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Assen Delivers, Aprilia Implodes, and Marquez Marches On: MotoGP Pit Talk · Pit Talk

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the land of windmills, waffles and wheel to
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Speaker 1: wheel warfare, because the Cathedral of speed well and truly
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Speaker 1: delivered in Acden for around eleven of the twenty twenty
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Speaker 1: five Motor GP World Championship, Mark Marquez is marching towards
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Speaker 1: the title like a man on a mission. But it's
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Speaker 1: a prillier stealing the headlines for two very different reasons.
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Speaker 1: As always, this episode of Pittalk is proudly brought to
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Speaker 1: you by Shannon's Insurance. I'm your host, Ronita vmullen, and
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Speaker 1: joining me is the man who is as reliable as
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Speaker 1: a Dutch bike and equationally just as squeaky, the one
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Speaker 1: and only mister Matt Clayton. Matt had to get a
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Speaker 1: few little dutchisms in there, but we have to start
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Speaker 1: this podcast by talking about Joge Martin and a prillier,
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Speaker 1: because once again Jai Martin's in the headlines and not
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Speaker 1: for racing on track. No.
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Speaker 2: I did get a little distracted with waffles halfway through
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Speaker 2: the intro there because I thought, oh, I haven't had
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Speaker 2: one of those for while. Let it go quite nicely,
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Speaker 2: but yeah, isn't it funny? We're what ten rounds into
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Speaker 2: Motor GP season and Jorge Martin has done thirteen racing
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Speaker 2: laps in a Grand Prix and here we are leading
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Speaker 2: a podcast talking about him again and it's for the
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Speaker 2: same story that won't go away, but for a completely
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Speaker 2: different reason, because things escalated over the course of the
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Speaker 2: as and weekend. And before I go too deep on this,
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Speaker 2: you were in that paddock over the weekend and it
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Speaker 2: just seemed like the story just kept escalating and escalating
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Speaker 2: to a point where you were almost prepared to believe
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Speaker 2: anything the longer the race weekend went. Take our listeners
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Speaker 2: on the inside for that, because you were privy to
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Speaker 2: all of these conversations that were going on behind the scenes,
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Speaker 2: and it just felt like it really ramped up from
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Speaker 2: attention point of view, didn't it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, So obviously on track, you know, we had a
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Speaker 1: lot of crashes this weekend and which we'll dive into
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Speaker 1: with track temperature and everything. But sitting in the media
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Speaker 1: center working, all of a sudden, you see something that's
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Speaker 1: popped up on social media from Jogeey, Martin's manager saying,
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Speaker 1: how you know, we're looking at other options for next year.
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Speaker 1: Next minute, all the journalists are running around to each
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Speaker 1: other when the writers are in for media scrums, you know,
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Speaker 1: they're asking them on their opinions or what's going on.
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Speaker 1: Then we have Albeldo Puge from Honda because there was
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Speaker 1: a mention of possibility of Honda coming into Joge Martin's sphere.
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Speaker 1: Next minute, everything's going on from there. And then as
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Speaker 1: it's starting to really escalate, really escalate, I'm hearing talks
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Speaker 1: from Matt Burjack Appleyard, these guys saying about you know
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Speaker 1: what they're going to speak to them on air about
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Speaker 1: are they getting questions? Then it's Carlos Espeletta, the CEO
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Speaker 1: of Moto GP. He's then put out a statement as well.
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Speaker 1: The drama that happened off track in aison was just
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Speaker 1: as exciting as the drama that was happening on track.
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Speaker 1: And I don't know about you, Matt, My biggest takeaway
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Speaker 1: from all of this is Joge Martin's reputation right now.
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Speaker 1: I think for him, he's having to put his trust
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Speaker 1: into his manager and he's believing his manager's doing the
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Speaker 1: right thing. For those who have been in following Retogipi
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Speaker 1: for a long time, you would know that his manager
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Speaker 1: does have quite a reputation for doing stuff like that.
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Speaker 1: We know Jgey Martin doesn't have a good relationship with
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Speaker 1: other manufacturers in the paddock, but I think that for
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Speaker 1: now Joege Martin, people are starting to not look at
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Speaker 1: him so well portrayed. We know he suffered with those
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Speaker 1: injuries and what happened in guitar you wouldn't wish on anyone.
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Speaker 1: But now it's starting to get to that next point
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Speaker 1: where it's like you're kind of starting to burn your bridges,
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Speaker 1: like you're not gonna have any more options. And we
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Speaker 1: know the type of writer Jogey Martin is, and I
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Speaker 1: truly believe if he was there on the Apilia now
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Speaker 1: fit and healthy, I think that would be he wouldn't
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Speaker 1: be fighting for the championship, but I think he'd be
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Speaker 1: challenging for podiums and really putting up a good fight
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Speaker 1: so far this season. But now it's none of that,
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Speaker 1: that's all out the window. You almost forget that he
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Speaker 1: is the world champion for former world championship and put
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Speaker 1: up that fight to Pego Banyaya, and now you're just
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Speaker 1: seeing all these headlines and showing side of Jujae Martin.
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Speaker 1: I don't think is going to help him in the future.
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Speaker 2: No, we were talking about this off here before and
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Speaker 2: I wrote this for Fox Sports dot com dot Au
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Speaker 2: today Wednesday here in Australia, I think at the start
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Speaker 2: of the year, with all of the injuries that he
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Speaker 2: had had from two accidents on the apillia and then
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Speaker 2: that one accident you had when he was training on
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Speaker 2: the supermotobike back in Andorra, there was a lot of
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Speaker 2: sympathy for what he was going through because he clearly
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Speaker 2: had a lot of horrible injuries. He was legitimately beaten up.
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Speaker 2: It was a great shame that we didn't get to
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Speaker 2: see that great theater of the number one on an
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Speaker 2: aprillia that he had earned with another manufacturer going against
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Speaker 2: the manufacturer that he had left. We didn't really get
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Speaker 2: to see that obviously until Katar and then a horrendous
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Speaker 2: accident there the incredibly bad luck being hit by the
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Speaker 2: jan Antonio stuck in the hospital for two weeks because
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Speaker 2: he couldn't fly with the lung injury and the broken ribs.
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Speaker 2: There was a lot of sympathy for everything that he
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Speaker 2: was going to going through rather but then you get
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Speaker 2: to this situation after well, just around the time the
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Speaker 2: French Grand Prix, where he he made it clear to
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Speaker 2: a Prillier that he wasn't willing to stay because there
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Speaker 2: was a clause in the contract that said he was
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Speaker 2: free to go elsewhere if he was not in the
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Speaker 2: top three the championship at a certain point of the season.
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Speaker 2: And you can look at it and go, well, yes,
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Speaker 2: that's true by the letter of the law. The reason
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Speaker 2: you're not anywhere near the top three in the World
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Speaker 2: Championship is because you haven't raced. And we've seen this
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Speaker 2: using clauses with context before, where he's got it out
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Speaker 2: of situations that he didn't want to be in. And
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Speaker 2: we talked about this in a podcast a while ago,
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Speaker 2: but a lot of people may not know this. He
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Speaker 2: was supposed to come to Motor GP with KTM in
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty one, and there was a clause in that
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Speaker 2: contract in twenty twenty when he was still in Moto
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Speaker 2: two if there was not a KTM rider in the
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Speaker 2: top ten of the championship by July one of that season,
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Speaker 2: then he was free to look elsewhere. Now, what didn't
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Speaker 2: happen until well after July one in twenty twenty There
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Speaker 2: was no racing because there was a pandemic, and so
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Speaker 2: the season didn't even start until Spain until towards the
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Speaker 2: end of July. We forget how late that was. While
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Speaker 2: that's a round, will always remember for other reasons. I
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Speaker 2: Mark Marquez falling off and started udding this run of
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Speaker 2: years where he was either injured or recovering from injuries.
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Speaker 2: That was the clause that he used to break a
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Speaker 2: KTM contract. So again, by the letter of the law,
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Speaker 2: fine in terms of is that the right moral play
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Speaker 2: to rely on a one in one hundred year pandemic
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Speaker 2: to get yourself out of something you don't want to do.
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Speaker 2: It didn't pass the smell test, and so by that situation.
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Speaker 2: Because of that situation, he's burned KTM. We know that
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Speaker 2: after things didn't go the way he wanted it to Catty,
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Speaker 2: he pretty much rage quit them and signed with a
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Speaker 2: Prillier in about twenty four hours, which you know, the
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Speaker 2: more we go into this, now that looks like a
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Speaker 2: contract that was signed in twenty four hours, because there's
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Speaker 2: clearly a lot of conjecture about what it should be said.
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Speaker 2: So he's escaped going to KTM. He's rage quick to Catti.
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Speaker 2: Now he's looking to leave a Prillier. There's only five
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Speaker 2: manufacturers in MotoGP and I'm not brilliant at Mathaditta, but
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Speaker 2: that only leaves two. And Yamaha has already got the
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Speaker 2: situation where they've got five riders of four bikes. They
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Speaker 2: don't need anybody else in the mix. They've already got
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Speaker 2: too many riders for the bikes that they have. So,
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Speaker 2: to my mind, when he came out and said that
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Speaker 2: he wanted to escape this a Prillier contract, he clearly
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Speaker 2: had Honda in mindus a destination he wanted to go to.
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Speaker 2: We know that Luca Marini's out of contract with the
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Speaker 2: factory team there. But what was really interesting for me
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Speaker 2: and why personally I reckon this blew up at Asen.
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Speaker 2: After he had made that statement that he wanted to
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Speaker 2: leave a Prillier, Aprillia came out with this press release
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Speaker 2: Silverston you may remember, and it was basically, like the
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Speaker 2: writer's under contract. It would be wrong for other manufacturers
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Speaker 2: to talk to a contract and writer while he's under contract.
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Speaker 2: We've got nothing else to say. And I looked back
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Speaker 2: when that was released, that was a twenty second of
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Speaker 2: may so going back a fair while right, And so
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Speaker 2: that's how long ago this was and there'd been crickets
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Speaker 2: from a prelier since then, they had said nothing, and
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Speaker 2: I think because the story had stalled out and Martine
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Speaker 2: still you know, he's getting closer to returning, but he's
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Speaker 2: still not back. I think that was pretty deliberate by
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Speaker 2: management over the weekend to let's get this thing back
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Speaker 2: out there and look, Honda's an option we're considering. And
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Speaker 2: Albert Valaria did an interview with Jack Appleyard on the
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Speaker 2: Motor GP Live Fee, which you probably were there while
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Speaker 2: it was going on, and I certainly heard it, and
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Speaker 2: that was the stone that got thrown in the pond
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Speaker 2: that started this ripple effect of all of these other
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Speaker 2: reactions to that particular interview. What was interesting for me
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Speaker 2: was that Carmello espeletter from Dawner came out and said, look,
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Speaker 2: you know, we're not going to allow unless this is resolved.
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Speaker 2: We're not going to allow this for him to compete
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Speaker 2: for a manufacturer when there's not been an appropriate severance
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Speaker 2: of contract with a prillier in this case. And off
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Speaker 2: the back of that, Masama Rivella from a Prillier got
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Speaker 2: quite punchy on Sunday at Asen and basically said, look,
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Speaker 2: there's two options here. We can either sit around the
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Speaker 2: table and have a sensible discussion as to what's an
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Speaker 2: amicable parting if that's going to be the way it goes,
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Speaker 2: or we can go to court. It's up to you.
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Speaker 2: And I don't know about you, but I can't see
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Speaker 2: I find it bizarre to think that Martin's attempted to
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Speaker 2: come back to race for a Prillier at some point,
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Speaker 2: you know, perhaps as early as Czech Republic in two
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Speaker 2: rounds of time. That seems bizarre to me that they
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Speaker 2: could even go and work together while this contract is
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Speaker 2: still active. I have no doubt that Jem's going to
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Speaker 2: be on a Honda next year. The only question now
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Speaker 2: is how much is it going to cost? Because all
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Speaker 2: of these contracts can be settled, there'll be and as
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Speaker 2: they like to call it, a for an undisclosed sum,
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Speaker 2: or there'll be some sort of fine print where they
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Speaker 2: can't reveal it. How much is he going to have
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Speaker 2: to pay to get himself out of a contract where
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Speaker 2: he's got a clear case of buyer's remorse. But you know, look,
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Speaker 2: he's probably got lots of money he can afford these
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Speaker 2: sorts of things. The lawyers will get rich because that's
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Speaker 2: what lawyers do. But the point that you made at
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Speaker 2: the beginning of this, the damage reputationally to a writer
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Speaker 2: that had all of the sympathy in his quarter because
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Speaker 2: of how broken he was because of all these accidents,
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Speaker 2: I reckon that's completely shifted now, and there's a lot
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Speaker 2: of people that are saying, well, he's not actually given
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Speaker 2: a Prillier a chance here. And as you said at
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Speaker 2: the start of this, isn't it bizarre He came out
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Speaker 2: before Silverstone and made the comment that he wanted to
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Speaker 2: break and then Berzeki wins at Silverstone. All this blows
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Speaker 2: up at Assen on the weekend, and then Berzeki finished
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Speaker 2: the second in the Grand Prix, and you know, if
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Speaker 2: it wasn't Mark Marquez ahead of it, probably would have
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Speaker 2: won it because I think he would have beaten any
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Speaker 2: other rider. Just when Aprilia is getting dragged into these
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Speaker 2: really uncomfortable situations, up pops Marco Bozeki, who's also new
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Speaker 2: to Aprillia this year and gets a fantastic result. So
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Speaker 2: I can't help but think Bozeki is a very good
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Speaker 2: motor GP rider. He's not a world champion he's not
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Speaker 2: a fully fit Jogey Martin. The Aprillia right now, you
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Speaker 2: could argue the second best bike in motor GP. What
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Speaker 2: could a fully fit Jogey Martin do if he's motivated
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Speaker 2: on an Aprillier I reckon that would add another fantastic
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Speaker 2: element into the World Championship fight, But sadly we're probably
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Speaker 2: never gonna know AOI.
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Speaker 1: Well, that leads me to think, why would Jorge Martin,
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Speaker 1: who is a World Championship champion and we know the
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Speaker 1: caliber of writer that he is, want to go to Honda?
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Speaker 1: Why we know Honda at the moments not the best manufacturer. Okay,
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Speaker 1: the new rules are coming in twenty twenty seven, but
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Speaker 1: there's still no guarantee that Honda are going to make
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Speaker 1: this huge jump in twenty twenty seven. So why Lind,
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Speaker 1: like you said, the potentially second best manufacturer of right now.
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Speaker 1: Obviously we don't know what's happening with KTM, but why
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Speaker 1: leave them right now to go to a IF button? Maybe?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I can see the logic in that if you're
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Speaker 2: looking at twenty twenty seven as a blank sheet of paper,
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Speaker 2: which it is to a degree, because these bikes are
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Speaker 2: going to be so different eight fifties, none of the
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Speaker 2: right height devices, none of the arrow on them. You
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Speaker 2: would put more faith in Honda being able to design
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Speaker 2: a better bike from a clean sheet of paper than
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Speaker 2: a Prillier. And that's no slight on a Prillier. But
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Speaker 2: it comes down to racing pedigree. We know that Honda
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Speaker 2: has huge pedigree in this sport hasn't been what it
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Speaker 2: was in the recent past, but you go back longer
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Speaker 2: than that, and it's just this. You know who's who
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Speaker 2: of motor GP, of one's titles on Hondas, and you
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Speaker 2: also have to imagine the resource both in terms of
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Speaker 2: manpower and budget at Honda is going to be ten, fifteen,
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Speaker 2: twenty five times what a Prillier can throw it at.
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Speaker 2: It's a completely different kettle of fish in that regard.
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Speaker 2: So you can see the logic in that if we're
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Speaker 2: all starting from the same start point here, then perhaps
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Speaker 2: the Honda is a better bet. And that's part of it.
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Speaker 2: I think if this rule set that we're in right
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Speaker 2: now is continuing for another three to five years, then
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Speaker 2: you would argue that Honda is not the better bet
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Speaker 2: because ever since Mark Marquez left Honda, it's been pretty
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Speaker 2: bleak if had the odd win here and there. Obviously
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Speaker 2: Zarco this year at Lamont. But so I think the
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Speaker 2: timing of it is part of it, Like can you
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Speaker 2: get in there in twenty six and then be around
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Speaker 2: for twenty seven If and that's a small word with
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Speaker 2: big consequences. If if Honda can actually get it right,
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Speaker 2: you'd probably see the logic in that. But in the
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Speaker 2: short term you just have to wonder how many more
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Speaker 2: bridges could you burn? As you said before, And look,
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Speaker 2: maybe he doesn't care less about the reputation, and you
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Speaker 2: know what people think about the way he's going about this,
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Speaker 2: there's going to be a sporting reason for him to
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Speaker 2: want to go that he's prepared to take a risk on.
12:52
Speaker 2: Maybe that's an easier decision you can make. If you've
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Speaker 2: already won a world championship, you can sort of say, well,
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Speaker 2: who cares, I've already won one of these things, so
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Speaker 2: maybe I can take it of a gamble. But you
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Speaker 2: just have to look at the way. I think a
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Speaker 2: Prilliad is almost the best emotor GP at doing the
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Speaker 2: most with the least, and that's I'm not dissing a
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Speaker 2: Prilliam in that sense, but in terms of the resource
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Speaker 2: and the budget. You know, they are a small using
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Speaker 2: air quotes, small manufacturer relative to something as big as
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Speaker 2: Yabaha or as big as Hondo or even Ducati It
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Speaker 2: Prilli does a really great job with what they have.
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Speaker 2: But man, it's tough, isn't it. Like you said, you
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Speaker 2: are putting so much reputationally, You're betting so much on
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Speaker 2: something that is still an unknown and yet it might
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Speaker 2: have more of a chance from twenty twenty seven onwards.
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Speaker 2: But there's no guarantees in all of this, And you
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Speaker 2: only have to look at some of the writers that
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Speaker 2: have been on Hondas in the last few years, Like
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Speaker 2: I'm sure if you ask Juan Mira, like, well, how
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Speaker 2: do you fancy writing you know, a Repsol Honda or
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Speaker 2: a factory Honda, he would have said, fantastic, let's do that.
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Speaker 2: Look at what's happened to him since he went there
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Speaker 2: after Suzuki folded. He's basically broken himself into a million
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Speaker 2: pieces and doesn't even finish on podiums anymore and just
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Speaker 2: looks a shadow of what he was. And he's world
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Speaker 2: champion five years ago. So you can put a lot
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Speaker 2: in these moves based on the reputation of a company
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Speaker 2: and it can fall over for you. He's living proof
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Speaker 2: of that. There's proof of other guys that have gone
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Speaker 2: you know, the right way at the right time as well.
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Speaker 2: But it's a serious gamble my Martine at this point.
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Speaker 1: But it's not only Martin who's potentially looking for the
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Speaker 1: next place, you know, thinking about it as Pedro Acosta,
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Speaker 1: the guy that we thought was going to out before
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Speaker 1: Mark Marquez straightaway. Then we have that whole KTM debacle,
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Speaker 1: and I hear rumors about Valentino Rossi's still looking at Pedro.
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Speaker 1: But then in the back of my mind, I'm going, Okay, well,
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Speaker 1: do you Cadi's set? They're pretty good. Obviously we have
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Speaker 1: the old Prilier thing, Katm's folding, yamaha. We know we've
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Speaker 1: got multiple writers. Where's Pedro going to go next? So
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Speaker 1: that's when I'm starting to think all this silly Season
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Speaker 1: four next year in twenty twenty seven. I don't think
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Speaker 1: it's as clear as what I think Joge Martin's managers
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Speaker 1: hoping for well.
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Speaker 2: And also the other thing here is that what about
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Speaker 2: the precedent that if Martine's able to riggle his way
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Speaker 2: out of this contract that he doesn't want to be in.
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Speaker 2: What does that do for future contracts with other riders.
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Speaker 2: It's like if a contract is literally worthless and it
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Speaker 2: can just be broken at the whim of one of
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Speaker 2: the two parties, like fine, we don't want you to
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Speaker 2: be here anymore, of I don't want to be here anymore.
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Speaker 2: Then what's the point of having a contract in the
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Speaker 2: first place if you're just going to have your head
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Speaker 2: turned by the next, you know, the next thing that
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Speaker 2: comes along. It is like, oh, look at this, I
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Speaker 2: think I'd like to have a crack at this. But
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Speaker 2: all that sounds like to me is that you mentioned
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Speaker 2: all of these other manufacturers that there's chaos going on
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Speaker 2: here or underresourced here, or writers that don't want to
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Speaker 2: be there. And meanwhile, do Katty just keep rolling along
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Speaker 2: and doing dcatty things? And yeah, they had a rider
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Speaker 2: win at Asen on a weekend where I don't think
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Speaker 2: at any point he was actually the fastest rider, Mark Marquez,
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Speaker 2: but thirty seven points. Again, we've said this a few times, haven't.
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Speaker 1: We, honestly, So the off track was kind of taking
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Speaker 1: away from the on track, But it was the occasions
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Speaker 1: where you look up at the screen or you hear
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Speaker 1: someone in the media center. Oh, and we just had
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Speaker 1: crashes and crashes and crashes this weekend, all throughout all
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Speaker 1: the crotches sessions qualifying, which I was talking to Senna
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Speaker 1: and I'm going, what is going on with this? And
16:11
Speaker 1: he said, oh, you know track temperature that tires like,
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Speaker 1: he goes, we're struggling. Well the parrellis, he goes, The
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Speaker 1: fronts on the Perellis are really good. But in Moto
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Speaker 1: GP they're definitely struggling with the fronts on the the Michelins.
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Speaker 1: But Mark marquees okay, phenomenal weekend if you looked at it,
16:27
Speaker 1: like from the podium positions for him. But then early
16:30
Speaker 1: in that weekend, that high side that he had in
16:33
Speaker 1: that practice session and watching him and it was funny
16:37
Speaker 1: because I wasn't gonna say this, Matt, but you bought
16:39
Speaker 1: it up earlier. You said, watching Mark Marquez get up
16:43
Speaker 1: is like watching me try and get out of bed.
16:45
Speaker 1: Now we know you're only like twenty one, Matt, so
16:47
Speaker 1: it's not too bad. But Mark Marquez, you mentioned this,
16:51
Speaker 1: he is the aller of the oldest writers on the
16:53
Speaker 1: grid now and he's not bouncing like he used to write.
16:57
Speaker 1: I heard on the TNT broadcast he said to them,
17:01
Speaker 1: adrenaline is my painkiller, but honestly, I don't know if
17:05
Speaker 1: I can race. He said, he's destroyed. And for Mark
17:09
Speaker 1: Marqus to say that, you think he never lets anyone
17:12
Speaker 1: know when he's down, or he's out, or he's weak.
17:16
Speaker 1: But how does Mark markus This is my question is
17:19
Speaker 1: how does Mark Marquez then go from from that that
17:22
Speaker 1: mentality saying those words struggling to just go and dominate
17:26
Speaker 1: once again?
17:27
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he's a guy who he loves an
17:30
Speaker 2: external force to motivate him. Right, So you don't go
17:33
Speaker 2: into these weekends going well, if I get hurt, I'll
17:35
Speaker 2: show everybody how good I am and how strong mentally
17:38
Speaker 2: I am. And there was a second accident for me
17:42
Speaker 2: when he slid along his front at the end of
17:45
Speaker 2: FP two, and every male watching him get up from
17:49
Speaker 2: that accident just winced because that was only that was
17:51
Speaker 2: a pain. Only half of the listeners he can probably understand.
17:54
Speaker 2: But you mentioned before, and it's true, like he's thirty
17:58
Speaker 2: two years old now and one of the things about
18:00
Speaker 2: him when he was younger is that he would always
18:02
Speaker 2: go past the limit. Do all these crazy saves and
18:05
Speaker 2: save the front end and everything else. But when he crashed,
18:07
Speaker 2: they were generally pretty big, and he generally has got
18:09
Speaker 2: up because he was young and bouncy. He's you know what,
18:12
Speaker 2: I think he's the second oldest rider behind Zaco now,
18:14
Speaker 2: so you know, there's only so many times you can
18:17
Speaker 2: fall with these things. And he gets up like an
18:19
Speaker 2: older man out of these accidents these days, and he
18:21
Speaker 2: looks pretty beaten up and pretty sore. But to my mind,
18:24
Speaker 2: you look at the two margins over the weekend he
18:26
Speaker 2: won that. He won the Grand Prix by six tenths
18:28
Speaker 2: of a second, he won the sprint by about two
18:30
Speaker 2: tens so there's nothing in it, really, And I just
18:33
Speaker 2: thought it was so interesting that since he's had all
18:36
Speaker 2: the right arm operations, he has always been better in
18:39
Speaker 2: left handed corners and antiqulockwise tracks anyway, but on right
18:42
Speaker 2: handed corners it was never a massive strength and now
18:45
Speaker 2: it definitely is it a strength. He can definitely see
18:47
Speaker 2: him suffering through there. And in the sprint he had
18:49
Speaker 2: Alex Marquez right behind him, He had Bozeki behind him
18:52
Speaker 2: for pretty much the last two thirds of the Grand Prix.
18:55
Speaker 2: There was that section as you come out of the
18:57
Speaker 2: last hap him with that, there's a succession of right
18:59
Speaker 2: hand quarters before you come back to the chicag there
19:02
Speaker 2: at Assen, and you could have probably drawn two chalk
19:05
Speaker 2: lines on the track about ten centimeters apart, and I
19:08
Speaker 2: reckon he hit the same piece of track for thirty
19:10
Speaker 2: nine straight laps over the course of two straight days.
19:13
Speaker 2: He knew that was the only place that someone could
19:15
Speaker 2: get a run on him to pass him, and he
19:17
Speaker 2: got those four corners right lap after lap after lap.
19:21
Speaker 2: And no, I don't think he was the fastest, but yes,
19:23
Speaker 2: I do think he was the smartest. And that's a
19:26
Speaker 2: different level of rider when with that amount of pressure
19:29
Speaker 2: on you, you do not make one mistake. If you
19:32
Speaker 2: make one mistake, that becomes one place, becomes two places,
19:34
Speaker 2: becomes three places. He was so metronomically perfect and it's
19:40
Speaker 2: so interesting to see him win races in different ways. Now. Yes,
19:43
Speaker 2: he goes to Aragon and just absolutely blust everybody because
19:46
Speaker 2: we expect that. But he's had a couple of rounds
19:49
Speaker 2: this year where he's had to do things like entire
19:52
Speaker 2: Land when they miscalculated the entire pressure he had to
19:54
Speaker 2: on the fly. Go oh, I need to change tactics
19:57
Speaker 2: here and sit behind my my brother for the part
20:00
Speaker 2: of the race, get the tire pressure up, and then
20:02
Speaker 2: I'll pass him in the last three laps and win.
20:03
Speaker 2: So that's Mark thinking on his feet. But what he
20:06
Speaker 2: did on the weekend, given the physical juriss that he
20:09
Speaker 2: was under, and he knew he wasn't the fastest rider,
20:11
Speaker 2: and this has not been a Mark track in the past,
20:15
Speaker 2: hugely hugely impressive. And you couple that with the misfortune
20:19
Speaker 2: for his brother and the Grand Prix, and all of
20:21
Speaker 2: a sudden we're looking at a sixty eight point championship lead.
20:23
Speaker 2: But to my mind, that's kind of what it feels
20:26
Speaker 2: like in terms of what the margin should be between
20:29
Speaker 2: him and whoever it is that's coming second, because he's
20:31
Speaker 2: been that much better than everybody in this first half
20:34
Speaker 2: of the season. I reckon you.
20:36
Speaker 1: Mentioned then knowing this is not a Mark track. I
20:39
Speaker 1: don't know about you, Matt, but for me going into
20:42
Speaker 1: this weekend, always the hype around Usen is Ppeco Brannyaya
20:46
Speaker 1: like he has it tattooed on him. We know he
20:48
Speaker 1: loves this place. But then you're going, also, Mark wasn't
20:51
Speaker 1: the fastestless weekend. No, who was a lot faster than
20:55
Speaker 1: him in Saturday's sprint. His brother, Alex Marquez. And there's
20:58
Speaker 1: all this talk that's happening now. I'm sure you've heard
21:01
Speaker 1: it and listeners. I don't know if you're reading the
21:04
Speaker 1: articles and what that's coming out, but people that are saying, oh,
21:07
Speaker 1: Alex isn't challenging Mark because it's his brother. Now, I
21:13
Speaker 1: feel like if I know anything about races, having grown
21:16
Speaker 1: up with one a lot, YEP, they're gonna challenge each other.
21:20
Speaker 1: But I think for me, I think Mark just has
21:24
Speaker 1: that little edge over Alex. And we've said this before.
21:27
Speaker 1: You know, Alex is like a diesel truck and Mark's
21:29
Speaker 1: like a supercar. There's just that little differences in them.
21:33
Speaker 1: I think Alex is trying to challenge Mark as much
21:36
Speaker 1: as he can, and he's pushing him in the way
21:38
Speaker 1: that he can. But it's Mark Marquez. He's gonna find
21:42
Speaker 1: those little one percenters that you don't even know exist,
21:44
Speaker 1: and that's how I think he's getting the better of him.
21:47
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a bit different when you say he's not
21:49
Speaker 2: challenging his brother. The content needs to be he's maybe
21:51
Speaker 2: not challenging his brother the way you would like, Oh,
21:53
Speaker 2: by the way, who just happens to be one of
21:55
Speaker 2: the best writers in the history of the World Championship.
21:57
Speaker 2: It's not just any old sibling that you're challenging here.
22:00
Speaker 2: But you know, it was interesting about this because this
22:02
Speaker 2: sort of came up at Magello quite a bit, because
22:04
Speaker 2: obviously they were run one two in the sprint there
22:06
Speaker 2: and in the Grand Prix, and Peco actually had an
22:10
Speaker 2: interesting comment about this where he said, well, you know,
22:12
Speaker 2: it's kind of natural to a degree, because maybe I
22:15
Speaker 2: race the academy guys a little bit differently than i'd
22:17
Speaker 2: raise some of the other guys, because you know, for
22:19
Speaker 2: all intents and purposes, Morbidelli and Buzeki and Luca Marini
22:22
Speaker 2: they're kind of brothers in inverted commas because they hang
22:25
Speaker 2: out so much. It's kind of natural to a degree.
22:28
Speaker 2: But I always look at the role reversal in this,
22:30
Speaker 2: and we'll probably see this at some point this year.
22:34
Speaker 2: You look at all these times the Marquez brothers have
22:35
Speaker 2: finished one and two, and it's been Mark first and
22:37
Speaker 2: Alex second, with the exception of the sprint at Silveston,
22:40
Speaker 2: where we know Alex is really good at Silveston, a
22:42
Speaker 2: lot of right handed courters. Not a great Mark track,
22:44
Speaker 2: I guess, But I do wonder if you're going to
22:47
Speaker 2: have a situation where you're going to have a fair
22:49
Speaker 2: fight between the two of them on a track where
22:51
Speaker 2: Mark feels pretty comfortable and Mark's coming second in that race.
22:54
Speaker 2: I don't think there's going to be any questions as
22:56
Speaker 2: to how hard Mark will race Alex, because I think
22:58
Speaker 2: Mark will race everybody very, very hard, because that's how
23:00
Speaker 2: Mark races so super interesting in that regard, I think
23:05
Speaker 2: the disappointing part for Alex over the course of the
23:08
Speaker 2: ass and weekend he's been he's actually really pleasantly surprised
23:14
Speaker 2: me this year because like he's in his sixth Motor
23:17
Speaker 2: GP season. You would think after five years, there's enough
23:19
Speaker 2: of a body of work, we go, all right, this
23:21
Speaker 2: guy's pretty quick. He has certain circuits that he's good at.
23:23
Speaker 2: He'll get one or two podiums a year, and he's
23:26
Speaker 2: probably going to finish somewhere between sixth and tenth and
23:28
Speaker 2: the World Championship. And that's who this guy is. And
23:30
Speaker 2: he's one Motor three and Motor two on the way through,
23:33
Speaker 2: And if he had a different surname, we'd probably think
23:35
Speaker 2: of him a bit differently. But I've always felt that
23:37
Speaker 2: the Alex Marquez sort of story was kind of written.
23:40
Speaker 2: It's really unusual for a guy who's twenty nine years
23:43
Speaker 2: old to completely change the perception of how good you
23:45
Speaker 2: think he's been. He has been really, really good this year. Yes,
23:48
Speaker 2: he's got a really good bike, but he's achieved a
23:51
Speaker 2: level of consistency that I didn't think that he had
23:53
Speaker 2: in him to have this championship deficit balloon through an
23:58
Speaker 2: accident that I don't know about you. I thought he
24:00
Speaker 2: was very lucky to only get away with the injury
24:03
Speaker 2: that he did, because that thing went so fast and
24:06
Speaker 2: he basically fell on his face. He was lucky to
24:08
Speaker 2: escape with a broken finger that looked bad in the moment,
24:12
Speaker 2: and you know, so he's lucky to escape with that,
24:14
Speaker 2: and it's you know, he'll try and come back and
24:16
Speaker 2: do Germany, although given how good Mark is in Germany,
24:18
Speaker 2: he probably should take that one off and stay home,
24:20
Speaker 2: to be honest. But it's just a shame that this
24:22
Speaker 2: amazing run of consistency was brought to an end through
24:26
Speaker 2: something that was like a fifty to fifty you know,
24:29
Speaker 2: just Unfortunately two riders into one place didn't really work out.
24:33
Speaker 2: It's a shame that that amazing run that that was
24:35
Speaker 2: sort of brought down by something like that, as opposed
24:37
Speaker 2: to him genuinely making an error.
24:40
Speaker 1: So my question to you is do you think he
24:44
Speaker 1: is well and truly out of the title fight. I'm
24:48
Speaker 1: saying that in inverted commas because of we can see
24:51
Speaker 1: unless something happens again to Mark, I feel like he's
24:55
Speaker 1: going to run away with this title. Whether you're a
24:56
Speaker 1: Mark Fannier or not, you have to admit it. But
24:58
Speaker 1: out of the title fight, are we going to start
25:01
Speaker 1: to see if Peco Bna can get his little issues
25:05
Speaker 1: fixed because he's still on about these issues and the
25:08
Speaker 1: feeling and whatnot. With this injury for Alex, do you
25:11
Speaker 1: think he's now out of it and Peco's going to
25:13
Speaker 1: eventually jump back up to second.
25:15
Speaker 2: I'm not actually sure that Alex was even in it
25:17
Speaker 2: at any point. Mathematically he was in it. It was made
25:19
Speaker 2: to look a lot closer with Mark than it was
25:21
Speaker 2: because Mark had thrown away win at Kota, and he
25:24
Speaker 2: crashed early at Harath and he'd given away some points there.
25:27
Speaker 2: We've said this a few times the only person that
25:29
Speaker 2: can beat Mark for the championship is Mark. I think
25:31
Speaker 2: the more likely fight you're going to see as the
25:34
Speaker 2: season progresses from here is the gap between Alex Marquez
25:37
Speaker 2: and Bagnoay, it's probably going to narrow, and I know
25:40
Speaker 2: there's still quite a big deficit there. But if I
25:42
Speaker 2: had to put money on who was going to finish
25:44
Speaker 2: second in the World Championship this year, I think it's
25:45
Speaker 2: going to be Pecko just finishing second in the World Championship.
25:48
Speaker 2: But as far as first goes, I just think Mark's
25:52
Speaker 2: in a position now the points actually reflect the level
25:54
Speaker 2: of dominance now where I don't reckon they did before.
25:57
Speaker 2: He's been so unbelievable. Mean, he's won nine hour of
26:00
Speaker 2: ten sprints. You know that in itself is crazy. I
26:02
Speaker 2: think I worked it out the other day. Is one
26:04
Speaker 2: ninety seven percent of the points you could actually win
26:06
Speaker 2: in sprints like that. It's pretty hard to beat someone when
26:07
Speaker 2: they're doing something like that. And like you said, like
26:10
Speaker 2: him or dislike him, you have to admire the way
26:15
Speaker 2: he has gone about this sort of late career chance
26:18
Speaker 2: to rewrite his story because it's been so long and
26:23
Speaker 2: you know it's you think about, yes, he's won those
26:25
Speaker 2: six world titles. It's six years ago since he won
26:28
Speaker 2: a world title. Six years you know, in anyone's life
26:31
Speaker 2: is a long time in the life of a motorcycle rate,
26:33
Speaker 2: so that's almost a career for a lot of guys.
26:35
Speaker 2: So to see him doing this at this age and
26:37
Speaker 2: given what he's gone through, it's massively, massively impressive. It's
26:42
Speaker 2: made me rethink how I feel about Banyaia in that
26:47
Speaker 2: I think Peco, in the right situation, with the right
26:50
Speaker 2: bike and everything the way he wants it, is an
26:52
Speaker 2: incredibly good motor GP rider. But maybe this is exposed
26:55
Speaker 2: him for not being maybe as sort of versatile or
26:59
Speaker 2: improvisation or of the other really good guys. And I
27:02
Speaker 2: made the analogy. I think I made it. I think
27:05
Speaker 2: I made it on this podcast. I've definitely written it.
27:08
Speaker 2: If Mark is this generation's Casey Stoner, then Peko is
27:11
Speaker 2: this generation Sauhala Nzo in that if everything's absolutely right
27:16
Speaker 2: at the right time. To my mind, Pecko can be
27:19
Speaker 2: absolutely unbeatable, as Jorge was when you'd have those weekends
27:22
Speaker 2: where he'd qualify on pole and need you'd forget he
27:24
Speaker 2: was in the race until they showed him crossing the
27:26
Speaker 2: finishing line six seconds ahead of everybody. He would demoralize
27:30
Speaker 2: everybody when everything was right. But we remember Casey. Casey
27:34
Speaker 2: took a Jucati that no one could even ride to
27:37
Speaker 2: a world championship in two thousand and seven, and he
27:39
Speaker 2: was the master at just ragging bikes around and getting
27:43
Speaker 2: wins where you know, guy's on the equivalent machinery probably couldn't.
27:46
Speaker 2: And that's the analogy.
27:47
Speaker 1: To me.
27:48
Speaker 2: It's almost like we've seen this story before, but we've
27:50
Speaker 2: just got two different people coming at it from different
27:52
Speaker 2: angles this time.
27:54
Speaker 1: It actually reminded me of a quote Peco Banyaya said
27:58
Speaker 1: of when I think he won his first title with
28:00
Speaker 1: Chikadi and he goes, yeah, I won the title, but
28:03
Speaker 1: Mark Marquez isn't like chasing me. If Mark Marquez was
28:08
Speaker 1: on the same bike, and I'm fully butchering this this quote,
28:10
Speaker 1: but if Mark Marquez was on the same bike and
28:13
Speaker 1: then I won the title, then I'd be much happier. Yeah,
28:16
Speaker 1: I think we're kind of seeing that now. Well.
28:18
Speaker 2: I mean, I think if you are able to be
28:20
Speaker 2: That's why I think, in retrospect I massively rate what
28:24
Speaker 2: Andre de Vizioso did against Mark for many years, because
28:27
Speaker 2: there were some of those years where Mark was on
28:29
Speaker 2: the Hounter that was the best bike, and there were
28:30
Speaker 2: some years where it wasn't. But the fact that Davizioso,
28:33
Speaker 2: who we never really thought of being someone who was
28:35
Speaker 2: a real title contender until late Inny's career, he went
28:38
Speaker 2: toe to toe with Mark for a number of years
28:40
Speaker 2: and it was super close, and it was super tense,
28:43
Speaker 2: and he didn't back out of fights, and he beat
28:45
Speaker 2: him in the last battles quite a lot. And I
28:48
Speaker 2: think Davizioso reached a level that at the time was impressive,
28:51
Speaker 2: but I think you look back at it now, it's like, man,
28:52
Speaker 2: that guy had a really really good career up against
28:56
Speaker 2: a force of nature like Mark is. And you know,
28:59
Speaker 2: in terms of Pecky think this is not the final
29:02
Speaker 2: sort of story or destination for Pecko. I still think that,
29:05
Speaker 2: you know, writers can still grow. We're seeing that with
29:07
Speaker 2: some of these older guys now they keep adding things.
29:10
Speaker 2: But I don't know, even in his worst nightmares, that
29:13
Speaker 2: he would have expected to have had Mark come into
29:15
Speaker 2: his team and do to him what he has done
29:17
Speaker 2: to him over the first half of this season. And yes,
29:20
Speaker 2: we know that Acaddy has a major advantage, but I
29:22
Speaker 2: think reputationally, what banit does for these last what are
29:26
Speaker 2: we looking at now? Twelve rounds is going to be
29:28
Speaker 2: pretty significant, not just for this year but twenty six.
29:32
Speaker 2: I sort of see twenty five and twenty six being
29:34
Speaker 2: like one gigantic season with a Christmas break in the
29:36
Speaker 2: middle of it, because there's not a hell of a
29:37
Speaker 2: lot of change technically going on year on year. I
29:40
Speaker 2: think Pecko can start his twenty twenty six season sort
29:43
Speaker 2: of now, and he can really put some building blocks
29:47
Speaker 2: in place to try and make twenty twenty six the
29:49
Speaker 2: fight that we hoped that twenty five would be.
29:52
Speaker 1: It's funny that you said that when you're just talking
29:54
Speaker 1: about how thinking for the future. I went into a
29:58
Speaker 1: Prilliers garage over the weekend. A darter guy used to
30:02
Speaker 1: work with my brother now works for a Prillier. So
30:05
Speaker 1: I went in there and he actually was meant to
30:07
Speaker 1: work with Wallhe Martin this year. It now works with
30:09
Speaker 1: Lorenzo Savagori, and I was asking, Okay, so Lorenzo's kind
30:13
Speaker 1: of now a full time Moroto GP writer, which wasn't
30:17
Speaker 1: expecting this year. I said, what does his weekends look
30:20
Speaker 1: like because he is still a test writer and he goes,
30:22
Speaker 1: you know what, he is still testing all the time.
30:25
Speaker 1: He's coming into these race weekends just testing. The cool
30:28
Speaker 1: thing is what they're doing. And this was this was
30:32
Speaker 1: Saturday afternoon that I went in there, right before the sprint.
30:35
Speaker 1: He goes, oh, this morning, Lorenzo was trying these new
30:38
Speaker 1: side winglets and he really liked them. Now we're going
30:42
Speaker 1: to put them on Marco's bike and let's see how
30:44
Speaker 1: he goes this afternoon. What does he do? Goes and
30:47
Speaker 1: gets on the podium, right, So I think that is
30:52
Speaker 1: constantly you're constantly trying to approve improve Sorry, maybe this
30:57
Speaker 1: is where Aprilia is starting to benefit from it because
30:59
Speaker 1: they are testing all weekend. It's not like they've got
31:02
Speaker 1: two factory riders in there who are having to go
31:05
Speaker 1: out straight away. They've got Lorenzo there who can test
31:07
Speaker 1: parts and grew. Yeah, this is working out this track.
31:10
Speaker 1: Chuck that on hopefully try and get some point in
31:12
Speaker 1: a podium place.
31:13
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, as like the ultimate test laboratory. If you
31:16
Speaker 2: want to find out if something really works, take it
31:18
Speaker 2: out in Q one and write it as hard as
31:20
Speaker 2: you possibly can, or put yourself in a sprint on
31:22
Speaker 2: a Saturday or do a twenty six lap Grand Prix
31:24
Speaker 2: on a Sunday. In some respects, as much as I'm
31:27
Speaker 2: sure this is not what Savadori signed up for it,
31:30
Speaker 2: I hope he's been compensated for it. Give it all
31:31
Speaker 2: the extra work that he's doing. It might have accelerated
31:34
Speaker 2: their improvement a little bit because you've got a guy
31:36
Speaker 2: who's very technically adept, trying things in the heat of
31:42
Speaker 2: a race weekend, and we know he's not out there
31:43
Speaker 2: to finish top tens and try and get podiums and
31:45
Speaker 2: what have you. But what he brings to the project
31:48
Speaker 2: and sort of kicks it up the line to Bizeki
31:50
Speaker 2: and you know, you look at what I mean. Ralph
31:52
Speaker 2: Anders has had a couple of really strong Grand Prix
31:54
Speaker 2: in a row, which is not something you've ever heard
31:57
Speaker 2: me say on this podcast. But he's been really good
31:59
Speaker 2: the last couple of weekends at Magello and at Assen,
32:02
Speaker 2: so that a Priori a project as a whole seems
32:04
Speaker 2: to be growing and it's impressive. And yeah, you'd have
32:06
Speaker 2: to say internally, I'm sure Savadori's impact on this is
32:11
Speaker 2: being recognized, but it comes back to where we started
32:14
Speaker 2: this podcast. I would just love to see a fully
32:16
Speaker 2: fit and fully motivated Jorge Martin on a pretty good
32:19
Speaker 2: aprillia that's improving, because that would just give us something
32:22
Speaker 2: something different, something something different that we haven't seen this
32:25
Speaker 2: year at the front of some of these Grand Prix
32:27
Speaker 2: where it does become can anyone split the de Catties
32:30
Speaker 2: in the answers? Usually no. I would have loved to
32:32
Speaker 2: have seen Martin on that, but I guess we'll just
32:35
Speaker 2: have to wait for Honda to get good. Huh.
32:37
Speaker 1: I love that you just said something different there, and
32:39
Speaker 1: I thought that's the best segue I can go into
32:41
Speaker 1: the next part of something different. That wasn't on my
32:44
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five bingo card for Moto GP was the
32:47
Speaker 1: fact of Pedro Acosta Alex Marquez collidning. We know Alex
32:50
Speaker 1: crashing out, we understand that. But was the fact of
32:52
Speaker 1: Pedro Acosta getting rushed to hospital directly after the races
32:56
Speaker 1: he got sung by a bee and turns out his
32:59
Speaker 1: highly allergic to beastings. MM.
33:02
Speaker 2: Now I'm gonna slightly correct you here. I'm going to
33:04
Speaker 2: slightly correct you on your insects. I heard it was
33:06
Speaker 2: a wasp, these wasps. I don't know what they call
33:09
Speaker 2: him in Holland, who knows, but regardless, that thing hurts.
33:13
Speaker 2: And you think of the way these riders are so
33:16
Speaker 2: covered up with all of the safety equipment. There's always
33:18
Speaker 2: I find it bizarre, there's always that little gap between
33:21
Speaker 2: the top of the leather suit and the bottom of
33:23
Speaker 2: the helmet. And I remember, God, where was I think
33:26
Speaker 2: it might have been Malaysia. I had to crush Low
33:28
Speaker 2: many years ago, and he actually stopped and because this
33:31
Speaker 2: thing was just stinging him every time he turned into
33:34
Speaker 2: a corner, and he actually stopped and unzipped the suit,
33:37
Speaker 2: and you saw this thing just fly out. And as
33:40
Speaker 2: someone who is allergic to that sort of thing myself,
33:43
Speaker 2: when I heard what had happened to a Costra on
33:45
Speaker 2: the weekend, imagine riding one of these things around in
33:48
Speaker 2: the heat of battle of a Grand Prix and getting
33:50
Speaker 2: stung by something you're allergic to. He did better than me.
33:53
Speaker 2: I wouldn't have got to the checker flag. I'd be
33:55
Speaker 2: out of there, quite frankly. But that was horrible. But
33:59
Speaker 2: you had the bizarre situation on Sunday where I'm sure
34:02
Speaker 2: all the media we're talking about this in the press room.
34:04
Speaker 2: Everyone wanted to talk to Alex Marquez to find out
34:06
Speaker 2: what had happened in the incident with a Costa. He
34:08
Speaker 2: was off to Madrid to get his finger fixed after
34:10
Speaker 2: eating me had broken that finger, and then a Costa
34:12
Speaker 2: was off in the hospital getting shot up with antihistamines
34:15
Speaker 2: because he was allergic to wasps. So no one actually
34:18
Speaker 2: got to speak to the two protagonists in this accident.
34:20
Speaker 2: That's kind of changed the shape at the front of
34:22
Speaker 2: the World Chairbyship. So I guess we'll have to wait
34:24
Speaker 2: till Saxon rigged to hear from both of them.
34:26
Speaker 1: It's funny that that happened. Everyone's talking about it because
34:29
Speaker 1: I actually saw Jake Dixon before Magello and they were
34:33
Speaker 1: testing Momoto too in Catalogna directly after where were we
34:38
Speaker 1: before Aragon? And so he goes look at my back
34:42
Speaker 1: and there's just Weltz, like what happened? Same thing. A
34:46
Speaker 1: beer or a mosc or whatever got down his leather
34:49
Speaker 1: suit as well, and I don't know, you guys can
34:51
Speaker 1: see it at home when you're watching, like these suits
34:54
Speaker 1: are tight, they've got inners on underneath, like there's not
34:57
Speaker 1: much in there. So you know how pesky. There's all
34:59
Speaker 1: insects be somehow they're making their way into riders suits
35:02
Speaker 1: as well, which is not what you want when you're
35:05
Speaker 1: out on track doing god knows what speed. But the
35:08
Speaker 1: other news, let's talk about Fabera Cordorraro also taking pole,
35:12
Speaker 1: which I saw a Marco Bezzeki celebrating, going, yeah, give
35:16
Speaker 1: it to the jew caddies. We don't want to know
35:18
Speaker 1: the jew caddi pole. So but then hearing what Jack
35:22
Speaker 1: was saying post race and looking at Fabio Fabruao, he's
35:26
Speaker 1: mastering this one lap random pulling something out of a hat.
35:30
Speaker 1: But then the Yamahas are just struggling still.
35:33
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, it's two things with the Yamaha. It doesn't
35:36
Speaker 2: get off the line fantastically and it struggles to pass
35:40
Speaker 2: other bikes still. So you know, unless you're on a
35:42
Speaker 2: circuit where you can get a half decent getaway and
35:44
Speaker 2: block for the best part of a lap, which you
35:46
Speaker 2: definitely can't do it acc't. His Q two laps are
35:50
Speaker 2: almost the most fun thing in motor GP right now,
35:52
Speaker 2: because you know he's so far over the limit. You
35:54
Speaker 2: look at where all the other other Yamahas are. But
35:56
Speaker 2: then you're almost not surprised anymore what he pulls one
35:59
Speaker 2: of these out, because if it was anyone else, you'd say,
36:01
Speaker 2: that's remarkable, what an absolutely ridiculous lap. And when he
36:05
Speaker 2: does it, we will just look at each other and say, well,
36:07
Speaker 2: that's just Fabio Couaturero, because to my mind he is
36:10
Speaker 2: the second best rider in Murder GP. We just don't
36:12
Speaker 2: get to see it because of what he's actually riding.
36:14
Speaker 2: But it's a good one lap qualifying bike in the
36:17
Speaker 2: right hands, but it still can't race, and that's the
36:20
Speaker 2: issue with that bike at the moment. It was pretty telling.
36:23
Speaker 2: I thought that Miguel Olivera was out early in the
36:25
Speaker 2: Grand Prix because he had some accident damage from the
36:27
Speaker 2: first lap. But the Amahas basically Quaturo fell out of
36:31
Speaker 2: the top ten and then they just ran around in line.
36:33
Speaker 2: At the back end of the top ten, they're all
36:35
Speaker 2: together and they could sort of scrap with each other.
36:37
Speaker 2: They couldn't pas anybody else, and they just ran around
36:40
Speaker 2: and finished a sort of sad tenth, twelve and thirteen
36:43
Speaker 2: or whatever it was. In the end they were kind
36:45
Speaker 2: of nowhere. So it was a bit of a track
36:47
Speaker 2: that exposed the race pace and overtaking problems that they have,
36:51
Speaker 2: but in as a one lap bike in Quataurero's hands,
36:55
Speaker 2: it's pretty electrifying. The only sad part about it for me,
36:58
Speaker 2: I got to say when they were trunkling around at
36:59
Speaker 2: the back into the top ten and so we didn't
37:01
Speaker 2: get too many TV shots at that awesome livery that
37:03
Speaker 2: they ran at essence, because that thing was absolutely beautiful.
37:06
Speaker 2: We just had to rely on still photos or social
37:08
Speaker 2: media to look at it.
37:10
Speaker 1: Oh Honestly, that was one thing I was going to
37:11
Speaker 1: bring up next. I'm glad you did. Is you know
37:13
Speaker 1: we saw the livery that a lot of the Italian
37:16
Speaker 1: teams had in Michello and it's like, okay, I see
37:19
Speaker 1: the thought like especially do Caddie with the renaissance and
37:22
Speaker 1: all that. Then you see the retro, the retro Yamahas
37:27
Speaker 1: and everyone was just going, no one does it like
37:30
Speaker 1: Yamaha with that retro white and red the color scheme. Oh.
37:35
Speaker 1: I got to go and see the bike up close,
37:37
Speaker 1: and I took some quick social video for Fox Motorsport
37:41
Speaker 1: on their socials and seeing it in person. Then when
37:44
Speaker 1: you see the boys come out in their leather suits
37:46
Speaker 1: and even Fabio had like the old school, like early
37:49
Speaker 1: two thousand sunnies, like they were really trying to throw
37:52
Speaker 1: it back. This weekend it was Yamaha do it well
37:55
Speaker 1: with their retro liveries. I'm thinking back Silverstone last year
37:58
Speaker 1: at the Yeah.
37:59
Speaker 2: That's exactly I was about to say, Yeah, they've got
38:02
Speaker 2: the history, They've got a successful history. There's something about
38:05
Speaker 2: just the purity of that white livery like these some
38:07
Speaker 2: of these liveries are so cluttered and convoluted these days.
38:11
Speaker 2: Some of the ones in Italy by the Italian teams
38:14
Speaker 2: were honestly like nice idea, but there was the execution thing,
38:19
Speaker 2: and you've got Picko Mark playing chess and I don't
38:21
Speaker 2: know there was I don't know what was going on.
38:24
Speaker 2: It was a bit of a mess, quite frankly. And
38:25
Speaker 2: the VR forty six ones looked like someone had just
38:27
Speaker 2: tipped a bunch of paint cans over and rolled the
38:29
Speaker 2: bikes in it. They were pretty revolting. But yeah, the
38:31
Speaker 2: classy classic Yamaha livery. If if only it was as
38:35
Speaker 2: fast as it as it looks good But anyway, beautiful
38:38
Speaker 2: livery just not very fast.
38:40
Speaker 1: At assen No, they're trying to make headlines elsewhere at
38:43
Speaker 1: the moment, which I think is good on them. They're trying.
38:46
Speaker 1: But Jack is also now off to Japan for the
38:49
Speaker 1: Suzuka eight Hour that is coming up soon. I know
38:52
Speaker 1: all your listeners if you're interested, that that is going
38:55
Speaker 1: to be on Fox Sports and KO. So I'll keep
38:57
Speaker 1: you up today with all the news that comes from
38:59
Speaker 1: the Suzuka eight Hours. Now. I mentioned earlier this weekend
39:03
Speaker 1: the amount of crashes at Assen and how was that
39:07
Speaker 1: crash in Moto three. I think it was for a start,
39:09
Speaker 1: I got run over in the end or how he
39:12
Speaker 1: walked away from that. If you haven't seen it, I
39:14
Speaker 1: highly recommend going watching it because Okay, we don't want
39:17
Speaker 1: to promote crashes, but this this was like Jack Miller
39:20
Speaker 1: Malaysia last year style crash.
39:22
Speaker 2: Yeah, major and anytime, I mean Moto three, you could
39:25
Speaker 2: throw a blanket over the top ten most races, at
39:28
Speaker 2: most tracks. There's something about that last sequence, the last
39:31
Speaker 2: sector at Acid and that chicane, the GT chicane at
39:35
Speaker 2: the end of the lap. It's just a magnet for
39:37
Speaker 2: things happening like this. And the thing that was I
39:39
Speaker 2: was surprised about was they eventually red flag that race,
39:42
Speaker 2: but not until the field was almost in the chicade
39:44
Speaker 2: on the last lap. Like that was a little bit
39:46
Speaker 2: on that questionable side. But I think Luca Lenetto, if
39:49
Speaker 2: I remember rightly, is broken a tibia, so he's going
39:51
Speaker 2: to clearly be out for a while. But that was
39:53
Speaker 2: a nasty, nasty accident. But Moto three and Assen it's
39:57
Speaker 2: almost to be expected.
39:58
Speaker 1: I think, well, that's the thing. I did a track
40:01
Speaker 1: walk with Snags our Aussie and Moto two just to
40:04
Speaker 1: take me through a lap of acid because this circuit
40:06
Speaker 1: is so interesting in the fact that it's old school.
40:09
Speaker 1: There's a lot of on and off camber, which he
40:11
Speaker 1: called one of the corners like NASCAR now, it's not
40:14
Speaker 1: quite on the same lean angle, but he goes it
40:16
Speaker 1: feels like it. So if you're wondering why this track
40:19
Speaker 1: is like that and often provides some of the best racing,
40:23
Speaker 1: it's because of the track layout and how it is
40:26
Speaker 1: and now it's it's definitely changed a lot over the years.
40:28
Speaker 1: But if you're interested in that track walk that is
40:30
Speaker 1: on our YouTube channel, you can head to YouTube dot
40:33
Speaker 1: com slash Fox Sports Australia and you'll be able to
40:36
Speaker 1: find that but yeah, let's look about the Moto III
40:39
Speaker 1: results for our Aussie's. We know that Jack Miller on Sunday,
40:42
Speaker 1: he was p. Fourteen in the end, so not the
40:45
Speaker 1: results that he was after. But like I said, Jack's
40:48
Speaker 1: on his way to Suzuka anyway for the Suzuka eight Hours,
40:53
Speaker 1: which is an endurance race, totally different style of racing.
40:57
Speaker 1: But in Moto two we had Diego Morrera take his
41:00
Speaker 1: is a first win, so that's like the first Brazilian
41:03
Speaker 1: I think, to take a Moto two win in Emma
41:06
Speaker 1: in the history. Soa ag is not the top ten
41:09
Speaker 1: performance for Center. Now we caught up with him as well, Matt,
41:11
Speaker 1: You've written an article that's gonna come out by the
41:14
Speaker 1: time this is ed on Center and where he's going.
41:17
Speaker 1: What's your thoughts on the Aussie youngster this year. It
41:20
Speaker 1: seems like he's made a big jump from his rookie
41:24
Speaker 1: year now in his second year.
41:26
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. I mean he's already scored more points this
41:28
Speaker 2: season than he scored the whole of his rookie season,
41:30
Speaker 2: which we're not even at the halfway point. So that's
41:32
Speaker 2: impressive enough in itself, and obviously the headliner of that
41:35
Speaker 2: is the mad last couple of quarters at Silverston that
41:38
Speaker 2: I think you were at a stairwell had missed, but
41:40
Speaker 2: Obvio certainly at the TV back here. But he's he's
41:44
Speaker 2: maturing pretty quickly, and a lot of the sort of
41:49
Speaker 2: standard rookie things, inconsistency and you know, not being able
41:52
Speaker 2: to put together entire weekends. He's so much better than
41:55
Speaker 2: that now. I think the key thing for me, I
41:57
Speaker 2: was crunching some numbers before. He's only had one race
41:59
Speaker 2: this season where he has a scored points, so he's
42:01
Speaker 2: always there and for him to be sixth in the
42:04
Speaker 2: championship at the moment looking he's obviously got the world
42:06
Speaker 2: championship leader as his teammate. This is Mado Gonzalez's fourth
42:10
Speaker 2: year in Moto two, so he's got double the experience,
42:13
Speaker 2: and that team's clearly got a good bike and they're
42:15
Speaker 2: operating well. But I think as that team has got
42:17
Speaker 2: better in the bike has got better, Senn has risen
42:19
Speaker 2: with that. I think that's a really good sign. If
42:22
Speaker 2: you look at the potential of what he's got underneath him,
42:24
Speaker 2: he's living up to that potential. He's doing really really well.
42:28
Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of optimism as to I
42:31
Speaker 2: don't think he's anywhere near as good as he's going
42:33
Speaker 2: to be. I think that's the interesting part for the
42:35
Speaker 2: Australian fans in that, Yeah, there's a lot of promise there,
42:37
Speaker 2: but it feels like his Sea leagu's quite high. So yeah,
42:40
Speaker 2: having a really really solid season. And yes, when I
42:43
Speaker 2: get round to finishing this story, everyone else could actually
42:45
Speaker 2: read it as well.
42:47
Speaker 1: And let's go to our Aussies in Moto through. We've
42:50
Speaker 1: got Joel Kelso who crossed the line in p nine
42:52
Speaker 1: and Jacob Rilestone in at twelfth as well. So I
42:56
Speaker 1: didn't get much of a chance to catch up with
42:58
Speaker 1: Joel this weekend. But if you haven't watched that Moto
43:01
Speaker 1: three race, I highly recommend it purely just because it's
43:04
Speaker 1: normally we see that big group of Moto three writers
43:07
Speaker 1: like that top ten, top fifteen, but for whatever reason, Asen,
43:11
Speaker 1: it just gives the whole pack together the whole entire time,
43:14
Speaker 1: and it's just like a little swarm of bees. What
43:16
Speaker 1: is it with bees?
43:16
Speaker 2: As we can But yeah, I know it's funny, isn't it,
43:19
Speaker 2: Like Moto three at Asen, like they're all in the
43:21
Speaker 2: same TV shot in the last five laps, which is
43:23
Speaker 2: completely insane when you think of the field spread, like
43:25
Speaker 2: they're basically all in the same frame on the TV.
43:28
Speaker 2: But it's funny, isn't it. Like as chaotic and as
43:31
Speaker 2: mad cap as those Moto three races are, and then
43:33
Speaker 2: the same guy ends up winning most of them in
43:35
Speaker 2: Jose Antonio Rueda, who's just putting together this awesome season
43:38
Speaker 2: of winning races. When you look at it and think, oh,
43:40
Speaker 2: he's seventh, he might be in a bit of trouble here.
43:42
Speaker 2: He just works this way through. There's a bit of
43:44
Speaker 2: a David Alonzo going on there with him this year,
43:46
Speaker 2: isn't there? There?
43:47
Speaker 1: Definitely is. I think we're going to see a lot
43:50
Speaker 1: from Rueida in the future. But another writer who I
43:53
Speaker 1: hope that we get to see a bit more of
43:55
Speaker 1: in the future is our Aussie Carter Thompson, who Matt
43:58
Speaker 1: you wrote an article about on Fox sports dot com
44:02
Speaker 1: or a four slash Motorsport, And I caught up with
44:04
Speaker 1: him in Migello because we haven't caught up since Michello
44:06
Speaker 1: either as well. And let's talk about Carter real quick.
44:11
Speaker 1: So if those who haven't heard Carter, I think you
44:13
Speaker 1: should definitely keep an eye on him because the o
44:15
Speaker 1: a youngster competing in at the Red Bull Rookies Cup,
44:18
Speaker 1: but at the same time he's doing the World Supersport
44:21
Speaker 1: three hundred. So this kid's riding in two different championships
44:24
Speaker 1: on two different, completely different bikes, and he's a race
44:29
Speaker 1: winner in both, which I think is just phenomenal for
44:31
Speaker 1: this young teenager who just seems to be When I
44:35
Speaker 1: spoke to him, he's just happy, friendly, just just loving it.
44:38
Speaker 1: And talking to the head of the Red Bull Rookies
44:40
Speaker 1: there he goes, Oh, Carter is just making waves this year.
44:43
Speaker 1: He's really getting that consistency and putting his way through.
44:47
Speaker 1: But what's your thoughts on Carter so far this year, Matt.
44:50
Speaker 2: I think there's the word to use with him is uncomplicated,
44:55
Speaker 2: and that's that's that's actually a really high I think
44:57
Speaker 2: you mentioned that he's riding two really different vibes in
45:00
Speaker 2: two really different series. Obviously, the goal is to get
45:02
Speaker 2: into the World Championship, and we've seen that Redbel Rookies
45:05
Speaker 2: is this pathway to get into Moto three and then
45:07
Speaker 2: we go from there. But you know, it's a pretty
45:10
Speaker 2: full plate that he's got with these different different bikes
45:13
Speaker 2: in different parts.
45:14
Speaker 1: Of the world.
45:14
Speaker 2: Every single weekend he's doing something different, but he's very
45:17
Speaker 2: sort of matter of fact and methodical about it, and
45:20
Speaker 2: there's like a maturity to him that you have to remember,
45:22
Speaker 2: you're listening to a seventeen year old, You're not listening
45:24
Speaker 2: to a twenty three year old. So maybe that just
45:27
Speaker 2: comes from being so far away from home and out
45:29
Speaker 2: of your comfort zone and all those sorts of things.
45:30
Speaker 2: But he's just really well put together. He know what
45:33
Speaker 2: he wants. He's very uncomplicated about everything, and you'd have
45:36
Speaker 2: to say, I mean, look, Red Bull rookies can be
45:39
Speaker 2: rebel rookies, makes Moto three look tame sometimes because those
45:42
Speaker 2: races are absolutely mental half the time. No better place
45:47
Speaker 2: to showcase what you've got than under the nose of
45:50
Speaker 2: the World Championship. Paddick as a support race category at
45:52
Speaker 2: some of these weekends in Europe, So you've got to say,
45:55
Speaker 2: given how far he's come from and what it is
45:57
Speaker 2: that he's riding, and you would have got a sense
45:58
Speaker 2: of this when you spoke to him, just a sense
46:00
Speaker 2: of sort of calm about the way that he does it,
46:02
Speaker 2: which I think is super impressive.
46:04
Speaker 1: Yes, what I mean, he seems really put together. Yeah,
46:08
Speaker 1: but he is an ozzie teenager at the same time,
46:10
Speaker 1: which is so cool to see. His mum was there
46:13
Speaker 1: as well. She's traveling with him. Dad's back home and
46:15
Speaker 1: I was working, you know, to help support his racing career,
46:19
Speaker 1: and it's cool to see you forget you know, you
46:22
Speaker 1: see Jack, and you see Senna and these guys who
46:24
Speaker 1: are in the World Championship and they're on the big screen.
46:27
Speaker 1: Then you see Carter and what his family are doing.
46:30
Speaker 1: And Red Bull Rookies O. We definitely don't give it
46:33
Speaker 1: enough talk because there's obviously so much always happening in
46:36
Speaker 1: the Moto GP paddock. But if you guys haven't watched
46:38
Speaker 1: a Red Bull Rookies race, you can watch it. It's
46:40
Speaker 1: on KO I believe it's on Fox Sports as well,
46:43
Speaker 1: so do check it out and keep your eye on
46:45
Speaker 1: Carter Thompson because I think he's going to be our
46:47
Speaker 1: next Moto three, hopefully race winner and world champion in
46:52
Speaker 1: the future. But Matt, I think that pretty much wraps
46:56
Speaker 1: up our big catch up from post Magello and obviously
46:59
Speaker 1: the as in Grand Prix, we have a little weekend
47:02
Speaker 1: off where we have the Silverstone f one or your
47:04
Speaker 1: four wheel fans. You have more racing, then we will
47:08
Speaker 1: be back with the Saxon Ring. And I am just
47:11
Speaker 1: going to call it now the King of the Ring.
47:13
Speaker 1: Mark Marquez is for sure going to return to Saxon Ring.
47:16
Speaker 2: Right as soon as you said Saxon Ring, I just
47:19
Speaker 2: started leaning left because I think I'm just going to
47:21
Speaker 2: be turning left and more left and more left. For
47:23
Speaker 2: what is it, ten out of the thirteen corners turn left.
47:26
Speaker 2: It is a really ridiculous racetrack for Motor GP and
47:29
Speaker 2: I'm glad there's not more than one of them, but
47:31
Speaker 2: as an outlier in a twenty two round season, I
47:34
Speaker 2: do quite enjoy it because it's something very very different.
47:37
Speaker 2: But something's very very different will be anyone other than
47:40
Speaker 2: Mark Marquez winning there because a track that's got undulation
47:43
Speaker 2: and turns left a lot that's almost like He's absolute Nirvana,
47:46
Speaker 2: isn't it?
47:47
Speaker 1: Mark Marquez is a form of Heaven, I guess. But guys,
47:51
Speaker 1: you can catch all the Motor GP action and if
47:54
Speaker 1: you want to watch Formula One you can do so
47:56
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48:13
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48:15
Speaker 1: the scenes as much as I can during this European adventure.
48:19
Speaker 1: But Matt, thank you so much for chatting with me
48:21
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Speaker 1: soon with more Moto GP pit talk.