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Suzanne Morphew Death: Homicide, Animal Tranquilizer in Her System · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan four years roughly, that's
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Speaker 1: forty eight months, just so that we can kind of
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Speaker 1: frame that out just for a quick second. Four years
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Speaker 1: I've been waiting. I've been waiting to find out what
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Speaker 1: happened to Suzanne Morphew. Well, the day has arrived. I
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Speaker 1: can't say I'm completely satisfied, but I felt like it
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Speaker 1: was time to sit down that Dave and I have
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Speaker 1: a conversation for a special episode that's going to deal
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Speaker 1: with this complex scientific evidence that we have laid out
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Speaker 1: before us. Right now, I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this
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Speaker 1: is Body Bags. Dave. Let me let me reach something
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Speaker 1: real quick before we dig into this, and I'm going
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Speaker 1: to give you five names. I'm going to give you
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Speaker 1: five names, and these are names that we need to
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Speaker 1: keep at the forefront of our mind when talking about
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Speaker 1: Susanne Morphew. They are as follows, doctor Emily Russell Kinsley,
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Speaker 1: doctor Leon Kelly, doctor Allison Cooper, doctor Meghan Clientsner, and
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Speaker 1: doctor Jared Murdoch. Dave, five five physicians. Five physicians signed
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Speaker 1: off on what amounts to a four page report that
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Speaker 1: we're looking at right now. Uh and I'm sure that
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Speaker 1: everybody else around the country will eventually have this in
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Speaker 1: their hands. And as I always tell everybody to talk
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Speaker 1: to me, don't believe what I'm saying, don't look it up.
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Speaker 1: Look it up for yourself, man, go check it out.
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Speaker 2: All right, Before we go too much further, why were
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Speaker 2: there so many doctors involved in Today we're dealing with
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Speaker 2: the death of Suzanne Morphew, who went missing on Mother's
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Speaker 2: Day four years ago? Can you believe it's been We're
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Speaker 2: We're that close, Joe, We're a couple of weeks away
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Speaker 2: from Mother's Day.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we are that close. We certainly are. And uh.
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Speaker 2: And I started covering this as a missing person's case
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Speaker 2: when she That's why this is so important to me.
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Speaker 2: I remember the day.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember sitting there and talking. It was immediately
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Speaker 1: after Mother's Day. Ye. Nancy had me on Yes and
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Speaker 1: on her show, and I was I was chatting about this,
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Speaker 1: and I remember distinctly thinking about and this is when
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Speaker 1: they found the bicycle. Now I think they had the helmet,
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Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken.
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Speaker 2: Found that they found the bike the day of the
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Speaker 2: day she went missing, and they found the bike that
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Speaker 2: it was the helmet they found a couple of days
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Speaker 2: later and a mile away.
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Speaker 1: Right and it was dispersed in I remember talking to
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Speaker 1: on air to Nancy about this case at that time,
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Speaker 1: you said missing persons, and you know that what I
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Speaker 1: was thinking this first off, hid in the heck this
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Speaker 1: bicycle get so far off the road. And but from
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Speaker 1: a forensic standpoint, was there any kind of trace evidence
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Speaker 1: that you could that you could recover off of this thing? Uh,
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Speaker 1: you know, points of contact where people are putting their hands,
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Speaker 1: people's people's hands other than Susanne Morpheus, you know where
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Speaker 1: you could find DNA evidence of some type. Was there
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Speaker 1: any blood evidence on there? Because you know, when I
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Speaker 1: when I hear bicycle, I'm thinking bicycle versus motor vehicle
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Speaker 1: and strike and guess who always loses in that It's
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Speaker 1: gonna be the person on the bicycle. But there was
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Speaker 1: there was no body. There was no body, And this
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Speaker 1: thing is like concealed, I mean, it's off, it's it's
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Speaker 1: it's not like it's just like down in the ditch.
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Speaker 1: You know, this thing is like it's off the road.
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Speaker 2: The bike, and so yeah, yeah, it was down a ditch.
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Speaker 2: Actually it was on the side of a cliff. I'm
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Speaker 2: not kidding. When now backing up to the day we
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Speaker 2: did this, it was the weekend we had gone through
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Speaker 2: Mother's Day where we have a missing person. We've got
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Speaker 2: very suspicious activity and a bike that is found that night.
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Speaker 2: And the bike it was found halfway down a cliff. Now,
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Speaker 2: if you've ever done any mountain biking, you know there
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Speaker 2: are some dangerous areas, but this was just off of
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Speaker 2: a road and it had gone down. But the bike
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Speaker 2: showed no damage. The bike shows no damage whatsoever. It
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Speaker 2: had been basically it rolled down the hill and stopped,
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Speaker 2: but the helmet's not there. They don't find the helmet
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Speaker 2: right away. They're looking for things. But the thing is
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Speaker 2: that Suzanne Morphew. And by the way, she was not
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Speaker 2: a longtime mountain bike enthusiast. It was a fairly new thing.
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Speaker 2: She was a cancer patient and that actually came into
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Speaker 2: play in the AUFIO because yeah, I did when they
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Speaker 2: found a piece of medical hardware. It was a port
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Speaker 2: that they used to administer medication. But it was reported
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Speaker 2: that you have a woman missing fifty ish and he
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Speaker 2: was just forty nine at the time, and cancer patient
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Speaker 2: and they're setting it up, say maybe she just decided
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Speaker 2: to take herself out and do away with herself. That
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Speaker 2: was how it was kind of being put out there
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Speaker 2: to some. But when her bike was found that night,
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Speaker 2: it was found halfway down a cliff, her helmets nowhere
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Speaker 2: to be found. The other thing she normally took when
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Speaker 2: she was biking, left in her car. Immediately people start
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Speaker 2: looking at the inner circle, you know, Yeah, things look suspicious.
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Speaker 2: So we started looking at Barry, her husband, Ary more
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Speaker 2: few and.
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Speaker 1: We we've always you know, we've we've talked about that extensively,
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Speaker 1: about the circle of intimates, you know, those those people
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Speaker 1: that that would be in her orbit, because David, I
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Speaker 1: got to tell you. You know, you've heard that old term.
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Speaker 1: They got a pipe in Sunshine beautiful area. However, it's
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Speaker 1: not like you've got random acts of violence that are
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Speaker 1: going on all the time. And I know where her
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Speaker 1: body was found that there was uh and you know,
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Speaker 1: there there were other cases of people that had been
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Speaker 1: found apparently adjacent to that location, and they used all
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Speaker 1: kinds of very theatrical terms killing field, I heard somebody say.
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Speaker 1: And there were uh, a bone yard, there were all
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Speaker 1: kinds of things. But come on, let's let's get real.
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Speaker 1: All right, this is not You're not going to have
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Speaker 1: somebody that's going to go out and maliciously kill this
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Speaker 1: woman stranger on stranger kind of event, you know, And
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Speaker 1: and so automatically, as an investigator, you're gonna look, we
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Speaker 1: want to.
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Speaker 2: Ask you this show you find the bike, the bike
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Speaker 2: has it, The bike is down the hill. There is
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Speaker 2: no body. I've had a bike greg before. And by
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Speaker 2: the way, my body was near the bike. It wasn't close,
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Speaker 2: but it was nearby, you know, because I wasn't dead.
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Speaker 2: I was alive, and I walked up the hill. Now
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Speaker 2: my bike stayed at the bottom of the hill, but
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Speaker 2: I was found. Okay, she wasn't found. They found her
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Speaker 2: helmet days later and a mile away. It immediately says,
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Speaker 2: did somebody run her off the road and then take
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Speaker 2: her body and throw the bike down the cliff? Did
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Speaker 2: they run her off the road and she crashed down
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Speaker 2: there and they went down there and got her body
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Speaker 2: up and took her off. I mean, so it makes
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Speaker 2: no sense for her bike to be found halfway down
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Speaker 2: a cliff. But there's no sign of any grass being trampled,
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Speaker 2: there's no sign of anybody walking back up the hill.
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Speaker 2: Any sign of people walking down. There's nothing in the
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Speaker 2: dirt indicative of a car running her off the road
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Speaker 2: or by the way, not even trail in the dirt.
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Speaker 2: By the way, this is that night, This is seven
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Speaker 2: point thirty that night. They think she went biking at
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Speaker 2: eight o'clock that morning.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a reason. There's a reason they're called hit
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Speaker 1: and run because when people hit a subject, whether they're
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Speaker 1: a pedestrian or a boss or even another motor vehicle,
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Speaker 1: they leave. They don't stay around to collect a body
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Speaker 1: and haul it off somewhere, which is, you know, just
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Speaker 1: so super bizarre. In this case. Now, I think that
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Speaker 1: that's one of the things that had us all kind
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Speaker 1: of befuddled.
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Speaker 2: But there was one thing that was said that night.
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Speaker 2: Her husband he had a good idea mountain lion. Mountain lion. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: he said it that night when the when he meets
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Speaker 2: with the cops at seven thirty, eight o'clock, nine o'clock,
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Speaker 2: whatever time it was that night they found the bike
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Speaker 2: at seven thirty. He was on his way back from
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Speaker 2: wherever he claimed to be. Bottom line, he suggested, well,
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Speaker 2: a mountain lion. How about I knew that.
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Speaker 1: I knew that that was BS the moment I heard it,
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Speaker 1: and not necessarily bs because it's coming from him, I
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Speaker 1: thought that it was an absurd suggestion. You know, let's
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Speaker 1: let's roll with bear as well. We're at it right.
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Speaker 1: You know.
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Speaker 2: I had to study mountain lions, Joe. You know what
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Speaker 2: I found. What's that mountain lions are severely territorial. They
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Speaker 2: also don't run impacts and landstakes out an area and
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Speaker 2: that is his or hers.
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Speaker 1: They are solitary.
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Speaker 2: And that's it.
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Speaker 1: The reason I knew this going back many years is
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Speaker 1: that I actually was in the presence of a presentation
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Speaker 1: probably the most gas and by my standard, one of
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Speaker 1: the most gasoly things I've ever seen. I was actually
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Speaker 1: at the American Academy Forensic Science meeting and there was
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Speaker 1: an odentologist from you guessed it, of all places, Colorado, Wow,
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Speaker 1: And he presented He presented a case that he had
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Speaker 1: worked of a jogger. And I'm going to get this wrong, probably,
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Speaker 1: but I think it was in Boulder where this young
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Speaker 1: lady had taken off down a trail and guess what
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Speaker 1: she ran under? She ran under an outcropping of rock
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Speaker 1: that and this trail is set up for people to
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Speaker 1: walk and run on and there were two guys in
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Speaker 1: the parking lot that left after her. It was like
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Speaker 1: a lunchtime job kind of thing. They had out and
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Speaker 1: when they get probably two to three minutes into their run,
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Speaker 1: Dave thereby that out cropping and the mountain law and
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Speaker 1: the mountain lion has its teeth sunk into her back
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Speaker 1: in the middle of the trail, and they scared the
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Speaker 1: thing off and left her. The injuries were so ghastly.
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Speaker 1: And this is the other thing that I took away
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Speaker 1: from that based upon what I was seeing. You know what,
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Speaker 1: you would see a lot of blood, there would be
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Speaker 1: a blood trail of you would see perhaps evidence of
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Speaker 1: drag marks. And I'm not talking about just like where
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Speaker 1: you're carrying dead weight. I'm talking about if an individual
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Speaker 1: had been attacked in the middle of the road and
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Speaker 1: drug off and they were not dead, they'd be fighting.
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Speaker 1: It's just a natural response. And you would see brush
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Speaker 1: torn down, all kinds of things, and you just that
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Speaker 1: wasn't coming up. And so it wasn't an animal wild
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Speaker 1: animal attack. It just it just didn't register her. But
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Speaker 1: I do know this, We have finally got an actual
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Speaker 1: autopsy report. Listen, it's not real bust, but it's more
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Speaker 1: than we had yesterday. We knew that it was coming,
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Speaker 1: but I gotta tell you for our purposes here on
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Speaker 1: body backs, it reveals quite a bit. I'm really interested
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Speaker 1: to get into this. David couldn't believe it a couple
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Speaker 1: months back. Well, I guess we were in twenty twenty
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Speaker 1: three more than a couple of months when the news
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Speaker 1: came out that they had discovered at that time what
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Speaker 1: they believed to be Susanne Morphew's remains, and then they
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Speaker 1: confirmed that they were in fact her remains. Because I
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Speaker 1: gotta tell you, I got to tell you, Boba. I
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Speaker 1: was thinking they're never going to her. And again I
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Speaker 1: go back to this idea of isolation, because this place
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Speaker 1: is so very isolated, and there's any number of locations
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Speaker 1: that she could have been hidden because this is not
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Speaker 1: densely populated. I don't know if people understand how vast
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Speaker 1: this area is out there, and the fact that that
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Speaker 1: these remains were found is just dumb luck as far
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Speaker 1: as I'm concerned, and I thought about it at that time.
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Speaker 1: I talked to other people about it, and they kind
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Speaker 1: of we came to that consensus, and the fact that
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Speaker 1: they have them. Wow, I didn't see that coming up
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Speaker 1: at whoever did this? Because I gotta tell you, I'll
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Speaker 1: go ahead. I'm not I'm not bearing the lead here,
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Speaker 1: but I'll go ahead and tell you right now what
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Speaker 1: we're looking at. They've they've ruled her death as a homicide,
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Speaker 1: but there's a few qualifiers here there, and I'm going
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Speaker 1: to have to get into.
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Speaker 2: Really curious how you're going to do this, Joe, because look, look,
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Speaker 2: just to give you an idea and if the refresher
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Speaker 2: core is on the more the appearance of Suzanne Morphew
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Speaker 2: right before she went missing Mother's Day of twenty twenty.
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Speaker 2: On May the sixth, she sent a text message to
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Speaker 2: her husband of twenty five years, Berry Morphew. By the way,
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Speaker 2: they knew each other in high school. He was a
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Speaker 2: high school baseball player, got drafted out of high school
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Speaker 2: by the Toronto Blue Jays. She was a school teacher,
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Speaker 2: and they got married had two girls. Once she had
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Speaker 2: the girls, she decided to take time off from her
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Speaker 2: teaching duties to raise her girls, and Barry started a
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Speaker 2: landscape company. They ended up moving to Colorado. As one
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Speaker 2: of the daughter's Mallory I believe went to college there,
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Speaker 2: and so here we are. It's May six, twenty twenty.
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Speaker 2: They've been out in Colorado a couple of years. Some
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Speaker 2: people said it was to save their marriage. The marriage
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Speaker 2: was not doing well, and sure enough May six, three
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Speaker 2: days before she goes missing. Four days rather, she sends
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Speaker 2: a message to him, I'm done. I could care less
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Speaker 2: what you're up to and have been for years. We
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Speaker 2: just need to figure this out. Civilly. Susann Morphy wrote
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Speaker 2: that to her husband four days before she went missing. Now,
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Speaker 2: the reason this is important is because during their investigation
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Speaker 2: police found this. But what they found is that Barry
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Speaker 2: Morphew had gone through great effort to delete that text
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Speaker 2: message from her phone and from his. But the thing is,
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Speaker 2: why would you do that?
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Speaker 1: Yeah?
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Speaker 2: May ninth, the morning, According to court documents, fifty nine
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Speaker 2: communications were exchanged between Suzanne Morphew and a man she
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Speaker 2: was dating. She had been seeing somebody behind her husband's
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Speaker 2: back for a couple of years. They'd gotten together in
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Speaker 2: New Orleans and Florida. He was from Michigan, somebody she
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Speaker 2: had known for many, many years, A long time. She
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Speaker 2: just had her fill of Verry Morphew very Morephew, you're
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Speaker 2: going to find out was charged with murder. Not today,
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Speaker 2: not yesterday. All the evidence put together led police to
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Speaker 2: Barry Morphew, and they arrested Barry Morphew and charged him. However,
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Speaker 2: the color of Bureau Investigation, the guy one of the
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Speaker 2: lead detectives on the case at the time they charged
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Speaker 2: and arrested Barry Morphew, he was against it. Don't do it.
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Speaker 2: It's the wrong move. We do not have enough evidence
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Speaker 2: to do this. And sure enough, as they started going
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Speaker 2: through the motions in court, they got it moved out
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Speaker 2: of Chafe County into a different county, you know, because
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Speaker 2: of the attention and the lack of people to choose
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Speaker 2: from in JP County. And once they got into a
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Speaker 2: new county, they're getting ready to start arguments, were getting
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Speaker 2: ready to follow this case, and all of a sudden,
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Speaker 2: the defense pleads with the judge to drop this, get
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Speaker 2: this out of kick it out. Judge looks over everything,
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Speaker 2: and sure enough, the judge dismissed it. We're talking a
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Speaker 2: couple of weeks away from getting in this trial underway.
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Speaker 2: The judge dismissed the case against Barry Morphew. In April
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Speaker 2: of twenty twenty two, the eleventh Judicial District Attorney filed
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Speaker 2: the motion to dismiss without prejudice, which means file can
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Speaker 2: be charged. It can be charged again.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I knew that that was. They have that
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Speaker 1: in their back pocket. So this is as far as
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Speaker 1: I'm concerned. This situation is far from over. But I
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Speaker 1: think that one of the things that we have to
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Speaker 1: consider is now that this assessment has been done. You know,
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Speaker 1: we've got we've got little beams of light that are
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Speaker 1: now beginning to kind of spread out and show forth
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Speaker 1: here about what do they have to work with.
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Speaker 2: Well, the restaurant when they got him, Yeah, is your
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Speaker 2: light ray? I read it just before we tape this today.
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Speaker 1: Please whole force.
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Speaker 2: Man. The things they found inside that house, the evidence
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Speaker 2: they found that made them want to charge very more
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Speaker 2: for you after the autopsy report today made incredible sense.
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Speaker 2: Justin Scott Morgan, incredible sense. They found, Yeah, the gun
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Speaker 2: you used of fired darts that tranquilize animals.
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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, found one of those.
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Speaker 2: They found a cap that goes on the end of
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Speaker 2: that needle in the dryer in the laundry. Why would
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Speaker 2: you have that unless you recently shot one. They found
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Speaker 2: an unspent twenty two caliber shell or a bullet. Rather
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Speaker 2: found a few other things around the house too, that
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Speaker 2: now that we actually have something to talk about with
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Speaker 2: regard to an autopsy, it makes a lot of sense.
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Speaker 2: So I got to ask you, Joe, they only found bones, right,
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Speaker 2: that's all we found, because she had been from May
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Speaker 2: of twenty twenty until September when they have twenty twenty three.
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Speaker 2: Last September, they found her bones, right.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, they did, and at the time. At the time,
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Speaker 1: we didn't know what the status of it was, all right,
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Speaker 1: cause I there were commentators that came out and said that, oh, yeah, well,
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Speaker 1: there's a potential that we're still going to have what's
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Speaker 1: referred to as soft tissue, and what that means is
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Speaker 1: that you'll still have skin, you'll have muscle, you'll have fat,
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Speaker 1: and all of the components even if they're in an
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Speaker 1: advanced state of decomposition that was being put forth. I've
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Speaker 1: never held that opinion. I always felt as though that
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Speaker 1: her remains would essentially have been skeletonized, and my thought was,
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Speaker 1: are they going to be scattered to the point where
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Speaker 1: you're not going to have a complete skeleton? And I
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Speaker 1: cannot say that they do in fact have a complete skeleton.
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Speaker 1: But they've got they've got enough. And it's painstaking work
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Speaker 1: because when you're in kind of ah see, how can
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Speaker 1: I put this? When you're when you're out in an
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Speaker 1: area like this and you have a body that is
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Speaker 1: in what they have framed, Dave as a shallow grave.
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Speaker 1: Her body is not just laid on top of the earth.
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Speaker 1: She's in a shallow grave. Now, we don't have any
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Speaker 1: specifics in the autopsy report as far as greatest depth
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Speaker 1: of this defect in the ground, which I'd be very
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Speaker 1: keen on knowing. I want to know because you know,
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Speaker 1: the deeper deeper the hole is in the ground. Uh,
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Speaker 1: that goes to a time, doesn't it, because it takes
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Speaker 1: more time. And what I did here and you might
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Speaker 1: find this find this quite interesting, Dave. The soil out
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Speaker 1: there is not like going into your grandma's tomato a
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Speaker 1: garden and turn it over, you know, topsoil and loam
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Speaker 1: and manure and all that. And no, this is this
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Speaker 1: is hard, hard work that you're talking about. It would
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Speaker 1: require exertion. As a matter of fact, I'd heard one
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Speaker 1: fellow in an interview say that if you're going to
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Speaker 1: show up to dig a hole out here, you need
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Speaker 1: a pick ax with and my good god, I was
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Speaker 1: thinking of pick axe. Yeah, and then then you need
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Speaker 1: a really sharp shovel in order to you know, complete
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Speaker 1: the deal, because it's so from and so you would
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Speaker 1: in order to generate a hole. First off, you got
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Speaker 1: to be vested. You got to be vested. You've got
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Speaker 1: to be somebody that wants to bury this woman's remains well,
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Speaker 1: and then you think about how are you going to
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Speaker 1: know about this area? How are they going to have
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Speaker 1: specific knowledge of this particular location where she is found?
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Speaker 1: And then you have to show up with right tools
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Speaker 1: because whoever went out there would know that. Okay, I'm
20:30
Speaker 1: not just you know, I'm not gonna you know, have
20:32
Speaker 1: the have the shovel here that you know, I picked
20:35
Speaker 1: up this local box store, you know I and is
20:39
Speaker 1: hanging on the rack with all the other ones. I'm
20:40
Speaker 1: gonna need something hefty, something robust. I'm gonna need other
20:44
Speaker 1: tools to break loose this soil. And so that again
20:49
Speaker 1: requires a lot of effort. Can you imagine being out
20:52
Speaker 1: there and you're digging a hole, and could you be
20:57
Speaker 1: seen by the main road with somebody see a truck
21:01
Speaker 1: or a car that's out there parked on the side
21:04
Speaker 1: of the road, or was her body removed from the
21:08
Speaker 1: road and then taken many many yards away from the road,
21:13
Speaker 1: And you got a loan figure out there digging away,
21:16
Speaker 1: working hard. Were you going to do that in the daylight? Well,
21:20
Speaker 1: it's kind of a it's not necessarily a robust population
21:24
Speaker 1: around there. Maybe you could get away with it. I
21:26
Speaker 1: have no idea, but I think that someone would have
21:30
Speaker 1: had to have accomplished this, probably at nighttime day in
21:33
Speaker 1: order to facilitate this. But who could have put their
21:37
Speaker 1: hand to the plow as it were, relative to this
21:40
Speaker 1: to facilitate it. So the fact that they recovered her
21:45
Speaker 1: in this hole and the remains appeared to be concentrated
21:49
Speaker 1: around that specific defect, which by the way, they did
21:52
Speaker 1: in fact identify, they wound up having to recover the
21:59
Speaker 1: remains out there. And another interesting part to this is
22:01
Speaker 1: that they recovered what they believe or animal bones that
22:05
Speaker 1: are out there as well. So you've got this kind
22:07
Speaker 1: of commingling of remains or skeletal remains that are going on,
22:13
Speaker 1: And so that requires not necessarily simply a you know,
22:18
Speaker 1: I talked about the five physicians early on that signed off,
22:21
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to call in a forensic anthropologists. As
22:23
Speaker 1: a matter of fact, I want a forensic anthropologists out
22:26
Speaker 1: there at the site with the agents. I want them
22:29
Speaker 1: conducting the excavation because they're trained to do this. And
22:32
Speaker 1: they're also trained and this is kind of an amazing
22:35
Speaker 1: feat to me out of One of my dear friends
22:38
Speaker 1: is a PhD forensic anthropologists, and that boy could walk
22:42
Speaker 1: down the road and he never looked up. He never
22:45
Speaker 1: looked to the left of the right, you know where.
22:46
Speaker 1: He always looked at the ground and he could find
22:50
Speaker 1: things just laying on the ground. We were walking across
22:53
Speaker 1: a parking lot one day. He found a match box
22:58
Speaker 1: that I didn't see it was and it had clay
23:01
Speaker 1: on it. Where they were doing work, David Scene had
23:05
Speaker 1: an image engraved on it of a hunter with a dog,
23:08
Speaker 1: and it turned out the circle of the thing was
23:10
Speaker 1: like eighteen eighty eight and he just happened to look
23:12
Speaker 1: down and he's seeing this thing. They have forensic anthropologies.
23:15
Speaker 1: We hear about the body farm and all this sort
23:17
Speaker 1: of thing. They are amazing with the way they can
23:21
Speaker 1: like you and I might see a clot of dirt
23:24
Speaker 1: or rock that's not what they see, they see something
23:27
Speaker 1: completely different. It takes years and years of training in
23:31
Speaker 1: order to appreciate the environment and kind of understand it.
23:34
Speaker 1: But they did recover these remains, and so everything has
23:37
Speaker 1: to be examined. And in the case of Susanne Morphew,
23:42
Speaker 1: one of the things that would have to take place
23:44
Speaker 1: is that they would try to reconstitute her skeleton on
23:48
Speaker 1: one table. And I guarantee you, Dave, they took pictures
23:51
Speaker 1: of this there and there's for those that don't have
23:57
Speaker 1: the actual the action list and from just bear with
24:02
Speaker 1: me here be patient, there is actually here. Here are
24:08
Speaker 1: They collected everything in three bags and they have these
24:15
Speaker 1: things broken down so that they collected in their first suite.
24:21
Speaker 1: They have collected Day one. There's a Day one bag
24:25
Speaker 1: and then there is a second Day one bag that
24:28
Speaker 1: actually contains the skull. So they've kept the skull separate
24:31
Speaker 1: from whatever it was that they found on the first day.
24:35
Speaker 1: And so on day two and three they went out
24:38
Speaker 1: and found more remains which they backed together, so they
24:41
Speaker 1: wound up with three bags of remains. It's commingling of
24:45
Speaker 1: these remains, and you can't really kind of understand that,
24:48
Speaker 1: you know, when you're out there. You have to take
24:50
Speaker 1: it back to the laboratory environment to break everything down.
24:54
Speaker 1: And you know, plus you've got dirt and they also
24:56
Speaker 1: found wood and wood many times dave can actually look
25:00
Speaker 1: like bone. But here's here's what we came up with.
25:03
Speaker 1: This is kind of the inventory, just so that everybody's
25:05
Speaker 1: in the same sheet of music. Here. So here we go.
25:08
Speaker 1: We have a skull with a mandible, which is actually
25:11
Speaker 1: the jaw. We have the sacrum, which the sacrum is
25:16
Speaker 1: it's not it involves the cocas, but it's it's that
25:20
Speaker 1: last destination going down your spine, that big flat bone
25:24
Speaker 1: that is literally that comprises your tailbone. They've got multiple ribs.
25:30
Speaker 1: It's surprising me many times that they actually find ribs
25:33
Speaker 1: because ribs animals love these things. So they've got bilateral
25:38
Speaker 1: radius and ola, which are the two bones in the forearm.
25:43
Speaker 1: They've got the manubrium, and they've got the sternum, and
25:46
Speaker 1: of course the sternum is that plate that covers your
25:49
Speaker 1: heart right in the center of your chest. You can
25:51
Speaker 1: feel yours. They've got the right scapulum, which is you
25:56
Speaker 1: know that kind of wing shaped bone that's on your
25:59
Speaker 1: that's on your back. Okay, so the right one, they've
26:01
Speaker 1: got one of the clavical which is your collar bone.
26:05
Speaker 1: They've got the right and left femeral bones. They've also
26:10
Speaker 1: got the right and left tip fib which are the
26:13
Speaker 1: two bones in your lower leg. And then they've got
26:16
Speaker 1: multiple vertebral bodies as well. And here's the kicker. And
26:23
Speaker 1: this is what this leads to, Dave. There was no
26:26
Speaker 1: and I mean no soft tissue left. I thought that
26:31
Speaker 1: I really thought that what we were going to see
26:34
Speaker 1: was that we were going to have some semblance of
26:38
Speaker 1: soft tissue, because many times, particularly in more of an
26:41
Speaker 1: arid climate like this, you can have natural mummification that
26:45
Speaker 1: takes place and you'll have soft tissue the remainder of
26:48
Speaker 1: the skin that will kind of be dried out and
26:51
Speaker 1: thinly stretched over the scaltal remains. But at the end
26:54
Speaker 1: of the day, the answers are actually going to rest
26:59
Speaker 1: in the bone. When you have a decomposed body. And
27:20
Speaker 1: when I say decomposed, the body is essentially in a
27:23
Speaker 1: state that is first off, unrecognizable. Most of the time
27:28
Speaker 1: is as you can imagine as very pungent. It's swollen,
27:32
Speaker 1: skin is really greasy. You've got skin slippage going on.
27:35
Speaker 1: All of these changes have taken place for a protract
27:37
Speaker 1: period of time. But the saving grace here scientifically is
27:41
Speaker 1: that you still have soft tissue. And even though you
27:45
Speaker 1: might not could get TALX results from blood because the
27:49
Speaker 1: blood has gone through such decomposition. What we would do
27:58
Speaker 1: Dave many times is take a slice, particularly of the liver.
28:02
Speaker 1: You can do it with the brain too, but with
28:04
Speaker 1: the liver, and you place the liver into that slice
28:07
Speaker 1: of liver into a tube like a test tube, and
28:11
Speaker 1: you put it on a centrifuge and you spin it down.
28:14
Speaker 1: You spin it down to the point where it liquifies,
28:18
Speaker 1: and you can draw that up and you can perform toxicology.
28:21
Speaker 1: And here's another little known fact that if you think
28:25
Speaker 1: that was bad, the next one I'm about to give
28:27
Speaker 1: you is really bad.
28:28
Speaker 2: I'm thinking, if you start talking about farber beans and
28:30
Speaker 2: kin I'm really going to lose my hand.
28:33
Speaker 1: No. No, I'm going to talk to you about maggots though,
28:36
Speaker 1: because one of the things that we can do with
28:39
Speaker 1: maggots is if we can extract maggots from the body,
28:43
Speaker 1: guess what they do, particularly with opiates and cocaine, they
28:49
Speaker 1: will begin to metabolize those drugs that are contained within
28:53
Speaker 1: the body. If you can collect the maggots, you can
28:55
Speaker 1: spin those down and actually find out what was going
28:58
Speaker 1: on in the system of the de ceased. Now, you
29:01
Speaker 1: can get a qualitative amount most of times, but you're
29:03
Speaker 1: not gonna be able to get a quantitative amount like
29:05
Speaker 1: that will say, Okay, you're in lethal levels, not like blood,
29:09
Speaker 1: so you're still tissue, right, Yeah, that's that's with tissue.
29:13
Speaker 1: And so that's you know, the five physicians that I
29:16
Speaker 1: mentioned just a moment ago. That's a conundrum here there,
29:20
Speaker 1: and let me address this real quick. I know that
29:23
Speaker 1: we're going long on this, but this is a great
29:26
Speaker 1: moment that everybody can learn from. The reason you have
29:32
Speaker 1: five physicians on this thing day is, first off, they're
29:35
Speaker 1: no fools. They know what the heat of the spotlight
29:39
Speaker 1: is like, right, and they're not They're not going to
29:42
Speaker 1: try to put the responsibility off on the others. These
29:45
Speaker 1: guys are physicians. So what they do is they sit
29:49
Speaker 1: around in morning meetings and I've been in them, and
29:52
Speaker 1: they talk about cases of the day. Dude, They've been
29:55
Speaker 1: talking about this case for a long time at this office.
29:58
Speaker 1: And so what is how happened is can you imagine
30:01
Speaker 1: this if you ever wrote a report and you didn't
30:04
Speaker 1: just have like one of your colleagues review, you got
30:08
Speaker 1: five reviewing it, and they're gonna pick this thing. They're brutal.
30:11
Speaker 1: I mean they're brutal, and they need to be kind
30:14
Speaker 1: of truth. You have to because you say, I wouldn't
30:17
Speaker 1: have come to this conclusion. But whatever occurred, you've got
30:21
Speaker 1: validation by five separate subjects here that are saying scientifically,
30:25
Speaker 1: we're signing our name on the scene, and we we
30:29
Speaker 1: agree with your diagnosis here.
30:30
Speaker 2: Then I got to know how they came up with it,
30:32
Speaker 2: because you just went through the whole thing about how
30:34
Speaker 2: we're going to get toxicology reports from a liver that
30:38
Speaker 2: you've run through a centrifuge and through skin and blood
30:41
Speaker 2: and things like that. But from everything we're seeing, you know,
30:45
Speaker 2: you started off with the Raiders of the Lost Art
30:47
Speaker 2: guys going out there and getting the bones, right, that's
30:50
Speaker 2: all we've got. We've got bones, and we do have
30:53
Speaker 2: some clothing, but we don't have any soft tissue. We
30:57
Speaker 2: don't have any tissue, we don't have any We have
30:59
Speaker 2: nothing other than hard bones. Joe a skull, a femur.
31:04
Speaker 2: We don't. I'm not seeing I've looked at this whole report.
31:07
Speaker 2: How are you going to get toxicology when all you
31:09
Speaker 2: have are bones?
31:10
Speaker 1: Okay, everybody, find your hip joint. Okay, up at the
31:15
Speaker 1: top the top of your femur. Okay, where your your
31:19
Speaker 1: femur actually fits into that ballen socket, that joint right there.
31:25
Speaker 1: That the head as it's referred to, the head of
31:28
Speaker 1: the femur, is arguably one of the most robust, dense
31:33
Speaker 1: bones in the body. But guess what else it contains.
31:36
Speaker 1: It has vessels in there, Okay, and so anything that
31:40
Speaker 1: is in there is there is a possibility that you
31:44
Speaker 1: can actually there's a possibility that you can actually extract
31:53
Speaker 1: data from there if you will. I know that sounds
31:56
Speaker 1: very computer like, but you know, data is really what
31:59
Speaker 1: we're looking for. And it's interesting here kind of backing
32:03
Speaker 1: up just for a second. One of the things that
32:06
Speaker 1: was done, and this is a quote, the right femeral
32:09
Speaker 1: head of femeral fragment and femur head is retained for
32:14
Speaker 1: toxicology testing prior to release for forensic anthropology examination. So
32:21
Speaker 1: what they did, Dave is given the status of this
32:24
Speaker 1: bone one of two things happened. Either the head of
32:28
Speaker 1: the femur was fragmented off and they retained it, or
32:33
Speaker 1: and I've seen this done before, they went to the
32:36
Speaker 1: shaft just beneath the head of the femur and they
32:39
Speaker 1: used a striker saw and they cut the thing right
32:43
Speaker 1: into and they held onto the entire head of the femur.
32:46
Speaker 1: And if you're holding onto the entire head of the
32:48
Speaker 1: femur when you begin to test this thing, because you're
32:51
Speaker 1: going to it's a destructive test. It's you I don't
32:54
Speaker 1: you know people talk about destructive and non destructive. This
32:56
Speaker 1: is a destructive test. So you want the biggest opportunity
33:00
Speaker 1: of sample at that point, tom, So.
33:04
Speaker 2: You ruin it.
33:04
Speaker 1: You don't. It's gone, baby, it's gone. And so that's
33:09
Speaker 1: that's apparently what they did here. They retain that and
33:11
Speaker 1: then they turned everything over to to the forensic anthropologist.
33:17
Speaker 1: So they would have had to sit down with the
33:19
Speaker 1: forensic anthropologists say listen, we did this to the bone,
33:24
Speaker 1: and I want you to think that some kind of
33:25
Speaker 1: dismemberment has taken place or anything like that. And there
33:29
Speaker 1: is a forensic anthropologist that's actually mentioned in the autopsy report,
33:33
Speaker 1: and it would have been their job to examine the bone.
33:34
Speaker 1: So they're examining essentially a headless femur or fragmented UH
33:40
Speaker 1: femur that has been extracted. It was fragmented, and they
33:42
Speaker 1: try to contain everything. But how do we get to
33:45
Speaker 1: this point? Well, what has to happen is essentially, I'm
33:49
Speaker 1: going to try to put this in as simple as
33:52
Speaker 1: terms as possible. They take a solid sample of bone
33:57
Speaker 1: and they will drop it into a tube and they're
34:00
Speaker 1: essentially going to bombard this thing and use the methodology
34:07
Speaker 1: that's called a SE. It's it's called accelerated solvent extraction,
34:13
Speaker 1: and the idea is to bring out as much of
34:18
Speaker 1: the content of that bone that can be analyzed, and
34:22
Speaker 1: they're going to throw this thing into a mass spect
34:27
Speaker 1: machine mass spectrometry to take a look and see what
34:30
Speaker 1: they can find in there. Because there's certain there's certain
34:33
Speaker 1: base elements you're going to find in bone, and we
34:35
Speaker 1: always hear about this. You need to, you know, eat
34:38
Speaker 1: plenty of calcium. When you have calcium in your diet
34:40
Speaker 1: and all this, you're going to expect to find minerals
34:42
Speaker 1: like that, but what you're not going to expect to
34:45
Speaker 1: find is animal tranquilizer and in this particular case, hold
34:54
Speaker 1: onto your hat, that's what they found in the head
34:57
Speaker 1: of this femur. So I cannot imagine. I can only
35:03
Speaker 1: imagine right now because this again, you've got a doctoral
35:07
Speaker 1: level forensic toxicologist at the State crime Lab that's involved
35:11
Speaker 1: in this now, and I can just imagine they're sitting
35:14
Speaker 1: there in their lab. They're in their white lab coat.
35:17
Speaker 1: This thing has been taken to the state, to the
35:19
Speaker 1: State lab. The forensic toxicologists is sitting there and they
35:23
Speaker 1: had they had like this all of a sudden, this
35:29
Speaker 1: clarity came upon when they began to read this test
35:32
Speaker 1: and they were like, holy smokes, looks what's Look, what's contained?
35:36
Speaker 1: I think there are people out there that would like
35:38
Speaker 1: to know this information. Immediately, they're picking up the phone
35:41
Speaker 1: the five doctors. They're calling the five doctors at this
35:44
Speaker 1: point in time, say hold on a minute, has Well,
35:48
Speaker 1: You've got something to tell you that you're not going
35:50
Speaker 1: to believe. We're going to send the full report, but
35:52
Speaker 1: I got to tell you just over the phone. This
35:56
Speaker 1: is a gigantic piece of information because Dave, the compot
36:00
Speaker 1: that we're talking about here is used in tranquilizer darts
36:06
Speaker 1: to literally sedate animals. What was it you told me
36:10
Speaker 1: about what one of the compounds? There's essentially I think
36:13
Speaker 1: six compounds in here. Yeah, one of the compounds you
36:16
Speaker 1: had said you said something about a large A large animal.
36:19
Speaker 2: Dude, I'm not trying to be disrespectful, and I say, no, really,
36:25
Speaker 2: I don't even know how to pronounce this thing. Okay,
36:27
Speaker 2: but it's a sedative. I looked it up. It's a
36:29
Speaker 2: sedative used commonly used for pigs and elephants. Who is
36:38
Speaker 2: going to ingest a sedative for pigs and elephants when
36:42
Speaker 2: you can find human ones not far away?
36:44
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's uh, it's it's certainly well, it's certainly intriguing,
36:50
Speaker 1: I think from from an investigative standpoint. And yeah, I think, Dave,
36:56
Speaker 1: the the one that you're actually referring to here is
37:00
Speaker 1: the ASA prone, which is actually it's used. Okay, here,
37:07
Speaker 1: let me paint this picture for you. Imagine you You
37:09
Speaker 1: got to have.
37:10
Speaker 2: Me understand it, Joe, because this is really messed with
37:12
Speaker 2: my head in the last couple of hours.
37:14
Speaker 1: Well just imagine, just imagine you've got a charging elephant
37:18
Speaker 1: coming at you, but you don't want to kill the elephant.
37:20
Speaker 1: All right now, it's certainly going to take a higher dose, say,
37:25
Speaker 1: for instance, than if you were shooting I don't know
37:27
Speaker 1: raccoons or squirrels or foxes in your backyard, but it would.
37:33
Speaker 1: It would. It has been used to sedate elephants, Dave.
37:38
Speaker 1: And so it's and it's not just that it doesn't
37:41
Speaker 1: simply just kind of stand alone. There are other elements
37:46
Speaker 1: to this compound that all mix in, and every single
37:50
Speaker 1: one of them has has something to do with sedation,
37:56
Speaker 1: anti anxiety, all these sorts of things. So if you
38:00
Speaker 1: if you hit somebody up, say for instance, with this substance,
38:05
Speaker 1: they're pretty quickly they're gonna get weak need David. Uh,
38:10
Speaker 1: they're gonna get to the point where they're not gonna
38:13
Speaker 1: be able to function.
38:15
Speaker 2: Uh.
38:15
Speaker 1: If you've if you've ever, if anyone out there has
38:19
Speaker 1: ever had anesthesia, that that first burst of drugs that
38:24
Speaker 1: they give you to kind of get you ready for
38:26
Speaker 1: surgery where you kind of get that milky warm feeling.
38:29
Speaker 1: It's one of the best feelings in the world. You know,
38:31
Speaker 1: you don't care about anything else, there's no anxiety. You're
38:34
Speaker 1: gonna go through that, and then all of a sudden
38:37
Speaker 1: because of these other compounds that are in here. When
38:42
Speaker 1: you mix them together, darkness is gonna wash over you.
38:47
Speaker 1: And they ain't a damn thing you knew about it.
38:49
Speaker 1: Because it's in your system. Your body begins to metabolize
38:53
Speaker 1: this thing. You're uptaking this stuff, and it's hard. It's
38:58
Speaker 1: hard to know. I know that they're be a lethal
39:02
Speaker 1: level with these substances. I think that more is going
39:05
Speaker 1: to come out because look, we still don't have the
39:07
Speaker 1: toxicology report at this point, we don't even have the
39:10
Speaker 1: anthropology report. All we have is this four page report
39:14
Speaker 1: that was issued from the medical examiner. You know, to
39:18
Speaker 1: all interested parties, there's going to be a lot more
39:21
Speaker 1: of this to come. But you know, we not only
39:25
Speaker 1: did they recover bones out there, they've got remnant of
39:28
Speaker 1: clothing as well. That's found in this grave with Suzanne.
39:33
Speaker 1: More few and it's a lot of it is kind
39:36
Speaker 1: of fragmented and ragged. But what really struck me, Dave,
39:45
Speaker 1: was the fact that they found they found a bullet.
39:52
Speaker 1: They found a bullet out there, So what sense do
39:58
Speaker 1: we make of this? Can we actually appreciate a gunshot
40:05
Speaker 1: wound in bone? Possibly? But here's the rub. It has
40:11
Speaker 1: to have passed through a bony structure and have left
40:16
Speaker 1: a fracture that would have occurred not postmortem, but anti mortem,
40:21
Speaker 1: and they can suss that out. They can actually make
40:24
Speaker 1: sense of that. And can you tie that projectile back
40:31
Speaker 1: to a very particular weapon, because here's another thing that
40:35
Speaker 1: wasn't mentioned. We don't know what caliber is. We only
40:38
Speaker 1: know that we've got a weathered projectile that is found
40:43
Speaker 1: there in the dirt adjacent to this woman's body that
40:47
Speaker 1: is now skeletonized with tattered clothing, and she's got tranquilizers
40:55
Speaker 1: in her in the head of her femur.
40:59
Speaker 2: Y diferent types. Joe and this and the bullet, those
41:02
Speaker 2: two things come to mind because you found the cap
41:05
Speaker 2: for the needle bit you used in a dark gun.
41:08
Speaker 2: They found that in the dryer. And by the way,
41:10
Speaker 2: Barry Morphew said he did that he used these tranquilizers
41:14
Speaker 2: for deer, that he would shoot them so that he
41:16
Speaker 2: could harvest their antlers. I'd never heard that before, but
41:22
Speaker 2: that's the kind that's yeah, that's why, that's why they
41:24
Speaker 2: found the cap in the dryer. It must have just
41:27
Speaker 2: been in my pocket. Of course, that doesn't explain anything else.
41:30
Speaker 2: But they also found the bullet. Next wee well down
41:32
Speaker 2: in these parts. Yeah, goottle boys put on their put
41:35
Speaker 2: on their boots and their blue jeans and they go
41:37
Speaker 2: walking through the woods. You could find you know, you
41:39
Speaker 2: can find racks just laying on the ground if you
41:41
Speaker 2: know where to look, and you're looking for rub on
41:43
Speaker 2: the tree and all that sort of thing. But you're
41:45
Speaker 2: telling me you're going to tranquilize a deer, which I
41:49
Speaker 2: think out there that have mule deer which are bigger
41:51
Speaker 2: than our white tail deer. I guess it is white
41:53
Speaker 2: tail too. I guess you're gonna take it. What are
41:55
Speaker 2: you gonna do? Take a saw and saw it off
41:56
Speaker 2: their head? I don't know.
41:58
Speaker 1: I've never I've never heard this. I heard it, you know,
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Speaker 1: when these initial reports came. But I'm fascinated by this because, yeah,
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Speaker 1: we've got the tranquil we've got the elements that go
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Speaker 1: along with this thing. But Bubba, we've got we've got
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Speaker 1: this doll gone round that's out there. I want to
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Speaker 1: know what the caliber is and also the status of
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Speaker 1: the round. Is it deformed in any way? Did it
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Speaker 1: pass through multiple bony structures in the body, Is it
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Speaker 1: Is it a round that could have been a hollow
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Speaker 1: point that mushroomed. Is it a tiny round I don't know,
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Speaker 1: like a twenty five caliber three eighty or a twenty
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Speaker 1: two caliber. I'd be very fascinated by that. I'd want
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Speaker 1: to know. Or is it a rifle round. You know,
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Speaker 1: if it's a rifle round, it's going to be kind
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Speaker 1: of robust, you know, seven point six y two perhaps
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Speaker 1: or less so five point five six. I want to
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Speaker 1: know what this round was and what type of weapon
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Speaker 1: was it fired from. And also if you've got a projectile.
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Speaker 1: If you've got a projectile, to me, that means that
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Speaker 1: they used a metal detector out there. How big a
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Speaker 1: sweeping area did you cover out there when you're doing
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Speaker 1: your search all over the place. Did you recover a
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Speaker 1: spent casing. If it's a spent casing, then we automatically
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Speaker 1: know that this is a semi automatic handgun. If it
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Speaker 1: is a handgun and it ejected, didn't find it. But
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Speaker 1: if it's a revolver. If it's a revolver, that means
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Speaker 1: that whoever fired this projectile walked away with the spent
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Speaker 1: casing still contained in the cylinder of that revolver. And
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Speaker 1: that's one of the things that you're looking for here.
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Speaker 1: I think that there's a lot more to come on
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Speaker 1: this case, David, but I don't know if it offers
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Speaker 1: anybody really any peace. I think that maybe we're a
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Speaker 1: less we might be a bit less confused, But I
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Speaker 1: know this. It seems as though that when her body,
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Speaker 1: Susan Morphew, her body was removed from that hole in
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Speaker 1: the ground and that hard, hard soil with her, came
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Speaker 1: some answers, but also amountain of questions. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan,
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Speaker 1: and this is body matter.