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• Daniel (Pacco): So you're telling me Nicolas Cage probably got fifteen life sentences out of this whole scene alone? Sam: Yes, absolutely. Manslaughter. He's going straight to prison, non parole for life. Corey: He's getting the chair. Sam: Hi guys, welcome to Pile of Mates, your weekly, dose of random movie talking with the three of us guys. How are you all today? As always, we have Corey Middleton over here Corey: Hello. Sam: And of course, live from Thailand, still on his trip. Just really showing how much commitment he has. And still alive, we have Daniel. Daniel (Pacco): It's still alive too, but yeah. Sam: Pacco Paxton. Daniel (Pacco): Still here boys, how's it going? Sam: Going well, my friend. How is Thailand going for you? Week two. Daniel (Pacco): Yeah, we too. Hot, abusive, lot of sun, lot of food, everything's going well. Yeah. Sam: Hot and abusive, that's Daniel (Pacco): Okay. Sam: Well, it's better than Australia, that's just cold and abusive, so Corey: Who Daniel (Pacco): Yeah, that weather that weather is really abusive. Yeah. Sam: So we are super stoked that you first of all, Corey, how are you doing? Sorry, I've just feel like it snubbed you off there. How are you? Corey: Yeah. No, I'm good. I'm not as good as Pacco up in Thailand up there, but yeah, just, doing doing well. Just cruising along. Sam: Living the dream. Corey: Hm. Daniel (Pacco): New South Wales unabusive? I love it. Very nice, mate. Sam: Traditionally a bit more softer and lovely over there in New South Wales. So let's get into Con Air. Now this was an absolute banger over time when former US Army Ranger Cameron Poe has just been like well on parole and he's made he's finally gotten out after a bit of manslaughter going and he must plot twist, he must stop a group of violent, deadly criminals escaping the country. on a after seize control of this prison transport plane, henceforth the built film shall be known as Con Air. Welcome to Con Air, guys. Thank you for flying with us. Pacco, thank you for picking this movie first of all, but why don't you tell us a little bit about this film? And why you picked it. Daniel (Pacco): mate, I'm glad you liked it as much as I did. Why did I choose it? This is one of those movies when I used to go to the old Blockbusters or Video Easy. I'm not kidding, when I was probably ten at the time, roughly, I'd be booking this movie. I'd be probably booking it X ten, fifteen times, six months. Didn't take long until the parents bought me a copy of the it on VHS back in the day, but it's just an all time favourite and you'll as you'll know and you'll pick up later in the review, just so many one liners. So Sam: It was a lot of great liners. Daniel (Pacco): What are your first impressions? What are your first impressions, guys? Corey: our first impressions. It was It felt it was good. It felt like a generic testosterone fueled action packed generic action flick. but yeah, it was it was decent. Sam: Con Air, yeah. Yeah. It's exactly what you would want, Corey. Corey: Yeah. Daniel (Pacco): What are you saying? Sam: I fucking loved it. I had a great time with this. Yeah. I'm so glad you picked it. And it was honestly better than I imagined. I went in so blind with this film that I even wasn't exactly sure what Con Air exactly would be. I I knew obviously that maybe there was some flying thing involved. My thought and I spent the first few minutes being like, What's the what's the plot of this film? And it really went up up and down, you I'm having notes, I'm making notes, I'm like, what's this? And it went f up and down and that just it was a fucking roller coaster in such a fun way. And my spoiler, my partner left about halfway through the film because she was a bit tired and I and I don't think she was enjoying it that much. But I after the film ended, I I popped back into the rep bedroom and I like, yeah, film's ended like, what was And I like What a fucking good time. I was like explaining what had happened from when she left and she's like, Daniel (Pacco): Ha ha Sam: That's surely not it. I'm like, no, this is exactly what happened. This happened and this and then I go to this and she's like, No way. that's actually fucking ridiculous. It just you can't if you don't see this film, it sounds fucking bonkers. But it's so much fun. It just gets more Daniel (Pacco): It does. It is. Sam: like crazy and you're like, hang on, what? No. What? Hang on. Not fuck off. This is a great time. This was a fantastic pick, Pacco, and I'm very had a great time watching and I can see why you continually would go back to this and just enjoy enjoy it so much. Daniel (Pacco): Yeah, well and it's I was gonna just jump in. I haven't seen this movie in five years or so. I've completely forgotten what it was about and it was kinda like watching it again for the first time. And like you, man, I just had a ball watching this one. So yeah. But what about you, Sam: Yeah. It's Daniel (Pacco): Corey? Did your missus jump in and watch it as well? Did she enjoy it? Corey: Yeah, she watched the whole thing. I think she she didn't mind it. I think she was the same as me. It was somewhat decent. Sam: Well, let's get into the plot of this then, 'cause obviously there's just so much going on with this and you need to break it down plot by plot, beat by beat. But starts off again, I was a bit unsure where this was going at first. So we start off and we meet Cameron Po Cameron Poe, is that his name? played by the lovely Nicholas Cage, meeting his wife in Trisha in a bar And it threw me a little bit 'cause I was like, hang on, why is he if he's if he's like just come home, why is he meeting her in a bar? She's pregnant, but then he's like kissing her belly and then I'm like, but why is she at a bar that says that she works there? That was just a bit of a weird vibe of she she knew he was coming home. I surely should have taken the day off. just a weird vibe at the start. I'm like, where is this going? Daniel (Pacco): Just screams America. you're coming back from deployment, kissing the wife, and Sam: Yeah, yeah. And also when So he's been deployed for I don't know exactly how long a ranger is typically deployed for. But the math doesn't exactly math because she's not very pregnant. He's kissing her belly, it's pretty flat, not pregnant at all. and I know that the soldiers do come back and and all that it's not like that it's uncommon to come home and have these sort of trips, but the math isn't exactly mathing for seems like how long they've been apart. But she knows she's pregnant, but then she's not that pregnant. Just the math isn't mathing there for me at first. Daniel (Pacco): Yeah, Daddy, you bring that up. I she didn't really have a lump. I reckon she was probably eight weeks if anything. Sam: No, no, that was a no, specifically you look the shot he kisses her belly like that's a flat belly. There's that's that's Daniel (Pacco): Yeah. Sam: under three months for sure. Corey: Could have been Tommy's, the guy he he ended up fighting afterwards. Sam: We didn't just fight him, that's for sure. So then he basically gets in a bit of a fight. It's it's it's raining, there's mud, there's a car, they're like, You don't wanna do this and then this soul and then turns out this guy's a fucking machine and just knocks them all out and and I would argue in quite much very much self defense, and then kills a guy basically. So whoops. and then it speeds up and they're like, Okay, you're being put for involuntary manslaughter, that's your own bad, bad, yes, yes. and then basically that line where he's like, You're you're a deadly weapon, you should have known better. what how trained is this guy that you are a deadly weapon, that you can't even have self defense? Corey: I know. And they trained Daniel (Pacco): Yeah, and Corey: him to be a deadly weapon too. And then they're like using it against him now. It's like Sam: Yeah Yeah Yeah bit ridiculous Daniel (Pacco): And his his lawyer was pretty much useless in that whole scene. It's like mate, just play guilty. You're only gonna get four years. Gets a max sentence. Yeah. And they pretty much started Sam: Yeah. Yeah, you might get or go I know. It really he got fucked over with that guilty plea. my God. And it's not Daniel (Pacco): the movie off. sorry, I they just started the movie off. He's like a war hero and all that, part of a squad. Sam: Yeah. Daniel (Pacco): You think he'll get some special entitlement there, but no. Sam: Yeah, Yeah, you think there'd be some special treatment, my god, what's this? Corey: Yeah, you definitely felt bad for him. I think that was the Sam: Mm. Corey: start the catalyst for me and Anita where we're we're not liking where this is going, 'cause it's Sam: Yeah. Corey: he just came back from deployment or, military whatever. And then he's like Sam: Mm. Corey: sentenced to prison for what was it, seven years or or f Yeah. Sam: Seven to ten, I think, or something. No, max Daniel (Pacco): it's a max ten. Yeah. Sam: ten. Daniel (Pacco): I think it was ten and then it was seven or eight year parole that he got good parole or Sam: Yeah. What Corey: Mm. Daniel (Pacco): something like that. Corey: when he's in prison, his letters to his daughter. It was so sweet and I was just like, man, it was yeah, really, really sweet. So Sam: Yeah, I I don't know, I found the prison stuff so kinda stupidly cheesy to start, it was just like 'cause he's he's like, yeah, I can't all I can think about is meeting you and it's like, she can come to the prison, mate. it's not like you can have visitors. Daniel (Pacco): No, no, but he clearly didn't want her but didn't want to see his daughter seeing him in a prison. He mentioned that in the movie if I recall correctly, but makes sense. Sam: Yeah, I know, I know. I get the logic, but no contact versus it's a big eight years is a very long time. Yeah, yeah, but Daniel (Pacco): Yeah, I I'm surprised it's not even a phone call, at least. Yeah, reckon. Sam: it's but it it does get sweet, but also, it feels very like All right, well, all right, we're just gonna wait eight years and then bam, it is eight years later. He's got the the flowing long hair and it's right and there's basically he's been He's been paroled, bam, and he's gonna get released. And hey, did you know it's his daughter's birthday? He doesn't mention it much in the film, but it's he meant, every once in a while there'll be a slight there's a slight thing about it being his daughter's birthday. Yeah. He does go on. He does. Corey: I bet you do. Sam: Yes. July 14. Daniel (Pacco): July fourteen. Sam: Beautiful, beautiful rendition of some cage rage there. And yeah, see, I think does this happen often? Does he he and his cellmate both get released at the same time? That surely is a bit no, that's a bit unrealistic, right? What are the odds, the same day? Corey: I don't know but Daniel (Pacco): I he was it was Nick Cage that was being released on parole, but I think Baby O was just being transferred to another prison. Said he had more time or something. Sam: Okay. Okay. Right. Okay. They're just conveniently on the same flight then. Okay. That's less Daniel (Pacco): gonna casually remove all these notes now, Sam: Yes. Yeah, well. Okay, that makes a little bit more sense. But so his best base is basically along for the ride. He's like, Hey, I've got diabetes, don't worry about it, it won't matter later. It'll fine. It's not gonna be a plot point at all. and then just by random chance, he's they're also going on the plane with the worst of the worst of Ocean's Eleven's baby bad guys, basically. it's got all of them in the one plane at the one time 'cause this is a great idea to have all the worst of the worst. you've heard of the Avengers, wait till you see these guys that are worst of the worst on one plane. And shock, horror, some things go a little bit wrong. So we have the the names of these guys just crack me up. There's it was Billy Bedlam, Johnny twenty three, Diamond Dog, and Cyrus the virus. And of course there's a secret DEA agent on the plane as well, which would show a little bit of black for back and forth with that one, but also quite inconsequential, let's be honest. Nothing really happens with him except for one scene, right? I feel like he's built up to be this character at the start of the film and then well, shit goes down quite quickly, right? Daniel (Pacco): Yep, shit it's fan. Sam: Yeah. the first of all, the no gun rule thing with it's like, we don't have guns or that that would surely have been communicated so much earlier. That's a ridiculous thing that they've got there no, by the way, we do we don't have guns on this flight. It's like are you sure? Daniel (Pacco): Well, that's the part where I was kinda confused with the guy didn't want anything on his plan. It's like just respect the guy's sleep, don't shoot it down, don't bring guns on it. Sam: Yeah, yeah. Then he's like, I'm gonna Corey: Mm. Sam: Yeah. And then didn't exactly turn out well for him, did it? Daniel (Pacco): It's mass murderer slipper or Sam: So they yeah. But he smuggles him he kinda f it's weird. This this the what's it? Larkin, the guy that's like the make he's like, no. I'm not sure it was I think it's the wr th the the mustache guy that's on the plane, he's like, yeah, this is my plane, you're the one that's he's patent down all of the all of the the prisoners, but then the one DEA guy, he th he's like, No no don't worry, I got this and then he's like, sure, that doesn't give a shit. I feel like there's such a hard left turn from it's exactly everything is how I do it and really by the book. no, he's fine. He can do it. He'll do it. That's fine. just really Yeah, bad enough Daniel (Pacco): Don't get paid enough for this, Sam: for this shit. Daniel (Pacco): You'd think though, from what I understand in prisons you wouldn't mix mass murderers with peace. someone's doing an armed theft or whatnot, You think you'd Sam: Yeah, just yeah. Yeah. Daniel (Pacco): I know some were admiring others' cage, I guess you could say, and the flip I don't think. Yeah. Sam: Yeah, yeah. They're like in this weird dog cages type of thing. And then yeah, the the normal flight guys just chillin' there, sitting there, normal, it's first class and then the cages. Just kinda Daniel (Pacco): Ha ha ha. Corey: Yeah. Sam: chilling around. But all right, so we we cut to the plane, takes off, everything's all, they're like it's fine, it's flying and the there's some sort of interactions with some of the with any of the the some of the other prisoners there that are in behind the cage. Do you guys have any Any thoughts on before any of this happened? any your thoughts on the before the the hijacking? Corey: Yeah. It was for me, they're name dropping all the, this criminal did this, and he's in been in prison for this long and showing how badass they are. But I couldn't keep up. It was like too many characters and I'm like, I don't remember who Yeah. But Sam: Mm Yeah. Exposition here. Exposition there. Exposition here. Exposition there. Daniel (Pacco): Yeah. Corey: later on I just realized you don't really ni need to remember who's who. It's just, it's just a gun ho action flick. Sam: No. Just just remember who the rapist is and that's pretty much all you need to know. Daniel (Pacco): Yeah, well he changes Corey: Yeah. Daniel (Pacco): his name every well crime, Sam: Johnny twenty three. Yeah. Yeah, I know, skipping ahead, but she's that line where he's like, After this I'm gonna be Johnny twenty four. whoa, dude. Whoa. Very uncomfortable. when they're on the plane where he goes, if they really knew they'd call me Johnny one eighty or something like that? It's like, Yeah. Corey: Feel like it, yeah. Daniel (Pacco): Yeah, he said something along that. Sam: Very gross. Yeah. I didn't realise till about half of the film that's Danny Trego as well. a young yeah, yeah. I just know him as Corey: Yeah. I d I didn't realise till the credits. Sam: Yeah. And basically until it's just 'cause, he's quite young in this movie and I only know him as an old dude with a mustache. Very weird to see him without it. Daniel (Pacco): I think a lot of our known actors in this movie were fairly young. Nicholas Cage young Sam: Yeah. Yeah. Daniel (Pacco): who's the other one? Malkovich? Fuck that. Yeah. Sam: Yeah, yeah, it's a lot the ca it's a great cast, honestly. how gross was it when they're just before the jail break and they've got the the thi the pins in their skin? I couldn't I it's like fingers are crawling Corey: Mm. Sam: they're p just Daniel (Pacco): yeah, no, explain. You're the one with the the pain threshold of like a a kid, so no, no, you don't wanna explain how it's made you feel. Sam: no. Nah, I couldn't. Ugh. disgusting. Just just just tingles at my back as watching it. I like, can't watch it. There's certain types of injuries I just can't watch and that and just the the slow pull out, just it it Daniel (Pacco): Yeah, but Sam: reminded me of that same if you guys seen a quiet place where she steps on the nail, that same thing, it's Daniel (Pacco): Mm. Sam: like a slow build up where you're like, god, it just it just hurts to watch. Daniel (Pacco): Yeah, but with those nails, Sam: Ha. Daniel (Pacco): you think they just put it slightly under the sea, not to sound like a psychopath or anything, but this was Sam: Yeah. Daniel (Pacco): deep within the muscle. Sam: Yeah. Ooh. Daniel (Pacco): You think they'd have metal detectors back then, transferring these guys, making Sam: Yeah. Daniel (Pacco): sure there's no Corey: Yeah. Daniel (Pacco): ammunition or lighter fluid in their bellies, Sam: Yeah, surely shivs inside of I know shivs inside of inside of prisons are a big issue. surely they would realise that this is something they need to be checking. Corey: You would think so. I guess 'cause they got the handcuffs on, maybe that would just light up in the metal detectors, so But they would have some things. 'Cause later someone Sam: Yeah. Yeah, true. Hmm. Well. Daniel (Pacco): No matter what's Corey: regurgitated something. Sam: Yes, I think so. Yeah. like a was like a a blade or something that came out. Yeah. Daniel (Pacco): Yeah, that's right, yeah. What do you No, Corey: Yeah. that was the liquid. Yeah. Daniel (Pacco): no, it's the line of f yeah, the line of fluid. And what does he say after the lass Sam: Yes. Daniel (Pacco): of the meh because it's burning there? Let it go. Sam: god. Yeah. So basically pinball just sets this guy on fire. Like what the fu he's just like sorry buddy Like what the fuck? Yeah, Daniel (Pacco): Yeah, I have feelings right. Sam: just set him on fire. And then basically they just take over the plane. So yeah, Cyrus the virus being the the big baddie of the food of the film just storms the plane and then gives us the iconic line Welcome. No, thank you for flying Con Air. That was fucking great. I was like, he said the thing. He said the thing that I was thinking. Daniel (Pacco): Yeah. Sam: As I was watching, I was like, this is what Con Air is. Daniel (Pacco): T B Sam: Ding ding ding. Exactly. Corey: I always find it a bit cringy when they say the title of the movie. Daniel (Pacco): Aw, you kidding? I love it. Sam: What do you mean? We're some kind of suicide squad? Corey: Yeah. Yeah, any movie I'm just like, there's the title. sometimes Sam: Yeah. Corey: it's not too bad, but most of the time I'm like, did they really have to do that? Sam: It always it always makes you stand up. It's like, in in the departed it's like, did you know what? know departed? That's the same thing every time. You just your ears prick up when you hear the title of film. Daniel (Pacco): Is that why you gave the wild robot a pretty low rating, Corey? Because they mentioned Sam: Yeah. What is this? Some kind of wild robot? Corey: Yeah, 'cause they kept mentioning the title so many times. Daniel (Pacco): Captain. Sam: So the what kind of threw me is that they take over this plane and then they immediately want to land in the same place that they were gonna land in the first place. That really threw me. Yeah. Corey: but I gotta land there. Daniel (Pacco): I didn't pick up all Sam: as in they take over the plane, and it's like, what's the plan? Continue as as is, land as usual, act like nothing is wrong. It's like, okay, no fight back. Do you also think as pilots, and again, this is probably a nitpick, well it's very much a nitpick, but the pilot and he's like, don't say anything or we'll blow you up or we'll shoot you. It's like, okay, but surely pilots as trained professionals would have certain messages and that could sound like normal communication that would be like, something is wrong. Yes. Yes. Daniel (Pacco): A distress call or something like that, yeah. Sam: Either in a silent one. Actually, do you guys want to know a funny story about a silent distress call? So I used to work at the cinemas long time ago a at Daniel (Pacco): Here we go. Sam: the ticket box and underneath well, in a certain certain places, actually th these things are closed now, so anyway, so it's fine, but there was panic buttons under the registers, right? And I, because I was such a lazy shit, just put my feet up and the and the way the registers were, they were quite down, so you'd to look down at the staff anyway. So there w you could get away with putting your feet up. And I just kinda put my foot up well or something my foot up just a little bit higher and I did not realise that I was constantly hitting the panic button with my foot. and then I'm sitting there, it's a quiet Sunday afternoon. I'm like, there's police coming here. jeez, wonder what's wrong there. Yeah. My manager comes to me, Sam, your foot's on the panic button again. Corey: Again. So it's hap multiple times. And that's why you used to work there. Daniel (Pacco): I can't Sam: Not again, but again Third time this week, Sam. I know. Yes. Daniel (Pacco): That's a warning, a verbal one. Sam: No, I went on to work there for twelve more years, so I think we're fine, but Daniel (Pacco): Think that was just pity employment, Sam, but Sam: Yeah, yeah. But yeah, so don't accidentally hit those panic buttons, hey? But yeah, no panic buttons Daniel (Pacco): Yeah. Sam: on the plane. Which is a bit wild for me. I thought would have thought there'd be something. You could be like, hey, things are not going well. Especially as that it's a like a it's not like a normal airline plane. This is like transporting prisoners, dangerous people. Surely there'll be something here. But no, nothing. Corey: You thought they would have had so many more protocols and yeah, Sam: Mm. Corey: safety things. And it's like especially yeah, when the the the criminals have taken over the plane and then the pilot's Sam: Yeah. Corey: like, and he pulls out a gun in the cockpit Sam: Yeah. Corey: and he's like, I'll go back and sort them out and it's like, No, just lock the door so they can't get in like Sam: Yeah. Also, he he like the like you'd think they have one gun inside a lockbox. Okay, fair enough. He's like, all right, better get the gun out. It's like, alright. And he the way he sticks it out, surely you'd be fucking smarter about this. open the door, clear the door. it's d so easy to like. Daniel (Pacco): You think yeah, you think the pilots will be at least a little bit trained for such a scenario like this. How many times have they been flying Sam: Yeah. Yeah, surely Daniel (Pacco): this plane? They said a hundred and fifty thousand prisoners a year or something like that? Like Matt, come on. Sam: Yeah. This is wild. It's wild stuff. Daniel (Pacco): But then again, when this movie was released, I guess security on a plane might have been a bit more slack pre nine eleven, but I don't know, that's my two cent. It was Sam: I was gonna say this I've got comments on this later, but the plot of this film, if this was if this was to happen in real life, especially after nine eleven, would be the second that it was taken over, unfortunately it would be blown out of the sky very quickly. Corey: Probably. Sam: Yeah. There's Daniel (Pacco): Mm. Sam: no yeah, this the this is a fantastic plot of a film for nine ninety seven. Two anything, two thousand and one onwards this film does it might get made, but yeah, it gets bl it gets shot very quickly. Very quickly out of the Daniel (Pacco): Yeah. Sam: sky. Corey: 'Cause yeah, I I'll yeah, I got something to add on, but it's jumping ahead of the movie. Yeah. Daniel (Pacco): Yeah, I'll save it for later. Yeah, yeah. Sam: Yes. So they land as scheduled and they swap some inmates and they have an opportunity. It's such a weird thing. They're you can get off now if you want. They're like, Okay, it's so weird, and the ground crew, and there's this this sandstorm thing. So Daniel (Pacco): Yeah, but how funny w they had to Yeah, they had to replace the people that they shot randomly on the plane by accident. Sam: Yeah. Yeah, they're like, shit, we better do no. and no one Daniel (Pacco): but Sam: no one really raises an alarm. It's this weird thing there's this weird standoff but they're all wearing masks for some like 'cause there's a sandstorm and they're like, This is weird, but okay, everyone's just standing there. No one Yeah, yeah, I know. So convenient. Imagine if it's like perfect weather and green Corey: Yeah, that worked out perfect. But there was a sandstorm and Yeah. Daniel (Pacco): Just coinc so coincidental. Sam: blue skies. It would have been fantastic for Corey: Yeah. Sam: Yeah. It's the one flaw in their plan that just happened to be covered up by a standstorm. No worries at all. So we pick up a few extra passengers and at the last second, of course and and so pinball ditches the transponder, pulls it they get pulled out, and he just goes and puts it in a random plane and then starts chatting up a lady because ain't got nothing better to do. Right? Get back on the plane. And and then it's a little bit of a a message or Poe puts a message on was it like the recorder with one of the 'cause they've gagged everyone that goes out there. and Poe doesn't want to leave. He's No no no I'm I'm not leaving without my friends here. it's we're basically we're stuck here. I'm I'm staying on this plane until unless he gets his insulin, I'm I'm staying here right now. Nothing's going wrong here. and so he convinces them that he has fifteen years and decides that he wants to stay on the plane. So it's like, yeah, cool, 'cause they're not exactly the brightest sparks in the tool shed, so they're cool, no worries, you'll he's back on board. and yeah. Corey: To just jump in in here. But I get he's a military guy and he has to do the right thing. But he's waited eight years or however long to see his daughter for the first time and he could just get off and go and see her and his wife. And I'm like, just Sam: Yeah. Yeah. Corey: do something selfish. Just go and do that. Sam: Yeah. Daniel (Pacco): And credits. just that was a twenty minute movie. Sam: Yeah. Yeah, pretty pretty much. Yeah. It does feel like that. You're Corey: Yeah, yeah. Finish this movie already. Sam: like, he could have just Corey: Yeah. Sam: you know why? Why did he do that? He Corey: Mm. Sam: just feels so annoyed. It's like, what is this going on here? is it her birthday? he never mentioned that. Yeah. wow, he Corey: Yeah, 'cause it's her birthday, all those messages when he's in prison, the daughter's birthday. Yeah. Sam: never mentioned it. Daniel (Pacco): it was Cyrus' day. shit. Okay, no worries. Corey: What? Sam: And the idea that he could have got 'cause really there's not much anyone could really do on the plane. The whole time. He could have gotten off the plane and someone probably still would have looked after them and he could have gotten the message somewhere and it would have been, not the plot of the film. He doesn't like I know he does a few things But he doesn't really have that much effect on the overall plot, does he? he until there has a bit of a standoff, the whole film. he has a few small, integrating pieces, but really he's just along for the ride, isn't he? Daniel (Pacco): Yeah, look I think he's just tryna play things a bit under the radar, you know what I mean? So I yeah, you don't wanna be caught out on a plane. Sam: Yes, yes. This is true. He's under the radar, then they threw the radar out, so Corey: Mm-hmm. Daniel (Pacco): you got this whole D E A fellow coming on the play and he reveals who he is and it's like bam, you're gone. It's like come on man like y you get it gr this whole thing growing about you. Sam: Yes. Yeah, shot straight away. Yeah. Yeah, I thought he was gonna be there for I thought he was gonna be there for a lot longer. I like, this, this is a DEA agent and Poe are gonna team up and take the plane back. No, that guy is dead instantly. there's no bam, bam, bam, bam, he dead. really dead, really quickly. Corey: No real significance to the plot at all. Sam: No, none at all. Daniel (Pacco): Yeah, it does. Sam: Yeah. Yeah. The biggest part of the plot that he has is that the his boss is like, I'm gonna get revenge on those son of a bitch and but even then he doesn't really do it that guy doesn't really do anything with the plot either. It's like, I'm Daniel (Pacco): sí Sam: gonna get them, but he's always following the wrong lead. Daniel (Pacco): Yeah, it's it seems like the the fuckwit of the the team, Everything is my way or the highway, but I don't know, if someone proves Sam: Yeah. Corey: Mm. Daniel (Pacco): me wrong then they get all the glory, Sam: Exactly. Exactly. So yeah, he's dead. they take off from their second spot and Pinball doesn't really make it. He's like it's it's he's he's chasing after the plane and they take off. So goodbye, Pinball. It turns out he did make it on the plane and got crushed by the landing gear, which is very unfortunate for him. That must have been a really painful death when he could have just sat in the sandstorm and been fine. Maybe gone back to prison. But yeah, not dead. Corey: I was pretty happy with that outcome. I didn't like him. Well, he burnt like his his passenger mate, just put him on fire and I'm Daniel (Pacco): No. Sam: Yes. Yes, it's true. This is true. Daniel (Pacco): He said no hard feelings, come on mate. if you're gonna burn somebody, yeah, a hundred percent. Sam: Yeah, yeah, mate. When Yeah. There's no Corey: that redains it. Sam: hard feelings, there's no hard feelings. So then this guy named Bedford works out that Poe is actually free to go and 'cause some sometimes he's going through all their gear at the under the under the thing. He's like, I found your parole paperwork. Which is is that usually in the people do you people usually ha keep their parole paperwork with their personal items? That feels like a little bit of a miss, Yes. Corey: We'll ask Daniel about that one, he'll know. Sam: Yeah. Daniel (Pacco): yeah, my history, I guess digital identity didn't really exist back then, so you might want something like this. Unless you wanna wait three weeks Sam: Ha ha ha Daniel (Pacco): for it to be faxed through. Just my two cents. Sam: So he has to kill someone for the first time, I'm pretty sure. That's the first kill in the film, right? Is the guy is is Bedford under in the Yeah, on the plane, yep. Corey: On the plane. Yeah. Daniel (Pacco): On the plane, yeah? Sam: Yes, that's the first time he kills someone directly. So so yeah, he kill obviously he killed the guy at the start of the film, but Daniel (Pacco): But was it? Sam: that was an accident. This guy, he definitely meant to kill him because he's like, Well, if I don't kill him Corey: That was no, it was a it was an accident. 'Cause yeah, you fell on the pipe Daniel (Pacco): it it's it can't seem like an accident. Do I I don't know, I'm in I'm in Corey: thing. Sam: But remember, he's Daniel (Pacco): yeah, Sam: a deadly weapon, guys. Daniel (Pacco): Mate. sorry, another ten years, okay. Just play mate. Sam: Yeah. Corey: could you imagine the end of the movie he saved everyone and then they put him in handcuffs like another ten years for you, mate? You're a deadly weapon. Yeah. Sam: That's it, mate. You're a deadly weapon. Daniel (Pacco): No, per body, per body. isn't that the ending? shit. man. No, but he didn't intentionally Sam: Yeah. that's the ending we all would have wanted. So they they decide Daniel (Pacco): take out the pipe though. That just came out on its own, right? that was self-defense. He saw him later, Sam: Yeah. Daniel (Pacco): he was looking at his hands like no not again. He should have Corey: Yeah, he he didn't want to kill Sam: What have I done? So Daniel (Pacco): put the bunny back in the box. Corey: man, I love that Sam: Yes, true. man. Corey: line. That was so Daniel (Pacco): Ha ha ha. Corey: good. Put the bunny back in the box. Sam: should have put the Yeah, that bunny. Yeah. God. But Daniel (Pacco): good stuff. Sam: and then we find out they're going to land at Lerner Airfield, which is some basically at an abandoned junkyard. and so Joan Cusack's character is just like, Fuck it, I'm gonna take I'm gonna take the Porsche or whatever it is to to get there quicker. But That's it. Shh. and he's decking the car there. But the other guys are chasing after the transponder, which is in a light scenic plane. I was so sure this plane was gonna be blown to pieces and then they were gonna they were gonna shoot a rocket, knock him out and then it was gonna be like, no, we've killed all those innocent people. But that didn't happen. This I was really not hoping, but I just thought thematically that's where the film was going and it didn't get there. that was a s I thought there could have been it's just to really raise the stakes to be like, they've just killed innocent people. I thought that's where it was going. Corey: Yeah, that would have sucked, but I really Daniel (Pacco): Yeah. Corey: I hated how they introduced how they Daniel (Pacco): They went head on into that, didn't they? Yeah. Corey: Yeah, yeah, that was the thing. Sam: When over the Corey: It was so silly because they've got the transponder, so they've got it at GPS located, Sam: Yeah. Corey: and they're like, it's heading straight towards us over this rise and instead they just go head Sam: Yeah. Better h head them on them, yeah. Daniel (Pacco): Yeah, this cliff or whatever, yeah. Corey: straight over and just miss it. I was just like, that's that's silly. I know it's meant to be cinematic, but I was like, That's stupid. Sam: Exactly. Daniel (Pacco): It Yep. Yeah but look Yeah, I I Yeah, but I a Sam: Ha. Daniel (Pacco): little we know it's a little plane at the moment, but if they were gonna go head on to a frickin' jumbo jet those helicopters won't stand a chance, surely. That thing's made a a a fort. Sam: Yeah. Yeah, exactly. It's only 'cause it was a scenic flight that they were the bigger fish there. Corey: There's always a bigger fish. Sam: There's always a bigger Daniel (Pacco): Okay. Sam: fish. Ugh, what a line. So, Daniel (Pacco): Next boot. Corey: Ha ha. Sam: if only. So, we get to the derelict strip and it's just a wasteland there. Turns out the the main the the the traffic controller guy, he's dead. So there's another guy trying to trying to land there and then it almost crashes into into Con Air, which is a bit a bit wild. But he luckily jumps out of the plane and then it's like Hey, we you fucking idiots. fuck and then just takes off no fucking tomorrow 'cause he's he's like, I'd rather die in the fucking desert than get shot by a bunch of criminals So that's yeah. Corey: I love that part. He's like cursing and swearing at him, then he sees them like in their yeah, convict clothes and the guns and he's like, Shit, I'm out of here. Sam: Yeah. Doesn't go for his plane, he just takes off. Daniel (Pacco): Yeah, I know. Why does he just go off into this fucking desert man? Sam: Get back and So as soon as this plane as Connair landed, I was like, this plane is not gonna wear. This is where the last stand is. The fact that they jumping ahead b a little bit but the fact that they managed to get this plane airborne again after how it landed is ridiculous. That's the suspension of disbelief gone. Corey: The whole movie was ridiculous. Sam: No no, up to this point, Daniel (Pacco): One night. Sam: anything of that could have happened. we know what we didn't talk about though, is that the how they how how the the authorities found out about it being Lerner Airfield is that after after Poe kills the guy, he's like or just before, he writes a note on on Pinball's body and just fucking drops him out of the sky. Yeah, Daniel (Pacco): Drops. Sam: yeah. That could be dangerous. Corey: And it's like that that could have killed some people and another ten years on his Daniel (Pacco): Ten years. Geez. Sam: Yeah, right. And if that guy wasn't dead, he sure is now. what if he was just lightly unconscious and he's just dropped him out of the fucking the sky? Walk it off, mate. Daniel (Pacco): Just walk it off, Sam. Just walk it off. Sam: Just walk it off. Daniel (Pacco): it was all self-defense and all he's done some pretty reckless stuff in this movie, dropping bodies from a height. Yeah, the the self-defense, yeah, that's one thing. But dropping Sam: Yeah. Less self defense. Yeah. Yeah. Daniel (Pacco): a body in this from the sky, landing on some pedestrian's car, come on. Corey: It felt bad for that couple. It was like an elderly couple, they're just enjoying the day and then bam their cars totaled. Sam: Yeah. It's Daniel (Pacco): Yeah, but Yeah, but okay, look, Sam: all right. They're rich they're rich boomers. They're fine. They'll be fine. Daniel (Pacco): they weren't injured but they could have gone a heart attack. Yeah, that's twenty Corey: Yeah Sam: So they decide that now's a good time to f they were supposed to have a big plane meet them at this air at the airship. They were gonna change planes for I'm not exactly sure why. Because honestly, they have lost the transponder, they're not being tracked. What is the issue with just continuing on? I was very confused about that one. Corey: It makes sense. You go. Daniel (Pacco): big jump yeah, yeah, I was just saying it's a bit conspicuous going around in the American skies for a massive jumbo jet. That's pretty recognizable. Sam: This is true. Yeah. Daniel (Pacco): But when you get to reveal what the other plane looked like, Sam: Yeah, yeah. So that was quite confusing. So, and it took me a second to work out what was going on there. And so basically, who is his name? S Sin Cindino. Cindino? He's basically has just double crossed them and he's he's organized for the jet for himself and his mates to pick him up and just basically to peace off. And instead of taking everyone, he's like, You know what? Fuck it. We're gonna we're just I don't need you guys. But things don't go well when he sneaks off and jumps in the plane. And boom boom, shoot shoot, basically. Daniel (Pacco): Yeah. and he's he's in the petrol and all the things, he's doused in light feel and he's like Sam: Yeah. Daniel (Pacco): begging for Osiris the virus, don't burn me, and he's like Sai and then he then he gets the lotter off the Sam: that's right, yes. He gets thrown up yeah. Daniel (Pacco): other guy who's like Onara He's just ha ha Sam: Yeah, I'll surprisingly a lot of people burnt alive in this film. Like a lot of people. Happens Daniel (Pacco): Alright, that's one. Who's the second one? Sam: The guy in the the the guy in the seat in the plane, then this guy. Daniel (Pacco): but he didn't get burnt alive, he was just burning while alive, it's kinda it's just yeah, Sam: Just singed. Slightly lightly crispy. Lightly crispy. This guy's a full spit roast. Daniel (Pacco): well Yes, yes. Huh. Sam: so we also didn't talk about so who is it? Baby O is like, I'm on my last legs, I need my insulin now. And he's like and Nicholas Cage is like, Okay, let me go take at least half an hour or so just to chat to a few people and then find find a a syringe that then maybe I'll slowly come back to give you your insulin. That it all is fine. Right? Daniel (Pacco): A A com on that one line you can't do all that talking and not throw that one line. Sam: Okay, okay. All right. Well tell us about the one line, Pacco. Daniel (Pacco): I think Corey liked it as much as I do. all the one liner, Corey. Corey: Yeah. Or yeah, Baby O is like he's like, the what's the point of c Daniel (Pacco): Of God. Corey: carrying on? I don't believe in God. And then what does Nick Cage say? Daniel (Pacco): I'm gonna prove to you God does exist. And Corey: Yeah. Daniel (Pacco): he gets up, macho as fuck, low angle camera, and then a guitar, background. Sam: This is true. This Corey: That was bad off. Yeah. Sam: is true. and then where are we at here? So the cyanar. Daniel (Pacco): It's just the movie's just full of these one liners and just I come on. Who who thinks Sai or Nara? come on, man. It's just it's just ballsy Sam: Ha Daniel (Pacco): all the way through, that's all. That's all. Sam: So the National Guard comes in and they're basically they're like I first of all I love that they're like, you they've got a bit of a lookout going on. It's like, I can see them there. How long have we got? It's like, about ten minutes. I don't know about you guys, but can you visually work out ten minutes from yeah, they'll be here in ten minutes. it's just a Corey: We cracked up at that part. Anita's just like how the hell can you tell from that distance there'll be ten minutes, the speed they're going and everything? It's Sam: Yeah. It's a secret skill. Yeah. Yeah. Hm, yeah. Daniel (Pacco): Checks out, checks out. Corey: Yeah. Sam: Yeah, I was like, god, it just made me giggle. But then yeah, so the National Guard rocks up. Daniel (Pacco): Hey, it's a blockbuster movie. Don't question it. Sam: and then they they so suddenly Cyrus the Virus is a tactical genius. I know he is a little bit, but he's like, yes, we we can and he's he's like working out how to make a killbox out of essentially a place he's never been before and all this it's just such a weird Yeah, h how is he suddenly everything is like they're like, we're gonna ha th they'll definitely do this and then with no backup and then we'll just shoot them in this kill box. You're like, Uh-huh. It just and they do it anyway though. It's so weird. it's just it just felt very like and then suddenly the plane is also ready to fly again. they were like sh like it's fucking buried. But Daniel (Pacco): Yeah. Sam: then suddenly, no, we can get it going in just a minute. Corey: I got two things. Where did the guns come from? It looks like they went Sam: Yeah. Corey: back to the plane to get all those guns, but there's not meant to be guns on the plane, Sam: Yeah Yeah Corey: so I was very confused where they got those guns from. Sam: I I think they did say at a certain point in the film they're like they're saying, there was an they're like, we better, be careful they may have found an armory. But why is there an Daniel (Pacco): Yeah. Sam: armory in a f in an abandoned yard like a l trash trash yard? Daniel (Pacco): I thought it was found on the plane. Is it not found on the plane? on the outside? Yeah. Yeah. Sam: How would it be on the plane? They said there was no guns on the plane pack or they couldn't have been more clear about the no guns on the plane rule. Daniel (Pacco): just like the birthday rule, Okay, man, I didn't pick up on that either. No, but how Sam: Yes. Daniel (Pacco): funny was that whole when they're trying to set up the whole how to back them up and all that, but the whole shooting scene and the guy's like, what's that rock? That's a rock. And just Sam: Yeah. Corey: That was funny. Sam: you know what we haven't we haven't really talked about is Steve Buscemi's character, the what was his name? Green, is it? Yeah. Just Garland Daniel (Pacco): shit, yeah. green. Garland green or something like that. Sam: Green, just this guy that fucking eats people. They're like, this'll be fun. Let's throw Daniel (Pacco): Yeah. It gets Sam: the Joker into the mix here. and then but then he just he just gets out and you they're a bit creepy and like, okay, what a weirdo. But then he just goes and has tea and plays with this kid like young kid and you're like, no, this is this is not good. Daniel (Pacco): I heard that scene had a bit of controversy back in the day because everyone was thinking, it's not gonna eat that fucking girl, is he like? Sam: Mm. Corey: then it ends with yeah, doesn't it have a shot of the the table with the doll in the pool empty pool area and she's not there? To imply sinister happened. Daniel (Pacco): Yeah, that's yeah. Sam: Yeah, yeah, you're like, no, he definitely fucking killed her. And then they just show a shot of her like, bye, Mrs. Friendly Guy, whatever he says. you're like, What? Where did this this come from? He's like talking about how Daniel (Pacco): Of but I've entered. Sam: he loved to eat people and then suddenly he's like, you what, I'm gonna leave her alone. Daniel (Pacco): But I don't know about you guys, but for someone that's meant to sound so like you said, sinister, he eats people, he's got the mask and everything on. He just seems like a really chill guy, if you ask me. He just seemed like Sam: Mm. Yeah, very Hannibal Lectorish. Yeah. He's the most normal looking dude on the plane, yeah. But he does say some Daniel (Pacco): I w I what's that? Sam: creepy things when they're like, what would you just say but I'm I love killing people or something. He's a bit of a definitely a psycho. Daniel (Pacco): Yeah, but what what is that one line? Let's just jump in a little bit though, and it's like define irony. Sam: Yes. Daniel (Pacco): People crazy prisoners on a plane listening to a song by a band who died in a plane crash, and I was like, shit. Yeah. I don't know, for someone Sam: Yeah, she's like, dear. Daniel (Pacco): that's a bit of for someone a bit of a psycho, I reckon he's got a bit of brains in that movie. It's just the wrong kind of brains. Sam: Yeah. Yes. Yeah. He's eaten plenty of brains. Corey: And then wasn't there another part where they said, you're insane or something? And he's like, isn't working like nine till five five days a week for seventy years, isn't that insane? And y Sam: Yeah. Eighty hours a week, yeah, yeah. Yeah. yeah. Daniel (Pacco): fifty years of Corey: Yeah. He had some points where I was like, he seems like a wise wizard sort of a guy. Yeah. Sam: The wide wizard that eats people. Daniel (Pacco): Yeah, but for someone that they make so e again, so evil. They didn't do anything evil compared to Cyrus and Swamp Thing and Johnny. Sam: Yeah. No. No. Well, I was gonna say Johnny twenty three really so Mr he goes after the guard Sally and yeah, that gets a quite yeah, you're like, very uncomfortable moment, but thank God, thank God Poe. Yeah. I that yeah, Daniel (Pacco): Don't treat what am I like then? Sam: that that line, don't treat women like that. it's like a yes, you are technically correct, but much worse than don't treat women like don't rape Daniel (Pacco): Yeah. Sam: women is a very similar and a pr stronger sentence to say don't treat people like that. that's that's We tell our children to say that to not do things don't treat people like that when you whack them on and they're like they they're being a bit of aggressive. Not because it's just yeah, the scope of that line really didn't didn't do it justice. No, no. Yeah. But Daniel (Pacco): Well, I don't think this was the children's movie set, so I don't think they could have just got away from there. Sam: yes, he said thank God, Poe saves saves him and then he just handcuffs him to hang there basically. And that's pretty much him, going. it's he's not in a good spot, so we can forget about Johnny twenty three. He's gone to Johnny Zero now. he gone. But how Daniel (Pacco): One arm in the ground. Yeah, yeah, okay. Sam: Now the plane takes off in that last second, and surely we all love this. That there's fucking the opening riff of Sweet Home Alabama just kicks in. That it's just a fucking vibe, right? The needle drops down, you're like, yeah, okay. what a banger of a song though, that absolutely just I don't know. I fe sometimes I forget how good that 'cause I feel like it's one of those songs, I know we talked about this extensively last week, but Corey and I studied music in high school and I feel like it's one of those songs that when people get at get shown shown some chords on a guitar, they're like, Hey you say play Sweet Home Alabama and it's like doom da do do do and it's like that fuck it's like smoke on the water in a way. everyone Daniel (Pacco): Yeah. Sam: can he everyone knows how to play it so it kinda loses its its fun. But then when you hear it in the right context, you're like, fuck yeah that that is a good riff. That Yeah, Daniel (Pacco): It's a vibe, yeah. Sam: it's a vibe and it hits the right moment at the right time. And it but it ends too soon. I would have liked to have to let that play out a bit more. A bit more party on the plane. let Con Air fly again. Daniel (Pacco): Yeah. Corey: That should be your title for the podcast. Let Con Air fly again. I fly Sam: Yes. Corey: Con Air. Sam: God. But Daniel (Pacco): Right. Sam: so Baby O is all good. He's had his insulin, everyone's all good, and then he just no Daniel (Pacco): Can we just jump on that? How fast does insulin jump in on people, man? he was up and ready to go. Sam: I don't know. But yeah, I assume it probably takes a while. it's when you're having a a high or a is it a fit I know there's a few different terms than that. When when things go wrong, it's not a good time. So when you're lack of insulin and it's a yeah, it's not a good time. So probably not. But for the sake of the movie, I Daniel (Pacco): Yeah, I thought he would have gone from deathbed that yeah, yeah, okay. Sam: think we can say that this guy has some magic healing powers because also he takes a bullet and a few bullets in the like he should be quite dead quite quickly. but spoiler alert, he is fine. The movie is like, okay, all good. Yeah, you're fine. Checks out. Took a few bullets and he walks away. No worries when they when they land. So this guy must have some kind of magic healing powers we don't know about. Daniel (Pacco): Does that showing God does exist? Does that come at this scene after he gets shot? I remember reading a documentary or something about this film, but the amount of times the script just kept getting changed and changed and changed and it was coming to the point when people didn't know what this movie was about in the end. It just Sam: Yeah. It's a it does it it it i it's in a weird way because it has a simple premise of like A to B, get from here to here. There you could be shooting this film and just making shit up on the fly and it's pro it's not uncommon for Hollywood to actually start, these big blockbuster films without a finished script. They just shoot what they get and and put it together in post. But yeah, you I think you can tell there were probably a couple of script revisions, heavy script revisions on this film at certain points because you can see the part the major set pieces are all there, but yeah, the the sometimes the plot doesn't exactly line up. Daniel (Pacco): Yeah, no, from what I remember reading it was like just actors were just cracking the ship they changed Sam: Yeah. Daniel (Pacco): this bit up, they changed that up. But I I Sam: Ha ha Daniel (Pacco): guess that's why they make these whole one liners so perfect in the movie come on, there's never a dull moment. just yeah, testosterone, Sam: Ha ha ha. Daniel (Pacco): lead breaks, Sam: So they're I love that they're partying on the on on Con Air, having a great time, and then basically they're like, Let's shoot this fucking plane down. There's no one in here. it's gonna be clear. Unfortunately, all the casualties are s are small but will be severe but small. we it's it's the safest thing to do now. probably would have been the safest thing to do a few hours ago, but now where they're like, Alright, let's shoot this plane down and they're like, No no, don't shoot this plane down, we can land it safely, don't worry. They're like Alright, we believe you. And then cuts to literally moments later, they're like, I don't think we can land this thing. They're like hovering over Vegas and they're like there's civilians fucking everywhere and they crash land on the strip. And I know it didn't explicitly state, but guys, come on, people one hundred percent fucking died in this. there were definitely there's debris everywhere They they were hitting a a a a civilian population. I've been to V I went to Vegas when I was fifteen years old. That place is packed at all times of the day. There is th there is no way people didn't die in this when they crashed into the strip. Daniel (Pacco): So you're telling me Nicolas Cage probably got fifteen life sentences out of this whole scene alone? Sam: Yes, absolutely. Manslaughter. Yes. He's going straight to prison, non parole for life. Yeah. Cut to the sequel, Conchair. Corey: He's getting the chair. Daniel (Pacco): I don't know, I think I changed it anyway. Gun shit off back off. Corey: That was something yeah, 'cause the like Sam: It's electric. Corey: God. Sam: Con chair two electric bigolo. Corey: But yeah, going back to Sam: Ha ha ha. Corey: the people that were like following them, how they they went Sam: Yeah. And the choppers. Corey: yeah, yeah, they went to the wrong plane, then they found the correct one, they're following that, just before they hit the Vegas strip. And I'm just like, Sam: Yes. Corey: shoot it down, 'cause yeah, they could just fly straight in and kill more people. And it's like Sam: Yeah, which they definitely did. Corey: Yeah. And 'cause the other guy's response was, Don't you shoot that don't you shoot my plane down? He kept saying Sam: Yeah. Yeah. Corey: And it's like, there's offices in there and it's like, what, Sam: Yeah. Corey: five or six offices first potential hundreds of people. Yeah. Daniel (Pacco): hundreds of thousand people. Sam: Who they specifically mention d that signed non hostage clauses. So basically means that if the Corey: Mm. Sam: plane is taken over, shoot us down. They have it in writing and they decide not to do it. This is not a good look for them. Daniel (Pacco): No, but he wants to go home and meet his wife and child. Sam: Because it's his it's his daughter's birthday, remember? We hadn't we haven't mentioned it. Little known fact it's his daughter's birthday. Corey: What baby is. Sam: Baby O. Daniel (Pacco): But just wasn't it during that scene? Because that scene when that whole thing happens, Baby O gets shot, the helicopters come and they start shooting the plane, Nick Cage gets up and he starts punching this is where they f get he gets revealed as he's the guy, the mastermind trying to stop the plane, blah blah blah. But Sam: Yeah. It was him the whole time. Daniel (Pacco): yeah, and if fucking Cyrus comes up and he's like, You make another move and the bunny gets it and just like, come on, date. When you hear that line does it yeah, does Sam: It's the bunny. Daniel (Pacco): if anyone else said that, does you think it'd just be a stupid line, but because he said it it just makes it so cool. Sam: He does John Malkovich's delivery, I must say, in this film is fantastic. How he he just has this menacing it's not like Bond villain, twisting the mustache. It's very black ops rogue, ha mastermind, knows everything, n knows your next move before before you do kind of thing. he really portrays it very well. Daniel (Pacco): seriously, I was like, Whoa, whoa, I'll stop, just don't have the money, Sam: Yeah, don't hurt the bunny, goddammit. So speaking of the bunny, Daniel (Pacco): This is like the second movie in the road with bunnies. The heck. Sam: and so so the plane crash lands into Vegas, the strip, and miraculously everyone in the in the plane survived, although we definitely had casualties on the ground there. somehow they escape onto a fire truck, right? How the fuck did the bunny get on the fire truck? Like of all the things to make sure you bring on the fire truck, he suddenly decides to bring the bunny. what the fuck? 'Cause Daniel (Pacco): I didn't s yeah, I never saw the bunny on the fire truck. Sam: with the end as a last shot before it all goes tits up, he has the bunny there and you're like, How did that get there? Daniel (Pacco): It's just holding it back. I Corey: Mm-hmm. Daniel (Pacco): don't know, I feel like I never watch this scene again. Sam: And then it runs down the the stream, the river thing after after he gets squashed and his face gets a little squishy squishy. at the end it it's he's just th the bunny is somehow just on the ground there and he's like, picks that up and then tries to give it to his daughter who's like, That's disgusting. Daniel (Pacco): Yeah, you're not my dad. Corey: Yeah. Doesn't he wipe it off and he's like, Here you go. Sam: Yeah. And he's like, Daniel (Pacco): It's just coming in blood and grey sense of framewater. Sam: Yeah. it's basically planes, trains and automobiles at this point, 'cause every form of transport is used and they're like, Hey, we've just gotta make sure for the last chase of the film that we get police motorcycles and a fire truck. That's the important stuff here, right? every motor transport is is used in this film. Corey: I loved that opening scene of the police bikes and you just see Sam: Yeah. Corey: it's like a low ground shot on the Sam: Yeah. Corey: street and the donut just drops down and then the two wheels or I have a bike just go off straight ahead. Yeah. Sam: Ha Corey: I just it was like, a typical policeman, it's like he having donuts and yeah, it was good. Sam: And and Cage has got his his hair flowing in the back and it's like he's flying, it's the long hair is just going is going nuts there. It's quite a glorious shot there. Nick Cage just goes full Nick Cage basically and and just takes him out. and all is well. He s somehow miraculously survives, basically. and then he Corey: And then doesn't the doesn't the the Eda guy, the cannibal, he's he escapes. Sam: Yes. Daniel (Pacco): Yeah, and no one even thinks to look out for him. Sam: I love that. Corey: Nye. Sam: That was so great. It's like of all the things that like the joke he's in and of the joke is like I'm feeling lucky today. And dear, that's a choice. but I did really like the meeting he had with his daughter and the reunion with his wife. I thought that was really sweet. Of all of us such a an action film. and one thing I really liked, which was quite realistic in a way, was that the daughter wasn't like, Daddy, she was like nervous and you could see and that kid was a great actor. Daniel (Pacco): Yeah, I who are you? Yeah. Sam: Yeah, and it was sweet and it made me feel like it just it just had that little emotional moment that just and I think that really gave it heart. Daniel (Pacco): Think Sam wants to have ten years and grow his hair out and all that. Yeah, get the mullet going, Sam: baby. I don't think Daniel (Pacco): come on. Sam: God. God no. But it's it was just so sweet and you you just felt that it was like a again, it w it's such a s crazy stupid film that it was a very sweet moment in the end. And I was like, it just warmed my heart in the end there. Corey: It was very warm in. Hmm. That was yeah, it Sam: no, did it Daniel (Pacco): It was a nice touch of an Indy, yeah. I'd say so. Corey: was the nice happy ending that I like, which is Sam: Yeah. Corey: he's back with his family and it's all good and yeah. If he just hopped off the plane Sam: it's a happy ending. Good to know. Corey: at the beginning with when he was meant to, we could have seen his family sooner. But anyway, he g he made it in the end. Sam: Yes. He got there. Took the long way home, but he got there. Corey: Yeah. Daniel (Pacco): End question. Well you guys already said what you liked in the film and all that stuff, but Sam: or like Yeah. Daniel (Pacco): what did you like? What didn't you like? Sam: it was just a fun time. it was just a really good stupid popcorn flick that just with a lot of heart to it as well, with that the ending with the daughter and it just it just made you feel good, but it was also just a lot of fun. I think it was a fantastic choice and it's definitely something that I would recommend for other people to watch if you haven't seen it. it's a classic for a reason. So there's a reason that we for some reason I hadn't seen it, but it it's yeah, instant classic. Daniel (Pacco): I'm really surprised. Surprised you haven't seen it. jeez. What about you, Corey? Likes, dislikes? Corey: Yeah. Yeah. I I seen it before once, but I didn't realise until halfway through the movie. those movies where you're like, I've never seen this, and then something familiar happens, you're like, actually, I think I have seen this way back, but you can't remember it. so I had that. But it was overall it was decent. It was good. yeah, full full action. I reckon like my younger self would have loved it because I was more I don't know, more into action and rough grit and just, I don't know. Yeah, action. Sam: Now he's just a sissy. Daniel (Pacco): Yeah. He grew up guys, he grew up. Yeah. He he's not allowed to watch action movies anymore. Sam: Ha ha ha. Corey: I'm married now, okay? So it's all rom coms these days. Sam: Yeah. Daniel (Pacco): sh Ron Cole with Nick Cage. Okay. Corey: Yeah. But I don't know, Sam: god. Corey: it was great, but at the same time I could just pick what was the what was gonna happen. I don't know, it was just very predictable. And then it Sam: Hmm. Corey: pissed me off a lot of the times too. It's like that wouldn't have happened in real life I know it's a movie, but I'm like re in re realistically I'm like that wouldn't have happened, that plan wouldn't have happened, this wouldn't have carried on to this stage and all that. So and I don't really like seeing the baddies win and stay with winning throughout the movie until the end. Sam: Yeah. Corey: Essentially. So I think that was my main gripe was that part. Yep, the baddies went in. Sam: Yeah. Okay. Daniel (Pacco): Come on, it's a thriller, mate. It's a thriller or action Sam: Yeah. I just thought about then is that it it's it's shot really well for a big action blockbuster. It's not like a Daniel (Pacco): Yeah. Sam: it it's not generically cinematography is beautiful. it's some really nice shots in there that yeah, it could be it could very easily just be a generic action blockbuster shot, but it it it's some really nice shots in there and Yeah, with the sweeping planes or the really nice kind of artistic shots, there's a lot in there that's just enjoyable to look at. Daniel (Pacco): I love how they really focus on practical effects. yeah, I get the time where it came in. I think it was only Sam: Yeah. Daniel (Pacco): ten percent CGI, especially at the runway of Vegas, Sam: Yeah. Daniel (Pacco): you wanna get a plane flying over Vegas and all that, surely or crash landing, but no, I just Sam: Yeah. Daniel (Pacco): love the just the practical effects, the explosions. Sam: Yeah. Daniel (Pacco): if I didn't realise who the director was, which I'm trying to find who it is, it was like Simon or something like that, director Simon West. I I thought it was a Michael Bain movie all this time to be honest. Sam: Yeah. Corey: There was a lot of explosions and there was quite Daniel (Pacco): It was, they were. Corey: a few times of Nick Cage is like running and in the background there's an explosion or flames and all that. And I was like, that's probably where hello. That's probably where auto superhero movies like Iron Man when there's his walk in and in the background there's an explosion. I was like, this is probably where that originated from. Possibly but Sam: Yeah. Good Daniel (Pacco): Yeah, right. Sam: homage to that, yeah. Daniel (Pacco): Yeah, but Corey: Mm. Daniel (Pacco): I was just gonna jump in. When you get movies that are well let's say prior two thousand, especially eighties, a and Cam was mentioning Sam was mentioning earlier with the camera techniques. Sam: Who the fuck is Cam? Daniel (Pacco): Anywho, anywho. But it's just the the shots were done well in this. For a movie that's in ninety seven, you expect something a bit more generic, you know what I mean? But no, I Sam: Mm. Daniel (Pacco): I find this movie was very well filmed. Corey was mentioning, the donut seams with the cop button. I know that's generic as L but it was pretty cool. just for the lighting Corey: I swear Daniel (Pacco): and everything. Corey: yeah, I swear they've done copied the exact same scene in GTA. Daniel (Pacco): I I think GTA came out after this movie. I know which one you're talking about. I think that yeah. But on that subject Corey: Yeah, yeah. Yeah. No, I feel like yeah they would have copied the Sam: Yeah. Corey: the Con Air version. That was the original, Daniel (Pacco): Yeah. Sam: Yeah. Corey: I reckon. Yeah. Daniel (Pacco): But just fun fact about GTA games, we're going on another topic, but a lot of the emissions in that game are based on these sort of movies. I'm not kidding. It definitely is. Yeah. Sam: Do love that. So do you Corey: Well they would be, yeah. Sam: guys know I wasn't allowed to w to play GTA when I was younger because my mum saw it when I went to my cousin's place and my cousin had put in one of the cheat codes and I'm I must have been, I think it was Vice City, and she just saw one of my cousins controlling the character with a pink dildo whacking a prostitute and killing her. And that basically not only killed the prostitute in the game, but also killed. Every chance of me ever playing it before I was eighteen. Daniel (Pacco): Damn, damn. Sam: So my Corey: I thought it would have been y Sam: my G Sorry. Corey: I thought it would have been because wasn't your mum a cop? Sam: Yes, yes, she was. Corey: Yeah. Sam: yeah, she did a lot she was a police officer until I was about two or three because quote, I was a handful Corey: Understandable. You still are. Just ask Tegan. Sam: Hm. This is true. I'm pretty terrible. Corey: But I could imagine her saying, No, you're not playing that because of all the stuff you like you're killing so many policemen and yeah. Sam: Yeah. It's just quite strict on violence. Daniel (Pacco): yeah, yeah. Sam: Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Daniel (Pacco): But just on the subject, did you ever play GTA San Andreas by any chance? Sam: I did eventually. I don't think I ever like and again, the thing is whenever I as I got older and my me as a gamer, I have I struggle attention span is quite for some reason I I can watch a two hour, three hour movie, but with games I just find I lose attention quicker. So with when I ever play GTA, Daniel (Pacco): S the A D H D kick it in. Sam: it's like go in, yeah, go in and kill it and get a car chase going on and then and then and then get caught by the police and then that was it. in I quite I probably didn't do the the missions or the story as much as as probably the game. I just played it, Yeah. Daniel (Pacco): see it's more like an interactive movie, that's all. But I'm just saying if you ever played that game, there's a lot of scene references that's based on Terminator movies, Con Air, I think Sam: Yeah. Yeah. Daniel (Pacco): Armageddon and Faceoff was a couple of others, but yeah. Yeah. Sam: Interesting. I should I too I I did play GTA five after a while. I don't know if I don't think I finished it, but I did I think I got it on its first iteration when it was on PS three or something like that. And now I think it's Daniel (Pacco): yeah. Sam: God knows how many but it'd be on PS six by this then it's probably how many generations it's hit. But maybe I'll play the new GTA. I don't know. Maybe we'll give that a crack. If I with all the spare time I have. Daniel (Pacco): Give it a go. Sam: it took me, I kid you not. I love the Spider Man video games, right? I played the and I played Corey: they're good. Sam: the first one. Yeah. And then the second one came out the week that well, before Tegan was my fiancee, when she was just my girlfriend, and she was going away on a conference for a week and I was like, Cool, you're going away for a week. Don't expect to talk to me. I'm just gonna play a video game the whole time. and and literally and I bought 'cause it was the week Spider Man came out two came out. So I played it. But jokes on her, I actually spent most of my time out ring shopping for her, so ha, beat that. I know and also played Spider Man, but then it actually I literally so I started the the story mode of Spider Man two then in twenty twenty four. That's always when it just when we got engaged, and I I don't know the exact time, but I didn't finish the story mode until after Sierra was born. That's how long it takes me to finish video games. Yeah. Yeah. Daniel (Pacco): Chase, chase. Corey: Whoa. But you finished it. How good was the story? Yeah. I I don't know how Sam: Yeah, fantastic. No, loved it. Love the game. Great time. Yeah. No, there's a lot of really cool Corey: I don't know how you could have i played it for that long without knowing how it's gonna end. Sam: I get stuck on things. I'm not a very good gamer either, and I'd put it on I'd be like struggling if I put this on easy just to get to the next scene and Corey: Mm. Daniel (Pacco): Well you would have just felt engaged by just the story itself. It Sam: then you feel like a pleb. I'm just not very good at video games, okay, Pacco? Daniel (Pacco): Okay, okay. Corey: Yeah. Sam: it's one of those games I do I I know people didn't really enjoy like I don't got a bit of flack, but I really enjoyed Spider Man too at the and just and it's The mechanic of just how you fli swinging through the air and you can do the web flying, it's so much fun. Just the mechanics of it. Corey: Mm. And the story is just perfect. I actually I finished it and then on Sam: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Corey: YouTube they've got all the cinematic clips. Sam: Cutscenes? Corey: Yeah. And it's like I think three hours long or something. And I made like we sat down and I made Anita watch it and I was like, this is bet Sam: You made her watch it. Corey: Yeah, wash yeah, I think she liked it. But it was just so good. I was like, this is better than some of the actual Spider Man movies. Sam: Yeah. Corey: just like the Decision he had to make at the ends. That was so good. Sam: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. is that you Pacco did Have a spin off pile of mate games. Game mates? Pile of games? Daniel (Pacco): We should have a whole podcast talking about games. But bottom mate. But that whole GTA Corey: Ha ha. Daniel (Pacco): San Andreas, when that got released, last of a game at its time, I think maybe ten or fifteen years later there was a movie that came out called straight out of Compton. The amount of Sam: yes. Daniel (Pacco): I did not realise how much of a relevance that game was from that movie and those kind Yeah. Yeah, but I Sam: Well that's a it's a biopic. Shadow Compton is a biopic of of Corey: Doctor Dre? Daniel (Pacco): didn't realise GTA was inspired by that whole biography. I was just thinking, Holy shit. Yeah. Sam: Yeah. By the my god, what's the what's the what's NWA, that's right. Yes, NWA. Corey: Isn't it like N W S? N W A. Sam: do have some a little bit of trivia Pacco did mention a little bit of stole it little bastard but that's okay but did you Daniel (Pacco): shit, did I? Sam: Well, like you said, the so John Malkovich and John Cusack both hated making this film. So they said that the script changed constantly and they'd no idea what the characters were doing or what their motives were. and Dave Chappelle, who plays pinball, went on the record and said he basically just improvised all of his lines. He was like, Whatever, I've Corey: Wow. Sam: no idea what's going on. and so Before our lovely Lord and Savior Nicholas Cage took over the role of Poe, Cameron Poe, it was a n it was initially offered to Sylvester Salone and Kurt Russell, who both said they decl so both declined because, quote, they hated the script. So, yeah. Daniel (Pacco): Damn. Well, lucky we just mentioned the script didn't change that much. Geez. Sam: Yeah. and also Bruce Willis, apparently, was also offered the lead. That's a yeah, but again, we don't know if he hated the script, but he also declined the role. And then eventually it went to again our favorite one over here in Nicholas Cage. and another little trivia I have for you, a bit of a Debbie Downer to end on, but there was actually an onset Corey: No. Sam: death for this film. so the film is dedicated to the special effects Daniel (Pacco): It's Sam: the special effects guy Phil Schwartz. Who died when a rigged plane fell and crushed him during filming. So that's a bit sad. Corey: he was the young guy. He Daniel (Pacco): Fuck. Corey: was only twenty seven or something. Sam: Was he? Corey: Yeah, 'cause it had the years, his born date and death date, and me and Anita we were just calculating and I'm like, man, that's really young. Sam: Doing the maths on it. I didn't see the I I meant I'm not sure if it pops up on my version, but Daniel (Pacco): Wow. Was that in the crypts or? Sam: yeah, I must have Corey: I think so. Sam: missed that. I didn't see the cr the de the dedication. But yeah, that's yeah, he must have been real real young. But yeah, being crushed by that plane is not a nice way to go. So condolences to him and his family. Daniel (Pacco): But going back to when you mentioned Bruce Willis and you said two other people, Sylvester Stallone and Kurt Russell. I'm Sam: Yeah, can you So Sylvester Stallone and Kurt Russell, yeah. Daniel (Pacco): not kidding. I I can't imagine those guys playing such a role. To me this is just Sam: I could imagine Bruce Willis, because it's a it is essentially die hard on a plane, but Daniel (Pacco): Yeah, yeah. Sam: yeah, Sly and Kurt Russell is a bit of a Corey: could imagine them doing it. Daniel (Pacco): I don't know. Corey: It's just Daniel (Pacco): If it was Sylvester Stillover, boom Sam: Like Rocky. Daniel (Pacco): boomer book, I can't imagine that being I'm Sam: What was that? I I'll I'll show you God exists. Daniel (Pacco): Yeah, exactly. But you gotta look like you're him. Corey: I can picture that perfectly. Sam: Ha ha ha. Daniel (Pacco): someone's gonna make an AI video of this, replace everything Corey: Yeah. Sam: yeah. Daniel (Pacco): in engagement so that's the line. No, I really can't. imagine Bruce Willis having a mullet like that. I I just thought the look just suited Nick Kay. Sam: Yeah. Yeah, do they all have the mullet? I can see Stallone and Kurt Russell with a mullet, but I can't see I'm between I know I know he has that hair, but I can't picture Bruce Willis with hair. It's weird every time. Daniel (Pacco): No, I know, but Sylvester Still learned. I can imagine him in Rambo or something like that, but being Sam: Yeah. Daniel (Pacco): I don't know, I just find I don't know, do you guys think the same thing? Do you think this Sam: Well Celeste of Sivine was Rambo, so that makes sense. Daniel (Pacco): Yeah, yeah, but what I'm getting at is do you think Nick Cage was the perfect choice for this or you reckon one of these other guys would have been Sam: I think so. I think the ridiculousness of the role in a good way, and how crazy the script was, how crazy the stunts were, but he does also do emotional quite well. he he the right points are right. I think he really got the script. So he really got the idea of the character. the fact that Cersei Sallone and Kurt Russell quoting hated the script is probably not a great start for them. Whereas it sounds Nicolas Cage must clearly just got something and and really channeled a some sort of inspirational Performance here 'cause I thought it was a good time. But Daniel (Pacco): All right. Sam: so overall ratings out of five, Daniel (Pacco): did you wanna talk about any particular favourite scenes in this movie that just stood out for you? Well, this is great. I I'll start. That whole Sam: Yep. Daniel (Pacco): scene when he's gets off the plane, he's trying to find a syringe for Bailey O and he's jumping through the explosions of that whole ambush scene, electric Sam: Yeah. Daniel (Pacco): guitar screaming in the background. I'm not kidding, I want that in my life. I wanna do something Sam: Yeah, it's a great soundtrack. It was a Daniel (Pacco): cool and just have a guitar just screeching in the background. Yeah, that'd be a life. Sam: Yeah. It was a fantastic soundtrack. Absolutely. Corey: Yeah. Sam: I one thing I just thought of then, which we haven't talked about, is I did not realise this was the meme of him like with the w wind in his hair going like such a yeah, when he's Daniel (Pacco): shit. Sam: got getting the the getting the the sun on him for the first time in a while. That was like it was like, Daniel (Pacco): Yeah, touch of freedom. Sam: yeah, that's the meme. That's it, that's the meme. Daniel (Pacco): Yeah. Sam: But yeah. Feel like every time you're watching a film and you realize that that's the meme, it always just you it just again pulls you out of the film for a second that that's it, that's the one. Daniel (Pacco): Definitely. Okay, Corey: Yeah. I like I like the favorite Daniel (Pacco): you Corey, favorite scene? Corey: yeah, I loved the the donut drop from from the police bikes. Daniel (Pacco): yep, yep, yep, yep. Corey: I did like I thought it was stupid and non realistic again, but I really liked how yeah, all the convicts were pulling the plane back onto the runway. with the chains and stuff, and I was just like Sam: Yeah. Yeah. Corey: Yeah, it was that was just a cool shot. there was yeah, quite Sam: huh. Corey: a few cool shots. Cool and a few I loved the the bunny put the bunny in the box and then the I'll make you believe in God. Yeah. They were very testosterone. Daniel (Pacco): Okay. Corey: I was like, fuck yeah, that that's that's dope. Yeah. Sam: Yeah. Daniel (Pacco): Can I just jump in when they're all talking when you were saying they're pulling all the getting all the chains, getting the plane out. You notice the only guy that got the plane out in the end was just one man on a tractor at that point. Because Sam: After all that. Daniel (Pacco): the yeah, the the all the other guys are doing this ambush sort of thing, but nah, the one guy on the tractor, yeah, he's the guy that gets it out. Sam: Ha ha. Corey: Yeah. Daniel (Pacco): well. let's jump the ratings, man. Jump in. Sam: Yeah. Well, I thought this was just a fun time. genuinely it was a great I I I always rate on how good of a time I had, not necessarily always the quality of the film and A, it was just a good time, but it was a great film and it just it just a really enjoyable experience. Sitting at home, having a good laugh. I just had all the emotions and all the good ways and all the and it just yeah, good just a great flick and absolutely would recommend other people watch it. I gave it four out of five, so pretty highly rated. Daniel (Pacco): Ooh beautiful. Nice. I'm on the Corey: Mm. I was a Daniel (Pacco): same boat as you. sorry. alright, Corey: No, you you go man. But Daniel (Pacco): look, same as you, Sam, same as you. Four out of five. It's just been an all time favourite for me, this movie. I love Sam: Yeah. Daniel (Pacco): the action scenes, I love the impractical effect. The one liners that just go all out in this movie. Yeah, come on, you're gonna be saying Bunny back in the box for a while at least. But nah, easy four stars for me. We'll watch again. Sam: Yeah. Corey: And I gave it three stars. it was I guess I'm pretty harsh Daniel (Pacco): Boo Sam: Crude. Corey: on my my star rating. Although maybe Sam: Yeah. Corey: we just like different movies, I'm not sure. But Sam: Yeah. Daniel (Pacco): he does he doesn't watch action movie guys. Remember that. Sam: Yeah. Corey: it was good overall, it was decent and better than decent because it was six out of ten essentially, so it's above fifty percent. but it just felt a bit too generic, action-packed. Probably wasn't too generic for back then, but watching all these other Sam: Yeah. Corey: action movies now, they've probably copied that one. It to me it feels a bit Yeah, bit generic, yeah. Sam: Yeah. It's Daniel (Pacco): Yeah, a bit inspired here at air. Yeah. Sam: the same vibe of like when you watch an old horror film, you're like, this is just so generic and predictable spell it's like, Well then when they came out they weren't generic and predictable that same way. Corey: Mm. Daniel (Pacco): Yeah, and all the movies you're watching now are all pretty much coping that. I find this movie is a lot of inspiration on it in a lot of today's Sam: Mm. Daniel (Pacco): flicks. We did talk about GTA earlier with that sent the donuts. So Yeah. Corey: Hmm. Sam: Yeah, exactly. Daniel (Pacco): But would you guys watch it again? That's the next question. Yeah. Sam: Yeah I would. Yeah. At the right Corey: if I had to. Sam: time. Daniel (Pacco): Put the movie back in the box, Dory. Corey: Yeah. I think I will. I'll leave it there. Sam: Yeah, I think I think I've always said if it's if it's a four or above, it deserves a rewatch at some point. I don't I couldn't tell you how long, it might be a few years until I fill pick it up again. But I I think anything four and above you should be confident in rewatching Daniel (Pacco): Yeah. Sam: at some point. Daniel (Pacco): And make sure you get your misso to finish it off, It's it's blasphemy. Sam: Yeah, yeah. She walked out about halfway through. I don't know if I can get her around to do it again, but we'll try. so we have I believe it is Corey's turn next, right? Corey: Yes. Yep. So I've been Sam: Yeah. All right. ready for the drum roll? Daniel (Pacco): Yeah, give us a rundown. No, I'll thank you. Corey: so I was thinking about two different movies. I was going off Paco's suggestion Sam: Yeah. Corey: this week or last week, this week, last I don't know, the last week, of Con Air. Sam: Awake? Corey: and I was like, I'll pick something quite similar, and then I was toss in between two, but I think I've picked it. But all right, are you ready? You can do the drum roll. Sam: All right. All right. Corey: This week we're watching conspiracy theory. Sam: I have not Daniel (Pacco): Rishi theory. Sam: heard of this one. Corey: It Daniel (Pacco): I haven't had a little bit Corey: it's yeah, I thought you probably haven't wouldn't have seen it. It's got some big names in it. It's got Julia Roberts and Mel Gibson. Sam: Ooh, ninety seven as well. All right. We're Corey: Yeah, you have the same era as Con Air. Daniel (Pacco): is it ninety seven? I'm saying two thousand and one. Sam: Okay. A taxi Corey: Yeah. Sam: driver with the with a pennant for pench pen I can't pronounce the book. A taxi driver, something with an interest in for conspiracy theories, becomes a target after one of these theories turns out to be true. Unfortunately to save himself he has to go figure out which theory it is. Ooh. Corey: Mm. So it's it's quite a like it's Daniel (Pacco): Mm still, all right. Sam: Yeah. Corey: a thriller, action thriller. So similar to Con Air, but it's not as testosterone action explosion thing. Sam: Yeah, conspiracy theory. Yeah. Daniel (Pacco): So I'm not I'm not gonna Corey: Yeah Daniel (Pacco): have a heart on watching this movie, okay. Sam: Okay, all right. Daniel (Pacco): okay, okay. Corey: Hm. Sam: Yeah, that's sounds like fun. Good cast too, so exciting times. All right. Well, thank you guys for tuning in to Pile of Mates for another week. I know it was a long one this week chatting about Con Air but we are looking forward to next week where we will chat everything conspiracy theory from nineteen ninety seven. So with that in mind, thanks Corey and thanks Pacco. Will you be back in Australia Corey: So what? Daniel (Pacco): Sam. yeah yeah I think I'll be a little Sam: by the next week? You back home? Yes. Daniel (Pacco): jet lag, but I think I'll be back right on the night, so easy done. Yeah woo Sam: Rock and roll, what'll be fun time that'll be. Well, Corey: huh. Sam: have a good night, guys, and thanks for joining us again on Pile of Mates. Corey: Thank you.