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- Byron: Welcome back to another episode of Cut the Cuck, the show where we talk about the sport we absolutely love but apparently know very little about. That fool over there in that jersey, that's Chad. I'm Byron. Chad? The rugby? Chad: In that jersey. Byron: Rugbeat this weekend. So let's cut the cuck. Chad: Mm. Let's do it. Where do we start? Byron: I actually don't know because now that I'm watching MPC, Curry Cup, Greatest Rivalry, and we've thrown in the NRL, I'm exhausted. I'm watching r I feel as if the nation's championship was just a warm up for the amount of rugby I've been watching these days. And Chad: I know. And we were complaining after that first, like where that little break was. We were like, there wasn't enough rugby. And now we're like, yes, sus. Byron: No, it's f I'm I'm you know what? I throw in another competition. I'll I'll watch more rugby. Chad: Yeah. And do you know what? I realised that I watched a lot of rugby the other day, like two days ago. Byron: Go on. Go on. Chad: had the NPC on. I was watching who was it? It was on Saturday Bay of Plenty versus Northland. Byron: Good game. Chad: was a good game. And normally when the kid comes into the lounge, he'll be like, can you change your channel? and that game had just finished and then there was a NRL game on. And he said, can you put the rugby on? And I was like, What? Fucking yes I can. I was like, but this is finished. We'll put I'll put this rugby on. I put the NRL on and he goes, No, not this rugby, proper rugby. I was like, What a champion. But he could the fact that he could tell, he's only th three. so hell yeah. I was pr proud. Byron: Well he probably saw the size he probably saw a scrum from the NRL Chad: Yeah. Byron: and that's where he drew the line. I don't blame him. Even at three years Chad: Yeah, Byron: old he knows that those scrums are a joke. Chad: But that was my proud moment of the week. And my other son calls the Spros the Yellow Goats, so he might be going to boarding school in South Africa soon. Byron: You know. So there's hope for one and, you know, right off the other. well, I don't know, let's let's start Chad: I reckon. Byron: go. Do it. Chad: NPC because that's technically started on the Thursday. Well my Thursday. Byron: Okay, we'll start with the NBC. another great week of fixtures. obviously I'm new to the NPC. but a lot of games Chad: What are your thoughts? Byron: a lot of games are very close. They're very evenly matched, right down to the seventy ninth minute. Yeah. Chad: On more than one occasion in that this weekend. Byron: my overall opinion now that I've watched two games and both my teams lost in the second week. I believe that the NPC trashes the the the curry cup. I think if you put NPC sides versus curry cup sides is only gonna be one winner. I think the action is nonstop. I Chad: Yeah. Byron: like that they have the very best referees in New Zealand in that competition. overall it's it's great. I'm glad I'm watching the NPC. That's that's kind of where it's at. Chad: This is a hot take for me, but I enjoy watching the NPC more than I watch Super Rugby. Like I I enjoy it more than Super Rugby. Byron: Super rugby Atearoa or when Super Rugby had South African teams in it? Chad: No, no, no, super ugly that's not happening now. Byron: Okay, so the Atear Roa. yeah. Look, I agree with you. And I think the reason for that is in current Super Rugby, the the good games are because you're shouting for Drewer because you always want Fiji to win. and the only good games are the New Zealand versus New Zealand sides, because if New Zealand plays on Aussie side or There's pretty much only one result. Every now and then the Aussie side will pull off an upset. But if it's New Zealand versus New Zealand, then super rugby's good. But I agree with you. But and that's just 'cause the NPC's got the new the the New Zealand players. yeah, I agree with you. It's not that I guess it could be a hot take, but Chad: Yeah, it's such a fun competition. Byron: yeah. Chad: And it's just full on attack. Like the score lines between all the games, there's very rarely a low scoring game. The I mean this weekend the only low scoring was Otago and Canterbury. Byron: And that wasn't necessarily low scoring. The final score was 1915. It was still close, which made it exciting, Chad: Yeah. Byron: even though it was low scoring. Chad: Yeah. Byron: but then again, there were only two games in that week that were like not competitive right till to to the end. And that was the call Chad: no, fuck. Byron: I made where I said North Harbor will beat counties. Chad: Yeah, nailed it. Byron: and then Hawks Bay absolutely trashing the Marco. Chad: Bruh. it's Byron: That the Marco weren't even in that game from the from the first whistle. Yeah. Chad: Beginning, I know. I know. Byron: It must have been a hard watch for you. It was an easy watch for me. It was a hard watch for you. Chad: It was tough. Yeah, of course. I was thinking about you during the the Otago Canterbury bro. That was a f that Byron: Canterbury game? Yeah. Yeah. Chad: was such a good game. I was actually thinking, I was like Byron should actually support Otago and there were so many people saying Otago in the comments. Byron: Yeah, look, I've taken Otago on as my second team. But Chad: Yeah. Byron: given that we randomly chose the Wellington Lions and then we I landed up on the Wellington Lions after our discussion, I'm gonna be a Wellington Lions fans first and then our Otago second. but to speak on the Lions, Dupa Cariffia twelve. Chad: Bright. Byron: Bro, bro. Also, what I loved Chad: And Byron: got Chad: yeah, I was gonna say Billy Proctor got injured. Surely surely. Byron: Surely he gets the call up now. Chad: Even at twelve. Put him in. Yeah. Byron: It's it it's gotta be him or Richie who get the call up after Billy Proctor get got injured. Richie Mawonga also starting. Great game. Chad: Yeah, he did he did well. He's Byron: And he's got a boot on him. Chad: Yeah. Byron: His touch finders are. I did enjoy they had an interview with Karifi after the game, and they asked him what he thought about playing at 12, and and and he goes, Number one, I'm Chad: Yeah, it's odd. Byron: I'm tired because of all the thinking. He was like throughout the game, everyone was helping him on positioning. And at a certain point, he told him to keep quiet because he couldn't think anymore. His head was tired. Chad: Yeah. Byron: But he said he spent the whole week watching Barrett and I can't remember the other player highlights on YouTube so that he could he could see the positioning. It's quite funny that, like, even at that level, YouTube highlights are still the the place to go for learning how what to do and where to do it. Chad: Yeah. Byron: But you said last week that Duplice Karifi not get selected for the all black squad because he was too small for flank. If you go on with that argument, he's too big for inside center. So what do you do with the guy? Chad: Yeah, I don't know. I wasn't even saying I was saying that that's like the only possible p reason why, but like I it's Yeah. Bro Byron: Reason, yeah. And then at twelve, what a what a Chad: that that one run he got when it was straight off of the line out over the top and he just Yeah. He just absolutely Byron: Stop it. Stop it. Chad: dropped the shoulders, said the bus is full, ran over someone. Byron: It was brutal. Chad: Yeah. Byron: but it was good. again, NRL I'm excuse me, NPC. I get do you wanna just go over the results quickly? Chad: Sure. we had North Harbour versus counties. that was a d absolute I don't even know what to call it. Fifty nine nineteen. Byron: Rubbing. Chad: drubbing is the probably the technical term. then we had Tatanaki and Waikato. also crack a game, thirty two, thirty-eight trials all the way up until the Seventieth minute, seventy first minute. Byron: That's what I said. These games just go right through to the end. Chad: I know they don't stop, It's so much running. Then we had Auckland versus Baron's Marty Weddington Lions in Auckland. Went also went down to the absolute wire. Byron: Dante. Chad: and having Auckland score in the seventy seventh minute or something to score a try. Heartbreak for for them. Great game though. Byron: Said. Said all around. Chad: We had Bay of Plency vs. Northland, also another another one. Byron: What Chad: That also went down. Bro, that game was so Byron: a cracker. What a game. Chad: fun to watch. thirty-four thirty-one with a penalty at the absolute death. Yeah. With s Byron: Yeah, good rugby. I just So exciting, especially like as a neutral. It just it's Chad: Hmm. W that w when I first when I first got to my first game in rugby I went to watch Marco at at the stadium and it was just like up down, try, try, try, try, try from both sides. Close game, I was like, What the fuck is this? Why? It doesn't Byron: And and like you said, it's non stop running from their twenty-two, they don't care. It's get the ball and go for and s this is we'll we'll get to it later on, but the all blacks did it so well against the stormers, they spread the ball to the wings with ease. Chad: Yeah. Byron: It gets out to the wing with ease over and whether it's from the back line, whether it's from the forwards. That ball is spreading almost every phase. Even better than the NRL. Chad: the next game I think we just skipped the result. Byron: Hawks Bay Thrashed Marco fifty nineteen. Thought I'd get it in there before you skip over it. Chad: Yep. Otago and Canterbury, great game. Ran Furley Shield game, which was adds a bit of spice to it. Canterbury won that one in the last dying moments again, last five minutes to win that one. Byron: And even though it was a the lowest scoring game of the weekend, still one of the most entertaining. Chad: Yeah, tons of action. Even the the low Byron: Tons of action. Chad: scoring games have fucking so much going on for them. Byron: Yeah, but that's because everyone's running from everywhere on the field, so it doesn't Chad: Yeah. Byron: really matter. what a game as well. Chad: And then on Sunday, last game. Turbos and Southland probably one of my probably my favourite game of the week, weekend. So fun. Again, another one ends in the dying minutes. The eighty second minute is to win the game. Byron: I know and Southland took the lead and I was like, all right, well clearly obviously I Chad: Mm-hmm. Gamma. Byron: don't know anything about either side. but I was like, shit, Southland have this locked up. There's no way and then all of a sudden Turbo were like, you know what? We don't want to lose this one. Chad: Yeah, not today. Maybe next week, boss. Byron: Yeah the one point victory. Chad: Yeah. Byron: Good raggars again. Chad: But the what something I really do like about the whole NPC is that Ran Furley Shield Byron: Yeah. Chad: so much gets behind it. It's very similar to the what what Dave's one? Rayburn Shield. Byron: Yeah. Chad: similar concept. So now that's Canterbury have the the shield, they put it back up to get one. when they play at home. So the next game's against Bay of Plenty. So Bay of Plenty wins that game, they get to take the shield and then same thing. But you only play for it when you're at home. Byron: so you can only defend it at home. That's interesting. Gives a little Chad: Yep. It's quite cool. Byron: a little extra razzle dazzle to the game. Chad: And the g the gets so behind it when I think it was last year maybe, the Marco won it, bro, there was a parade in the town. Byron: Ha ha ha Chad: I'm I c I'm not even kidding. We went and we saw Byron: It's so sick. Chad: the shield and we lost it to the Taran yeah, Taranaki Bulls. Bro, Hunter, my son, was like, why'd they take the shield from us? Byron: Ha ha ha. Chad: Why'd they do it? He's like, I don't like them. He had a Chicago Bulls jacket, he refused to wear it because the the the bulls took our our shield. I was like, hell yeah. Byron: At least he's laying down the law. What I do like about it as well is those stadiums are packed. Like there seems to be a lot of like provincial pride in the NPC. Yeah, Chad: yeah. Byron: yeah, yeah. Chad: it is it's very much like it. It's very cool. Byron: Sh shall we do the predictions for next week? Chad: Sure, do you want me to do them or you do them? Who did them last week? Give bash? All right. Yeah, you've watched two Byron: I'll give him a bash since since we're Chad: rounds. Byron: we'll watch two rounds. I learned a thing or two about a thing or two. Chad: Okay. we're Byron: Scott. Chad: starting off on Thursday with your your mighty Wellington Lions versus North Harbour. Byron: going off Chad: That's actually a good game that one. Byron: how things are going, I'm gonna have to say North Harbour for that one. Chad: Yeah. That's gonna be a cracking that'll be a good game, I think. Byron: Good game, I think. Yeah. Chad: and then we've got Northland versus Taranaki. Byron: I'm going Northland. Chad: And then you've got Canterbury and Bay of Plenty. Byron: Ooh, I'm gonna go Canterbury unless they call up Richie Mawanga this week. That will change my decision. Chad: Okay. Byron: Okay. Chad: and then we've got Auckland and Hawk's Bay. Byron: Bruh, Haw Hawks Bay have put up fifty in both weeks, so I'm just gonna go Hawks Bay over Auckland. Chad: Okay. and then you've got turbos and a targa. Byron: I'm gonna go Tiger. Geez, I'm going away teams quite a lot this week. Chad: Yeah, well it seems like it's this week. Whoops, I just lost my thing. South Indus Walkedto. Byron: oooo Chad: I think this one's probably one of the easier games this week. Byron: on this one. Let's go I really don't know, let's go Southland. No, no. I really don't know. Let's go Southland. Chad: Look, it it's probably okay, it's probably gonna go the other way. If it does go south and you should put a bed on it. and then for the last game, Byron: Ha ha ha. Chad: surely we got counties versus Marco. Byron: Yes, look. counties still haven't done anything to show me that they can win a game. They seem to be Chad: Mm-hmm. Byron: the western force of the NPC. So I I'm gonna go Tasman Marco Chad: my god, I can't believe you just said that. Okay. Yesus, that's brutal. But I agree. I agree, I agree, I agree, I agree. Byron: okay. Well look, MPC, I approve, I appreciate it, I'm glad we're watching it. Chad: Yeah, it's so much fun. so much fun. Byron: Shall we dabble in the NRL? Chad: Sure. So and Byron: 'Cause you got you got the rabbit o's kit on, so Chad: Shout out to Bumper again. What a champion. It's actually a problem Byron: I think if you Chad: living so close to him. It's a problem. Byron: Yeah, I know when I look at it, it it the the it doesn't seem smart enough to buy a jersey, but I think I have to. the Chad: Yeah, you're gonna have to choose who what what team what if you were to buy a jersey, what jersey button? Hell yeah. Byron: it has to be the rabbidoes. It has to be the rabbit O's. Yeah. But speaking of the rabbitos, that first try was Chad: Yeah. Byron: in like I don't think I've ever seen anything like that before. Chad: Wasn't bad, But I'll be I was That I want to talk about where c how we s where do we start on this game? Byron: Wherever you want. Well, I started with the first try because I figured it only took us five minutes to hear about Harvey Norman and his replays. Because Harvey Norman. Chad: It took three, three minutes, and we scored. Byron: but that that bounce off the post, I think for the I I don't even remember who scored the try, but the reaction time, Chad: Johnson. Byron: because it it looked as if it was going past the post, and it was Chad: Yeah. Byron: the players on the other side of the post that were preparing for the catch. And then all of a sudden it was in his lap. And I Chad: Yeah. Byron: the reaction time to catch that and dot it down I thought was was pretty impressive. Chad: What I thought was wild about that game is all the points obviously in the first half were scored by the Rabbidos, twenty eight points. Second Byron: Yes. Yes. Chad: half, all the points were scored by the Eels, twenty four points. Yeah, no. Byron: I don't know if you heard the commentators. If the Eels had won that game, it would have been the biggest turnaround score in NRL history. Chad: Bruh, I was at the end of the game I was in in no shape. Byron: And and and the Eels were this close to doing it. And Chad: So close, yeah. Byron: I bashed the shit out of the Eels. Also, hold on. I don't know if you picked this up, but whenever the EL scored, there was like a lightning or an electricity noise in the Chad: Yeah. Byron: stadium. That was terrible. Chad: Yeah. Byron: But then hold on. This I thought was crazy. Obviously, in the second half, the rabbitos couldn't complete anything. Every set was a disaster. But then Chad: Yeah. Byron: there was the the the Eels kicked at 40-20 in the final Chad: Yeah. Byron: minute of the and I was like, okay, that's it. They've lost it. There's absolutely no way they're doing this. And then it was it was such a good game. It was a fun. Chad: It was fun. And I think yeah, I I hate that I'm Byron: Game to watch. Chad: enjoying it so much that we 'cause we bagged NRL for thirty years. No, it's not. But it is exciting to watch when you don't look at it when you don't look at it as union. Mm-hmm. Byron: No, look, I still don't think it's better than Union. And I'll I I it is exciting. It's it's easy to watch. It's fun to watch. because of the game, it's a very simple game to follow as well. but it does remind me a lot of the the NFL, unfortunately. Chad: Yeah. Byron: I do have a question for you. And I don't yes. Chad: about NRL? Okay. Hit me. I probably won't be able to answer. Byron: And I've seen the sad part is I've seen a lot of as I'm learning more about league, I'm seeing a lot of rule implementations in union that has come from league. One Chad: Mm-hmm. Byron: thing I'm seeing from League that hasn't been adopted by Union yet, and maybe I'm wrong, but listen to this one. In league, you've got six. Six sets, I believe it's called before it's on the fifth Chad: Something like that, yeah. Byron: set after when the ball you yeah, okay. So that final set, that sixth set, is is complete risk and all frenzy rugby from the attacking team. You know, if if you're close enough, you put an up and under or a grubber through, fingers crossed, everyone runs for and you hope for the best. It's similar in union, but why is it not as aggressive in union? So when you get a penalty advantage, you know you're getting that ball back. And the worst case scenario, you kick for touch and you're making 15, 20, 30, 40, depending on where you are and who's kicking. Why not? I know some teams will get it popping up and under, hope for the best. If they don't get it, they get the ball back. But some teams will just play on with the penalty advantage. It doesn't go their way. They come back for the penalty. Why not when you get the ball and you have advantage? Just go full NRL. Don't care about keeping possession and just put up a either a kick, a grubber immediately. And if you don't get it, you come back for the penalty. Chad: suppose it's it depends on it's that's such a loud question because it depends on where you are in the field. Byron: Okay, but my question is why does it matter where you are on the field? Did you've got penalty advantage? Chad: Well, because if you are Yeah, but doesn't mean that the other you don't have the team in a absolute terrible defensive line. Byron: Yeah, but then that's what I'm saying. So, you know, sometimes they'll do three or four phases to try drawing some players and then they'll put up the up and under or the grab a kick. And if it doesn't go their way, then they'll come back to the penalty. But why waste the three or four phases? Chad: Do you wanna get Rusty on the pod next so you can see if he can answer the question? Byron: I'm I I'm sure there's a good reason for it. Otherwise they would have implemented it. But I just think just take a few risks if you've got penalty advice. I they do take risks, but I think it can happen quicker, is what I'm trying to say. Chad: Okay. take we'll take Tony Brown. Let him let him see if he can get it onto the tacking Byron: That's all. Cause I'm I'm assuming at this point we're not the only ones who are union fans who watch league for a few ideas. Chad: Yeah, it's us and the three other coaches. Byron: Ha ha ha. Chad: Speaking of coaches in NRL and union, you see Scott Robertson apparently might be going to the Southern Orcas? Byron: Okay. Chad: it's a team over in Christchurch. It's their NRL team. who are not in the NRL but league team. Byron: Okay. Interesting. Yeah, but the the New Zealand equivalent. Chad: Wouldn't that be an absolute how wild is that? all blacks union coach Byron: I think I think there's something that can be said for the benefit of it. Chad: Yeah. Yeah. Byron: I think there is things to be learned and implemented. obviously I didn't watch all of the NRL games. I watched quite a lot of the Warriors Panthers and then I watched the whole Rabbid O's Eels game. I'll go over the results quickly, if I think that will be okay. Cowboys Chad: Work I'll allow it. Byron: beat the Titans thirty points to eight. Warriors beat the Panthers twenty eight points to twelve. Chad, can you educate me quickly? 'Cause I am an idiot. Why did the Warriors do a was it a hacker? Chad: Yeah. because I can. Byron: Okay. It it's n are the Warriors then and this is also I've never looked it up, I'm just genuinely asking. Are the Warriors not from Australia? Chad: Negative. Byron: Okay, where are they from? Chad: New Zealand? Auckland? Byron: Okay. Are there any other teams in the N I thought everyone in the NRL was from Australia. Is there anyone else from New Zealand in there? Chad: No. Are the only ones Byron: I've got more questions, not less. But anyway, we'll move on. Warriors beat the Panthers 28 12. Chad: Yeah. Byron: Roosters, who after watching last week's game apparently is the I think phenomenal. Roosters beat the Bulldogs 2018. Storm, terrible name, beat the Sea Eagles 42 20. Dolphins beat the Broncos 40 32. That is exactly Chad: But Byron: an NFL result. The Miami Dolphins beat the who's the is it the Denver Broncos? Forty thirty two. Anyway, Rabbidoes, definitely not an NFL team. beat the Eels twenty eight twenty four. Chad: Ha ha ha. Byron: the Knights beat the Raiders thirty twenty four and the Dragons beat the Sharks twenty four sixty. Chad: How good. Byron: So good. you said you have our fixtures for next week from insider in the NRL. Chad: Yes, so we have to watch the Panthers Rooster game. Byron: I I can see why. Yeah, I'm on board for that one. Chad: And then the Bulldogs Rabbies game. That's the two games Byron: Perfect. Chad: we have to watch this week. the rest of them Byron: Yeah, I'm not yeah, I'm I'm not that committed to league, so I'm happy with that. Chad: I don't really matter. I'm quite keen to watch the Broncos and Warriors game too. Byron: If I've got the time I'll throw it on. But Chad: It's on Saturday. Byron: Yeah, look, the the the the the it's fun to watch. It it is entertaining. I don't think it's as good as Union, but it's I've got no complaints. I think it's g it's a great watch. no point of going over our predictions because I don't think we know enough. It would just Chad: Waste of time. Byron: be two idiots giving out names that mean nothing to anybody. Chad: Maybe we should and we should put like a fucking the whole mo a multi on the all the games. And try scorers and Yeah. Byron: Get out of here. Nah, get out of here. Stop it. Stop it with nonsense. since we've done it this Chad: Okay. Byron: order, do you want to do the curry cup quickly and then we can talk international? Chad: Yes, please. Byron: Okay. Curry cup this weekend was interesting, given that the Stormers played twice in one weekend. I I suppose one is the URC side, one's the Curry Cup side, but still a lot of work for the Stormers in one weekend. start off with my first prediction that I got wrong. I said the Lions would beat the Kriquas. Krikas beat the Lions thirty one nineteen. I don't know if you watched the game. Chad: what's the halat? Byron: But the the Lions were the better team, except in one place on the whole field. The Lions couldn't win a line out. They couldn't they couldn't win a like whether they were in their twenty two, the opposition's twenty two, on the halfway, it didn't matter. The Kriquas dominated the line out on their ball and the Lions ball and it ruined everything the Lions try to do. So shout out to Kriquas because yeah, they apps they they the the the the the the the lions were better than them but if you can't secure your line out it it's there's no hope for you. So shout out Kriquwas. I don't know if you watched the Bulls Pumas. Chad: Puma's bulls. Yeah. Byron: Woo! Great comeback from the Bulls because they Chad: Yeah. Byron: weren't in it. but the Pumas did well to score at the end, win that game 33 31. Sharks Burland. Also I would say the worst game of the weekend. Both teams Chad: Yeah. But Byron: were pretty shit. You did win. Chad: We won, though. That's all that matters. Byron: You did win. and then shout out Stormers, you know, like we said, they played Friday. Different team, of course, that came out on Sunday against the Cheaters. Chad: Mm-hmm. Byron: but the old fuff the clack in the last dying minutes of the game to get the win there. Chad: Yeah. Byron: Good win for the Cheaters against the Stormers. again, like we said in the NPC, close games. Cheetahs, Stormers ended off another close game, just like Puma's Bulls. So, next obviously Tuesday, the Sharks play the All Blacks. So a little bit of back to back for them. Different team, of course. but do you want to do the predictions for next week for the Curry Chad: Yeah, I've got a f Byron: Cup? Chad: hit me. Byron: Lions Burland. Chad: Lions Burlands. Byron: Remember you, the sharks, just beat Borlunt. Chad: The Marty Sharks, yeah, but the sharks can be powerful. Byron: You said lions for that one? Chad: yeah, lines. Byron: All right, sha uhriquas were shocks fifteen. Chad: Good. I'm gonna have to go I'm gonna have to go Krugwests. I can't go sharks. Byron: I agree with you. Pumas was Stormers twenty three. Chad: Pewers? Byron: Think so too. I think looking at Chad: Mm. Byron: the teams, I Chad: I think it'll be close though. Byron: I think that obviously because of the the the the URC, the Lions, Stormers, Bulls, and Sharks are definitely the weaker sides compared to Cheaters, Pumas, Burland, and Krikoids who prepare the whole year for the curry cup. Chad: Yeah. Byron: so you said Pumas and then the final game of the weekend Bulls versus Cheaters. Chad: I have to get cheated. I think the the only team that's doing worse than the sharks is the Bulls. Byron: The Bulls. Yeah, exactly. So and I agree with you on that one. that's week five already of the Curry Cup. Chad: Wild I have a question and I think you kinda Byron: Hate me. Chad: just answered it in your last comment. if you look at the the tables, you've got bulls, sharks, stormers, the bottom of the log, that's bottom up. How in the curry cup do the crequest cheaters and lions and pumas do so much better? than the the teams that have so much more resources, money to spend on players. Byron: I think it's because it not just this season, but in it's been coming, where the URC side and the curry cup side are completely different in terms Chad: Yeah. Byron: of personnel. and I think that's got to do with player schedules because a lot of the URC T a lot of the players in the URC sides are Springbok players. So you have to give them a certain amount of game time and rest time. where in the past you would have, you know, Springbox in the Curry Cup. But I don't think that's the case anymore because they have to rest these players given the the length of the regular season and the length of the international windows. So I think that the the the depth requirements for the Lions, Stormers, Sharks and Bulls Is stretched a lot more than what you have for Kriquas, Cheetah's, Pumas, and Burland. Where those four sides have picked their strongest twenty three. the the Lions, Stormers, Sharks, and Bulls are picking their next strongest twenty three Chad: Yeah. Byron: that are not in contract for the URC. Chad: I can see that. I still you could still argue that all th those bottom three teams should still have teams in the curry cup that should at least rival. Like the Bulls haven't won a game. Byron: Yeah, it's it is it is harsh. But then I just I look at it as when you're picking and this is all due respect to the guys that play in the curry cup for these teams, but if you're picking the hooker, the starting hooker for the Bulls, he's at the very best third string. So he's not shit, but Burland are picking their number one hooker. Cheaters are picking their number one hooker. And I just think that that that depth requirement for the the URC clubs in the the Curry Cup. I just think you're you're going f much further down the totem pole. And also Chad: Yeah. Byron: a lot of youngsters in those four sides compared to the the other four. So if we split them up as the URC four and the curry cup four, even though it's all in the curry cup. The the the the the players that are in the URC four, a lot of them are under the age of twenty two. Whereas for the Kriquas or Cheetahs or Pumas of Burland, you're picking the best. So guys are in their late twenties, early thirties, there's these youngsters. Exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So they Chad: Yeah, been there, done that, yeah, yeah, okay. See that that makes sense. I I can get behind that. Byron: yeah there should be a discrepancy. just based on the fact that they have to prepare in this case an entirely new twenty three. Good question though. God, where to start? Let's go quickly the Chad: Yeah. Byron: under eighteens schoolboy rugby. Okay, well, it happened on Friday and it Chad: You gonna have to do this because I didn't watch any of this. I didn't even know it was on. Mm-hmm. Byron: was absolutely insane. so first off, South Africa under eighteen A. Now, if you remember from the week before. The A side beat the under eighteen regular side in a friendly match by two points. So anyway, the under eighteen A's played Ireland under eighteens and they beat them 32-31. Great game. Chad: Oof. Byron: Also, the fact that these boys are 18 is disrespectful because they are massive. Chad: Yeah, it's not it's I I'm glad I don't play rugby anymore. Like at that age. I was not built like built like those oaks. Byron: Yeah, no, I'm I'm glad my rugby days are behind me for sure. No. No. The AF I remember being 18 and going to Craven Week and looking around and going, God, this is scary. Now that I look at them, it feels like they've doubled in size over the last 12 years. Chad: Yeah. Byron: but the under 18 regular side, so the I guess you could say first team, beat France under 18 59 7. Chad: Mm-hmm. Byron: It was an Absolute thrashing. and the note that I had here was when did South African rugby get so big that we can host an under eighteen competition and have officially two under eighteen sides in the competition, and not only just have two sides but have both teams win in international competition. Chad: Moving. It's I think it happened especially in I reckon twenty nineteen when we won that first that World Cup we weren't supposed to win. And there was an absolute boom around the country around rugby. And it was just branded well. The spring blocks got new kits, everyone was wearing bock gear. Oaks get interested in rugby. Byron: Because it is at this moment in time insane. It's just there's so many so many players. it's crazy. Two sides, Chad, at under 18 level. Chad: It is it is wow. Yeah. Byron: then I did want to point out one thing, and that is the the the number eight for the France under 18s. 108 kilos, 1.93 Chad: Mm. Byron: meters tall. Chad: Number eight, your eighth bed. Byron: Number eight, one point nine three Chad: How much Byron: meters. Chad: how much does COA? Byron: Question, I'll look it up quickly. Chad: Yaspa Visa. I mean, Asper's a unity, but this guy's see ya. Byron: Hundred and three kilos, one point eight six. So there's this eighteen Chad: So bigger than C Byron: year old French boy who's looking down on Sia. Chad: Yeah. That's Byron: But come on, eighteen years old to have that sort of stature behind you is crazy. Chad: Yeah, it's unreal. Byron: so shout out to the boys. they'll be playing the opposite fixtures I don't know if I have that up when they'll be playing again. But SAA will play France and then the regular SA will play Ireland, coming up soon. Let's see if I can pop it up real quick. Tuesday. Chad: sick. Byron: SA A will play Georgia under eighteen and regular SA will play Ireland under eighteen. Cool. that's the under eighteen competitions. Br one more thing before we dive into the greatest rivalry, if you don't mind there, Mr. Chad. And that is a shout out to the Springbok women's team for beating Fiji on Saturday, fifty five to twelve. Chad: Yeah, I s I saw what's the highlights of that one too. It was a fun little game. Byron: So shout out to the ladies for this this this build of women's rugby in South Africa. I'm excited to see. Chad: It's going on such a like a it's good so much of a incline, like a rapid as Byron: So quickly. Chad: ascent so quickly on how much better we're getting. I'm I'm I'm behind it. speaking of shout-outs, Byron: I'm Chad: wasn't it? the Brackenfeld Bravehearts. They made their final. that was pretty cool. Byron: Yes. I don't have my phone on me. Chad: Yeah, I'm just trying to see now. We get got a million different messages though. Byron: They're playing the final Or they qualified for the final, should I say? Chad: Yeah, so well done boys. Byron: Brackenal Brave Arts, congratulations. Chad: Yeah. there we go. Backfield robots. I sent it through. Hell yeah. yeah, stoked. Can't can't wait to have them win. Why can't I find the thing? Yeah, Byron: So the message? Chad: I don't know. Anyway. Byron: Moving on. Chad: Moving on. The Byron: Shall we start Stormers all blacks? Chad: Brother. Byron: Right. Chad: I I'm trying to make sure I'm post up too many people. TMO's Byron: Is that the first thing we're going with? Chad: Bro Joe and I was thinking on this weekend, 'cause that that's the w is that the one they had to go back twenty three phases because his armor's out. What game was that one? What was that one? Byron: Yes. That's the one. That's the one. Marco von Staden. Chad: Everybody at the game you and Byron: knew he was out. Chad: are without. I reckon Byron: Everyone knew. Chad: there needs to be a a neutral who's not a referee inside the box who can do two things. When something's clear and obvious, push a fucking red button and it it goes back. Byron: Yes. But the thing I don't get is that that already exists. Because you'll see it no, because someone with a passion Chad: Brother, but they don't use it. So y you they need someone that with passion that can fucking they can just fucking hit the thing and be like, listen, Oaks Byron: Because I don't you hear it all the time. Like the the game will be going on and there's there's no advantage. And then you'll hear the TMO tell the referee that or this the the the the linesman will tell the referee, the AR, will say so and so was offside. So like a phase back there was an offside and then they get advantage. Chad: Yes. Byron: When Van Staden or it was Van Staden, yeah. When his arm touched the line, it could have gone one phase, two phase, but then the TMO Should have gone, Hey, he's out. Chad: Yeah, exactly. That's I'm saying. Brother I was so I was like what 'cause then what happens is they Byron: And I heard Chad: they keep playing and they play it for a decent amount of time after that too. And then you've lost Byron: It was eight minutes. It was eight minutes. Chad: eight minutes of actual game, of actual rugby. Byron: And you don't get those eight minutes back. Chad: Hundred percent that's what I'm saying. Like you play Yeah, and you've you've lost it. So you've lost the opportunity to go and score. They need to have somebody else Byron: And also like Chad: there. And also, well fucking the he Byron: Keep going. Chad: the this passionate fan, you and I sitting in the in the fucking box with this guy. It's a TMO it says, no, this there was a knock on there and it's fucking bullshit call or knock on. You just say shut up. Keep keep playing. Byron: Yeah. Yeah. Chad: Don't you're not talking to the referee today. Byron: But the other thing there Chad: You sit sit back, boss. Byron: used to be a rule about how many phases you could go back from a try scoring opportunity. Chad: Yeah. Byron: Where did that go? Chad: Yeah, I don't know, bring it back. Because yes. Byron: Be I think, you know, the three or four phase rule was perfect. Chad: also f that was so obvious that he was out. Byron: Yes. Yeah. Chad: But yeah, th it it was a a blunder by the the touch judge and the TMO. I don't know why I didn't get involved sooner. Byron: The number of posts I saw that were against the referee that said, thanks for making the game about you I was like, Jeez, buddy, take it easy. There were a lot of people upset with the ref in that one. And but like you said, mostly for the TMO. Chad: Yeah, I didn't have such a problem with the rev. Like, yes, there were some odd calls and all that kind of stuff, but I get it. But that that one because it wasted like another you said eight minutes is I was and the thing is, like as Byron: Eight minutes. Yeah. Yeah, that was horrendous. That was v extremely poor. Chad: as soon as the try was scored, I was really like, that's but it's not it's not gonna be a try. Because they're gonna go back. Byron: But we I I knew that from when the moment they 'cause you saw it live and I was like he has to be out. Then play Chad: Yeah. Byron: went on and as play was going on I said I hope there's a break in play because if they score a try, it's not going to be a try. So but Chad: Yeah. Anyway. Byron: I do want to say that all black rugby Chad: Okay. Byron: at the moment is the most exciting brand of rugby to watch. Chad: Completely different to what the rest the world is doing. They've gone back to Byron: Because they don't they Chad: their their all black style of rugby. They've gone back to the NPC style of rugby. Byron: I was about to say it is it is like watching NPC on steroids. Chad: Yeah, well that's exactly what it is. And I think that's what That's what Dave Rennie's plan is and he's Byron: It's Chad: executing it so well. And I think that's what Scott Robertson couldn't really do. I don't know why or Byron: Do you do you know what I think as well is something that the springbox need to be the most aware of is the tap and go. Chad: Quickly. Yeah. Byron: Doesn't matter where they are on the field, even in their own twenty two, if the opportunity is there, they're taking a tap and go. Chad: I know, and once that if they hit that tap and go and get it out to Will Jordan, there's problems. Byron: Damien Mackenzie. Chad: Yeah. Byron: it's so good to watch. Chad: Bro, I am so excited. What we did what okay, hang on. I'm getting too excited here. I'm getting all frazzled. Byron: Go get Razzle Frazzle Dazzle, what's going on there, kiddo? Chad: Have they named the team for next week? But we'll get to that later. Yeah, yeah. I know, I know, I know. Tell me. Hit me. Hit us with the storm of shit. Byron: Yes, hold on, wait, wait, wait. We can't go there yet. I've got a lot of stormist shit to say. Okay. I I feel so bad for Ahmed Khan. Chad: Yeah. Byron: But so you Chad: I w do you know what the injury was? Is it his Achilles or is his knee? Byron: I think it was his knee. I think it was like the ACL, MCL, one of those ones. Chad: 'Cause I watched the video and it looked like he had a ruptured Achilles and I like, that's it's Byron: And it it is so rough because he was so young. And to get that opportunity at that age to play against the All Blacks, Chad: Yeah. Byron: broke my little heart to watch him. And then, you know, he was brave coming off, but then I think when he was sitting on the bench and they came to him and he was sitting there in tears, that's rough. Nice for Chad: Yeah. Yeah. Byron: for Barrett to have a word with him at the end, but that was rough. And then we did give a lot of shit to the referees. But I do want to give a shout out to the refs in that game for how they refereed the All Blacks second yellow with the disallowed try. so obviously, for those who don't know, there was a mall, and then the Stormers scored off that mall, and it was a disallowed try because it was a separate mall was made, so there was truck and trailer. But the truck and trailer came from the number six, I think it was, from the Chad: Pulling. Byron: All Blacks who mauled around and then caused the the the break to happen. I was very impressed because the TMO wasn't talking about that, but the on field ref was. The TMO was saying it's not a try because of the the the breakaway mall. And the ref was like, Yeah, but there was only a breakaway because of the All Blacks player. So shout out to the referees for getting that one right because they normally Chad: That was the penalty trial you're talking about, Byron: Yes. the when they when they did it again. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Chad: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Byron: and then the last three, four things I have for the Stormers game. Number one, the Stormers more and scrum. Chad: Right. Yes. Carry on. Byron: Against the all blacks, it did it shouldn't have been that one sided, especially the more. They mauled the shit out of the Chad: I was more thinking the scrum. Byron: all blacks. Chad: The scrum for me was more concerning Byron: Ugh. Yeah. Chad: for New Zealand. Because when yeah. Byron: Yeah, because no offense to the the the Stormers pack, but they're not the starting Springbok pack. So I I the I look, I think the All Blacks will fix it between now and then, but they're gonna have to fix a lot in terms of said pieces because that was impressive from the Stormers. Chad: one thing I want to talk about about the storm is speaking about their Byron: Yeah. Chad: forwards. Dion Faree. Byron: Brother, brother, if he gets a call up to the box, I wouldn't be shocked. Chad: and all for it. Because C is obviously Byron: Yes. Chad: injured. Dion Ferry, brother, well fucking done. What a game. Byron: Incredible. Incredible. Chad: It looked like he was twenty-one again and just having the time of his life. Like it he was built to play the All Blacks. It's Byron: Also I wanna just point out we're idiots. The fun start in line out call with the TMO was not from the Stormers or Blacks game. That was from the Spring Box Argentina game. Chad: yeah, sorry. I was thinking they it's all the same. They all fucking Byron: We when you watch so much rugby it's all one fourteen hour long game of rugby. Chad: And there's so many South Africans. But anyway, same thing. Byron: Then a last few points on that stormers one. depth started to show in the second half. when the all blacks pulled Chad: A hundred percent for the all blacks. Yeah. Byron: away. Yeah. the stormers just looked much at the seventieth minute. Yeah. and then two Chad: But they also had a whole bunch of injuries though. So Byron: more things on that game. Number one is there were forty seven thousand one hundred and thirty people in that stadium. When we were talking about financial wins. This is gonna be big for both sides, I think. Chad: Yeah. Byron: and then my last little point is it was very cool that there was an entire section of Weinberg High in the stands. Chad: Yeah. I liked it too. Byron: for what's his name now? Khan the number ten for the stormers. Chad: Imran Khan. Imran Khan. Byron: Imran Khan. I think it I think that's his name. I apologize if. Getting it wrong, but the 10 for the storm is is from there, so it was really cool to have them there. Chad: Yeah. Byron: and I also think you know, if you watch the the the high school the high school rugby in South Africa, the support from the Chad: Wild. Byron: stands is always super exciting. So to have them at the stadium, I really hope that you see that in the other games because it was really cool. because you heard Chad: Yeah. Byron: them the whole game, the boys from Weinberg High. You heard them in the stands the whole game. Chad: Yeah. Byron: So shout out to Stormers, that was exciting. And then Tuesday we get to watch the Sharks do it. So I'm excited for that. Chad: Do you wanna quickly run through the lineups for those games? I've got them. I'll bring Byron: let's do it. Chad: who do we wanna go for first? my god, I've opened up and I've seen what we were gonna talk about too. I can Byron: Let's go sharkies first. I think that the Stormer's side was way more stacked than the Sharks team that we got. Chad: Yeah. Byron: but I'll read Do you want to read or am I reading them? Chad: You read Covered. Byron: Alright, so for the Sharkies, starting off number one, Nemo Rul Rulofse, Edwin Swart and Hooker, Vincent Koch at number three, Henry Stassen, Emil van Hierden as your locks, Pepsi Butelezzi, Emmanuel Tutuka, and Nick Hatton for your flankers and eighthman. Chad: Yeah, you you'll but Byron: Rop, rop, bop. I'll keep reading while you bring that up. Bradley Davis at nine, Vusi Moyo at ten. center pairing, we have Murray Costa and Jorenzo Julius, which is exciting. Wings, we have the seven-star Donovan Don and Dle Besta. And at number 15, we have Zekatelo Siya. Coming off the bench, Liam van Veyck, Rambo, Kubeka, Simpiwen Gobesi, Vincent Tituka, always cool to have the brothers together, Matt Ramayo, Ivan Fanzael, Leon Gliome, and the very exciting Maanonu at number twenty-three. Chad: Bruh. Some I'm so excited for a few of these players. Bradley Davis, a massive fan, I think is an absolute champion. Wissy Moyle loved the way Byron: So young. Exciting. Chad: he plays too. Obviously Julius, I mean both him and Vincent are fucking unreal. Donovan Don exciting and CIA. That back line is so exciting and fun to watch, but complete overshadowed by Ma Nanu. I'm cannot wait to see him play. And like as an all black as as an all black, you can't even give him shit. Byron: I wonder I wonder how much game time he's gonna get. Chad: But I hope he goes I hope it's a fake and they're starting with him. And they put him in Byron: It's I think it's it's also kind of it's a cool nod to the All Blacks and also to the greatest rivalry tour and respect to Nanu as well. Like the whole thing is is is only possible because of this tour. And I think that's super cool. Chad: I know. I also fuse they're obviously gonna receive a haka s from the All Blacks. I wonder if Mardana will do one back at him. That'll be cool. Byron: It's interesting. I like it. I'm just excited. I it's it's so cool to also get the Chad: But I'm so excited Yeah, I think it's gonna be so s Byron: rugby on Tuesday. Chad: Yeah, I'm waking up at five AM to watch that game. Byron: you got Wednesday morning rugby. Chad: Hell yeah. Byron: Let's do it. do you want to go over the all black squad? Chad: Sure. yeah. See if this pops up. Byron: Look at us getting all fancy. Chad: Yeah. Byron: All right. majorly looks like a lot of players who didn't get to play against the Stormers are getting their their chance here against the Sharks. So we start off with Ethan DeGroot, Asafa Omoa, who we've spoken about countlessly, and Fletcher Newell, Chad: Mm-hmm. Byron: fantastic front three. Josh Lord and Sam Derry at lock. Tupovai, Luke Jacobson, and Wallace Satiti. I I'm a huge fan of Satiti and Vai. Yeah. Chad: Wally Wally's Wallace is so good. Byron: Kyle Preston at nine, who I think is maybe their weakest scrum half for the tour. then you've got Ruben Love at 10. your center pairing, Geordie Barrett and Quinto Pia. Wings, we man. Caleb Clark, Chad: Yeah. Byron: who is, you know, and Fehi F. Fenianganofu. Chad: Yeah. Byron: amazing. And then DMAC at fifteen. Chad: D Mac at the back. Your back three are electric. It is f fighting fire with fire, these two teams. Byron: It's it's so exciting. It makes me so excited. Chad: Yeah. Byron: Bradley Slater, potential all black debut at number sixteen coming off the bench, Oli Norris and Pasilo Tossi. then we have Ethan Black Adder and Samisi Tailoa also potentially getting their debut. Cam Roygaard, Timosi, oof, Tava Tawanawai, who again. Chad: Tawa Tawa Nava, yeah. Byron: We've spoken of countless times him and Imoni Narawa. It's so exciting. The bench that the the depth of Chad: Right. I think Byron: this all black squad. Chad: Yeah. I wonder whether you're gonna play Tabatavano. I don't know if it's wing or center, but Tabatavan Byron: I just I think it would depend on on what they're needing as the game's going on. Chad: Yeah. But it'll be interesting to see if if he is replacing for the centre and we've got Ma Nanu coming in on centre, the two of them with fresh legs steaming into each other. they might feel the ripples here in New Zealand at impact. Yeah. Byron: exciting. Exciting. Good rugby. Can't wait for it. That's I don't know what else to say. Chad: Yeah. So yeah, it's gonna be good. Byron: geeze, we still got so much rugby to talk about. Before we get into the spring no, let's do the spring box game against Argentina. Chad: We already spoke Byron: Yes. Chad: about the thing that annoyed us most. The TMO. But that game wasn't Byron: The TMO. Yeah, the T O was a wild one. Chad: like it was a tough watch. There wasn't anything Yeah. Byron: for many reasons. Chad: The the kicking w was out of control. Like I get Byron: Well, the one thing that Chad: it, but it wasn't well executed kicking. It was the thing that was Byron: No, and look, this is the thing that I don't know if I'm the only one who because I obviously everyone after the game, if you go on Instagram, everyone had an opinion about the kicking, and obviously we should talk about the kicking as well. But there was an insane wind at that game. Chad: Yep. Byron: And no one spoke about the wind. Not even the commentators spoke about the wind. And the crazy thing about the wind in that game is in the first half, when the Springboks were kicking. Every kick was too far. And that's because they had the winged at their back. But they never once said, Let's change the fucking strategy. Chad: also let's get off of the Byron: They just kept kicking up, and the wind kept taking it away, and nothing Chad: Yeah. Byron: ever changed. And that pissed me off. And then in the second half, none of the kicks went forward because we were kicking into the wind. But again, no one said let's change the strategy. The ball would just go up and then backwards. Chad: Yeah. Byron: And the wind ruined it. And it's kind of scary that we never changed. Chad: Plan. Yeah. Byron: Plan because we should have. You know, if the wind is like that and you can't kick up and unders, fucking do something different. But that did Chad: Yeah. Byron: did the never changed strategy. And Argentina were fantastic in this in the first half. Even in the second. They scared the Chad: Yeah. Byron: shit out of us. One thing I do want to say though is in the first half, right at the beginning of the game, the ref gave a knock on scrum down Argentina ball. But then the TMO showed a no arms tackle. And when Chad: Yeah. Byron: play restarted, it was springback penalty. And the onfield ref goes. Please can you show the no arms tackle on the screen in the stadium so the s Chad: But Yeah. Byron: fans so that the the people in the stands know why I'm overturning my decision, given what Chad: Yeah. Byron: happened in the the England Argentina game. I thought that was pretty interesting. Chad: I picked up picked up on that too. Yeah. Byron: And look, Argentina very well could have drawn that game at the end if he if that pass went to hand. I had flashbacks Chad: that knock on. Yeah. Byron: of Fiji Wales from the World Cup. Chad: Yeah. Byron: but another fun stat for you. Chad: Yes, I love a g I love a good stat. Byron: not from the world of stats, but from Byron's dumb brain. Chad: Yep. Byron: A stat I've been tracking myself is when Zachary Porthon came on, Chad: Yep. Byron: the Springboks yet again went four from four scrum penalties with Zach Pawthon at prop. Chad: So has he he hasn't lost a scrum is what she's telling me. Byron: Every scrum in the last three games from Zachary Pawthen has resulted in a penalty. Chad: Zachary Pawson, you absolute demon Byron: He's I it's three games in a row Chad: Mm. Byron: that he's come off and has won a penalty in every single scrum. Chad: We'll have to get a a counter, Zach Zachary Pawson counter. Byron: Sacchary Portland Scrum Pen. But look, I don't know. I I wanna know how strong he is. Out of curiosity, I just wanna know how strong the boy is because he has to be some special kind of unit. Shout out to him. Chad, I don't have many points left. I've got three. Chad: About Byron: Number one, Warner Derns for Japan. Best player they got. Chad: Best best luck best luck in the world, I reckon, at the moment. Byron: Also close game, very, very realistic for Japan to have won that game. Chad: Yeah. I thought they were going to towards the end there. Byron: But shout out to Australia for getting the result. but they're in no Chad: Yeah. sorry. Byron: position to beat the All Blacks come World Cup time. But go on. Chad: All blacks Okay. If the All Blacks don't sort out their yellow cards, it's gonna be an absolute it's gonna be four nil to the Springbox. sorry, I just saw my Byron: Yeah. No the the Chad: notes now. Byron: Yeah, no, that's very true. Far too many yellows. Far too many. All the games leading into Chad: and not just this game, like over the last Byron: it, even in the the nations championship. Yep. Chad: Yeah. If they can't sort that out, they are they don't win. Even if we play like we played against No. Byron: You can't go down to thirteen men against the box for seven minutes. Chad: Negative. Sorry, completely off topic. Byron: Because they will first thing they'll do is they'll get a scrum. And then if you don't put eight men in the scrum, it's already a penalty. And if you do put eight men in the scrum, then your backline's fucked. So Chad: Yeah. Byron: what do you do? Chad: Yeah, yeah. Byron: one more thing on the greatest rivalry. I don't know if you've seen this post. If you haven't, it's quite a funny one. But in nineteen ninety-six, when they first had The last time New Zealand toured South Africa and they won that competition, they won the biggest trophy in rugby history. And the reason for this was when they sent in the measurements for the trophy to be made, they were sent in imperial, so centimeters. However, when the trophy got delivered, Chad: They made it in inches. Byron: it was in the metric system, so it was in inches. The trophy is the it's Bigger than than than so I don't I I've got a photo of it, I can send it to you or go Google it yourself. But I'm hoping that it's the same trophy. Chad: Send it to be Byron: against the Springbox, however you want to Chad: What's it about the Byron: write. But look at the size of Chad: I'd love to see you. Byron: that trophy. Chad: Easas. Byron: And that needs to be the same trophy in twenty twenty six. Has to be. There it is. Chad: That is unreal. Byron: It has to be the same trophy. It just has to be. Chad: I I hope it is. That is that is incredible. Byron: Because that thing is epic. Yeah. Chad: The fact that it was supposed to be said to me that it came back as inches is the best thing I think I've ever heard. Byron: Yes. So that is my hope that that is the same trophy that gets lifted at the end of the four match series. Chad: Yeah. Byron: It's epic, isn't Chad: Where do you put that? You can't put that in the trophy cabinet. Byron: Chad you put that that's your bedside table. That's Chad: You have to build a brother, that is you have to build a granny flat next to your trophy cabin to put this bad boy in. Byron: Next So you can put it in there. And then Chad, our final topic of the week, Chad: Mm. Byron: one that is gonna piss you off. Chad: No, I know what you're gonna talk about. Byron: Can we get your opinion of the brand new rebranding of the Natal Sharks? Show me that logo. Chad: Bruh. Let me bring this thing up. This is what annoyed me earlier. This Byron: Shhh, how are we the lager? Chad: Is not okay. Byron: I always thought go. Actually Chad: I don't know. I understand. Byron: I won't I I won't interrupt you. Tell me what you think. Chad: I understand what they're trying to do, but I think it was just handled in the wrong way. I don't like it. Byron: Is there a worse shark logo for all the because there's there's so many sharks teams that exist? But is there one worse than this? Because that sharks logo you have, the old sharks logo, the one where it's the sharks in the Natal kit with the black and Chad: Yeah. Byron: the one white stripe. Chad: Perfect. Byron: The the fact that he's running with the ball, it is a fantastic rugby logo. Maybe you modernize it, sure. But the running shark in the sharks in the Natal kit is perfect. Chad: is I've been and I've been a Sharks fan since I was and I don't have it here with me since I was tiny. I mean I've still got this Byron: A proper lot. Yeah. This Chad: from my my first ever sharks game. That is Byron: Yeah. No, now you've now you've gotta go buy a key ring. Chad: absolutely not. I saw the comments on the posts when it happened. And they were like, April Fool's was a couple of months ago. It's I I and I saw what the owner and stuff ooh yeah. Byron: And look, the CEO Yeah. Yeah yeah yeah. Chad: Caron? Byron: I was gonna say he's come on, he's explained the whole thing, the rebranding, Chad: And I get it. Byron: the keeping the the the spirit of Kozulu Natel. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Sure, your reasoning makes sense, great. corporate verbiage, no one gives a fuck. The logo shit. Chad: Yeah, it's Byron: You can dress it up as much as you want with the pride of Natal, all of that nonsense. You fucked up. You you you you came Chad: Yeah, must Byron: out with a shit logo. All the people in the boardroom that said yes, yes, yes, yes. Only reason they said yes is because they wanted to keep their jobs. It looks like shit. Chad: Yeah, it's tough. I don't wanna I took it down. It was hard to look at. Byron: Look, even if you rebranded the the OG running shark and you modernized them, sure. But what you Oaks have now is just Chad: It's so far from like if you went and put the the two logos next to each other to someone that doesn't know the sharks, you would think that they are different fucking Byron: Sports. Chad: d yeah. Byron: One's rugby, one's netball. Chad: Yeah. Why's the right? Byron: That sharks logo, the new one, could be for any sport code. Any. It could be the the Nattel NRL team. Because apparently you can have a one from a different country, it doesn't matter. Chad: Yeah, it's what is that actually? No sharks like that. Yeah, I see even this one's better. It actually looks like a shark. Byron: Yeah, I mean look, there's this is also compared to the OG Natal Sharks logo, the you know the Cronullah Sutherland Sharks, ugly logo. But Chad: Cranula is crazy. Byron: Why did I pronounce it wrong? how how are you supposed to pronounce it? Cronula? Cronola? Chad: It horribly, but it carry on. Cranola? No, they they don't they don't roll the Oz in Opera in fucking Australia. Whenever you had an an Oz you roll an R. Byron: Brother, whatever you wanna call it, that logo, shit as it is, is still better than your new one. So, you know, show some respect. Chad: Yeah, I know. Byron: that's sucks to suck. Chad: It's a yeah. It's I understand what they were trying to do, but the the execution was rough. They ask any fan, any fan and they order said Byron: I look the the the Yeah. Yeah. Even the the the new website, it's Glacka, then the sharing of the history, all of the stuff that happened around it, fantastic. You could Chad: Yeah. Byron: have done all of that and not changed the logo. Chad: With the same logo. Byron: Everyone would be, how cool is the new sharks website? How cool's the story of the history? No, no, no, no. No, all of that is lost because you chose the dumbest logo. That feels like they put they said to ChatGPT. They said, look at all the teams that have sharks in the name, look at all their logos, and give me the worst one imaginable. And that's what ChatGPT came out. Chad: I'm gonna put that prompt into Chat GPT straight off this and see what comes out. Byron: You'll get one that looks better than the shocks on Chad: Ha ha ha ha ha. Byron: anything else from your side, Chad? We've gone way over time, but it is what it is. Chad: no. Sharks logo sucks. New Zealand's probably gonna beat the Sharks. Maybe their new logo will help them. I don't know. Curry Cup's gonna be exciting this week. NPC is gonna be another cracker weekend. There's no international rugby. Byron: We got great two great NRL games. Chad: Yep. Two candle. We don't have any internationals this week, do we? Yes, we do. We do. Again, Byron: Don't believe s I'm looking it up right now. Chad: we again we have forgotten about Australia Japan. They've been forgotten about. Yeah, it's understandable. Byron: Yeah, but you know, are we missing anything there? Chad: Australia versus Japan, Saturday, my Saturday at five quarter past five. Nice early game. Wellby should win that one. They're playing in Tansville. Which will be cool for Tansville. Byron: Australia, Japan again. So no Springbok games, huh? Chad: No, we are off. we are prepping for the greatest rivalry. Byron: Saturday twenty second. All right. Chad, we've cut the cock. Chad: We have Byron: at the time of recording, we have 996 followers on Instagram. So if you're watching this and you don't follow us on Instagram, please follow us on Instagram. We'd like four more followers to make a thousand. Someone just followed. 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