolize the information, the intel, the skills, the techniques and
27:22
Speaker 1: stuff like that. Centralized it central like the centralized intelligence actions.
27:27
Speaker 3: Yeah, so China and Russia doesn't get ahold of our
27:31
Speaker 3: what we're doing, so we just tell everybody that nothing.
27:34
Speaker 2: Works, nothing works. Yeah, all the.
27:37
Speaker 3: While, Russia has had a remote viewing unit for just
27:42
Speaker 3: as long, probably even longer than the United States. They
27:47
Speaker 3: were probably that we actually started our unit because we
27:50
Speaker 3: believe that Russia had to remote viewing unit.
27:54
Speaker 1: Right, So the Russians they have like I mean, they
27:58
Speaker 1: had you showed this one who could do telekinesis or
28:02
Speaker 1: something like that. But they they did have that. They
28:06
Speaker 1: had this kind of like even the Soviets and stuff cybernetics,
28:10
Speaker 1: and they're very cutting edge and into ESP and all
28:15
Speaker 1: this stuff. There's a part of Russian culture. It's very
28:18
Speaker 1: strong in that. So they were doing that. I think
28:22
Speaker 1: way back it started really or in some of these
28:25
Speaker 1: ESP tests and things like that. Did you ever come
28:27
Speaker 1: across the name Esterbrooks when you were doing your research.
28:32
Speaker 3: Esther Brooks Ester?
28:34
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, gh, George Oben Esterbrooks. Because he was one
28:38
Speaker 1: of the early ESP testers. He used to do these
28:41
Speaker 1: tests with cards and back in the thirties, so like
28:44
Speaker 1: this stuff. He wrote a book on ESP. I'll send
28:46
Speaker 1: it to you. But I did a long show about him,
28:50
Speaker 1: and he's kind of one of these early ones like
28:53
Speaker 1: ericson like Cameron who was.
28:57
Speaker 3: He connected to Duke University?
29:01
Speaker 1: Possibly he was, I think he was at Cornell. He
29:04
Speaker 1: wasn't a Duke, but he was networked Asterbrooks's network. He's
29:07
Speaker 1: an interesting figure. I can discuss him in another another
29:13
Speaker 1: show but or something. But he did a lot of
29:16
Speaker 1: stuff on mind control. Man is a kind of mechanical
29:20
Speaker 1: animal and was one of the early kind of like
29:24
Speaker 1: before M. Kilt or one of the early behavior old
29:28
Speaker 1: psychologists or people who could make behavioral change.
29:32
Speaker 3: So well, we discussed in the movie about the what
29:37
Speaker 3: was going on in the thirties and some of the
29:39
Speaker 3: first psychic testing was done on children from Duke University
29:45
Speaker 3: by Carl Zinder and jb Ryan.
29:50
Speaker 1: It was those car cards that they're used, Zender cards, right.
29:54
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a lot at the card game. And they
29:56
Speaker 3: would experiment on indigenous school children in Canada and also
30:02
Speaker 3: within the United States as well, and that's what a
30:04
Speaker 3: lot of people remember, having you know, been a part
30:08
Speaker 3: of within the public school gate programs. They remember those
30:11
Speaker 3: flash cards. I remember seeing using the flash cards and
30:15
Speaker 3: having the teacher flip over a flashcard, not showing it
30:19
Speaker 3: to the kid and asking the kid what shape is
30:21
Speaker 3: on the back of the flash card. It's a very
30:23
Speaker 3: real it's a very real thing. You just type in
30:27
Speaker 3: the Vender cards into Google and you'll see, uh, you know,
30:30
Speaker 3: carls in there and doctor J. D Ryan was responsible
30:34
Speaker 3: for that card game, you know, and uh, I guess back, yeah,
30:42
Speaker 3: And then there's other you know projects as well, such
30:46
Speaker 3: as the Aims Leaf Room. That was because see a
30:51
Speaker 3: lot of these kids remember in the Gate program, which
30:55
Speaker 3: is separate from the Stargate Remote Viewing Unit. This is
30:58
Speaker 3: a separate thing. They remember a bunch of different things.
31:01
Speaker 3: They remember, you know, hearing test, they remember vision test,
31:07
Speaker 3: taking a strange substance, playing with blocks, playing with you know,
31:12
Speaker 3: having rorshock tests, playing with strings, and it was a
31:16
Speaker 3: part of this this enhanced learning type of program that
31:23
Speaker 3: they were put into. And they also remember goggles, having
31:27
Speaker 3: to put on goggles. And there are real programs that
31:32
Speaker 3: are not related but under the same type of circumstance,
31:38
Speaker 3: which is the Ames Leaf Room, which was done by
31:43
Speaker 3: this guy named doctor Ames. He created this room which
31:51
Speaker 3: was this was funded and contracted by Office of Naval Intelligence,
31:55
Speaker 3: Office of Naval Research, where he would take college students
31:57
Speaker 3: into this room and it had leaves all over the
31:59
Speaker 3: world and you would dose them with LSD and put
32:02
Speaker 3: goggles over their head and then they would have the
32:04
Speaker 3: worst trip of their life and they would be sitting
32:05
Speaker 3: there tripping balls, looking through strange goggles at this very
32:10
Speaker 3: small room. They put them into a psychosis. They would
32:14
Speaker 3: end up in the er right, and then there's other
32:20
Speaker 3: experiments called the Gansfeld experiment, which is spelled g A
32:25
Speaker 3: n z Feld, And it's like this thing to induce
32:32
Speaker 3: hallucinations whecichal. They call them hallucinations. We don't know if, like,
32:36
Speaker 3: are they really hallucinations. I don't know if any hallucination
32:39
Speaker 3: is really a hallucination. But that's what the claim is,
32:42
Speaker 3: is that it induces hallucinations and is to activate your
32:46
Speaker 3: psychic abilities. And you can do it yourself by cutting
32:50
Speaker 3: a ping pong ball in half and taping them to
32:52
Speaker 3: your eyelift, taking a bright red light and shining it
32:55
Speaker 3: on your face. And the people that have done this
32:57
Speaker 3: for an extended period of time, a lot of people
33:00
Speaker 3: can't do it for other over like thirty minutes. But
33:05
Speaker 3: this doesn't require drugs. But if you did put drugs
33:08
Speaker 3: into the mix, you would probably get a it would
33:12
Speaker 3: be way more intense, right. And Dean Raiden on Joe
33:16
Speaker 3: Rogan was just talking about this and he was involved
33:19
Speaker 3: with this experiment as well, and.
33:21
Speaker 2: Talked about him on the show.
33:22
Speaker 1: I saw as he had a little spot on your
33:26
Speaker 1: in your documentary. I've interviewed that guy.
33:29
Speaker 3: Really.
33:29
Speaker 1: Yeah, Dean Raiden is the head of the Noetic Institute.
33:35
Speaker 3: I have heard of the Noetic Institute, but.
33:37
Speaker 1: That's that's the guy who like went to the It
33:41
Speaker 1: started by the guy who went to the moon and
33:44
Speaker 1: had kind of like a life altering experience and came
33:48
Speaker 1: back and started the Noetic Dean Raidon's really an important figure.
33:52
Speaker 2: You had him on there. That's the guy with the goateea.
33:55
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would actually like to talk talk with him.
33:58
Speaker 1: I have his contact. I'm sure what I mean, what
34:01
Speaker 1: showed it. I interviewed him about one of his books.
34:06
Speaker 1: It's one of my earliest interviews. Actually, Oh yeah, all right,
34:13
Speaker 1: Real Magic, Ancient Wisdom, modern science, and a guide to
34:16
Speaker 1: the secret power of the Universe.
34:17
Speaker 2: I did that in.
34:20
Speaker 1: Oh wow.
34:20
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would definitely like to get in contact with him.
34:22
Speaker 1: And I look up the Noetic Institute. I think it
34:24
Speaker 1: overlaps with some of your research. I think you find
34:26
Speaker 1: it very interesting. But it was based on the book
34:30
Speaker 1: Varieties of Religious Experience and noesis noddic is kind of
34:36
Speaker 1: like a word for extrait esp.
34:39
Speaker 3: If I remember, that's really interesting. I'll definitely have to
34:43
Speaker 3: take a look into that. And I'll watch your show
34:45
Speaker 3: with him as well, because it's definitely connected. So I
34:48
Speaker 3: guess when you take into consideration of how many kids
34:51
Speaker 3: have been part of these gay programs, you know, and
34:55
Speaker 3: we talk about in the movie how it's was for
35:00
Speaker 3: sure going on in the sixties. That's when Walter Bosley
35:03
Speaker 3: was in the unit. Was the early sixties. He was
35:06
Speaker 3: part of the not in the unit, sorry, part of
35:08
Speaker 3: the program in the sixties. And in public school it
35:13
Speaker 3: was called MGM Minutally Gifted Minors, and he was a
35:17
Speaker 3: part of this, and uh, you know, that went on
35:19
Speaker 3: and it is still going on to this very day.
35:21
Speaker 3: There are Gate programs that are that are currently still
35:25
Speaker 3: happening to this very day. And there are people that
35:29
Speaker 3: have reached out to me that have said that their
35:33
Speaker 3: kids are currently in the Gate program and really weird
35:36
Speaker 3: things happened to them. And they said their daughter came
35:39
Speaker 3: home and said that a black suv would pull up
35:42
Speaker 3: to the school every single day and take her in
35:45
Speaker 3: a handful of kids out on field trips. And these
35:47
Speaker 3: aren't just you know, standard field trips. Sorry, I'm starting
35:51
Speaker 3: to get the beginnings of a little cold here. That's
35:53
Speaker 3: why I'm wiping my nose. The these aren't standard field
35:58
Speaker 3: trips that the parents are signing off on they're they're
36:01
Speaker 3: a part of the skate program. And she said also
36:05
Speaker 3: within telling her that this s you would pull up
36:07
Speaker 3: every day and take her and a couple of kids
36:10
Speaker 3: to UH on these field trips. She said that also
36:12
Speaker 3: in the middle of the night every night, the same
36:15
Speaker 3: kids would come to her house and wake her up
36:18
Speaker 3: in the middle of the night and they would go
36:20
Speaker 3: out and do like a night school.
36:23
Speaker 2: Wow, that is incredible, SOD.
36:26
Speaker 1: But they're not necessarily like you said, Bosley is saying,
36:29
Speaker 1: it's MGM, so may not necessarily be called the gate
36:33
Speaker 1: program for these kids, right right, there's different.
36:37
Speaker 3: There's different names. People remember it as a tag which
36:40
Speaker 3: is talented and gifted, or there's different names for different programs,
36:45
Speaker 3: Like there's one that from Georgia called Focus, which is
36:50
Speaker 3: the acronym for fostering originality, creativity, understanding and self awareness.
36:55
Speaker 3: So basically what happened was is that in the seventies,
37:00
Speaker 3: from the seventies into the eighties, parents found out that
37:03
Speaker 3: the CIA had access to their children's school records and
37:07
Speaker 3: they couldn't get access. So they would go to the
37:10
Speaker 3: school and they would go in and be like, hey,
37:13
Speaker 3: I would my access to my child's school records and
37:16
Speaker 3: they wouldn't give them to them.
37:19
Speaker 1: They said that it was just a big the school
37:21
Speaker 1: became a big testing ground in a way, looking for
37:25
Speaker 1: I mean there's other things. They may be scoping for
37:28
Speaker 1: psychopathy you don't even know, Like, but if they're giving
37:31
Speaker 1: you psychological tests or things like that, they may be
37:34
Speaker 1: putting you into This guy's going to be a perfect
37:36
Speaker 1: assassiny has no conscience at eight years older. Who knows,
37:39
Speaker 1: I don't even know.
37:41
Speaker 3: That's exactly right. You're you get it, you understand it.
37:44
Speaker 3: And I knew that because you're really good journalist and
37:47
Speaker 3: you put together really good work. But that's exactly right.
37:49
Speaker 3: It's not just one thing. And there are people that
37:54
Speaker 3: wanted to just be one thing, but like how any
37:58
Speaker 3: operation works, it's never just one thing. It's multiple things.
38:03
Speaker 3: There's many branches to the tree, you know, and the
38:05
Speaker 3: roots go down far and the roots also have roots,
38:08
Speaker 3: and those roots are also connected to other roots. Right,
38:11
Speaker 3: So it's a multitude of different things that they're looking
38:16
Speaker 3: and testing these children for. So the parents got upset
38:19
Speaker 3: and they were like, okay, well we need to have
38:23
Speaker 3: access to our child school records, and they went to
38:26
Speaker 3: court over it. And there was this bill that was
38:29
Speaker 3: introduced called FURPA, And this is the Parents' Rights and
38:33
Speaker 3: Privacy Act or the Family Rights and Privacy Act, which
38:38
Speaker 3: gave parents their kids' school records back. But within that
38:42
Speaker 3: they found out that the reason that they couldn't get
38:44
Speaker 3: their child school records was because the CIA had them.
38:47
Speaker 1: All right, that's just absolutely incredible. Right we are at
38:53
Speaker 1: the forty minute mark. Do you have time for a
38:54
Speaker 1: few questions? Yes, somebody a cup of coffee has thoughts
38:59
Speaker 1: on Psychic Warriors by David Moorehouse.
39:01
Speaker 2: Have you ever heard of that?
39:03
Speaker 3: Yes, I've had David Morehouse on my show. He was
39:06
Speaker 3: not able to participate in the documentary, but I can
39:10
Speaker 3: still consider him a friend.
39:13
Speaker 2: Okay, gotcha.
39:15
Speaker 1: Another ashlet says worre can I a simple question? Where
39:17
Speaker 1: can I watch the movie.
39:19
Speaker 3: On Amazon Prime? I think we might have a link
39:23
Speaker 3: in the description for easy access for people to get
39:25
Speaker 3: on there on Amazon Prime. But if you don't like
39:27
Speaker 3: Amazon Prime, I also have DVD copies of the movie.
39:30
Speaker 3: If people are into physical media, you can reach out
39:33
Speaker 3: to me at Raised by Giants at outlook dot com
39:36
Speaker 3: and I can send you a physical DVD.
39:39
Speaker 1: So it's Raised by giants all one word at outlook
39:43
Speaker 1: dot com.
39:43
Speaker 2: Right, that's yes. If people want a physical DVD, kid
39:47
Speaker 2: it shipped to you. Okay.
39:48
Speaker 1: I got a question from one twenty four hope. Does
39:52
Speaker 1: your guests know how many of the gate children or
39:54
Speaker 1: children of military personnel?
39:57
Speaker 2: Good question. I don't know.
39:59
Speaker 3: W say a lot, because it's not like I was mentioning.
40:02
Speaker 3: It's not just one thing. They're looking for anybody in
40:05
Speaker 3: everybody it serves as a recruitment for, and it can
40:09
Speaker 3: just be standard recruitment to put people in just regular
40:13
Speaker 3: parts of society. Right. You can have an agent wherever,
40:16
Speaker 3: you can have an agent at the freaking post office.
40:20
Speaker 3: You don't even know. And that's the point is that
40:22
Speaker 3: you're not supposed to know. And the people that are
40:25
Speaker 3: a part of it more than likely also don't know,
40:29
Speaker 3: because they've been programmed from a really young age to
40:33
Speaker 3: carry out this thing in the future and they don't
40:36
Speaker 3: even know. Right. But if I were to guess, and
40:39
Speaker 3: that's not to say that everybody in the military or
40:41
Speaker 3: everybody that was a part of the gay program went
40:45
Speaker 3: into the military or you know, went into the Three
40:48
Speaker 3: Letter organization, but I would surmise that many of them
40:54
Speaker 3: went into military service or into some form of three
40:59
Speaker 3: letter organization service. Because if you get the smartest and
41:03
Speaker 3: brightest people from a really young age, you bring them
41:07
Speaker 3: into the fold. So therefore they can't you use their
41:10
Speaker 3: smarts for your company and for your corporation. So therefore
41:14
Speaker 3: you don't have any competition. You don't have anybody inventing
41:18
Speaker 3: things that are going to revolutionize the way that we
41:20
Speaker 3: operate as a society because they're working for you.
41:24
Speaker 1: Right, right, right, great point. So it's a way to
41:28
Speaker 1: absorb these things. Like Bosley went through this thing and
41:30
Speaker 1: then ends up as an FBI agent in things that
41:33
Speaker 1: you would he said in even your film, like the
41:36
Speaker 1: external world had no idea, right, they were so integrated
41:39
Speaker 1: into just normal business practices.
41:42
Speaker 3: And the thing that he said in the movie that
41:44
Speaker 3: gets me every single time that people should really pay
41:47
Speaker 3: attention to is that he talks about this part toward
41:51
Speaker 3: the end of the movie where you know you could
41:54
Speaker 3: be working at a job and not know that the
41:56
Speaker 3: job is a deep undercover FBI operation. Right, They can
42:00
Speaker 3: skies so well that that there are front locations out there,
42:05
Speaker 3: and he confirms us because he worked at several of them,
42:07
Speaker 3: one in San Francisco in California, and another one at
42:10
Speaker 3: a really popular building in New York City and nobody
42:14
Speaker 3: working in the building knew that it was an FBI
42:18
Speaker 3: undercover operation, So you could literally be working at He
42:23
Speaker 3: uses this example, which I laugh every single time. I
42:26
Speaker 3: think it's funny. He says, you could be working at
42:28
Speaker 3: a donut shop and not know that it's an undercover
42:32
Speaker 3: FBI operation that's been running for ten years.
42:36
Speaker 2: Right, amazing.
42:38
Speaker 1: Lizzie asks when did the Gate program start and how
42:41
Speaker 1: was it different than the Honors accelerated programs.
42:46
Speaker 3: That's a really good question. We talk about in the
42:48
Speaker 3: movie how the one of the earliest ones that we
42:51
Speaker 3: can find is in the sixties with Walters as the
42:56
Speaker 3: MGM program in California. But we also talk toward the
43:00
Speaker 3: end of the movie that it may go back even
43:03
Speaker 3: further than that. It might go back to the forties
43:08
Speaker 3: and it may have been a giant military operation. But
43:13
Speaker 3: for more information on that, I won't reveal that whole thing.
43:16
Speaker 3: I want you to go and watch the movie.
43:19
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's worth your while, guys, go check it out.
43:22
Speaker 1: Some of these people are in the Gates program or
43:24
Speaker 1: something like that, and that's one of The interesting things
43:27
Speaker 1: about the movie is that people now with the Internet,
43:29
Speaker 1: they're starting to compare notes much like people who were
43:33
Speaker 1: victims of mind control programs, Like they were all adamized, compartmentalized,
43:38
Speaker 1: so they always thought they were alone or this just
43:40
Speaker 1: happened to me. But they're starting that their stories are
43:44
Speaker 1: starting to sink up. But Johnny says, I was in
43:46
Speaker 1: the Gates program for a short while. Don't remember what
43:49
Speaker 1: they called it, Amanda, I was in the ear program
43:53
Speaker 1: in elementary. They gave me ringing in my ears for
43:56
Speaker 1: life that did heavy metal. Interesting, let's see. Hope says
44:05
Speaker 1: it was called GAT when I was in school. Yeah,
44:08
Speaker 1: there are like special things they do take like gifted
44:11
Speaker 1: people out. There's no question Thomas Campbell has a method.
44:14
Speaker 1: He promotes. He worked with the Monroe Institute. He set
44:17
Speaker 1: up their equipment. Who's Thomas Campbell? I don't know who
44:20
Speaker 1: that is. Maybe you could answer that cup of coffee.
44:22
Speaker 1: I don't never heard that name.
44:25
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not familiar with Thomas Campbell. But Monroe Institute
44:29
Speaker 3: is definitely connected in like I mentioned to the Stargate
44:34
Speaker 3: Remove viewing Unit, and people have claimed that they remember
44:38
Speaker 3: the Monroe Institute Gateway tapes being played to them and
44:42
Speaker 3: public school. And that's what kind of triggered this entire,
44:46
Speaker 3: this whole entire gate program for a lot of people
44:50
Speaker 3: was hearing those Monroe Institute Gateway tapes online.
44:54
Speaker 1: Right well ahead rest as psychic discoveries behind iron curtain,
44:58
Speaker 1: A bunch of science. There's a there what is a
45:00
Speaker 1: strain of scientology and a lot of these people, some
45:02
Speaker 1: of the people like target, I think and put off
45:04
Speaker 1: for both scientologists or ex scientologists.
45:07
Speaker 3: Just target and put off them. And it's kind of
45:09
Speaker 3: been put onto other I mean, Lim Buchanan is an
45:13
Speaker 3: ordained minister. He goes to.
45:16
Speaker 1: Church Christian Christian minister rebel for Jesus Christ. Drank the
45:21
Speaker 1: pink drink. I drank the pink drink. But I don't
45:23
Speaker 1: remember why. Maybe you're not supposed to you made there
45:27
Speaker 1: like themes of amnesia and dissociation in this these people too,
45:31
Speaker 1: I don't remember a lot. It's not funny a lot
45:33
Speaker 1: for my Gates program. Yeah, maybe you're not supposed to
45:37
Speaker 1: say people as escellent. Yeah, they overlap. Institute of Noetic
45:40
Speaker 1: Studies is a nor Cal and I think Escellent is
45:45
Speaker 1: Central cow Coast. People are high class got great jobs.
45:52
Speaker 1: Most Well, that's good.
45:54
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's another part of it is that some people
45:57
Speaker 3: become highly successful and other people don't. And the ones
46:04
Speaker 3: that are highly successful don't want to talk about what
46:07
Speaker 3: they went through because it doesn't matter to them. They're
46:09
Speaker 3: they're in a really good place and they make a
46:11
Speaker 3: lot of money. Like I believe that Charlie Kirk was
46:14
Speaker 3: starting to figure that out. I mean, Charlie Kirk went
46:16
Speaker 3: to an entire gate program school in Palatine, Illinois, Illinois
46:22
Speaker 3: called Creative Children's Academy. Now it's been renamed QUEST Academy
46:27
Speaker 3: from nineteen ninety nine and it's still in operation to
46:30
Speaker 3: this very day. Now this isn't just a class, this
46:34
Speaker 3: is an entire gifted gate school, the literal gifted and
46:39
Speaker 3: talent to school where it's dedicated to all the students.
46:42
Speaker 3: The only students in there are the ones that have
46:44
Speaker 3: been deemed to be gifted and talented and still operation today.
46:48
Speaker 3: You can look up and look it up on the
46:49
Speaker 3: website Quest Academy.
46:52
Speaker 2: Incredible. He was.
46:53
Speaker 1: Charlie Kirk was something else like. It wasn't into him
46:56
Speaker 1: until I didn't know much about him, I could say
46:58
Speaker 1: until after the event had happened almost a year ago.
47:01
Speaker 1: But super well spoken Pace was the name Rebel for
47:06
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ. My little brother was in as wealth as
47:08
Speaker 1: Licensed been different. Yeah, it doesn't ensure that you'll have
47:10
Speaker 1: a happy or successful life in the wildlife. Joe mcgonagal's
47:15
Speaker 1: mentioned in this documentary best Remote Viewer. He gets interviewed
47:19
Speaker 1: a lot. Dan says Pat Price was good.
47:22
Speaker 2: He died.
47:24
Speaker 1: Some of these people died are young for one reason
47:26
Speaker 1: or another. Lizzy says, I was in the Gifted program
47:30
Speaker 1: junior and Senior high in the late sixties early seventies.
47:33
Speaker 1: I don't remember what it was called, but the pressure
47:35
Speaker 1: was intense. A lot of humiliating scenes and crying. Wow,
47:39
Speaker 1: that's consistent with all the stuff is putting people through
47:42
Speaker 1: pressure and trauma and stuff like that.
47:44
Speaker 3: So sorry that that happened, Yeah, Lizzie. When you compare
47:49
Speaker 3: what you've been through in the well what a lot
47:53
Speaker 3: of people have claimed to have been through in the
47:54
Speaker 3: Gate programs. And then you look at Hu and Camera
47:57
Speaker 3: in what he was doing in Canada with one of
48:00
Speaker 3: the MK Ultra subprojects at Ravens Craig in Canada, you'll
48:05
Speaker 3: see a lot of different similarities.
48:09
Speaker 2: Well ahead.
48:09
Speaker 1: Rex Bishop Pike, the Episcopal Bishop of San Francisco, monitored
48:13
Speaker 1: esp testing and experiments.
48:14
Speaker 2: PK.
48:15
Speaker 1: Dick did those interesting because we're in the PK. Dick
48:18
Speaker 1: world right now with all these block cameras and I mean,
48:22
Speaker 1: it's just an incredible world. But this is part of it. Guys,
48:25
Speaker 1: check it out. Psychic Agent, the gate program director's writer lead.
48:29
Speaker 1: Is there anything you'd like to add or anything I
48:30
Speaker 1: missed before we wrap it up?
48:31
Speaker 2: I do?
48:32
Speaker 1: I think I do have a link in the show
48:33
Speaker 1: notes to the Amazon Prime version.
48:38
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, just that there's we've talked about three different
48:42
Speaker 3: programs here, just like we've talked about three different programs
48:45
Speaker 3: in the movie. The Stargate Remote Viewing DIA Army Intelligence
48:48
Speaker 3: Unit that had less than twenty people in it since
48:51
Speaker 3: it's inception. We had the Monroe Institute Gateway Experience, which
48:56
Speaker 3: thousands and thousands of people have done. You and you
48:59
Speaker 3: can still do the Row Institute Gateway Experience. You can
49:02
Speaker 3: still go to their facility and do that to try
49:05
Speaker 3: and induce an out of body experience. And then we
49:08
Speaker 3: have the public school gate programs. So these are all
49:13
Speaker 3: separate programs. Now I can see where people can get
49:16
Speaker 3: confused and think there have been people that's been confused
49:18
Speaker 3: about the Monroe Institute Gateway experience and think that they
49:21
Speaker 3: were in the Stargate remote viewing unit for a really
49:23
Speaker 3: long time. But if you just if you pay attention
49:25
Speaker 3: to the movie, the movies around an hour and forty
49:28
Speaker 3: five minutes, if you sit down and really take the
49:31
Speaker 3: time and pay attention to the movie and listen to everything,
49:34
Speaker 3: everything will really start to make a lot of sense.
49:37
Speaker 3: And some people can claim that the gate program Gifted
49:40
Speaker 3: and Talented wasn't what people are saying that it was,
49:45
Speaker 3: that it was just some kind of presidential test and
49:48
Speaker 3: that everybody was on these tests. But that's not it.
49:52
Speaker 3: That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about kids
49:55
Speaker 3: being pulled out of the classroom every single day sometime,
50:00
Speaker 3: completely taken to a separate building by a guy that
50:04
Speaker 3: they do not know, that's in a suit that they've
50:07
Speaker 3: never met, and subjected to strange experiments. That is different
50:14
Speaker 3: than a standard president's physical fitness test or a the
50:20
Speaker 3: health department coming to your school and showing you how
50:23
Speaker 3: to wash your hands. I'm talking about something completely different
50:27
Speaker 3: here that only selected individuals were this isn't something that
50:33
Speaker 3: they gather everybody in the gymnasium for and have them,
50:37
Speaker 3: you know, swish something around in their mouth and spit
50:40
Speaker 3: it out, and put things on your hands and wash
50:43
Speaker 3: your hands, and then you put it under a block
50:45
Speaker 3: light to see where you miss the thing. That's not
50:47
Speaker 3: what I'm talking about. I'm talking something that's happening every
50:50
Speaker 3: single day, two kids being pulled out of the classroom.
50:54
Speaker 3: So it's not that I would make that distinction really quickly.
50:58
Speaker 3: But thank you, William Brother. Appreciate it a great time.
51:04
Speaker 3: I hope everyone really checks out the movie and give
51:08
Speaker 3: us your feedback, leave a review and rating on Amazon
51:12
Speaker 3: as it helps push the movie out further.
51:15
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a great movie, supremely well researched and I
51:18
Speaker 1: really enjoyed watching and I learned a lot, and people
51:22
Speaker 1: check it out again. The full title of Psychic Agent
51:24
Speaker 1: the Gate Program and you can get a DVD copy
51:29
Speaker 1: if you go to Raised by Giants at outlook dot
51:32
Speaker 1: comerce send an email to that, and then also you
51:35
Speaker 1: can check out writer at his podcast Raised by Giants
51:40
Speaker 1: and then also I watched it on Prime and.
51:44
Speaker 2: Just terrific job.
51:45
Speaker 1: Congrats, So this will be his third that's his third documentary,
51:49
Speaker 1: and then you can check out our other three interviews
51:51
Speaker 1: too too as well. On William Ramsey Investigates, we had
51:54
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty live listeners. Thanks for all the
51:56
Speaker 1: comments and information chat. Really appreciate it. Again, it's Rider Lee,
52:01
Speaker 1: Psychic Agent and the Great Gate Program. Thanks so much,
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