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Patriots Catch-22 8/27: Initial 53-Man Roster Breakdown, Live Waiver Claim/Moves Reaction · Patriots Catch-22

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  Speaker 1: Roads where many young players across positions, frankly across sports
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  Speaker 1: kind of hit after their first year. Drake May was
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  Speaker 1: a red shirt, had a great first year at UNC,
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  Speaker 1: lost a lot of talent and was not quite as
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  Speaker 1: good but still good a second year. And that's based
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  Speaker 1: coaching staff, coaching staff turnover to right. So the last
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  Speaker 1: thing that comes for young players, especially at the quarterback
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  Speaker 1: position is consistency.
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  Speaker 2: That was a good take by you. Thank you, You're welcome. Hello, everybody,
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  Speaker 2: it's Evan Lazar, It's Alex Bart. That's the nice thing
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  Speaker 2: I've said to you in a while.
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  Speaker 1: So especially after that, like usually the opening segment is
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  Speaker 1: least was arguing.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true, that's one hundred percent true. Hello everybody.
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  Speaker 2: I hope you all are doing well. On this fine Wednesday,
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  Speaker 2: we're an hour earlier than usual because head coach Mike
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  Speaker 2: Rabel is going to talk to the media for the
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  Speaker 2: first time since the Patriots set their initial roster yesterday
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  Speaker 2: at about one point thirty this afternoon, and as the
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  Speaker 2: very big j's at Alex and I, we'd like to
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  Speaker 2: attend that press conference and tell you guys what's going
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  Speaker 2: on there, So we push to show up here a
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  Speaker 2: little bit of an hour early. We think, just one
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  Speaker 2: more house keeping thing, and don't hoe me to this
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  Speaker 2: because things always change and it's in flux. But we
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  Speaker 2: think that we're going to be tend to noon on
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  Speaker 2: Wednesdays in season. We're pretty sure that that's going to
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  Speaker 2: be a safe time for us to do the show with,
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  Speaker 2: Like you know, our media obligations. We do have day jobs,
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  Speaker 2: as I like to say, which is covering this team,
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  Speaker 2: so we do have to do those things. So tend
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  Speaker 2: to noon on Wednesdays will be the live show. Of course,
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  Speaker 2: you can listen to Cash twenty two wherever you get
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  Speaker 2: your podcasts and on YouTube and on Patriots dot com
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  Speaker 2: anytime on demand. But if you want to listen to
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  Speaker 2: us live, then tend to to moving or tend to noon,
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  Speaker 2: excuse me. Moving forward before Patriots Unfiltered will most likely
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  Speaker 2: be our in season permanent times, which is good. I'm
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  Speaker 2: glad we're gonna finally settle the show down here a
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  Speaker 2: little bit and get a permanent slot going. So with
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  Speaker 2: all that out of the way, now, Alex, we are
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  Speaker 2: going to talk about the Patriots initial roster. I love
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  Speaker 2: how we have to throw that caveat in there though,
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  Speaker 2: that it's in flux. You know, it's fluid like anything
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  Speaker 2: could change at any time, So we'll throw that caveat
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  Speaker 2: in there. I do want to hit a little bit
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  Speaker 2: on practice squad and Waiver Wire, but I'm hoping that
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  Speaker 2: we might actually have the Waiver Wire live on the
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  Speaker 2: show in the second hour, so I don't want to
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  Speaker 2: do too much of that early on.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna say it's not date the first hour.
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  Speaker 2: Right because another you know inside baseball term, we want
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  Speaker 2: evergreen content here on the Catch twenty two podcasts. So
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  Speaker 2: if we give our waiver Wire takes and then at
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  Speaker 2: twelve oh five we find out what the waiver Wire
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  Speaker 2: claims were, then that whole segment is for not. So
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  Speaker 2: what we're gonna do is we're gonna talk about the roster,
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  Speaker 2: of course, and the initial roster as it current stands
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  Speaker 2: at eleven am this morning, and I have some takes
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  Speaker 2: to some facilitation points here I want. I want to
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  Speaker 2: tee you up on Alex and we can discuss, but
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  Speaker 2: I also want to start with just my opening take
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  Speaker 2: or my big picture takeaway about this team. And I
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  Speaker 2: know there's a lot of conversations about a lack of
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  Speaker 2: depth across the roster, and I hear all of those things,
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  Speaker 2: But I think the bigger takeaway that I had from
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  Speaker 2: this cutdown day is there was a lot of rumors
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  Speaker 2: about guys potentially being traded, name players, name brand players
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  Speaker 2: that we know of. Kyle Dugger, Anthony Jennings, Kendrick Bourne,
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  Speaker 2: you know, players like that that were in trade rumors,
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  Speaker 2: even some rumors saying that they could just possibly be
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  Speaker 2: cut in some instances. You know, Jennings has been pretty
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  Speaker 2: steadily running with like the two's mean, you know, at
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  Speaker 2: times maybe the threes playing laid into preseason games. Same
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  Speaker 2: thing for Kyle Dugger. Kendrick Bourne hasn't practiced to August
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  Speaker 2: one since the end stadium practice when he got rolled
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  Speaker 2: up on in that practice, so he hasn't participated in
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  Speaker 2: camp much. But my big takeaway from all of this
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  Speaker 2: and the Patriots holding on to all these players for
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  Speaker 2: now is that they were probably they're probably one off
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  Speaker 2: season away from truly turning over the roster. So they've
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  Speaker 2: turned over roughly somewhere around forty five percent of the
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  Speaker 2: roster in one offseason. I think they have twenty five
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  Speaker 2: new players. Twenty five players they acquired in the twenty
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  Speaker 2: twenty five off season that were not on the team
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  Speaker 2: previously are now on the roster currently. So that includes rookies,
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  Speaker 2: That includes a couple of u DFAs rookie draft picks,
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  Speaker 2: udfas agent signings, the whole gamut. So at some point
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  Speaker 2: in time, probably next offseason, but maybe even beyond that,
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  Speaker 2: Mike Rable will probably get his guys truly in here
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  Speaker 2: in terms of schematic fits and guys that are going
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  Speaker 2: to play their roles and play their positions the way
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  Speaker 2: that Rabel is envisioning, especially on defense in terms of
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  Speaker 2: like Anthony Jennings, Sturdy Edgesetter, probably not the first step explosiveness,
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  Speaker 2: get off pass rusher that they're looking for in this defense.
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  Speaker 2: Kyle Dugger hybrid safety, best to use it in the box,
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  Speaker 2: probably not the quarters, and a deep safety type that
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  Speaker 2: they're looking for right now at this point. But if
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  Speaker 2: you had started to take those players off the team,
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  Speaker 2: whether it was because of contract, scheme, fit, whatever the
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  Speaker 2: case may be, all these conversations that people are having
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  Speaker 2: about the lack of depth, to me, that was when
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  Speaker 2: the depth was going to get dangerously thin. Is if
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  Speaker 2: you start stripping away all these Belichick holdovers, Yeah, prematurely,
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  Speaker 2: and so I think they wisely are hanging on to
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  Speaker 2: these players.
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  Speaker 3: Now.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe part of it is the trademarket wasn't there and
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  Speaker 2: all that good stuff. But the way I look at
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  Speaker 2: it is, if you had to play Anthony Jennings, Let's
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  Speaker 2: say there's injuries at edge rusher, they lose Chase On,
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  Speaker 2: they lose Landry or Keyon White, and you have to
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  Speaker 2: put Anthony Jennings in the rotation. Anthony Jennings an NFL player,
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  Speaker 2: He's a starting caliber edge setter, So I feel okay
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  Speaker 2: with having him out there. I feel okay if he's
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  Speaker 2: right healthy. You know he's healthy physically healthy, mentally. Right
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  Speaker 2: with Kyle dugger I feel good about Kyle Duggar playing
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  Speaker 2: as an injury replacement, spot starter type safety or maybe
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  Speaker 2: even a full time player if it starts to click
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  Speaker 2: for him. So it would have been a little bit
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  Speaker 2: hasty in my opinion, to move on from those guys now. Now,
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  Speaker 2: next offseason, you'll have another free agency class, you'll have
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  Speaker 2: another draft class, and maybe they get pushed off the
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  Speaker 2: roster at that point. But you do it now, I
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  Speaker 2: think you were going to be flirting with a dangerously
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  Speaker 2: thin defense, especially, so I understand why they held on
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  Speaker 2: to those guys.
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  Speaker 1: I mean the offensive line too. Obviously they cut some
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  Speaker 1: Belichick guys, but holding on a guy like Kayden Wallace
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  Speaker 1: right or for Darius I guess was Vderian low Belichick
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  Speaker 1: I was here in twenty three pre rapul guys, I
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  Speaker 1: guess would be a better way to say it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but no, I I think it's a good point. The
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  Speaker 1: roster turnover they've already had is tremendous. The roster turnover
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  Speaker 1: that they've had, like a high number going back through
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  Speaker 1: the last few years and looking at what teams have done,
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  Speaker 1: A high number from week eighteen to week one is
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  Speaker 1: like forty percent. And youo to them, what at twenty
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  Speaker 1: five twenty five new guys, So that that's almost fifty
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  Speaker 1: and it will that number will prop might exceed fifty
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  Speaker 1: percent by the time we get done, you know, twelve
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  Speaker 1: o'clock can today and we get those waiver claims. So
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  Speaker 1: if you're looking for more, if you want to, you know,
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  Speaker 1: parse individual players, should they have kept, you know, could
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  Speaker 1: they have I r Kendrick Bourne yesterday and maybe kept
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  Speaker 1: Braden Swinton if they believed in him, or was a
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  Speaker 1: chance they could there was a chance that could have
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  Speaker 1: held on to you know, got like Marcus, so I
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  Speaker 1: know ask for his release. My guesses, that's depth related.
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  Speaker 2: Sorry, twenty three new guys.
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  Speaker 1: Twenty three new guys. Okay, so close enough, and they
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  Speaker 1: need to get to twenty What don't make me do
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  Speaker 1: math on the air? Half fifty three is twenty five
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  Speaker 1: or half a fifty to twenty five to two B
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  Speaker 1: twenty six, so they basically get to twenty seven to
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  Speaker 1: twenty eight and they're at twenty three.
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  Speaker 2: They're at twenty three, so that's basically forty four three percent.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so five more guys woul put in a fifty percent,
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  Speaker 1: which would be again like forty five. Forty is usually
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  Speaker 1: high forty flat, and they're at forty five. But to
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  Speaker 1: your point, you look at next year one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight.
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  Speaker 1: They have ten draft picks next year, and they've been
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  Speaker 1: keeping a lot of their draft picks that they're going
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  Speaker 1: to not have as much flexibility with free agency next
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  Speaker 1: year capwise, but they will still have the ability to
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  Speaker 1: add I mean, the last Belichick, the last player who
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  Speaker 1: played for Belichick. And it's nothing against the guys Belichick
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  Speaker 1: brought into Oh no, but Bill draft Gonzalez. Gonzalez is
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  Speaker 1: gonna be heear so beyond Gonzales, like is Barmore and Barmore,
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  Speaker 1: there's gonna be significant turnover. I mean, the turnover from
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  Speaker 1: Belichicks last year is going to hit eighty five ninety percent,
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  Speaker 1: I think relatively soon.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I would agree with that.
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  Speaker 1: Because even of those and I guess they cut a
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  Speaker 1: lot of the Mayo guys, especially that draft, but even
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  Speaker 1: factoring in the Mayo guys from where they were just
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  Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, Like there's no more super
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  Speaker 1: Bowl winners here. That was an understated I don't call
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  Speaker 1: the milestone, but like checkpoint, Yeah, there's no more guys here.
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  Speaker 1: They won a super Bowl here. That is a significant
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  Speaker 1: turnover for how much they won. And I mean, maybe
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  Speaker 1: I want to say it because we were it was
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  Speaker 1: our first year twenty eighteen. It's a long time ago
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  Speaker 1: in the NFL, but it's also not that long ago.
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  Speaker 1: Like the turnover they've already done is significant. They need
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  Speaker 1: more and more will happen. We said this back in January,
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  Speaker 1: even they were not going to fix everything they needed
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  Speaker 1: to fix in one off season is unrealistic. There's simply
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  Speaker 1: too much to do. They took a good chunk out
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  Speaker 1: of it though this offseason.
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  Speaker 2: That's the way I look at it is it was
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  Speaker 2: too much to do to turn over the entire roster
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  Speaker 2: and rid yourself of all the Belichick holdovers that still exist.
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  Speaker 2: And what I keep saying on defense specifically, because that's
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  Speaker 2: really where the biggest scheme change is happening, right is
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  Speaker 2: what's going on on defense where they're running an entirely
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  Speaker 2: new defense compared to what they were doing by bringing
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  Speaker 2: McDaniels back. They they are kind of outside of the
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  Speaker 2: a VP year. They're kind of running the same offense
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  Speaker 2: that they were running. But you know what, the majority of.
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  Speaker 1: Belichi weired out a lot of the offense the last
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  Speaker 1: couple of years ago to go to that West Coast
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  Speaker 1: thing they were running with everybody else.
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  Speaker 2: They did in some spots. Yeah, but I would still.
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  Speaker 1: Say, who's still here offensively from twenty one born and
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  Speaker 1: I mean he could Hunter Henry Andre Andre mike on WINU. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: that's four players. It's not that many.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I still feel as though the carryover offensively
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  Speaker 2: is more significant than the carryovers grammatically from a defensive standpoint.
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  Speaker 1: To what Josh was doing. Yes, but it's not like
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  Speaker 1: you have this through line of guys who were just
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  Speaker 1: running that stuff the whole time. You have a lot
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  Speaker 1: of guys who in between when they tried to run
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  Speaker 1: the other stuff, were brought in.
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  Speaker 2: But you even have guys that are coming in that
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  Speaker 2: were in similar systems, like Matt Collins. Well, so I
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  Speaker 2: guess the fon digs with Brian David.
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  Speaker 1: But that's kind of my point. They turned it over
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  Speaker 1: because they moved on from a lot of those guys
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  Speaker 1: that they brought in to run the a VP or
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  Speaker 1: the Patricia whatever bill O'Brien was running like that offense.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well I would say that Patricia bill O'Brien offense
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  Speaker 2: was this offense, but.
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  Speaker 1: I thought Patricia's more West Coast. He tried to, he
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  Speaker 1: tried whatever. Okay, that thing was beyond definition.
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  Speaker 2: I think that that's my biggest takeaways. I would have
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  Speaker 2: been I would have been disappointed if they had salary
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  Speaker 2: dumped Kyle Duggar or salary dumped Afrety Jags. Now, if
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  Speaker 2: a teammate come out and offered you legitimate draft capital
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  Speaker 2: for Kyle dugger sure, go ahead and do it, But
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  Speaker 2: I just think, like I said earlier, I think you
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  Speaker 2: start to get dangerously thin if you're just moving on
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  Speaker 2: these from these players, because Kyle Dugger is due ten
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  Speaker 2: million dollars this season, and he's gonna be your third
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  Speaker 2: or four safety, so it's just an expensive backup at
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  Speaker 2: that point. I like the fact that they're holding their
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  Speaker 2: water on those players. I think it's the right thing
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  Speaker 2: to do, and I agree that they have dip thatches.
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  Speaker 2: We've talked about the depth issues all summer long. Like,
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  Speaker 2: I don't think that this is a new thing on
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  Speaker 2: this show or a new thing on Patriots Unfiltered. We've
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  Speaker 2: been highlighting areas where they're thin all summer long. But
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  Speaker 2: I also don't think it's very surprising as a result
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  Speaker 2: that they're We look at the roster and all of
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  Speaker 2: a sudden, it's a thin roster. Yeah, Like we kind
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  Speaker 2: of knew that they won four games over the last
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  Speaker 2: two years, eight games combined for two seasons, you're gonna
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  Speaker 2: have a pretty thin roster and draft picks and draft
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  Speaker 2: classes that didn't work out. If that's you win four
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  Speaker 2: games back to back seasons, you're gonna have a lot
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  Speaker 2: of personnel moves that didn't work out. That that's just
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  Speaker 2: the bottom line. So I wonder, in all seriousness, like
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  Speaker 2: if you had looked at I know this is the
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  Speaker 2: example we always go to, but I'm just gonna go
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  Speaker 2: to it anyway, if you looked at the Commander's roster
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  Speaker 2: at this time last year, Yeah, would you really be
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  Speaker 2: looking at that roster and being like, Wow, one through
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  Speaker 2: fifty three, this team is stacked. No, Like, they had
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  Speaker 2: the exact.
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  Speaker 1: Same thing where they were a little deeper.
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  Speaker 2: They had their free agency class, they had their draft class,
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  Speaker 2: and the difference was they had a coaching staff that
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  Speaker 2: got them back to level and then they had a
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  Speaker 2: rookie quarterback who was outstanding in Jaden Daniels that that
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  Speaker 2: elevated them to that next level. I think the Patriots
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  Speaker 2: are still on track to be in a similar spot.
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  Speaker 2: I really do, to Washington to some of the other
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  Speaker 2: teams that have done that. Now, that's not to say
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  Speaker 2: they're gonna go out there and win twelve games. I
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  Speaker 2: think the Commanders won twelve games last year. That I
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  Speaker 2: don't know if that's gonna happen. But I still look
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  Speaker 2: at this team and think that they're in the same
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  Speaker 2: spot that I thought they were in six weeks ago. Like,
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  Speaker 2: I don't necessarily think I learned any new information, So
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  Speaker 2: that that was my big picture tape yet any other
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  Speaker 2: big picture thoughts or should we move on to some
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  Speaker 2: of the specifics.
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  Speaker 1: That's pretty much it.
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  Speaker 2: So I have like eight or nine things here on
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  Speaker 2: my list that we can get to over the next
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  Speaker 2: hour or so, and then we'll we'll open up the
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  Speaker 2: calls and emails as well, and hopefully, like I said,
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  Speaker 2: we'll get the waiver claims. Waivers do have until noon
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  Speaker 2: today to submit waiver claims, and typically speaking, those come
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  Speaker 2: out really quickly, you know, the Big Jay's Albert Breer,
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  Speaker 2: Tom Pellisero, somebody will tweet them out like twelve O five,
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  Speaker 2: twelve ten. Usually we have those. So the number one
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  Speaker 2: thing on my list, though, alex is I think the
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  Speaker 2: number one thing on everybody everybody's list. Eight wide receivers.
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  Speaker 2: It's a big number. Now, I should say Kansas City
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  Speaker 2: carried eight wide receivers too, So maybe this is just
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  Speaker 2: becoming a little bit more normal. I think six became
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  Speaker 2: normal maybe, like in the last three to five years,
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  Speaker 2: they've started gravitating more towards six especially if you have
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  Speaker 2: like returners and gunners and guys that are contributing on
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  Speaker 2: special teams at the position. So there are a few
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  Speaker 2: teams that carried eight, the bigger you know down the
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  Speaker 2: depth chart here. We knew that they were going to
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  Speaker 2: keep Digs, Pop, Booty Hollins, Kyle Williams, those guys were
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  Speaker 2: all gonna be here. Those five were going to be here.
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  Speaker 2: So the fact that Baker, Chisholm, Kendrick Bourne are all
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  Speaker 2: here and in Bourne's case, are starting the season on
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  Speaker 2: the active roster, I think is a little bit of
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  Speaker 2: a surprise. I had them at seven with Bourne on
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  Speaker 2: IR and they didn't go the IR route with Kendrick Bourne.
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  Speaker 1: Well, just surprising because like I don't think, I know
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  Speaker 1: some people had suggested just Bourne get moved to IR today.
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  Speaker 1: That would just be a little surprising because they had
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  Speaker 1: an extra spot to do it yesterday that you can't
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  Speaker 1: take it with you. So I think all eight can
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  Speaker 1: start the season. I don't think they all will. You know, Baker,
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  Speaker 1: maybe we should just count him as a special teamer.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe we shouldn't count him as a wide receiver. So
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  Speaker 1: now you're back to seven, Does that mean Bourne's not
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  Speaker 1: dressing on game day is maybe Eft and Chisholm banged
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  Speaker 1: up to the point where he's not gonna be able
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  Speaker 1: to go right away, but they didn't want to put
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  Speaker 1: him on IR so he doesn't miss too much time.
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  Speaker 1: So okay, now you really are at six with Bourn
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  Speaker 1: like is that how it works? But I still think
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  Speaker 1: another move is coming from one of those guys. Maybe
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  Speaker 1: they didn't want to expose Baker to the initial round
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  Speaker 1: of waivers. Sometimes teams will do that where we don't
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  Speaker 1: want to expose him in the big one, but you
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  Speaker 1: know the because yesterday was the big waiver period, or
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: yesterday and today, but now you're gonna have this whole
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: other round of waivers because today teams are gonna claim players, right, Okay,
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: now they need a wave players to get the room
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: for they claimed, and then that's a second wave, and
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: then it's the third wave, and it gets smaller as
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: you go. So sometimes teams may look at it and say,
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: we don't want to expose this guy to the first
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: round of waivers. When teams are more open to the
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: idea of we're gonna put in claims and we're fine
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: cutting players and blah, blah blah. Okay, let's get to Thursday,
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: let's get to Friday. It's a little more settled. We've
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: added some guys when you to open up a spot.
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: Now we're a little more comfortable waving Jevon Baby getting
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: him on the practice squad because other teams are more
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: settled and where they're at.
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a fair point. I think with eft and
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: Chisholm just starting there, I wouldn't be totally shocked Iffton
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: Chishm's a healthy scratch for a good portion of the
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: first half of the season, because really he's your backup
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: slot and probably your backup punt returner. But as long
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: as Marcus Jones is healthy, he's gonna be returning punts,
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: And as long as Pob Douglass and Stefan Diggs are healthy,
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: they're gonna be You're starting Z and you're starting slot receiver.
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: And then Kyle Williams is also here, and he's kind
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: of maybe got a chance to be a little bit
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: of both of those things as well, especially playing at
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: the Z spot. So at the end of the day,
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: I don't know if there's one hundred per game day
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: role immediately for Efton Chisholm because of the depth there,
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: And this is no different in a lot of ways
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: than like what Edelman experienced with Wes Welker early on.
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: Like it's not all that different than those different, you
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: know scenarios where a guy like Edelman really took Edelman
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: like three or four years until he got full time
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: playing time because of Wes Welker. So I'm not saying
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: that Pop Douglas is as good as Wes Welker, but
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: I think it's very clear that Pop Douglas is your
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: starting slot and there's really no argument there from anybody.
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: So Efton Chisholm is not a coverage player on special teams.
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: He's not gonna be covering kicks, I don't think on
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: special teams, whereas Javon Baker is going to be covering kicks.
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: So you could realistically see Javon Baker on three or
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: four different units on special teams, Wherefton Chishom's value on
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: special teams is really just on punt return, which is
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: he's not even the number one punt returner on the team.
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: So I could definitely see eft And Chisholm being a
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: healthy scratch with Javon Baker maybe having a game day
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: roll on special teams, But like you said that, then
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: there that leaves Kendrick Bourne. And my whole thing with
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: IR with Kendrick Bourne is that this is a nice
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: stash player where you know he's an NFL receiver. You
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: know he can play in this offense, did it in
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty one and in a pinch, if you have
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: a run of injuries that wide receiver, if Digs goes down,
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: if Pop goes down, I Booty goes down, if any
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: of those guys get hurt, then you have a veteran,
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: experienced receiver in Kendrick Bourne that you can activate off
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: injured reserve and hopefully it doesn't miss a beat. But
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: having him on the roster, I don't know what his
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: game day role is like, are you going to really
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: have seven? Like I can talk like I said, I
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: can talk myself into Chisholm not being active on game
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: day to start, but I don't know how you're gonna
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: keep boring anchism as healthy scratches or a healthy scratch
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: a veteran like Kendrick Born. That's a tough spot.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: Unless unless they have a role form that we just
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: didn't see in camp because he was hurt.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess, I just I've named those five guys
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: off the top. But you're gonna want all five of
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: those guys to play. You're gonna want to you know,
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: you're gonna have four of those guys playing, and Dig's
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: Booty Hollins and Pop and then you want to leave
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: the door cracked open for Kyle Williams if he starts
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: to make a push to have opportunities to play. So
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: it'd be interesting to see how they handle that on
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: game day and how they go about that. Anything else
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: on the eight wide receiver is just a big number.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: It just I don't know if there's really much. I
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: just I don't know.
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: Are they keeping born just as depth. Maybe the idea is, Okay,
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: you're gonna have the five guys that are gonna play.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: Chishm's banged up, but we don't want to put him
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: on ir somebody else gets hurt. Kendrick Bourne slides in,
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: and it's just they didn't want to wait if Chishm's
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: banged up, maybe they want them available for the first one.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: Well, it's kind of like I take off the top
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: about the defensive guys, like Kendrick Bourne's one of your
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: best fifty three players. Yeah, and the way that they
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: built this entire roster out, it does feel like that's
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: just the path that they went down was just who
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: were the best fifty three guys in training camp, because
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: they do have some odd position like thresholds, like in
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: terms of positions, like eight wide receivers is a little
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: bit odd. They only kept five corners, They only kept
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: four true inside linebackers or off ball linebackers, so they
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: did kind of finagle the roster a little bit in
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: terms of the minimums at each position. So maybe that
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: that is the path that they just said, Hey, Kendrick
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: Burden's a good player, Like I don't know if he's
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: gonna play, I don't know if he's a trade candidate,
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: I don't know, but he's a good enough player to
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: make our team right now.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: No, it felt like a big day for the concept
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: of the at large roster spots.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you nailed that. Did you get how many did
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: you get? Did you get it right.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: With the at large or the ross projection? Let me see,
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: I didn't even look.
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're in the roster projection.
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: I guess, well, because the roster projection I did week one.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: I didn't do the initial roster, okay, so I have
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: liked the TVD guys on there. We'll know soon. So
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: I had Here are the nineteen guys I had for
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: ten spots and tended to make it Born Baker, Low,
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: Wallace Jennings, Elijah Ponder, Truman Jones didn't make it right, No,
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: Kyle Dougart del Pettis. So eight of my ten bubble
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: guys made it. With Tavai on I R there you go,
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: all right, So who are the bubble guys? Who are
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: the guys not on the bubble that made it? There'd
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: have to be two more guys. I don't know.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: Let's go to the second one here.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: Maybe I just counted wrong.
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: So this one I just called biggest surprises. I don't
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: think there were any major surprises. But I think the
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: one surprise that caught everybody's eye was Brandon Swinson getting
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: h released, getting waved fifth round pick. I feel like
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: I talked about we talked about this a little bit,
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: that he was having a quiet summer. I wish I
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: kind of had hammered it home a little bit more.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: I'm not overly shocked that they if they were just
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: evaluating camp, and they were all things created equal across
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: a board. Who had the better camp, Who were the
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: best fifty three guys on the roster? Like I just mentioned,
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: I'm not overly shocked that Braden Swinson didn't make the team.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: I didn't think he had a really I didn't think
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: he really stood out in camp. I'm not gonna sit
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: here and say you had a bad camp, because I
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: don't know, Like maybe he was doing things that I
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: you know, little details and things like that, maybe he
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: was doing those correctly. Doesn't seem like it, though. And
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: I didn't think that his production was overly eye catching either.
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: I had a couple hurries in Minnesota in the in
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: the game, but it was in the fourth quarter of
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: a preseason game against guys that weren't going to make
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: the roster for the Vikings either. I never thought that
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: Braden Switson really made any positive momentum. I didn't necessarily
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: think I saw a ton of flashes. I actually thought
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: in a lot of ways. Obviously ponder, but I think
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: Truman Jones almost showed a little bit more in the
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: preseason and in training camp than Braiden Swinson. The other
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: angle with Braden Swinson was there was some draft scuttle
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: but but around the time that he was drafted, I
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: think we had we had somebody on. Maybe Dane Brugler
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: mentioned it like that some teams were a little bit
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: if he on Braiden Swinson in terms of his football
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: character and things like that. So there's a possibility that
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: maybe they look at it and say, twenty teams didn't
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: even have him on their draft board, so maybe he
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: does make it through waivers. Are you that surprised that
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: Braden Swinson got cut because I am not little.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: Bit just in the turn like, yeah, he didn't really
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: have a super impactful summer, but it was also okay,
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: they have, you know, bit round pick. He was always
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: kind of a project player. Do they keep him around
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: as a developmental player if you're going just off the
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: production this summer, he wasn't one of their fifty three
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: best players. I thought they might hang on to him
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: for the upside. But that's that's why it wasn't overly shocking.
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: I was a little surprised about Truman Jones as well,
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: like you said, because he was playing core special teams
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: role as well. He's somebody I would think is going
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: to be back here on the practice squad if he
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: doesn't get claimed.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a fair point. I just like I said,
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: I didn't really I was. I was really high on
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: Braden Swinson when they drafted him. Like I will fully
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: admit that. I guess I missed on that one, if
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: we want to say it already, I don't know. It's
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: a little early. Still even though he got cut, you know,
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: he could always catch on with another team or practice
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: squad and eventually make a you know, an impact in
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: his career in the NFL. It's the book is not
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: closed certainly on Braden Swinson's career. But I was high
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: on the pick when they made it, especially where they
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: got him in that fifth round. I think a lot
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: of people in the draft community and the media had
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: him valued a lot higher than the fifth round, like
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: a top one hundred player, probably like an end of
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: the top one hundred, you know, somewhere in that seventy
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: five to one hundred range, but certainly a guy that
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: a lot of people thought was going to go ended
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: Day two, early day three. Some of the things that
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: we heard after the draft about him off the field
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: or his football character. I think pushed him to the
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: fifth round. Yeah, but he had talent of a third
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: round pick, I would say, so I am surprised that
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: it didn't happen. But at the same time, it didn't happen.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: It never he never got any momentum going. I never
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: thought that he flashed consistently in the practices or in
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: the game. So I'm not overly shocked if we're just
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: evaluating it now. I am a little bit surprised that
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: they gave up on a fifth round pick and didn't
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: just give him some leeway and a chance.
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: That's surprise was if there was one.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, But I would also put like I've seen a
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: lot of like, you know, bust, like waste of a pick.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: They drafted him like one hundred and forty sixth overall.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: It wasn't like they drafted him forty sixth overall. It
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: was Yeah, he was a fifth round pick. He was
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: a Day three guy. Yes, he had some buzz and
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: he had some hype coming into the draft, but let's
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: not get over his zealous and started acting like they
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: like cut a second round pick in his rookie season.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: That's not what happened here. So Braden Swinson was probably
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: the biggest. Is there any other surprises to you? I
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: thought that really this was a pretty unsurprising honestly.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, you're under the kickers. We'll get to the kickers, okay.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: I it wasn't a surprise to me. I think it
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: came as a surprise to many. I understand why people
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: are surprised. It was something where how much of a
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: competition was it really right where we they kind of
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: started dropping the hands the last couple weeks, I guess
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: said we'll get to the kickers, but we.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: Can get to the kickers now.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: I just think that's the other thing that qualifies as
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: a surprise. On a day that it was finally, I
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: think we said off the air like he was one
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: of the most eventful cutdown days we've covered, even though
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: not much happened.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: It was just eight wide receivers and there was a
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: bunch going on.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of nothing.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: We'll ever top to Cam Newton day when Quick Little
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: story time. We were up because it was during COVID,
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: so like me, there were only certain areas of the
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: media could work whatever, So we were up in like
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: the game day press box. It was just me and you.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: I don't remember why we were up there.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: Something.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: Oh, we were going to record something for Cel and
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: Ass and we're waiting on the cuts and it was
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: a super uneventful. I think they cut like Miles Bryant
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: or somebody like, oh, Miles Bryant, Like that's I thought
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: he'd make the team. Evan goes to the bathroom. I
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: see the tweet. Jim McBride topprocate, right, I see the tweet.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: Evan comes back. How do you go to the bathroom
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: and they cut Cam Newton. You didn't believe me for like,
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: I had to actually show you the tweet. You thought
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: I was screwing with you. Yeah, that was an interesting day.
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: But with the kickers, so part of Romo was the
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: better field goal kicker this summer. It was hit on
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: ninety I think it was ninety one percent of his kicks.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: If he round up, it was ninety points, something like
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: ninety one percent of his kicks, which is a high number,
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: Like that's a significant number. Borgalis was around eighty four percent.
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: Now he attempted I think twelve more kicks. Ten twelve
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: more kicks. I can pull numbers up on my phone
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: in a second. Ten twelve more kicks than Romo did
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: because down the stretch there in Minnesota the last week
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: the Giants game, they were giving him everything and that's
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: what made it look like he was the starter. So
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: if Romo hit more of his kicks, why did they
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: go with Borgalis. There's a couple of reasons I can
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: think of. I don't know for sure. You know, we'll
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: try to ask about it today. Part of it is,
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: I know some people roll their eyes that they were
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: loyal to the draft pick. It might be out of it,
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: but it can also be like the upside. Yeah, Borgoalis
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: was a better kicker in college, and I know Romo's young,
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: but Borgallis was better kicker in college than Romo was.
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: You see a ceiling with There is more of a
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: ceiling with Borgolis than there is with Romo. The other thing,
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: and we had talked about this a few weeks ago.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: Borgalis did appear to be the better kickoff kicker. And
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: that's not insignificant. We can't really qualify that, quantify that,
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: thank you the way we do. Okay, Well, this guy
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: hit X number of field? Was this guy hit X number?
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: But just based on what they were running and the
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: results and how the coaching staff seem to look at it,
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: react to different kicks and things like that. Borgalis seemed
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: like the better kickoff kicker, which does matter, so odds
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: are It's probably a combination of all of those things.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: I understand why people are surprised by that. It'd be great,
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: right if they can get Romo back on the practice squad.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: Is insurance. I don't know how realistic that is through waivers.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: He has to go through waivers. The Dolphins need a kicker.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: I know a couple of other teams with the Dolphins stand out.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: Jason Sanders report yesterday is banged up, but that would
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: be my guest. I know that's something that's that surprised
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: a lot of people. It always looked like Borgolis is
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: going to win the competition in terms of the usage
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: the last two Not always, but like the last two
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: three weeks, they were using Borgolis like he was a
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: starting kicker. They weren't operating like it was a competition.
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: You want to say, the numbers suggested differently. The numbers
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: suggested differently. You're not wrong, But if we were just
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: playing a predictive game, this is what it always looked like.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: So I I have a take and I have a
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: question for you on this. So the first thing with uh,
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: like my take on it is that they probably gave
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: up on Chad Ryland a little too quickly, and I
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: know that that wasn't verable and it's a little bit Yeah.
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: That's also did they give up on him too quickly
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: or did he ultimately just need a change of scenery.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: Maybe, But I guess my point is is not necessarily
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: specifically about the chat Ryan situation. Yeah, but I do
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: think kickers in general, for some kickers, it does take
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: some time too. There is a develop in the NFL.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: It's obviously a very between the ears kind of position,
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: and there's a lot more pressure kicking in the NFL
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: than there is kicking in college.
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: And it's not a position where you want to be patient, right.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: You don't really want to go through growing pains like
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: with the quarterback. The reward is so high and there's
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: so few good quarterbacks. You go through the growing pains
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: with the kicker. You may not want to do that,
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: but there is a history of kickers finding success after
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: struggling his rookies. By the waygalis this is everything practice
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: games forty six of fifty five Parker. Romo was thirty
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: nine of forty three, and three of those formases all
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: came on one day.
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: So I just wonder if maybe they said it was
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: close enough between Borgoalis and Romo. We still trust our
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: evaluation on Borgalis that he has a higher ceiling. So yeah,
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: we might have to live with some growing pains early on,
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: but we're going to go with it. Like, for example,
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: the fifty seven yarder that he missed, uh that was
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: against Minnesota, right or was the Giants, I don't know,
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: honing together he missed a fifty seven yard field goal
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: in the preseason and watching it happen live and then
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: I believe Rabel confirmed this afterwards. That was more of
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: an operational issue.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: So there was that angle to Borgals had a couple
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: misses that were on bad snaps and bad.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: Holes and they were like laid on the field and
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: maybe there was some confusion about which guy was kicking
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: or something like that, so they were laid on the
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: field and then they basically had to like put the
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: ball down with like one second on the play clock,
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: snap the football, get the ball off, and kick the ball.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: And it was a shank. It wasn't close, but maybe
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: they chalked that one up to just bad operation. Yeah,
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: and then the forty nine yarder that he missed, maybe
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: that one was a real miss. But my point is
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: is that you drafted the guy. You spent a six
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: round pick on the guy. You obviously saw something in
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: him in terms of a ceiling as a draft pick
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: that if it was gonna be close enough between him
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: and Parker Romo, it probably it made sense to go
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: with the guy that you think has the higher ceiling.
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: And now we'll see, we'll see what happens. You know,
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: this is kicking, it's kind of it's volatile. We'll see
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: where this goes. Now, my other question for you was,
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: so Romo kicked in the Vikings game, he did not
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: kick in the Giants game. Right now, is there any
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: chance that they are trying to hide Parker room certainly?
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: That was the other takeaway that I had was maybe
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: they know Parker rome was an NFL kicker, and by
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: not having him kick in the preseason finale, or at
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: least exposing him to fewer He didn't kick at all
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: in the Minnesota joint practices either. They did one extended
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: kicking period and it was all Borgalis and the joint
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: practices in Minnesota as well. So I just wonder if
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: maybe there was a little bit too much I know
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: it's funny to say kicker hype, but like there was
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: maybe a little bit too much hype about how good
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: Parker Romo looked this summer, coming from people like us
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: in the media that they wanted to that Belichick used
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: to do this all the time. He wanted to hide him.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: So that hopefully here today, in an hour or so,
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: we'll find out that he made it through wave half
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: an hour and if he made it through waivers and.
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's no, I think there's absolutely a chance at that.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: Would you so you would keep Barcaromo on the practice
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: squad if you could? Yeah, And then if Borgoalos struggles,
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: Like how long of a leash do you give Borgols?
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: I mean there's you need a lot of context there,
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: like how bad is he missing? Is it? You know?
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: What are the I mean, it's pressure on the kid,
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: it's pressure on Borgos if you keep Romo. But if
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: he can't handle that pressure, I don't know if he's
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: an NFL kicker. I'm not saying you can't, but.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: Do you Uh, if he's he's missing, like Justin Roroster,
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: then maybe if he's hitting the porter potties, he'd probably
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: make the change sooner rather than later. Poor Justin ro Roster,
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: I feel like he's the He's the litmus test is
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: like are you better than hitting? And just so people realize,
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: like the goalposts are one place, the porter potties are
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: probably what fifteen to twenty yards to the left.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: If anybody's ever played the NCAA football video game, yes
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: they made the kicking hard because college kickers are wild.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: The like red miss is what you're talking.
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: Very video of it, I can understand. Yeah, not good.
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: All right, Moving on from the kickers, The other thing
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: I had on my list was obviously the offensive line battles.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: The roster battles on offensive line, and officially I think
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: we can close the book on the Cold Strange era
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: for the Patriots that that seems like that is over
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: with Cole Strange. I would say probably the most accomplished
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: or most experienced name to get cut by the Patriots yesterday,
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: a guy former first round pick, of course, a guy
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: that's made twenty nine starts in this league for the Patriots,
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: that left guard so Cayden Wallace and Ben Brown beat
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: out Cole Strange for the roster with the Patriots. Now,
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: Brown I feel like is more the guy that beat
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: him out because he's got that position flex on the interior,
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: can play center, he can play guard. It's kind of
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: the same thing as Cole Strange. And I think ultimately
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: what happened with Cole Strange is that Ben Brown's a
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: better center than he is and it didn't ever look
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: right or look great for Cole Strange at center, And
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: with the way the summer has gone for Garrett Bradberry,
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: I do think there's some uncertainty at the center position
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: that they said we might actually need our backup center,
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: and we feel better about Ben Brown as a backup
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: center than we feel about Cole Strange as a backup center.
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: And then you get to the Cayden Wallace of it all.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: Kayden Wallace has been repping with this coaching staff exclusively
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: at guard, but in a pinch, could he play tackle
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: and go out to write tackle if he absolutely had to?
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: Probably it's his college position. I wouldn't say it's quite
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: as on the level of a mic on WINNU, but
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: a similar idea of this guy's a natural guard, but
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: he's a tackle flex if needed, So he had that versatility.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: But Cole Strange no longer in the picture here with
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: the Patriots.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the writing was on the wall with just how
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: how his reps had been distributed. Would you bring him
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: back on the practice quadif he clears?
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: I don't think so, And I think it's mostly just
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: because I think for everybody a fresh.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: Start, change with you. But the writing was on the wall.
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: Once Ben Brown started playing guard and had that multi
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: positional versatility, I think that was it. You know, he
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: started camp as the starting center at the starting guard,
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: sorry left guard, and just never gained any traction there
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: so went backwards. Yeah, it went backwards. It just it's unfortunate.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: You know, he is the injury two years ago when
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: it started, when it felt like he had started building
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: some momentum. But that's just the NFL happens.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So Cole Strange out Wallace Brown, And I'm still
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: holding out a little bit of hope for Caden Wallace.
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: It's only a second year's third round pick last year.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: I don't know if that means that. My hope level
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: is like he's going to be a starter down the
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: line here, but there's still some value. And I know
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: you want more out of a third pick, especially on
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: the offensive line. But if he is a guard tackle
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: flex and he's a top backup in that role, that's
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: still a role, and that still has some value for
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: your roster, especially on a rookie contract. So I'm still
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: holding out a little bit of hope that with Wallace.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: He hasn't played a ton of guard in his career
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: going back to college, so it's a new position for him.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: If he can get guard down. I think there were
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: some flashes in the last preseason game of him, but
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: like the big thing with him on the preseason tape
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: was more just reps. It was like timing and body
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: control and balance up to the second level. Like he
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: was coming off his double teams a little too quickly.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: He wasn't hitting his landmarks on his climbs. But like
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: that stuff isn't physical, like he can't do it. It's coachable,
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: it's details, it's knowing the position, it's repping the position.
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: So physically, I thought, play strength wise, leverage wise, foot
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: speed wise, he could be a representative guard in the NFL. Now,
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: they just got to get him comfortable at guard right
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: and maybe there is something there with Caden Wallace, so
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: I'm holding out a little bit of hope with him.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: I'm glad they decided to go this route because frankly,
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: I had given up on Cold Strange. Oh, as everybody knows,
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: I never really was on Cole Strange to begin with,
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: but I really just didn't ever see it with Cole Strange.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: I never thought that Cole Strange showed well with the Patriots,
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: even going back, and I think there were some times
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: where people said, well, he's been good when he's been healthy.
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: I just never saw that with Strange, Like I think
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: he was always someone that was in over his head
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: here in the league as a starter. So that's the
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: offensive line, the five that I expect, I think we
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: all expect to see week one, Campbell, Wilson, Bradberry on
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: when new Moses. I think that group is pretty much solidified.
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: I know that Vrabels left the door open to kind
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: of a competition there on the interior, but I think
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: they're best off with Ben Brown being the top backup
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: at center and left guard and rolling with Wilson and
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: brad Berry going into the season. Do you agree with that?
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so next one on the list was a quarterback.
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of buzz, a lot of chatter in
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: the media sphere about them needing a third quarterback. Obviously
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: Ben Woolridge is not here anymore. It's just Josh Dobbs
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: and Drake May. I think that you that was what
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: was happening all along. I don't think there was any
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: real opportunity there to keep three quarterbacks on the roster.
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: You have the practice squad to carry quarterbacks nowadays, but
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: could you see them claiming or signing They're definitely gonna
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: sign a quarterback. Yeah, practice squad just to have the arm.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: But could you see them signing or claiming like a
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: legitimate backup competition for Josh Dobbs.
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: Maybe Now, there's not that many of those guys out there.
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: I know Tommy DeVito has been floated. Who are the
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: other quarterbacks?
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: I read a couple down the veto McCord, Zappi, Jay
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: Hayner got cut by New Orleans.
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: On j Cayner.
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: Those were sort of the guys that are kicking around.
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: It's not it's not very much.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: But I've heard another name that interests me in there.
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: I can't remember who was I've heard McCord's name a
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: little bit, and obviously everybody's on to veto you know
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: that that one's been popular.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: Mike White, Mike White. I like Mike White's arm, so
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: I would take Mike White.
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: He's always had an NFL arm.
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: Desmond ridder.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: Less, so on Desmond ridder.
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: Okay, Hendon Hooker, No, you know, you know, I'd be
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: in on Taylor el GERZMA. But he's a practice squad guy.
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I was watching the other day in the background
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: and I think he was with the Packers.
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, he had a good, good camp.
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah he was. I was like, oh, that's Alice's guy.
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: Did Taylor Heineke get waved?
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: Yes?
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: So Heinikey, there was who's there was one other who
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: would like started games? Who was it? Oh Trevor Simeon.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: So the point being like, if you're going to add
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: a guy to the fifty three, you're bringing in somebody
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: who's pushing Dobbs for the backup job. If they're worried
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: about Dobbs and what he did this summer, do.
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: You say they don't seem overly worried about it, to.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: Which they don't. But I'm saying like if they were
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: going to Ye. So I know these names aren't going
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: to get anybody excited, but Sime and de veto Heinike, Like,
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: I just don't think you're gonna do Zappy because of
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: what it would do with the fan base. But like,
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: those are the kind of guys to me, you're going
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: to add to the fifty three somebody who could actually
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: who started games in the league, who you could turn
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: to rare or maybe Snoop Huntley. I you know, if
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: he's the kind of guy, he's been around, he has
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: some experienced pro bowler, I think technically, right, technically, outside
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: of that, if you're just looking for a scout team quarterback,
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: you keep that guy in the practice squad. Yeah, Like
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: that's that's all that is.
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there's a chance. I don't know how
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: high of a chance there is, but I do think
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: there's a chance. Now we do this every year with
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: the with the practice squad versus in waivers and all
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: that good stuff, more guys make it through waivers than
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: you think.
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: I think, Uh, who's somebody's talking about it yesterday? Oh,
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: Phil Perry. Two percent of players get claimed, right.
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: Two percent of players get claimed, So a lot of
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: these veteran quarterbacks that we're talking about that have some
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: name value that you got, Like everybody knows who Tommy
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: DeVito is like that have some name recognition. You'd be
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: surprised that a lot of these guys that are gonna
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: end up going unclaimed and you can sign those guys
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: to practice squadse. Now there's no rules against.
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: That, You're right, But there's also a tipping point of
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: even if they don't get claimed, right, is de Vito
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: gonna get fifty you can still sign him to the
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: fifty three after they go and claimed, Like Defto's somebody
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: even if he doesn't get unclaimed, I would think is
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: going to have offers to be on a team's fifty
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: three man roster.
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: If he gets. If he goes unclaimed, though, then don't
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: I'd have to imagine that it would take an injury
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: or something like that to somebody's backup quarterback for him
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: to sign to a fifty three. Well why not just
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: claim them?
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: Uh?
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: You if you have someone with the contract you don't want.
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: Or isn't he on his rookie contract, I don't know.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: Maybe you only want to put in X number of
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: claims based on the way your roster is structured, and
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: then you get through claims, you can get everybody you want. Okay, well,
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: now we have a spot that's available, Like there's there
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: could be any number of reasons it happens. It happens
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: a lot, and because sometimes you'll hear of guys. I
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: actually there was just a story somebody just had a
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: post about Sam Ellinger did this. Sam Ellinger had fifty
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: three man roster offers but turned them down because he
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: wanted to go to what he felt was the best situation,
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: which was Denver's practice squad. He felt like that was
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: a better situation for him than somebody's fifty three, which
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: can happen. Like you can absolutely be in that spot
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: where you look at it and say, all right, I'm
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: on the fifty three man roster here, but they could
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: cut me any week. If I'm on the practice squad,
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: I probably have more job security because they're not going
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: to move me from that. So there could be any
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: number of reasons that a guy doesn't get claimed and
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: then still ultimately signed to a fifty three man roster,
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: especially at quarterback.
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: Okay, fair enough. I just wouldn't be surprised if some
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: of the names that we've listed off or on practice
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: squads to start to see.
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they won't all be but DeVito's one real I'm like,
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: DeVito's probably gonna be on a fifty three man even
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: if he doesn't get claimed. Now, maybe it is the
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: Patriots fifty three. Maybe they deem him worthy of the
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: fifty three man spot. But you know, if he can
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: go to I don't know what the quarterback depth situation
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: is in other teams, but you know, because I just
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: I know they cut two quarterbacks just looking at that
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: list the Packers. The Packers want more depth, they'll put
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: to Vito on the practice squad, or he can come
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: beyond the roster. Here, Josh Dobbs is there, Like, what's
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: gonna happen. I'm gonna be there for three weeks. They're
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: gonna decide they like Dobbs better. I'm gonna get cut,
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: or I go to the practice practice squad where they
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: don't have a ton of quarterback depth. I'm not taking
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: up a roster spot, so I'm not in danger being cut.
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: I get a full season of paychecks. Like that could be.
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: It would depend on the player. There'd be a lot
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: of variables in play, but I'm not ruling it out.
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: So the last thing on the quarterbacks and then we
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: can move on. Is there any there was There was
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: a narrative when they traded Joe Milton that they traded
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: Joe Milton to clear the runway. I think was Nay
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: Grease's exact verbiage, Drake May, is there any credence sort
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: like does that factor into signing a third quarterback? Because
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: I don't think it will happen again with Zappy. I
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: don't think people. I don't think that's he's coming here.
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: I don't think that's happening again.
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: Okay, So that's stream example.
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: I think we're I think we're done with the Bailey
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: Zappy experience here in New England. With that being said,
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: a guy like Tommy DeVito if you saw what happened
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: with Tommy DeVito in New York.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but something that was like he's one of them.
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: I know, but I'm just kid. It's is there any
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: chance that they think about that? And I'm not saying
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: it could be DeVito, could be somebody else, but someone
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: that's had starting experience in the league, that's had a
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: taste of success. And if let's say the first month
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: of the season does not go well for the Patriots
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: or Drake May. All of a sudden, you get Tommy Cutlets,
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: you know, bringing in the Cutlets. Right, They're crazy for thinking.
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: The most popular not a bad team as the backup quarterback. Right, So,
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: which Bailey Zappy was that? Bailey Zay proved that in spades. Yeah,
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: there's always gonna be that element. It probably Look do
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: you remember when they claimed Matt Corral off waivers? There
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: were there were people who jumped from Zappy to Corral.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: There were a bunch of people that thought Mant Corral
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: somehow was going to be the future here. Yeah, but
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: I think you have Josh Dobbs almost as that buffer
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: because okay, well that guy whoever he is, has to
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: pass Dobbs sure, right. If I don't know, maybe people
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: will just say, no, script Dobbs was bad Drake May's play. Yeah,
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: it's probably a little bit of it.
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: I don't think the player is out there of that caliber.
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: De Vito is probably the closest. But I think some
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: of that was the Jersey guy playing for the Giants, right,
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: if he had played at Foxborough High, maybe it's another story.
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: But I don't know. I don't think so outside of Zappi,
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: which is a very unique situation because he has this,
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: I don't think happening. I don't think that's it. I
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: don't think Zappi's happening either.
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: Okay, so that's the quarterbacks. A couple more things and
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: then we'll open it up. I promise. Now I went
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: out of order. Now I've lost my place. Oh to
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: u pas make it right at Efton Chisholm and Elijah Ponter.
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: So that's now twenty one out of the last twenty
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: two seasons at the Patriots going back to two thousand
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: and four, have carried an Okay, I have the list,
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: I do it. Do you want me to list all
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: of them? I know there's too many.
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: No, because I want to make sure you get every
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: single one of them.
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I did get her for missing one guy
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: that made didn't make it to week one but made
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: the initial roster. Do you really want all of them?
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: Do you really want me.
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: To do you?
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: Miss?
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: Uh?
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: I don't even remember the guy's name now, Randall Gay,
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: Mike Wright, Peer Woods, Devin hur Hran, Matt Gutierrez, Gary Guyton,
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: who's a good player, Gary, Brett Lockett, Brian Hoyer, of course,
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: Steven Airy, Kyle Love, Dane Fletcher, Danny Aiken, Justin Francis,
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: Marcus Forston, Brandon Bolden.
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: Brandon Bolden shout out yeah.
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: Twenty thirteen they had five Wait so.
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: You missed Jeff Tarpinion again?
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: Oh shoot yeah twenty eleven, Jeff Tarpini, Stop missing Jeff Tarpinion.
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: Twenty thirteen they had won two, three, four, five, six guys.
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: That roster was obviously in a turnover period. Joe Vilano,
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: Kemberrol Thompkins, Zack Suddfield, Zack Sudfeld, Zachary sud filled the
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: Gronka preseason, Josh Klein, Chris Barker and then punter Ryan Allen.
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: This is where to give him his flowers. This is
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: where Belichick hits a heater with the udfas twenty fourteen,
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: Malcolm Butler YEP twenty fifteen. Chris Harper, Justin Coleman, David Andrews.
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: We all remember Harper's muff Like that's a big deal obviously, David,
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: like David Andrews, is a Patriot legend, Patriot Hall of Famer.
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: Justin Coleman, underrated NFL underrated player. Did he go to
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: Seattle or Detroit?
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: Seattle? Solid NFL player, David Andrews Gonna wear a red
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: jacket some day. Jonathan Jones, d J Foster the next year.
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: So Jonathan Jones twenty sixteen, Absolute hit twenty seventeen. Adam Butler,
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: good NFL player.
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: He's sill in the league, I think, Yeah.
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: Cole Crosston, Jacob Hollister, Harvey Longie.
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: Jacob Hollster I think is still hanging around as well.
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Adam Butler is a solid rotational interior pass rusher.
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: Good player twenty eighteen. We can beat goes on.
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: J C.
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: Jackson very good one. All Pro twenty nineteen. Continues to
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: just hit home runs here Kobe Myers, Gunnery Zchewski in
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: twenty nineteen.
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: Another All Pro twenty twenty, JJ Taylor JJ Taylor still
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: in the league somewhere. I know, yeah, because I saw
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: the other day somebody Adhaim on a ross projection. He's
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: still hanging around.
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: All right, you're gonna love this one. Twenty twenty one.
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know it. You're in twenty twenty one.
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: You know it. In stadium practice, Oh, Quinn Nordin Quinn
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: Nordan Quinn Nordan made the initial riser.
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: I don't think he made it. So this is where
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: we started having to parse it because they had one
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: year where somebody made where a UDIF it was on
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: the initial roster but not on the week one, And
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: then I think Taylor was on the week one but
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: not on the initial roster. So we started splitting hairs
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: at one point with this. Yeah, but it was it was,
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: it was crawling, it was limping in the end at
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: the end by nor Dean.
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Twenty twenty two, Brendan Schooler good fine. DeMarcus Mitchell
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: who did not hang around too much, but Brennan Schooler,
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: he was.
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: He was the cour special teamer for a little bit.
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: He was Brendan Scoller obviously a first team All Pro
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: special teamer, so that that was a good one. Twenty
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: twenty three none, that was when they streak ended.
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: But they only had three udfa's that he was Malik Cunningham.
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: Milike Cunningham is Jordan Halig and Johnny Lumpkin.
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: So I would say Milike Cunningham is probably the best
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: player out of those three. He was in Baltimore's training
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: camp again this year on their ninety man roster, he
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: did not make it.
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: Johnny Umkin was with the Packers, he got cut. Okay,
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: I take Johnny Lumpkin back and he's a blocking tight.
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: End twenty twenty four, and this player stuck on the
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: roster this year as well. Del pettis yep, so he's
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: made it two years in a row, and them now
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty five, Elijah Ponder and Eftin Chisholm aka Julian
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: Edelman aka Danny Handola.
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: So the reason I kind of wanted you to go
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: through that, other than making sure you credited Jeff Tarpinion.
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: Sorry I forgot Jeff Tarpinion.
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: There's a wide range players on there. Yeah, so like,
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: well we'll see what these guys becoming can there's a
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: lot of range as to what these udfas can be.
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: To be fair, though, there is a lot of hits
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: on that list for undrafted rookie free agents, Like there's
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: that's a pretty good list, even guys like we mentioned
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: a guy like Gary Goyden. Gary Guiten's not Malcolm Butler,
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: and he's not David Andrews or Jonathan Jones, but Gary
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: Goeiten was a solid linebacker.
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: Serviceable player, which if you get again, this is the
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: guy you didn't draft, right, you just got you found.
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: So I don't think either one of us are too
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: surprised that Ponder and Chishm made the roster.
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: Though No, Ponder was a little bit of a late
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: push for me. I just thought Truman Jones was having
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: a good camp by thought they'd keep Bradon Swinston for
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: the upside. But he Ponder made that clear the last week,
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: week and a half.
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: Special teams obviously a big impact there will you have.
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: I don't know if he's gonna play a ton on
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: defense as a rookie. We'll see if he has a
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: game day role as well, maybe as a corese special teamer.
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: He does push for a game day roll. And then
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: of course Chisholm, I don't after that drive in Minnesota
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago in the second preseason game,
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: the book was close on like Chishm was making this team. Yeah,
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: I don't think there was any question or any doubt
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: with Chishm there that that conversation ended when he went
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: nuclear on that one drive. Four catches, sixty three yards
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: and a touchdown on one drive against the twos and
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: that that was all she wrote. That was afton Chisholm
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: on the team. So that was your UDFA check in
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: two more one. Uh, that was just near and dear
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: to my heart, Marty Mapu making the roster outline back.
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: I love it. Never wrong, just early Marty Mapu linebacker
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: in full swaying now gets a little bit of help
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: with Julyan Device starting the year on ir so that
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: kind of opened the door. But he beats out cam
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: Riley Monte Rice like some of those other guys for
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: that fourth linebacker spot. I am cautiously excited about Martey
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: Mopu playing linebacker. I think that he might actually be
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: a serviceable coverage linebacker and special teamer. You play him
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: on third downs obvious past situations. I think there's a
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: chance here for Martin Mapu to stick because they don't
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: necessarily have linebackers outside of him that I feel great
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: about in man to man coverage on backs and tight ends.
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: Like I'm not putting him on brock Bowers in Week one, right,
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: but if they play a team that has like a
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: more run of the mill tight end or a running
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: back out of the backfield, I feel a lot better
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: about Marte Mapu covering those types of guys than Christian
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: Ellis or Robert Splain. Am I am I crazy for
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: thinking that no, no set seems like he's better at
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: it than those guys. So I'm I'm I'm excited. I'm
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: you know, obviously I've been pumping the tires and banging
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: the table for Marte mo Mapu to play a linebacker.
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: I'm glad that they finally moved him there. It obviously
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: fits in this defense because you want those linebackers to
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: be faster, more sidelined to sideline players, so you don't
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: necessarily need them to be doing you know, holding up
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: blockers and taking on pulling guards and like all that
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: good stuff that they used to do in the old defense.
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: That's not necessarily the way that they're gonna use their
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: linebackers this year. So his skill set definitely can fit
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: what they're trying to do. So that's the roster. I
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: think that, like we said, off the top, no like
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: real surprises, Like I wasn't blown away by anything. This
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: was not Cam Newton getting cut in twenty twenty one
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: level of a cut down day, but still some intrigue
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: and still some interesting things to break down. So we'll
• 55:50
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• 56:55
  Speaker 2: take your emails. Thanks for hanging on, Sean and Vancouver
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: you're up first. What's up, Sean?
• 57:00
  Speaker 4: Hey, guys, I'm actually in Montreal right now, but yeah,
• 57:04
  Speaker 4: still from Vancouver. So the question I have is we
• 57:09
  Speaker 4: spoke about this a while ago. Jack Westover made the
• 57:12
  Speaker 4: team as we expected, but Evan, you were saying if
• 57:15
  Speaker 4: another full back was cut, they might change that. So
• 57:19
  Speaker 4: what do you think the chances are that they'll pick
• 57:22
  Speaker 4: up Yakub Johnson now that he was cut from the Texans.
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for the call. Sean in Montreal, moving around Canada,
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: ID no inside information whatsoever on Yakub Johnson. I'm still
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: going to say it's high. I think there's a high
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: chance that Yakub Johnson is on this team. Let's say
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: by the end of the day today or tomorrow. It
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: might be the practice squad, because not every team needs
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: a full back, right, so it might be the practice
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: squad at first. But I never I was impressed by
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: how quickly Jack Westover picked up the role. In terms
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: of the processing and the mental aspect of it. Full
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: back is one of those things where there is some
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: processing you have to. I think the biggest thing is
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: is that you want to make your offensive lineman right.
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: So if your offensive lineman gets beat at the first level,
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: you want to take first color and block the guy
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: that's the most the biggest threat to the ball carrier,
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: even if that's not necessarily your assignment. So there is
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: some post snap recognition or processing that it takes to
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: play full back, just to keep you know, on your
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: pie's and q's. It's not always going to be the
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: guy that you draw it up to be that you're
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: gonna block, so you do have to make adjustments on
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: the fly. I was impressed with the way that Westover
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: adjusted to that, but I still look at him, and
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: I look at his build and the way he carries
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: his way. I still think he's a little bit of
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: an upright, you know, uh taller kind.
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: Of listed the same build as Devlin and Johnson.
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: He's not He's not built like's not built like those guys.
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: No, I'm with you. I was surprised when I saw
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: that they're going to add a fullback. I feel pretty
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: confident about that, whether Johnson or somebody else. The one
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: thing I've seen people point out it's a fair point.
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: With Yakub Johnson, fallbacks generally don't have very long careers. Now,
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: if he wants to still play, I think he can
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: still play, but he is at seventy games. I think
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: James Devilin played eighty three, so you know, if he's good,
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: he might have won season.
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: Left.
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: Now all you need him for is really this season.
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: Then you can readdress it or brock Lamp he comes
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: back or whatever.
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: But yeah, it's happening. I'm telling you, I have no
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: inside information, but it's I.
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: Just hit noon. So I thought when you said that,
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: you really happened, because we're gonna get.
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: No, he's not. He's he's an invested veteran, so he's not.
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: He doesn't have to go through waivers. But I I
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: think that they're going to bring back Yakub Johnson because
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: he's just more traditionally. I know maybe they are listed
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: at the same size, but based off the eyes and
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: I think the biggest thing is just flexibility and leverage
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: to get underneath blocks. I still think Westover is truly
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: a tight end. Like he blocks up right, he blocks higher,
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: whereas like a guy like Yakub Johnson or James Devil,
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: and they were so good at getting underneath guys and
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: really leveraging blocks. I still don't look at west Over now.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: The one thing in to be pro Westover just for
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: a second, just to play Devil's advocate. He definitely has
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: a little bit more versatility than a guy like Yakub Johnson,
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: where in theory he could catch some passes coming out
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: of the backfield. I don't know if you're ever going
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: to really target Yakub Johnson in the progression, like maybe
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: if he's a checkdown or a backside checkdown or leak
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: out into the flat, you might get to him eventually
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: at some point. But west Over, because of his tight
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: end background, you know, I could see west Over running
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: routes like I could see him coming out of the
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: backfield and getting into the scene or the rail, you know,
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: out on the wheel like things like that, Like he
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: could potentially do that. So there's a little bit more
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: I would say, like he's more of like a move
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: tight end or an h back then just like a
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: traditional fullback. So if they want to have that role
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: be a little bit more dynamic in terms of pass catching,
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: I suppose you could make that argument that Westover could
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: go ahead and do that. But if you're just looking
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: for the battering Ram, the James Devlin of it all,
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: then Yakub Johnson coming back to this team, I think
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: makes a whole lot of sense. Hugh is in Atlanta.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 2: What's up, Hugh. We'll get Hugh back on the line.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: He's been trying. Do you want my practice squad? I
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: know we're gonna do this at the end of the
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: of the day, probably anyways, get it before.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: I'm hoping we get any second.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: Now, well, we'll get the waiver claims. Practice squad will
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: be a little bit slower to fill out. So here
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: are the guys that I wrote down that I feel
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: like I would want back on the practice squad because
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: my opinion really matters.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: Real quick, Kyle Hamilton for your one hundred million dollar extension.
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: Resets the safety market. Yep, let's take h I think
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: he's on here, and then we'll do my practice squad.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: All right, here, you're there, Hey, what's up you?
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: Hey?
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 5: So I just I just I'm prob you guys, tell
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 5: me you.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: Turn them up just a little bit. We can't we
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: can't hear him too well? What's that ce all? Right,
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: try again. What do you got y? Yeah? We go?
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: Oh man, you all right? He call it? Call back
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: in and we'll try one more time. I'll give you
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: my practice squad. Here we go, all right. So here
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: I have fourteen guys that were in camp with the Patriots.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: David Olgiga doesn't count. They can sign him as a
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: free spot as an international pathway player, so he doesn't count.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: And then I also did right down a quarterback three.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: I did your placeholder thing, and I put a quarterback
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: three as a fifteen guy. Now they can carry sixteen.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: So I would say that either I'm going to be
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: wrong or which is most likely, or maybe they'll they'll
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: sign some guys from out of house that are practice
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: squad players. But here were the fourteen guys that were
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: in camp with the Patriots that I'd like to see
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: them keep and continue to work with. Miles Battle, Yep,
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: Brayden Swinson, Kobe Minor, Truman, Jones, John Giles, Parker, Romo
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: g Scott Junior, Jeremiah Webb, Jack Conley, Mackai Butler. Jamichael
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: Hasty is a vested veteran, but you could sign him
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: to the practice squad as such. Terrell Jennings, cam Riley,
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: and Javari Retzi. I think of all fourteen of those
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: guys I thought showed enough in the preseason and in
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: the practices that i'd be I'd be. I'd call that
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: my ideal practice squad.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: Did you know Jeremiah Webb on there?
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: I did have Jeremy Webb, and you didn't have Warrig,
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: I didn't I have Woolridge. I have a fifteen spot
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: reserved for a third quarterback yep, placeholder, yep. Was there
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: anybody that I missed?
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: So if I had to go through mine Miles Battle, Yes,
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: Jack Conley, yep. G Scott, Jamichael Hasty, Terrell Jennings, Truman Jones,
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: Kobe Minor. I'm not gonna count a Legg. I'm just
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: going to sixteen. Parker Romo, Braden Swinson, Jeremiah Webb. That's ten.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: Kyle Pecko. I thought about Kyle and so that's eleven.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: I thought about Kyle Peco. I thought Kyle Pecko had
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: a nice preseason and probably just caught on a little
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: bit too late.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and he has the familiarity with Rabel.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: I thought about him as another vestigation that would be
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: my group. Now I think it's going to be pretty
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: significantly new guys. I think around half new guys, just
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: based on the way Vrabel stocked. And that'll be the quarterback,
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: that'll maybe be a full back. Maybe it's a different
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: tight end because Dupree is a pure pass catcher. Maybe
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: they keep I could see them keeping two tight ends. Scott, Yeah, yeah, yeah, Scott,
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: Thank you, Scott. And then there's also the elements of
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: all right, if they claim guys on waivers, right, like,
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: all right, you know whoever they cut, like Javon Baker,
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: You're gonna try to get there if they cut him,
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: or Kite Wallace if they cut him. Those to me
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: are like the first two guys maybe born who are off.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: I guess that's the other question. I put this on
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: on Twitter last night. I did a poll, Evan, I
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: did a poll on Twitter. Oh fancy how many new
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: players will be added to the Patriots fifty three man
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: roster between the initial roster in Week one and did zero,
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: one to two, three to four and five plus.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: I'm going to go one to two. I think it's
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: gonna be less than people think.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: People were overwhelmingly in the three to four.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: I think it's going to be less than people think.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: I think it's going to be three to four.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: I think it's going to be less. I could be wrong.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: I just knowing what we know about waivers, and if
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: they had carried, if they had put born on ir
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: and maybe even carried fifty two guys, and I would
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: be with the Lions.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: Keep fifty I think I saw that.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, teams have done that all. You know, the Patriots
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: did it very famously with Bill in the beginning. I
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: think he only kept fifty two guys. So it's been
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: done many times. I think if I'm just looking at
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: the practice squad guys that we were talking about, the
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: guys I feel really strongly about that. I want back
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: that I pound the table for Miles Battle. I think
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: that not only in terms of playing cornerback, but I
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: also think they have a special team's developmental plan in
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: mind for him.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Miles Battle.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: Truman Jones, who I thought made the team. I had
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: him on my unofficial fifties three man roster projection. I
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: thought he was gonna make it.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: Thought John Giles I think has been Did I not
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: say John Giles before I meant to say John Giles?
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: I think John Giles has flashed. I would keep.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: John Giles, I keep him in Web around.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think John Giles. I'm a little higher on
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: Giles than Web, but I keep both of them. And
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: then Parker Romo should be here.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: He's he showed some juices a.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: He did. That's fair.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: So that's why I keep like because that's going to
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: be an important role this year that I think people
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: don't realize.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's fair. So I that's the way I look
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: at it right now. In terms of the practice squad,
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: it'd be interesting to see how many of the guys
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: that are on assigned to the practice squad were with
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: the team in camp, because that might be where you
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: have the turnover, Like I said, one to two guys
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: in terms of the fifty three man roster, but the
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: practice squad, it might be that might be worth They
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: use is like kind of a tryout basis to get
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: some new bodies in here. All right, let's try one
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: more time here. This is your last chance though, all right,
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 2: what do you got here?
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 3: All right?
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 6: You guys got you now?
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 3: Yes?
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 6: So I feel like I feel like the fruit of
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 6: the looma logo, how it's changed and how they you know,
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 6: try to make it seem like it wasn't how it
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 6: was with Ben Brown. Can you guys give me three
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 6: skills that Garrett Bradberry possesses that Ben Brown doesn't, and
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 6: without mentioning leadership and experience, please thank you?
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: Hey, Hugh, you got a good point besides leadership and experience.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: All right, that is one of them. You can't just
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: throw that out.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: The one, the one I would give just to be
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: fair to Ben. To Garrett Bradberry, he's more athletic than
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: Ben Brown. Yeah, he's a better athlete. He's a first
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: round athlete, and he moves latterly and up to the
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: second level a lot faster than Ben Brown does. I
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: think that's the biggest concern that I would have about
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: Ben Brown at guard, because you do want those guys
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: to get up to the linebackers and stuff a lot
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: more than what you do with your center most of
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: the time. And Garrett Bradbury is in athletics center. That's
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: what got him drafted in the first round. Like, that's
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: why he's had success in this league. That's why he's
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: been a starter in the league for six years. So
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: he's a I would say, if you wanted like a
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: physical trait of what Bradberry is better at than Ben Brown,
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: it would be athleticism and range from the center position.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: But Ben Brown's got size on him, He's got play strength,
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: I would say, on Garrett Bradbury, and I guess if
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: you want to use youth as like a positive right
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: like he's let's tread on the tires as well. But
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: if you wanted a physical attribute that Bradbury has over Brown,
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: I'd say athleticism. All right, Williams and Philly, what's up? William?
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 3: Hey?
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 7: Hey up?
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: And how you doing good? How are you all right?
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: Hey?
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 5: It's like hey, now, well one one question that's not
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 5: related to football. Another question is I'll just start with
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 5: the one that is first, Alic, if you talk about
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 5: what was the receiver you told me to look up
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 5: from Arizona's state, His name is Tyson.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: Jordan Tyson, Arizona State.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 5: Right, all right, look with the Patriots history right of
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 5: not be even too as far as get a receiver
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 5: or as far as drafting one or developing one or
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 5: anything like that. Only why I put only why I
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 5: told you Twain twenty seven though, is because I'm looking
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 5: at what's going on with the Patriot though you always
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 5: getting receivers that's thirty something years old, you know what
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 5: I mean, or or or you're drafting one that that
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 5: you you drafted the wrong one in the second, third round,
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 5: something in that magnitude whatever, you know, It just seems
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 5: like it just it seems to me like they're setting
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 5: things up for twenty twenty seven for the pictures.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 3: To do that, you know what I mean.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 5: Like my idea would be like, Okay, would you want
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 5: to take your the first round pick between twenty six
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 5: traded for I traded for twenty twenty seven that when
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 5: you have two first round picks and do whatever. I
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 5: don't know, I'm just saying that. I know that might
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 5: not be the great idea whatnot, but that's that's just
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 5: something I thought about. Though I don't know if y'all
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 5: would want to do that or anything like that. You know,
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 5: just they need a number one receiver bottom line period,
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 5: you know, I mean, a guy that can do it all,
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 5: that's a threat and everything, you know what I mean,
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 5: and they we haven't had that since Randy Moss.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, I mean, I just if you're nobody's
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: trading out of the Jeremiah Smith or Ryan Williams picks.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: They're just not going to trade out of that pick.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: And if you're picking high enough to take one of
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: those guys, things have gone. They should not be in
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 1: that position. That would be more bad than good. As
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: good as those players are, they should be out of range.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: So you know, I don't think you just win to
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: take a receiver until the perfect guy comes along. If
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: you're not in the right position, you're you're now in
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: serious trouble. So they can't just not take a receiver
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: this year because maybe we'll give up the entire franchise
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: to draft Jeremiah Smith in twenty twenty seven. Any number
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: of things can happen between now and then that could
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: get You can't have that long term of a plan
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: for one player in the draft.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 5: Okay, And my question is basically, all right, so this
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 5: is not about football, all right, So you'll be on
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 5: ninety eight point point five a sports hub whatnot? Yeah,
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 5: could you tell me like the music that they be playing,
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 5: it's just instrumental like rock music. I think that's what
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 5: it is. Can you tell me where could I get different?
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: Where what the music they're using is bad music?
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 6: Yeah?
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 7: That's what?
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great question.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: I I we don't have like a playlist. Maybe we should,
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: that's a good question.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: I'm sure you like have a library that you guys
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: pay for that has like instrumentals and like non copywritten music.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: Well, are you talking about just in general, like one
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: specific song?
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 3: Well?
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 8: Was it's just something?
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 5: But it's just instrumental, That's what I saw it is.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 5: Yet they don't play nothing but vocals anything mean by
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 5: saying it is just it is just instrumental, that's all
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 5: it is.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: Well, some of that is songs that have a longer
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: instrumental intro and some of it I think it's just
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: going on YouTube and finding instrumentals. There's not one specific. Yeah,
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: I don't think there's like a big database.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: I always found that thanks for the comedy, and I
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: always found that interesting about your station is that you
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: play copyright music and don't get in trouble for it.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: Is that like an like because you're actually on the
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: rate like the physical.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: There is I don't know you pay the answer to this,
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: I don't want to get anybody in trouble. I think
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: it has something to do with because the company that
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: owns the sports hub, which is easily so they run
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: ninety six nine and you know some other stations.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: That makes sense because we can't play at music like
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: that here.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: Right, So I think that they I think the company
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: that owns the sports Tub has the license and it
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: just it covers all of those stations.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes sense. So I back to his football
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: question about the wide receivers. I want to We were
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: talking about this yesterday on PU. One of my goals
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: for this season for the Patriots is to make themselves
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: a desirable destination for star talent. In twenty twenty six,
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: I think.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: I will say it's free agent wide receiver. Clear the
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: pre agent class is not great.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: You can quantify that, though, however you want to quantify it.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: But the next time. I don't know if it's going
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: to happen this time around because they're not there yet.
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: But let's just say the next offseason when the next
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: disgruntled wide receiver isn't going to get traded but acts
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: like he's going to get traded asked for a trade.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: I want the Patriots to not get Brandon Aiyuke to
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 2: get right or Calvin ridleyed in free agency. I think
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: that's a big part and quantify that however, it looks
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: make the playoffs win, you double your win total. Maybe
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: it's just Drake May looks like a guy like if
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 2: Drake May has Justin Herbert is rookie season, I want
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: to say only one like four or five games, but
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: Herbert looked unreal, and so maybe it's just that whole thing.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: But making yourself a desirable destination. For William to finally
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: get his number one receiver, I think is a really
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: big deal for them. They need to make the New
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: England and the Patriots a desirable team again.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: So I'll just throw this out there. The pre agents
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: for next year, So these will be the guys that
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: are entering a contract year in twenty twenty six, So
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: essentially what McLaurin and met Kalf and all these guys
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: were this year. Tell me if you're interested. Drake London, Yes,
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: but he's gonna get extended. Darnell Mooney, No, they have enough.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: Darnell Mooney's JSN.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but he'll get extended.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: Michael Pittman, Maybe Tyreek Hill.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: Michael Pittman, didn't he sign an extension with the Colts. No,
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: he's on this. I think I thought he got a
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: new using over the cap. Maybe maybe it was a
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: short term, maybe it was a franchise tag. I mean
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: this is essentially a two year he signed. Okay, he
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: signed a three year deal. Yeah, so going into last season,
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 2: so that will be ye into last year that extension.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah. So the your guys you have trade
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: for these aren't free agency? Is the pre agent Michael Pittman?
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: I probably would, just because he's complimentary to what they have.
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: All right, Tyreek Hill, No Zay Flowers, yeah, obviously, but
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: no Jordan Addison.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: Okay, we have some Patriots breaking news. Okay, Kendrick Bourne
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: has been released by the Patriots, according to Tom Pelisaro.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: So Kendrick Bourn makes the team yesterday. And this is
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 2: when we always joke about the rosters. It's fluid and
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 2: it's in flux. Kendrick Bourn has been released by the Patriots.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: This is from Pelisaro. And now everybody's.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: Adam Schefter saying he requested his release.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: So he requested his release. That's what Adam Schefter is saying. Yep,
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: requested his release. So Kendrick Bourne vested veteran so that
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: means that he does not have to go through waivers.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: So now Kendrick Bourne, if released by the Patriots, which
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: he was according to these reports, is now free to
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 2: sign with any of the thirty one team in the league,
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: so he does not have to go through the waiver process.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: This is not the breaking news I was expecting us
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: to get on the show. But I'm glad we had
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: got some breaking news on the show, Alex. Just your
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 2: instant reaction to this.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: If I can just wax poetic about Kendrick Bourne for
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: a second, do it, because you know how I feel
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: about Kendrick Borne. Like I think Kendrick Bourne was a
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: fine I think Kendrick Bourne was a good player, and
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: he was on a thousand yard pace in twenty twenty
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: one before he got cold. He would have been the
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: patriots only thousand yard receivers sin settlement. If he doesn't
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 1: get sick that year, comes back the next year, and
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: that should have been like they should have been able
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: to build on that. Matt Patricia's offense was a mess.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: He gets in the doghouse over some stuff he really
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: should not have been in the doghouse for that's a
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: lost year. The next year in twenty twenty three, okay,
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: ken Kendrick Bourne, and I think he signed an extension
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: before that year, before twenty twenty four, but comes back
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three. Okay, let's try this again. Let's
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: see what he can do. And he was not bad
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: off the rip his full season pace over the first
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: eight games eighty catches, eight hundred and sixty yards, eight touchdowns.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: That would have been his full season pace. That's a
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: solid season. That would have been one of their better
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: wide receiver seasons in a while. Tears ACL in Miami
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: before Halloween season's over comes back last year, misses the
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: beginning of the season, he's coming off to torn ACL
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: and look, I know you guys get on me that
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: I won't quit Kendrick Bourne at this point and will admit,
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: thirty years old, it's coming off torn ACL chasing a
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: season that he had four years ago is just not realistic. Yep,
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: he was, And it's not so much reflection on this
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: coaching staff, because again, I think at this point it
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: is what it is. He's one of the bigger wasted offer,
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: not waste wasted potential or missed potential that I've covered,
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: and I think that's much more on the team than him.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: He definitely wasn't perfect, but I think he was a
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: real fine in that twenty twenty one free agency class,
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: and they just were constantly missing each other, like they
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: never the window was never truly open and capitalized twenty
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: one season, and that sucks because he loved his mentality,
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: loved his mental makeup, loved his approach. I think he
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: he already was kind of a fan favorite, but a
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: guy that would have been really cool to see succeed here.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: If we were to do like the short list of
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: guys I wish played with Brady after Brady left, he
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: might be at the top of that list. He's up there.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: It's like him and Hunter Henry. But you know, we'll
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: see if he comes back on the practice squad. My
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: guess would be no. Since he requested his release, doesn't
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: seem like I wish him the best elsewhere. That sucks
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: because there was real potential there for him to make
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: a difference in between injuries and bad coaching. It just
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: never happened.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: So I agree with everything he said. Kendrick Bourne also,
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: and I know this doesn't mean anything to anybody else
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: besides maybe the Beat, but just one of my favorite
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: people to talk to in the locker room over the
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 2: last couple of years. I really enjoyed his press conference
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 2: is getting to know him a little bit. Always a
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: smile on his face, always a nice dude. One thing.
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 2: I know again that nobody else cares about this, but
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 2: I just think it's saying he knew a lot of
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: us by name, and like cared to know a lot
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 2: of us by name. I thought that was really cool.
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 2: Just a really genuine good dude, like good spirited.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 2: Always, Like I said, like you laid it out perfectly
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: in terms of his run here, it wasn't all sunshines
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 2: and rainbows for Kendrick Bourne in terms of what was
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: going on with the Patriots and what was going on
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 2: with him injuries twenty twenty two. The coaching staff didn't
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 2: like him for whatever reason that he gets hurt in
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 2: twenty three, when he was having a career start to
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 2: the year, in twenty three with Bill O'Brien tears his
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 2: ACL and halfway through twenty twenty three, so there was
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 2: all sorts of reasons for Kendrick Bourne to be MOPy,
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 2: to be disgruntled, to be disappointed, and he just never
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 2: was any of those things. So I give him a
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 2: lot of credit for that. He's a pros pro in
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 2: terms of all that kind of stuff. Now in terms
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 2: of the roster, we all got the roster yesterday and
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 2: saw eight wide receivers and were like, not surprised. This
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 2: is not just annable. There's too many receivers here.
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: So a little more I from Mandra Callahan here. The
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: Patriots are releasing wide receiver Kendrick Bourne upon request after
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: they failed to finalize a trade that would have sent
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: him to Minnesota. Per source, Born is healthy and it
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: was expected to practice he've made in New England, So
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: why did he make the initial roster. They wanted to
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: work the trade out right, They couldn't get the trade
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: done by four o'clock yesterday. They spent more time the
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: feel and trade happens this morning. That doors now closed.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: He gets released.
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 2: Great point, great great connection there with Adam Feelin because
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 2: similar kind of receiver, right that was this morning, right, yeah, yeah,
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 2: and similar kind of receivers. I think they were going
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 2: to play similar roles in Minnesota if Minnesota had acquired them.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 2: I'm not surprised that it's the Vikings that were interested,
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 2: not that Kendrick Born practiced in those joint practices, but
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 2: they obviously had a lot of back and forth behind
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 2: the scenes between Vrabel and Kevin O'Connell. I'm sure during
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 2: that week where they probably talked about each other's rosters
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 2: and the players that might become available. So I was
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 2: expecting that maybe there would be some roster change of
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 2: you know, exchanging going on between the Patriots and Vikings.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 2: For that reason, you laid it out nicely in terms
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: of the ups and downs for Kendrick Bourne. I talked
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 2: about at the beginning of the show with the eight
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 2: wide receiver thing, It just I couldn't really envision a
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 2: game day role for Kendrick Born. Here there was the
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 2: five guys that we all have been mentioning at nauseum
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 2: that are really the top five in that room. Diggs, Douglas,
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 2: Booty Hollins, Kyle Williams. Those five guys are the guys
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: that I feel like are gonna have a chance to
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 2: play on game day on offense, Eft and Chisholm. I
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 2: think it might be a guy that's on the outside
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 2: looking into It's one thing to have an undrafted rookie
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 2: be a healthy scratch and his rookie season in his
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 2: first year in the NFL. Javon Baker potentially active for
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 2: special teams, and you mentioned this when we were talking
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 2: about the A wide receivers. Maybe we should just start
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 2: talking about Javon Baker in a similar way we talk
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 2: about Brennan Schooler. Like Brennan Schooler is technically on the
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 2: roster as a safety, but he's not playing safety. He's
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 2: playing special teams, and Javon Baker might be gravitating towards
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 2: that as well as a wide receiver that's playing special teams.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 2: So the Kendrick Bourne run here is over. I think
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 2: it's over. There's no reason for him to ask for
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 2: his release if he was going to be on the
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 2: practice squad. So now that dovetails that, you know, turn
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 2: the page here. The Patriots now the fifty two guys
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: on the roster yeap, so they have an open roster
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 2: spot we should hopefully I was hoping that the news
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 2: that we were going to get while we were on
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 2: the air was the waiver claims. We should be hearing
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 2: about waiver claims here, not before long, but knowing that
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 2: they released Kendrick Bourne, I think it's pretty safe to
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 2: say that they at least put in a claim for
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 2: somebody that they think they're going to get to take
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 2: that roster spot, and that's why we're here. Are you
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 2: at all surprised with Kendrick Bourne that this didn't happen
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 2: yesterday or that he didn't go on io Like, it's
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 2: just kind of weird that twenty four hours later they
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 2: could have just done this yesterday. But I think maybe
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 2: you're right about the trade. Potentially they wanted to keep
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 2: the door of the trade over. Now, why couldn't they
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 2: get the deal done? What was the Feeling trade? It
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 2: was a sixth and a seventh. Uh, yeah, it wasn't much,
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 2: so I'll when you're talking.
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: I mean, Feeling had a good year last year, all
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: things considered for his age and all that. So I
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: what did they want for born? I'm guessing the Patriots
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: weren't getting a pick out right? It was probably a
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: pick soop.
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 2: It was a twenty twenty sixth seventh and twenty twenty
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 2: seventh fifth for Adam Feeling. I mean, there's a lot
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 2: of picks going back and forth, but.
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: If you're going to cut them anyway, I would have
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: just taken the one pick and done it. I wonder
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: if Minnesota wasn't going to do that. I wonder if
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: they were insisting on a pick swap and the Patriots
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: didn't want to, you know, net lose picks considering how
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: much we see Rabel wants to turn over the roster.
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: But I feel like that's something that that they should
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: have been able to get done.
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 2: So I'm gonna miss Kendrick Born. You miss having him around.
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 2: I already we already kind of waxed poetic about that.
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 2: That being said, I actually am cautiously optimist mystic about
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 2: their wide receiver room. And I was on with one
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 2: of your guys, McCarthy the other night, and I said
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 2: something along the lines of this is the best wide
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 2: receiver room that I can remember them having in quite
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 2: some time, and Matt correctly said, well, Evan, the bar
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 2: is not very high for that, right, the bar is
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: not very high. Which facts, the bar is not very high.
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 2: But I'm actually genuinely optimistic about the mix that they
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 2: have at wide receiver for the first time in a
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 2: while now. A lot of that hinges on Stefan Diggs
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 2: being what I think he's going to be, which is
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 2: Stefon Diggs. Maybe not prime Minnesota Buffalo Stefon Diggs, but
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 2: at least the guy at the end in Buffalo and
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 2: the guy last year in Houston before he tore his ACL.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 2: I expect Stefon Diggs to play at that level for
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 2: the Patriots this year. And I also have been pleasantly
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 2: surprised by Matt Collins. I think mccollins is more of
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 2: a factor than I gave him credit for. I think
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 2: his catch radius and his size it lends itself well
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 2: to Drake May, who's not a pinpoint accurate quarterback all
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 2: the time, so he can and we saw him going
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 2: over the middle of the field in Minnesota and kind
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 2: of rescuing a high pass thereby Drake May off script
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 2: or out of structure playmaking. When May scrambles and he
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 2: starts running around, having a six foot four wide receiver
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 2: down the field to throw the ball to is a
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 2: nice thing to have for a quarterback. So we see
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 2: how comfortable Drake May is throwing to his tight ends,
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 2: you know, Hunter Henry Austin Hooper. I think it's similar
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 2: with mac collins because of his size and his catch radius.
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 2: So if Digs is Digs, mac Collins ends up being
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 2: like a nice fine maybe he has similar production to
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 2: what he had in Vegas a couple of years ago
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 2: with Josh McDaniels. And then you also have this emergence
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 2: of kind of both things happening at once, the re
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 2: emergence of the slot receiver and then Pop Douglas looking
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 2: like he can wear the suit of the slot receiver,
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 2: that thing happening coinciding at the same time. I look
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 2: at it and say, like, this is a decent room.
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 2: Is it the best room in the NFL? No, of
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 2: course not. But if they were the worst receiver room
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 2: in the league last year and maybe even the year before,
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 2: are they closer to middle of the pack this year?
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: Still think they're probably bottom third, but they're better. I
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: so much with Hinges on Diggs, so much.
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 2: With Kyle Williams, Like if Kyle Williams, if it's not Diggs,
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 2: and you know, the potential or the ceiling there comes
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 2: from Kyle Williams as well. But what I like about
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 2: the receiver room for me is like, along with just
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 2: thinking the talent level has improved there, I also just
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 2: like the fact that they have a nice mix of
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 2: skill sets. I think in the past they've had some redundancy,
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 2: they've been slow, they haven't had a field stretching element
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 2: to the offense. But you have a jitterbug slot in
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 2: Pop Douglas. You have a true technician and Stefan Diggs
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 2: to play the Z. You have a big body Dex
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 2: and Matt Collins, and you have a speed X and
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 2: Kyle Williams. And then I think Kishan Boody is kind
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 2: of in between Matt Collins and Kyle Williams. But I
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 2: like how they compliment each other. I like the mix
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 2: that they have there, and I just didn't feel like
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 2: there was enough space in that mix for Kendrick Bourne,
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 2: which is probably how we end up here. Yeah, So
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 2: anything else to add on kenner Bourne. I'll take a
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 2: lot these calls and.
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: That's pretty much it. All right, Let's get back to
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: the calls. Uh, Daniel is real quick report from San Francisco.
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: There's high interest from the forty nine ers bringing Kendrick Bourn.
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: I think that's where he ends up. I just I
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 1: don't know. I do don't want him to end up
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: in Kansas City. I think he'd succeed there, but I
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: don't want to have to watch him in Kansas City.
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 2: So San Francisco, you're saying, San Francisco, you brought up
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 2: San Francisco.
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: Here, No, so that did somebody brought up like Pittsburgh,
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: San Francisco, Kansas City as teams that need receivers.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 2: Got it? So I could see sanfi Cisco reuniting with
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 2: Kyle Shanahan makes all those sense.
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: Well, you know what's gonna happen, then, right, he's gonna
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: be good. Well, if they win, I'm given Kyle Shanahan
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: no credit. Kendrick Bourne gets all the credit. That is
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 1: a full my guy versus you guy debate.
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 2: It'd be interesting to see, like, I don't know, I know,
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 2: we kind of get into this point and it's like,
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 2: could they have traded Kendrick Borne for like a conditional
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 2: sixth round pick that you obviously should take what you
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 2: can get for the player, But I wonder what was
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 2: really out there for him? Because if he just immediately
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 2: goes and turns around and signs with San Francisco, clearly
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 2: there was real motivation by the forty nine ers to
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 2: get Hendrick Bourne.
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 1: Or did the forty nine ers know when's the feeling
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: trade happened? All right, well they're gonna have to cut them.
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: Nobody else is gonna trade for him? Will wait it out.
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 2: They might have called their bluff.
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 1: Because I think if you're he'll have other suitors. Shanahan
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: probably knows he'll have a good chance to get him
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: back if he wants him back.
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 2: I feel like they probably could have gotten something for
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 2: Kendrick Borne. But if it again, if it was like
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 2: a conditional seventh round pick, I understand. Just give the
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 2: guy the freedom to decide where he wants to go
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 2: and just doing a solid by him. I know some
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 2: people that annoys people are doing teams do that, but
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 2: at the end of the day, if you're getting a
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 2: conditional seventh or a conditional six, like, what are we
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 2: really talking?
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 1: So I think the bigger thing is if it's a
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: pick swap and they were trying to net a pick here, yeah,
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: that would be.
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 2: That would have been probably better. All right, let's go
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 2: back to the phones. Daniel's in California. What's up, Daniel?
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 3: You guys don't good?
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 2: Pete.
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 9: So, yeah, I agree with you Evan about the wide
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 9: receiver room. I'm definitely optimistic about it. Like I don't
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 9: think it's one of the worst, which has been in
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 9: the past couple of seasons. I definitely think it's around
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 9: like the twenty twenty range, probably low twenties. But on
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 9: Pop Douglas though I did see that he's about the
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 9: on Edelman's podcast, or he already was not out yet.
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 9: I know that he's not like an every down player,
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 9: but you know, I have a feeling that he's due
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 9: for a breakout season. You know, if Drake, you know,
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 9: ends up being having a successful year, if Horse like
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 9: the people that I would think would get the credit
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 9: would be like Big Henry in the probably the running
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 9: back room. You know, But how do you feel that
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 9: you know what Pop season is, you know what his
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 9: potential was of being this season, and I can just
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 9: pick that off the air.
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 10: Thank you.
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Daniel, I actually have a story coming out probably
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 2: tomorrow on this exact topic and just the slot receiver
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 2: in Josh mcdaniels's offense in general, but also Pop Douglas,
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 2: Efton Chisholm and their role within that. And I actually
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 2: spoke to Edelman for it, so I have some good
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 2: stuff from Edelman on the role on playing in the slot,
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 2: also what he thinks of those guys. He's in the
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 2: media now so he pays attention to all this. Just
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 2: one little thing I'll share Edelman is really high on
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 2: both guys, but really high on Pop Douglas and said
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 2: he's he predicted somewhere between eighty to ninety catches this
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 2: year for Pop in this offense. And he just said
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 2: having Josh McDaniels is like McDaniels is, all he's gonna
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 2: do is hunt matchups in the inside with Pop and
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 2: get him on linebackers, and get him on safeties, and
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 2: get him in foot races that he can win off
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 2: the line of scrimmage. And he really was bullish about
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 2: the combination of McDaniels and Pop together and how good
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 2: that can be for Pop Douglas. And I'll just add
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 2: I've been really impressed with how well Pop Douglas has
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 2: handled some of the mental aspects of that position. I
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 2: wasn't one hundred percent certain that he was going to
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 2: handle some of the post snap processing. You basically have
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 2: to process the defense like you're a quarterback. You have
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 2: to read the coverage, you have to find the soft spots.
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 2: You have to know when it's quarterbacks right, you have
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 2: to know when it's man. I've been really pleasantly surprised
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 2: by how well Pop has picked all of that up.
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 2: And I know Drake May has talked about it lining
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 2: up in the right places, running routes with more detail
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 2: and more precise with his steps. And so I do
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 2: think that Pob Douglas is in I don't know if
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 2: we want to call it a breakout season, but I
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 2: think eighty catches is probably in play. You know, maybe
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 2: it's eighty for eight hundred. I don't know if it's
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 2: going to be a ton of yards per catch, if
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 2: it's going to be a very high number of yards
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 2: per catches, I think he'll probably be somewhere around ten
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 2: or eleven yards. But realistically, I do think eighty catches
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 2: it in play for Pop.
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So I'll just emphasize though, I don't think Pop
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 1: Douglass like he doesn't need to have a volume season
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  Speaker 1: have a successful season. Yeah, right, it's big plays, it's touchdowns,
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  Speaker 1: it's first downs, things like that. I don't think he
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 1: needs to catch a hundred passes to have a breakout season.
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  Speaker 2: No, Yeah, that's fair, and maybe it is. You know,
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  Speaker 2: we talked a little bit about in this piece, which
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 2: I think was you know, Edelman was really good about this.
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 2: Like we talked about the difference between the slot, which
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 2: is McDaniels and McDaniels offense is called the F receiver
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 2: and the Z which is like the flanker receiver, and
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 2: the differences between those two positions, and there is differences
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 2: in terms of where they play and how they've run
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 2: routes typically speaking, especially like the F is only in
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 2: a three receiver package, is only when there's the XDF
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 2: and the Z. So in order to be a base
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 2: receiver like a Z receiver, a DAD takes a lot
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 2: more in terms of blocking and different things like that,
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 2: playing more on the outside. So to your point about volume,
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 2: like Pop is a true slot, he's not gonna be
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 2: a typically a guy. The Patriots play a lot of
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 2: base offense with with two receivers on the field, I
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 2: don't think he's gonna be on the field a ton,
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 2: But the second that they go to three receiver eleven,
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 2: then he's gonna be on the field a lot. So
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 2: at the end of the day, that's probably a wash.
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 2: Like he's probably still going to be seventy seventy five
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 2: eighty percent of the snaps because they play so much
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 2: in eleven these days in today's NFL, But it's a
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 2: little bit in that respect, not in terms of their
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 2: skill sets. They're not comparable players in that respect, but
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 2: in terms of usage, it's a little bit more Ammondola
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 2: than it is Ediement. Yeah so yeah, so that that
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 2: I would say is a little bit different. All right,
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 2: let's go to Christian in LA. What's up Christian?
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  Speaker 7: Hey, guys, you know, I don't get a chance to
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 7: call into your show so much, but I really loved
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 7: what you guys do. More of the exes and o's
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 7: and you really get into and break it down. So
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 7: I really respect the show and I really love it
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 7: on it still going.
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 10: Well.
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 7: Now, let me get on you because both of you
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 7: guys are doing the very thing that I really really
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 7: dislike about commentators and quarterbacks. If you cannot bring a
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 7: guy into your quarterback room because you're afraid it's gonna
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 7: somehow damage the confidence and the psyche of your stark quarterback,
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 7: he's not a starting quarterback. That's a child that needs
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 7: to develop more before you put him in lead of
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 7: your franchise. I get so mad when I hear, well,
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 7: you know, if you bring a man, people are gonna
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 7: start firing. For me, I was gonna break me of
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 7: my kids. That's ridiculous to me. You bring the best
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 7: talent into your room that you can possibly get, and
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 7: if someone outplays you, I don't care. If you got
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 7: a hundred million dollars contract you got over, you got lucky.
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 7: The guys that plays best belongs on the field. That's
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 7: That's one I'm gonna ask you guys for that. Did
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 7: I see that they cut that that swing guard that
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 7: that everyone was kind of getting high on because he
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 7: got injured? Is that something that they usually put a
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 7: guy on injured, reserved and see maybe you know he's talented,
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 7: Let's wait and see if he can get well, or
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 7: well he's so injured that they just said, you know,
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 7: let's release him and get rid of him. And then my, my,
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 7: my third thing is with us trying to attract players
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 7: to the Patriots. Winning does help, But in today's landscape
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 7: where players were trying to develop simultaneously their post post
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 7: football careers and brands and that kind of thing, do
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 7: you think that vrabel will will have the kind of
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 7: attitude to allow some of the stuff that needs to
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 7: go on for players to sort of develop that that,
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 7: you know, that brand name and style to do something afterwards.
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 7: Thank you, guys, I'll take you off the air, and again,
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 7: I love the show.
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 2: Thanks Christian. I appreciate the call so to just to
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 2: the quarterback thing, like, that's not us, that is that's
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 2: putting that out there. We're just reading their actions, like
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 2: if they didn't care about the dynamic in the locker
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 2: room and all these different types of things, and Joe
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 2: Milton would still be here. So this is not this
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 2: is just a thing, like I don't think it's a
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 2: media thing. We're just reacting to what these teams are
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 2: doing and whether Christian, you know, I understand your point,
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 2: but this is a legit thing that teams do. When
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 2: you have a young quarterback like Drake May who has
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 2: all the talent in the world but isn't quite proven
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 2: yet and isn't quite established yet, teams are weary about
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 2: bringing in competition and having that be uneasy in the
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 2: quarterback room. I think that that's a part of it. Obviously,
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 2: talent and all that stuff is probably a bigger deal.
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 2: But we saw this with Mac Jones and Bailey Zappy,
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 2: and I think we saw this a little bit with
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 2: Joe Milton and Drake May. And I think that's why
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 2: Joe Milton is no longer here. Yeah, so I don't
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 2: think we're that's a media driven thing. Two, I don't
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 2: know who's talking about that guard. There's a million guards.
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 1: Laydon Robinson, maybe Laden only god they put on I
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 1: r oh, no, he said, did they cut?
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Maybe maybe Leyden Robinson, I'm not sure.
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 1: And then I don't think there are any linemen. People
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 1: were high on them they cut?
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 2: No, no, not not super high on And then uh,
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 2: what was his last one? There? I had something to
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 2: respond to that one too?
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 1: What was the last one?
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 2: I don't remember? Sorry, Christian, here you come at us
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 2: with three different things, and you know there's there's too
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 2: much there. All right, let's take this one. Jeff is
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 2: in Maine. What's up? Jeff?
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  Speaker 3: Hey?
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 2: Good?
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 3: Uh? So I have two things, neither of which are exes.
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 3: Those related one ft Chisholm's listen. I don't know how
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 3: no one has said this yet, so we'll do it
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 3: on this show. I'm not sure anyone is gonna get
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 3: a better nickname for him than E C. Three.
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 2: Not bad.
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 3: I feel I feel good about that too. So last
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 3: year my fantasy team was the Manhattan Project. Yes, this year,
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 3: I mean I feel like just with the last couple
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 3: of shows. Does it not have to be in Island? Yeah?
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, probably, there you go, there you go.
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 2: I love it.
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 1: The only person show and talk fantasy football.
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 2: By the way, we have some emails about your hate
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 2: for fantasy football.
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 1: Well, so I gotta get you on the Punter League too.
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 2: That has Jeff f chism Island sounds right to me.
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 3: That sounds great, all right, And again I will be
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 3: the only fantasy football call that you will take all year.
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 3: You'll get a couple updates and I will talk X's
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 3: nose from now on.
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 2: I love it. I appreciate it. You're the only one
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 2: that we allowed to talk fantasy one, only one. All right,
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 2: Patty's in Agua. What's up, Patty? How you doing.
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 6: Doing?
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 3: All right?
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 8: So last week I had something for Evan. This week
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 8: got something for you, Alex. I heard I heard you
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 8: say two words on TB I think it was last week,
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 8: And when he said it, my intento went up those
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 8: two words. Nick Harbor, I can't wait, dude, I can't wait.
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 11: For this weekend.
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 8: Can't wait for the start of the college game.
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 11: Yeah, and I'm gonna keep I'm gonna get keep a
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 11: close eye on him. Because that dude is a bona
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 11: fide freak, and I'm hoping that he is a big
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 11: season because if he does, that's the guy I want
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 11: next year in the first round. So all I got,
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 11: let's freaking go. I know you're gonna be watching this weekend, Alex,
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 11: I'll be watching you.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks for the call, Patty, how do you explain to
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 2: everybody who the heck.
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 1: Nick Harbor and Patty put him away? He's a player
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 1: to watch. I am not saying I want the Patriots
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 1: to draft him, not yet. I'm not saying I don't
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 1: want them to draft him because I got to see
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 1: how the season goes. Nick Harbor, Evan, We've been doing
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 1: this for eight years. Nick Harbor, I dare to say
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 1: will be the best raw athlete we've ever covered coming
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 1: out of the draft. I've reserved that for Jordan Davis.
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 1: The best raw, the best pure just athleticism. Okay, in
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 1: terms of athleticism, this guy was a five star crew
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 1: coming out of high school as a defensive end. Six five,
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 1: two thirty five goes to and he's a track star
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 1: to All American track star goes South Carolina. Wants to
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 1: play receiver. So six five two thirty five All American
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 1: in the one hundred yard dash two hundred yard dash,
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 1: Like the reports are, he can run a forty in
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 1: the high four threes. Again it's six five, two thirty five.
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: But because he was a defensive end play a little
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 1: tight end in high school, it's all incredibly raw. So
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 1: the big thing this year with Nick Harb it's the
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 1: first year's draft eligibly he's a true junior. He didn't
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 1: run track this year in the springs, the first time
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 1: he's ever done that. He dedicated himself fully to football,
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 1: to picking up the nuances of the position. All the
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 1: reports out of the South Carolina spring practices were there's
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 1: results there like that actually paid off. He's got a
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 1: Heisman caliber quarterback in Lenora Sellars, like we'll see right again,
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 1: player to watch if he actually put to work in
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 1: and there's some skill there. The athleticism, the size, the speed,
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 1: all of that speaks for itself. If not, well, big guy,
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 1: it's the fast and big guy runs fast and what
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: and he may end up staying another year in college
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 1: and trying to develop. Like again, he's a true junior.
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 1: He was the first ever true freshman to be at
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 1: the top of the Freaks List and the Athletic. He
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 1: was the first player to be number one on the
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 1: Freaks lits back to back years. In the Athletic he
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 1: was top five again this year, I think because they
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 1: just felt it was unfair to keep putting him at
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 1: the top. There is no more exciting prospect in college
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 1: football than Nick Harbor. Whether or not he ultimately that
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 1: pans out, we will see. This is a huge year
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 1: for him.
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 2: There's a proply guy that he told me he needs
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 2: to learn how to play football. Kind of yeah, okay,
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 2: well that's a pretty big deal. But so South Carolina's
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 2: got a good coaching staff. The reports are that this
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 2: spring just focusing on football and not running. I said
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 2: that tongue in cheek because he's never done like the
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 2: full calendar year of football. Okay, because he dedicates him
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 2: off the track. He did that this year. Let's see
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 2: what the results are. I'm fascinated by it. Maybe there's
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 2: nothing here. There's a real chance there's nothing here, and
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 2: then I will drop it. But if there is something,
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 2: I mean, you're talking like a DK Metcalf Josh Gordon
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 2: kind of receiver. So when you said the best raw
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 2: athlete that, yeah, we ever covered in a draft. DK
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 2: was the first one that comes to mind to me,
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 2: so that I know DK didn't have the agility testing,
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 2: but we're talking about a absolute alien. So six foot
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 2: four dude that runs a fourth.
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 1: He is among the elite athletes. He's at the top
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 1: of the list, like he's another level. So I'm excited
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 1: to see, if you think. But he's got a lot
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 1: of growing and needs to show this year.
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 2: All right, so we do have some the waiver thing
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 2: is going really slow this year for whatever reason.
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 1: Do a practice squad side, we have.
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 2: Some practice squad things. Looks like maybe Terrell Jennings from
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 2: Mark Daniels coming back on the practice squad. The couple
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 2: of the Titans reporters down there said the Titans claim
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 2: four guys on.
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 1: It doesn't help. I saw one I think was Juju Brentz,
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 1: who was a big draft guy of mine. For you,
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 1: I just want real quick. I want to say my
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 1: favorite thing about cutdown Day every year is getting tagged
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 1: in tweets about players that I draft crush on, like
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 1: three years ago, We're getting cut Honestly, like, I truly
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 1: appreciate that. I don't know if you get the same thing.
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 1: I truly appreciate. It actually means a lot to me
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 1: that you guys remember this stuff, because sometimes I maybe
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 1: don't even remember and got to go back and look
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 1: up what I wrote about the guy. So it does
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 1: mean to lots of me every year, like I got tagged, Juju,
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 1: Brents got cut. There are a couple other guys I
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 1: know when Bryceford Wheaton went on IR like I got tagged, Like,
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 1: I always appreciate seeing those guys.
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 2: So I'm a little disappointed. Usually by now, Tom Pelisaro
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 2: or Albert bre or somebody has the wire. The wire
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 2: data is post, the entire wire of who was claimed.
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 2: But right now what we're getting is we're getting slow
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 2: trickle outs of some of the insiders are going team
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 2: by team of who was So it sounds like the
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 2: Titans were the most active team. They claimed four guys
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 2: on waivers, Samuel Womack defensive back, a lot of defensive backs.
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 2: Let's see. Oh they came from Alabama, Jalen amwar Davis.
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 2: Uh yeah, they claimed him as well.
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 1: So they claimed two corners.
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 2: They claimed a handful of corners.
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 1: It sounds like that Patriots might be on a corner.
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 2: So there's there's a couple of things. But let's take
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 2: a few more of these calls. We have ten minutes
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 2: left and hopefully we can see definitively if the Patriots
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 2: have claimed anybody. Uh, let's go to Mark in Connecticut.
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 2: What's up, Mark?
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 10: What's going on? My brothers?
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 3: How are we good?
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 10: How are you too bad? Evan? Just a quick couple
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 10: of things to Gooby Myers, any real word on him
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 10: if he's actually gonna be available to get. And then
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 10: the other thing is that tight end. I still feel
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 10: like we need another really good tight end. And there's
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 10: two that are I believe on the waiver Wile, Josh
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 10: Wile and Greg Dulich, who actually just picked the crap
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 10: out of us that was on the New York Giants
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 10: over the last preseason game. I wanted to get your guys'
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 10: takes on those guys.
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, thanks for the call. Mark. So a lot
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 2: of conversations about those two tight ends. Deulich we all
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 2: just saw with the Giants in the preseason game. And
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 2: then Wile was drafted by Vrabel I believe in Tennessee. Yeah,
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 2: and then was released by the Titans. So maybe some
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 2: interest there on the tight ends on Jacoby Myers. I'm
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 2: glad somebody called in and asked the question. It does
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 2: seem like Dad's died down maybe a little bit about
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 2: Jacob Myers's trademarket, if there ever was one. My whole
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 2: take on Jacoby Myers, and I said this yesterday on
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 2: PU Alex, is that if you just want to say,
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 2: just get the best receivers and to get the best
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 2: talent on this roster full stop, I don't care about
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 2: redundancies and positions and z's and x's and all, then fine.
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 2: I'm not gonna sit here and argue with you because
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 2: I also like Jacoby Myers. But but that being said,
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 2: two of your biggest engines of your offense right now
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 2: are Stefan Diggs and Pop Douglas. And I think there's
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 2: a ton of positional overlap with Jacoby Myers and those
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 2: two guys. And I don't necessarily look at Jacobi Myers
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 2: and say that he's really what you need at the
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 2: receiver position. If this was the Jacoby Myers of outside
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 2: the numbers X receivers that can get down the field,
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 2: then I would be more all in on that.
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 1: I mean, Stefan Diggs.
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 2: Well, Stefan Diggs, but like Sefon Diggs canna play the
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 2: Z and I don't think he's gonna get that many
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 2: outside the numbers.
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 1: Oh no, I thought you meant like if it was
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 1: that version of Diggs.
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, right, sure, Yeah, uh that as well, you could
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 2: play Pop and Digs and Myers together. I just think
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 2: that you really lack a true outside the numbers speed
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 2: and ball winner out there with that group. I think
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 2: it's a slower group compared to what they really want
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 2: to be. So long winded answer, but I guess they
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 2: kind of signed Stefon Diggs to play the Jacobe Myers
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 2: role within the offense. So if they then go ahead
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  Speaker 2: and trade for Jacoby Myers, I'm not really sure how
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 2: the two of those guys fit together. Someone's gonna end
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  Speaker 2: up playing on the outside too much, is my fear
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  Speaker 2: with that, And that person is probably not going to
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  Speaker 2: be used to the best of his abilities and therefore
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  Speaker 2: not going to have the production that they're being paid
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  Speaker 2: to have that they were acquired to have. And so
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  Speaker 2: I think right now they might have too much redundancy
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  Speaker 2: in the wide receiver room for Jacoby Myers.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Look, I'm with you, like, you can't turn down
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  Speaker 1: good players. But if you start taking targets away from Digs,
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  Speaker 1: what does that do for him? I don't think this
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 1: is about Pop Douglas. Now is there a way you
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  Speaker 1: can get all three of them on the field. Maybe
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  Speaker 1: you're playing Digs out of position or at his old
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  Speaker 1: position at the X, so there's complications that come with that.
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  Speaker 1: In an ideal world, I think you'd wait a couple
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  Speaker 1: of weeks, see how things pan out, and maybe if
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  Speaker 1: Digs doesn't look right off the knee or guys are hurt,
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 1: and you re engage the conversations, now he may get
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 1: dealt or signed extension before then. But I just he's
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 1: not that Terry McLaurin level of player, right that you're
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  Speaker 1: looking for. And I think at a certain point you
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  Speaker 1: just got to go in and see what you have.
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  Speaker 1: He definitely gives you a higher floor than Diggs does.
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  Speaker 1: But at this point they need to take a shot
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  Speaker 1: at wide receiver. I'll take the ceiling with Diggs, yeah,
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 1: because they know what Digs looks.
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  Speaker 2: Like right right, And it's a good point just in
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 2: terms like, yeah, the talent is the talent. And if
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 2: you again, like I said, if you just are in
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 2: the school of thought that I just want to take
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 2: the talent and fine, But I do think that in
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 2: this case it's a little bit more complicated than that.
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  Speaker 2: And I definitely feel like you want to see this
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 2: through with Stefon Diggs. And in order to see it
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  Speaker 2: through truly with Stefon Diggs, I think you have to
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 2: play him at the Z and he has to be
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 2: a high volume guy because if he's not getting his
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 2: targets and he's not running the route tree that he
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 2: needs to be running, then this can go south on
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 2: them with Stefon Diggs. And I worry about that with
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 2: Admyer's involvement there. If it was Terry McLaurin that level
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 2: of player, you figure it out. If it was a
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 2: true outside the numbers guy, then you take that guy
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 2: and it's complimentary and it works out. It's just not
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 2: the case here with Myers. All Right, Ken is in Florida?
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 2: What's up? Ken? Ken? Ken? Going? Once? All right? Ken,
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 2: you can call back in. We have five more minutes
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 2: on the show. So if you call back in, can
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 2: can I can I humor you with something real quick?
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 2: So Curtis and Saint Louis has a bone to pick
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 2: with you, and most of the time it's bones to
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 2: pick with me. So I'm glad that this is happening.
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  Speaker 2: Uh So he is very disappointed that you wag your
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 2: finger at fantasy football fans and the fantasy football community.
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 2: So he's gonna say this is what he has to say.
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  Speaker 2: Uh you, I'm trying to like parse this down because
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 2: it's a lot of words. I generally agree with you your
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  Speaker 2: points and takes. You've been my guy. But when you
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 2: come out out and say fantasy players are not real fans,
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 2: that is a huge slap in the face. Do you
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 2: think that fantasy people are not real fancy all right
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 2: over there?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's like some bug jumping around on me. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I think there are people who play fantasy football who
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 1: are real football fans. I'm not saying all fantasy football
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 1: players aren't. I think there are some people who play
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 1: fantasy football who think that alone qualifies them as and
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  Speaker 1: not a football fan in the sense that I enjoy
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 1: watching the NFL, I mean a fan of the sport itself.
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  Speaker 1: I think there are some people that play fantasy football
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  Speaker 1: that they know the quarterbacks, the running backs, the wide receivers,
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  Speaker 1: and the tight ends and that's it. And they you know,
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 1: they know the numbers and they don't maybe know what's
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 1: behind those numbers, how they get there and things like that.
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 1: That's the group I'm more talking to. There. There are obviously,
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 1: like real football fans who play fantasy football.
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  Speaker 2: So I think what in general is maybe this is
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 2: kind of what you're getting at. I think what's what
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 2: bothers me a little bit about the fantasy community is
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 2: that they basically take the trenches out of their thinking.
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 1: And the defense entirely.
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  Speaker 2: Well yeah, but like specifically, I would say the I
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 2: feel like if you only pay attention to fantasy and
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  Speaker 2: that's how you base all your takes off of just
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 2: fantasy football. I'm not saying this is everybody. I'm just
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 2: saying people that do that, then to you, acquiring wide
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  Speaker 2: receivers and running backs and tight ends is the only
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 2: thing that matters.
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  Speaker 1: And these are the people I'm talking to.
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  Speaker 2: Whereas when you talk about what we talk about on
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 2: this show, like the true x's and o's and the
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 2: true scheme in minutia of football, the most important thing
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 2: in football, and I will continue to pound the table
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 2: for this besides quarterback is offensive and defensive line play,
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 2: the game is won and lost there. Now, the quarterback
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 2: is the biggest factor. Everybody knows that. But besides the quarterback,
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 2: your offensive and defensive lines is the biggest factor. Now,
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 2: you could have a quarterback, as I can already hear Paul,
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 2: who's probably not listening, but if he was listening, he
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 2: would say, well, the Chiefs had a bad offensive line
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 2: last year and they still made it to the super Bowl. Yes,
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 2: if you have Patrick Mahomes quarterback and your team, then
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 2: you can make up for it. But more times than not,
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 2: you do not have Patrick Mahomes and so therefore your
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 2: offensive and defensive line really is the engine of your
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 2: football team. That is the foundation of your football team.
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 2: I think that sets the floor of what you can
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 2: be as a team besides the quarterback. If you don't
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 2: have that figured out and buttoned up, then it's hard,
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 2: it's hard times to be really truly competitive in this league.
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 2: So I do feel like sometimes the fantasy community does
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 2: sort of turn that into you know, the only thing
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 2: that matters is wide receivers, right, it's wide receiver ones.
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 2: It's you know, running backs. Overvaluing running backs and not
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 2: paying enough attention to the trenches there. All right, we're
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 2: gonna have to wrap up the show. And okay, so
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 2: we do have one claim. We do have one claim
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 2: by the Patriots. We have two minutes to break down
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 2: one claim. The Patriots did a little bit of breaking
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 2: news here at the end. According to Field Yates, the
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 2: Patriots have a claimed quarterback, Tommy DeVito, off of waivers.
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 2: So Tommy DeVito, the pies on himself, the chicken cutletman,
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 2: Tommy DeVito coming to the New England Patriots. You have
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 2: one minute to react to this, Alex and I have
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 2: one minute. What do you got?
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 1: I got to hope they opened it up between him
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 1: and Dobbs. Let's see. Yeah, it'll be behind closed doors.
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 1: We won't see.
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  Speaker 2: But it's a great point this is.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think do you think he could pass Dobbs
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 1: QB two?
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 2: I do. I do think he could push Dobs for
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 2: QB two. I think he's more consistent, I think he's
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 2: more accurate quarterback compared to Josh Dobbs. His being in
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 2: Brian Dables offense, which is very very similar to the
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 2: offense that Josh McDaniels runs, I think is a big deal.
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 2: Reason why they've made this claim having a guy that
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 2: basically ninety five percent of the offense that he was
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 2: running in the Giants is the same as the offense
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 2: that they're running here, So there shouldn't be too much
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 2: in terms of picking up on the scheme and all
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. Tommy DeVito claimed by the Patriots
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 2: off of waivers. He will be on the fifty three
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 2: man roster. This is not a practice squad situation. He
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 2: will be on the fifty three man rosters. So to
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 2: your point about challenging backup quarterback, I think that says
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 2: it all right there. If they just signed Ben Lurris,
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 2: if they just signed Taylor al Gerzma to the practice squad,
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 2: then it's just a practice arm, right. This seems like
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 2: more than a practice arm. They put in a waiver
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 2: claim for Tommy DeVito, and they awarded Tommy DeVito. So
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 2: we'll have more on Tommy DeVito and the Patriots waiver claims.
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 2: I haven't heard of any other ones just yet, but
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 2: we'll break those down for you tomorrow on Patriots Unfiltered.
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 2: We got to go on this show, but thanks so
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 2: much for watching, Thanks so much for listening.
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 1: Another claim, Charles Woods defensive back week.
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 2: We'll get to those next week and we'll be on
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 2: Ten to Do next week on Wednesdays. We'll keep you
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 2: updated on that on social media, but until then, signing off,
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 2: Alex behind the Glass, Alex Barth, Evan Lazara, See you
• 1:54:56
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• 1:55:02
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• 1:55:13
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• 1:55:15
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