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INTERVIEW: RZA On New Film 'One Spoon Of Chocolate', Overcoming Writer's Block, Paying Homage To ODB + More · The Breakfast Club

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Speaker 1: Every day a weak click your ass up the Breakfast Club.
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Speaker 2: You don't finish for y'all done?
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Speaker 3: Ready got myself Morning everybody, it's the j n V.
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Speaker 3: Just hilarious. Charlamage the guy. We are the Breakfast Club.
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Speaker 3: We got a special guest in the building. Indeed, he
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Speaker 3: has a new movie that comes out this Friday, Ladies
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Speaker 3: and gentlemen, Rizza in the building.
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Speaker 2: Movie is One Spoon of Chocolate, Man.
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Speaker 4: One Spoon of Chocolate is my personal opinion, instant classic,
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Speaker 4: instant classic. I already got it as one of the
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Speaker 4: best movies I've ever seen, and to me for what
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Speaker 4: I like in the type of movies I like, it's
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Speaker 4: one of my all time personal favorites.
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Speaker 2: I watched it twice yesterday.
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Speaker 5: Man, literally Instagram yelling and all. That's another post like
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Speaker 5: all r y'all, I calm down now, man, I'm.
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Speaker 3: Sixty two minutes in and I would just say I'm
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Speaker 3: highly impressed.
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Speaker 1: You know, you know it's funny.
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Speaker 3: I'm watching it and I'm watching the characters play out right,
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Speaker 3: and I'm talking to charlamagneause you know he got a
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Speaker 3: live off because he's seen it, right, So I'm watching
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Speaker 3: it and he's telling me your parents.
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Speaker 2: I'm like, that's Michael.
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Speaker 3: Jackson's daughter as one of the stars are but you
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Speaker 3: don't look at her as Paris Jackson. You just look
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Speaker 3: at her as a good actress. And I was highly impressed.
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Speaker 2: Brother. Yeah, she definitely did a thing.
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Speaker 1: Out of all the actors that's in the film, she's
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Speaker 1: she don't need to be there, right. Most people that
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Speaker 1: that do uh, acting or music, whatever they do it
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Speaker 1: for they need a bag or they do it for popularity.
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Speaker 1: She's already one of the most popular persons in the
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Speaker 1: correct sitting on a you know, a bag of of
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Speaker 1: of of of accolades and economics. So she came there.
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Speaker 1: She she came as an artist, and she got up
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Speaker 1: every morning, no Six in the morning, gotten that makeup chair,
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Speaker 1: came on set and actually had something that I noticed
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Speaker 1: by do you notice actors different actresses or actors got
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Speaker 1: a special quality like shan Meek Moore, he's a sponge, absolutely,
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Speaker 1: but she's like a motor memory, like you know what
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Speaker 1: I mean. Like I seen that in Lucy Lou. I've
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Speaker 1: seen that in Uma Thumb and like people that that
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Speaker 1: could do it twenty times exactly the same way because
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Speaker 1: they already did it in their minds, So she definitely
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Speaker 1: has a she wants to do this.
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Speaker 2: She can go as far as she wanted.
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Speaker 4: Jackson was want us in the theatis because you know,
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Speaker 4: last week the movie came out and then this week.
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Speaker 2: Chocolate comes up.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, which which I think in the culturally is it's
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Speaker 1: a good one two punch and all reality one is
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Speaker 1: very you know, the Jackson movies uplift and bring us
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Speaker 1: our childhood and bring children into that world, right, and
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Speaker 1: then once boone, it's like for.
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Speaker 2: The adults to go, wait a minute, it's very uplifting
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Speaker 2: to me. Man, I'm still mad right now. You do
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Speaker 2: a range of emotions for that last thirty minutes. You like,
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Speaker 2: I'm still bad.
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Speaker 3: So let's talk about it for people that haven't seen it,
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Speaker 3: or explain what what spoon.
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Speaker 2: Of chocolate is.
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Speaker 1: Well, at the end of the day, the title itself,
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Speaker 1: it says a lot, right, because one spoon of chocolate
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Speaker 1: could change the whole glass of milk, you know what
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Speaker 1: I mean. And sometimes you got to put that in there.
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Speaker 1: Sometimes you got to be like yo, change the change
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Speaker 1: the chemistry, change your outcome as an artist. For me,
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Speaker 1: I put a spoonful of different things into this film,
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Speaker 1: like even from different genres.
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Speaker 2: You watch it.
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Speaker 1: One moment you're feeling like angry, next moment you feel like, wait,
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Speaker 1: is this a fucking romantic comedy going on? Because there's
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Speaker 1: there's a vibe of that. Uh. Then then of course
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Speaker 1: there's the there's the action satisfaction. And then to be
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Speaker 1: quite honest, bro, and since he saw he could vouch
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Speaker 1: for this, there you guys, you scared for a moment
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Speaker 1: in that month, absolutely like you're like, hold on, bro,
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Speaker 1: what's gonna happen? You grab on your seat, like, yo's
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Speaker 1: that going to happen?
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Speaker 2: And so I was ready to be mad at you.
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Speaker 4: I'm like, yo, don't don't let that happen, right, No, no,
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Speaker 4: And then something happened and I'm like, oh, no, he
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Speaker 4: did it, and I'm like yeah, trying not to give
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Speaker 4: it away.
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Speaker 5: It was interesting to see how you guys will have
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Speaker 5: the conversation because you were so excited about it without
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Speaker 5: giving the movie away.
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Speaker 1: Well, you know what, I learned something about about filmmaking. Right.
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Speaker 1: It took me to touch my fourth film, so you know,
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Speaker 1: and I feel proud of all my work, but I
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Speaker 1: don't think I ever understood the rubber band effect.
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Speaker 2: So the rubber band effect is you pull that motherfucker
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Speaker 2: right too. It's about the pot. Then you let it go.
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Speaker 1: You just keep doing that, you know what I mean.
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Speaker 1: So now that I understand that, that's the energy you're
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Speaker 1: feeling when you're watching this film.
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Speaker 2: You're like, okay, okay, let me chill.
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Speaker 1: Then you know you're looking at the other people in
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Speaker 1: the audience, and it's definitely an audience film.
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Speaker 2: So you saw it by yourself, right.
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Speaker 4: I mean I watched it on the plane and my
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Speaker 4: wife kept tapping me because I.
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Speaker 2: Was, yeah, people look at you on the plane. And
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Speaker 2: then I watched it again at home.
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Speaker 1: So when you see it with the audience, it's even
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Speaker 1: it's like it's even another thing because now you feel
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Speaker 1: the room, you know.
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Speaker 2: What I mean.
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Speaker 1: Like when I first saw it in New York City,
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Speaker 1: you know, our New York is all YO, was yelling
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Speaker 1: at this when your fuck got sony, do this, do that.
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Speaker 1: But then in La it seemed like everybody was nervous,
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Speaker 1: like yo, you know what I mean. Then in San
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Speaker 1: Francisco I did a quna afterwards it was intellectual, you
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Speaker 1: know what I mean. Everybody took it intellectually, but in
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Speaker 1: Chicago at the Beyond Fest cheering standing ovation. So it
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Speaker 1: gives you, it has the ability to shake you in
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Speaker 1: different directions.
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Speaker 3: Now I know you're an EP and director.
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Speaker 2: Did you write the movie as well?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, break down your mind frame with writing through
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Speaker 3: that these past experiences. Of course that's exaggerated a lot.
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Speaker 3: Button expressed the.
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Speaker 1: Mind frame definitely. I mean well, first of all, started
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Speaker 1: writing it in twenty eleven.
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Speaker 2: Somebody told me that that's wow. Yeah, that's what thirteen
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Speaker 2: years yeah, wow, fourteen years ago.
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Speaker 1: And I tried to but I got stuck bro like
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Speaker 1: writer's block, Like nothing would come out, Like I just
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Speaker 1: page forty nothing five years later, nothing really. But then
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Speaker 1: when we were doing the New York State of Mond tour,
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Speaker 1: on the back of the tour bus, me and my
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Speaker 1: wife just you know, you got the star coach but
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Speaker 1: they're still bouncing, and said, but I'm back there on
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Speaker 1: my computer, and it just came out like water. Every
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Speaker 1: every city, every truck stop, Like I get out to
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Speaker 1: the truck stop sometimes you know, you get off the
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Speaker 1: bus and you might go in there and whatever.
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Speaker 2: I get back on the bus like.
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Speaker 1: And all it just came out so so as far
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Speaker 1: as the mindset of it, you know, it's like it's
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Speaker 1: really taken. You know, we're from New York, right, so
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Speaker 1: I know if you were all close to the same age,
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Speaker 1: do you remember going to the first white castles in
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Speaker 1: Bay Ridge?
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Speaker 2: Bro? Yeah? Yeah, my mom was in Queens Village. But
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Speaker 2: I know what you mean, Yeah, Bro, you couldn't.
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Speaker 1: So if you live on Staten Island you want to
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Speaker 1: go to White Castle, you had to go across the
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Speaker 1: Vera Zano right Vincent Hurst, bay.
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Speaker 2: Ridge, Bro, and you'll do it for a White Castle burger.
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Speaker 1: Back in those days, naw, bro homies was lined up,
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Speaker 1: you know what I mean? You know, I mean me
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Speaker 1: and Dirty got chased out of that White Castle, you
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Speaker 1: know what I mean. I don't know if you know
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Speaker 1: Leftis Boulevard or that side of you know, that side
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Speaker 1: of Queens. Back in those days on Staten Island, there
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Speaker 1: was a place called Rose Bank, you know, and you
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Speaker 1: know it had to It's like once you go onto
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Speaker 1: that bridge, you and Rosebank, but it's set on the bridge.
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Speaker 1: You know, don't come in here, Bro, I mean you
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Speaker 1: go and you go though, because you know a MP
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Speaker 1: was there, so.
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Speaker 2: You might go to packed bags or try to get
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Speaker 2: your hustle on.
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Speaker 1: And yeah, homies, homies, homies would a pickup truck with
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Speaker 1: bats is sending you up out of there. So so
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Speaker 1: that's just a childhood thing that happened in New York City,
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Speaker 1: you know, a reality.
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Speaker 3: The crazy thing is even with Staten Island and two
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Speaker 3: WU team came out, that's what we had. Magine, Staten
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Speaker 3: Island was nothing but white boys in bats and you
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Speaker 3: better not go over there. Parts of Brooklyn would like
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Speaker 3: that you better not go. And even in Queens where
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Speaker 3: John Gotti and them live, like, there were areas where
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Speaker 3: you just like, you're.
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Speaker 2: Not going on on that side of towncause you're gonna
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Speaker 2: get sucked up, exactly.
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Speaker 1: And then and then it evolved, right some of those
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Speaker 1: like I go to rose It's called Rose Bank.
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Speaker 2: I go to Rose Bank.
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Speaker 1: Now bro drinks is on our house instead of partying
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Speaker 1: in the pubs and shit. But that evolution may have
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Speaker 1: happened in New York City. It may have happened uh
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Speaker 1: you know and lost sounge, and may have happened in
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Speaker 1: Philip But this places in the country where it has
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Speaker 1: not happened yet. There's places in our country where uh,
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Speaker 1: people are stuck in the stuck in the past. It's
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Speaker 1: almost like, and I'm gonna say this without trying to
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Speaker 1: be political, I'm gonna say, you got the you got
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Speaker 1: the Obama generation, you know what I mean, and then
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Speaker 1: you got the opposite generation.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know.
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Speaker 4: It's interesting right that that what you just said, because
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Speaker 4: what reason would a black person have to want to
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Speaker 4: be in Karansville?
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Speaker 2: Right right?
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Speaker 1: But when you you know, so Karensville is based in Ohio,
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Speaker 1: and I know.
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Speaker 2: Why unique went, but I'm talking all the other black
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Speaker 2: people that well, no.
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Speaker 1: Because you know, when Ohio was an industry, still mill
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Speaker 1: still mill towns, So people went there for work, you
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Speaker 1: know what I mean. And and the story yourself. You
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Speaker 1: know when I when I when I got my five
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Speaker 1: year probation, I had to go to I went to
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Speaker 1: Ohio myself.
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Speaker 2: Oh okay.
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Speaker 1: So but down the hill what you call it, is
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Speaker 1: where all the blacks lived and all the poverty lived.
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Speaker 1: And that's where the main smoke from the steel mill
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Speaker 1: to cage your house.
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Speaker 2: But up the hill or a little further out.
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Speaker 1: Is you know, nice lawns, and this clean cut in
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Speaker 1: the community is nice. Down the hill, the Basketball Corps
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Speaker 1: is decrepit, and this glass in the park up the hill,
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Speaker 1: it's nice and manicured, and you know what I mean,
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Speaker 1: and you want to play where it's nice. So now
9:30
Speaker 1: you want to go what up the hill? Keep your
9:34
Speaker 1: ass down the hill? So so so Ohio in many
9:40
Speaker 1: Midwest towns because was Magnets, because that's where the steel
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Speaker 1: mill was at. That's where the opportunity was at, you
9:45
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So that's how a lot of
9:47
Speaker 1: us end up there. Now this movie is there's no
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Speaker 1: place known as Karensville. Let's just be I made that
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Speaker 1: up right, But the but the gag of it was
9:56
Speaker 1: that yo a bad turn, you know what I mean,
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Speaker 1: and you could end up somewhere with everything is going
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Speaker 1: to go bad, you know. So that was part of
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Speaker 1: my cinematic magic.
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Speaker 5: I saw you saying the movie is a tribute to
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Speaker 5: ODB two and what it would have been like the
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Speaker 5: superhero he would have been if he had lived past
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Speaker 5: you know.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you know, you know, I'm always, always, always,
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Speaker 1: always gonna always give homage to a son. I named
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Speaker 1: the character Unique after him. There's a scene, one of
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Speaker 1: the scenes when he's driving with his cousin. I did
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Speaker 1: that for all the wuheads, you know what I mean,
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Speaker 1: to feel that energy. Uh. And I wouldn't as far
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Speaker 1: as even naming his cousin Ramsey.
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Speaker 2: Which is old Doddy's baskets, older brother.
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Speaker 1: And he was the first one to have a pair
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Speaker 1: of turntables in our in our family, you know what
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Speaker 1: I mean. He wasn't nice though, you know what I mean.
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Speaker 1: He was he was he was mixing like this, like
10:50
Speaker 1: but me and thirties to get on his city. Yeah,
10:53
Speaker 1: you get mad and shit, you know what I mean.
10:54
Speaker 1: But still, if he didn't have those turntables, we don't
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Speaker 1: start making music, you know what I'm so. So it
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Speaker 1: was my way of paying homage. And then my older
11:03
Speaker 1: brother government name is Randy. His righte's name is a
11:06
Speaker 1: universal king, but his government name is Randy. So just
11:10
Speaker 1: by taking keeping my family engaged energy wise, I named
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Speaker 1: my characters after my family.
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Speaker 2: What time period did this movie take place in? Because
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Speaker 2: I can't tell.
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Speaker 1: I'm glad you said that, bro, because I removed the
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Speaker 1: clock like when you see this film, I strive technically
11:27
Speaker 1: to remove the clock.
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Speaker 2: So you don't know, Yo, did this happen already?
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Speaker 1: Is this gonna happen? Is it happening, now, you know
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Speaker 1: what I mean. So that was a cinematic choice. But
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Speaker 1: go ahead.
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Speaker 6: You said you had writer's block, right, You've been writing
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Speaker 6: it since twenty eleven. But something happened with nothing was
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Speaker 6: coming out. Now, I know you remember when it all.
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Speaker 2: Came to you.
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Speaker 6: But was there something in particular that happened to finish like, oh,
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Speaker 6: this is what this is why I'm finishing it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, the LA or Hollywood went on a writer's strike, right,
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Speaker 1: So now that means nobody he could work, right, And
12:01
Speaker 1: so of course I'm defiant, and so I'm like, you
12:05
Speaker 1: know what a writer's like.
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Speaker 2: That means I'm going to write.
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Speaker 1: And so I started writing some other things, but those
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Speaker 1: things kept getting blocked, like I get seven pages here,
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Speaker 1: seven pages here, and then I just kind of went
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Speaker 1: back to something that had those forty pages, so let
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Speaker 1: me read this and see what this is about. Then
12:19
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, it was like, this is where
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Speaker 1: you belong. So I feel like art sometimes it dictates you,
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Speaker 1: you don't dictate it. Yeah, you know what I mean,
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Speaker 1: And I honestly, we'll say this film is one of
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Speaker 1: those things because like I didn't know to be the
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Speaker 1: result of it. I just knew I had to do it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean.
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Speaker 1: And I and I talked to my wife about it,
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Speaker 1: you know, and she agreed. She was like yo, she
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Speaker 1: came on board as a producer. My brother Divine joined
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Speaker 1: the party, and I needed some help.
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Speaker 2: And I need some help.
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Speaker 1: Kid. Did you do the casting? Yeah, well we had
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Speaker 1: a great casting director named Kim Harding who did a
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Speaker 1: lot of great things. But but shan Meek Moore was
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Speaker 1: automatically my choice him.
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Speaker 2: In mind, Meek.
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Speaker 4: Bodied if in a fair world, he'd be up for
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Speaker 4: every award nomination there.
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Speaker 2: Killed it. But something tells me, Hollywood is not gonna
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Speaker 2: like this one.
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Speaker 1: That's okay, I think they I think at the end
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Speaker 1: of the day, in my opinion, right, it's like it's
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Speaker 1: almost like thirty six Chambers.
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Speaker 2: Motherfuckers don't know what the fuck that shit was. It's like,
13:26
Speaker 2: what is this? You know what I mean?
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Speaker 1: And and the industry itself wasn't ready for that, It
13:30
Speaker 1: wasn't ready for that energy, but the people were, you
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Speaker 1: know what I mean.
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Speaker 2: And and this movie is for the people.
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Speaker 1: It's for the culture, for the it's for the culture,
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Speaker 1: for the for our culture, for the hip hop culture
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Speaker 1: and for American culture. You know, there's one scene in
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Speaker 1: the film that I'll give a spoiler on where our
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Speaker 1: hero he enters this room and and and the American
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Speaker 1: flag is painted everywhere, and and and the But the
14:00
Speaker 1: villains they are desecrating that right because of their their
14:04
Speaker 1: what they're what they're living is not that right. So
14:08
Speaker 1: it's like they're using that flag as a shield, uh,
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Speaker 1: the cover their their wickednesses.
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Speaker 2: Call it right.
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Speaker 1: And he gets into a fight with him, blah blah
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Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah blah blah blah, and he bangs
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Speaker 1: one and the blood splatters on the wall and they're
14:21
Speaker 1: all knocked out, and he picks up their little They
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Speaker 1: had an answer. They have another flag that they use.
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Speaker 1: It's more like insidious. He takes their flag and cleans
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Speaker 1: the American flag bro and salutes it like, yo, I
14:35
Speaker 1: can't get to that point.
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Speaker 2: Yea, yeah, I just killed me. He's he's also a veteran. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: is a veteran.
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Speaker 4: So it's like this tension between you know, the black
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Speaker 4: veteran and the white locals. Are you saying the war
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Speaker 4: don't end when a person comes home?
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Speaker 1: Definitely that I mean there's a scene where when he
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Speaker 1: when you know, when we when he first, you know,
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Speaker 1: tries to manage his own anger.
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Speaker 2: He he has to.
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Speaker 1: He's in a home where they put just called it
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Speaker 1: disposed traumatized veterans, people that got PTSD and all that
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Speaker 1: you just put. You know, a lot of them are
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Speaker 1: stuck in homes and walking around like, you know what
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Speaker 1: I mean, drippling milk out their mouth and shit, you
15:10
Speaker 1: know what I mean.
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Speaker 2: And it's almost like, in a way, you.
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Speaker 1: Know, our country, don't homage the people that went and
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Speaker 1: made it easy for me to go to Disneyland and
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Speaker 1: chill out, get a big presso big fucking golp of whatever,
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Speaker 1: sixty four hours golp walking around nothing happening to us
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Speaker 1: because somebody went and fought and secured that for us.
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Speaker 1: And then you come home and you can't afford that ticket,
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Speaker 1: You can't even enjoy.
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Speaker 2: What you fought for.
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Speaker 1: So that was so I wanted to touch on that,
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Speaker 1: and then touch on it in the black man's way too,
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Speaker 1: because for us even it's almost like we're not even
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Speaker 1: appreciated for how many of our sons and daughters went
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Speaker 1: and fought in God, you know what I mean, So
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Speaker 1: it was was me paying how much of that but
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Speaker 1: showing that, and I think we all could agree that,
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Speaker 1: yo yo, we love this country, bro, you know what
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Speaker 1: I mean. We here, you know what I mean.
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Speaker 2: We you know what I mean.
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Speaker 1: We help innovate it to be what it be, and
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Speaker 1: and and continue in every aspect of it. And so
16:22
Speaker 1: we don't want to be like, yo, bro, I came
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Speaker 1: and hooked all this up. Now you can't come back in,
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Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Nah, bro, yo, boy, don't
16:29
Speaker 1: you remember me? I'm the one that now I don't
16:30
Speaker 1: remember your boom closed the door, let in others who
16:33
Speaker 1: didn't do nothing. So so it was that psychology. I
16:36
Speaker 1: wanted to get a course in that character.
16:38
Speaker 5: It's what you leave one war and go into another.
16:40
Speaker 5: Like that feeling. But when you were talking about the
16:42
Speaker 5: time clock and the fact that you removed the time clock,
16:44
Speaker 5: that's very reminiscent of like how life is in real
16:47
Speaker 5: life today, Like there's things happening that like my grandma
16:50
Speaker 5: was telling about when I was growing up, right, And
16:51
Speaker 5: I'm trying to figure out, okay my niece even want
16:53
Speaker 5: to experience that. And some days I feel like, oh no,
16:55
Speaker 5: we'll get to a place and the other days I'm like, nah,
16:57
Speaker 5: we should prepare her then, like I don't know, Like
16:59
Speaker 5: it's it's all like evolving. You don't know what time period'reat,
17:02
Speaker 5: even though we know the year that we are right.
17:03
Speaker 1: Now, that's what that's You're right about that, and you
17:06
Speaker 1: just said the magic world though, prepare. If anything people
17:09
Speaker 1: should get from this film is that preparation is everything.
17:12
Speaker 2: I love that scene everything.
17:14
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I love that Preparation is everything, y'all
17:17
Speaker 1: for whatever, I don't care. You know, we probably some
17:20
Speaker 1: dudes I don't want to study, study for the test. Now,
17:24
Speaker 1: prepare yourself for everything, y'all.
17:26
Speaker 2: Hold on that. Y'all got to see the movie.
17:29
Speaker 4: All that shit makes sense now, Like when he got
17:31
Speaker 4: when he received the book on the bus and I
17:33
Speaker 4: got it.
17:34
Speaker 1: You see what he saw.
17:34
Speaker 4: And when the guy was giving the sermon in the
17:36
Speaker 4: church about preparation while he's prepared, Oh my.
17:39
Speaker 2: God, y'all gotta go see it.
17:39
Speaker 3: Man, Quentin Tarantino. What what did he bring out of
17:42
Speaker 3: this movie that you necessarily didn't see the vision that
17:44
Speaker 3: he saw Because even from the opening scene when he's
17:47
Speaker 3: when he's when he's locked up and he's punching. I'm like,
17:49
Speaker 3: that's a Quittin Tarantino scene. The way it comes through
17:51
Speaker 3: the bridge. I'm like, that's how it is. But what
17:53
Speaker 3: was something that he brought out that you necessarily learned
17:56
Speaker 3: from him?
17:56
Speaker 2: I should say, well.
17:57
Speaker 1: It wasn't that on it like like on this he
17:59
Speaker 1: he didn't. He didn't have hands on you know, but
18:01
Speaker 1: he gave me the green light to allow it to
18:04
Speaker 1: exist in his world.
18:05
Speaker 2: So does that mean?
18:06
Speaker 1: So if anybody who watched Clinting Tiantino movies, you know
18:08
Speaker 1: that all his characters exist in the world. They all
18:11
Speaker 1: smoke red apple cigarettes, right, all red apple product. Everybody
18:16
Speaker 1: always want to know what's in that briefcase in pulp
18:18
Speaker 1: fixing to open that briefcase, that light hits you, what
18:21
Speaker 1: is that? So in our film it exists in that world.
18:24
Speaker 1: There's a scene what you just mentioned where our hero
18:28
Speaker 1: there's a guy who opens.
18:29
Speaker 2: A briefcase, but we don't see the briefcase open. All
18:32
Speaker 2: we see is a book come out.
18:34
Speaker 1: And when Homie gets the book, he got the book,
18:36
Speaker 1: but when he opens the book, there's the light. So
18:39
Speaker 1: it's playing inside that world like maybe that book was
18:43
Speaker 1: in that briefcase in pulp fixing. And the idea for
18:45
Speaker 1: me to do that, and for Quenton even to give
18:47
Speaker 1: me the green light to play with those toys, is
18:50
Speaker 1: that the book is the knowledge regardless. If you know,
18:55
Speaker 1: you can change, you could do something better, you can
18:57
Speaker 1: add on. So the knowledge has to always be present
19:01
Speaker 1: and prevalent.
19:02
Speaker 3: I gotta watch it again now, I I want.
19:04
Speaker 2: To watch it again. I gotta watch it again. What
19:06
Speaker 2: made you want to address uh organ traffic?
19:10
Speaker 4: The only boyson never heard talk about that publicly was
19:12
Speaker 4: Dick Gregory when he was on Breakfast.
19:14
Speaker 1: But did gravity that that brother was step? I mean
19:17
Speaker 1: for let's say that part for those who see it. Okay, okay, yeah,
19:21
Speaker 1: let's let's hold that spoiler.
19:22
Speaker 2: Got you? Got you, man? I to talk about so much? Done? Man.
19:28
Speaker 4: I will say this because this is in the trailer,
19:31
Speaker 4: like you see you know, unique come to a quiet town, right,
19:35
Speaker 4: but then he quickly realizes that quiet town is actually dangerous.
19:38
Speaker 2: What made you want to tell that version?
19:40
Speaker 1: Yeah? Because because because you never looked like I said,
19:43
Speaker 1: it's the town is dangerous. But more importantly, the town
19:48
Speaker 1: needs to change.
19:50
Speaker 2: Right.
19:50
Speaker 1: The town is representing generations where the sheriff and his
19:54
Speaker 1: his his his mindset, they're stuck in the past. And
19:57
Speaker 1: we got people Nowaday that's stuck in the past or trying.
20:01
Speaker 2: To drag you back to the past.
20:03
Speaker 1: Right, And then you got Dollar played by Paris Jackson
20:07
Speaker 1: and Avita played by Marie Crutchfield. They are already in
20:12
Speaker 1: the future. They get it already, you know what I mean.
20:15
Speaker 1: And so but but then there then Ramsey, he's he's
20:19
Speaker 1: kind of passive about it, you know what I mean.
20:21
Speaker 1: You know, you got the homie that's like, y'o whatever, y'allah,
20:23
Speaker 1: mind my business, keep it cool, won't give a fuck.
20:26
Speaker 1: Nobody ain't really bothering me. I notice it is bullshit.
20:29
Speaker 1: But it's like when you need comes, it's like, nah, bro,
20:32
Speaker 1: cool but not cool, you know what I mean. It's
20:34
Speaker 1: a lot of injustice is going on and who's going
20:38
Speaker 1: to stand up for the justice? And sometimes you don't
20:40
Speaker 1: stand up for justice until you totally pushed against the wall,
20:44
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.
20:45
Speaker 4: And so so in your mind, Dirty wouldn't be going
20:47
Speaker 4: for none of this, right, nah, you.
20:49
Speaker 1: Know what I mean, exactly what maybe in the beginning
20:53
Speaker 1: here he'll do the knowledge and ship once he's see it, Nah, bro,
20:57
Speaker 1: you know me and Dirty Bro, and this you know,
21:00
Speaker 1: this is the story once again is uh you know
21:04
Speaker 1: has fiction, it has that, but has reality inspiration. But Yo,
21:08
Speaker 1: one day we was walking from Lending Plaza to the
21:10
Speaker 1: A train to a Grant Avenue. That's that's the stop.
21:13
Speaker 1: But if you go, if you go two blocks this way,
21:16
Speaker 1: you're right in the middle of a very very strong
21:21
Speaker 1: white neighborhood. And this is we're young, like fourteen fifteen
21:24
Speaker 1: years old. We just got knowledge of self. We got
21:28
Speaker 1: our flags on and shit, but we didn't even have
21:30
Speaker 1: the ones with the button. We had to sit hanging
21:31
Speaker 1: on your neck like the fake one, right, but we
21:34
Speaker 1: proud of this shit. Bro. We walking and we was,
21:36
Speaker 1: you know, into break dancing hip hop and Dirty was
21:39
Speaker 1: pop locking and we had these other Puerto Rican brothers
21:42
Speaker 1: that would break dance too. They'll come to the plaza.
21:45
Speaker 1: So now we walk into the train station. We run
21:46
Speaker 1: into these Puerto Rican brothers and they got beat they've
21:49
Speaker 1: been they look they got beat up.
21:50
Speaker 2: Yo, No, no, they they fucked us up. They fucked
21:53
Speaker 2: us up.
21:54
Speaker 1: It ain't got nothing to do with us.
21:55
Speaker 2: But we know these dudes.
21:56
Speaker 1: We're like, who hoo know these dudes over there. So
21:59
Speaker 1: let's go get them. So so we go, you know,
22:03
Speaker 1: a different direction to go as if we're going to
22:05
Speaker 1: go fuck up some motherfuckers.
22:07
Speaker 2: And we get there.
22:08
Speaker 1: We turned into the corner bro into this It was
22:11
Speaker 1: like a school lot. Well thirty white boys had liquor
22:15
Speaker 1: bottles and beers lying all on the wall. They was
22:17
Speaker 1: part drinking and they saw us boat and we walked
22:20
Speaker 1: in towards we walked into us.
22:22
Speaker 2: Walking out was not easy. We got too deep in.
22:25
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, ship, and they just came like,
22:27
Speaker 1: you know, they said everything they had to say, you
22:30
Speaker 1: know what I mean. They did some physical damage to
22:32
Speaker 1: us as well.
22:33
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
22:35
Speaker 1: We had to get witty to get out of that ship,
22:38
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. We had to use our
22:39
Speaker 1: wisdom and negotiate our way out of there. And we
22:41
Speaker 1: got out of there. You know.
22:43
Speaker 2: But as they walked us out, they was like.
22:46
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's Loan forever homie, like that in our homie.
22:49
Speaker 1: But it was seeing a lot of a lot of
22:51
Speaker 1: nigga shit go blah blah blah, and uh. We got
22:54
Speaker 1: to ask Whip that day, did you have to give
22:58
Speaker 1: up a basketball in the past niggas, We didn't have
23:00
Speaker 1: to give up. We didn't have to give up shit,
23:02
Speaker 1: but it was like they could have took whatever they wanted,
23:05
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So so I never forgot that.
23:07
Speaker 1: I was like, well, you know, we was only fourteen fifteen.
23:09
Speaker 1: I was like, yo, that day was was a date,
23:12
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So in our in our film,
23:14
Speaker 1: you kind of get that energy where you you there
23:17
Speaker 1: and the motherfuckers come and nothing you could do. But
23:20
Speaker 1: in this in the film, our hero actually has the
23:23
Speaker 1: ability man to handle itself.
23:25
Speaker 4: I mean, the movie feels very personal. What pain were
23:28
Speaker 4: you channeling when you when you wrote this.
23:31
Speaker 1: Like, like, be honest, charlam Man, I don't think I
23:34
Speaker 1: was channeling my pain. I think I was channeling pain
23:37
Speaker 1: that people are feeling. Like like I said, it came
23:41
Speaker 1: out like like to watery, like like I'm like all places.
23:45
Speaker 2: Do you know I've been blessed? You know what I mean?
23:49
Speaker 1: You know we all been blessed with you know, you
23:51
Speaker 1: know you waking up, you know, your your problems are
23:53
Speaker 1: our problems are small, but people problems ain't small, and
23:58
Speaker 1: people problems is probably you know, so much fear, so
24:01
Speaker 1: much different things in their hearts, and so much miscommunication.
24:05
Speaker 1: You know my composer Tyler Bates, who does big Hollywood
24:11
Speaker 1: movies like John Wick and Guardian of the Galaxy, et cetera.
24:14
Speaker 1: And it's the producer of Malan Manson. I needed somebody
24:19
Speaker 1: to help me with the music, and so my buddy
24:22
Speaker 1: Mark Abraham.
24:23
Speaker 2: Was like, I got a friend who can help.
24:26
Speaker 1: I didn't know Tyler, and so he called Tyler, and
24:28
Speaker 1: Tyler watched the film and then he came and said, Yo,
24:32
Speaker 1: I'm going to help you with this, bro, right, because
24:35
Speaker 1: I couldn't afford this guy. So I'm going to help
24:37
Speaker 1: you because I want people to see this.
24:40
Speaker 2: He said.
24:42
Speaker 1: The characters in there that's on the villain side him
24:48
Speaker 1: as a as a white man, basically hoping that none
24:52
Speaker 1: of those qualities exist.
24:54
Speaker 2: In him or his peers. Right.
24:57
Speaker 1: So it's the same way like in Django when you
24:59
Speaker 1: saw Sam Jackson played what they call the I could
25:03
Speaker 1: see nigga here. I don't like, I don't even say
25:06
Speaker 1: nigga that much, like two or three times a day.
25:09
Speaker 2: I got it. Contain what a cool role. Samuel Jackson
25:14
Speaker 2: was the cool role uncle Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
25:16
Speaker 1: He played the uncle Tom joint right. But when he
25:19
Speaker 1: played it, you didn't want none of that to be
25:23
Speaker 1: in you. In fact, Minister fire Con once said I
25:26
Speaker 1: seen him get interviewed about Django and it was like,
25:29
Speaker 1: Minister fire Cohn, uh, Spike Lee is boycott and Jango?
25:35
Speaker 1: What do you think? You know, Minister fire I'm paraphrasing,
25:38
Speaker 1: he said, did he see it? He said, no, he
25:40
Speaker 1: won't see it. So what do you think about that?
25:42
Speaker 1: What do you think about the movie? And minister said,
25:44
Speaker 1: I haven't seen it, you know, so I can't speak
25:47
Speaker 1: on it. But the brother Spike, who's a very intelligent brother,
25:49
Speaker 1: if he wants to boycott it, that's his right. About
25:52
Speaker 1: two weeks later they interviewed him again, said Minister fire Con,
25:56
Speaker 1: I needn seen Jingo.
25:57
Speaker 2: What do you think it was.
25:58
Speaker 1: A marvelous movie? He said, the way they played it,
26:04
Speaker 1: the depicting Leonardo, Sam Jameson. Sam Jackson played the Uncle
26:08
Speaker 1: Tom so well that if there was any Tom in you,
26:12
Speaker 1: you felt uncomfortable.
26:14
Speaker 2: That's to me.
26:15
Speaker 1: It's the characters of Jimmy and the Sheriff and our movie.
26:19
Speaker 1: If anybody is watching this and days go, that's me.
26:22
Speaker 1: They hopefully something shakes them up a little bit and
26:25
Speaker 1: they get some passion out of them and let go
26:27
Speaker 1: of that.
26:29
Speaker 4: What does one spoony chocolate teach people about life in
26:31
Speaker 4: two thousand twenty six?
26:32
Speaker 2: What do you hope it teaches people?
26:33
Speaker 1: Well, the biggest thing, like I said, is preparation, yo,
26:37
Speaker 1: you gotta you know, and also be prepared or accept
26:40
Speaker 1: the change, the chance of change. You know. The title
26:44
Speaker 1: came in twenty eleven and I was writing a dart
26:47
Speaker 1: and I don't know if this dart ever came out.
26:48
Speaker 2: I keep saying that.
26:49
Speaker 1: I can't remember if I said it on a song
26:51
Speaker 1: or not. But it was like, you want a spoonful
26:53
Speaker 1: of dope or a spoonful of hope, you know what
26:57
Speaker 1: I mean. And so it's like, okay, that led to
27:00
Speaker 1: a spoonful of chocolate, because one spoon of chocolate could
27:04
Speaker 1: change the whole glass of milk.
27:07
Speaker 6: Got to go, I know, Okay, real quick, congratulations on
27:10
Speaker 6: being into the Hall of Fame.
27:15
Speaker 2: Let's turn that up a little bit. Congratulations to Wan.
27:19
Speaker 1: That's right, inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of
27:22
Speaker 1: Fame period.
27:23
Speaker 2: That's right right there.
27:26
Speaker 1: You know, I'm good with that. Shout out to the
27:29
Speaker 1: w Tang brothers, man, I appreciate all of us and
27:33
Speaker 1: this is all accolades.
27:36
Speaker 2: Everybody had the.
27:36
Speaker 1: Kool Aid smile, you know what I mean, So thank
27:39
Speaker 1: you for that.
27:39
Speaker 2: Yah was that?
27:41
Speaker 1: Was that a goal level, unexpected, unexpected, And we'll talk
27:46
Speaker 1: about it again one day, but definitely make the most
27:50
Speaker 1: recent thing that made me feel like a child again.
27:53
Speaker 1: Giddy giddy, giddy, bunk bunk bunk.
27:56
Speaker 3: And I don't want to end on the understanding. We
27:57
Speaker 3: also gotta say rest in peace to the power. So
27:59
Speaker 3: you know, brother family member, one of the founding fathers.
28:02
Speaker 3: So we just wanted to say, you know, our condolence
28:04
Speaker 3: is always with every member of the room.
28:05
Speaker 4: For that one spooned chocolate in theaters today.
28:09
Speaker 3: That's right, make sure you go check it out. One
28:11
Speaker 3: spoont of chocolate. I'm sixty two minutes in. But now
28:14
Speaker 3: after talking to Risk, I got to start over now
28:16
Speaker 3: because that is different things that I've seen that I
28:18
Speaker 3: collected that I didn't get before.
28:20
Speaker 4: Last thirty minutes and some of the best cinema I've
28:22
Speaker 4: ever seen in my life.
28:23
Speaker 2: The last thirty minutes is like chefs, man, I can't wait.
28:27
Speaker 1: Wait, all right, Well, there you have it in the building.
28:30
Speaker 2: It's the breakfast Club.
28:31
Speaker 3: Good morning, Hold up, every day I wake go, click
28:35
Speaker 3: your ass up the breakfast club you don't finish for
28:38
Speaker 3: y'all done