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UK Column News Podcast 8th November 2024 · UK Column Radio

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Speaker 1: Good afternoon.
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Speaker 2: It's Friday, the eighth of November twenty twenty four, just
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Speaker 2: one o'clock. Welcome the UK column News. I'm your host
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Speaker 2: Mike Rubinson joining me today. We have Mark Anderson and
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Speaker 2: Debbie Evans. Welcome to the program.
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Speaker 1: Both.
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Speaker 2: We're going to get started with some good news apparently
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Speaker 2: from Slovakia. So if we put this on screen, we've
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Speaker 2: got well we do a quick translation of it here
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Speaker 2: and the headline says Fiito has announced the COVID amnesty.
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Speaker 2: The state will return the money for fines at the
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Speaker 2: time of the pandemic. So Robert Fitzo apparently has approved
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Speaker 2: some legislation. It still has to be passed through parliament
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Speaker 2: in Slovakia, so depending on what they do, we will
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Speaker 2: see whether it actually comes fruition. But in the meantime,
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Speaker 2: he's saying that anyone who was fined for violating COVID
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Speaker 2: nineteen measures can seek compensation for the state. Once this
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Speaker 2: passes through parliament and gets final approval, they will have
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Speaker 2: six months from that day to apply for that compensation.
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Speaker 1: He said.
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Speaker 2: The same option may also be available for those who've
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Speaker 2: been placed on a so called mandatory quarantine where they
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Speaker 2: had to cover the meal fee at their own expense,
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Speaker 2: and so they will also be able to apply to
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Speaker 2: recover that cost as well. He's saying that the compensation
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Speaker 2: was going to take was going to cost the country
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Speaker 2: about three point three million euros, and he's saying that
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Speaker 2: that's actually less and he thought it would be. But
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Speaker 2: nonetheless that money is going to be there to be claimed.
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Speaker 2: And he's also talking about a legal amnesty for anybody
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Speaker 2: that was prosecuted under this legislation, because he's saying some
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Speaker 2: people were finding it difficult to find jobs with the
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Speaker 2: criminal record.
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Speaker 1: I supposed that came with that.
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Speaker 2: So Debbie, maybe I could welcome you to the program
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Speaker 2: first of all and get your thoughts on this.
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Speaker 3: Well, is it going to be rolled out in this country?
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Speaker 3: I'm going going to be asking because many people got
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Speaker 3: punishment about the politicians, will they will any politicians that
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Speaker 3: were fined, et cetera. Will they be getting it back?
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Speaker 3: How is this going to work? But I mean, clearly
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Speaker 3: those finds should never have been imposed. Look up should
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Speaker 3: never have happened, in my opinion. But perhaps more to
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Speaker 3: talk about that in extra.
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Speaker 2: Yes, Mark, any thoughts on whether that should be ruled out?
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Speaker 2: Perhaps in the United States. How many people were prosecuted
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Speaker 2: for breaking COVID restrictions in the US?
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Speaker 4: Boy, I wish I knew the answer to that question, Mike,
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Speaker 4: I don't know, but the principle is right. But as
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Speaker 4: Debbie said, there will be others who won't pay the
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Speaker 4: price they ought to pay for their malfeasans and their corruption.
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Speaker 4: But at least it's a step in the right direction.
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Speaker 4: Let's hope it passes that parliament.
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Speaker 2: Yes, indeed, so we'll keep everybody posted on that as
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Speaker 2: it develops. Okay, Mark, let me bring it onto your
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Speaker 2: first segment here, and you want to talk about the
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Speaker 2: Council for Foreign Relations and what they think about Donald
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Speaker 2: Trump's election.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, Donald Trump? Will he be the savior? Will he
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Speaker 4: be the bane for freedom? It's an interesting question. A
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Speaker 4: lot of people are asking it. One way to measure
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Speaker 4: a politician is what the globalists think about him. And
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Speaker 4: what better globalist organization than the Council on Foreign Relations,
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Speaker 4: which of course has an ideological linkage to Chatham House. Anyway,
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Speaker 4: this first slide, former President Donald Trump is vying for
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Speaker 4: another term to continue his America First policies, which offer
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Speaker 4: a marked departure from previous Democratic and Republican presidential administrations.
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Speaker 4: Excuse me, And what's notable there, Mike, is that the
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Speaker 4: CFR sees Donald Trump as being different from other Republican administrations,
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Speaker 4: not just different from the obviously different Democrats. So Trump
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Speaker 4: in a way has redefined the Republican Party. It appears
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Speaker 4: to be more populist, it appears to be less global mobilist.
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Speaker 4: These things can be nuanced. We have to wait and see.
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Speaker 4: The proof is in the putting. Nevertheless, I call this
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Speaker 4: as this slide shows the CFR's globalism exam of Donald Trump,
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Speaker 4: and he doesn't get exactly a good grade from the CFR.
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Speaker 4: If he were in school, he'd at least beginning a D,
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Speaker 4: maybe a D minus. The things that were covered AI
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Speaker 4: and technology, China, climate change, defence and NATO, global health
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Speaker 4: and pandemic prevention, immigration and border security, inflation, debt, and
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Speaker 4: the economy Israel, Gaza, in the Middle East, Russia, Ukraine,
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Speaker 4: and lastly trade. This is the things the CFR graded
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Speaker 4: him on. Moving on from there, I'll hit the highlights.
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Speaker 4: This is right from the CFR report and exam of
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Speaker 4: Donald Trump. Trump has sought to confront China over what
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Speaker 4: he says is a suite of economic abuses, intellectual property, theft,
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Speaker 4: currency manipulation, export and other subsidies, and even economic I know.
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Speaker 4: She says aggressive action is required to protect American workers
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Speaker 4: and reduce US large bilateral trade deficit. Trump says his
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Speaker 4: policies would well completely eliminate dependence on China in all
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Speaker 4: critical areas, including dependency on electronics, steel, and pharmaceuticals. That
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Speaker 4: last one is a sensitive one. As president, excuse me,
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Speaker 4: Trump started what the CFR calls a trade war with China,
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Speaker 4: applying tariffs that now average eighteen percent to hundreds of
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Speaker 4: billions of dollars worth of Chinese goods. Trump has floated
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Speaker 4: tripling these tariffs tariffs if re elected. This was right
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Speaker 4: before the election. Moving on, Trump has said he would
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Speaker 4: revoke China's Most Favored Nation status. That's another big one,
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Speaker 4: a trade status that the US granted China when it
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Speaker 4: joined the wto back in one, Trump says he would
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Speaker 4: adopt a four year plan to phase out imports of
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Speaker 4: essential goods from China. A lot of American workers support that.
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Speaker 4: Of course, the Republican platform calls for restricting Chinese investment
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Speaker 4: in US real estate and industry. Let's park there for
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Speaker 4: just a moment. You remember my recar reports on Chinese
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Speaker 4: insourcing and near sourcing, where it could go as far
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Speaker 4: as Chinese companies buying real estate in the US and
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Speaker 4: selling and manufacturing Chinese made goods within US borders. That's
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Speaker 4: in sourcing. So that's a really important point right there
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Speaker 4: that the CFR is bringing out. Moving on, still looking
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Speaker 4: at that same image, Trump has emphasized that these tariffs
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Speaker 4: and other import restrictions would apply to essential medicines such
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Speaker 4: as penicillin, which he says should be produced in the
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Speaker 4: United States. So some more economic self sufficiency is being
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Speaker 4: talked about there. I'll kind of cherry pick some of this.
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Speaker 4: The Trump administration condemned Beijing's state led industrial policy, which
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Speaker 4: seeks to make China a world leader in advanced technology.
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Speaker 4: While in office Trump's first term, he introduced export controls
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Speaker 4: on semiconductors and chip making equipment to prevent China from
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Speaker 4: acquiring such technologies, and back in twenty eighteen, Trump backs
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Speaker 4: some reform giving US regulators greater power to review foreign
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Speaker 4: acquisitions by China and other countries and block several attempts
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Speaker 4: of US technology companies to Chinese firms. So he blocked
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Speaker 4: several attempted sales of US technology companies to Chinese firms,
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Speaker 4: just to make that clear, and ramped up restrictions on
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Speaker 4: Chinese telecommunications gianted Hauawei Hawei. However, you say it worrying
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Speaker 4: that such firms can be manipulated by Beijing, but he
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Speaker 4: had now opposes Trump opposes the potential ban of TikTok.
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Speaker 4: And we'll keep going here and try and summarize this
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Speaker 4: up as clearly as we can. This slide is a
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Speaker 4: little longer. I summarized it to the right here. Climate
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Speaker 4: change is regarding Donald J. Trump, According to the CFR.
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Speaker 4: Number one, Trump doubts climate change science. They say that
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Speaker 4: he doubts the science. Trump wants more fossil fuels partly
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Speaker 4: to tame inflation. Number three, Trump would again leave the
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Speaker 4: Paris Climate Accord, like he did during twenty seventeen, right
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Speaker 4: when the Bildeberg meanings started in Virginia. And the CFR
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Speaker 4: says Trump opposes a widespread electric vehicle scheme, calling it
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Speaker 4: a major tax burden. Of course, how would you tame
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Speaker 4: inflation with more fossil fuels? Well, if you get the
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Speaker 4: cost of fuels down That means the delivery of goods
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Speaker 4: to the various markets goes down, and therefore the price
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Speaker 4: tags of goods and services can go down. That's the
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Speaker 4: connection between fuels and inflation. Now, this is also the
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Speaker 4: CFR talking about foreign policy. Of course, this is to
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Speaker 4: do with NATO. Trump says he'll reassess the US role
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Speaker 4: in NATO Transatlantic Defense Alliance, founded to counter the Soviet threat.
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Speaker 4: The CFR also says Trump harshly criticized NATO backet during
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Speaker 4: his first term, reportedly telling to European officials in twenty
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Speaker 4: twenty that NATO is dead, which of course is an overstatement,
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Speaker 4: and repeatedly threatened to abandon the alliance. I'm not sure
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Speaker 4: that those threats were really all that genuine, but it
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Speaker 4: was a good rhetoric at the time, and the CFR
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Speaker 4: and I emphasized this. I added the emphasis on this.
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Speaker 4: The CFR says Trump has long vocalized his opposition to
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Speaker 4: NATO's Collective Defense Clause, which stipulates that other NATO allies
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Speaker 4: must come to the defense of a maybor member country
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Speaker 4: if it is attacked. Excuse me, now, that's really critical.
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Speaker 4: That echoes what Pat Buchanan used to say that if
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Speaker 4: Estonia is attacked by Russia, let's say, should American boys
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Speaker 4: die on that battlefield? Perhaps you can and would ask
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Speaker 4: that question. Anyway. I wrote up some of this based
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Speaker 4: on what the CFR said. This summarizes all the different
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Speaker 4: talking points defense and NATO, more military spending, yet reduced
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Speaker 4: troop presence abroad. This is what Trump would do, increase
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Speaker 4: military spending, but at the same time reduce our troop presence, inflation, debt,
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Speaker 4: and the economy. Trump oversaw the passage of a twenty
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Speaker 4: seventeen bill that lowered the corporate tax rate from thirty
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Speaker 4: five to twenty one percent. He changed the way multi
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Speaker 4: national firms are taxed, and he lowered the individual income
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Speaker 4: tax rates, which kind of answers the criticism that Trump
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Speaker 4: would sometimes get that he's only catering to the rich
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Speaker 4: by lowering individual income tax rates. He was trying to
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Speaker 4: say that he cared about everybody. Some of these provisions,
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Speaker 4: the CFR reminded us, are set to expire in twenty
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Speaker 4: twenty five unless Congress reauthorizes them. The Republican Platform reportedly
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Speaker 4: reportedly calls for making these tax adjustments permanent. Trump has
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Speaker 4: called and I added this emphasis. Trump has called for
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Speaker 4: further lowering the corporate tax rate to fifteen percent for
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Speaker 4: firms that make their goods in the US, and he
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Speaker 4: would eliminate taxes, he says, on tips and social security benefits.
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Speaker 4: That's a nod to the poorer classes. That's a nod
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Speaker 4: to the senior citizens. And some other summaries on the
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Speaker 4: different CFR points in their exam Global health pandemic prevention.
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Speaker 4: Trump did authorize the public private operation warp Speed in
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Speaker 4: twenty twenty for a particularly fast COVID BAX development. Yet
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Speaker 4: that same year he froze WHO funding and condemned lockdowns.
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Speaker 4: That's the World Health Organization, so that's kind of an
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Speaker 4: interesting nuance. Immigration and border security, Trump also promises to
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Speaker 4: increase counter narcotics cooperation with neighboring governments such as Mexico,
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Speaker 4: which is similar to what former Arizona Sheriff Joe Orpio
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Speaker 4: has told me personally, work with Mexico internally to prevent
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Speaker 4: a lot of contraband and cartel assets from getting to
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Speaker 4: the US in the first place. In other words, plus,
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Speaker 4: Trump supposedly would implement history's largest deportation plan, ever that
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Speaker 4: remains to be seen. He would re estate, remain in
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Speaker 4: Mexico where you have to stay there to apply for amnesty,
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Speaker 4: and end birthright citizenship. Trump supposedly would also end birthright
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Speaker 4: citizenship and continue border wall construction other categories. As we
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Speaker 4: wind this up, Trump repeatedly says that he probably supports Israel.
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Speaker 4: His travel bands to the US may include Gozan's, and
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Speaker 4: Trump feels Iran, at least in terms of Trump's official statements.
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Speaker 4: He feels Iran as the top terrorism sponsor. He feels
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Speaker 4: Putin made a mistake in baiting Ukraine, but Trump likely
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Speaker 4: won't support usaid to Ukraine, and Trump supposedly supposedly wants
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Speaker 4: to end the war as soon as possible. Mike, We've
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Speaker 4: often heard that one of the first things in office
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Speaker 4: that he would do is allegedly end that war. So
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Speaker 4: that's a fairly detailed summation of what the CFR has
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Speaker 4: to say about Trump. And even though they wrote this
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Speaker 4: as objectively and as unbiasedly as they could, you can
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Speaker 4: detect their disdain and you can detect the fact that
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Speaker 4: they're concerned that Trump runs contrary to so many of
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Speaker 4: their globalist principles. But Mike, you might want to chime
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Speaker 4: in on.
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Speaker 2: This, well, Mark, The first question I suppose is who
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Speaker 2: do you think he's going to end up with in
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Speaker 2: his team. He's obviously selected his main advisor there, but
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Speaker 2: Mike Pompeio's name, for example, has been has come back
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Speaker 2: into the mix potentially for defense and so on. I mean,
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Speaker 2: who else do you think might be potentially and his
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Speaker 2: tayment and therefore, you know he is saying lots of
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Speaker 2: positive things, but what do you think his ability to
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Speaker 2: actually obtain those is.
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Speaker 4: That's a good question. Well, one of the irities, of course,
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Speaker 4: is the very Consulate for Our Relations that's giving this
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Speaker 4: overview and grating him, is one of the organizations that
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Speaker 4: opposes what he wants to do, and they have a
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Speaker 4: lot of power of getting people into office, getting people
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Speaker 4: perhaps even into Trump's administration, who actually carry the torch
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Speaker 4: for the CFR. So the CFR itself will oppose it
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Speaker 4: in some direct or indirect way. One of the things
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Speaker 4: I'm hearing talking to a lot of friends, talking to
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Speaker 4: a lot of people whose opinions I value, is that
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Speaker 4: Trump's going to have to really produce. He's going to
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Speaker 4: really be under the microscope by his own supporters, and
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Speaker 4: he's got one term to do it, and they're going
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Speaker 4: to be very skeptical if he starts turning away from
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Speaker 4: his core promises. Who he selects, it's a little soon
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Speaker 4: to be a little soon to tell who he'll select.
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Speaker 4: Mike Pompeo, of course, is a neo con largely a hawk,
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Speaker 4: very hawkish defense wise. I think it would be better
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Speaker 4: if he avoided Pompeo, a former Kansas congressman and former
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Speaker 4: head of the CIA, for a short time. But I
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Speaker 4: think that'd be a good report for next week. Mike
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Speaker 4: is take a look at some of the people he's
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Speaker 4: beginning to sign on. He just got started, and it's
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Speaker 4: pretty clear.
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Speaker 2: He has a lot of support obviously in the United
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Speaker 2: States because he won the popular vote even which is
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Speaker 2: something that hasn't happened in quite a long time. But
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Speaker 2: I mean a lot of support internationally and including in
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Speaker 2: the UK for what he stands for and what he represents.
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Speaker 2: And so you know, what do you think about that
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Speaker 2: and the fact that the expectations that he is going
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Speaker 2: to deliver.
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Speaker 4: Well, the expectations are high, as I mentioned, and even
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Speaker 4: in the UK, those that support him and put confidence
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Speaker 4: in him, just like here, what they need to do
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Speaker 4: is they need to raise hgublel if he doesn't bide
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Speaker 4: by at least his core promises. A lot of people
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Speaker 4: here are going to be looking at the border and
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Speaker 4: the deportation thing. One of the slippery points, of course
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Speaker 4: is Israel. There's a lot of nuance there. We can
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Speaker 4: talk about it a little bit in extra. He tries
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Speaker 4: to play both sides of the field a little bit.
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Speaker 4: We'll get into that, but that'll be one of the
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Speaker 4: tougher points. But in the days and weeks ahead, Mike
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Speaker 4: I and others in UK column, of course, will be
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Speaker 4: bringing out a lot more about this.
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Speaker 2: Okay, thanks Mark, and we will talk more about this
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Speaker 2: an extra. But let's move on then to Vladimir Putin,
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Speaker 2: and he's been speaking at the Valdai Club yesterday and
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Speaker 2: gave out one hour presentation and then stood up for
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Speaker 2: three hours of questions. He didn't have a script for
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Speaker 2: any of this. He was talking about Trump and offering
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Speaker 2: Trump his congratulations for winning the elections and so on,
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Speaker 2: but he was really suggesting that the United States has
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Speaker 2: been the rails for quite some time now, in fact,
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Speaker 2: the Western world in general. So he said that we
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Speaker 2: twenty years or more are likely to be extremely difficult
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Speaker 2: and turbulent ahead because of a part struggle a deep
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Speaker 2: clash over the fundamental principles guiding international relations. He warned
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Speaker 2: of a threat to humanity, talking about potential for aggressive
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Speaker 2: anarchy and abandoning traditional values. He talked about Western elites
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Speaker 2: blind belief in their impunity and exceptionalism that that could
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Speaker 2: lead to global disaster. He talked about Western liberalism having
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Speaker 2: devolved into a form of intolerance toward any kind of
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Speaker 2: independent or sovereign thought. He talked about crises and systemic
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Speaker 2: crises intensifying in Western countries and that Russia doesn't He
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Speaker 2: did those say that Russia doesn't see Western civilization as
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Speaker 2: an enemy. He rejects the US versus them mentality. He
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Speaker 2: was talking about the dollar and the fact well as
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Speaker 2: he perceives that the dollar is you know, we said
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Speaker 2: Russia is not abandoning the dollar. He effectively said the
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Speaker 2: dollars abandoning Russia, and that it's an active suicide on
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Speaker 2: the part of the United States because the dollar is
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Speaker 2: the main pillar of the par and therefore they're effectively
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Speaker 2: excluding Russia from that and other countries abandoning it as
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Speaker 2: a result. Is pretty devastating for them. So many other
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Speaker 2: points to make there, and we'll maybe talk a little
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Speaker 2: bit much more about that and extra as well. But
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Speaker 2: it's well worth listening to the presentation if anybody's interested.
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Speaker 2: But let's come back to the UK then, and Debbie,
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Speaker 2: we've got what are we talking about?
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Speaker 1: Climate? Health? One health? These types of topics?
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Speaker 3: Well, yes, the first thing I'm going to say is whoa,
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Speaker 3: I've been down a rabbit hole and you'll know why
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Speaker 3: I've said that. So on Monday's News, Ben Ruben was
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Speaker 3: talking about the impact that climate change was having on health,
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Speaker 3: talked about the Global Consortium on Climate and Health Education,
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Speaker 3: he talked about Terra Carta and he also talked about
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Speaker 3: Sapascal Sorrio, CEO of Astrozenica. So will climate change in
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Speaker 3: inverted commerce kill the most people? Well, I think we've
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Speaker 3: got a bit of a competition on and here's why.
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Speaker 3: So I want to introduce you to zoonosis, because I'm
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Speaker 3: sure a lot of you have heard the term zuonosis.
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Speaker 5: What is it?
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Speaker 3: Well, it's any disease or infection that's naturally transmissible, naturally
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Speaker 3: transmissible from vertebrate animals to humans. Two hundred types of
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Speaker 3: zonosis rabies, and of course the vaccination that we know
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Speaker 3: about is one of them. However, I also want to
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Speaker 3: introduce you to reverse zoonosis. Now, what is reverse zunosis.
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Speaker 3: There's only a limited amount of research on this on
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Speaker 3: how disease spreads from humans to animals. And this paper
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Speaker 3: goes on, or at least this article and Discover magazine
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Speaker 3: goes on to say and to remind us that pandemics
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Speaker 3: like the nineteen eighteen flu and covid in commas were
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Speaker 3: derived from zoonotic and reverse zoonosis process. However, only the
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Speaker 3: zoonotic or only zoonosis has been focused on. But now
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Speaker 3: reverse zunosis has has sought to be a global threat
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Speaker 3: and they're saying more research is needed. So you know,
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Speaker 3: we're looking at all of this one health and I
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Speaker 3: want to take you back to the who, of course,
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Speaker 3: who talk about one health, which is basically linking humans, animals,
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Speaker 3: the environment to global health security, because that's what it's
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Speaker 3: all about. But we actually have our own one Health Institute,
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Speaker 3: so the UC Davis One Health Institute you can see
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Speaker 3: here that's it professes to train future leaders. But what
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Speaker 3: is it? What does it actually say it's doing? So
20:47
Speaker 3: because of the one health narrative, they say that because
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Speaker 3: of humans have spread out, we've mixed with animals more
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Speaker 3: so therefore that's affecting how we feel and it's affecting disease.
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Speaker 3: So how about separating us. You can see perhaps where
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Speaker 3: fifteen minute cities are coming in, because where do domestic
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Speaker 3: pets feature in fifteen minute cities? And we'll be finding
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Speaker 3: out more soon with Roger Meekok. So these are some
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Speaker 3: of the agendas that they deal in. And you can
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Speaker 3: see the pre Empt Project that's preempting threats zoonotic diseases
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Speaker 3: like Ebola and lasser Hali, Project Bovine TB predict Projects,
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Speaker 3: surveillance and wildlife and we've got the Global viralm Project
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Speaker 3: there which is ending the pandemic era. So a lot
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Speaker 3: going on at UC Davis. But I want to introduce
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Speaker 3: you to WHOA and what is WOWA. Well, welcome to
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Speaker 3: the World Organization of Animal Health. And it sounds a
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Speaker 3: bit like who doesn't it, But they say, and you
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Speaker 3: might disagree with this, but they say that they operate
21:50
Speaker 3: independently and they want to improve animal health and welfare.
21:54
Speaker 3: They were founded over one hundred years ago and they've
21:57
Speaker 3: got twenty eight founding nations and they want work together
22:00
Speaker 3: on one Health. And I've got a little bit of video.
22:03
Speaker 3: We've edited it down. Please go and have a look
22:05
Speaker 3: at the full video, because just listen to what they
22:09
Speaker 3: actually or who they actually are.
22:13
Speaker 6: Collaboration across sectors and disciplines through a one Health approach
22:17
Speaker 6: is a vital need for addressing the complex health challenges
22:21
Speaker 6: facing our society. No one organization can do it alone. Therefore,
22:29
Speaker 6: the Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations, the
22:33
Speaker 6: UN Environment Program, the World Health Organization, and the World
22:37
Speaker 6: Organization for Animal Health have come together as a quadripartite.
22:43
Speaker 6: They have launched the One Health Joint Plan of Action
22:47
Speaker 6: to integrate and coordinate strategies and actions across the human, animal, plants,
22:52
Speaker 6: and environmental sectors. This new plan focuses on supporting and
22:58
Speaker 6: scaling up countries capacit in six main areas health systems,
23:03
Speaker 6: zoonotic diseases, neglected tropical and vector borne diseases, food safety,
23:10
Speaker 6: antimicrobial resistance, and the environment. It promotes the health of humans, animals, plants,
23:19
Speaker 6: and the environment are providing guidance and tools to coordinate
23:23
Speaker 6: multisectoral approaches to prevent and manage health risks at the human, animal,
23:28
Speaker 6: plant environment interface. There is only one planet and one health.
23:36
Speaker 6: Together we can build a safer, healthier, fairer and sustainable
23:42
Speaker 6: world for all.
23:46
Speaker 3: Independent A doesn't sound very independent to me. And they
23:49
Speaker 3: also welcome the G twenty's unified commitment to advancing the
23:53
Speaker 3: One Health approach. This was just published on November one.
23:56
Speaker 3: And what do they say, what do they say about that?
23:58
Speaker 3: What they're calling for colleaborative, intersectorial and multidisciplinary actions to
24:03
Speaker 3: address knowledge gaps and strength and surveillancy. See, that's what
24:08
Speaker 3: this is all about, surveillance, prevention, preparedness. They want to
24:12
Speaker 3: respond to future health emergencies and of course they're mentioning
24:17
Speaker 3: anti microbial resistance. So who heads this organization, Well, this
24:21
Speaker 3: is doctor Emmanuel Suberant. She was the Chief Veterinary Officer
24:25
Speaker 3: and the Deputy Director General for the Food Ministry Agriculture
24:28
Speaker 3: in France and she spearheaded large scale prevention programs on AVM,
24:33
Speaker 3: flu and vaccinations. She's also managed a budget of forty
24:37
Speaker 3: million and a staff of five hundred and this is
24:40
Speaker 3: what she says. She says by championing collaboration across sectors
24:44
Speaker 3: and borders, we can build a resilient global health framework
24:49
Speaker 3: that addresses challenges like AMR. Now, I won't show you
24:54
Speaker 3: the little bit of video because there is a bit
24:56
Speaker 3: of video online where you can see doctor Suberanc, so
25:00
Speaker 3: please go and have a look on YouTube at that.
25:03
Speaker 3: But let's look a bit more at the WOA as
25:07
Speaker 3: I call them, because the Council meets twice a year
25:10
Speaker 3: in Paris. They have a World Assembly of Delegates. So
25:14
Speaker 3: you can see how kind of similar to the WHO
25:17
Speaker 3: and the United Nations and all of these bodies it sounds.
25:21
Speaker 3: But I want to know who was sitting at the
25:23
Speaker 3: table for the United Kingdom. So who is sitting at
25:26
Speaker 3: the table. Well, here we have Professor Christine Middlemiss. And
25:30
Speaker 3: Professor Christine middle Miss is our chief Vet and she
25:34
Speaker 3: has a farming background. She was from Scotland. Actually she's
25:37
Speaker 3: got a specialty in beef and sheep and she was
25:41
Speaker 3: appointed as Chief Fete of New South Wales as well
25:44
Speaker 3: in twenty eighteen. She's very much into biosecurity and she
25:48
Speaker 3: also led the Deaf Retraceability Public Health Policy team, so
25:53
Speaker 3: you can see kind of what agenda she's into and
25:56
Speaker 3: she sits on the council. But let's go back to WOA,
26:00
Speaker 3: because I'd never heard of them before, and they are
26:03
Speaker 3: a multi donor trust fund. That sounds suspicious, doesn't it?
26:07
Speaker 3: Voluntary contributions they operate on. So basically it's a big
26:12
Speaker 3: PPP of public private philanthropic partnership. But with who who
26:17
Speaker 3: do they collaborate with? Well, it didn't take long to
26:19
Speaker 3: find the same old names and here we go. We've
26:22
Speaker 3: got the Billo Milindigates Foundation and of course let's not
26:25
Speaker 3: forget Bill and milindicates also fund Perbright, which is animal research.
26:31
Speaker 3: We've got World Bank, their pere Research Dogs, Trust, World
26:34
Speaker 3: Trade Organization UNDP, which is the United Nations Development Program,
26:39
Speaker 3: And let's go and see what they do. What do
26:41
Speaker 3: WOWA do? Because the website is huge, I just want
26:44
Speaker 3: to focus on a couple of things. We've got empos,
26:47
Speaker 3: we've got AVM flu in cattle, AVN flu. We've got
26:51
Speaker 3: AVM flu and antarctica. We've got also other AVM flu
26:55
Speaker 3: articles And I just want to remind people that you
26:57
Speaker 3: might not know but actually farm has just in Yorkshire
27:01
Speaker 3: has just gone through a mass cull of birds in
27:05
Speaker 3: the last couple of days because of AVM flu H
27:08
Speaker 3: five N five. I believe this was So let's go
27:12
Speaker 3: back to antimicrobial resistance very briefly to tie this segment up.
27:16
Speaker 3: And antimicrobial resistant imagine a world where infections and diseases
27:21
Speaker 3: in humans, animals and plants are impossible to treat. Can
27:24
Speaker 3: you see what's coming? And they say that AMR is
27:28
Speaker 3: a growing threat to animal and human health. And finally
27:33
Speaker 3: on this segment final, my final slide is I'm afraid
27:38
Speaker 3: we're going to AI artificial intelligence because you know what,
27:42
Speaker 3: Artificial intelligence is going to be involved, and mRNA is
27:46
Speaker 3: going to be the way we go to forward with animals.
27:49
Speaker 3: So mRNA all the way, and they're going to be
27:52
Speaker 3: concentrating first of all on se se difficile. I do
27:56
Speaker 3: hope Dr Sabine Hasan is watching this because seedff she
28:01
Speaker 3: is the queen of se diff And to use mRNA
28:06
Speaker 3: in a condition that involves nausea and vomiting after taking
28:10
Speaker 3: antibiotics is in my opinion, extremely important to focus on.
28:15
Speaker 1: Over to you, Mike, Thanks, Debbie.
28:17
Speaker 2: Thanks Now let's move on to digital ID and you'll
28:21
Speaker 2: be glad to know that in Australia, Anthony Albanesi has
28:24
Speaker 2: just announced that social media platforms which are doing harm
28:29
Speaker 2: to our kids is what he said. He is calling
28:32
Speaker 2: time on that by making it illegal for any person
28:37
Speaker 2: under the age of sixteen or sixteen and younger to
28:41
Speaker 2: access any social media platforms at all.
28:43
Speaker 1: He's saying, if.
28:45
Speaker 2: You're a fourteen year old kid getting this stuff at
28:47
Speaker 2: a time where you're going through life changes and maturing,
28:49
Speaker 2: it could be really difficult time. And what we're doing
28:52
Speaker 2: is listening and then acting. So he's saying, basically, it
28:57
Speaker 2: doesn't matter what your parents think. It will be absolutely
29:00
Speaker 2: illegal for anybody under the age of sixteen to be
29:04
Speaker 2: accessing social media platforms.
29:06
Speaker 1: Now. No country has tried to.
29:08
Speaker 2: Do this so far, and of course they're talking about
29:11
Speaker 2: requiring age verification methods like biometrics, government identification and so
29:17
Speaker 2: on in order to force social medi this age cutoff,
29:22
Speaker 2: so that is going on.
29:24
Speaker 1: Nobody would be surprised to know that the.
29:26
Speaker 2: UNI Party is fully on board because the opposition Liberal
29:29
Speaker 2: Party in Australia has expressed.
29:31
Speaker 1: Support for this.
29:32
Speaker 2: Now many people will think this is a great idea,
29:35
Speaker 2: that there is damage being done to children by social media,
29:39
Speaker 2: and I would have some sympathy with that point of view.
29:42
Speaker 2: But this is of course nothing to do with protecting
29:44
Speaker 2: children and everything to do with driving the digital id
29:48
Speaker 2: agenda and that policy through. And I just want to
29:51
Speaker 2: very briefly remind everybody what we covered a couple of
29:53
Speaker 2: days ago on this. The UK government here has now
29:56
Speaker 2: established an Office for Digital Identities and Attributes. This is
30:01
Speaker 2: the website. This is one of their blog posts here,
30:04
Speaker 2: A way to prove that sorry, a way to prove
30:07
Speaker 2: who you are that is fit for the UK's digital economy.
30:10
Speaker 2: They're talking about the problem that basically you're having to
30:14
Speaker 2: give away you're in order to get the convenience of
30:17
Speaker 2: not having to deal with this so called patchwork of paperwork.
30:20
Speaker 2: You're giving away your rights effectively to your data. There
30:24
Speaker 2: is a better way to check that someone is who
30:26
Speaker 2: they say they are. This is called digital identity. Digital
30:29
Speaker 2: identity can make people's lives easier and unlocked billions of
30:32
Speaker 2: pounds of economic growth. So they're doing this without any
30:36
Speaker 2: form of government identity card. They say, instead, you'll be
30:39
Speaker 2: able to choose from a range of digital identity and
30:42
Speaker 2: attribute providers based on the private and charity sectors. And
30:45
Speaker 2: if you remember, we were talking about this organization ukas
30:50
Speaker 2: the UK Digital Identity and Attributes Trust Framework, the fact
30:53
Speaker 2: that there's over fifty companies that already signed up for this.
30:56
Speaker 2: But what I really wanted to focus on here again
30:58
Speaker 2: was this piece of legislation which has just gone into
31:01
Speaker 2: the House of Lords or has been launched from the
31:04
Speaker 2: House of Lords as a government backed bill, the Data Brackets,
31:07
Speaker 2: Use and Access Bill.
31:09
Speaker 1: This is a.
31:12
Speaker 2: An change, but not a significant change from the UK
31:17
Speaker 2: government from the Sorry, the previous Tory government's efforts to
31:20
Speaker 2: do this.
31:21
Speaker 1: So let's just have a look at what they're talking
31:23
Speaker 1: about here.
31:23
Speaker 2: They're talking about creating a framework for digital ID. They're
31:28
Speaker 2: talking about the enabling of the use of AI to
31:31
Speaker 2: make legally binding decisions, enabling easier data sharing, enabling police
31:37
Speaker 2: and personal data sorry, enabling police to access personal data
31:42
Speaker 2: using automated systems without recording the reason for that. Enabling
31:46
Speaker 2: companies to delay answering subject access requests or data deletion
31:49
Speaker 2: requests by basically giving companies the opportunity to come back
31:53
Speaker 2: and ask you more questions about why you want this
31:56
Speaker 2: information and so on. It enables the use of data
31:59
Speaker 2: for commercial purposes under the guise of research, and it
32:03
Speaker 2: weakens the independence of the Information Commissioner. So it is
32:07
Speaker 2: really quite a spectacular piece of software. We're going to
32:10
Speaker 2: talk much more about this later on in another segment
32:13
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32:16
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32:21
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33:41
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33:44
Speaker 3: Yes, I did, and thank you so much to Nikola
33:46
Speaker 3: Lund for sending me this. Alison Butler herself is a
33:49
Speaker 3: diagnosed vaccine injured and she has challenged the Welsh government
33:53
Speaker 3: and saying that there's no pathway for those with vaccine injuries.
33:56
Speaker 3: They're literally being absolutely refused any and this petition has
34:01
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34:04
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34:07
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34:11
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34:14
Speaker 1: And Debbie, the MHRA board meeting upcoming.
34:17
Speaker 3: Yes, please sign up Tuesday, November the nineteenth of the morning.
34:20
Speaker 3: More than merrier. I have my ticket and I will
34:23
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34:24
Speaker 2: Okay, so Brah, thank you. Now let's come on to
34:27
Speaker 2: microbial resistance, Debbie.
34:30
Speaker 3: Yeah, and let's start with your favorite person, Michael one
34:33
Speaker 3: of them. Let's start off with Dame Sally Davis. We've
34:36
Speaker 3: got a little bit of video. She was speaking a
34:38
Speaker 3: couple of weeks ago at the Faculty of Pharmaceutical symposium.
34:41
Speaker 3: Let's have a listen.
34:44
Speaker 7: Probial resistance. The title of my keynote is Pharmaceutical Medicine
34:49
Speaker 7: Meeting the Global Challenges. Of course, with my background, I'm
34:54
Speaker 7: going to focus on antimicrobial resistance and anti infectives, particularly
34:59
Speaker 7: the antibiotic emergency. But I'm going to build on the
35:02
Speaker 7: political declaration that was agreed at the High Level Meeting
35:09
Speaker 7: of the UN General Assembly mid September, where I was
35:13
Speaker 7: honored to represent the government. I hope I'm going to
35:17
Speaker 7: see you at this event because looking at the program,
35:21
Speaker 7: it's fabulous, even with Jonathan Van Tam. Now he ought
35:25
Speaker 7: to be a pull for everyone, but there's going to
35:28
Speaker 7: be great networking and lots of learning. So see you there,
35:36
Speaker 7: and I know you'll.
35:36
Speaker 3: All be gutted to have missed. Jonathan Van Tam will
35:38
Speaker 3: come to that on another news But I want to
35:40
Speaker 3: just highlight this week I have reported anti microbi your
35:44
Speaker 3: resistance worse than climate change. So the whole AMR agenda
35:49
Speaker 3: has been triggered because Dame Sally Davis lost her goddaughter
35:53
Speaker 3: at the age of thirty eight. And now this has
35:56
Speaker 3: become one of the most acute emergencies on the planet.
35:59
Speaker 5: Apparently.
36:00
Speaker 3: News back in twenty nineteen warn ten million could die
36:03
Speaker 3: every year, claiming more lives than cancer and diabetes. And
36:07
Speaker 3: I just want to show you an array of academic
36:10
Speaker 3: papers that say exactly the same, if you believe it.
36:14
Speaker 3: So we've got Nature forty million deaths by two point
36:16
Speaker 3: fifty nice bit of fear mongering. They're drug resistant infections
36:20
Speaker 3: will rise by seventy percent. Nature Portfolio, Fleming Initiative. Don't
36:24
Speaker 3: forget we did a big piece on the Fleming Initiative
36:27
Speaker 3: and the Fleming Center on antimicrobial resistance. They say it's
36:31
Speaker 3: antibiotic resistance is the fight of the century. And another
36:35
Speaker 3: Nature article here antimicrobial resistance a silent pandemic and it's
36:41
Speaker 3: everybody that's involved in it, including the World Bank Group.
36:45
Speaker 3: So they say that AMR is a threat to our
36:48
Speaker 3: economic future on par with the two thousand and eight
36:51
Speaker 3: financial crash. And then if we go onto antibiotic research,
36:56
Speaker 3: they're suggesting that we have mRNA vaccines and that they
37:00
Speaker 3: will protect us from antimicrobial resistance. Now, isn't that interesting
37:05
Speaker 3: and curious? And then we'll look at trends in modern
37:09
Speaker 3: medicine where we can quite clearly see that mRNA vaccine
37:12
Speaker 3: platforms apparently could prevent bacterial infections. Now, this is looking
37:18
Speaker 3: at chemoprophylaxis. This is basically vaccinating healthy people so they
37:23
Speaker 3: don't get infections. And who else is in the agenda
37:27
Speaker 3: and who else is big in this? Of course PHYSA
37:30
Speaker 3: and they're busy cooking up new antibiotics in their chemical kitchen.
37:34
Speaker 3: One of them is called Enblavio for gram negative infections.
37:39
Speaker 3: And if we look at the study in the Lancet
37:42
Speaker 3: looking at the use of these antibiotics in hospitals, we're
37:45
Speaker 3: looking at hospital acquired pneumonia, ventilator associated pneumonia, intra abdominal infections.
37:52
Speaker 3: Of course, phiser are all very worried about this, which
37:55
Speaker 3: is why you need these new, probably untested antibiotics. And
38:01
Speaker 3: Nature Reviews have just public published this paper and they
38:05
Speaker 3: say the call for the concept of mRNA is groundbreaking. However,
38:10
Speaker 3: they do urge caution because they say there are gaps
38:13
Speaker 3: in knowledge, and what they warn of is that the
38:14
Speaker 3: mRNA coming up through the pipeline is going to be
38:17
Speaker 3: way more potent and looking at mRNA for bacteria and parasites.
38:23
Speaker 3: And then we'll go on to look at the news
38:26
Speaker 3: medical who are looking at a new pathway discovery which
38:29
Speaker 3: is explaining MRSA high level antibiotic resistance. Now, those of
38:34
Speaker 3: you who have been in hospital for operations, you might
38:36
Speaker 3: remember you get swapped for MRSA. You're not allowed to
38:39
Speaker 3: be in hospital with MRSA. It's a skin infection. If
38:42
Speaker 3: it gets inside you, it can cause you to be
38:44
Speaker 3: very sick. And here we've got Forbes reporting that the
38:48
Speaker 3: European Agency are reporting of shortages in antibiotics. Well, that's
38:53
Speaker 3: a coincidence, and also cancer treatments. They blame this on
38:56
Speaker 3: manufacturing disruptions. Regulatory challenge is but you can find out
39:01
Speaker 3: much more because we've covered so much on anti microbia resistance.
39:05
Speaker 3: It really is being ramped up hugely at the moment.
39:08
Speaker 3: So please keep an eye. But as I said before
39:11
Speaker 3: in the previous segment, when all else fails, let's just
39:15
Speaker 3: get AI to make new antibiotics. Do you trust artificial
39:20
Speaker 3: intelligence to make an antibiotic? I don't, but it's over
39:25
Speaker 3: to you, Mike.
39:26
Speaker 1: That's a very good question.
39:27
Speaker 2: So let's just look at follow on from the digital
39:31
Speaker 2: ID segment and look at what's going on with AI.
39:34
Speaker 2: First of all, Meta and well, interesting story here because
39:40
Speaker 2: Nick Clegg has published.
39:41
Speaker 1: Nick Clegg this is.
39:42
Speaker 2: The former Liberal Democrat leader of former deputy Prime minister
39:45
Speaker 2: who now has been working for Meta for quite a
39:47
Speaker 2: number of years now, has published this blog post saying
39:50
Speaker 2: open source AI can help America lead and AI and
39:53
Speaker 2: strengthen global security. So what he's saying here, Meta's open
39:59
Speaker 2: source LAMA models, that's what they call their AI models,
40:03
Speaker 2: are increasingly being used by a broad community of researchers, entrepreneurs, developers,
40:07
Speaker 2: and government bodies. We are pleased to confirm that we
40:11
Speaker 2: are also making LAMA available to US government agencies, including
40:14
Speaker 2: those that are working on defense and national security applications,
40:18
Speaker 2: and private sector partners working and supporting their work. Now,
40:21
Speaker 2: this is very unfortunate because Meta's terms and conditions for
40:26
Speaker 2: LAMA and accessing their AI saying that you are not
40:29
Speaker 2: allowed to engage in, promote, in site, facilitate, or assist
40:32
Speaker 2: in the planning or development of activities that present a
40:35
Speaker 2: risk of death or bodily harmed to individuals, including use
40:38
Speaker 2: of LAMA too, and they say that you're not allowed
40:41
Speaker 2: to use it for military warfare, nuclear industries or applications, espionage,
40:46
Speaker 2: used for materials or activities that are subject to international
40:49
Speaker 2: traffic arms regulations maintained by the United States and the
40:54
Speaker 2: Department of States. So that's unfortunate, but they're plying ahead
40:57
Speaker 2: with this anyway. Cleig went on to say partnering with
41:00
Speaker 2: companies including Accenture, Federal Services, Amazon Web Services and dural Booz,
41:06
Speaker 2: Allen Data Bricks, Deloyd, IBM, Leados, Locking Martin, Microsoft, Oracle, Palanteer,
41:13
Speaker 2: Scale Ai, and Snowflake to bring LAMA to government agencies,
41:17
Speaker 2: and a highlighted Palanteer.
41:19
Speaker 1: There, because of course we've got to remember that Palenteer.
41:21
Speaker 2: One thing that Palenteer is doing is to give Israel
41:26
Speaker 2: the technical ability to prosecute its genocide and gaza. But
41:31
Speaker 2: the other thing is Debbie has been highlighting for quite
41:33
Speaker 2: some time is that Palenteer is right in the midst
41:36
Speaker 2: of the National Health Service, and of course they are
41:39
Speaker 2: supporting the National Health Service rollout of all the new
41:43
Speaker 2: technology that the NHS is pushing, including the app and
41:46
Speaker 2: so at this point, we take the opportunity as Debbie
41:48
Speaker 2: will be pleased to see to highlight hashtag scrap the app,
41:52
Speaker 2: and there's another campaign that people can be getting involved in.
41:56
Speaker 2: But Bloomberg then, in their coverage of this story, said
42:01
Speaker 2: that the headline here is Meta opens its AI models
42:04
Speaker 2: to US defense agencies and contractors. This wasn't in the
42:08
Speaker 2: Meta blog post, but Bloomberg saying that they were told
42:13
Speaker 2: that the company said it would also share its technology
42:16
Speaker 2: with the members of the five eysed Intelligence Alliance Canada, Britain, Australia,
42:20
Speaker 2: and New Zealand, in addition to the United States. So
42:23
Speaker 2: that should make us all feel much better, shouldn't it.
42:27
Speaker 2: But don't worry. Clegg said this, these kinds of responsible
42:31
Speaker 2: and ethical uses of open source AI models like LAMA
42:34
Speaker 2: will not only support the prosperity and security of the
42:37
Speaker 2: United States, they will also help establish US open source
42:40
Speaker 2: standards in the Global Risk for AI Leadership. Now, the
42:44
Speaker 2: Global Risks for AI Leadership includes the United Kingdom and
42:47
Speaker 2: it is also attempting to establish standards and so the
42:52
Speaker 2: Department for Science, Innovation and Technology has just published this
42:56
Speaker 2: report Assuring a Responsible Future for AI and AI assurance
43:01
Speaker 2: is something that they are extremely keen to create a
43:06
Speaker 2: brand I would of and really make us happy to
43:09
Speaker 2: continue to use AI and be positive about the potentials
43:13
Speaker 2: for AI. So they're saying using AI is central to
43:16
Speaker 2: the government's plans for reforming the country's public services and
43:20
Speaker 2: wider economy, going hand in hand with ensuring public trust
43:23
Speaker 2: in the innovations which will ultimately deliver these reforms. Now,
43:26
Speaker 2: we've got to think about this quite a bit, because
43:28
Speaker 2: if we remember the DIGITALI d section a few minutes ago,
43:34
Speaker 2: it was very clearly made that the point was made
43:37
Speaker 2: that AI would be able to make legally binding decisions.
43:42
Speaker 2: We'll talk a bit more about that in a second.
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Speaker 2: They said in this report that around five hundred and
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Speaker 2: twenty four firms currently make up the slice of the
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Speaker 2: UK's AI sector, employing more than twelve thousand people and
43:55
Speaker 2: generating more than one billion pounds. These businesses provide organization
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Speaker 2: with the tools they need to develop or use AI safely.
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Speaker 1: Do we believe that?
44:04
Speaker 2: So if AI is making decisions, we already have seen
44:08
Speaker 2: how it makes decisions with respect to content being taken
44:11
Speaker 2: down from platforms and so on, and the fact that
44:15
Speaker 2: it becomes increasingly difficult to engage with platforms that are
44:19
Speaker 2: using AI to do this kind of stuff because the
44:21
Speaker 2: decisions are arbitrary, it seems, and automated and if you
44:25
Speaker 2: click on the button that says appeal this decision, then
44:27
Speaker 2: there's another arbitrary or automated decision made by AI, and
44:32
Speaker 2: there's no human intervention in this. And also, I just
44:35
Speaker 2: wanted to very briefly look at how AI is already
44:39
Speaker 2: being talked about being used in the criminal justice system
44:42
Speaker 2: in the UK. So let's look at AI criminal justice,
44:46
Speaker 2: and you know, they're talking about using AI to map
44:50
Speaker 2: criminality around the country and this is really feeding into
44:55
Speaker 2: a future crime sort of thing. We'll see that in
44:57
Speaker 2: a second. Using AI for official recognition and rolling out
45:03
Speaker 2: facial recognition in public places on a widespread basis, Using
45:09
Speaker 2: AI for predictive policing, that should put a chill down
45:14
Speaker 2: anybody's spine, because this is the stuff of movies and
45:19
Speaker 2: so on, going back ten or twenty years. Automating legal research, well,
45:24
Speaker 2: perhaps that's a more reasonable one, but nonetheless, the increasingly
45:31
Speaker 2: AI being ruled out in the court systems as well.
45:34
Speaker 2: So Mark, I don't know if you've got any thoughts
45:37
Speaker 2: on this, But it seems to me AI increasingly becoming
45:41
Speaker 2: a central part of our lives. It is increasingly becoming
45:44
Speaker 2: a central part of how government is going to be done,
45:46
Speaker 2: on how we interface with government. And I've just highlighted
45:49
Speaker 2: the criminal justice system as one example of that, but
45:51
Speaker 2: it's everywhere throughout access to government and so on, and
45:57
Speaker 2: governments very keen to move ahead with this without considering
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Speaker 2: the potential negative implications. Is there any discussion or pushback
46:05
Speaker 2: on this in the United States?
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Speaker 4: One thing I read about Donald Trump is he believes
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Speaker 4: in a highly aggressive, competitive way of pursuing AI on
46:16
Speaker 4: a global scale, the US being number one. That sort
46:19
Speaker 4: of thing. What struck me as you were talking, Mike,
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Speaker 4: is if AI makes critical decisions, that begins to encroach
46:26
Speaker 4: on the very idea of having members of Parliament, congressman
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Speaker 4: passing laws. You talked about an appeal process where AI
46:34
Speaker 4: makes some arbitrary decision and you can supposedly appeal it.
46:37
Speaker 4: But what does that do for court challenges? Can you
46:40
Speaker 4: take that to court and say this AI thing misruled,
46:44
Speaker 4: It ruled against me in a wrong way, in an
46:46
Speaker 4: improper or unconstitutional way. It would seem to be another
46:50
Speaker 4: way to separate the people from their decision makers and
46:53
Speaker 4: reduce our way of having any redress of grievances. That's
46:57
Speaker 4: my initial thoughts on this and date.
47:00
Speaker 2: And of course in the UK here we have this
47:02
Speaker 2: massive backlog within the criminal justice system of court cases
47:06
Speaker 2: that haven't been heard yet and so on, and the
47:08
Speaker 2: pressure absolutely is on to make criminal justice much more
47:13
Speaker 2: inverted coom as efficient, and I see that as a
47:17
Speaker 2: major danger. But anyway, let's move on from that back
47:21
Speaker 2: to health Mark and what's the letters from the United
47:24
Speaker 2: States on the fluoridation.
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Speaker 4: Well, Mike, it involves Donald Trump and RFK Junior, as
47:32
Speaker 4: we'll see in a few moments, an interesting judicial decision
47:36
Speaker 4: as well. I wrote up a news brief that I'm
47:39
Speaker 4: reading from as I recite what's going on the big
47:43
Speaker 4: media already on the ropes from Washington Post owner Jeff
47:46
Speaker 4: Bezos coming clean the newspaper candidate endorsements are meaningless, and
47:50
Speaker 4: the press only has it self to blame for its
47:53
Speaker 4: increasingly steep decline. The media is still incorrigibly perpetuating the
47:58
Speaker 4: philosophy of statism us. What is behind this? The status
48:02
Speaker 4: philosophy almost a religion this world view holds the government
48:07
Speaker 4: power and the policies that stem from it, no matter
48:10
Speaker 4: how ill advised, on lawful or arbitrary they may be,
48:13
Speaker 4: and that applies to AI as well. It holds that
48:17
Speaker 4: these are basically sacricaying decisions. So when it comes to
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Speaker 4: water fluoridation, like AI, if government experts have decreed based
48:24
Speaker 4: on science the mass fluoridation of public water supplies is
48:28
Speaker 4: a good thing, then it's got to be a good thing.
48:30
Speaker 4: Words to the contrary beat dam This is my own
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Speaker 4: editorial here. I'm also adding in this editorial but a
48:39
Speaker 4: long comes of federal judge in California who issued a
48:42
Speaker 4: ruling against the EPA, the Environment of Protection Agency, thereby
48:46
Speaker 4: ordering officials to take corrective action over potential health risks
48:51
Speaker 4: stemming from the currently recommended levels of fluoride in the
48:54
Speaker 4: American drinking water supply. The ruling by District Court Judge
48:59
Speaker 4: Edward Northern Federal District of California, an Obama appointee. This
49:05
Speaker 4: ruling dealt a blow to what major media are calling
49:09
Speaker 4: public health groups, chiefly government agencies, in the ongoing debate
49:13
Speaker 4: on whether the benefits of continuing to add fluoride to
49:16
Speaker 4: public water supplies outweigh the risks, and I also added
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Speaker 4: in my news brief here. Judge Chen noted that his
49:25
Speaker 4: ruling quote does not conclude with certainty that fluoridated water
49:29
Speaker 4: is injurious to public health, but the judge did say
49:33
Speaker 4: that the evidence of its potential risk has become convincing
49:37
Speaker 4: enough to justify forcing the EPA to take action. While
49:42
Speaker 4: some contend more research may be needed about what CBS
49:46
Speaker 4: News called the lower levels of fluoride exposure typically found
49:50
Speaker 4: in US drinking water, Judge Chen, in his ruling also
49:54
Speaker 4: said there is not enough of a margin of safety
49:57
Speaker 4: at those levels. Very interesting, and we'll go on from there.
50:02
Speaker 4: Here's a very important quote from Judge Edward Chen Northern
50:06
Speaker 4: Federal District of California. In all, there is substantial and
50:10
Speaker 4: scientifically credible evidence establishing that fluoride poses a risk to
50:16
Speaker 4: human hell. It is associated with a reduction in the
50:19
Speaker 4: IQ of children, and is hazardous at dosages that are
50:24
Speaker 4: far too close to fluoride levels in the drinking water
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Speaker 4: of the United States. This is the decision, Mike, that
50:32
Speaker 4: fluoride skeptics have been waiting for for generations. This is
50:36
Speaker 4: a breath of fresh air. Like you can't believe, and
50:38
Speaker 4: it is significant now. The Trump IRFK thing came into
50:43
Speaker 4: play the night before election Day, I wrote here. News
50:47
Speaker 4: reports blared that Republican Donald Trump and fellow traveler RFK
50:51
Speaker 4: Junior were beginning to question the fluoride regime, which is
50:55
Speaker 4: a sin in the eyes of a media protected medical
50:58
Speaker 4: establishment that is hopefully blind to a principle decades ago
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Speaker 4: discussed by a very interesting journalists, Canadian journalist and outspoken
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Speaker 4: floridation skeptic Gordon Sinclair. This guy was quite a personality,
51:12
Speaker 4: let me tell you. Sinclair insisted that individuals who choose
51:16
Speaker 4: to use fluoride can do so without government forcibly fluoridating
51:21
Speaker 4: the entire public water supply. Such a collectivist policy, he noted,
51:27
Speaker 4: is a rigid medical mandate that fails to consider whether
51:30
Speaker 4: some people might be harmed in the mass fluoridation process.
51:35
Speaker 4: And with that, I believe we have a video coming up,
51:38
Speaker 4: but let's quote RFK Junior briefly. This is what he
51:41
Speaker 4: had to say amid the controversy. On January twentieth, RFK
51:47
Speaker 4: said the Trump White House will advise, he says, will
51:51
Speaker 4: advise all US water systems to remove fluoride from public water.
51:56
Speaker 4: This is another a big promise that Trump's going to
51:58
Speaker 4: have to try and keep. RFK wanted to say, fluoride
52:03
Speaker 4: is an industrial waste associated with arthritis, bone fractures, bone cancer,
52:08
Speaker 4: IQ loss particularly in children, neurodevelopment disorders, and thyroid disease.
52:15
Speaker 4: And that's what RFK Junior had to say. With that,
52:18
Speaker 4: we have a very interesting quote from the late Great
52:20
Speaker 4: Gordon Sinclair.
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Speaker 8: This is Gordon Sinkler to report that letters that reached
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Speaker 8: the assignment editors and connections with stories about fluoridation of
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Speaker 8: the public water supply of Canadian communities and their critical letters.
52:33
Speaker 8: Criticism is based on the claim that only one side,
52:36
Speaker 8: the pro side, has been given in this controversial manner,
52:39
Speaker 8: and listeners are entitled to hear.
52:41
Speaker 5: The opposing view.
52:42
Speaker 8: While though I'm a writer and a broadcaster, not a
52:44
Speaker 8: medical man, dentist, nutritionists, or anything else that qualifies me
52:48
Speaker 8: as an expert, but I am a mature citizen who
52:51
Speaker 8: opposes the dumping of this chemical into the water. And
52:54
Speaker 8: I grasp this opportunity to say why I object. Primarily
52:58
Speaker 8: I object to being forced to make a medication that
53:00
Speaker 8: I don't like, don't want, and know will do me
53:03
Speaker 8: no good so long as I live. It's claimed by
53:06
Speaker 8: those who wish to insert this poison into our water,
53:09
Speaker 8: And it is a poison that, in proper doses, it's
53:11
Speaker 8: useful to the teeth of growing children up to the
53:14
Speaker 8: age of eleven or twelve. There are many intelligent researchers
53:17
Speaker 8: who say even this claim is too sweeping and rosy.
53:20
Speaker 8: There are many who claim it is untrue. But let
53:23
Speaker 8: us allow that it is true for this argument. Now,
53:25
Speaker 8: if this chemical is useful to some of the teeth
53:28
Speaker 8: of some of the children under some conditions, why do
53:31
Speaker 8: they wish to force it into all of the water.
53:33
Speaker 5: Of all of the people, all of the time.
53:35
Speaker 8: The dose can't be accurately measured because we don't all
53:39
Speaker 8: drink the same amount of water. We aren't all the
53:40
Speaker 8: same size. Children, in my experience, drink very little water.
53:44
Speaker 8: And yet those who favor this chemical want to put
53:47
Speaker 8: it in the water that we use for washing cars
53:49
Speaker 8: or dishes, filling swimming pools, dousing fires, hosing streets, and
53:54
Speaker 8: everything else for which water is used. And so far
53:57
Speaker 8: as my community is concerned that being Toronto insist on
54:00
Speaker 8: doing it without a vote of the people, I asked
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Speaker 8: doctor Gordon Bates, one of the principal pushers of the chemical,
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Speaker 8: why he and his people insisted on forcing this into
54:10
Speaker 8: our water without a vote. His answer was that a
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Speaker 8: vote would stir up emotions and citizens would not be
54:15
Speaker 8: calm and intelligent.
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Speaker 5: Enough to mark about it.
54:18
Speaker 8: He likened my suggestion to asking a vote on the
54:21
Speaker 8: design of a bridge. If the experts say the bridge
54:23
Speaker 8: is good, we believe them. Therefore, if experts, his so
54:27
Speaker 8: called experts, say this chemical will not harm adults but
54:31
Speaker 8: will help the teeth of children, then we must accept
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Speaker 8: what they say without challenge.
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Speaker 5: Will I, for one refuse to do this?
54:42
Speaker 4: A long forgotten journalistic personality there, Mike Gordon Sinclair. He
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Speaker 4: had a lot of things to say, and I have
54:48
Speaker 4: an extra video from him for extra if we get
54:51
Speaker 4: that in so.
54:52
Speaker 1: Back you, yeah, we certainly will.
54:54
Speaker 2: And Debbie very briefly, I mean, as you mentioned, the
54:58
Speaker 2: news isn't so good in this country. I believe they're
55:00
Speaker 2: just about they've just announced they're about to roll out
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Speaker 2: fluoridation in Cornwall.
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Speaker 3: Oh, they're going to be rolling out fluoridation Cornwall and
55:09
Speaker 3: plenty of other areas as well. We seem to be
55:11
Speaker 3: going in reverse to the USA, and I durge everyone
55:14
Speaker 3: to go and have a look at Joy Warren's interviews
55:16
Speaker 3: the Poison Chalice one and the Poison Challice two, because
55:20
Speaker 3: this piece of news that Mark has just revealed is
55:23
Speaker 3: extremely important moving forward for the UK.
55:27
Speaker 2: Okay, well, let's move on then to the Great Resignation.
55:32
Speaker 3: What is the Great we've all heard of the Great Reset. Well,
55:35
Speaker 3: part of the plan in the Great Reset, and this
55:37
Speaker 3: is part of the blueprint. The agenda is the Great Resignation.
55:41
Speaker 3: Don't go any further than the wefr good old friends
55:44
Speaker 3: at the World Economic Forum. What is the Great Resignation? Well,
55:47
Speaker 3: what is it? So they go on to say that
55:50
Speaker 3: this is a phenomenon really that describes record numbers of
55:52
Speaker 3: people leaving their jobs after COVID nineteen because companies are
55:57
Speaker 3: really struggling how to reevaluate, how to return talent. So
56:01
Speaker 3: what can we learn from this? Will They go on
56:03
Speaker 3: to say that resignation rates are the highest among mid
56:06
Speaker 3: career employees, and that the resignation rates are also highest
56:10
Speaker 3: in technology and the healthcare industries. But here's a bit
56:14
Speaker 3: of video to give you a bit more information. So
57:38
Speaker 3: they have it the Great resignation. And of course with everything,
57:41
Speaker 3: the w EF has also got a solution to the problem.
57:44
Speaker 3: And here's the Future of Jobs report, because we're going
57:46
Speaker 3: into a massive job shift where we're going to be
57:49
Speaker 3: looking at a change with regards to the fourth industrial
57:54
Speaker 3: generation of job creation, in big data, cloud computing, we've
57:58
Speaker 3: got business intelligence analysts, they're talking about in their renewable energy.
58:03
Speaker 3: All of these things are going to be covered in
58:05
Speaker 3: this new generation of jobs. And with the NHS, which
58:08
Speaker 3: obviously I'm particularly focusing on, the HSJ just brought out
58:11
Speaker 3: this report of ward Round, which is saying that staffing
58:15
Speaker 3: is the issue. They cannot keep staff in the NHS.
58:18
Speaker 3: It is keeping NHS leaders is keeping them awake at night.
58:23
Speaker 3: And Professor Klotz describes a pandemic related epiphany. So what
58:29
Speaker 3: I would say is how many of these epiphanies are
58:31
Speaker 3: caused actually not just by waking up in inverted commas,
58:35
Speaker 3: but how many people are resigning because they're too ill
58:38
Speaker 3: to carry on at work, because they're vaccine injured, because
58:41
Speaker 3: they're not receiving any health help at all. And the
58:45
Speaker 3: BMJ go on to ask the question, actually, how do
58:49
Speaker 3: we support and retain stafe a staff already stretched to
58:53
Speaker 3: their limit. Well, I'd say put a matron in charge
58:56
Speaker 3: for myself, and maybe I would apply for that job
58:59
Speaker 3: because I think I could make sense of some of
59:02
Speaker 3: this madness that we're seeing right now.
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Speaker 2: Okay, thank you, Debbie, And just to end the program,
59:08
Speaker 2: you do have one final video clip?
59:09
Speaker 3: Then I do have one final video clip. What has
59:13
Speaker 3: health got to do with an iPhone adapter?
59:15
Speaker 5: Have a look.
59:18
Speaker 9: And the NAHS is piloting a new iPhone adapter to
59:21
Speaker 9: check patients for throat cancer. The adapter include is a
59:25
Speaker 9: thirty two millimeter lens to check people's throats for signs
59:28
Speaker 9: of cancer. Is hope the new gadget and app will
59:31
Speaker 9: help detect cases early?
59:37
Speaker 3: Has that put you off having an iPhone with an
59:39
Speaker 3: iPhone adapter?
59:40
Speaker 5: Perhaps?
59:41
Speaker 3: Discussion in extra mic?
59:42
Speaker 2: Well, I presume I presume that's mainly for professionals.
59:48
Speaker 3: Well professionals, yeah, sure, but we're finding that professional the
59:52
Speaker 3: professional capacities are coming into homes right We're looking at
59:55
Speaker 3: hospital at home? Are we going to be asked to
59:57
Speaker 3: use our own iPhone adapters? Are we going to be
1:00:00
Speaker 3: to swallow tubes? I don't know anything's possible. Are we
1:00:03
Speaker 3: living in nineteen eighty four.
1:00:05
Speaker 2: I think we are. I think we've established that. Yes, indeed. Okay,
1:00:09
Speaker 2: thank you Debbie, thank you Mark. We'll leave it there
1:00:11
Speaker 2: for today. We'll be back in a few minutes. If
1:00:13
Speaker 2: you are a UK column member, plenty to talk about.
1:00:16
Speaker 2: Back in a few minutes for extra that is. Otherwise,
1:00:19
Speaker 2: have a great weekend. We'll see at one pm a Monday,
1:00:21
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