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You Really Don't Need to Pay Me · Armstrong & Getty One More Thing

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  Speaker 1: Let's try this again. You really don't need to pay me.
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  Speaker 1: It's one more thing.
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  Speaker 2: Before we get to that. A tease for Wednesday's Armstrong
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  Speaker 2: Engetty radio show, in which we'll be talking about penis
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  Speaker 2: massages and the law. Reason magazine, which is a libertarian outfit,
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  Speaker 2: says that it's an ongoing problem. It's a magazine, Grandpa Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Website says it's an ongoing problem across the country in
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  Speaker 2: some of your less ethical cop shops too, in an
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  Speaker 2: attempt to you know, stop human trafficking, go to massage parlors,
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  Speaker 2: get your penis massaged, as it says in Reason magazine. Well,
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  Speaker 2: it's accurate to prove that they do that, sometimes going
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  Speaker 2: back multiple times to be good and sure.
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  Speaker 3: You're building the evidentiary.
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  Speaker 2: Case here, and regularly just grabbing cash from the place
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  Speaker 2: because these are like cash only businesses, lots of times,
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  Speaker 2: and there's no way for anybody to keep track of
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  Speaker 2: who took what cash, or how much cash was there
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  Speaker 2: to start with or whatever. So apparently it happens according
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  Speaker 2: to Reason magazine. You know, and they work really hard
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  Speaker 2: to keep cops honest, sometimes going too far toward the
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  Speaker 2: world of being practically anti cop in my mind. But
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  Speaker 2: they say that it happens very really commonly that at
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  Speaker 2: an attempt to stop human trafficking, there's a lot of
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  Speaker 2: you know, getting a happy ending and just grabbing some
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  Speaker 2: cash out of the till andy and very difficult to
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  Speaker 2: well to police if you will.
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  Speaker 3: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: So they're going to the rub In tuggeries, they're getting
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  Speaker 1: the event, they're gathering evidence.
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  Speaker 3: That's some good police work. Stand and I'm not.
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  Speaker 2: Sure though she may have invertently done that. I'm gonna
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  Speaker 2: go back again next Friday.
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  Speaker 1: But then it's the cop who says, look, I could
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  Speaker 1: either bust here or we could make this all go away.
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  Speaker 2: You don't really say anything because they don't speak English.
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  Speaker 2: You just go over and grab money. May stare at
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  Speaker 2: you with white eyes, hoping they don't get busted, and
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  Speaker 2: you walk out of there and come back next week
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  Speaker 2: and get another penis massage.
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  Speaker 1: So at that point, do you show them your badge
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  Speaker 1: or what. I'm unclear on how the scam works.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, that's a good question. I'll have to read the
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  Speaker 2: whole article. But anyway, it's not hard to imagine. Whether
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  Speaker 2: it happens a lot, I don't know, but it's not
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  Speaker 2: hard to imagine that. You know there are bad cops.
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  Speaker 2: We know that I'd be an easy thing to get away,
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  Speaker 2: get away with. You got a bunch of enjoyable You
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  Speaker 2: got a bunch of perhaps illegals who don't speak much English,
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  Speaker 2: just trying to keep their jobs going. You want to
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  Speaker 2: take several hundred dollars in and leave me alone, Fine,
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  Speaker 2: come back next week and I'll give you another rubbin dug.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Wow.
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  Speaker 2: Unfortunately we had not call it penis massages. It's kind
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  Speaker 2: of funny with one policeman who got busted saying there
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  Speaker 2: was no ejaculation at the end of my penis massage.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, for God's sake, we had not com thanks Shakespeare
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  Speaker 1: being a shaking your spear. We had not compared notes
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  Speaker 1: before commencing this. And I'm afraid my thing is also
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  Speaker 1: sexual and and indeed, an AI startup says it will
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  Speaker 1: pay people two thousand dollars a month to masturbate JOI.
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  Speaker 1: I believe it's jois as in jois de vive, the
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  Speaker 1: French expression for love of life. Says it will pay
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  Speaker 1: people two thousand dollars a month to pleasure themselves. They
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  Speaker 1: are hiring ten Masturbation consultants to test a feature of
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  Speaker 1: their AI system called daily Guided Masturbation, which uses mood
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  Speaker 1: matched AI voice sessions to guide users through the experience.
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  Speaker 3: Participants slash employees.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I don't feel like I need O boy oh boy.
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  Speaker 1: Participants would document how regular use affects stress, sleep quality,
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  Speaker 1: mood and confidence. The four week roll is open to
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  Speaker 1: adults Aten Nolder in the US and.
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  Speaker 2: The UK helps my sleep quality.
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  Speaker 3: The listing describes ideal.
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  Speaker 1: It makes you stop thinking about a certain topic anyway
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  Speaker 1: for a while. The listing describes ideal candidates is quote articulate, observant,
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  Speaker 1: and impossible to blush. People who can describe sensations better
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  Speaker 1: than the somalia describes a wine. Posting also promises flexible scheduling,
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  Speaker 1: keep it to yourself, and the most interesting what do
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  Speaker 1: you do for a living answer at any party that's
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  Speaker 1: actually been futile hours?
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  Speaker 3: I like that? Yeah, so let's see.
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  Speaker 1: Jois ai is an online platform that includes AI generated avatars,
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  Speaker 1: voice interactions, and personalized chat experiences built around companionship and intimacy,
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  Speaker 1: and they use the term digital intimacy in this In
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  Speaker 1: this article, jacking off is not intimacy. I don't think
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  Speaker 1: you know what that word means.
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  Speaker 3: It is this.
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  Speaker 1: Is trying to perfect drawing humans away from humans and
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  Speaker 1: into just quasi sexual relationships with AI bots.
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  Speaker 2: Right, It's like that clip we had from what was
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  Speaker 2: that cartoon?
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  Speaker 1: Oh to Futurama from futuramah date robots, right.
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  Speaker 2: And just about how young men will never leave their
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  Speaker 2: homes again.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is an attempt to normalize AI sex. Right.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd listen to if I might make this a
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  Speaker 2: little more aerodyite. I was listening to a podcast yesterday
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  Speaker 2: about AI and wondering if is there any guidelines we
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  Speaker 2: can get around the whole having personal relationships with these
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  Speaker 2: AI chatbots? Kil Like, can we make the AI chat companies?
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  Speaker 2: And we can't, But is there any way to discourage
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  Speaker 2: them from trying to form human bonds with people, whether
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  Speaker 2: it's just emotional or sexual or whatever. Make that illegal?
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  Speaker 2: Like you know, you help me write a history paper,
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  Speaker 2: or balance my check book or all that sort of stuff,
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  Speaker 2: or cure cancer, all this sort of stuff. Fine, but
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  Speaker 2: any attempt to play the role of a human being
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  Speaker 2: as a therapist or sexual partner or whatever we make illegal.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know how he would draw that line. But
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  Speaker 2: I can see the impulse to want to do it
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  Speaker 2: because I think it is going to be a problem.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's already a problem.
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  Speaker 1: You're right, it will never happen. I wish there was
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  Speaker 1: some just you know, social pressure way to make everybody
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  Speaker 1: or to help everybody agree that it's creepy. Right, it's creepy, abnormal,
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  Speaker 1: and it's exploitive. It's not it's not for your good.
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  Speaker 1: It's to addict you so they can drain more of
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  Speaker 1: your time and money. Right that way, everybody knows a
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  Speaker 1: guy with a van who approaches your kid in the
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  Speaker 1: park and asks, do you want to see my puppy?
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  Speaker 1: Is not some sort of puppy advocate. Okay, he's got
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  Speaker 1: something else in mind. We've people need to look at.
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  Speaker 3: It like that. I do.
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  Speaker 2: There's a joke that around the It drives around a
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  Speaker 2: couple of towns near where I live, this white van,
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  Speaker 2: windowless van, beat up van, you know, like no hub caps,
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  Speaker 2: have two thousand dollars van, and the guy sells ice
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  Speaker 2: cream out of it, and everybody jokes about it all
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  Speaker 2: the time, including the kids, like, hey, look it's the
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  Speaker 2: child abductor fan. But everybody knows to like stay away
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  Speaker 2: from it. I don't know if he's doing anything wrong.
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  Speaker 2: I think he's just a nice guy trying to sell
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  Speaker 2: ice cream. But it's a creepy looking van.
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  Speaker 1: Somebody gonna pull him aside and say, hey, Jim, listen,
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  Speaker 1: I know your heart's in the right place, but do
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  Speaker 1: you realize that you are mimicking precisely, and I mean
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  Speaker 1: in every detail what a child bilesster right there. Again,
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  Speaker 1: your ice cream's delicious, and your.
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  Speaker 3: Intent, I know, is pure. But here's the problem.
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  Speaker 2: If your goal is to match up youths with an
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  Speaker 2: ice cream treat and that's your only goal, yes, I
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  Speaker 2: think I can help you out right exactly.
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  Speaker 1: It's like a guy he's trying to you know, he's
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  Speaker 1: trying to spread the word on physical fitness, and he.
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  Speaker 3: Jumps out of the bushes at women jogging at night.
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  Speaker 3: Good job. No, no, no.
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  Speaker 1: I can't hear all black exactly and chase them to
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  Speaker 1: encourage them.
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  Speaker 3: I just want to run after them to help them
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  Speaker 3: understand they're doing the right thing.
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  Speaker 1: Jim, Jim, Jim, Jim, we got to talk.
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  Speaker 3: Good example.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, oh boy, it's a windowless white fan.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, oh I got I should get a picture of it.
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  Speaker 4: Sometimes it's hilarious that he's actually so and it's been
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  Speaker 4: doing it for years, so I think it's a legit.
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  Speaker 4: But it just looks like it's straight out of a movie.
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  Speaker 3: Jim, do you know the word archetype? How about trope?
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  Speaker 2: But can we do you think there could be any
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  Speaker 2: rules around AI where you're not allowed to pretend to
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  Speaker 2: be a human. You just you're just not allowed to
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  Speaker 2: pretend to be a human period. Wow, that part is
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  Speaker 2: the weirdest part to me. Why are you talking to
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  Speaker 2: me like you're a human instead of just answering my question.
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  Speaker 1: You'd need a like a round table of constitutional lawyers
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  Speaker 1: to weigh this one. That's a super interesting question. But
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  Speaker 1: I think the answer is no, you can't. You can't regulate.
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  Speaker 2: But wouldn't that eliminate a lot of the things we're
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  Speaker 2: worried about if it couldn't pretend to be a person. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: when you went on Google and you search stuff, it
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  Speaker 2: didn't pretend to be a person. It just gave you,
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  Speaker 2: you know, your answers or your options or the things
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  Speaker 2: to click on. A nice job. You must be hungry.
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  Speaker 2: Here's some good places to eat, you know, or whatever.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, tell me how it goes.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, speaking of reason dot com and those folks in
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  Speaker 1: libertarianism in general, I think the blanket answer your question
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  Speaker 1: is if you gave the government the right to regulate
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  Speaker 1: things that closely and the tools you would need to
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  Speaker 1: accomplish that goal, it'd be an nightmare. Yeah, yep, because
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  Speaker 1: they'd applied that to a thousand other things.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, maybe I can buy that guy some hubcaps for
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  Speaker 2: his van and just step it up a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: Are we all pitching? I get a bunch of I
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  Speaker 2: do a gofund mean, we get him a rap so
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  Speaker 2: it's like a nice bright yellow, Maybe put a window
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  Speaker 2: in there so it's not windowless.
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  Speaker 3: And uh, you know, I'm just thinking.
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  Speaker 1: You know that the job they're hiring for, oh boy ten,
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  Speaker 1: you know, consultants, maybe gig work instead full time just
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  Speaker 1: seems like a lot.
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  Speaker 2: You don't want that to be your like your person
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  Speaker 2: you know, defines your personality.
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  Speaker 3: I'd hate to make my house payment that way. You
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  Speaker 3: you know, then it's just different.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly, it's a chore.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a hobby, right exactly.
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  Speaker 2: But then you're professional. You get to call yourself a professional.
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  Speaker 1: It's a business cards printed and those out at the park,
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  Speaker 1: you know, as a kid, and it made us happy.
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  Speaker 1: Though when I'd hear that ice cream drug siren going
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  Speaker 1: through the neighborhood.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that was a big deal.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I guess that's it.