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#1807 What's Your Learning Potential? - Harps & Tiff · The You Project

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Speaker 1: I'll get a cook I'll get a Harps.
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Speaker 2: How are you going very good?
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Speaker 1: Thanks?
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Speaker 2: As the fledgling as fucking hell. Every time I open
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Speaker 2: up Facebook or LinkedIn or That's or fucking Instagram, Tip's
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Speaker 2: got a new a new thing, which usually lasts somewhere
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Speaker 2: between three hours and three weeks. So at the moment
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Speaker 2: she's taken up at the ripe young age of forty two,
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Speaker 2: she's taken up piano corrections.
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Speaker 3: One is forty two yet, so settle down. May may
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Speaker 3: the first when you're ready to bumb in my present.
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Speaker 3: That's when I turned forty two.
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Speaker 1: And secondly, the.
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Speaker 3: Last, the last thing lasted a good decade. Boxing I
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Speaker 3: stuck out for more than three hours or three weeks.
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Speaker 2: That definitely was not the last thing.
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Speaker 3: Well, you've got to be telling Harps, you've got to
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Speaker 3: you've got to give things to go. You just never
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Speaker 3: know what's going to grab you.
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Speaker 2: You know what, I remember when you were going to
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Speaker 2: be the next rembrant. For about eight minutes, you started
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Speaker 2: sketching sixteen hours a day. That's right, You're like, look
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Speaker 2: at me, look at me. I'm an artist. I'm an artist.
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Speaker 2: And then all this art's going up on social media. Everyone,
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Speaker 2: it's like you're talented, You're talented now not doing it anymore, and.
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Speaker 3: It's hard to get It's hard to get started because
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Speaker 3: you finish, if you finish a sketch, and then there's
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Speaker 3: so much of the ship part of trying to draw
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Speaker 3: something until it starts to take shape. And I'm really
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Speaker 3: really shit at that part of the process.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. I also feel like you took up Brazilian jiu
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Speaker 2: jitsu for about eight minutes.
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Speaker 3: Hey, yeah, that was about eight minutes. That was two weeks,
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Speaker 3: two weeks for that. But I showed promise.
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Speaker 1: I showed real promise there.
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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, good, yep, Yep, you owned a couple of
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Speaker 2: a couple of gyms for about a month and a half. Yep,
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Speaker 2: you go that that a good crack.
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Speaker 3: I learned good lessons there. I learned good lessons. You've
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Speaker 3: got things to figure out what doesn't work. That's master tree.
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Speaker 2: I always say that. It's I call it anti goal setting.
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Speaker 2: You know, sometimes you've got to do shit or to
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Speaker 2: figure out what you don't want in your life. Sometimes
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Speaker 2: when I'm talking to people, I do look like a
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Speaker 2: train driver today.
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Speaker 3: Don't I You just just don't get that hat right,
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Speaker 3: I'm just adjusting my hat everybody.
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Speaker 2: But I often when I'm talking to people who you know,
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Speaker 2: they like, they know that they're not where they want
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Speaker 2: to be, but they don't know where that actually is.
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Speaker 2: Clearly you know. It's In fact, had a really big
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Speaker 2: chat on Friday with somebody who's quite well known to
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Speaker 2: this podcast and quite well known in general, and it's
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Speaker 2: just obviously not going to mention to but yeah, just
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Speaker 2: trying to figure out like a few things have happened
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Speaker 2: in this person's life and just things are a bit blah.
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Speaker 2: But it's really hard when things are blah and you
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Speaker 2: don't know what the thing that you want is. It's
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Speaker 2: not like it's not like, oh look I've got to
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Speaker 2: roll up my sleeves and do all this work. It's like,
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Speaker 2: I don't even know what the fucking destination that I
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Speaker 2: want is. I don't know what. I just know it's
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Speaker 2: not here. So that's that place of not being where
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Speaker 2: you want to be in the moment, but also not
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Speaker 2: sure where you want to go. That's probably quite common.
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Speaker 3: Maybe, yeah, definitely, I reckon it is, and I think
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Speaker 3: it is hard to get the answer of what we need,
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Speaker 3: and it comes down to trying new things like that
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Speaker 3: was a pretty spare of the moment decision to whip
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Speaker 3: out and buy it.
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Speaker 1: That was like that happened in a twelve hours yeard.
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Speaker 2: Tell people what you did.
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Speaker 1: So I watched well.
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Speaker 3: When I was in Tazzy, if I wind it back
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Speaker 3: when I when I was in Tazzy, I was thinking
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Speaker 3: to myself, I would like I would like a hobby
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Speaker 3: or an interest that is unrelated to fitness boxing. Boxing
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Speaker 3: really ticks a big box for me when I'm compared
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Speaker 3: and when I'm not. It doesn't have that sense of purpose.
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Speaker 3: And that's what I like about the idea of a
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Speaker 3: hobby or an interest that has a sense of purpose,
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Speaker 3: of challenge, of getting better, of a reason to push
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Speaker 3: through when things are difficult.
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Speaker 1: And I didn't know what that would look and feel like.
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Speaker 3: And what's even funnier is about a month ago I
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Speaker 3: got a new client and he said to me, I
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Speaker 3: could give you piano lessons if you want, randomly out
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Speaker 3: of nowhere. And I was like, really interested in learning
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Speaker 3: the piano. And then I watched this movie on Netflix
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Speaker 3: on Saturday night. I took Saturdays off. Now it's a
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Speaker 3: new thing. Watched a movie it was about a drummer
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Speaker 3: and this music teacher reminded me of my boxing coach,
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Speaker 3: who was quite brutal, probably a ramped up version. I'm
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Speaker 3: this guy was quite hard and abusive and rough.
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Speaker 2: But JK. Simmons, that old ball dude who's the Yeah,
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Speaker 2: he's a motherfucker And that isn't it?
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Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah? Great? I really And by the end of
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Speaker 1: the movie I was just loving it.
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Speaker 3: But and I guess because I saw my boxing coach
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Speaker 3: in that film, and then maybe it shifted my relationship
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Speaker 3: with the idea of learning music.
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Speaker 1: And so by the next day I was out.
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Speaker 3: I'd done a hard dive research into pianos and went
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Speaker 3: out and bought myself a digital piano and I'm playing it.
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Speaker 3: I'm playing that bad boy. I just played something like
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Speaker 3: what is It Someone You Love? By Lewis Capaldi. I
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Speaker 3: just learned that today, just saying.
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Speaker 2: But can you read music?
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Speaker 1: No? But I'm learning No, I cannot.
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Speaker 3: There's but you know what the great thing is, I've
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Speaker 3: gone out chat GPT had gave me the ability to
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Speaker 3: actually learn what I need in it in a piano
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Speaker 3: because I was like, I we'll just go by keyboard
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Speaker 3: for fifty bucks once I started asking questions in chat GBT,
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Speaker 3: I've got heaps of clarity about what's important, what do
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Speaker 3: I need, what should I look for? How much am
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Speaker 3: I going to spend so I've got the right piece
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Speaker 3: of equipment. And then there's apps that teach you, you know,
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Speaker 3: how to you can play along with them and they
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Speaker 3: give you lessons, and so I'll learned to read music
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Speaker 3: along the way. And in the interim you can kind
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Speaker 3: of just google different songs that you can learn to play,
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Speaker 3: just so that you can play something that you don't
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Speaker 3: not just doing boring scales or trying to bang the
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Speaker 3: right key at the right time. It's really fun. I
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Speaker 3: wanted to, you know. And I also and punched into
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Speaker 3: chat GPT what are all the benefits, because this is
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Speaker 3: the stuff I'll fall back onto. How good it is
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Speaker 3: for your brain, how good it is for your mind creativity,
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Speaker 3: like your ability, So it's all those transferable skills. It's like, well,
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Speaker 3: I got frustrated and I decided to put work boundaries
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Speaker 3: in because I feel like my creativity is stifled because
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Speaker 3: I don't have time, and I'm you know, all of
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Speaker 3: that jazz and I'm well, well, now I can do
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Speaker 3: a hobby that cultivates creativity and that will come in
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Speaker 3: handy with what I do.
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Speaker 1: So it's all that cool stuff.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's amazing we're using I think it's the left
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Speaker 2: chemisphere of your brain as logic right as creative, so
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Speaker 2: you kind of and if you're not, I mean you're
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Speaker 2: pretty creative. I'm quite creative. I reckon I'm a bit
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Speaker 2: of an anomaly because I'm probably more creative than logical,
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Speaker 2: but maybe even Stephen. But I'm not really cut out
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Speaker 2: for academia, which is hilarious. But somebody's doing the shit
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Speaker 2: that I'm doing. But when you told me you were
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Speaker 2: doing that, I was thinking apart from the the fact
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Speaker 2: that you're learning music, which is I love music, I
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Speaker 2: mean I learned. I've still got three guitars. I've still
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Speaker 2: got a guitar that just sits at the end of
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Speaker 2: my bed in my bedroom, and I still pick it
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Speaker 2: up once a week and fuck around with it. But
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Speaker 2: I learned band. Yeah, I could fuck everyone's going to
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Speaker 2: to see you and me out of tune, just wailing
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Speaker 2: on like fucking cats. But there's something very for me anyway,
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Speaker 2: very therapeutic about like I learned guitar for about ten years,
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Speaker 2: and I'm still like I can play. I'm not a
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Speaker 2: brilliant guitarist, but I can pick up a guitar after
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Speaker 2: I cannot touch a guitar for two years and pick
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Speaker 2: up and play something reasonably well. But I'm never I
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Speaker 2: don't think I've ever even spoken about that on this show.
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Speaker 2: But there's something that happens to your nervous system and
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Speaker 2: your brain and depending on you know what kind of
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Speaker 2: music you're playing. You know, your heart rate and your
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Speaker 2: blood pressure and all that great shit, when when you
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Speaker 2: just get lost a little bit, and the more that
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Speaker 2: you play, the less you're using your mind, so to speak,
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Speaker 2: and the more it becomes just an autonomous process where
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Speaker 2: you know, like you drive somewhere and you get this somewhere.
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Speaker 2: You get to somewhere and you can't remember turning on
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Speaker 2: indicators or pushing in the clutch or change or depending
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Speaker 2: on what kind of guy you drive, but like you
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Speaker 2: just get there without thinking too much because it's something
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Speaker 2: that you do naturally. And it's like that with music too.
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Speaker 2: You just get into that place without having to focus
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Speaker 2: on where do I put my fingers? Where do I
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Speaker 2: put my fingers next? How do I strum this, how
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Speaker 2: do I hold this string? Or how do I hit this?
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Speaker 2: You know this sharp key and this minor key on
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Speaker 2: the piano or whatever it is. You know, so what
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Speaker 2: how did you figure out what kind of So it's
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Speaker 2: an electric piano, so it's a keyboard on a stand
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Speaker 2: kind of right.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, So there's there's electric pianos or digital piano as
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Speaker 3: they call them, and you can. Basically what I was
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Speaker 3: looking for was an eighty eight key digital piano that
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Speaker 3: had weighted keys, which replicate a real piano. So key
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Speaker 3: A lot of keyboards will either have soft touch keys
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Speaker 3: and then playing it feels like a piano.
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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, And what I did you buy a new
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Speaker 2: did you buy a second hand wedge buy? How much
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Speaker 2: did it cost? I mean, these are the things everyone
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Speaker 2: wants to know.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: I did a little hunt on Marketplace. That's where I started.
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Speaker 3: So I started just looking at keyboards. I was like, sweet,
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Speaker 3: there's a fifty dollars keyboard up in Corfield.
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Speaker 1: I'll go grab that tomorrow. And then I started asking questions.
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Speaker 3: Then I just started doing comparisons on the types that
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Speaker 3: I found in Marketplace, asking chat GPT to give me comparison.
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Speaker 3: Does these great breakdowns giving me graphs and what's better
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Speaker 3: and why and who should buy this particular model. And
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Speaker 3: that's kind of where I landed with the research. And
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Speaker 3: then I found the one that I wanted, which was
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Speaker 3: a roll in FP ten. They're about five six hundred
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Speaker 3: dollars for one with a stand second hand, and I
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Speaker 3: just reached out to a bunch of people, basically the
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Speaker 3: first one that could say yes to me. I was
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Speaker 3: about to pick that bad boy up and is in
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Speaker 3: good Nick, It's in great Nick, It's in great what's
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Speaker 3: funny with piano? A lot of people seem to there
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Speaker 3: must be it must be a thing. I went to
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Speaker 3: pick it up and this chick had a garage full
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Speaker 3: of pianos, and one of the other guys I was
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Speaker 3: inquiring with I could tell that he had several pianos
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Speaker 3: listed as well.
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Speaker 1: So, yeah, it must be a.
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Speaker 3: Weird thing where they just don't buy and sell pianos
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Speaker 3: and make a fortune.
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Speaker 2: Oh really, Yeah, I wonder how, and so what do
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Speaker 2: they retail at those.
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Speaker 3: I think I've got lots of numbers in my head.
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Speaker 1: I think that you can.
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Speaker 3: Get a stand and like the package I got, which
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Speaker 3: was on a stand with a stool. Then you get
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Speaker 3: it for about just under a thousand, and what do
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Speaker 3: you pay it? And I paid six hundred.
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Speaker 2: Oh good, it's good. Good. Yeah, Well, we will be
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Speaker 2: the audience and I will be checking in in about
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Speaker 2: a month just to see how the musical. Of course
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Speaker 2: it'll be flourishing. You'll be cary dollars.
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Speaker 1: You might all be buying tickets to my concert by then.
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Speaker 2: No, you and Lewis Capaldi just doing a team effort,
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Speaker 2: a joint effort.
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Speaker 1: To contact him. How good is he?
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Speaker 2: I love him? And people don't know him. Yeah, he's
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Speaker 2: just like I'm sure a lot of our what but
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Speaker 2: some of our older audience might not know. But he
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Speaker 2: what's that? What's his mental issue? Like he suffers from
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Speaker 2: its direct and also like real anxiety and stuff. Yeah.
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Speaker 3: In fact, they've got a Netflix documentary on him that's
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Speaker 3: worth watched it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and sometimes like there's been a few times where
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Speaker 2: he kind of freezes or loses a bit on stage
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Speaker 2: and the audience sings for him and they loved him
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Speaker 2: so much.
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Speaker 1: It's so good that goosebumps thinking of that.
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Speaker 3: That was the most powerful that went viral, that clip
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Speaker 3: where he just kind of froze and forgot is what
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Speaker 3: I couldn't couldn't sing and the whole like millions of them,
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Speaker 3: well I don't know thousands of peace at least, just see.
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Speaker 2: Well thousands at that. And but how I mean, how
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Speaker 2: gifted is he? How great is his music? How great
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Speaker 2: it is? And how much of a natural is he?
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Speaker 2: Like like it goes to show you like his and
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Speaker 2: I mean with this full, I mean this with respect.
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Speaker 2: He's like almost the anti hero because he doesn't give
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Speaker 2: a fuck. Like there's no image, there's no makeup, there's
13:27
Speaker 2: no you know how everybody's like manicured within an inch
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Speaker 2: of their life. Yeah, like just walking out t shirt pants,
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Speaker 2: just hanging out, talking shit, laughing. Yeah. So I love that.
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Speaker 2: Just a musical prodigy.
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Speaker 1: Isn't it good?
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Speaker 3: Now? How with you know the way Netflix and documentaries
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Speaker 3: and that have gone that we actually get access to
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Speaker 3: seeing the reality behind the scenes that everyone struggles and
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Speaker 3: some people didn't start on, you know, like Ed Sheeran,
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Speaker 3: how not talented he was to begin with, and you.
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Speaker 1: Just say, oh wow, yeah that might be me, Harps.
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Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying, Bro, I.
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Speaker 2: Could be you. You could be the latest fucking musical prodigy,
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Speaker 2: the latest blooming musical. No, I think prodigy is somebody
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Speaker 2: that's young. You Actually, well, no, what I mean is
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Speaker 2: generally when someone talks about a prodigy, a musical or
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Speaker 2: sporting prodigy, it's somebody that's very young. Now, I'm not
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Speaker 2: saying that you're not going to be, you know, the
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Speaker 2: next big thing. I'm fully expecting that you are good good,
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Speaker 2: I'm not holding my breath. But at the same time,
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Speaker 2: ha ha, but you don't like that, I mean you.
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Speaker 2: You and I have spoken about this, maybe once on air,
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Speaker 2: but definitely a few times off. Fair Like, the thing
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Speaker 2: that I've I've always been I've wanted to do but
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Speaker 2: never been brave enough to do, is comedy, right because,
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Speaker 2: by the way, everyone, I don't think I'm fucking hilarious
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Speaker 2: at all, right, but I've been told many many times
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Speaker 2: by people, you should do some comedy because you're a
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Speaker 2: bit amusing, Right. And when I I do my gigs,
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Speaker 2: when I do workshops or keynotes, you know, you're literally
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Speaker 2: in front of an audience. But the beauty of that,
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Speaker 2: the beauty of that environment is nobody's there going all right, Well,
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Speaker 2: it's your job to be funny because there's no expectation
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Speaker 2: or pressure for me to be funny. Then it allows
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Speaker 2: me to be funny and tell a funny story, or
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Speaker 2: be inappropriate or do something fucking stupid. But the few times,
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Speaker 2: probably honestly more than a few times where I've been whatever, inappropriate, funny,
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Speaker 2: and all of a sudden you look up and there's, however,
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Speaker 2: many people, like a whole room of people laughing at
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Speaker 2: some shit. You just said, Fuck, it's fun I'm like, yeah,
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Speaker 2: I could understand, like where you've got a whole lot
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Speaker 2: of like a whole room of people. One day at
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Speaker 2: Deacon when we had about seven hundred, I remember looking up.
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Speaker 2: I can't even what I've done, told one of my
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Speaker 2: stupid stories, but I just remember looking and seeing essentially
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Speaker 2: seven hundred people laughing their asses off and just an
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Speaker 2: auditorium full of happy faces and smiles, And I thought, fuck,
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Speaker 2: this is this is like a social narcotic, Like this
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Speaker 2: could be very addictive, no wonder, no wonder, comedians love
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Speaker 2: get that, Like, I could see how that would be
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Speaker 2: somewhat mentally and emotionally intoxicating, But I just and it's funny.
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Speaker 2: All the shit that I've done, you know, like Tali
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Speaker 2: Radio podcast standing in front of Like, I've done a
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Speaker 2: live gig in front of four thousand people. I would
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Speaker 2: rather do a live gig in front of ten thousand
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Speaker 2: people speaking gig than Hey, Craig, here's seven strangers. You've
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Speaker 2: got to walk out and be funny for five minutes.
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Speaker 2: That terrifies me.
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Speaker 3: It is the most would be the most resilient type
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Speaker 3: of art performing artist. I remember, I feel pretty recently.
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Speaker 3: I think it was Geraldine Hickey. I think she's quite funny.
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Speaker 3: She's a really good comedian. I've seen her a couple
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Speaker 3: of times live, and I must have seen a real
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Speaker 3: of hers that was from way back, and it was
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Speaker 3: quite clunky and kind of reminds you that, Yeah, even
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Speaker 3: the best comedians, they start out because it's all in
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Speaker 3: the delivery, and like sometimes you pick apart what they
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Speaker 3: say and it's just in their mannerisms and their delivery,
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Speaker 3: which is what they have to perfect. And you can't
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Speaker 3: perfect that at home writing it down and practicing in
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Speaker 3: the mirror. You have to do that in front of people.
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Speaker 3: It's really just a test of resilience.
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Speaker 2: Ah, yeah, I don't have it. I'm too scared. It's
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Speaker 2: like I like to sometimes think I'm a fucking alpha
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Speaker 2: male warry. I'm definitely not a big I'm a big baby.
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Speaker 2: But you know who's brilliant at what you're talking about?
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Speaker 2: And there are many but Carl Baron. Oh and because
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Speaker 2: like some of the shitty says, it's just like it's
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Speaker 2: four out of ten funny, but his face and he's
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Speaker 2: timing and his body language and the bullshit he does
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Speaker 2: all that physical comedy with his body, it's a fifteen
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Speaker 2: out of ten. But then the combination of the reasonably
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Speaker 2: good kind of content or jokes, but then his delivery
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Speaker 2: and the way that he does it, Like you couldn't
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Speaker 2: teach someone to do his act, Like if another comedian
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Speaker 2: did his act, wouldn't be funny.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, he is so funny. I love him.
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Speaker 3: It's something about also a lot of really funny comedians
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Speaker 3: like that they really play on almost like making dumbing
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Speaker 3: themselves down. So they're really smart people, but often they're
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Speaker 3: you know, they're playing stupid in a lot of things.
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Speaker 2: Well, think about all the moving parts in that one.
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Speaker 2: You've got to have pre prepared content material of course,
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Speaker 2: but also there's going to be there's going to be
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Speaker 2: an element in every show, well, with good comedians anyway,
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Speaker 2: where there's a live there's interaction. There's some pissed bloke
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Speaker 2: in the fourth row giving your shit, and then you've
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Speaker 2: got to navigate him or her, and then you've got
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Speaker 2: to like not get pissed off, because imagine if you
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Speaker 2: got angry, like that's going to make everything very unfunny,
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Speaker 2: and then you've got to deal with that. You've got
19:17
Speaker 2: to stay on track. You've got to not get derailed
19:19
Speaker 2: for the you know, if you're at say I don't
19:23
Speaker 2: know the palais and you're a comedian, there's two thousand
19:26
Speaker 2: people there and one bloke's being a fucking idiot, you've
19:29
Speaker 2: got another nineteen hundred and ninety nine that are not
19:32
Speaker 2: being an idiot. It'd be easy to get derailed depending
19:36
Speaker 2: on what's going on and trying to navigate all of
19:38
Speaker 2: that and just be like tell shit like you've never
19:43
Speaker 2: told it before. It as well, yeah, like imagine how
19:46
Speaker 2: many times some of them have told those same jokes,
19:51
Speaker 2: and to bring the right energy where it's like I've
19:54
Speaker 2: never told this before, but no, you've told that the
19:57
Speaker 2: last three hundred nights in a row.
20:01
Speaker 1: Should you give it a crack?
20:03
Speaker 2: No, definitely not, but thank you. But what I do
20:06
Speaker 2: like is I like, I like the idea, and I
20:09
Speaker 2: guess maybe this could. We don't need a theme for shows.
20:12
Speaker 2: We're just having to talk. But what I love is
20:14
Speaker 2: that at forty one, let's be honest, forty twoish, at
20:18
Speaker 2: forty woish, you are doing something that's brand new. It's
20:23
Speaker 2: not like, oh, yeah, you used to play piano and
20:26
Speaker 2: you've had a couple of decades off, right, it's very
20:31
Speaker 2: I like that you do seem to get pretty good
20:35
Speaker 2: at things pretty quick. I mean, you took up boxing
20:38
Speaker 2: at twenty nine and ended up winning a whole bunch
20:41
Speaker 2: of professional, well sanctioned fights. Right, It's not like, you know,
20:47
Speaker 2: and you'd never thrown a punch in anger, well not
20:49
Speaker 2: in that kind of sense anyway, until you're almost thirty,
20:52
Speaker 2: which is very late to start a very high demand
20:57
Speaker 2: physical contact sport. And then I don't know when you
21:03
Speaker 2: started drawing, but the first time I've known you for
21:06
Speaker 2: a long time before I saw it draw anything, then
21:09
Speaker 2: I'm like, and it was fucking brilliant, which is very annoying.
21:14
Speaker 2: So I'm genuinely interested to see how good you can
21:17
Speaker 2: get playing keyboards before the end of the year.
21:21
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's once.
21:22
Speaker 3: Once there's an interest, I am straight down the rabbit hole.
21:27
Speaker 3: Like once I've got an interest in something, and I
21:31
Speaker 3: can and like I said before, I can, there's there's
21:33
Speaker 3: a mechanism to understand the value beyond so that when
21:36
Speaker 3: I get annoyed at this or you know, I've got
21:39
Speaker 3: to practice a certain part of it, I know there
21:42
Speaker 3: are other reasons I'm doing it like it was shit
21:45
Speaker 3: turning up to boxing. Are plenty of the time getting
21:47
Speaker 3: punched in the face and punched in the face, and
21:49
Speaker 3: punching the face and always feeling the shittest and never
21:51
Speaker 3: thinking you're good enough and never being fit enough and
21:54
Speaker 3: getting punched in the face and getting punched in the
21:55
Speaker 3: face because you're always put in with people better than you,
21:57
Speaker 3: because that's the point. And so you have to understand
22:01
Speaker 3: your reasons behind it in order to keep doing it.
22:04
Speaker 3: And so I feel like I highlighted enough of those
22:08
Speaker 3: to myself in learning the piano to warrant going out
22:13
Speaker 3: with this bright idea twelve hours after thinking of it
22:16
Speaker 3: to invest in a piano.
22:18
Speaker 2: But you know what's a real contradiction with you, and
22:20
Speaker 2: I'm going to throw you under the bus. But you
22:22
Speaker 2: know what I'm about to say is true, So you
22:26
Speaker 2: know you can do this. You can go Fuck, I
22:28
Speaker 2: just watched a movie about this brilliant musician and this
22:31
Speaker 2: beautiful kind of this amazing coach who I'm going to
22:34
Speaker 2: become a musician. So within twenty four hours, you go
22:37
Speaker 2: out and buy a new instrument that you've never played,
22:39
Speaker 2: do the research, get the instrument, start playing it, and
22:42
Speaker 2: within twenty four hours you're posting shit on social media
22:45
Speaker 2: view playing the p which is fucking hilarious. And, by
22:47
Speaker 2: the way, if someone who's never played reasonably impressive. But
22:52
Speaker 2: if you've got to do a speaking gig in three weeks,
22:56
Speaker 2: you won't give it any fucking thought until you're driving there,
22:59
Speaker 2: and then you'll ring me up in a panic, going,
23:02
Speaker 2: I was thinking of doing this. What do you think
23:04
Speaker 2: about that? I'm like, here's an idea. You've known, you've
23:07
Speaker 2: had it for fucking six months. Why don't you channel
23:11
Speaker 2: some of that piano energy on this speaking gig. You've
23:14
Speaker 2: got like you can be so focused or so completely
23:19
Speaker 2: a dog with three dicks who's just like out.
23:21
Speaker 3: Of control, and you're like, I have learned that there's
23:27
Speaker 3: so much of that erraticness that I just need to
23:35
Speaker 3: accept and find my own way of wrangling, like, because
23:39
Speaker 3: I've hated parts of that for a long time and
23:42
Speaker 3: gotten mad about it and been like I'm just shit,
23:45
Speaker 3: I'll never I'll never be this or that, And it's like, Okay,
23:49
Speaker 3: this is a hardwired part of me, there's part of
23:51
Speaker 3: this is a blessing. I just need to understand for me,
23:55
Speaker 3: what's the best way to for me to work around this,
23:58
Speaker 3: what's the best way for me to and how to
24:00
Speaker 3: plan or prepare for something? Because I think I need
24:04
Speaker 3: I think it's that level of enthusiasm and excitement that
24:08
Speaker 3: actually makes things work when I do do them.
24:14
Speaker 2: But what happened? What happens when it Like for our listeners,
24:18
Speaker 2: I think, by the way, forget the musical destiny who
24:21
Speaker 2: of course you're with biggest things and sliced bread, as
24:24
Speaker 2: Mary harpists, whatever the fuck that means? Oh, bigger than
24:27
Speaker 2: slice bread because slice bread is huge? What was in
24:31
Speaker 2: the forties when Mary was grown up? What a revelation
24:36
Speaker 2: that was? What an innovation that was in the kitchen?
24:40
Speaker 2: Put away your knife, it's already sliced. Fucking who knew?
24:45
Speaker 2: Call the Herald's son, call the cops. Look at what
24:50
Speaker 2: we've got slice bread. Well, you know, and in twenty
24:53
Speaker 2: years there's going to be a thing called television, Mary,
24:55
Speaker 2: so batten down the fucking hatches. I don't know what
24:59
Speaker 2: I've no, just the fact that doing new things and
25:04
Speaker 2: like my version like very different. But my version of
25:07
Speaker 2: you know, like diving in this process was or part
25:10
Speaker 2: of it was my PhD where I'm like, everyone's like,
25:14
Speaker 2: what are you doing that for? You don't need to
25:15
Speaker 2: do that. I go, yeah, I know, oh no, but
25:18
Speaker 2: I want to and we'll see how we go. And
25:21
Speaker 2: you know, and how many people said to me, but
25:24
Speaker 2: by the time you finish, should be sixty one And
25:26
Speaker 2: I said, yeah, well I'll be sixty one anyway in
25:28
Speaker 2: five years, so I'll be sixty one with a PhD
25:31
Speaker 2: or sixty one without. So it's like it's a silly
25:35
Speaker 2: reason to not learn.
25:36
Speaker 1: Yeah.
25:37
Speaker 2: And the thing the thing is that you like you.
25:41
Speaker 2: I don't know. I know it sounds nath and I
25:43
Speaker 2: know we say it too much, but like the rate
25:48
Speaker 2: at which you age or don't age, you know, cognitively, emotionally, physiological,
25:54
Speaker 2: like we can mitigate it. We can even turn it
25:57
Speaker 2: around to a degree depending on our starting point. So
26:01
Speaker 2: I love the fact that you're doing different shit. I
26:03
Speaker 2: love the fact. I love it when people message me
26:07
Speaker 2: and I reckon, not because of me, but because they've
26:10
Speaker 2: taken the initiative. I reckon. At least one hundred people
26:14
Speaker 2: who listen to the You Project at least have begun
26:19
Speaker 2: or even finished a degree. They've started a degree, anything
26:23
Speaker 2: from undergraduates PhD. I remember Nicole that we had on
26:28
Speaker 2: the show that you that you met up with. Remember
26:31
Speaker 2: Nicole Qinsland. Yep, you know, she started, she did her
26:36
Speaker 2: undergrad degree and then she did honors and now she's
26:38
Speaker 2: doing a doctorate and that you know, part of that
26:42
Speaker 2: was through the support and encouragement, And she did all
26:45
Speaker 2: the work, she made the decisions, she did the hard stuff.
26:48
Speaker 2: But you know, now she's a woman heading towards her
26:51
Speaker 2: fifties who's literally better than she's ever been, happier, aw fulfilled,
26:57
Speaker 2: more confident, more knowledgeable, like and growing like a metaphoric weed.
27:03
Speaker 2: You know, in the middle of this process that most
27:05
Speaker 2: people would avoid because they're too old, you.
27:10
Speaker 3: Know, to use a cliche term, the journey, not the destination,
27:15
Speaker 3: Like why not do something just because you might be old,
27:18
Speaker 3: Like what, Like I thought to myself, no one, I'll
27:22
Speaker 3: walk around day to day and no one knows. Well,
27:24
Speaker 3: they will know because I'll tell them. But if I didn't,
27:27
Speaker 3: no one would know that I had the skill of
27:29
Speaker 3: playing the piano one day. But it's like to have
27:34
Speaker 3: something that relaxes me, like I've never had an interest
27:37
Speaker 3: that isn't full tilt. Like that feels so good. I'm
27:41
Speaker 3: struggling with recovery and this is the first thing where
27:44
Speaker 3: I'm fully engaged and relaxed at the same time.
27:49
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, how do you go? How do you and
27:53
Speaker 2: your ADHD go with something that requires sitting still and
27:56
Speaker 2: being focused and being because it's a very different type
28:01
Speaker 2: of demand on your body.
28:03
Speaker 3: It is so cognitively overwhelming, and like my hands were
28:08
Speaker 3: aching within two minutes, I was like, oh my god,
28:11
Speaker 3: this it aches. It aches to press the buttons. And
28:14
Speaker 3: then five minutes into a little lesson on the app
28:18
Speaker 3: that I downloaded, I'm learning. I'm looking at music that
28:23
Speaker 3: I can't read, but I'm getting cuesed for it that
28:25
Speaker 3: occasionally has finger numbers. So there's finger numbers, there's notes,
28:29
Speaker 3: there's two lines, there's fucking a line of music for
28:33
Speaker 3: your right hand and a line of music for your
28:35
Speaker 3: left hand, and your fingers are numbered one to five,
28:38
Speaker 3: but then five to one on the other hand. So
28:40
Speaker 3: all of these calculations as this little thing is playing
28:44
Speaker 3: through when you're trying to press the right buttons at
28:46
Speaker 3: the right times, because that hears it when you play
28:49
Speaker 3: it and gives you a reading that you're getting it right.
28:52
Speaker 3: I was just like, oh my god, there is a
28:56
Speaker 3: lot happening here and I don't understand it. But I
29:00
Speaker 3: also I'm aware because it was the same with boxing
29:03
Speaker 3: that as I do it, it's all falling into my
29:06
Speaker 3: subconscious and one day it'll just make sense. One day
29:09
Speaker 3: I'll know exactly what that note is that I'm pressing
29:12
Speaker 3: and which finger presses it, and I'll be like, oh,
29:15
Speaker 3: I know that now.
29:16
Speaker 2: Well, think about I don't know whenever. It was about
29:19
Speaker 2: a year ago when you got your motorbike, right, yeah,
29:23
Speaker 2: right now. I remember what I remember riding down South
29:28
Speaker 2: Road with you after you'd just got it and you
29:30
Speaker 2: could ride, but it wasn't your natural habitat you were
29:38
Speaker 2: like twelve out of ten concentrating. Yeah, I've literally been
29:42
Speaker 2: riding on the road for forty three years and I
29:45
Speaker 2: ride seven days a week, and you know, for me,
29:48
Speaker 2: it's like scratching my nose and I'm riding next ume
29:51
Speaker 2: looking and then you know I rode with you not
29:54
Speaker 2: that long ago. Yeah, completely different. I mean, you know
29:58
Speaker 2: you still like time on on the bike, but yeah,
30:02
Speaker 2: so like so much less effort for such better performance
30:07
Speaker 2: because it's just it's just doing reps, like doing reps
30:10
Speaker 2: in the gym, doing reps on the bike, doing reps
30:12
Speaker 2: on the piano, like doing reps with research and study.
30:15
Speaker 2: It's like, you can't get good at the thing you're
30:17
Speaker 2: not doing, So what's the thing that you need to
30:19
Speaker 2: be doing? And you know so many people are reluctant
30:25
Speaker 2: to start because they're bad at it. Well, of course
30:29
Speaker 2: you're fucking bad at it. You've never done it. Like
30:33
Speaker 2: embrace being bad because you know, and it's like how
30:37
Speaker 2: much have I improved as a rider in the last year? Zero?
30:41
Speaker 2: How much have you improved? Eighty percent? You know what
30:44
Speaker 2: I mean? And that's the thing is, you know, wherever
30:47
Speaker 2: you start, especially if you're coming from a lower base
30:51
Speaker 2: like with piano or you know whatever, like if you
30:55
Speaker 2: and I got in a boxing ring, I'm bigger and
30:57
Speaker 2: stronger than you. But you, well, you're definitely put in
31:00
Speaker 2: the head at least five times. If I got a
31:02
Speaker 2: hold of you, you'd be fucked. But do you know
31:05
Speaker 2: what I mean? It's like, yeah, it's like it's just different.
31:09
Speaker 2: You're starting from a different spot and that's okay. And
31:12
Speaker 2: whether or not it's building a business or doing that
31:15
Speaker 2: undergrad degree that we spoke about, or like creating some
31:19
Speaker 2: kind of online service or whatever it is, well, of
31:22
Speaker 2: course you're going to be no good at the start.
31:24
Speaker 2: That's literally how it works.
31:26
Speaker 3: The best thing about being shit at something is the
31:31
Speaker 3: percentage of improvement is massive. I'm like, I'm smashing putting
31:34
Speaker 3: videos up the first two days because to be an
31:37
Speaker 3: absolute beginner that's had a piano for twelve hours and
31:41
Speaker 3: has just learned a bit of one song and could
31:44
Speaker 3: get it right, I was like, I'll never have that
31:46
Speaker 3: level of improvement again because once I learn a little bit,
31:50
Speaker 3: it'll be a long time before people will go, oh,
31:53
Speaker 3: that's noticeable improvement because you get better and then the
31:57
Speaker 3: margins of improvement are a lot smaller. It's like it's
32:00
Speaker 3: like doing chin ups. If you can do four, you've
32:02
Speaker 3: got to get twenty five percent better to do one more.
32:06
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny. It's funny. Yeah, yeah, But even like
32:11
Speaker 2: using that as an example, how many people have I
32:16
Speaker 2: taught over the years to do chins who when they started,
32:20
Speaker 2: like the majority, couldn't do a chin. Yeah, so we
32:23
Speaker 2: just start with hanging, just body weight hold, and some
32:26
Speaker 2: people couldn't hot. I mean some people literally couldn't hold
32:30
Speaker 2: their weight for two or three seconds, so we had
32:33
Speaker 2: to use a band, you know, or they had to
32:36
Speaker 2: hold for one second and then step on a bench,
32:39
Speaker 2: and then eventually three step seconds, then step on a bench,
32:42
Speaker 2: and then eventually, over time they'd build up to a
32:46
Speaker 2: minute and then we'd step off a bench and they'd
32:48
Speaker 2: do an eccentric kind of chin where they're lower their
32:52
Speaker 2: you know. But over time, the person who couldn't hold
32:54
Speaker 2: their body weight ends up doing chins. And it's the
32:58
Speaker 2: same person with the same genetic potential, but now they've
33:01
Speaker 2: got they've done the reps, and their body is not
33:04
Speaker 2: the same anymore. You know, They've got the same potential,
33:08
Speaker 2: but they're using more of what they had, you know,
33:11
Speaker 2: So that it's funny speaking of I'm jumping around a
33:15
Speaker 2: little bit, but like about learning in general. Right, So
33:20
Speaker 2: there was a guy that comes in the morning to
33:22
Speaker 2: the cafe often brings in his kids, and he bought
33:26
Speaker 2: his little three year old this morning, who was fucking
33:29
Speaker 2: doing laps of the Hampton's like a maniac. I'm like, yeah,
33:32
Speaker 2: good luck with him, Champ, and he laughs like great kid, Yeah, yeah,
33:37
Speaker 2: they're not loving him at kinder. I'm like, why is that?
33:40
Speaker 2: And he goes, oh, you know, like they wanted to
33:44
Speaker 2: talk to us about Well, He's like when when they're
33:48
Speaker 2: all sitting, they're meant to be sitting on the floor
33:51
Speaker 2: like quiet and paying attention, Like he's not very good
33:54
Speaker 2: at it. I'm like, well, one, he's a boy too,
33:58
Speaker 2: he's fucking three. Of course, It's like, of course is
34:04
Speaker 2: bad at that? What do you think? You know? I
34:07
Speaker 2: think the thing is expecting some people to you know,
34:13
Speaker 2: I'm probably being I don't know, fucking sexist when I
34:17
Speaker 2: say this, but I think girls are typically better than
34:21
Speaker 2: three year old boys at being still and not always.
34:24
Speaker 2: Of course you probably were a maniac. But I mean
34:29
Speaker 2: my point is that we all learn differently, and we're
34:35
Speaker 2: all you know, like we all are suited to different things.
34:39
Speaker 2: But being able to go oh, well, you know, Tiff
34:42
Speaker 2: needs to learn to be calm, and maybe she doesn't.
34:46
Speaker 2: Maybe Tiff doesn't need to fucking sit still or maybe
34:49
Speaker 2: maybe you know it's like maybe you do, maybe you don't.
34:52
Speaker 2: But I think the thing is finding, you know, finding
34:57
Speaker 2: the thing that for you, you know, where there's joy and
35:00
Speaker 2: there's growth and there's hopefully there's some fun. But you know,
35:04
Speaker 2: it could be learning piano, or it could be bloody
35:06
Speaker 2: figuring out. I don't know how to join the Space
35:10
Speaker 2: program doesn't matter, you know, an you.
35:13
Speaker 3: Know, yeah, I want. I'm a really motivated self learner.
35:19
Speaker 3: I know that I love. Like when I did the sketching,
35:23
Speaker 3: I didn't want to do courses because I uncovered this
35:27
Speaker 3: I don't know disability to just see things and replicate them,
35:31
Speaker 3: And I was like, well, I just want to develop
35:34
Speaker 3: whatever that like. I don't understand what makes that achievable.
35:37
Speaker 3: I don't understand what that is as a talent or
35:41
Speaker 3: a skill. But I don't want to do what someone
35:45
Speaker 3: else says and gloss over it, you know what I mean? Like,
35:48
Speaker 3: and I feel like I want to play with the
35:50
Speaker 3: piano first before I want to get some lessons at
35:52
Speaker 3: some point, But first I just want to play with
35:55
Speaker 3: it and see what I can figure out myself with. Obviously,
35:59
Speaker 3: online courses jumping around these YouTube ones do a bit
36:03
Speaker 3: of an app well.
36:04
Speaker 2: I think also like people are naturally gifted at things
36:12
Speaker 2: that you know, like how many how many actors famous
36:16
Speaker 2: actors have never had an acting lesson? Like more than
36:20
Speaker 2: people would think, right, Like how many times have I
36:26
Speaker 2: spoken to an audience and been paid thousands? How many
36:31
Speaker 2: speaking workshops did I do? Zero? Did I? You know?
36:35
Speaker 2: Like which I've written a bunch of books I've never done.
36:38
Speaker 2: I've never done a one hour writing course. I've never
36:41
Speaker 2: done any speaking training. I've never done any media training.
36:46
Speaker 2: I worked in radio for twenty years, and I'm not saying, ah,
36:48
Speaker 2: I brilliant, I'm not. But you know, I don't know
36:52
Speaker 2: that that some training is always is necessarily going to
36:57
Speaker 2: get the best out of you. Like for me, I'm
37:00
Speaker 2: very intuitive, instinctive. I think communication is one of my
37:04
Speaker 2: few gifts. And the way that I speak and interview
37:09
Speaker 2: and interact and present ideas and information and stories and
37:12
Speaker 2: do what I'm doing right now, Nobody's taught me to
37:15
Speaker 2: do that. But also I don't necessarily think the way
37:18
Speaker 2: that I do it would be the best way for
37:21
Speaker 2: another person, you know, So it's trying to figure out. Yeah,
37:27
Speaker 2: I don't know, Like I definitely think like I went
37:30
Speaker 2: to one of those things, Toastmasters, is that what it's called,
37:33
Speaker 2: where people go and they basically it's like a group
37:36
Speaker 2: of people who get together, correct me if I'm wrongtive,
37:40
Speaker 2: And it's like people who want to do public speaking
37:43
Speaker 2: not necessarily become professional speakers, but a few of them do.
37:47
Speaker 2: And there's a group and you have some kind of
37:50
Speaker 2: mentors who teach you how to speak in front of
37:54
Speaker 2: a group of humans. Well, I'm going to tread lightly
37:58
Speaker 2: when I say I don't know that all of the
38:01
Speaker 2: advice is amazing. I went to one of these to
38:07
Speaker 2: speak to the group about me going as a professional
38:10
Speaker 2: speaker to speak to the group. And so what I
38:12
Speaker 2: did was I just got up and spoke for maybe
38:16
Speaker 2: twenty minutes on just general you know, the stuff I
38:18
Speaker 2: talk about, and then spoke a bit about you know,
38:22
Speaker 2: what I do and how I do it and why
38:24
Speaker 2: I do the things the way that I do, which
38:27
Speaker 2: is again not to say this is how I do it,
38:29
Speaker 2: therefore you all should be doing what I do at all,
38:32
Speaker 2: And then just interacted with them and answered questions and
38:35
Speaker 2: so it was probably forty minutes all up, and they
38:38
Speaker 2: were like, how do you just get up there and
38:40
Speaker 2: do that? That's like saying to me, how do you
38:44
Speaker 2: just eat your breakfast? How do you do that? I'm like,
38:48
Speaker 2: this is so not hard. There's so many things that
38:51
Speaker 2: are hard for me. So, you know, I think it's
38:54
Speaker 2: a mix of For some people, really having that training
38:58
Speaker 2: and that coaching and that kind of education is going
39:01
Speaker 2: to be a real asset. But I don't think everyone
39:04
Speaker 2: all the time. Like one of my best friends in
39:06
Speaker 2: the world, Greg who you remember, Greg used to do
39:08
Speaker 2: a bit of editing with us. He plays about twenty instruments.
39:14
Speaker 2: He's had zero musical lessons, you know, he's produced albums, singer, songwriter,
39:22
Speaker 2: master musician. Give him any instrument, he'll play it by tomorrow.
39:26
Speaker 2: But he plays, you know, keyboards, he plays drums, he
39:29
Speaker 2: plays guitar, he plays bass, he plays lead, he plays rhythm,
39:33
Speaker 2: he plays like everything, and nobody taught him, and he's
39:37
Speaker 2: awesome at all of it. Again, there's not you know,
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Speaker 2: there's not one way. But I think sometimes there's that
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Speaker 2: creative genius that if you just lean into that. You
39:47
Speaker 2: might you might pick up bad habits, but also you
39:50
Speaker 2: might not.
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Speaker 3: But there's things if you just get you just get
39:54
Speaker 3: it and you don't necessarily understand it. Like I didn't
39:58
Speaker 3: just get boxing. So I find I believe that I
40:01
Speaker 3: am a really good teacher for beginners because I had
40:05
Speaker 3: to break that down and really understand it, because I
40:09
Speaker 3: wasn't coordinated. I had to really work at it and
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Speaker 3: get the understanding of what it feels like and what
40:14
Speaker 3: do you mean by that? And how do I move
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Speaker 3: my body like that? How do I make this? How
40:18
Speaker 3: do I punch from the shoulder, or how do I
40:20
Speaker 3: you know? And I think, like when I was doing
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Speaker 3: that little app and reading the music, it's like when
40:26
Speaker 3: you have to focus on something new, you can't focus
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Speaker 3: on the rest. So when you're walking up onto a
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Speaker 3: stage at toast Masters as a beginner with a task,
40:36
Speaker 3: they're telling it, they're teaching you about. Your head's filled
40:40
Speaker 3: with the task. You're thinking about that you can't connect
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Speaker 3: with an audience. But if people just get it, like
40:45
Speaker 3: you just get it, so you don't need to be
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Speaker 3: taught how to interact and meet the room where it's at.
40:52
Speaker 2: And that's the challenge, you're right with something like toast Masters.
40:55
Speaker 2: By the way, I don't think it's bad. I actually
40:57
Speaker 2: think for the most part, it's a good idea and
41:00
Speaker 2: it gives people a platform and there's a lot of
41:02
Speaker 2: good to come out of it. But you're right. One
41:05
Speaker 2: of the challenges is if you want to do a presentation,
41:09
Speaker 2: we've got to pre prepare obviously, then you've got content.
41:12
Speaker 2: And then with for a lot of people, they've got slides,
41:15
Speaker 2: you know, or they've got a set presentation. There's this bit,
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Speaker 2: then this bit. There's ten bits, and bit four comes
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Speaker 2: after bit three, and bit three comes after bit two,
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Speaker 2: and you know, and then at the end there's a
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Speaker 2: conclusion and then there's Q and A. And the problem
41:29
Speaker 2: is that if you're on you know, part two of
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Speaker 2: your ten part presentation, and the audience are lost, and
41:37
Speaker 2: now you're in the middle of like a fucking interpersonal
41:41
Speaker 2: catastrophe because people are looking at their phone and checking
41:44
Speaker 2: their fucking social media and you don't have the capacity
41:48
Speaker 2: to figure that out in real time and go, fucking hell,
41:51
Speaker 2: I've lost the group, but I don't know what to
41:55
Speaker 2: do because I've halfway through point two and point three
41:59
Speaker 2: is next on my slide show. Then not only is
42:03
Speaker 2: that going to be a disaster for the group and
42:05
Speaker 2: for you, it's probably going to fuck your confidence forever.
42:09
Speaker 2: That organization is never going to get you back to
42:11
Speaker 2: speak to them because it was terrible. So it's this
42:16
Speaker 2: synergy and this synthesis of yes, you need content and preparation.
42:21
Speaker 2: But and it's tough because the only way you can
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Speaker 2: get that confidence as you the only way you can
42:26
Speaker 2: get confident in the ring is by being in the ring.
42:29
Speaker 2: You can fucking shadow box around the lounge room until
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Speaker 2: you're ninety two, but until some motherfucker hits you on
42:34
Speaker 2: the gob in the ring, right you like, you know,
42:37
Speaker 2: it's like, dude, you can't There are certain skills you
42:40
Speaker 2: cannot acquire until you're at the cold face, and so
42:43
Speaker 2: you just got to go there be as well prepped
42:46
Speaker 2: as you can. But also, you know, try to be
42:50
Speaker 2: mindful of what's happening in front of you, because if
42:54
Speaker 2: you're creating disconnection not connection and you don't know it,
42:59
Speaker 2: you're opening up a world of hurt. Yeah, all right, Well,
43:02
Speaker 2: I feel like we've banged on. I'm going to go
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Speaker 2: and do some work.
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Speaker 1: I'm going to go and bang some keys?
43:09
Speaker 2: Are you going to bang some keys? Okay? Now, I'm
43:13
Speaker 2: could you Rather than posting every eight minutes, could you
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Speaker 2: just could you and go, oh, look I've got three
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Speaker 2: new chords. Hey do you reckon? You could just like
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Speaker 2: once a week put up something and go, okay, week five,
43:29
Speaker 2: this is what I'm looking like.
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Speaker 1: I could probably work with that.
43:34
Speaker 2: I don't think we need hourly updates on your musical prowess.
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Speaker 1: I don't want to miss out.
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Speaker 2: Yeah no, we're okay. Okay, we're okay? Where okay? And
43:45
Speaker 2: then how excited? Will you be? All right? Have a
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Speaker 2: good day, TIV. Thanks everyone, Thanks