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Phillies cut Taijuan Walker, José Soriano & Shohei Ohtani are DEALING · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: FT Live. Let's go, Kratz Polar, I'm brawn.
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  Speaker 2: Hey did you see how the Brewers are going up
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  Speaker 2: against the gauntlet? Kp Do you know what the real
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  Speaker 2: cy Young Gauntlet is? It's only been done one other
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  Speaker 2: time in back to back games, I guess in history
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  Speaker 2: according to people that have looked it up, and then,
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  Speaker 2: it's never happened in back to back days, Si Young.
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  Speaker 3: I'm assuming they're facing the Cy Young Award winners from
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  Speaker 3: last year, correct, and back to back days.
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  Speaker 4: It has definitely been done. I faced the starting pitcher
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  Speaker 4: from the National League All Star Game, Matt Harvey, and
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  Speaker 4: the starting pitcher from the American League All Star Team,
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  Speaker 4: Max Scherzer, in my only two starts in seventeen days.
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  Speaker 4: So where that one? Okay, I've done it. Go get
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  Speaker 4: them Brewers.
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  Speaker 2: That's a weird gauntlet that was in a seventeen day span. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: crats don't play for weeks. Okay, here's this next guy
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  Speaker 2: who is really good.
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  Speaker 4: They started literally, it was right after the All Star break.
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  Speaker 4: It was the two guys who started the All Star Game,
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  Speaker 4: and I got to face them both. I was like,
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  Speaker 4: what the heck, our bullpen catcher comes up to me,
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  Speaker 4: He's like, man, you got no shot. They do not
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  Speaker 4: want you to get any hits. I was like, well
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  Speaker 4: I obliged. I didn't get any hits.
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  Speaker 1: Feels like he was sabotaged, KP.
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  Speaker 3: It's weird. Sometimes it just works out that way. When
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  Speaker 3: you're a bench guy at platung Glea and then they
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  Speaker 3: decide to throw you a bone and get you a
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  Speaker 3: start against abriety. It's usually the other team's best picture.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, oh, we give her catcher the option to
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  Speaker 2: take whichever day off he wants.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, it happens to be this day.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, did that ever happen in your career?
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  Speaker 1: Cratsy?
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  Speaker 3: Like that you knew of Like the manager came and
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  Speaker 3: talked to the starting catcher and said, hey, I'm gonna
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  Speaker 3: give you a day off one of these three days,
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  Speaker 3: take which one you want, and he just threw you
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  Speaker 3: to the He just threw you to the sharks out
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  Speaker 3: there and said, oh yeah, by the way, way, I
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  Speaker 3: heard Matt Harvey Stern game to go get him, Crassy.
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  Speaker 4: Not a chance. Every starting cat I was almost gonna
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  Speaker 4: Every starting catcher I ever played with was like, no shot.
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  Speaker 4: I never won a day off, and most of them
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  Speaker 4: were like, no way, you're gonna put him out there
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  Speaker 4: against you know, somebody nasty. But I mean that's how
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  Speaker 4: I got some cool homers too, is because they slide
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  Speaker 4: me into that eight spot in the lineup. The really
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  Speaker 4: good pictures are like, whatever, eight spot just gonna go
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  Speaker 4: right after him and whack danger. Hey remember me now,
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  Speaker 4: I won't play against you again, but remember me now?
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  Speaker 1: All right? That was fun. Let's charge.
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  Speaker 2: Kratz is our guy reporting live from the scene always,
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  Speaker 2: and the Phillies are in a struggle bus right now
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  Speaker 2: and they're trying to get out of it, so they're
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  Speaker 2: kicking Taiwan Walker off the bus. Krats, can you tell
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  Speaker 2: us about the really entire kind of mess that's been
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  Speaker 2: create aided here for the team? Walker though, four year,
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  Speaker 2: seventy two million bucks, really well like nice guy in
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  Speaker 2: the industry for a while. He's had some success in
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  Speaker 2: the past with the Mets, Diamondbacks, et cetera, but it
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  Speaker 2: really did not work out for him and Krats. What
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  Speaker 2: happens is in a city that is very demanding and
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  Speaker 2: very vocal, you will see fans tend to grasp a
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  Speaker 2: certain player or two as their scapegoat.
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  Speaker 1: Is it the right scapegoat well partially.
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  Speaker 2: I mean he was losing them a game once a week,
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  Speaker 2: but you got to score runs to win games. Your
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  Speaker 2: thoughts on how this unfolded going back for a couple
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  Speaker 2: of years now, where some people wanted him out, you know,
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  Speaker 2: a year or two ago.
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  Speaker 4: And he ate up a lot of really good innings.
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  Speaker 4: Last year for him, I think he had just above
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  Speaker 4: a four ERA last year, after the year before, I
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  Speaker 4: think he had a seven plus ERA. That's pretty much
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  Speaker 4: when the ire of Philly fans kind of hit Taiwan Walker.
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  Speaker 4: I think kind of his the look that it looks
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  Speaker 4: like it's nonchalant, I think right out of the gate
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  Speaker 4: was something that Philly fans were like, he doesn't even
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  Speaker 4: look like he's trying. And I'm like, pump the brakes.
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  Speaker 4: Go back and watched this dude when he was in
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  Speaker 4: Seattle pumping ninety four to ninety nine. He didn't look
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  Speaker 4: like he was trying very hard. His velocity went down. Like,
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  Speaker 4: just because you don't look like you're trying hard doesn't
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  Speaker 4: mean that you don't well. In a city like Philly,
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  Speaker 4: when that's the perception, then all of a sudden, you
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  Speaker 4: have a bad half a year a bad stretch, and
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  Speaker 4: he did. He had a bad His second year of
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  Speaker 4: the contract was awful and they wanted him released. Fans
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  Speaker 4: wanted him released before then. He ate up a lot
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  Speaker 4: of really good innings. I don't know how many he
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  Speaker 4: had last year twenty five, he made twenty one starts.
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  Speaker 4: He ate up one hundred and twenty three innings at
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  Speaker 4: a four era. Okay, that's valuable. I think this release
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  Speaker 4: was happening regardless of what his outcome was. Obviously, you know,
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  Speaker 4: if he as a two era, I think they keep
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  Speaker 4: him around. But I don't think Taiwan Walker is at
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  Speaker 4: the point in his career where he could have a
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  Speaker 4: two era. And I think some of it was, you know,
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  Speaker 4: there's just age catches up to some guys. But my opinion,
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  Speaker 4: when you watch him throw, feels like he's throwing through
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  Speaker 4: things too. It feels like he's not one hundred percent,
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  Speaker 4: and yet he's still going out there and taking the ball.
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  Speaker 4: The only time you ever heard him complain was when
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  Speaker 4: he didn't get the pitch when he wasn't on the
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  Speaker 4: roster in the twenty the run in twenty two. That's
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  Speaker 4: the only time. But Philly fans through an eight game
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  Speaker 4: road road skid here or eight game game eight game
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  Speaker 4: losing skid that they have. Tywan Walker ain't the problem.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you you you mentioned something Scott about
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  Speaker 3: him being the scapegoad. I don't think this has anything
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  Speaker 3: to do with the Phillies organization, you know, trying to
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  Speaker 3: point blame at someone for their res and struggles. I
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  Speaker 3: just think his time had come. You know, he really
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  Speaker 3: didn't kind of live up to the contract. He did
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  Speaker 3: have some decent moments with the team. He had some
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  Speaker 3: valuable moments as Cratsy kind of appointed it to, you know,
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  Speaker 3: eating up innings. But he just isn't off to a
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  Speaker 3: really good spot this year. And unfortunately, the game is
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  Speaker 3: kind of evolved. Typically a guy like this would be
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  Speaker 3: a guy you would move to the bullpen and kind
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  Speaker 3: of that long reliever role. That role doesn't really exist anymore.
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  Speaker 3: And unfortunately for him, the type of pitcher he is,
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  Speaker 3: you can't just take him out of the starting role
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  Speaker 3: and put him in the bullpen and his stuff plays up.
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  Speaker 3: He you know, the last couple of years, he's lost
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  Speaker 3: kind of the velocity on his fastball a little bit,
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  Speaker 3: so you know, he's not a heart thrower who can
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  Speaker 3: get away with just going out there and let it
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  Speaker 3: letting it rip for one inning. I think it's just
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  Speaker 3: his time has come. Maybe another team gives him an opportunity.
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  Speaker 3: But I also like what Kratsey said too. You know,
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  Speaker 3: he was a teammate of mine the year in New
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  Speaker 3: York leading up to him signing that deal in Philadelphia,
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  Speaker 3: and he just hasn't really looked the same. It does
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  Speaker 3: look like he's pitching through something. I know he kind
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  Speaker 3: of gets, you know, a reputation as a guy who
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  Speaker 3: doesn't care. As his teammate, he cares a lot. He
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  Speaker 3: works really hard, but when you watch him pitch, he
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  Speaker 3: just doesn't look physically right. And you know, maybe he
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  Speaker 3: gets a little bit of time off, goes back home,
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  Speaker 3: spend some time with his family, kind of reevaluates where
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  Speaker 3: he's at. Maybe a team gives him an opportunity, you know,
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  Speaker 3: a month from now, two months from now. You know,
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  Speaker 3: we saw with Lucas Giolito that you can and Patrick Corbin,
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  Speaker 3: you could be sitting at home and if you've got
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  Speaker 3: major league experience and know how to get out. You know,
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  Speaker 3: the phone's going to ring at some point. It's up
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  Speaker 3: to him if he decides to go on and play.
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  Speaker 3: If he doesn't, he had a really nice career.
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  Speaker 1: KP.
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  Speaker 2: What do you think is wrong with the Phillies on offense?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, this is a team that you look at
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  Speaker 2: and say, hey, this is a pretty complete team on paper.
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  Speaker 2: There's some really notable names starting pitching wise, bullpen. I
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  Speaker 2: know Duran's out right now, but they've invested in each
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  Speaker 2: part of their team and it's not clicking early on
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  Speaker 2: in the season. I'll throw a nugget out there. For example,
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  Speaker 2: they're zero to nine against left handed starting pitchers this year,
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  Speaker 2: excluding openers. So what are your thoughts on what's happening here?
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  Speaker 3: You know what, who's you know, whose thoughts? I really
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  Speaker 3: want to get as our first guest because he's very
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  Speaker 3: you know, you know, in tune with with that division,
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  Speaker 3: you know, falling in the Yankees a ton. He loves talking, hitting,
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  Speaker 3: he loves talking approach. Some things just can't be explained.
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  Speaker 3: I mean the left handed thing. And you know I've
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  Speaker 3: pounded this table for teams going out and and employing
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  Speaker 3: you know, guys like myself who were known for hitting
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  Speaker 3: left handed pitching and not you know, paying them pennies
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  Speaker 3: on the dollar. And maybe that's an area of an
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  Speaker 3: improvement that they needed to have guys that hit from
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  Speaker 3: the right side that could platune with some of the
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  Speaker 3: outfields and not kind of scraping the bottom of the
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  Speaker 3: barrel for guys to face some of these lefties, because
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  Speaker 3: as we've seen in the game, you know, the arguably
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  Speaker 3: some of the you know, majority of the top ten
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  Speaker 3: pitchers in the game are left handed. So you're gonna
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  Speaker 3: run into some really nasty left handed pitching. But I
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  Speaker 3: don't know if it's just you know, and I hate
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  Speaker 3: saying this, because he's one of the best in the game,
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  Speaker 3: if you know, ever in terms of most respected hitting
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  Speaker 3: coaches in the game. But sometimes you keep a group
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  Speaker 3: together for a long time and it's the same voice
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  Speaker 3: and the same tweaks and the same fixes and the
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  Speaker 3: same you know, trying to figure things out in the
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  Speaker 3: batting cage, you know, the whole Phillies sort of core.
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  Speaker 3: It may be time to kind of shake things up there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and you're talking about Daniel Murphy, who is going
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  Speaker 2: to join us in about five minutes. I mean, Kevin
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  Speaker 2: Long changed Murph's career. It's like the prime example there
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  Speaker 2: of someone who was able to make a huge impact
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  Speaker 2: on a player who already had some midman's skill sets
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  Speaker 2: and he was able to take him to the next level.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, we'll ask Murph about this coming up in
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  Speaker 2: a moment, but Kevin Long's got to be one of
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  Speaker 2: his guys.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, And I hate even like I'm not even suggesting it.
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  Speaker 3: I'm just saying, sometimes you're around the same people, it's
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  Speaker 3: kind of the same core group of players. I don't
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  Speaker 3: know what it is. Some things are just explainable in
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  Speaker 3: this game, because when you look at that lineup on paper,
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  Speaker 3: you wouldn't think they would be one of the worst
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  Speaker 3: statistically offensive in baseball right now. And I don't know, Crassy,
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  Speaker 3: what do you think you're you're the local PA guy.
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  Speaker 3: What do you got.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, it's it is just if you watch them consistently.
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  Speaker 4: And I think that's what Philly fans are pissed about,
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  Speaker 4: is you watch this team consistency consistently, and it's very
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  Speaker 4: short at bats, it's weaker contact. Now, yesterday, I think
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  Speaker 4: they had better at bats against Matthew Boyd. I think
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  Speaker 4: they had, you know, but then you say, okay, they
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  Speaker 4: have better at bats against a lefty just coming off
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  Speaker 4: the il, but they didn't string those runs together. It's
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  Speaker 4: all felt. It's all well and good. If you're cutting
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  Speaker 4: down strikeouts, that's awesome. If it's at the expense of
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  Speaker 4: that's not awesome. And you have to be able to
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  Speaker 4: drive the ball, and they're just they are in a
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  Speaker 4: serious funk right now.
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  Speaker 1: But I think so.
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  Speaker 4: One of our people behind the scene put together a
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  Speaker 4: you know, our production meeting, and one of the stats
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  Speaker 4: that was put in there at Mundososa was hitting one
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  Speaker 4: seventy four against lefties. Entering the game. He got two hits,
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  Speaker 4: he got a double on a single, he's hitting two
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  Speaker 4: forty now. It's just a prime example of one game
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  Speaker 4: can change some of these numbers around. One game can
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  Speaker 4: change you know, what guys are hitting against lefties or
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  Speaker 4: guys who have historically hit against lefties can change these
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  Speaker 4: numbers around. The issue is everybody's going through it. Schwarber
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  Speaker 4: hit a homer against Chota the other day, and you know,
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  Speaker 4: it just seemed like, yeah, bats didn't really change until
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  Speaker 4: the ninth inning when they got a few guys on
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  Speaker 4: so you sit here and you go, is it just
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  Speaker 4: going to be Schwarber and Harper? Is the whole team
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  Speaker 4: cooked at the same time. No, I don't think either
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  Speaker 4: of those is true. And so I think it's time
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  Speaker 4: to start betting high on the Phillies because I don't
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  Speaker 4: see them doing this the whole year. Have they dug
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  Speaker 4: themselves a big enough hole that they can't make the playoffs?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, That's what's crazy is you look at some of
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  Speaker 2: the teams that have started off slow and it's not like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: there's only two or three guys that are doing their thing.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, no, there's really nobody doing their thing at
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  Speaker 2: a normal level. I'll just give one quick example, because
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  Speaker 2: I'm trying to watch more Reds games lately. It's Elie
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  Speaker 2: de la Cruz, It's Sal Stewart, and then it's like,
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  Speaker 2: and they're winning games. Why they can pitch, But they
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  Speaker 2: also have two guys that are starring and that's enough
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  Speaker 2: for now. Some others will hopefully come around for them.
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  Speaker 2: But that's how much of a difference it can make.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you've got two guys that are doing their
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  Speaker 2: thing and the team looks great, and then you've got
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  Speaker 2: really zero or one on a team like the Phillies
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  Speaker 2: three to eight clip one ear and run in twenty
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  Speaker 2: four innings. What are you seeing from both of these guys?
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: Obviously Otani's got to do his hitting thing too, but yeah,
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: I would love to get your thoughts on what you're
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: seeing from both of these pitchers who look like two.
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: Of the top five so far in the first month
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: of the season.
• 16:26
  Speaker 6: Well, for me with Jose Soriano, and first of all,
• 16:31
  Speaker 6: I made the mistake of betting.
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: I bet against him earlier in the season.
• 16:36
  Speaker 6: But for me, what I've seen is this fastball command
• 16:40
  Speaker 6: is unparallel.
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: Man.
• 16:43
  Speaker 6: He's able to use his fastball in all four quadrants.
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: Of the zone.
• 16:48
  Speaker 6: And when you're a pitcher and you're able to do that,
• 16:52
  Speaker 6: God just sets up so much. It opens up so
• 16:54
  Speaker 6: many doors for you. And another thing that's really surprised
• 16:59
  Speaker 6: me is is he's able to get hitters in the
• 17:03
  Speaker 6: zone and then out of the zone very quickly, and
• 17:05
  Speaker 6: especially with this ab yes man, because I believe there's
• 17:09
  Speaker 6: some pitchers out there with abs that tend to leak
• 17:13
  Speaker 6: over the middle of the plate a little bit more
• 17:14
  Speaker 6: than they should be because they're worried about nibbling. Like
• 17:18
  Speaker 6: Ranger Suarez. I had a great conversation about Ranger sore
• 17:22
  Speaker 6: As while I was up in Boston. He leaves a
• 17:24
  Speaker 6: lot of balls over middle heart of the plate because
• 17:27
  Speaker 6: he doesn't have that ninety five plus to blow it
• 17:30
  Speaker 6: by you when the hitter and everybody else in the
• 17:32
  Speaker 6: ballpark knows that a fastball is coming and you have
• 17:36
  Speaker 6: to throw that fastball. And so I think with Soriano,
• 17:40
  Speaker 6: his ability to challenge all quadrants of the zone and
• 17:43
  Speaker 6: be able to stay on those edges without losing it
• 17:47
  Speaker 6: to an ABS challenge has been really key for him.
• 17:52
  Speaker 6: And then you know, he throws his off speed and
• 17:54
  Speaker 6: he makes it come off of his fastball and the
• 17:57
  Speaker 6: off speed is out of the zone and he's getting
• 18:00
  Speaker 6: the last swing and miss off of that. So to
• 18:02
  Speaker 6: me as a pitcher, that's that's what I see most
• 18:04
  Speaker 6: of him and the reason why he's being so effective.
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I watched him yesterday because I was covering the
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: Blue Jays game, and you know, to throw out another
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: stat going into yesterday's game, the last seventy five batters
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: he had faced, he's given up one extra base hit.
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: He dig up seven hits yesterday, no extra base hits.
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: It's been a ridiculous start to him. I got a
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: chance to play with him two years ago when he
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: was just a young pup coming up, and you could
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: see he had the stuff to be an absolute superstar
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: in this game. It has taken him some time to
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: kind of figure out and tweak his arsenal. And I
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: think you just have to give a lot of credit
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: to a guy like Mike Maddocks who's been in this
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: game for ever and is known as one of the
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: best pitching coaches in the game. Him coming over to Anaheim,
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: and I think they talked about on the broadcast yesterday.
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: He's utilizing his best pitch, which is his curveball the least,
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: so he's not showing it is often. I think that
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: was a problem early in his career, even though it
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: was filthy, he was using his curveball a lot. So
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: over the course of the second and third time you
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: saw him, hitters saw that curveball a lot. He's implemented
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: the forcing fastball at the top of the zone to
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: change the eye level. He obviously has one of the
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: best sinkers in the game, a high velocity sinker. But
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: the fact he's not showing his outpitch in his curveball
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: and his split finger, I think has really this allowed
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: him to take his game to the next level.
• 19:26
  Speaker 6: You know that, man, because Mike Maddox I had Mike
• 19:29
  Speaker 6: Maddicks as well, Polar and Mike maddox is huge on
• 19:32
  Speaker 6: being able to throw your off speed for a strike
• 19:35
  Speaker 6: and your off speed for Chase.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: That's a great point, man, And pap what about Otani?
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: Uh Unicorn?
• 19:44
  Speaker 5: Dude?
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: Shit?
• 19:46
  Speaker 6: Man, Like you could say, I'm a loss.
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: Of words for this dude.
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: Man, I really.
• 19:51
  Speaker 6: Don't know what to say, Like how is he doing this?
• 19:55
  Speaker 6: You know I expected him to do it for you know,
• 19:59
  Speaker 6: a year or two and kind of phase into one
• 20:02
  Speaker 6: or the other and you know, let me just be
• 20:05
  Speaker 6: a pitcher, now, let me just be But this dude
• 20:08
  Speaker 6: just keeps doing it and doing it, and you know,
• 20:12
  Speaker 6: I would love to just try to follow him for
• 20:15
  Speaker 6: a week and see what kind of team that he
• 20:18
  Speaker 6: has around him, because you don't do these types of
• 20:22
  Speaker 6: things without a great team behind you, whether it's a
• 20:25
  Speaker 6: training staff, coaching staff, interpreters the whole nine yards. This
• 20:33
  Speaker 6: guy just night in and night out proves that he's
• 20:36
  Speaker 6: on a different level, and they're making up new rules
• 20:39
  Speaker 6: for him to where he doesn't count against a hitter
• 20:43
  Speaker 6: and a pitcher in the in.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: The in the in the roster move.
• 20:48
  Speaker 6: So I mean, it's to me in innate ability to
• 20:52
  Speaker 6: to be able to switch, to switch from a hitter
• 20:56
  Speaker 6: to a position player or a d h which is
• 20:59
  Speaker 6: to me a still position player a hitter, and be
• 21:03
  Speaker 6: able to do this, and his uncanny ability to eke
• 21:07
  Speaker 6: people deep, like that's what gets me is right right.
• 21:11
  Speaker 6: Not only could he he maybe just be a hitter
• 21:14
  Speaker 6: that hits for average or gets guys over, but the
• 21:18
  Speaker 6: dude can take you deep. And to me, that's that's uncanny.
• 21:22
  Speaker 6: I've never seen nothing like it before, and I never
• 21:27
  Speaker 6: I used to doubt like this could continue, but I'm
• 21:30
  Speaker 6: not doubting it anymore, that's for sure.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, as I'm sitting here look at the number,
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: I don't really have much to say. It's in some
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: ways it's still, you know, his ability as a DH
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: and what he does on the offensive side still kind
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: of overshadows this, And I don't even know how that's possible.
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: I think I think we're living in a time where
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: we're seeing something that we've never seen before. And it's
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: so amazing that I think we're starting to get a
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: little number to it, because I can't even imagine. I mean,
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: if you took this name off the top of the
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: screen and you showed these numbers, you would be blown away.
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: Your mouth would be wide open. You'd be like, who
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: is this guy? This guy's the greatest picture of all time?
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: And then you see it showy Atani and you're like, wait,
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: isn't that the guy who also his bomb steals bases
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: is the best offensive player in the league. Like it's
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: hard to even put into words what he's doing this year.
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: It's amazing that he can, you know, And I think
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: I think him coming back from the TJ too, It's
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: taken him a little time to get to this form,
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: and I think he's all the way back. And I mean,
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: are we looking at a guy who could potentially win
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: the m v P and the cy Young in the
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: same year.
• 23:47
  Speaker 6: So, like like as a hit, as a position player,
• 23:51
  Speaker 6: as a hitter, like preparation, right, So preparation is such
• 23:55
  Speaker 6: a big thing, like to me, like I want to.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: Know, like what's his prep?
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: I don't even know how he has enough time to
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: do everything right, because we're at the field a long
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: time as as baseball players, probably too long before a game.
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: But you know, when you consider, you gotta you know,
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: do your treatment. You gotta work out, and you gotta
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: get your body ready. You have these meetings and then
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: I want to get my swings in the cage and
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: it's bp, you know, and then I want to relax
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: a little bit. Then I gotta ramp it back up
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: to go play a game. Right. He has to mix
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: in pitching and his bullpens, his arm care, all the
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: different things that he has to do. He has to
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: be ready as a hitter, you know. Then he has
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: to figure out ways that throws bullpen. Then he has
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: to go start. And then by the way, the day
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: he starts, he's also hitting too. It's like I'm not
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: gonna lost word. It's it's like one.
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: Day you sit down and eat.
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: I have no idea. But you know, the too is
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: we know he sleeps. He sleeps like, you know, fifteen
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: hours day too. So he's getting it done in like
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: a shorter amount of time than most people.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: So, I mean, it's it's insane.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: He's sleeping ten twelve hours a night on most nights.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: If he can ten to twelve hours.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: I mean plenty of players. Yeah, how many did you log?
• 25:13
  Speaker 6: PAP six I was lucky on a day game to
• 25:16
  Speaker 6: get four or five.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: A night, exactly.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this guy is I mean, that's why it can
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: be a little bit mysterious. You just don't get a
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: lot of access to him sometimes because during the season
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: he's freaking busy, and even his teammates will be like,
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: the most time and the fun time they get to
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: spend with him is often during the game because then
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: during the game, you know, if he's dhing, he's in
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: the dugout, whatever, you get to spend more time with him.
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: And maybe that's why, you know, he finally had an
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: off night. He had an on base streak that was
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: at fifty three games and it ended fifty three games,
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: and he finally went oh for four on a day
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: that he pitched and ken he win a cy young
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: Yes that we talked about the innings, but you know,
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: writers ser obsessed with wins above replacement, especially the newer ones,
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: and right now for National League pitchers, he has the
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: top runs what is it ri nine to war for fangrafts,
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: which is one of the most popular ones that writers
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: go off of. He has the tops number in the
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: National League. Soriano is way ahead of everyone else, and
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: there's a few other American League pitchers, but he has
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: tops of.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: The National League.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: So even if he pitches once a week, if those
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: innings are like this and he ends up with like
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: a one and a half RA, he can win the
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: freaking award. That's crazy, and he might then he might yeah,
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: very well. Yeah, yeah, I mean, hey, if he stays
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: healthy and keeps doing this, even if he ends up
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: with whatever, twenty five starts versus somebody who had thirty
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: or even less than that, twenty three or four starts
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: versus somebody who had thirty, he can win the award.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: So we'll keep an eye on it. Obviously it's super early,
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: but Pat, thanks for the extra time today, dude.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: Good to see it.
• 26:43
  Speaker 6: Yeah, man, I enjoyed a nice event. Finally meet you,
• 26:46
  Speaker 6: Kevin and keep it sexy, Scottie.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: Oh will, that's all I can do, thank you.
• 26:52
  Speaker 7: That's yeah, all right, let's try to finish with a
• 27:06
  Speaker 7: sexy little play from O'Neill Cruz off of the top
• 27:11
  Speaker 7: of the foul pole.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: It was good call to They're like if this is fair.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: This is going to be ridiculous. It is off the
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: top of the foul pole.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: I mean, he is a video game looking guy in
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: terms of not just the size, but also like the
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: exit velocity, all of that, the speed, everything that he does,
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: and you've been waiting for it to come together. This
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: right now is a career year beginning to his season.
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: I had two thoughts on it. I think the foul
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: pool ruined it or the foul pool added to it,
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: because where with this ball would have landed if it
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: didn't hit the foul pool. But it also adds a
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: really cool element the fact that he hit it off
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: the top of the foul pool. If you would have
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: hit over it, it would have been like, Wow, it's
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: a bomb. But then you actually really get to put
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: into context how high that foul pole is and he
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: hit the top of it. I mean I watched it
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: probably five or six times night laying in bed before
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: I flew home this morning. And it's crazy that there's
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: athletes like this that possessed this type of power batspeed
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: ability on the baseball field. I was very fortunate to
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: play for a long time, and I wasn't that type
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: of athlete so you know, that's a little feather in
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: my cap.
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: But dude, to me, this is the X factor right
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: now for why the Pirates are in a good spot.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: I know they added some pieces in the offseason, but really,
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: to me, I mean, O'Neil Cruz has been loosing with
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: potential for years. He's put up some decent numbers league
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: adjusted stats over the course of his career, but then
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: last year was super down. I mean, he was a
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: below league average hitter by ops plus, he was at
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: eighty six. He was running a lot, which he's doing now.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: But now, I mean the first month of the season,
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: he's two eighty six, three fifty two on base, five
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: point fifty one slug, seven homers, ten stolen bases, and
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: he's hitting left handed pitching really for the first time
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: in his career. So when you add all of that up,
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden, you have a player who's playing
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: like an All Star. And when you add that to
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: the three for other guys that they brought to the lineup,
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: it's serious.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: It's a different team.
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: So I love I love seeing it because I love
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: you know, we we've been tough on the Pirates, even
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: on this show going into free agency and they finally
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: went out and actually made some moves. So I'm really
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: glad that the Pirates are off to a get start.
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: They're a team that every time they're on and I'm
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: watching them, I'm rooting for them because I think it's
• 29:22
  Speaker 3: good for baseball when a team has a guy like
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: O'Neal Cruz in their lineup, they have the pitching staff
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: led by Paul Skins. At some point, you got to
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: put your chips in. And that doesn't mean they have
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: to go out and sign guys for you know, one
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: hundred million dollars, two hundred million dollars, but go out
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: and make some effort to try to improve your team.
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: And I think that's what they did this offseason. So
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: I'm rooting for them. I hope they go out and
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: they're a playoff team because how exciting would it be
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: to have this version of O'Neal Cruise and Paul skiings
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: in the postseason.
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: Paul Skins has been prepping for this moment, even on
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: the first couple of years when they're not making the playoffs,
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: getting ready for October baseball, hoping that he'll be able
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: to do that someday and I would say, right now,
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: they're in a good spot.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: There's a long long way to go.
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we can show the other play real quick
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: on the way out. I know we've been doing some
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: bonus time here Logan Gilbert. Luckily he didn't get too hurt.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: I mean, he said he's got a good bruise, but
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: this could have been much worse. I was one of
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: the most unique players I've ever seen.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: KP was. It was almost like a Savannah Banana's catch.
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I've never I don't think I've ever seen that before.
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: You know, you see it sometimes get stuck under the
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: catcher's equipment and stuff like that. But to have a comebacker,
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: you know, either deflect off the glove a little bit
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: or just hit him square in the chest. He was
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: kind of looking all over the ball and then ends
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: up in his jersey. I don't think I've ever seen
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: that before.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, me, neither.
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: It looked like, you know, goes in the jersey and
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: then kind of like loops around. It looked like something
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: that was coordinated. It was very much not coordinated.
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: And we're gonna see this and guess who's going to
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: probably try to master it. It's those savanna of bananas.
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: That's gonna be like logan givert play right, It's give
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: it a couple of weeks, someone's going to master it.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: At the very least, there'll be a pitcher ready for
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: a comebacker and he'll flip it into his shirt and
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: it'll spin around. So all right, good stuff today, fun show,
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: really good guests. Thanks to everyone for checking it out.
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