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The Kenny Report | 13 October · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Live from the Skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you Andrew Clonel. Andrew Clonel their Sky News political editor.
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  Speaker 2: With our role and coverage of events from the Middle East.
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  Speaker 2: This is an historic day. We believe twenty the twenty
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  Speaker 2: remaining living hostages Israeli hostages held by Hamas will be
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  Speaker 2: freed by the end of the day. So far seven
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  Speaker 2: have been freed and are in the hands of the
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  Speaker 2: Red Cross. So there are thirteen more live hostages to
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  Speaker 2: be released today, and there are twenty eight bodies of
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  Speaker 2: dead hostages as well. President Trump is due to arrive
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  Speaker 2: in Israel in the next few minutes. We will take
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  Speaker 2: you to that live when it occurs. We'll also cross
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  Speaker 2: to Israel and cross to other events and other talent
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  Speaker 2: around the country here as we look at these events
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  Speaker 2: and consider their implications for the Middle East, for the world,
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  Speaker 2: and for our own country. If you just joined me,
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  Speaker 2: it's Chris Kenny here with the Kenny Report going on
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  Speaker 2: for the next hour. As we continue here on Sky
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  Speaker 2: News our rolling coverage of the hostage releases in Israel,
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  Speaker 2: as Donald Trump arrives in Bengurion Airport and off to
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  Speaker 2: Jerusalem to cement his peace deal. I'm joined at Sky
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  Speaker 2: News here by Shary Markson. Sky News host Sharry Markson,
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  Speaker 2: who's joined our rolling coverage and Shary tell us about
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  Speaker 2: your personal thoughts about what you've seen unfold today.
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  Speaker 3: Well, Chris, just for viewers who are just tuning in
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  Speaker 3: now for your program, we might mention that seven hostages
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  Speaker 3: have now been handed over from Hamas to the Red
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  Speaker 3: Cross and they are now in the hands of the IDF.
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  Speaker 3: Those seven hostages are presumably in terrible condition. We haven't
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  Speaker 3: heard word of that, but we have been told that
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  Speaker 3: they can all walk independently.
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  Speaker 4: Look, this is.
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  Speaker 3: An incredibly emotional night. The world is watching the release
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  Speaker 3: of these hostages. We'd almost given up hope that they
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  Speaker 3: would be released, that Hermas would let go of their
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  Speaker 3: final leverage. There would fifty hostages, and then gradually over
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  Speaker 3: time the number of living hostages kept falling. Now just
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  Speaker 3: twenty of those fifty are alive, some of them fathers, brothers, boyfriends,
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  Speaker 3: sons so young. So it's going to be just so
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  Speaker 3: incredible when we finally do see them in the arms
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  Speaker 3: of their loved ones, and we know that vision will
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  Speaker 3: be shared on social media right around the world. Their
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  Speaker 3: family members are just waiting to hold them.
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  Speaker 4: For all of us. It means so much. Chris. Every night,
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  Speaker 4: you and I both Chris. Every night.
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  Speaker 3: We have reported on the plight of the hostages for
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  Speaker 3: two years. We have told their stories. We have tried
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  Speaker 3: to make sure Australians remembered why this war began, why
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  Speaker 3: this war couldn't end. The Albanezi government constantly demanded a ceasefire,
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  Speaker 3: called for Israel to withdraw. Never happen until these hostages
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  Speaker 3: were safe and home.
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  Speaker 2: We'll come back to some of those implications later. Sharry,
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  Speaker 2: stay there with us. Vacan Shari Markson. We're going to
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  Speaker 2: continue with the live pictures throughout this program of what's
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  Speaker 2: unfolding in Israel. What you're looking at there is live
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  Speaker 2: pictures of Hostages Square in Tel Aviv. People have been
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  Speaker 2: gathering in this square for two years, the relatives, the friends,
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  Speaker 2: the supporters of hostages, desperate for this day, desperate for
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  Speaker 2: the day when the last of the hostages will be returned.
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  Speaker 2: I want to cross live now to Hostages Square, where
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  Speaker 2: we're joined by Linda ben Venish, who's with the Australian
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  Speaker 2: National Council of Jewish Women. Linda great to talk to you,
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  Speaker 2: let us know if you can hear us and tell
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  Speaker 2: us about what's going on there is. The news must
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  Speaker 2: have broken that seven of the hostages have now been
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  Speaker 2: handed over to the Red Cross.
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  Speaker 5: That's yes, absolutely amazing to speak with Electic seven of
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  Speaker 5: the hospital the Red with the ideas and I know
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  Speaker 5: the family. I now think the photographs of their their children,
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  Speaker 5: their husbands and brothers some incredible here. And really what
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  Speaker 5: I want to say is Jack the woman's media covering
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  Speaker 5: turn away. Then they have never before they have seen
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  Speaker 5: this war as some sort of because you know, a
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  Speaker 5: war for war's stake, but it's not. It's always been
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  Speaker 5: a war for the hostage. This is such a tiny country,
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  Speaker 5: six nine and a half. Everybody knows somebody in the
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  Speaker 5: defense of October seven, and literally we translate the Americans,
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  Speaker 5: seven people were killed to nine and a half thousand
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  Speaker 5: people were taking hostage. Cannot see of the trauma has
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  Speaker 5: created in this society.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and part of the reason the political response in
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  Speaker 2: Israel has been so Fracturedlyn there is course, it's a
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  Speaker 2: vibrant democracy, and some people want to continue to the
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  Speaker 2: war till it's bitter end, to get rid of all
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  Speaker 2: of Hummas. And there are other people who from the
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  Speaker 2: get go have said basically surrender, give Hummas whatever they want,
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  Speaker 2: we just want our hostages back. That's that's been the
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  Speaker 2: divergence of views. And I've heard those views in Hostages
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  Speaker 2: Square earlier this year, where people have so many different
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  Speaker 2: views on how to how to secure the peace and
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  Speaker 2: end the war. But the one thing they're all united
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  Speaker 2: on is they desperate to get the hostages back.
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  Speaker 6: Now.
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  Speaker 2: Sadly, even those people whose loved ones have been killed,
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  Speaker 2: they know they're dead, they're desperate to get their bodies
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  Speaker 2: back just to have a burial. Tell us about that
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  Speaker 2: sentiment that seems to be particularly strong in Israel.
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  Speaker 5: And I will say, I think I think many of
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  Speaker 5: these are square rounds on Saturday night and the chance.
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  Speaker 7: And he's recurring and coming from the.
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  Speaker 5: Station and.
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  Speaker 2: Not left, not right.
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  Speaker 5: Pically, only the hostages.
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  Speaker 8: That's where the focus is.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, all of the coverage sentimental, even the families.
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  Speaker 2: Of getting their.
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  Speaker 5: Lives saying that their hearts are with those they are
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  Speaker 5: not receiving. Incredibly sad it is their story.
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  Speaker 4: There's anger, the.
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  Speaker 5: Fear and anxiety says you know, a sense of disbelief and.
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  Speaker 2: Focus on life time and.
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  Speaker 5: Recognizing that we had to take care of.
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  Speaker 2: And Linda, thanks so much for joining us. We'll try
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  Speaker 2: and keep in touch with you, maybe cross back to
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  Speaker 2: you a little later as we get more news of
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  Speaker 2: hostages being released and President Donald Trump arrives in Israel.
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  Speaker 2: That's Linda ben Manas she's with the National Council of
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  Speaker 2: Jewish Women in Australia. She's the president of that organization.
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  Speaker 2: She's in Tel Aviv, as you've just heard, and she's
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  Speaker 2: sharing with the Israeli people. They're the joy after this
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  Speaker 2: long haul of seven hundred and thirty seven days, two
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  Speaker 2: years and a week, one hundred and five weeks, just extraordinary,
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  Speaker 2: and seven hostage have been freed. I've been talking about
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  Speaker 2: this with Sky News ho Shari Markson, who has been
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  Speaker 2: a lioness for the Jewish community over the past two years.
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  Speaker 2: And Shari, we were talking then about the importance of
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  Speaker 2: getting the hostages back. Now you and I have both
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  Speaker 2: been to Israel and met with hostage families and met
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  Speaker 2: with people closely associated with this, and there's been stories
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  Speaker 2: we've followed along the way, and every victim of this
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  Speaker 2: horrible war is equal, and every story is worth telling,
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  Speaker 2: but sometimes through our personal connections we follow them more closely.
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  Speaker 2: And one story that I've followed closely, one person on
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  Speaker 2: really desperate to see released today is Nimrod Cohen because
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  Speaker 2: I met his mother in Israel earlier this year, and
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  Speaker 2: I had her on the program going back a few weeks.
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  Speaker 2: Nimrod Cohen was in the Israeli military, but he was
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  Speaker 2: in a here we go, hang on, let's go live
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  Speaker 2: to the first pictures here.
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  Speaker 5: No, so, here we go.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to these pictures here, not live. We're replaying
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  Speaker 2: the vision of what occurred. Sorry, we've lost that. Now
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  Speaker 2: we're relying on international feeds. Here. We're going to give
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  Speaker 2: you the best coverage we possibly can. What you saw
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  Speaker 2: a flash off then was live to USK. But these
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  Speaker 2: were pictures shot some time ago, some fifteen or twenty
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  Speaker 2: minutes ago, when the hostages were inside Red Cross vehicles.
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  Speaker 2: In other words, that'd been handed over from Hamas to
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  Speaker 2: the Red Cross, and they have been delivered then by
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  Speaker 2: the Red Cross to the Israeli security forces. We will
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  Speaker 2: get those pictures back if we can, as soon as possible.
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  Speaker 2: But as I was saying, to you, here we go,
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  Speaker 2: here are these pictures these are the first pictures of
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  Speaker 2: the Red Cross vehicles leaving Gaza with the seven freed
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  Speaker 2: Israeli hostages. I was saying Shari that one of the
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  Speaker 2: people I'm desperate to see released today. Of course, we
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  Speaker 2: will want all twenty living hostages released. But Nimrod Cohen,
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  Speaker 2: I met his mother, I interviewed his mother. He was
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  Speaker 2: and Israeli Defense Forces tank operative. He was working in
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  Speaker 2: a tank trying to keep the border secure. The tank
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  Speaker 2: was disabled. The terrorists lit a fire under it so
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  Speaker 2: that the soldiers inside had to come out, and they
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  Speaker 2: were captured. And here's what Vicky Cohen said about the
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  Speaker 2: trauma of having her son captive for so long.
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  Speaker 9: It's safe to end the war in Gaza and bring
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  Speaker 9: back all the hostages that are there.
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  Speaker 10: And one of them is my son. Nimod is still alive,
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  Speaker 10: and he needs to be brought home.
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  Speaker 9: And it's so many days, six hundred and twenty nine
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  Speaker 9: days in Israel, and you cannot imagine to.
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  Speaker 10: Wait so long. It's almost two years that they haven't
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  Speaker 10: heard or see and I didn't. I didn't have the
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  Speaker 10: ability to hold them and to hug him.
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  Speaker 9: And it's time. It's time to hand war it's time
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  Speaker 9: to finish this night mirror, Sherry.
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  Speaker 2: That was Vicky Cohen some weeks ago. But that's the
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  Speaker 2: human side of this. At some stage today, hopefully within
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  Speaker 2: the next hour, Vicki Cohen will hug her son for
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  Speaker 2: the first time in seven hundred and thirty seven days.
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  Speaker 3: And by the way, Chris Nimrod, who've just been speaking about,
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  Speaker 3: was only nineteen, a teenager, I mean, still really a boy,
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  Speaker 3: nineteen when he was taken hostage in Gaza. And so
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  Speaker 3: you mentioned he was a tank operative. There were three
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  Speaker 3: other soldiers with him on that tank near one of
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  Speaker 3: the kibbutzers, the nahal Oz Kibbutz, and those three other
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  Speaker 3: soldiers with.
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  Speaker 4: Him were all immediately killed.
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  Speaker 3: Their bodies were dragged on October seven, and their bodies
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  Speaker 3: were taken into Gaza.
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  Speaker 4: So you think that Nimrod Cohen.
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  Speaker 3: Survived, that he survived October seven, yet to watch his
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  Speaker 3: three friends and colleagues being killed. Now he's twenty one.
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  Speaker 3: Taken in there as a nineteen year old, he's lost
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  Speaker 3: two years of his life now twenty one. He's not
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  Speaker 3: in the first seven that have already are in the
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  Speaker 3: safe hands of the IDF. He is meant to be
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  Speaker 3: released around six pm our time. In that second group
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  Speaker 3: of thirteen hostages. You know, and I also think you know,
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  Speaker 3: as you say, there's so many stories. I mean, I
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  Speaker 3: also think of Omri Moran, the father, the forty eight
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  Speaker 3: year old father. He's a shiatsu therapist. He was the
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  Speaker 3: head gardener at Kibbutz near Oz. He was abducted from
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  Speaker 3: his home in front of his wife and two daughters.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, can you imagine his two little girls. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: we both have children, Chris. Can you imagine his two
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  Speaker 3: little girls spending two years not knowing what had happened
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  Speaker 3: to their dad. They saw with their own eyes the
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  Speaker 3: terrorists kidnap him. He's meant to be in very poor
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  Speaker 3: physical and mental condition, but he's coming home to his
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  Speaker 3: family with his little girls.
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  Speaker 2: Just incredible, sharing, just incredible. There is so much joy today,
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  Speaker 2: even though there's so much uncertainty and so many problems
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  Speaker 2: in the future. There is so much more. I'll come
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  Speaker 2: back to you, Shari for more on that in a moment.
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  Speaker 2: I just want to show you again those first pictures
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  Speaker 2: of the hostages being freed. Here we are in these
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  Speaker 2: Red Cross vehicles. Are the first seven hostages today released
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  Speaker 2: by humas on their way back to Israel via the
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  Speaker 2: Israeli Defense Forces. There they are leaving Garza. Just incredible
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  Speaker 2: scenes to be reunited with their families within ours obviously,
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  Speaker 2: medical checks and all the rest of it. Notwithstanding, let
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  Speaker 2: me go now live to Jerusalem and catch up with
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  Speaker 2: our good friend Gerald Steinberg. He's the professor of politics
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  Speaker 2: at Bar Allahan University. We've spoken to him throughout this war.
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  Speaker 2: Very good to talk to you again, Gerald. Can you
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  Speaker 2: tell us about your thoughts today? Firstly, as in Israeli,
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  Speaker 2: just the day unfolding where you were seeing the last
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  Speaker 2: of the hostages return to your country. Unfortunately we've lost
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  Speaker 2: Gerald Steinberg there in Jerusalem. We will come back to him,
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  Speaker 2: but who are bringing instead now? Shari Marson is staying
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  Speaker 2: with us. But also I want to go to Dave Shaman,
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  Speaker 2: now the Liberal Senator for New South Wales and shadow
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  Speaker 2: Assistant Minister for Treasury. He, as you know, has been
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  Speaker 2: a regular guest on our program and he's the former
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  Speaker 2: Australian Ambassador to Israel. Dave, you would have hoped to
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  Speaker 2: see this happening for so long, but it's such a
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  Speaker 2: momentous day. The joy of the Israelis must be palpable.
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  Speaker 11: It's a hugely momentous day. Christen I, you know, along
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  Speaker 11: with many thousands of others around the world, certainly hope
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  Speaker 11: to see this day come, but we were never sure
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  Speaker 11: we would say it, Let's be honest, you know. But
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  Speaker 11: the fact that these twenty hostages are the last remaining
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  Speaker 11: hostages who are still alive going home and back with
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  Speaker 11: their families is an immense relief all throughout Israel. But
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  Speaker 11: I think it should be for anyone who cares for
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  Speaker 11: the sanctity of human life anywhere in the world.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely, Dave, Now, this is a day of great joy
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  Speaker 2: and relief for Israeli's getting the hostages back. It's also
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  Speaker 2: a great day of relief and hope for the people
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  Speaker 2: of Gaza. Because the guns have fallen silent these past
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  Speaker 2: few days. There is a ceasefire that can dare to
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  Speaker 2: hope of an enduring peace. But in the political landscape
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  Speaker 2: scape of Israel, just the return of the hostages, to
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  Speaker 2: my mind, is momentous. Whatever else happens when it comes
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  Speaker 2: to peace deals and medium term and permanent arrangements for
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  Speaker 2: the Palestine, Palestinian territories and Gaza. Tell Us how important
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  Speaker 2: it is to the government of Israel, to the Prime
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  Speaker 2: Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, and to the people that they've got
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  Speaker 2: all the hostages back.
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  Speaker 11: Look, it's massively important, Chris. I mean, you know, Israel
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  Speaker 11: has spent years in the past, before this crisis, trying
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  Speaker 11: to recover, years of effort releasing thousands of palasin in prisoners,
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  Speaker 11: to recover one Israeli soldier or one Israeli a person
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  Speaker 11: who's been kidnapped, or one body who they know that
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  Speaker 11: is being held. So you know, the fact that two
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  Speaker 11: hundred and fifty people were taken and I've over forty
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  Speaker 11: eight still being held by hostage, you cannot overstate how
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  Speaker 11: large that has loomed in Israeli politics. I mean, they
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  Speaker 11: attach a very high value to getting their love one
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  Speaker 11: time and even getting their bodies home if sadly they're
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  Speaker 11: no longer alive. So this is massive, I mean, and
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  Speaker 11: this has been one of their main military goals throughout
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  Speaker 11: this campaign to recover the hostages.
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  Speaker 2: It's a solemn national promise in Israel that whoever is taken,
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  Speaker 2: we will bring you home, dead or alive, we will
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  Speaker 2: bring you back to Israel. It's well known and it
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  Speaker 2: is very solemn, and as you say, from the lowliest
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  Speaker 2: soldier to the most high ranking politician, they know this
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  Speaker 2: is a commitment they have to fulfill. And this is
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  Speaker 2: obviously something that Hamas and other terrorist organizations have exploited
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  Speaker 2: in the past.
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  Speaker 11: Look, that's very true. I mean, you know Yaya Sinwa,
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  Speaker 11: who was the mastermind of the seventh of October terrorist attacks.
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  Speaker 11: He was released from an Israeli jail in exchange for
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  Speaker 11: Gilad Shaleid, an Israeli soldier who had been abducted by
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  Speaker 11: AMAS in the early two thousands. So you know, that's
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  Speaker 11: the sort of price they are prepared to pay and
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  Speaker 11: the risk they are prepared to run, because, as you say,
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  Speaker 11: it's a covenant between the people and their government that
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  Speaker 11: the government will leave no stone unturned to bring back Israelis.
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  Speaker 2: Tell us about what you would know about Hostages Square.
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  Speaker 6: We're seeing it there.
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  Speaker 2: It may not have been Hostages Square last time you
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  Speaker 2: were there, but I'm not certain if you've been there
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  Speaker 2: over the last two years. But certainly it has been
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  Speaker 2: a daily focal point of the country. There have been
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  Speaker 2: relatives and supporters there, there have been displays. There is
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  Speaker 2: even a tunnel fabricated there so you can walk through
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  Speaker 2: a tunnel and experience what the hostages have been experiencing.
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  Speaker 2: And so for hundreds of thousands of Israelis to be
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  Speaker 2: gathering there today as they have done in the past
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  Speaker 2: forty eight seventy two hours, it has become a real
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  Speaker 2: full crumb of national pride enjoy at the moment it has.
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  Speaker 11: And look, I knew Hostage Square before it was Hostage Square.
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  Speaker 11: I've been there since I was there in May last year.
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  Speaker 11: There's been a Hostage Embassy if you like, where the
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  Speaker 11: families of hostages speak to international guests and dignitries. You
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  Speaker 11: might have met with them there as well, Chris to
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  Speaker 11: tell of their personal ordeal to urge international countries in
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  Speaker 11: the world not to forget the plight of the hostages.
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  Speaker 11: And it's been a focal point ever since the seventh
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  Speaker 11: of October. I mean every day over the last two years,
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  Speaker 11: there would have been people gathered in Hostage Square, people
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  Speaker 11: making speeches, people urging people to sign petitions, flags waving,
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  Speaker 11: just to keep the memory and the hope of the
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  Speaker 11: hostages alive. And to see that hope now reward. It
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  Speaker 11: is really a beautiful thing.
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  Speaker 2: Now. The ugly side of this, Dave Schamra kind of
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  Speaker 2: links the two things we've been talking about. We don't
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  Speaker 2: want to underestimate the jaw here. It is on the
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  Speaker 2: whole and momentous and joyous day. But of course Israel
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  Speaker 2: as having to release terrorists. Terrorists have been arrested for
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  Speaker 2: what they've been doing in Gaza and other parts of
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  Speaker 2: the country, some of these known murderers. There must be
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  Speaker 2: a huge security risk in allowing these people to be
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  Speaker 2: free in the Palestinian territories or perhaps in third countries,
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  Speaker 2: and also just a feeling of perhaps in security amongst
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  Speaker 2: the Israeli people that these types of people are being
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  Speaker 2: set free.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 11: Look, I think that's right, Chris. I mean, I think
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  Speaker 11: it's almost two thousand prisoners of being released from Israeli
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  Speaker 11: jails and returned to Gaza. I don't know the details
• 19:57
  Speaker 11: of all of them. Some of them undoubtedly have boodles hands,
• 20:00
  Speaker 11: They've been involved in terror sacks, they've been involved in
• 20:03
  Speaker 11: the murder of some civilians, women, children, the elderly, been
• 20:07
  Speaker 11: involved in lynchings. I mean, just terrible stuff, and it's
• 20:13
  Speaker 11: it's sad and it's regrettable, but ultimately, you know, this
• 20:17
  Speaker 11: is a decision that Israel needs to make. I think
• 20:19
  Speaker 11: the Israeli public across the spectrum is overwhelmingly supportive of
• 20:25
  Speaker 11: doing this swap, because, as we were saying earlier, they've
• 20:28
  Speaker 11: always believed in making every effort, paying any price, really
• 20:32
  Speaker 11: to get their family members and loved ones back to
• 20:36
  Speaker 11: the state of Israel.
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: Joining us. Dave, we might come back to you in
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: a while if we can, because I just want to
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: catch up with Charry Marxsting and I know it's how
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: Strap says seven hundred and thirty eight days. I've been
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: saying seven hundred and thirty seven What is effectively this
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: seven hundred and thirty eighth day today? Indeed, so it
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: is just over two years. Let's bring in Shari Marks
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: And one of the things I wanted to ask you,
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: I think you might have some breaking news for us
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: as well. That's that first, Jerry, let us start what
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: you've we found out.
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: I just got off the phone from Israeli Prime Minister
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: Benjamin Nettinya, who's office, and I spoke with the spokesman
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: and he was with Nadi Yahoo at Bengurian Airport and
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: they were sitting with Steve Whitcoff Jared Kushna and Ivanka
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: Ivana Trump and they were waiting for the President's arrival
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: in minutes.
• 21:23
  Speaker 4: So I was just on the phone to Netdiya, who spokesman,
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: as I said, So Nadan.
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: Yahoo, Steve Whitcoff, Jared Kushner, and Evana are at Bengurion
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: Airport right now. President Trump's Air Force one is expected
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: to land within minutes, and we'll see Marco Rubio, Pete
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: Haig Seth, and Carolyn Levitt disembark as well. So that's
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: just minutes away. Then, Chris, I might also mention we
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: are starting to see some images now being released of
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: families speaking to their hostage.
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: The hostage.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: Just what I was going to tell you, Sharry, I've
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: just been sent we're speaking about Nimrod Cohen, and I've
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: just been sent a video footage of him speaking on
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: an iPhone of facetiming his family from captivity. He's still
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: in captivity, but obviously he's on his way to them.
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: He's on his way via the Red Cross to his family.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: And there he is, Nimrod Cohen, taken as you say,
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: when he was nineteen. His family seeing him now for
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: the first time in two years now to these twenty
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: one years old and Shary, just incredible. You're saying there's
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: more hostages in that situation as we speak.
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: So yeah, So Martan Zangorka, so he's the boyfriend of
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: Ilana Grizzutski. So we've got footage that I think your
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: producer has ready to play you in just a moment
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: of Matan speaking to his mother enough and Ilana over
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: the phone. Now, Chris, what's so significant is about this
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: is the IDF have not confirmed, We have had no
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: confirmation at all that that second group of thirteen hostages
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: have been.
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: Handed over to the I d F.
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: Yet all of this vision and images that we're starting
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: to see that is from the second group. So the
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: indications are judging by the fact this footage has been released,
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: is that that second group of thirteen hostages or they
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: must have been handed over to the I d F
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: from the Red Cross already.
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: Let let's play if we can't.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: And just incredible stuff. There a family reunited digitally moments
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: or hours hopefully before they're reunited physically. Now, Sharry, I
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: don't speak Hebrew. I'll get an interpretation from you. In
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: a moment, we could all we could all hear the
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: elation and the excitement and perhaps the impatience about getting together.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: I was just going to say when it came to
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: your earlier commentary too. They may be in the hands
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: of the Red Cross already, they may may have been
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: given phones and the like by the Red Cross, but
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: either them or all the weight to the Israeli military,
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: whatever it is, we know that second group of thirteen
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: hostages is on their way out and they're certainly out
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: of the hands of Hummas if they're engaging in that
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: sort of communication.
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: Right exactly. That's what's so incredible, is that.
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: Oh unless Hermas is allowing them to ring their family members.
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: I mean, that's the other scenario, because the reason I
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: called the Prime Minister's office was just to get clarification
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: on that have the second group of being released or not.
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: But as I said, he was at the airport awaiting
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: the arrival of President Trump, so he couldn't shed any
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: light on that fact. But we are seeing that second
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: members from that second group of thirteen hostages are making
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: contact with their family members. Chris, I actually don't speak Hebrew.
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: I did learn it when I was younger, but unfortunately
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: I cannot remember it. Now, so I can't tell you
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: what they're saying in that video, but like you, you
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: can hear the elation and the joy. And I spent
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: time with Matun's girlfriend, Ilana when I was in Israel
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: and know she was. I can't tell you just how
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: depressed she was. She couldn't move on knowing her boyfriend
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: was still in the tunnels of Gaza. And Chris, you
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: mentioned Nimrod Cohen, you'd interviewed his mother, and we just
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: saw his picture on the screen a moment ago, and
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: you can see in his face how emaciated he looks
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: when he was kidnapped at nineteen. And I've seen the images,
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: as have you and many of our viewers of him
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: as a nineteen year old, very handsome man, healthy looking.
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: I mean, we're expecting these hostages, Israeli officials have said,
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: we are expecting the hostages to come home weighing in
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: the early forty kilograms, and when Eli Sharabi went into Gaza,
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: he was there for nearly five hundred days, so these
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: hostages have been in for six months longer. He weighed
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: seventy kilos when he went in. When he came out,
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: he was just forty four kilograms and it's been a
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: long process for him to regain his health after all
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: that time. The conditions we're just so horrendous, unhasting, and.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: Just to give people a perspective of the sacrifice of
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: Israeli families. Nimrod Cohen, as you say, has been through
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: that hill. We've talked about his mother, Vicki and her husband.
• 26:49
  Speaker 6: Have been through that two years of hell.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: While Nimrod was held as a hostage, his older brother
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: was serving in the Israeli Defense Force in the war.
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: Three months after he was taken hostage, his twin sister
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: was called up for her compulsory service in the Israel
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: Israeli Defense Forces. So while I had one son held hostage,
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: they had their other two children serving in this war.
• 27:14
  Speaker 6: And they were very matter of.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: Fact about it.
• 27:17
  Speaker 6: They were very happy about that.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: They said, that's what we do in our country, that's
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: how we support our country. Stay with Ushry because I
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: want to just go back to Jerusalem again, because I
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: believe that we've managed to get on the line. Our
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: good friend Gerald Steinberg, who's the professor of politics at
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: bar Ilan University, Great to talk to you again. Gerald.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: We've talked about the highs and lows of this war
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: today is very much a high share. Let us share
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: it first, just in your observations, as in Israeli, what
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: you were thinking about, what are you seeing unfolding? What
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: is your sense of relief, joy or pride.
• 27:56
  Speaker 8: I think there's a lot of tension released, certainly a
• 27:59
  Speaker 8: lot of happiness at this particular moment, but also there's
• 28:03
  Speaker 8: still a great deal of anger.
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: This real brings us all back to two years ago.
• 28:09
  Speaker 8: It's very important to get the hostages back, the ones
• 28:12
  Speaker 8: that are living in also to vary. Unfortunately, the number
• 28:15
  Speaker 8: that died that were killed, they didn't die, they were
• 28:17
  Speaker 8: murdered by Ramas. And I started talking about you said,
• 28:21
  Speaker 8: two hundred and fifty hostages were taken on October seventh,
• 28:25
  Speaker 8: two years ago and held in the most horrible, inhuman,
• 28:29
  Speaker 8: barbaric conditions imaginable. They were sending videos to the families
• 28:33
  Speaker 8: to try to get the families to put pressure to
• 28:36
  Speaker 8: release all these Palestinian terrorists as the price. This is extremely,
• 28:41
  Speaker 8: extremely inhuman in the behavior of Ramas and it's many
• 28:45
  Speaker 8: many supporters. There's going to be more and more anger
• 28:48
  Speaker 8: after the joy. I think we're going to see more
• 28:50
  Speaker 8: anger at what's called the international community. And yes, including
• 28:54
  Speaker 8: the Prime Minister of Australia and some of the leaders
• 28:57
  Speaker 8: who did not do anything that Israeli sought the the
• 29:00
  Speaker 8: hostages released. Instead, they were busy appeasing what they called protesters,
• 29:05
  Speaker 8: mobs of pro Palestinian, anti Israeli and anti human people
• 29:10
  Speaker 8: who are doing these terrible attacks in Sydney, in Melbourne
• 29:13
  Speaker 8: and other places and around the world. So there's going
• 29:15
  Speaker 8: to be a different kind of Israel. It's going to
• 29:17
  Speaker 8: be Israel as a society is going to be much
• 29:20
  Speaker 8: more cautious, much more skeptical about the international community. But
• 29:25
  Speaker 8: then you compare that to President Trump. You talked about
• 29:27
  Speaker 8: Prime Minister in the Tan Yahoo and the heads of
• 29:30
  Speaker 8: the Israeli government, along with the Trump's people who helped
• 29:34
  Speaker 8: negotiate this release that's taking place, Steve Whitcoff in particular,
• 29:39
  Speaker 8: who was very active in all of this, and also
• 29:42
  Speaker 8: Jared Kushner, and they're waiting to receive President Trump. President
• 29:46
  Speaker 8: Trump made this possible. Israelis are exhausted. Thomas has been defeated.
• 29:51
  Speaker 8: But you needed President Trump, not these international.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: Leaders, whether Kiir Starmer or Albanese or others making all
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: these statements about a Palestinian state.
• 30:00
  Speaker 8: It's so ridiculous that you needed President Trump to say,
• 30:03
  Speaker 8: this is the deal.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: We're going to do it. We're going to get these
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: people released.
• 30:06
  Speaker 8: That's real statesmanship, that's real acting as a.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: Human being towards other human beings.
• 30:11
  Speaker 8: And what we see on our screens all the Israeli
• 30:14
  Speaker 8: celebrating the fact that these hostages have been basically tortured
• 30:18
  Speaker 8: for so many for two years. For its over seven
• 30:20
  Speaker 8: hundred days. President Trump does get very much a vote
• 30:23
  Speaker 8: of thanks from the Israeli people for this.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: And there are signs welcoming him into Israel. Donald Trump
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: is due to arrive in Israel in the next few minutes.
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: We'll bring that to you live. But there are signs,
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: there are billboards, there are chants, and there are placards
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: praising Donald Trump and welcoming him and thanking him. I'll
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: come back to you on the foreign policy implications in
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: just a moment, Gerald, but I just want to update
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: our viewers.
• 30:50
  Speaker 6: We showed earlier that.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: Emotional footage of the hostage mother having FaceTime with one
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: of the hostages who's just about to be free. We
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: didn't get the Hebrew translation at the time, I've had
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: some kind viewers text me. They're saying that she was
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: saying I love you, and she was saying I love
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: you a lot. So that makes a lot of sense.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: And thank you so much for sending in that translation,
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: Gerald Steinberg. The other question I was going to ask
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: you is critically, when you look at where to from here,
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: Obviously Israel is more physically secure now than it was
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: before October the seventh, So that's a big positive. But
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: the big unknown is how do you reconstruct Gaza? How
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: do you put it back in place in a way
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: that will not only be prosperous but peaceful keeping the
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: Islamist terrorists at bay your thoughts.
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: We don't know.
• 31:46
  Speaker 8: There are a lot of plans. There are points, number
• 31:49
  Speaker 8: of points in Trump's peace plan twenty points. Most of
• 31:53
  Speaker 8: them relate after the hospitals are released today after for instance,
• 31:57
  Speaker 8: dis army COMMASUS still has weapons. They've still been firing
• 32:01
  Speaker 8: rockets at Israel. They assembled thirty forty thousand rockets before
• 32:05
  Speaker 8: the war. They have not all been used or destroyed.
• 32:09
  Speaker 8: Who's going to make sure that those are not available
• 32:11
  Speaker 8: to hit Israel? To disarm Hummus from all the terrorist tunnels.
• 32:15
  Speaker 8: Those tunnels, some of them still exist. They have to
• 32:18
  Speaker 8: be located and blown up. Now we've heard talks about
• 32:20
  Speaker 8: various Arab forces coming in some sort of international force.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: Israelis have learned that.
• 32:25
  Speaker 8: Nobody else cares, nobody else does make sure that these
• 32:30
  Speaker 8: weapons are not used to attack Israelis except Israeli soldiers.
• 32:33
  Speaker 8: So there's a lot of uncertainty in the future if
• 32:36
  Speaker 8: Trump is able to follow through, and if what's called
• 32:39
  Speaker 8: the international community these forces are successful, not like in
• 32:43
  Speaker 8: Lebanon where they were working with Isabella, not like an
• 32:46
  Speaker 8: in Iran where they overlook the continuing development of the
• 32:49
  Speaker 8: nuclear program. But taking this job seriously so Israel doesn't
• 32:53
  Speaker 8: have to do it. We don't have yet another round.
• 32:55
  Speaker 8: This is not just a war that's started on in
• 32:57
  Speaker 8: October seventh. It's been going on at least two thousand
• 33:00
  Speaker 8: and seven, when Kamas forcibly took over the Gaza strip.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: That has to be an end has to.
• 33:06
  Speaker 8: Be put to that period of history, and there's a
• 33:09
  Speaker 8: lot of uncertainty and the rest of the region has
• 33:11
  Speaker 8: to change.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: Israel did an amazing job.
• 33:14
  Speaker 8: Israeli government, the Israeli military in particular Iran was defeated
• 33:18
  Speaker 8: tisbala Is halfway through being disarmed.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: They were defeated.
• 33:22
  Speaker 8: But the rest of the job has to be done
• 33:23
  Speaker 8: because we know in the history they've gone back and
• 33:25
  Speaker 8: rebuilt their capabilities, not just since nineteen since two thousand
• 33:30
  Speaker 8: and seven, but also going all the way back to
• 33:32
  Speaker 8: nineteen forty eight when the First War started to destroy Israel.
• 33:36
  Speaker 8: That's what people, that's what political leaders have to focus on.
• 33:40
  Speaker 8: How do you tell Palestinian society you're not going to
• 33:43
  Speaker 8: go back to nineteen forty eight, You're not going to
• 33:46
  Speaker 8: destroy Israel, whether it's Hamas, whether it's some form of
• 33:49
  Speaker 8: the PLO. We all remember, yesa Arafat, that was his
• 33:52
  Speaker 8: entire life, was destroying Israel. Thomas is another version of that.
• 33:56
  Speaker 8: So the diplomatic effort that has to be made, must
• 33:59
  Speaker 8: be sustained, must be serious, must take security seriously.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: We also need to worry a lot.
• 34:05
  Speaker 8: About the reconstructions the United Nations facilities that have been
• 34:09
  Speaker 8: used and stolen by Hamas.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: With the assistance of people within the United Nations. That
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: has to end.
• 34:16
  Speaker 8: Israelis have no faith whatsoever, no trust in United Nations entities.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: It has to be the they have for every right
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: as a humanitarian. They have every right to have lost
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: that trust. Gerald, thanks so much for joining us. I
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: appreciate it on this momentous day. Thank you Gerald Steinberg,
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: who's a professor of politics at Bar Alan University, joining
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: us live there from Jerusalem.
• 34:37
  Speaker 6: If you've just.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: Tuned in, what you're looking at now is live pictures
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: of Hostages Square in Tel Aviv, where hundreds of thousands
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: have gathered to celebrate the release of the last remaining
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: living hostages from Humas back to Israel. Seven have been
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: transported out of Gaza by the Red Cross back into
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: Israeli hands. The second group of Third Team, we believe
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: are on their way. They've been making contact with their
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: families via FaceTime and the like, so they are obviously
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: on their way. I've got more analysis about what's going
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: on in Israel and the implications back home in just
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: a moment. But I want to cross back to Scott
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: and News host Sarry Marxon first, because you've had some
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: breaking news for a shriff.
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: Yes, well, a few things now.
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: Firstly, Donald Trump is just two minutes away from landing
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: in Israel.
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: His Air Force one is two minutes out.
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: Secondly, I have had confirmation, Chris, that that second group
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: of thirteen hostages are not in the hands of IDF.
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: So this is some bizarre decision by Hamas to allow
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: those thirteen hostages to make contact with their family. So
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: those thirteen that we're seeing, including Nimrod Cohen, are not
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: back in Israel. They're not even with the Red Cross.
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: They're still in Hamas' captivity. Now, Chris, we do have
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: another image of o Hell. He's just twenty to twenty
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: four years old. Sorry, his family seeing footage of him
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: being released for the first time.
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: On Israeli television.
• 36:09
  Speaker 7: Will will bring that now, dog, my dog.
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: He's just so beautiful to watch the delight of Alan's
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: mother Now, she had no idea if he was alive
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: or dead until Elie Sharabi's release in February this year,
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: and he became so close to Alan in captivity. He
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: was like a father figure to him. So the moment
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: he got out, he made sure he spoke to Alan's
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: mother to say he's still alive. He's promised he's going
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: to hang on until his released. And you know, the
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: difficulty that our Lon oh Hell had in those tunnels
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: of Gaza can't be understated. He really was in such
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: a bad way mentally also his health and Ali Sharabi
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: kept him going.
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: But the joy on the mother's face.
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: So look, I said, Shari, I've got instant, instant viewer
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: translation from the hebrewy on that clip. Now she was saying, darling,
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: my darling, my gorgeous, Oh my god, oh my god,
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: oh my god. So we got that sense from the tone.
• 37:33
  Speaker 6: It was just brilliant.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: You don't have to speak Hebrew to understand the joy
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: and interpret the sentiments. There's beautiful stuff. Sharry, stay with us.
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: You are watching the Kenny Report, Sky and Newses rolling
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: coverage of events unfolding in Israel. We will be seeing
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: President Donald Trump landing in Air Force one in the
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: next few minutes. There's ben Urian Airport, which lays on
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: the planes down below Jerusalem between Jerusalem and Aviv effectively,
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: and there is that is where the President will be
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: arriving and will bring those pictures to you live. I
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: want to just bring in as we wait for that.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: Alex Rivchen, who is the co chair or the co
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: CEO of the Executive Council of Australian Jury, and Alex,
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: we've spoken to you throughout the last two years, through
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: very very difficult days. There is much pain and trauma ahead,
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: but this is a day to celebrate, Chris.
• 38:33
  Speaker 12: It's an incredible day, and it's a day when the
• 38:36
  Speaker 12: heart saws and the spirit saws, and you put aside
• 38:40
  Speaker 12: the trivial and the mundane, and all of the pain
• 38:43
  Speaker 12: and sorrow we felt over the last two years. It's
• 38:46
  Speaker 12: instantly washed away. It reminds me of reading the accounts
• 38:49
  Speaker 12: of some of the great Israelis, people like Amos Oz
• 38:52
  Speaker 12: and Moshe Dian, when they wrote about being little boys
• 38:55
  Speaker 12: when Israel was going to get a state in nineteen
• 38:58
  Speaker 12: forty seven, when the UN vote to give the Jewish
• 39:00
  Speaker 12: people a homeland for the first time in two thousand years,
• 39:03
  Speaker 12: and seeing their fathers weep for the first time, and
• 39:06
  Speaker 12: knowing in that moment that everything would be different. And
• 39:09
  Speaker 12: maybe it won't be different, Maybe that's delusion, Maybe more
• 39:12
  Speaker 12: war and heartbreak will follow, but in this moment, none
• 39:14
  Speaker 12: of that matters, and we're seeing something truly beautiful, which
• 39:17
  Speaker 12: is life snatched from the jaws of death, and that's
• 39:21
  Speaker 12: something we should all cherish.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: I want to bring you back to the horrible debate
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: we've seen in this country, and I think the peace
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: plans and being put in place this weekend and the
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: response of that by the protests in Australia has been
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: incredibly illustrative. I want to show you what Josh Lees,
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: who heads up the Palestinian Action Group, said at a
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: protest in Sydney yesterday.
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: As long as Israel exists, a genocidal and apartheid regime,
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: there will not be peace for the Palestinian people.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: Alex Richard, as long as Israel exists, there won't be peace.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: So this exposes the game, doesn't it. This is the
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: quiet part they've said out loud. They're not interested in
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: Palestinian aspiration in a two state solution. They just want
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: to get rid of Israel.
• 40:12
  Speaker 12: These people are warmongers. They are angry now, angry than
• 40:16
  Speaker 12: when the war was on because they want the wa
• 40:19
  Speaker 12: to continue. The war goes on and allows them to
• 40:22
  Speaker 12: keep projecting images of Israeli crimes as they see it,
• 40:26
  Speaker 12: to keep demonizing the Israeli people. It's extraordinary that those
• 40:29
  Speaker 12: people who loud us claim that there was a genocide
• 40:33
  Speaker 12: are the ones who are now most vocally against the
• 40:35
  Speaker 12: cessation of the war. What does that tell you? It
• 40:37
  Speaker 12: tells you these people have no morals, that they've been
• 40:40
  Speaker 12: lying to the world for two years now, and they
• 40:42
  Speaker 12: stand condemned, and they should be ashamed of themselves. They
• 40:45
  Speaker 12: won't be ashamed, because these people are incapable of feeling shame.
• 40:49
  Speaker 12: But at least the rest of us can see now
• 40:51
  Speaker 12: clearly what these people are and the extent to which
• 40:53
  Speaker 12: they've deceived and lied and misrepresented who they are and
• 40:58
  Speaker 12: what they stand for. These are people who I hold
• 41:01
  Speaker 12: in the lowest regard, but at the moment, I'm not
• 41:03
  Speaker 12: thinking of them, to be honest, I'm thinking of the
• 41:05
  Speaker 12: people who made this glorious day possible. I'm thinking of
• 41:08
  Speaker 12: the heroes of the IDF who sacrificed over nine hundred
• 41:12
  Speaker 12: fell in battle so that others may live. I'm thinking
• 41:15
  Speaker 12: of the United States that harnessed all of its diplomatic
• 41:17
  Speaker 12: and economic power for the ultimate good, the saving human lives.
• 41:21
  Speaker 12: And I'm thinking of people like you, Chris, who for
• 41:24
  Speaker 12: two years have elevated the voice that the hostages have
• 41:27
  Speaker 12: humanized them, have told their stories, have worn pins in solidarity,
• 41:32
  Speaker 12: have written and spoken about them. And I'm truly grateful
• 41:35
  Speaker 12: to you, Chris, and all the people out there many
• 41:37
  Speaker 12: of your viewers and your colleagues who have stood with
• 41:40
  Speaker 12: us through this bleak and horrible time.
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: We will like us forget that Alex stay with us
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: if you can. Yes, our viewers have been staunch supporters
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: of the Israeli people, as I believe the silent majority
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: of all Australians have been. But what you're now seeing
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: on your screens is history in the making. This is
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: Air Force One about the touchdown in Ben Gurion Airport
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: in Israel. With President Donald Trump in his second term
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: as president, arriving to deliver peace in Gaza and forge
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: a new future in the Middle East. Not only has
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: he convinced Humas through pressure on the Arab world to
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: lay down his arms, he's convinced Israel to do the
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: same while Hummas still had control of the central part
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: of Gaza City. He is also pulled together a coalition
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: of nations to try to reconstruct and rebuild Gaza and
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: forge a new dawn in the Middle East. He will
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: fly later today to Charmeal Shaikh in Egypt to meet
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: with the leaders of more than twenty countries to start
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: working on his medium term plan to reconstruct Gaza and
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: solidify this piece many, many difficulties and hurdles to come,
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: but the diplomatic prospects are perhaps more prospective than they've
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: been in many decades. Former Australian Ambassador to Israe Dave
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: Sharma is with us. This is a momentous opportunity. I
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: don't want to be too dewey eyed here when it
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: comes to being too optimistic, Dave, but the prospects obviously
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: are there for a real change in direction.
• 43:15
  Speaker 11: I think there are, and I think there is course
• 43:17
  Speaker 11: for optimism, Chris. It's never pays to be too optimistic
• 43:20
  Speaker 11: or naive when it comes to the Middle East. But
• 43:22
  Speaker 11: I think what's changed fundamentally is the regional alignment of
• 43:25
  Speaker 11: forces because of this war. Since this war started, we've
• 43:29
  Speaker 11: seen Iran, which is the main backer of terror groups
• 43:32
  Speaker 11: in the region, humbled. It's nuclear programs set back several years,
• 43:37
  Speaker 11: possibly decades. We've seen the Asad Reshim toppled. We've seen
• 43:40
  Speaker 11: hesbler and a senior leadership decimated. We've seen the Hooties
• 43:44
  Speaker 11: take a beating, and so suddenly the forces that are
• 43:47
  Speaker 11: constructive in the region, the positive forces in the region,
• 43:50
  Speaker 11: modern forward looking Arab golf states and Israel know They're
• 43:55
  Speaker 11: the dominant grouping within the region now, people who want
• 43:58
  Speaker 11: to live side by side, get on trade, engage, be
• 44:02
  Speaker 11: part of the modern world. They are a majority now
• 44:05
  Speaker 11: in the Middle East, and that I think is why
• 44:07
  Speaker 11: we should be a little more hopeful than we have been.
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: Turkey is there, Pakistan is there, Indonesia is there. This
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: also but speaks a notion, I suppose, almost an ideology
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: to make sure that the whole world embraces this problem.
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: It's an issue for the Muslim world to fix, not
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: just for the Middle East.
• 44:31
  Speaker 11: Yeah, and I think look, Donald Trump was quite careful,
• 44:34
  Speaker 11: and you know he curated this meeting three weeks ago
• 44:37
  Speaker 11: now on the margins of the General Assembly and invited
• 44:40
  Speaker 11: leaders from all the major Islamic nation, not just those
• 44:43
  Speaker 11: in the Middle East. So the leader of Turkey, the
• 44:45
  Speaker 11: President of Indonesia, Prime Mister Pakistan and they were all
• 44:49
  Speaker 11: part of this conversation and he got them to buy
• 44:51
  Speaker 11: in to his vision. His plan is twenty point planned
• 44:54
  Speaker 11: for the Middle East, and we're seeing the fruits of
• 44:57
  Speaker 11: that today with the release of the hostages, and hopefully
• 45:00
  Speaker 11: we will see another harvest tomorrow when they gather in
• 45:02
  Speaker 11: Chunnel shake for this historic summer. There hasn't been there
• 45:06
  Speaker 11: won't have been a summer like this for probably twenty years.
• 45:09
  Speaker 11: I would say, you know, we're bringing in leaders of
• 45:12
  Speaker 11: this group of countries to discuss peace in the Middle East.
• 45:15
  Speaker 11: It's not just peace between Israel and Ghars, but a
• 45:18
  Speaker 11: broader piece in the Middle East. So I think we
• 45:20
  Speaker 11: have good reason to be at least positive and less
• 45:23
  Speaker 11: hopeful exactly. And it's another example of very smart diplosa
• 45:27
  Speaker 11: diplomacy from Donald Trump. He's trying to make use of
• 45:30
  Speaker 11: that momentum, huge momentum today with this peace plan and
• 45:34
  Speaker 11: the freeing of the hostages. But later in the day
• 45:36
  Speaker 11: our time, he'll be trying to make some use of
• 45:39
  Speaker 11: that in Egypt. Live pictures here.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: Of Benjamin Netta, who on the tarmac waiting to welcome
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: President Trump and the first Lady as the Air Force
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: one there pulls up alongside the red carpet. I want
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: to bring in Sharry Marks and Sky News host who's
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: with us on the program tonight, to get her thoughts
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: here as Benjamin Nettna who and Donald Trump two of
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: the most hated figures in the world when it comes
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: to the left side of politics. But there can be
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: no escaping the facts here, Sherry. They are the ones
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: who have delivered not just this peace for today, but
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: a realistic, new opportunity for lasting peace.
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: Exactly the most realistic peace plan that has been put
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: on the table. And so, Chris, we're just looking at
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: this vision of Air Force one has arrived at Bengurian
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: Airport in Israel. President Donald Trump is moments away from disembarking.
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: He'll be accompanied by Secretary of State Marco Rubio, Defense
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: Secretary Pete Hegseth. There's a military parade there to greet him.
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: As you can see, the red carpet is literally being
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: rolled out as we speak.
• 46:45
  Speaker 4: This is an incredible moment.
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: Israeli's will be welcoming President Trump with open arms. He
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: is being celebrated in Israel as a peacetime leader. You
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: can see there that's Israeli President Isaac Hertzog standing at
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: the top of the red carpet. There Israeli Prime Minister
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: Benjamin Nett and Yahoo right beside him with their wives.
• 47:11
  Speaker 4: I understand. Jared Kushna there you go.
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: Jared Kushna and Ivanka Trump are there as well to
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: greet the president.
• 47:18
  Speaker 8: So this is a.
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: Remarkable occasion, Isaac Hertzog, Benjamin Nette and Yahoo. In the
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: next few minutes, we will be watching President Trump disembark
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: from Air Force One. What a historic day, Chris, What
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: a privilege it is for all of us to be
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: watching this. This will go down in history, the peace
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: deal that Trump struck in Egypt when he came to
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: see the release of the twenty living hostages.
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: There is no doubt about this moment. There is no
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: doubt that this is an historic day. I want to
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: get your thoughts on this, Alex Ritchin, because if this
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: was the summit of the achievement, that the war was
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: ended in Gaza and all the ostages were returned, it
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: would be a momentous day. But I want to get
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: your thoughts, Alex on just how this day can actually
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: be a new dawn, How it can actually be rather
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: than the end of this war, the start of a
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: rebuilding where Palestinians will embrace peace, where the Islamist extremists
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: might be kept at bay, and where the Arab countries
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: and the wealthy Muslim nations will invest in that future
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: rather than funding terrorist groups.
• 48:27
  Speaker 12: Well, there's such a moment of hope right now. And
• 48:30
  Speaker 12: also the scenes that are projecting now of Air Force
• 48:34
  Speaker 12: one on a time up there. It's such a poignant
• 48:37
  Speaker 12: symbol of US power and goodness and contribution to the world.
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: And when you have the US.
• 48:43
  Speaker 12: Putting all its capacity towards something like this, the world changes.
• 48:48
  Speaker 12: That's what the that's what a superpower can do. And
• 48:51
  Speaker 12: so the world is seen over the last two years
• 48:53
  Speaker 12: what comes from terrorism, from misery, from war, the deprivation
• 48:59
  Speaker 12: and the whole that stemmed from it. But they've also
• 49:02
  Speaker 12: seen what can come from a good fighting force and
• 49:05
  Speaker 12: deployed for benevolent means. And that's what we've seen here.
• 49:09
  Speaker 12: And so the Palestinians, I think will be contemplating now
• 49:12
  Speaker 12: was it all worth it? Were the horrors of the
• 49:14
  Speaker 12: last two years worth it? Was October seven worth it?
• 49:17
  Speaker 12: And hopefully this will now turn a page and we
• 49:20
  Speaker 12: will see in your era.
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: Will ensure Sorry.
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: Christiness, Sorry Alex Alex Richard from the Australian Council of Jury.
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: We've got Sharry Marks and Sky News host online. We're
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: staying with Dave Shamatu, former Australian ambassador to Israel and
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: now a Liberal Senator for New South Wales. Will come
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: back to them. But as we watch President Trump disembark
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: from Air Force One, and that reminder from Alex Ritchin
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: that no matter what you think of Benjamin Netanyahu or
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump, it is their strength, it is their use
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: of military and diplomatic power that has brought us to
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: this point. There is no mistaking that matter of what
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: the rest of the world and they can do with it.
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: From here, let's just listen to see whether there's any
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: sound anything we should be listening to on the tarmac
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: there at Bengurion Airport, Israel. Yes, a pregnant pause, you
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: might say, there, as they all await at the other
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: end of the red carpet for the President and the
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: first lady to come down. Apart from the Israeli Prime
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: Minister Benjamin Nettan and his wife there, of course, the
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: Israeli President Isaac Hertzog is there. They are political foes
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: from days gone by, but both of course committed to
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: the security of their country, the return of the hostages,
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: and ending this war that has gone on now for
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: seven hundred and more. Is you also saw there Avanka
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: Trump and her husband, who's been absolutely instrumental in the
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: diplomacy here. Let's have a listening now, Dar. It is
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: nine fifty two a m in Israel. So President Donald Trump,
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: when he's been met at the airport here, he will
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: go some thirty forty kilometers up the road to Jerusalem,
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: where he will address the Knesset. There will be a
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: meeting there with some hostage families. We don't know whether
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: they're hostage.
• 51:59
  Speaker 6: Is released today or earlier releases.
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: And not long after that he'll leave Israel and fly
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: direct to Egypt Chaml Shak for that meeting with about
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: with more than twenty world leaders to talk about the
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: next phase. Let's have a look now as the Israeli
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: group meets with the President at the.
• 52:16
  Speaker 6: Stairs, nah a military parade will and Shu.
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: Once they come down the stairs, Dave Charma, the former
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: ambassador to Israel, will be well aware of the protocols
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: to be followed here. Obviously the Prime Minister there, the President. Dave,
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: also Jared Kushner and Ivunka Trump, who have been there
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: and been involved in the behind the scenes diplomacy, explain
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: how much preparation would have gone into this because this
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: has been a snap visit. They wouldn't have even been
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: thinking about this a week ago.
• 53:38
  Speaker 11: No, look, to be honest, from where I can see,
• 53:40
  Speaker 11: it looks quite well organized given him out of time
• 53:42
  Speaker 11: and effort that's involved here rather or they're in protocol orders.
• 53:45
  Speaker 11: So you've got the Israeli president Isaac Kurtzog, who, as
• 53:48
  Speaker 11: you said, was the political rival of Nisana, who's he
• 53:52
  Speaker 11: contested an election against him as the leader of the
• 53:54
  Speaker 11: Labor Party in twenty fourteen. From memory, and his wife
• 53:58
  Speaker 11: Benjamin Nessina who Sarah Nash his wife. I imagine the
• 54:03
  Speaker 11: American ambassador that is there, Mike cut can be as well,
• 54:07
  Speaker 11: plus heads to protocol Jerry Kushner of UNCA Trump, it
• 54:12
  Speaker 11: looks like a yeah, I can see Mike cut Canbee
• 54:13
  Speaker 11: now too. So it looks like the normal sort of
• 54:16
  Speaker 11: receiving line you'd have for something like this. And of
• 54:18
  Speaker 11: course it looks like there's an IDF Guard of Honor
• 54:20
  Speaker 11: tur and I expect they'll play the national anthems soon
• 54:24
  Speaker 11: after President Trump descends from Air Force One.
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: Now, of course, whatever the President travels, the security is extraordinary.
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: Tell us about just how particularly careful they would be
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: flying into this part of the world, and presumably that
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: explains why it is such a lightning visit, not a
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: long time on the ground in either Israel or Egypt,
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: a few hours in each location, and then back to
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: the US. That would be driven largely by security concerns,
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: wouldn't it, rather than the president's diary.
• 54:53
  Speaker 11: Look, I think probably probably a bit of both. Of
• 54:56
  Speaker 11: the fact that the visits happening at short notice in
• 54:58
  Speaker 11: some respects helps US security situation because it means that
• 55:02
  Speaker 11: you know, this is not a program well known in
• 55:03
  Speaker 11: advanced and advertency.
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: The president at the top of the stairs. Now, Dave, continue,
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: but we'll watch the president y.
• 55:10
  Speaker 11: Yeah, of course, cut me off when you need. But look, obviously,
• 55:13
  Speaker 11: the US has a lot of assets in the region,
• 55:15
  Speaker 11: and I would have prepositioned a lot of assets, including
• 55:18
  Speaker 11: you know, armored vehicles, personnel, personal protective, secret service details, helicopters, contingencies, evacuations,
• 55:28
  Speaker 11: redundancies for all sorts of transports. So these are big
• 55:31
  Speaker 11: things to arrange. But they've got a lot of experience
• 55:34
  Speaker 11: in doing it, and they can turn these things on
• 55:36
  Speaker 11: at pretty short notice. And in the Middle East things
• 55:39
  Speaker 11: often happened at short notice and you need to be
• 55:41
  Speaker 11: able to move quickly. And that's what President Trump has
• 55:43
  Speaker 11: done today.
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: And there is there a president met by the president,
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: of course, would be the protocol. Isaac Herzog there meeting
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: President Donald Trump first, then his wife, the first Lady,
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: and presumably Benjaminta, who will be next in line. There
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: he is arm in arm. You saw that little fist
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: pump from Donald Trump at the top of the stack.
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: Islet's listening.
• 56:12
  Speaker 6: Hand no hand, no hand, no hand, you're blocking everyone familiar.
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: I've had some tough discussions and some friendly discussions with
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: each other over the years. I thought that fist pump
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: from the President was so typical of Donald Trump Alex
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: Rivchin as we saw him at the top of the stairs.
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: It's said at all, it was understated, but fist pump
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: for victory as he's coming down the stairs to meet
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: with the most important leader in the region and later
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: today with other leaders, knowing that there is so much
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: more to be done.
• 57:04
  Speaker 12: Well not he knows that he's the peacemaker of this time.
• 57:07
  Speaker 12: And as you said, Chris in Primesina Nowaho and President Trump,
• 57:11
  Speaker 12: you have two are the most maligned and marginalized in
• 57:15
  Speaker 12: some of God's political figures around the world. But they
• 57:17
  Speaker 12: are political survivors. They are canny, they are successful and
• 57:22
  Speaker 12: here They have done something which I think a few
• 57:24
  Speaker 12: people thought possible. They have found a way to get
• 57:27
  Speaker 12: all the hostages home. They have settled on a peace
• 57:30
  Speaker 12: which will God willing to see how mus disarm. They
• 57:33
  Speaker 12: have charted a new course for the entirety of the
• 57:35
  Speaker 12: Middle East, and they deserve absolute credit for him.
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: So we'll nearly out of time, so I forgot to
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: ask you briefly before we hand over this coverage to
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: Peter Credlin at six o'clock. I just want to get
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: a brief thought from you about how much hope you
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: have for the anti Semitism and the social division in
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: this country subsiding. Because the war is over.
• 57:56
  Speaker 12: It won't simply evaporated, won't subside. And we've seen from
• 57:59
  Speaker 12: the testers that we spoke about earlier in the show,
• 58:02
  Speaker 12: the extremists, they're still at it. They're not going to desist.
• 58:04
  Speaker 12: They feel ascendant, they feel like they've formed a movement.
• 58:07
  Speaker 12: But looking at these scenes, this gives us greater strength
• 58:11
  Speaker 12: and courage to fight. If peace can come from the
• 58:14
  Speaker 12: clutches of the horrible war like this, then anything we
• 58:18
  Speaker 12: face here domestically, I think we can overcome. And there
• 58:21
  Speaker 12: are good people in this country. There are many who
• 58:23
  Speaker 12: stand with us against anti Semitism, will work with them
• 58:27
  Speaker 12: and will make this country better than it has been.
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: Alex Richard, thanks so much for joining us on this
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: MOMENTUS day.
• 58:33
  Speaker 6: Briefly from you, Dave Shama.
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: Why isn't Australia invited to this meeting in Egypt. We'd
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: offer to provide some help in the enduring peace, but
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: Australia is not there.
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  Speaker 11: We've sidelined ourselves, Chris, from any position of influence that's
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  Speaker 11: been the Albanezy and any warm position. I mean, I
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  Speaker 11: just made this point. The reason we're here today is
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  Speaker 11: Hamas has been militarily and diplomatically put under immense pressure.
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  Speaker 11: Australia has been working against that throughout these parts US
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  Speaker 11: to use legitimizing her musk, strengthening her musk, and reserving
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  Speaker 11: all their criticism of Israel. That's why we're now relevant.
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  Speaker 2: Dave Shima, thanks so much for joining us. Dave Shalmer,
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  Speaker 2: Liberal Senator for New South Wales, former Australian Ambassador to Israel.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks to everybody else who's joined us during this coverage
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  Speaker 2: over the past our momentous events. Our coverage tonight will
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  Speaker 2: continue here on Sky News. Don't forget Tony Abbots's documentary
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  Speaker 2: from seven thirty to eight thirty Shari, We'll be back
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  Speaker 2: after that at eight thirty. Coming up next, Peter Kridlin