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S3 E2: Should Children be Taken From their Parents to Train as Jedi? · Most Things Kenobi - A Star Wars Podcast

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  Hello there. It's time for most.
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  Things Kenobi. Shouldn't.
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  It be all things Kenobi. Hi everyone.
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  Welcome to another episode of Most Things Kenobi, a podcast
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  about Obi Wan Kenobi and all things Star Wars.
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  I'm your host, Lauren. And I'm your host, Leanne.
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  Well, this week we are diving into a really fun subject.
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  Dude, I am ready to go. I have stuff to say.
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  Yay. OK, great.
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  I love it when podcasters have things to say.
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  No, I'm ready to. I am.
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  I'm. I'm also excited to talk about
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  what we're going to talk about. Yeah, it's about the Jedi taking
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  children when they're very young.
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  But before we get into that, we wanted to do a Patreon shout out
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  'cause we haven't done one for a little while and we just want to
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  Kenobi fam. Yeah, he's great for memes, and
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  he's also great for emotional support.
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  I skipped right over the memes and went for the emotionals, but
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  I'm always here for the memes. Yeah, Hugh does it all so.
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  There's not a thing Hugh can't do.
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  What can you do for you? Maybe he doesn't want me asking
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  that. Yeah, he's probably like please
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  don't, please don't. I'm good.
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  I can't take care of anyone else.
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  We just think you're awesome. Yes, thank you.
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  On to the children. Yes, except we're not stealing
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  any at the tender age of a few. Months.
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  Yeah. This was kind of your idea to
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  talk about this so well. I've been wanting to it's a
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  subject and not only that, with us re watching the Kenobi series
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  during our Patreon watch parties, it's made me think a
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  lot, especially especially when you get to the moments where you
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  know the pyramid where the the sister and brothers are the the
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  the. Oh, the Inquisitor.
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  Inquisitor. Whatever.
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  Yeah, so down in the basement, they've got some floating and
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  yeah, you know, whatever that is preserved in goo.
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  And there's a child, there's a youngling in there.
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  And it's just like, it makes me think all over again, like, how
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  did any of this start? And Kenobi himself tells little
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  Leia, Like, I kind of, I may have had a brother.
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  I remember my mother's shawl. It makes me think about it all
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  over again. And it makes me angry all over
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  again. Well, it makes me question.
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  I have questions and you have things to say.
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  So those two things usually go together, Questions and
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  statements. It's true, it's true.
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  What questions do you have? Well what the hell that's the
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  first one. But whenever I think of this I
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  think back to the original like the the first 3 movies episodes
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  1-2 and three where we have original Anakin like before
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  Vader. Yeah.
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  And they the whole conversation comes up when he's when Qui Gon
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  brings him forward and and I think it's Yoda that says like
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  he's too old. Oh, it's Mesa Windu, Yeah.
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  Mace Windu? Well, of course.
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  Mace Windu Yoda says Luke is too old.
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  OK, well, the point stands. Yeah, he's a young boy.
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  Luke is a grown boy, and they're too old.
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  It's crazy. So my main question is, what are
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  they hoping to accomplish? Are they successful and is it a
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  way to circumvent brainwashing? Yeah, all of these questions.
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  Like if you get them early, you don't have to change their mind,
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  you know? Yeah, I know this really borders
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  on indoctrination. Religion.
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  Yes, yeah. I mean, there's religious
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  indoctrination, there's ideological indoctrination, and
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  indoctrination used to mean education, but it that that
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  definition changed after World War One to mean propaganda.
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  It has like a negative connotation.
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  And one of the things that separates education from
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  indoctrination is those who are indoctrinated are not allowed to
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  question the doctrine that they're taught, right?
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  I did a little research about it and for the most part the Jedi
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  do not encourage questioning their methods.
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  Well, yeah, because whenever someone would question, you'd be
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  like you, you shouldn't be asking that.
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  Yeah. Not like explaining anything.
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  The Council has spoken and you must obey the Council like.
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  Right. Yeah.
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  So that in that sense they say they don't use brainwashing
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  techniques. Well, they don't have to because
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  they get them so young. Exactly.
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  They they raise them in the code at such a young age that they
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  don't know anything else. Experience comes from perhaps
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  going out on to battles like Ahsoka.
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  A lot of questions come up, and even Anakin.
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  Yeah, I'm sure the older Jedi had questions.
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  Qui Gon, that is probably more unheard of.
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  The older you get in the Jedi Council, or at least, you know,
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  in the ranks of being a Jedi, the more unheard of it is to
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  even ask a question. And probably why they were all
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  aghast that Qui Gon brought Anakin forward.
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  How can you ask this of us? He's already too damn old.
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  And I feel like they were trying to explain this with Acolyte but
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  now there's no season 2 so we'll never get the actual exploration
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  that they're working towards. Because I I think there was
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  something about those twin sisters who, forgive me, I've
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  completely forgotten the characters names at this point.
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  Can't even remember what happened yesterday so no way I'm
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  going to remember their names. I think they were trying to show
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  that those girls were brought in for training and that whole
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  setup of how they came in to that independent culture of
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  witches or whatever those women were.
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  That culture was in Acolyte and the Jedi just assumed they
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  should control other people's use of the force and take those
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  children if they're force sensitive.
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  Most of the time in Star Wars Canon, parents have to agree to
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  let their children be taken by the Jedi, and though the mother
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  did eventually kind of agree, I guess the Jedi were really
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  pushing to take those children, whether or not the children or
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  the parents wanted them to go. So that sets my teeth on it.
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  I thought that there was a moment there were the mother.
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  The mother witch wanted the individual to have a choice,
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  right? Have a say in it, which I don't
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  think that if you take a child like the Jedi do, you're not.
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  There is no choice. Now if you follow the Acolyte as
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  well, you can also choose to leave, correct?
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  Or was she kicked out? The one, the one twin.
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  I don't remember. I can't remember either I.
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  Think she left because they I have seen this implied that the
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  Jedi can leave. They can choose to leave, It's
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  not like they're being held against their will.
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  As Jedi, but you're less likely to leave if that's all you've
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  ever known. And plus, I think the Jedi want
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  to take them young as young as possible because the desire or
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  the need for a parental role is then transferred.
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  You don't really know your parents and you're already
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  starting this child on the path of no attachments.
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  Yeah. Because the original attachment
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  that a a baby needs to be raised, you know, whole are two
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  loving parents, if not 2, at least one to care for because a
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  baby is unable to do so. And that attachment is
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  completely severed long before they even form any kind of bond
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  where they're aware of it, you know?
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  Yeah. Yeah, it's interesting when you
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  think about it in terms of just like the hierarchy of needs, you
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  know? Yeah, yes.
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  And so you, you've got, you need, I think the rich, like
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  the, the foundational part of the hierarchy is you need safety
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  and you need shelter, you need food.
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  You know those basics. But then there needs to be an
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  emotional level at some point. And if the Jedi are all about no
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  attachment, how do you raise a child with compassion if they
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  never feel an emotional bond? They must still feel emotional
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  bonds. But the adults is probably the
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  one trying to like maintain a level of non attachment, whereas
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  a child can't help that at all. Agreed.
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  It makes me question whether that's complete, utter fiction.
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  You know, it's just Star Wars, not really possible in real life
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  to to raise a child without attachment.
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  That seems not possible to me. But I don't know think of it.
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  From a Buddhist standpoint, they also are pretty detached from
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  things. But they're not detached from
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  nature, from respect. Respecting others, respecting
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  nature, loving someone. Yeah.
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  Yeah, there's love, there's familial bonds.
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  Those all still exist. So it.
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  But they teach acceptance of loss.
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  So if you lose any of those things, they teach that there's
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  acceptance in that because everything fades, everything
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  passes. It's part of the the process.
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  Letting go is part and parcel with, you know, cherishing
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  something. It's way more balanced.
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  So yeah, again, I find that the extreme Jedi are too extreme.
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  Like it was too extreme. It was so extreme because
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  they're taking these four sensitive individuals, they're
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  raising them, OK? For the most part it works out
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  until you get a few like Anakin or the one in Acolyte, you know,
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  etcetera, etcetera. Yeah.
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  Then what do you do? What went wrong?
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  What part didn't they focus on? Or is it just the human nature
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  that you're not going to be able to cage all of them?
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  Well, like to assume it's related to age.
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  Yeah, that's it's, I don't think it is related to age because
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  Luke Yoda was wrong. Yeah.
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  He was one of the most balanced Jedi.
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  Right. But Luke was able to comprehend
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  balance. Luke was able to see the
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  difference between right and wrong, good and evil.
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  They're still good. An invader.
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  You know, I'm going to go in here and try to help.
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  And if I can't, he had the acceptance of it.
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  He loved his father. He tried to help him.
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  It worked. You know, not everyone's going
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  to win that battle. But that doesn't make him less
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  of a human because he was attached to his father.
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  Yeah. Or attached to the idea that he
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  could the good in his father could come back.
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  I don't know. There's two sides to this
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  argument, right? So it's which is the more
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  effective method? To take someone young and force
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  feed them your doctrine, or to take a person who is developed
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  and has a pliable mind and an open mind and let them choose
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  that path because they chose it for themselves?
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  Is that not a more powerful dedication?
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  Until you get someone who wants to join because they want
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  revenge, and then we're dipping into the Sith like I want to be
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  a trained Jedi so I can exact revenge on, let's say, the
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  slavers. In Anakin's case, which is it
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  ended up happening anyway, killed all those people because
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  his mom, but Anakin didn't go into it.
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  He wanted to be a Jedi. He wanted to, he followed Qui
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  Gon and said he wanted to do this.
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  And he's just a little boy that wanted out of out of town, you
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  know, he wanted to see the world, so to speak.
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  Right. And which of us, at age 9, would
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  make a good choice for ourselves for the rest of our lives?
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  Zero. That's why we depend on the.
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  That's why we depend on parents and guardians.
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  Like everybody would be a paleontologist then because
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  everyone's obsessed with dinosaurs when they're 9.
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  Marine biologist, Girl. Marine biologist.
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  I get it. Yeah, totally.
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  OK, but I'm going to play devil's advocate for a second.
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  Let's go and. Then I'm going to play devil's
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  advocate to my devil's advocates.
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  I love this, let's go. All right, some of us are really
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  opposed to religious indoctrination because we've had
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  bad experiences, right, with religious organizations, right?
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  But who has not experienced this in one form or another?
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  Our parents or whoever is taking care of us.
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  And they're going to have a set of ideals and they're going to
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  start to teach you those from the minute you can start
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  comprehending. Is that, is that any different
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  than what the Jedi are doing? No, like there's plenty of
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  people who are raised Catholic, who are raised Christian or any
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  religion. It doesn't matter.
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  And you are started at a very early age.
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  Even if you're not being taught right out of the religious
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  texts, you're being taught a certain kind of morality or a
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  way that you live your life. So we can get our hackles up
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  really fast at this idea, but the truth is we have all been
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  treated this way. 100% you're right.
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  You're right. O If a parent chooses this for
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  their child and they want them to be raised as a Jedi, that is
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  no different than any other choice.
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  Theoretically. It's a very extreme choice in my
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  opinion. Yeah, but.
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  I mean, it's still like whether they're, if they're choosing not
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  to, that's still the same kind of indoctrination that they are
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  opposed to giving their child away to the Jedi.
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  That's their own form of indoctrination, ideological
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  indoctrination or education. Because it with good parents,
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  there comes a time where you can question things to your parents
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  and they'll allow you to start to question things and find your
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  own path. Theoretically and keep healthy.
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  Yeah, yeah. Guide you, you know.
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  Give you a foundation and then you pick your own future, right?
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  Yeah, yeah. So in that sense, I was when I
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  was researching all this, it's like, OK, well, I don't want to
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  be too hard on it because yeah, who hasn't been?
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  And honestly, in the grand scheme of things, the Jedi are
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  good. What they do is for the
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  betterment of the Galaxy. What they strive to teach is
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  good in the light, etcetera. And whether or not you disagree
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  with the manner of when with with which they go about this,
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  they're still better than they're the better organization
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  then perhaps a force sensitive individual going to the opposite
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  end. This which is the dark, the
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  revenge, the the take all leave nothing mentality of of the dark
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  side. And honestly, I don't think a
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  lot of force sensitive parents really comprehend that there's
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  kind of two sides to this coin. They just I think the Jetta are
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  well known. There's more of them.
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  There isn't just two creeping around, but like if your son or
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  daughter is born with this, wouldn't you want them to be
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  taught how to use it properly? Yeah I would.
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  I would give my kid away but to have no contact is crazy.
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  I know that to me is just it's different because the parents
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  are choosing it, but it's really similar to like it kind of gives
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  me the same ick feeling as the mission schools that they use
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  for Native American kids. You know, they took children,
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  Native American children both here in the US and in Canada and
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  put them in Christian schools and cut their hair and took away
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  their cultural clothing. That's awful as early as
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  possible to ingrain a new culture over the culture that
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  they were born into. And so like again, they were
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  some of them were like literally taken from their parents and
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  never saw them again. So that whole aspect of the Jedi
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  makes me feel really icky because that's been used in the
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  history to wipe out culture and. So.
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  Oh, totally. It's this Gray area and that's
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  why I love that. Like, there, I don't feel like
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  there is a a right or wrong answer here when we're talking
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  about the Jedi specifically. It's just fun to kind of talk
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  around it. Yes, this is an open this.
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  There is no right or wrong answer.
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  It's just fun to ponder because I get the icky.
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  Feeling that you. Do but then I try to talk like,
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  well, OK, what's the alternative?
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  You know? Well, also it depends on what
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  age they were born into. The closer they're born into the
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  Republic era, the worse it is. But I suppose like back, back
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  before it was a little bit more peaceful, even though Acolyte
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  kind of gave us a glimpse into there's shit bullshit going on.
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  There's always evil, there's always evil.
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  So it doesn't matter if you go to a, a, a boarding school, the
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  the Jedi will say, you know, to be taught how to like avoid
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  that. You're still there's still
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  temptation. Sure.
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  Yeah, absolutely. And then, OK, play devil's
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  advocate on this, the ick feeling goes away.
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  If you think about Knights and samurai, they actually did begin
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  training very young. To become a knight.
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  You had to start as a page and then move up to a Squire and
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  then become a knight. And you started at age 7 at
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  least. Yeah, that's what the that's
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  what the Spartans did. Yeah, they trained their sons
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  super early. From very early it was all they
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  focused on and the samurai were the same.
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  The Vikings with the arm rings, they started their boys pretty
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  fucking. And I mean some girls too.
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  Yeah, go shield maidens. But like, it's all culture.
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  Well, and then when you think about that, you're like, oh,
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  that's bad ass. I know, but then you know, but
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  they still got to keep their parents.
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  I don't think there was a Spartan that didn't get to go
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  home and see their parents at the end of their training.
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  Like true family name and everything and defend my
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  father's honor and this that the other you know.
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  Maybe. I guess we we weren't there, so
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  I guess you don't know. Well, I'm saying like the
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  Vikings literally named them like Ragnar son, son of Ragnar.
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  So like, they couldn't escape their parents even if they
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  wanted to. So yeah, yeah, there's still
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  parents involved. I guess.
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  My my big speed bump here in the grand scheme of the Jedi is what
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  why? Why with the parents, you got to
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  remove them from the it's the attachment thing.
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  I know it is. It's got to be, yeah.
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  Then we have Obi Wan talking to Young Lay in the back of that
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  pickup bed, and he remembers glimpses of his family fondly.
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  So do the Jedi have conversations?
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  Is there a class? Is it the Jedi Temple therapist
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  that we always mysteriously wonder if they exist where they
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  talk about this sort of thing? So it's not this big.
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  Oh, you shall not talk about your parents.
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  Parents are gone. You didn't have parents.
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  We are your parents. I don't think it was like that.
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  There must be some like some discussion like your parents
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  wanted this for you. And maybe someday you'll be
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  reunited. I like to think that that's how
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  it went because Obi Wan didn't seem bitter and jaded.
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  No, I mean, he's, it's clear that the Jedi, he said I have a
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  new family. He thinks of them as his family
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  because he really doesn't have the emotional attachment to his
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  birth family, right. The Jedi don't necessarily feel
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  regret. I think.
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  I think you're right that it's got.
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  Wistful. Yeah, because Anakin probably
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  would have been OK if he could have still talked to his mother.
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  I think he would have been an asshole, but I don't think he
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  would have been, you know what I mean?
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  He would have been like a chippy, chirpy, like smart,
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  talking sassy boy, but he wouldn't have been cutting heads
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  off type of sassy boy. But Anakin knew how to love.
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  He knew how to look out and respect because we saw it with
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  Ahsoka, we saw it with some of the cultures that he fought for.
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  We talk about the the little turtle people on Felutia and
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  then the the the Lerman and and the snow, the snowy creatures
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  where he draws like he has respect for entities.
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  Yeah. It he just, it wasn't, it was
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  like it wasn't developed properly.
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  And can that be blamed on his young transition into the Jedi
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  or is that just a something that happens because he was a slave
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  boy like. Exactly, I was just going to say
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  it's not age. Maybe it's slavery instead of
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  age. Maybe it's.
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  Slavery. There's a lot of pent up like
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  this is wrong and how do I make it right?
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  Well, I can't say anything because this guy is going to
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  whip me if I do. Yeah.
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  Isn't Quinlan Boss an an initiate who came later in life
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  and he was a very good Jedi, Yeah.
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  He was. Well, he had.
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  His, I mean, I guess, I guess he fell to the dark side for a
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  little while, but he had his. Moment.
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  But look, he came back. It was just, it was just a
• 22:57
  vacay. It was whatever.
• 22:59
  It was an axe. Yeah, true.
• 23:03
  Well, I don't know. The other thing I, I agree with
• 23:07
  you, I think it has to do with the parents, because my final
• 23:12
  argument to myself was, OK, so Knights and and samurai are like
• 23:17
  elite warriors, right? And they start very young.
• 23:21
  There's a code of conduct or there's a code of ethics.
• 23:23
  They're required to live a certain way.
• 23:25
  Granted, some people broke the rules, but whatever.
• 23:30
  But to me, the the thing that disproves age as being necessary
• 23:36
  is there are still elite warriors to this day.
• 23:40
  There's Navy Seals, there's Delta Force, there's Green
• 23:43
  Beret. None of those people start as
• 23:47
  children. And they would argue that they
• 23:50
  live by a code, They have a conduct that they are.
• 23:53
  There's a unit code usually as well as a part like in addition
• 23:57
  to whatever the military coding would be.
• 24:00
  They're at least 18 years old and older when they join.
• 24:05
  For the most part. I don't think you can join
• 24:06
  earlier than 18 even though you can do like ROTC or whatever in
• 24:09
  high school but that's not the. Same, Yeah.
• 24:12
  So if you want to be an elite performer living by a certain
• 24:17
  code of conduct, you don't have to be a child.
• 24:20
  Right, very true. And so the only excuse I can see
• 24:25
  for the Jedi is that they want to erase the possibility of
• 24:29
  attachment. Which I I've had a problem with.
• 24:33
  This is the beginning. We've done a whole episode on
• 24:36
  Jedi and attachment. Because see previous episode
• 24:40
  about attaching. But like, you know how we both
• 24:44
  feel about that. Yeah, this is very fun.
• 24:47
  I enjoy this. There is.
• 24:48
  I just feel like I'm talking myself in a circle, but I don't
• 24:51
  care. It's interesting.
• 24:53
  So you mentioned Obi once said like I have a new family now
• 24:57
  meaning the Jedi, right? So if you think about in a
• 25:00
  parental context, the child leans on the parents for the
• 25:05
  hierarchy of needs and that sort of thing.
• 25:07
  And then you kind of trust in your new family.
• 25:10
  Let's say that the young Jedi trusts in people like Obi Wan
• 25:13
  and Quinlan and oh God, not Quinlan, somebody else, not
• 25:18
  Quinlan. Oh, Yoda, you know, and and you
• 25:20
  start to like, what is what does a child want from their parents?
• 25:27
  You want approval. You want to know that you're
• 25:29
  doing well. You want praise when you do
• 25:32
  well, you seek that reinforcement to know that
• 25:36
  you're doing what you're supposed to.
• 25:38
  And this is correct. And this is good behavior, if
• 25:41
  you think about it, in the sense of like Anakin.
• 25:44
  And what really happened with Anakin amongst everything else
• 25:48
  is that he never got that you're you're doing well, kid.
• 25:53
  He never got or he thought he never got that.
• 25:55
  Perhaps a little onus is on Obi Wan for not properly showing it.
• 26:00
  Maybe he didn't know how to show it.
• 26:01
  You know, when when you're a teacher, think about teachers
• 26:04
  and students, you don't want to be too close because that's
• 26:07
  inappropriate or, or in the Jedi case, you don't want to be too.
• 26:11
  You don't want to praise them too much because then they might
• 26:13
  like you more. And then the attachment thing
• 26:16
  right? Like always with the fucking
• 26:18
  attachment. But do the young Jedi lack that
• 26:22
  praise, fulfillment of I'm doing well, I'm wanted here?
• 26:28
  Not in a class sense. I'm talking one-on-one.
• 26:31
  Does anyone reinforce positively reinforce these children to the
• 26:36
  point where they feel like so they don't feel like Anakin,
• 26:40
  like I do all this shit for nothing.
• 26:42
  I never get any fuck the Jedi like you know what I mean?
• 26:45
  Like they're because if you don't give any praise and you
• 26:48
  never do anything right, and you're never acknowledged when
• 26:51
  you are doing things correctly, it builds resentment.
• 26:54
  Resentment leads to Anakin. So just to sum it all up, you
• 26:59
  know what I'm saying? Like a child who's never paid
• 27:02
  any attention to and is never kind of like, hey, that's a
• 27:05
  really good job. You, you're doing so well.
• 27:09
  If you don't get that, what's the point?
• 27:12
  I would think as a kid that's neglect, right?
• 27:17
  A form of emotional neglect. I mean, OK, I'm not qualified to
• 27:21
  answer this, but we have several listeners I know and in our
• 27:25
  paper group who who are clinicians.
• 27:28
  This is a good question for you guys.
• 27:30
  Can you withhold positive reinforcement?
• 27:33
  Can you withhold physical affection because children need
• 27:37
  to be hugged and feel safe, be close to their mother's
• 27:41
  heartbeat? You know, this, all this.
• 27:43
  Granted, there's plenty of people who their parents pass
• 27:46
  away or they're raised in foster or adoption, you know?
• 27:50
  But can you grow up without affection and not have some sort
• 27:58
  of what's the word I'm looking for?
• 28:01
  It's not necessarily like trauma, but dissonance.
• 28:05
  Like, yeah, yeah, like a separation.
• 28:07
  Yes, yeah, I I don't have an answer.
• 28:10
  A detachment. Yeah, I exactly, Yeah.
• 28:14
  Some all the things yeah. So when I was saying all that I
• 28:19
  I was kind of stuttering and and talking in herky jerky because I
• 28:23
  knew that it was border bordering on me like semi
• 28:27
  diagnosing and I'm not trying to do that, but it it does.
• 28:30
  I do want to know, do the most successful Jedi get some kind of
• 28:36
  positive reinforcement throughout?
• 28:39
  Do they get more hugs than others?
• 28:41
  Has anyone done a study in the Jedi?
• 28:43
  Are there any scientists in the Jedi temple?
• 28:47
  Because they got to be in the same level as the therapist that
• 28:51
  Anakin didn't visit. Yeah, you know what I mean?
• 28:55
  Somebody's got to do a study. I know I'm really curious now
• 28:59
  and of course I'm sure there's no documentation probably on
• 29:04
  this. We would have to ask Dave Filoni
• 29:06
  directly. Oh, I will.
• 29:09
  Let's do it tomorrow. Also, congratulations, Dave
• 29:14
  Filoni for being the new man of Star Wars.
• 29:17
  We knew you could do it. We knew you could do it.
• 29:21
  Don't let us down. That being said, I'm just
• 29:26
  curious, how young is too young and does it have an impact?
• 29:30
  We already know that Anakin, quote UN quote is too old and
• 29:33
  anything beyond young Anakin is too old according to them.
• 29:38
  So how how young is too young? Because we saw that Clone Wars
• 29:41
  episode where they're stealing babies, remember?
• 29:43
  Yeah. Children of the Force CAD Bane
• 29:46
  is hired by Sidious to steal a Jedi holocron containing the
• 29:49
  names of four sensitive children and kidnap them for SIFT
• 29:52
  training. That's the one.
• 29:54
  It's Season 2, Episode 3. Children of the Force.
• 29:58
  The hell is going on here? Well the like at least the Jedi
• 30:02
  don't kidnap children, they are theoretically supposed to talk
• 30:07
  to parents. And I've always wondered, OK so
• 30:09
  the Jedi have a list, a holocron with a list.
• 30:13
  But does that mean at some point the Jedi approach the parents?
• 30:16
  Or is it always the on the parents to approach the Jedi we
• 30:20
  have? Has that question ever been
• 30:22
  answered in Canon? That it's a great question I
• 30:25
  don't have an answer to. If someone out there does,
• 30:28
  please answer. That's a good question.
• 30:31
  We have so many questions. And I was going to say, most of
• 30:34
  this episode is us just asking questions.
• 30:38
  Well, there's a lot of questions to ask when it comes to
• 30:40
  children. We just want the best for them,
• 30:42
  and I'm sure that the Jedi also wanted the best for them.
• 30:46
  They certainly didn't want the same thing that the Sith
• 30:49
  stealing the children wanted. Yes.
• 30:52
  That was all just another part of Palpatine's bullshit, and he
• 30:55
  made sure Anakin was one of the ones to go get those children
• 30:59
  with Ahsoka. You know, they didn't send the
• 31:02
  two adults. They had to send the two
• 31:04
  children to go get the children. Well, they're not children,
• 31:07
  they're teenagers, but you know what I mean.
• 31:09
  I'm exhausted now. We we've gone around in a circle
• 31:12
  4 times with no no answer. We knew we were going to do
• 31:16
  this. Yeah, I mean, it's a it's a Gray
• 31:19
  area for sure. I understand it.
• 31:22
  It makes me feel icky sometimes. But clearly it's worked out OK
• 31:27
  if you make a Jedi like Obi Wan Kenobi.
• 31:30
  That's what I'm saying. It turned out good for the most
• 31:33
  part. But then Luke was also a really
• 31:36
  good Jedi as he became yes quote UN quote indoctrinated when he
• 31:39
  was like 22. And there's Ray, who's like the
• 31:44
  biggest mix of all wrong things and she's fine.
• 31:48
  Does it have to do more with the teacher?
• 31:50
  Don't know. Or how about we just have
• 31:52
  personalities? You know, actually all the best
• 31:59
  Jedi had great personalities. Who's great again?
• 32:03
  Chiari Mundi. I'm sorry, just.
• 32:06
  Kidding. How dare you?
• 32:08
  I'm sorry, sorry, had to throw them in there somehow.
• 32:13
  I think we need to have like a licensed clinician on so we can
• 32:17
  ask them all our. Questions, yeah, but still.
• 32:21
  There's no. It won't be like a solid answer,
• 32:24
  but at least yes. Exactly.
• 32:25
  Human our world kind of answers about whether or not that would
• 32:30
  actually be possible or if they would really just be causing
• 32:34
  long term damage to a child. Literally, yeah.
• 32:37
  And do we really want to know the answer or should we just
• 32:39
  stay in this Galaxy universe that's all fake and it's just
• 32:43
  ATV show and it's just a movie and it's, you know, yeah, it's
• 32:48
  just George Lucas, right? I tried to look to see if it's
• 32:53
  based on a culture. Yeah, I can find anything.
• 32:56
  Nothing. All the things that I found were
• 32:58
  negative references to religious indoctrination, and I don't
• 33:02
  think that's what the Jedi are based on, so no.
• 33:07
  I think they just don't want the force to be used incorrectly and
• 33:13
  I don't blame them. Yeah, so they try and grab them
• 33:15
  while they're young, train them. That's it.
• 33:19
  Don't use the dark side. Be afraid of the dark side.
• 33:22
  But somewhere along the way, we lose a few to the thing that
• 33:25
  they're teaching them not to do. So human nature, nature versus
• 33:29
  nurture, we could go on for days.
• 33:32
  I guess we just put a stop to it here because I don't.
• 33:37
  I mean, I'm out of questions for now.
• 33:41
  It is fun to toss this around with you.
• 33:44
  This was great. This is such a good subject.
• 33:46
  I know we've also talked about discussing slavery in Star Wars,
• 33:50
  and I think that also will be a very juicy episode with maybe a
• 33:55
  lot of questions. What we could do is just go down
• 33:58
  through the Jedi code and break it down one piece by piece and
• 34:02
  question everything. Just play devil's advocate to
• 34:04
  the whole thing. Yeah, and then we could do the
• 34:08
  same with the Sith code and see where it might actually be good.
• 34:14
  All righty. Maybe the Sith weren't wrong.
• 34:17
  I don't. Know there's a balance in there
• 34:20
  somewhere, and Luke Skywalker is the one who's going to bring it
• 34:23
  to us, OK? I am here for it.
• 34:26
  Luke can save me anytime. A to the man, all the men.
• 34:40
  All right, our next episode is actually going to drop on a
• 34:43
  weird day. Yes.
• 34:46
  I think it's a Saturday because we are participating in Star
• 34:51
  Wars Podcast Day 2026, the first time it's going to be dropping
• 34:57
  on February 7th, which like I said, I think is a Saturday.
• 35:00
  And it's just an opportunity to kind of promote podcasting in
• 35:04
  the Star Wars universe. And we don't know what we're
• 35:07
  going to talk about, so you'll have to tune in to see.
• 35:11
  Yes, chances are it will be about Obi Wan.
• 35:14
  So you don't want to miss it, Yeah.
• 35:16
  Our favorite subject Our. Favorite subject?
• 35:19
  Always. Oh boy.
• 35:23
  New Year's resolutions were what?
• 35:25
  That was a hit. We got so many comments.
• 35:28
  We got comments on Tumblr, we got comments on YouTube,
• 35:31
  Instagram. Yeah, y'all were in it to win it
• 35:35
  with this one. So Lauren's got them up and
• 35:37
  she's going to read a couple because we got so many.
• 35:41
  We love them. All right, Tara on YouTube said
• 35:45
  Anakin needs like a weekly hypnotherapy session and it
• 35:49
  needs to be mandatory. I do not disagree.
• 35:57
  Yep. Pieces of the story SL3 XW on
• 36:04
  YouTube said. I was thinking that Hans might
• 36:06
  be that he needs to finally work on finding or creating a
• 36:09
  hyperdrive that can't be tampered with or broken so
• 36:12
  easily. That's excellent.
• 36:15
  He could do it. That's something you could
• 36:17
  achieve. Yes, Yes, yes.
• 36:22
  Maybe he could sell them if you figured that out and then, you
• 36:25
  know, Yeah. Protect everybody.
• 36:29
  Take Leo on that vacation she needs.
• 36:32
  Girl, yes. Right.
• 36:34
  Please. Huh.
• 36:35
  Do the right thing, OK on Tumblr, I'm so sorry.
• 36:41
  I cannot pronounce this username because it's it's a YUZAWAKURAN.
• 36:51
  I'm sorry, I don't know how to pronounce that.
• 36:53
  That is a lot of letters. But they said that they wanted
• 36:59
  Krenik to have to wear a stress monitor.
• 37:05
  They said imagine it beeping random times because he's just
• 37:09
  trying to keep it together. His heart is pounding, setting
• 37:14
  it off. There does this thing need
• 37:16
  charged? How does it stay powered?
• 37:18
  Because it would be dead in an hour.
• 37:21
  That's. True.
• 37:25
  Not him the the stress monitor. Yeah, yeah.
• 37:29
  Oh yeah, yeah. Yeah, not not.
• 37:31
  Printed No, no no, it explodes. He can take the pressure, the
• 37:37
  sensor cannot. I like this one.
• 37:40
  I approve. Oh my goodness.
• 37:43
  And our dear friend Adela on Instagram said I feel like
• 37:46
  Anakin's New Year's resolution would be to learn a new Droid
• 37:49
  language. Old ones would be to quit
• 37:52
  drinking because Anakin is only Obi Wan drinks and qui gun would
• 37:55
  have have one like pick less fights with the council.
• 38:02
  All achievable I think. Probably all necessary.
• 38:07
  Necessary, yes. Achievable, maybe.
• 38:10
  I love it. You guys are amazing, all of
• 38:13
  you. Even the ones we didn't get a
• 38:14
  chance to read on air, we read them.
• 38:16
  We love them. Yes, delightful.
• 38:18
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• 38:22
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• 38:24
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