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Talks to Peter Cumiskey about his choice of The Romans (1/4) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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Welcome back to hamster with a blunt penknife the Doctor Who
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commentary podcast mr. Peter, hello.
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Hello. I just called you mr.
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Peter, mr. Peter.
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Yes, Pisa. How are you today?
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I'm very well. Thanks and very, very pleased to
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be watching the Romans, which I'm very fond of.
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And I think you are, too. I think it's marvelous, would
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you mind telling other people are telling everybody, sorry.
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Where you poke a stick before? Cuz I know you haven't done a
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lot of this, but you have podcasting before, haven't you?
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Yes, I think I did a couple episodes of to watch who couple
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years ago, so it was defending the gun Fighters and then comes
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surely you were celebrating. Yes.
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Well, celebrating, I think that Mark, Mark and Farah, I can't
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remember whether they were entirely sold but yeah, anything
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Hartnell historical. And then I was came back for the
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underwater Menace, which again, I absolutely adore and you're a
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lot more solid ground. There, weren't you with the pair
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of, I remember with the particular, one with the
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underwater Menace that Mark and Sara, will more salt on it than
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the have been with the gun fires to watch, who you say, I've not
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heard of it, I'll have to give it a listen.
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Yeah, would recommend okay, but not sure about the guy that
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Strange opinions. So yeah, we are heading into
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black and white Doctor Who into William Hartnell Doctor, Who.
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And I got a feeling you're quite keen on black, and white era
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Doctor, Who why is that? So I'm just, I was just
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distracted by hartnell's watering of a plant pot upon a
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pot of plans. Yes, so I started watching all,
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damn it off. Pause it by accident.
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I started watching already. Yes, my wallet account is in a
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beer, really? Yeah, this is where I just talk
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to you at the beginning and then we're, I will literally can't
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you in five seconds? Five, four, three, two, one.
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I'm a my rewinding. Yeah.
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You need to go back to the site of the stalker.
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There we go. Oh I love it.
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The come on! Tell me about your love of black
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and white dogs. Hey, yeah, well, I think it so I
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became a fun in 2005 with Eccleston, watch the first
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series and then went on eBay. Actually, maybe it was before
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the Eccleston series even finished.
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Did the obvious thing of starting series 1 episode 1 with
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the series? Not really knowing quite how
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much to was out there. And again, not really, I think,
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I knew that episodes of missing, but I didn't quite normal.
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The episodes necessarily linked together in the weather.
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The Hartnell Series has our heart or cereals do so.
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Yeah, that was still. When I think most of them were
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released, some of them were released on DVD.
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A lot of them were VHS. So I definitely remember hub
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from the first three stories on VHS and yeah, I just absolutely
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love that era. I think just from a historical
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television history, point of view and I think it's just sort
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Charming, I love the cast and the characters, the two School
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teachers, I love that settle could start to start with
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watching 2005, Christopher X Doctor Who and then watching
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1964, William Hartnell Doctor, Who like that?
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Such a jarring shift of Peter Cushing.
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I think I'd seen little bit of a cushion films so actually I
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possibly expected something a bit closer.
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To sort of colorful cheesiness obviously, without the color.
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And I think I watched a lot of old TV anywhere.
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I think that I was just a very strange sort of per ton of 12
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year old old films, but yeah, I think I was just so fascinated
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and I think another thing that I think there's something about,
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even though that obviously weren't broadcast live about the
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feels like that sometimes. Yes.
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And never The fact that it's a bit rough, the edges but the the
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fact that's the historic walls. I mean I'm a big history Geeks
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or for me if it's an asteroid or instant win and you know what,
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right we've with especially William Hartnell Doctor, Who one
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of the things I just love is there's no formula at this point
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so they try everything and they have you watched the entirety of
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William Hartnell dogs who or just gets to be picked?
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Watch everything I've watched. Just go everywhere.
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Then they like you just never know from week to week.
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One week, you're on the sense. Fear the next week you're on the
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planet V is the next week. You know, you're having fun and
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War Games with Saladin the next week.
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You'll with Nero in Rome, like and all done in the corner of
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lime, Grove students in up to production wise as well.
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I think it's all over the place in a good way in terms of
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experimentation with like something like Dalek invasion of
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Earth, they want of location work and then the sort of
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puzzle, In on the camera. And I remember having the sort
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of double Park VHS of the rescue and the Romans, which you
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always, oh yeah, everybody in the head has that as a minute
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that it was produced as one one block, wasn't it?
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And then you got the 2-part, followed by the full partner but
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for me, I think that it's essentially other.
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I mean, throw what you say about the The fact that it's so
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eclectic and everything, but it seems to settle down a bit more
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as a formula. From, when Susan leaves are feel
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at least for a short time. I was finding that the first
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series is anything goes the second series, they like doing
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Blockbusters aren't they like right, we're a success.
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Now, do ya, nors garlic invasion of Earth?
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The web Planet, the chase. You know I'm alone which is also
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pull it off but they have a go. Yeah and I think that obviously
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this is the first sort of friend who in there.
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Like comedy, and it's a very different sort of historical to
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what we've had before. I think the Vicki has, well I
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think just the inclusion of Vicki, Maureen O'Brien or I'm at
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Maureen O'Brien or should I oh, she was lovely.
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I mean, this was only about nine nine months ago, ish in
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pandorica, the, the convention in Sheffield, which is
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brilliant. And I never really went to
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conventions, but all sides. Pick a person.
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It's it's Maureen O'Brien. So we did you see more in
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O'Brien or course you did. You're a dog who fat in the
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Blu-ray, release the the advert for it.
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So, yes. So that was very exciting.
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That was hot that day. It was gorgeous.
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Yeah, and I think it's a love a love that.
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You never know what's going to come with those trailers.
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I think we're with my cut encounter with a was actually
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out of football. I've got a foot on the wall here
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somewhere of a million Maureen, O'Brien and cook William.
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And then I fought with her and Peter and then I got the
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quillion for tour signed and I remember I was chewing up and
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she was like, well, if you got the photo yet and the ignore
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haven't been that many of those conventions or anything, I think
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that the vibe I get is that she was always a bit distant from
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that scene. But now I think, I think she was
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quite honest with Just how to sort of embrace that especially
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the smaller events like that. And I think long-term ones, you
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know, she went along to one out of being out of fandom for
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years, and she has written a few books, and she was very honest.
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And she went, well, quite a few books to sell.
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So this far for me, I mean, I think, I think she was very, I
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think the fact that the Peter was there, like you said, they
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hadn't seen each other. Since I think it might have been
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the 2013 Excel and then I might be wrong there, but I think she
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said that that's what that particular event is what sort of
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made an Embrace. I think those conventions a lot
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when window on that because you've got the actors going
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along. I want to make a bark and fair
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enough and then you've got the fans going along who are just
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desperate to have their moment within.
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So everyone's a winner. Everyone comes away smiling.
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Yeah, and I love the hearing their insights into I'm ever
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one. Remember Peter purves tomorrow.
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No. But I'm asked, what had they
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seen much of the new series and moral Drive Bone.
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O'Brien said that she'd seen, I think she'd only watch drawers,
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and she absolutely loved it. And she said something about she
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was, she was singing the Praises of Eccleston without me having
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realized, I think by then she'd recorded a big finish with him.
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Well, I think I think she's playing a giant spider, like tap
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dancing spider or something? I hear, he's out now, isn't it?
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Yeah, that's yeah. And pick a Purvis was saying
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that I think he'd watched. Yeah, the rules.
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And then he'd watched, he said, I watched the first a 3D film in
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an audience for the 50th. So I did the doctor and he said
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it and yes, he was quite, he didn't have positive opinions on
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almost, always getting on a bit loud.
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Is quite fast. Paced, you know, I mean, I think
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they dropped, if you, if you haven't seen the episode since
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rules, you might have just been a bit perplexed.
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Possibly, I feel that every time I watch the Steven, Moffat
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script River Song is years, was he somebody who we're never
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going to meet in a convention, and that is William Hartnell.
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Unfortunately, a who is absolutely on forming this
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story. And that is the governor is
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there is the boss. He's the first doctor, he's
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great. Another, yeah, I love that.
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We see See a side of him with this, that I think he's, he's
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absolutely loving the comedies, loving the material, he's going
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and we'll talk about this a lot more, but I think I just it
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changes from being that the sort of the, the five doctors the
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sort of the perception of the fifth of the first doctor, being
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sort of, irascible, and grumpy and everything.
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And this, these completely unrecognizable from what he is
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in Early Child, really. I think the whole season is
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whole season 2 He's learned to relax a little bit and then,
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Maureen, O'Brien comes in a absolutely falls in love with
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her and the pair of them together in this like a pair of
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school kids to soar naughty, yeah.
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Brilliant. I've just thought I will get 0
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Roger but the pit where he says that in a barbecue either what
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you're insinuating I can't go off on my come on go come on
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child off we go. Yeah I love it.
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When he tells Vicki that she's going, they're going to Roman's
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just like mix, like a squeak. Like I'm really excited Square.
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It's basically like you and me, if we would have Doctor Who
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story, you know, we all Vicki and you know, I hate when, I
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promise we will start the singing the day I did say to you
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on a messenger, this does contain one of my favorite
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all-time favorite line readings and Doctor Who, and that is
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hartnell's deadpan. Kill me here.
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Oh, I beg your, pardon, he learns the plot that he's
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embroiled in ice just Sublime. What?
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See what should we watch the thing?
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Yes, let's do a nun. AAA a second time.
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Yes, okay, I'll see what I can do is in charge.
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Let's do that 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 off we go.
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You see my favorite hot? No historical.
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I think it's my favorite haunt historical.
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I'm able to watch. I think.
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What's in it? Maybe maybe it's time to do it.
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Maybe it's time with the Aztecs. Oh yeah.
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Sexy. Even even those two just saw
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such a different Beast. It is like comparing like chalk
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and cheese and that, they're only like, I don't know, I've
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had the Aztecs is I feel like it's like plotted to the hill,
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isn't it? Like it's, there's lots going on
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there more complexity and also all All that but this right of
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something that people level at 60 stops who are law, is there
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is slow and I think Dennis gonna get something absolutely right
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in this in the he gives a plot and doctor and Vicki to Ian and
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Barbara and we cut back from one to another to another every
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single episode. So it feels really Pacey.
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Yeah. It's a weird that I think
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obviously the three companions has been done and like before
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this and since this. And I think that the way of
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splitting the Worry pops wasn't the case with I don't know the
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name and shame. Yeah.
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Well yes it just it feels like these are just such like well
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drawn out characters and all of them with yeah I fell as well.
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Do. Like they've got fantastic
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chemistry, all of them you know and how when do we ever get to
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just chill out likes? It is one load.
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It's all like Jarring in a good way like I'll be like oh right,
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okay here we are but that's the time job which is unusual.
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I want going from the Tardis fallen over to there.
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Yeah. And of course I remember that
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the the video chairs of the rescue cut out the Cliffhanger.
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Oh I so it ends with it ends before it materializes on the
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cliff top because it was that all thing of when the release
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the VHS others, even though we really was in a double The get
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rid of the Cliffhangers on the next episode when it was leading
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into a different stories that the sort of stood alone, will
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you say double pack? There was a total cheat, you
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know, because there was a couple where they introduced, where
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they release VHS is, where was six episodes on one type.
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I could do it together keys of marinus, that was another one.
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Now being conned of our money, that's what it was telling that
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was the pot because I was getting the VHS is when the dog
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that all being released. I mean, this was 2005, So there
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were very weirdly Prime Ambani beer, you'd be paying like a
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heck of a lot of money for the time monster and then you'd pick
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up. I don't know.
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As an upset seven-part or something for the next to
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nothing. So what this thing was a weird
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thing about those VHS releases was just came out all over the
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place, yella Hartnell and then, you know Davison, then you had a
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McCoy was super, the DVDs to an extent, they gave.
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Yeah, that's what the DVDs of possibly to a bit more curated.
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In terms of I've read that there had an endgame of least five
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years in the end. The new that the last one was
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going to be Terror of the zygons.
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You know, that's very funny about both.
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VHS is I'm the DVDs is that invasion of the dinosaurs?
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Was one of the last ones released for both the VHS as if
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as if that story is so bad. Well Envision that I think it's
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a double whammy I think the one Black and White episode and
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hoping that it's surmountable by the time they get to the end of
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the range. Well did you see that colorized
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version of it? Yeah it wasn't it like colorized
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it was done via the system that did the whole lot mind of evil
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through so I don't think was actually Be colorized, was it
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was with the dots. Yeah, it was very I think you do
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with the dot. I prefer to watch it in black
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and white. I saw one, well, it's very
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telling that I think that's the special fit.
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The special feature is the colored version, whereas if you
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play it through, I think that might versions the default.
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Damn fact that they just, they're just about to go off.
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Oh no, hang on, they haven't gone off.
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You have like this is all them. Got a room yet, there's my key
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and Barbara going to the market. Yes, and Ian and the doctor Just
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chilling out back in the village Just Chillin.
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But yeah. And speaking of children here,
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like I said that when on the VHS you go in at the Romans Tardis,
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top was off a cliff, that's the start of the story and then
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suddenly you like right we like a month later, presumably with
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the just nestled in there. Pretty sure I'd love to.
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Hey I think there is a like a big novel things called
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Byzantium set in between. Don't do it, don't read it.
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I'm really okay. It's written by Keith topic and
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honestly It's Been a Good Year to sex and violence as they had
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a want to do back then in with the roots.
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Hmm. It's a very different portrayal
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of the Romans to the right. Oh, I'd love to or maybe that
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means that it's probably be careful what you wish for, but
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it's it's very intriguing thinking, right?
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Well, the top it off the cliff. I'd love to see them getting out
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and being like, oh, well oh well.
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Oh, what the hell have? I been up to for the last four?
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Yeah, and then when they stumble upon this, Villa and they just
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decide to like squat in a, I refused to Blink that this these
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for troublemakers, the dr. Ian Barbara and Susan managed to
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just chill out for four months, four months, four weeks, even
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Susan. I think, I think in a way
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though, I think it's Vicky Vicky is that extra thing, which I
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like as well. Maybe there would be chilling a
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bit more with the Susan and Vicki is even all the doing
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exactly the same. Thing in the plot was probably
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presumably story lined as a Susan story, I don't know.
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But you tell me that why does Maureen O'Brien as Vicki work so
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well? Whereas I don't know what?
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That's a good word to say how Carolyn Ford and Susan anymore.
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I think it's not Carolyn Ford. I think it's the, it's Vicki
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just loves being there. And traveling I think Susan has
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all this angst. And she, she has a Phobias,
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doesn't she? So there's a lot of things that
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she's scared of that era when she's in that sale rafts.
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Oh, yeah, she's screaming her head off and shit.
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And there's the rats and the screaming jungle, she doesn't
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like the noise was just grabbing a reddish, just go.
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Yeah, I feel like Vicki, like, if Vicky was too freaked out,
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you know, you know, you know, that things are bad.
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I like Vicky and Space Museum, you know, when she comes, right,
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I'm going to start with Ellucian he said let's break out the
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gums, you know, just yeah. It's just She just she's so
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joyous. I think her will see her with
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obviously Hartnell. And it's that whole thing with,
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I always prefer the companions who just really want to be there
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and really enjoy it. You know.
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Also, are you looking for an unusual contrast from the season
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to Vicki is I find from Perry to mail in the safety options when
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you got peruggia's wenge energy levels, the be there as you're
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supposed to go back to the tireless and then mail comes
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along and Terror voice and she's up for the adventure.
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She's, you know, Investigated in all the rooms and she, and it's
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just so refreshing. It's a breath of fresh air, and
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I think it's sort of like, it takes away.
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A bit of a barrier at the story. If there isn't somebody there
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who's finding up there, he is with us.
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That's Maximus. Battalion isn't?
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It actually was patella famous lyre player Quorum.
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I was watching this with the production subtitles on
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apparently he was only about 60 to.
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We look so tiny, man. Yeah.
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You see this fellow here? The assassin?
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Yes, he comes back. Doesn't it?
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Do you know what? Bro, we plays later on in Doctor
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Who turns into a Volga planned. I wanna see.
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Oh, is he into a bush and stabbed to
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death? I mean, but by another man who's
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had his tongue chopped out, But, I do like that about this, you
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know, it is blissfully funny this, but there is a bit of an
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edge to it. There's a scene later on, where
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Nero's stabs the Centurion and pulls out, and then you get see
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the blade with the blood on it, and then he just makes a comedy
21:15
line. He goes, we didn't fight hard
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enough, but yeah, it's just very like, Gallows, dog humor.
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But it doesn't sound too violent or too dark, because it's sort
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of Sorry how campus hot? No happiness.
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My dear, absolute X and takes. William Russell says, in the
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documentary I was watching earlier that Dennis Spooner came
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in and he added all this humor and he said to suddenly the
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dialogue was just so sayable because it was how people
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actually talk to that great joke in a minute where he goes all
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Chesterfield. It's just a turn up.
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No, Barbara wants you, you know that it's really, really funny.
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Oh, so you're I could watch this.
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I could watch this. Those The Forum just hanging
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about having a bit of food. Oh, but I picture them being
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just as chummy in like the BBC. Come to, what?
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No. Do you know what they used to
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do? I do, I want to know he got a
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chance. So here's what this Bunch your
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filthy mind elsewhere. Spread it all out and have a bit
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of luxury. So it would be like this in real
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life. The sets are quite noisy, do you
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know? I've never noticed, but he's
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eating like, Maureen O'Brien. She's eating a real Apple.
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Whereas Susan Duncan version of Earth.
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There's that whole thing where she's every time she's gone a
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bit bite. An apple.
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She's distracted. It's one of those like plastic,
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proper apples, brother, frightened, they're threatened
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with that. He's getting, he's packing his
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grips and doctors off. And I love the fact that I treat
23:08
him like this happens, a couple Of times in the first two
23:10
seasons where he wants to go off.
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And they, oh my God, we got keep an eye on him.
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Like, he's gonna get into trouble, but he hasn't even
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planned. He's just like, yeah, I'm off to
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room and then Vicki's just like in the story.
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It's about the whole thing. So you love it as well when they
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get to Rome, right? And they realize they're in the
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middle of this conspiracy plot. They're just loving that as
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well. They like I'm gonna go from find
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out. I'll fix that was Vicky squeal.
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I love that she's great. She froze like still going
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strong. Yeah.
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You know, what can you, please make a comment in a second
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because there are some people that say that you know Barbara
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are post-coital in a minute when they're sitting around blissed
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out on yes. Roman any thoughts I think I was
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talking about this with your partner yesterday.
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What was she watched us? This first episode in?
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Ian and Barbara, I think it it from writer to writer the
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intention. I think changes.
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Yeah, I agree. And I think that I think this is
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a there's us, there's, obviously, Their chemistry.
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There's a lot of chemistry and the Very like player for.
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I don't think there was any hanky-panky in the toddler's,
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but I think that definitely, I love the idea that they sort of
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that relationship blossomed. Yeah, what happens in.
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Rome stays in the stairs and worlds never mentioned.
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Yeah, another thing as well, that's really sophisticated
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about this script is how the jokes.
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There's like a Delayed pay off in some of the jokes.
24:55
So in the middle, when the, when the slave Traders come in and
25:00
it's Barbara as much as the party.
25:01
Yes. Yes.
25:03
Hello. That is just hilarious because
25:04
even the, what's the, What's the phrase that Ian says Enlighten L
25:08
Temper Temper. Whatever she says that again, in
25:12
final episode and it's like, like right normalities resume.
25:15
Now, the back. But isn't that isn't that when
25:18
he learned in the last episode that, she hit him over the head
25:21
because you're responsible, For yes.
25:23
Yeah. We're gonna ship and all of
25:25
this. Oh, look at, oh, don't look.
25:27
Don't look so different with the hair.
25:29
Just slightly I live, I love this in historical Doctor Who's
25:36
that? You get to get a make them up a
25:38
bit differently. Didn't like that.
25:40
So that's one thing I love about the heart and as well that ee
25:43
obviously loves the dress and open I think well the character
25:46
loves the dressing up and I think it's not something you
25:49
always get in live here. Has I don't know too much about
25:55
hartnell's pre Doctor. Who career.
25:57
Have you done a lot of Comedy? I know you've done some, it was
26:00
like just carry on sergeant. But yeah, I mean, to be honest.
26:04
I mean, the only thing I've really seen a moment.
26:07
Brighton Rock, always be nice. He is busy A Gangster, he's just
26:12
very strange saying William Hartnell but like like slightly
26:16
less all looking and remembering his lines.
26:20
Yes because it was on film so you refuse this gag about the
26:26
fridge. Oh yes, yeah, there's another
26:30
one that's called back again. When he turns it on her in the
26:34
final episode to get hurt. Look in the fridge.
26:40
But he's also to go when he says very funny, very exams pissed.
26:44
As a fart don't like the one that like normally is pretty
26:49
good enough fire but he gets taken quite easily by the end.
26:54
Yeah, these don't seem like the most sort of fearsome,
27:00
especially I've never got the the I think it might be this bit
27:02
here. The guy with the beard.
27:05
Hmm. The sort of Junior of the to
27:08
slave Traders, what he keeps missing a Scabbard.
27:11
What's all that about dramatic effect?
27:14
I'm not sure what. Yeah, I do.
27:16
Is it trying to show that he's an apt?
27:17
I mean yeah I don't know. All I see is on a scar.
27:21
This is yeah this is the scene as and I am.
27:23
Just a day off. I'm telling you, we fall out A
27:28
Moment Like This you lied about afterwards, maybe not with a
27:33
Roman goblet. I don't think there's enough but
27:40
I love that as well. Exactly inhaled you know what,
27:50
like there's very little like interview footage of Jack and I
27:55
think there's one convention that she went to.
27:57
It was filmed. It's on one of the DVDs man.
28:02
She was good as Barbara there, wasn't she?
28:04
Hmm. I was reading I read the
28:08
biography about her. That was published a couple of
28:10
years ago by some independent publisher.
28:15
And but how let's just start it off, she worked like Cadbury's,
28:20
I think some other convictions who worked in the factory
28:25
because I think a family like said you've gotta leave school.
28:28
You can't you got to like earn a living or whatever and sure I
28:33
can Factory and then she ended up with obviously Alvin Rockoff
28:39
breaks. I wasn't it?
28:40
Yeah. And I read his memoirs a month
28:45
or two ago, it's called I'm just the guy who says action I think
28:52
it's about. It's very like chuckling Hills
28:57
mentioned quite often but as a sort of him getting home and
29:01
then her giving Pearls of Wisdom sort of thing, right?
29:05
And it's all about him working for the BBC and the 50s and 60s
29:08
and about him. She recommended Sean Connery.
29:16
For Sean Connery's. First big break really multiple
29:20
for Connery's Bond. Oh yeah the end so Jaclyn Hill
29:22
and Sean Connery stards I think it's called a Requiem for a
29:26
heavyweight which is I think missing now.
29:29
But yeah she she suggested I think it was something like The
29:39
casting decision was up to him and she went we can't we can't
29:42
cast some Scottish cup. He said like he can't even make
29:48
out what he's saying. He would casting her as an
29:49
American and gently. He was just like yeah.
29:52
But if you seen him like the the women are absolutely love them.
29:56
And I think that was it. I think he just took her advice
29:58
when Jackie other one of the best stories I ever heard about
30:01
was from Ann Davies who play Jenny in Dorothea, they became
30:05
like busy mace. And when she had her children
30:09
she stop acting. So she came out of acting for
30:12
like a decade or so. And she realized she'd been out
30:18
too long and it's really hard to make your mark again afterwards.
30:22
And apparently, and Davis goes on, well, I'll see what our
30:25
fancy doing this open University and she was one of these go,
30:27
let's get it done. People jacking, here she goes,
30:30
right through all the brochures, she signed us up within a day.
30:33
We were there doing it by the end of the week.
30:35
She sounds like an incredible woman.
30:37
Nobody in their production. If you speak to anyone, William
30:40
Russell Carolyn for nobody has got a bow both say about 11.
30:47
There's a very good mythmakers documentary that's about Jaclyn
30:52
Hill. Hmm interviewing paranoia and I
30:56
mean I'm a bit sad that of all things for a comeback thought
31:01
was my glass as much as I mean, I quite like megawatts, it's
31:03
fine. It does feel like you're sort of
31:07
Wasting Jacqueline Hilbert. Do you see how she behaves in
31:10
that? She just sort of gets shot
31:12
doesn't stand in the way of Ramana but I think that you can
31:15
tell it's probably filmed it 9:58 and then yeah.
31:19
Just getting from that gun. All right.
31:24
And as well I think I think it's just the it's maybe maybe it's a
31:29
good thing that we muscle wasn't available from Waldron and dead
31:33
because the probably wouldn't I mean he would have probably
31:37
mentioned Barbara and her haven't seen her in years or
31:40
something. Yeah and if I don't know there's
31:44
there is that influences their that in the rusty Davis, was it
31:48
death of the doctor? Yeah, the server Jen.
31:52
Yeah, about the haven't is the coupling Cambridge.
31:57
I see what? Yeah, he aged a fair bit there
31:59
between that. Yeah, I mean, obviously caught
32:02
up with them Barbara's at home. You love the fact that so Vicki
32:08
in the dr. Cabot stumble across this body
32:10
in the bush. Okay, and then he's immediately.
32:14
Miss instead of just go know you've this is a case of
32:16
mistaken. Identity is Iraq.
32:18
Come on, we're going to get involved.
32:21
It's so no way. I love it.
32:24
I love it. I can't remember the name of the
32:26
guys in person and there's well your jacket off and you're
32:29
right. I was watching this without the
32:31
dialogue. He's got a Christmas in this,
32:33
isn't he? He could have armed with.
32:38
Maximus Battalion, the music in this music during some of the
32:46
fights over comic music. You've ever heard that fight
32:52
scene in episode 20. It's just Priceless.
32:56
Who's the fighter? Who's the Fighting episode 2?
32:58
I'll try it without the way. It's not really much of a fight.
33:00
It's there there. Assassin coming in to get the
33:04
doc. Oh yes, of course, you in the
33:06
very beginning of episode 2. Yeah, it gets tossed, out of a
33:08
window is hilarious. I will do a bit of quote in
33:13
length. I love the dialogue, so you read
33:15
the black archive on this tin you or you've perused it.
33:19
Yes, I'll read it a couple years ago when I think when I first
33:21
came out and then I perused it before watching this.
33:24
And yet it does make a point of the fact that this was obviously
33:28
the first serious like comedy story.
33:32
Obviously there's been stories with comedy in it before, but I
33:34
think this is the first one way is built around the comedy.
33:38
I mean as you I think you pointed out before like the so
33:41
much dark stuff happening in it, it's all men getting killed in
33:44
the bushes and everything, but All of that is sort of like
33:49
spring all the waste, just the comedy and the, it would be a
33:53
very different story. If it was played straight first
33:57
shot, in fact, James Moran, who wrote fires of Pompeii.
34:01
So that's like the ROM story in the new theories or Roman Empire
34:06
story. He says that like the bit where
34:09
teacher lioness is poisoned by Nero, is this poisonous,
34:13
tigellinus try this, and then he dies because you know, this Also
34:17
played for Laughs. This would be so long.
34:21
And you hear of like little stories, especially in the East,
34:23
where it's been written comedic, and then it's played straight.
34:26
I think the Leisure Hive might have been one and I think that
34:31
this is a one-way, could really be like, I mean, that the reign
34:35
of terror is quite Bleak. And even though there's some
34:38
comedy in that and I think it all just depends partly on the
34:41
director and you can go the other way as well.
34:43
I think Paradise Towers is written fairly seriously and is
34:47
played. Mmm like a fart.
34:50
Richard Rose, yeah, totally it's all a bit strange but it is
34:56
quite serious. He enough, sir and Barbara is
35:00
actually said taken to a market in a minute, isn't she?
35:02
And I suppose it's their story. Line is the serious storyline
35:05
with. I mean, Ricky and the doctor on
35:08
the periphery of the serious stuff happening.
35:10
But there's is basically the anything anything that has Nero
35:14
in. They get all the best thing is
35:16
going to be comedy. Yeah, the bit later on when He's
35:20
in the sauna with Arnel. Hmm and it keeps waving The
35:25
Sword in his face. It's just anything with hard or
35:31
more in our brightest gold. Hey, what's occurring here?
35:35
Oh, that's why I say saying, right?
35:36
You didn't murder Maximus, Battalion, go and get to it.
35:41
Hmm. Yeah, talks what he's done.
35:44
What we see 8 is that his tongue cut out for whatever reason she
35:48
didn't refer to it again like that, it's pretty dark in here.
35:52
Hmm, it's new Assassin. This is bizarre Cliffhanger of
35:56
that. Like it's not the moment of
35:58
Jeopardy is the suspense that the Jeopardy is coming.
36:01
Yes, yeah. I love this.
36:05
I love the the music here, as well as I do.
36:24
How do you think that thing as a scene setter?
36:28
I think it's great. I think that the set I think It
36:33
changes gears, it becomes more even more comedic.
36:36
I think when we get to rule. But yeah, I think it definitely
36:42
sets the scene. Well, I've heard a lot of people
36:44
say that a lot of the comedy is contained in episode 3.
36:49
Hmm, But I'd say that is some of the more uncomfortable comedy.
36:55
In this story it's certainly I'm going to say the word rapist
36:59
episode of Doctor Who yes, yes. There has ever been And I will
37:05
get that. We will talk about that when we
37:06
get there because this was a different time.
37:09
This was the time of carry on with beans and about all over
37:12
the place and things like that. But I think you're right.
37:15
I think the comedy is Pace throughout the entire story.
37:20
Yeah. Nothing that when you say about
37:21
how the characters are split up, I think the tone as well is you
37:28
know when the doctor turns up in this story that's going to be a
37:31
light scene. Yeah.
37:33
And yet, you know that I mean Ian Ian and Barbara prefer
37:37
really put through the ringer in this story.
37:39
They must know. Every time I go back in time
37:40
now. Fuck sake.
37:41
You know Jesus. No, I'll go through the ringer
37:44
now. I mean she's a barber in the
37:46
Crusade. Yeah, I mean that's still the
37:49
comforter, isn't it? I mean that's very much still.
37:51
I into the rescue and that. Yeah.
37:55
Well she's dragging in front of Ella quiere.
37:57
He says to her death is the or was it.
38:00
Yeah. The only pleasure left for you
38:02
is deaf. And If is very far away.
38:04
Damn, it's dark. That's all right.
38:07
And the amount of I mean yes like in 20 years time Perry has
38:13
a quite bad as well with being listed over by men but Barbara.
38:17
Yeah, I just feel like Barbara as a sort of mature woman, she
38:22
can hold her own and difference between what happens with Perry
38:26
and their stories and barber in. This is I basically think she
38:29
runs rings around Nero despite the fact that she's the one
38:31
problem. Yes.
38:33
Mumbling fall. But yeah, and actually I think
38:36
she does that a lot. She runs.
38:37
I think she uses her intelligence and I think being
38:42
able to tell the mindset of other people.
38:45
Yeah. Well, that's all over fabulous,
38:50
honestly. And I'm glad we saved a bit of
38:52
time to talk about Jaclyn Hill. Should we skip into episode 2?
38:56
Yes, let's start straight off but let's do it.