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I Choose...To Turn a No Into a YES with Molly Sims · I Choose Me with Jennie Garth

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  Speaker 1: You're listening to I Choose Me with Jenny Garth. Hi, everyone,
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  Speaker 1: welcome to I Choose Me. This podcast is all about
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  Speaker 1: the choices we make and where they lead us. You guys,
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  Speaker 1: this podcast has been so incredible in so many different ways.
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  Speaker 1: I love this podcast. I can't say it enough. One
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  Speaker 1: of the best things about doing this podcast is that
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  Speaker 1: I get to connect with inspirational women that are blazing
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  Speaker 1: their own trails, and we get to have these incredibly
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  Speaker 1: deep conversations that leave me feeling inspired and I know
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  Speaker 1: leave all of you feeling fired up as well. And
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  Speaker 1: that's what it's all about. My guest today is a
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  Speaker 1: model an actress. She is the founder of the beauty
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  Speaker 1: brand Wise Beauty and has her own female focused production company.
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  Speaker 1: She's also the host of the podcast Lipstick on the Rim.
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  Speaker 1: Please welcome Molly Simms to the Oh my gosh, I
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  Speaker 1: think maybe correct me if I'm wrong, because I have
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  Speaker 1: a terrible, terrible memory problem. Is this the first time
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  Speaker 1: we're meeting?
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  Speaker 2: You know? I mean it's not for me like I
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  Speaker 2: grew up with your poster in my room. But no,
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  Speaker 2: I think maybe, like many moons, like maybe fifteen years ago,
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  Speaker 2: I met you and your ex husband. Okay, but I
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  Speaker 2: but I don't know where. But yeah, you were always
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  Speaker 2: so you're just always so light and refreshing and fun
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  Speaker 2: and you're Jenny Garth. Right.
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  Speaker 1: I'm so glad to finally like have a chat with you.
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  Speaker 1: This is so good, it's so good.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, I you know, we're both moms and
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  Speaker 2: many children, and yes, you know we're mom and we're
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  Speaker 2: moment we're working moms.
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  Speaker 1: We are. We were meant to have this conversation a
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  Speaker 1: few months ago, but you know, we both know that
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  Speaker 1: our communities here in Los Angeles were turned upside down
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  Speaker 1: and we had to both, I believe, evacuate our homes.
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  Speaker 2: I think we were scheduled to be together on the
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  Speaker 2: seventh of Janus. Yes, I know. It's uh yeah, we're
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  Speaker 2: still evacuated. I'm about fifty five minutes outside of LA
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  Speaker 2: now with my family. Our school made it, my house
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  Speaker 2: made it. I'm hoping to get back in within the
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  Speaker 2: next month. But I actually I got the nerve to
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  Speaker 2: go to go into the village, into the palisades, and
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  Speaker 2: oh my gosh, it was so heart wrenching and so
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  Speaker 2: devastating just to really see it up close, to really
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  Speaker 2: you know, not through a picture, through social or through
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  Speaker 2: TV like to really try to experience it. It was
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  Speaker 2: gut wrenching. I have to say, have you driven through
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  Speaker 2: Altadena or the Palisades yet? Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: I actually just went to Altadena last night to go
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  Speaker 1: to a restaurant over there, and it was just somber.
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  Speaker 1: It's real hard to see in person.
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  Speaker 2: I know. I think for me, I kept putting it
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  Speaker 2: off and putting it off because I just didn't want
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  Speaker 2: to feel any more than I was already feeling. But
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  Speaker 2: I'm so glad I did it. Like, I'm so glad
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  Speaker 2: I on the prize. We can do this. We have
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  Speaker 2: incredible communities and people, and you know, I'm really I
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  Speaker 2: don't know. As much as it made me super super saded,
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  Speaker 2: also it gave me a lot of hope, and I've
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  Speaker 2: never seen communities pulled together more.
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  Speaker 1: I know. I mean, if there's an upside, that's it
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  Speaker 1: for sure. But yeah, what, I'm glad we're finally talking regardless.
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  Speaker 1: You know, one of the things that I admire the
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  Speaker 1: most about you is through your platforms, your socials, your podcasts,
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  Speaker 1: everything you do, you really keep it real with your audience.
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  Speaker 1: And that's how I am. I think so many women
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  Speaker 1: and moms are so attached to this picture perfect life
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  Speaker 1: that they put out on social media, which is so
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  Speaker 1: unattainable and frustrating when you're looking at it. Is it
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  Speaker 1: so important for you to have that level of realness
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  Speaker 1: with your audience?
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  Speaker 2: You know, I got into social media very late. I
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  Speaker 2: had already had three children. You know, it just it's
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  Speaker 2: it's who I've always been. I think if you know me,
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  Speaker 2: you know me and you know, like kind of half goofy,
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  Speaker 2: half serious. I'm a Gemini, so I you know, I'll
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  Speaker 2: tell you what to do, how to do it, and
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  Speaker 2: when to do it, even if it's unsolicited.
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  Speaker 1: I'm married to a Gemini, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Oh God Lord help less. I think I've always been
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  Speaker 2: that way. You know, my mom was that way. I
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  Speaker 2: think that's why I started the podcast, because I had
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  Speaker 2: so many women and we've now run our third year.
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  Speaker 2: Like I would be like, okay, like what do you
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  Speaker 2: really do? Right? Like, I'll tell you what I do,
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  Speaker 2: and I'll like I was like, oh, like you know,
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  Speaker 2: and then like, oh I drink water or you know,
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  Speaker 2: I sleep, you know, and you're just like that's not
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  Speaker 2: really what you do? Right, Like why won't you share
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  Speaker 2: what you do? I know you do do something that
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  Speaker 2: you do, but you won't tell me. I've never again,
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  Speaker 2: I've never been like a gatekeeper. I've never been I've
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  Speaker 2: always been like tears this, try that, What do you
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  Speaker 2: think about that?
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  Speaker 1: I love that kind of a woman. I love it.
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  Speaker 2: That's where it lives to go. And m actually came
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  Speaker 2: from I do it with my best friend who lives
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  Speaker 2: in New Jersey. She's a shopping addiction. She does. She
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  Speaker 2: says it's R and D, but she's amazing, and we
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  Speaker 2: literally talk like you and I are talking right. I
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  Speaker 2: went to Cabo. God, it was like four years ago
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  Speaker 2: for probably the last time we'd all kind of been together.
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  Speaker 2: We still haven't really been together since, but and we'd
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  Speaker 2: all come down in the morning and I'll be like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: I got this, what do you think about that? It
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  Speaker 2: was like a morning chat. And out of that is
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  Speaker 2: really where the ethos the idea for lipstick on the rim,
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  Speaker 2: because it's just that like kind of like inside scoop.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, I am who I am. I think
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  Speaker 2: it would be too much work for me to try
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  Speaker 2: to pretend that I'm not like this. Yes, to be
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  Speaker 2: really dreadful. But yeah, no, I think I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I just think I've always been like this.
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  Speaker 1: You're just authentic.
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  Speaker 2: I try to be I try to be transparent. I
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  Speaker 2: think you know. Listen, you learn a lot as your twenties,
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  Speaker 2: your thirties or forties or fifties. I think you know,
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  Speaker 2: I don't need a hundred pennies as long as you
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  Speaker 2: know I've got four quarters. Like I think, I invest
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  Speaker 2: in the bank with my my group, my people, my community,
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  Speaker 2: my peers, my friends. I think you have to write,
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  Speaker 2: but you also have to invest in them. They'll invest
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  Speaker 2: in you right back. Because guess what, the ship is
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  Speaker 2: going to hit the fan. Let me tell you, for
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  Speaker 2: all of us, for all of us, it's gonna hit
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  Speaker 2: you know, for me?
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  Speaker 1: I do I get that sense to on your social
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  Speaker 1: that you have a lot of really strong, beautiful women
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  Speaker 1: in your life.
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  Speaker 2: I do.
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  Speaker 1: I do A friend? Are you to other people?
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  Speaker 2: Like?
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  Speaker 1: What role do you take on with your friends?
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  Speaker 2: Oh? Lord, I'm like the I'm like the cruise director.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I'm I'm the cruise director. I definitely have
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  Speaker 2: an innate ability of bringing people together. It is my superpower.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like a fucking vault I can really keep a secret.
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  Speaker 1: That's good.
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  Speaker 2: But I expect my friends to actually keep a secret
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  Speaker 2: as well. Well, yeah, I'm the one who kind of
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  Speaker 2: like brings us all together. I think I've invested as
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  Speaker 2: much as they're invested. So I look at what we're doing,
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  Speaker 2: how we can be together, how we can pull it off,
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  Speaker 2: like you know. And it's very hard because I remember
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  Speaker 2: someone saying to me, I won't name my girlfriend. She goes,
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  Speaker 2: who are all these people? We were in Morocco I
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  Speaker 2: celebrated my fifty and she's great, she's great. I'm like, well,
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  Speaker 2: her name's Annie. I was like, Annie, I don't just
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  Speaker 2: have people, you know, I don't just have friends from
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  Speaker 2: the West Side. I lived in Europe, I lived in
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  Speaker 2: New York, I lived in London, I lived in France,
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  Speaker 2: I lived you know, this is a culmination of, you know,
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  Speaker 2: so many years of my life. And that's that's with
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  Speaker 2: my friends too. I mean, I have my mom friends,
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  Speaker 2: I have my my europe friends. I have my ride
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  Speaker 2: or die who know, you know everything, you know more
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  Speaker 2: than they want to know.
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  Speaker 1: Do you keep each of those friendships kind of like
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  Speaker 1: compartmentalized in their own boxes. Yeah, for this fiftieth. It
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  Speaker 1: sounds like you brought all the books together.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it was so fun because we're all so different,
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  Speaker 2: and you know, it was really important to me that,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I didn't just celebrate my fiftieth year. I
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  Speaker 2: celebrated a culmination of all those years and friendships. And
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  Speaker 2: you know my girlfriend from Australia who I I met
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  Speaker 2: her on a casting calle. She was sitting on the
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  Speaker 2: floor and she spoke English, right. We lived together for
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  Speaker 2: three years after that.
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  Speaker 1: It's so great when you because I'm kind of like
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  Speaker 1: that too. Like I have my parent friends, my mom friends,
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  Speaker 1: I have my personal friend, I have my work friends.
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  Speaker 1: I have my friends and my daughters. But I love
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  Speaker 1: bringing them all together and like seeing who meshes and
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  Speaker 1: how there's that like through thread.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Like two of my girlfriend just visited me and
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  Speaker 2: we were college roommates at Vanderbilt. She has spent spring
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  Speaker 2: break with me for her with her two girls. She's
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  Speaker 2: doing showing my legal counsel for my company wise and
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  Speaker 2: she said something. She goes, Okay, well I'm gonna go
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  Speaker 2: out to lunch with Andrey and Stacey and Robin. I'm like, well,
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  Speaker 2: she was like, yeah, no, you can't go. I already
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  Speaker 2: checked your schedule. I was like, what the fuck?
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  Speaker 1: Wait, what about me?
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  Speaker 2: I was like what I mean? But she made like
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  Speaker 2: they all became close in my features, Like that's what
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  Speaker 2: I mean. Like, it's it's great when you can And
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  Speaker 2: I'm very much a connector like I you know, it's
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  Speaker 2: actually one of my biggest pet peeves, not inclusivity. I
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  Speaker 2: like to be exclusive to everyone. I am a real
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  Speaker 2: I'm not clique. I was never clicking in school, definitely
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  Speaker 2: never clicking in college, and so I actually really do
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  Speaker 2: want my friends to be friends separate to me.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's more fun, it's it's fine cool when the
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  Speaker 1: world's come. Do you believe in a best friend? You
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  Speaker 1: have like one best friend? Because I'm I've always struggled
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  Speaker 1: with that.
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  Speaker 2: I have two. I have Emma sn Michelle, I do.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, and you're like to your other friends, listen, I
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  Speaker 1: have two best friends and you're not one of them.
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  Speaker 1: Because I always feel so weird.
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  Speaker 2: Like different people fill different buckets. So right, like you
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  Speaker 2: know what I get from Michelle, I don't get from
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  Speaker 2: Ama Shaw, what I get from Emmasha, I don't get
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  Speaker 2: from Megan or I don't get from me me or
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  Speaker 2: I don't get from you know, certain women, right, like
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  Speaker 2: and I fulfill certain buckets in their lives, right, you know,
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  Speaker 2: we just so happen, you know with Amasha with the podcast.
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  Speaker 2: You know, we went through some pretty gnarly medical things together,
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  Speaker 2: and you know that that bonds you in different ways. Right,
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  Speaker 2: But knowing you know, someone knowing me since I was seventeen, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: there's value in that as well.
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  Speaker 1: Oh sure, those long standing relationships are so valuable. Yeah
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  Speaker 1: for me, Like if you have a long standing relationship
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  Speaker 1: or even a short term one, just like in real
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  Speaker 1: love relationships, there are sometimes gups.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, we broke up. I literally emission and
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  Speaker 2: I got into like such and it was over the dumbest,
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  Speaker 2: like the dumbest thing, Like literally she would like send
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  Speaker 2: me like fake Chanelle tights for me to engage because
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, no, I you know, I always blow it
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  Speaker 2: off and I never asked for anything, but I needed
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  Speaker 2: her to do something. It had to do with work,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm like, She's like I can't. I was like,
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  Speaker 2: I really need you to do this for me. Long
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  Speaker 2: story short, it didn't work out. She sucked her gun,
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  Speaker 2: she didn't come and you know, I was upset, Like
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  Speaker 2: I from where I sat, this meant something to me
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  Speaker 2: and I have no fucking boundaries, which I'm trying as
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  Speaker 2: a fifty one year old woman, but I really like
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  Speaker 2: it bothered me. And you know, first month, I was like,
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  Speaker 2: I miss her, but I'm like going to try to
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  Speaker 2: like make her realize, like, you know, this really hurt
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  Speaker 2: my feelings, right, she didn't mean to. But finally, you know,
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  Speaker 2: after like three fake Tionelle types, I'm like, I really
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  Speaker 2: need these.
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  Speaker 1: Let's Gavin, that's okay because it sounded alike you both
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  Speaker 1: had a very strong position.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and listen, I had a situation the other day, like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I called one of my friends. I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: you're freaking certifiable. You need to be in a white jacket.
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  Speaker 2: I love you, but you need to be locked up
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  Speaker 2: for at least a month. But you know, I'm very straightforward.
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  Speaker 2: You know you're never gonna like if we argue. You
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  Speaker 2: know that I'm a gem and I hold on to nothing.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not scorpio, I'm not not like I
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  Speaker 2: don't know, I don't I let it go. And that's
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  Speaker 2: the biggest thing I think when women always talk to
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  Speaker 2: me about friendship, like let it go. Like, it's not
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  Speaker 2: that you're not boundaried. It's not that you're oh my god,
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  Speaker 2: it's going against your soul. But is it like you
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  Speaker 2: know at the end to make mistakes.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you said before that you're working on boundaries. I
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  Speaker 1: need to know more about this. Why why do you
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  Speaker 1: not have boundaries in your life or do you feel
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  Speaker 1: like you could use more? I mean, Jenny, yes, Like
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  Speaker 1: what do you mean boundaries? Like wear all my clothes,
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  Speaker 1: you can take whatever you want from my closet to
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  Speaker 1: trip someone.
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  Speaker 2: I'll just figure it out. I'll you know, I'll get
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  Speaker 2: like I get my cup, run runneth over. I just
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  Speaker 2: get really kind of drained from like you know, like
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  Speaker 2: I was just on a zoom with my team and
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  Speaker 2: I had two people on the zoom with me texting me.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, ladies, it comes on my computer or my
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  Speaker 2: phone whatever. I'm like, I'm on with you do when
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  Speaker 2: I'm and they're texting me, You're like, oh, we're sorry.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, I probably already have ADHD. I don't
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  Speaker 2: need it, like, you know, just like setting up boundaries
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  Speaker 2: and access and trying to do it all and be
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  Speaker 2: it all and really you know, and I think sometimes
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  Speaker 2: when you are labeled that cruise director and you feel
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  Speaker 2: you feel feel like you you feel that in certain
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  Speaker 2: people's lives, I think sometimes people get offended, like I'm
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  Speaker 2: I'm just stepping back because I'm tired, or you know,
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  Speaker 2: starting this company and having the podcast and my production company.
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  Speaker 2: It's definitely, you know, I started this ship during COVID.
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  Speaker 2: You're an actress, producer can mean like you have to
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  Speaker 2: do so many things because nothing ever works right, like
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  Speaker 2: or what you bet on. You know, you're like, this
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  Speaker 2: is gonna this is gonna work, right. You have to
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  Speaker 2: have so many things going. It's not you're like poor, right,
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  Speaker 2: Like I just finished kind of Pregnant for Netflix. I
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  Speaker 2: worked on it for four and a half years for
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  Speaker 2: no money, like h but that didn't you know again,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not saying I just I mean in terms of boundaries.
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  Speaker 1: That are you good at saying no?
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  Speaker 2: I'm terrible at saying no, But I know that I
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  Speaker 2: know means a yes for something else. I will say
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  Speaker 2: that COVID definitely, you know, it helped me. It did
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  Speaker 2: help me. It helped me kind of pull back. It
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  Speaker 2: helps me get really focused on what I want to
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  Speaker 2: do and not to do. But yeah, boundaries are really
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  Speaker 2: hard and I'm trying, Like even with em the show,
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  Speaker 2: like she was like, what's wrong with you? Right, like
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  Speaker 2: normally like it's fine, It's okay. I'll just I'll just
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  Speaker 2: figure it out. I'll find okay she can co host,
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  Speaker 2: Like I'll just figure it out. I don't know, but
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  Speaker 2: some things like at one point, like no, I do
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  Speaker 2: invest in this relationship and this is abound that is
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  Speaker 2: important to me and you need to respect it. And
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  Speaker 2: like if me like just kind of making you figure
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  Speaker 2: out that sometimes I had to I have, I have
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  Speaker 2: to do it like I've I've I've taken I took
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  Speaker 2: a pause with a friend for five months. And look,
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  Speaker 2: at the end of the day, everybody comes at a
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  Speaker 2: situation differently. That's when I try to tell my kids.
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  Speaker 2: Try to what I say to me, how I enter
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  Speaker 2: a conversation, what shoes I wear to enter it are
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  Speaker 2: different than the person that I'm with, right, So you know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean speaking of shoes. It feels like women
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  Speaker 1: like us were both kind of on a similar path.
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  Speaker 1: We came up in the nineties. I feel things have
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  Speaker 1: changed so much in female friendships from the nineties till now.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think that women were as apt to build
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  Speaker 1: one another up and support. It's much more competitive. This
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  Speaker 1: is what I'm trying to say. In the world that
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  Speaker 1: I grew up in, did you feel that way?
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  Speaker 2: Of course? I mean it was like the other model
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  Speaker 2: is gonna slit your wrists, right like she's gonna like
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  Speaker 2: she gonna like Tanya Harding what I mean, like, yeah, no,
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  Speaker 2: it was definitely. I mean I think that's where I did,
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  Speaker 2: you know, not single white female per se, but I
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  Speaker 2: had a couple of girls that, like my writer dies
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  Speaker 2: because that's really all I had, right like, And it
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: was super competitive. And you know, I think for someone
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: like me, my armor is so like thick. Now I've
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: been told I'm fat, I'm ugly, I'm too tall, I'm
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: not tall enough, I'm too blonde. I heard it how dark,
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: my nose is crooked, my cats are fat, arms are fat. Like,
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: there's not a lot that had. The other day someone
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: say to me from my PR team that I needed
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: to do my teeth right. I'm like, that wasn't what
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: I was expecting, right Like. It wasn't a criticism, it
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: was just feed. But there's not a lot of there's
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: not a lot that people can tell me that. I'm like, eh,
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: like really ruffle me, because at twenty one I got ruffled.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I think when you come up on your own
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: in this industry, you get real thick skin.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: You do.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: And that's a good thing.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: It is.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: It can be a great thing to encloy ourselves. Yes,
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: especially as entrepreneurs now later in life building your own brand.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and also not having fomo right Like I you know,
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: I was telling one of my employees just had a baby,
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: and she's like, Jesus, really know why, I really know why?
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: Mom can get content's gonna work three months old. And
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: then I'm like, I know it's different, right, Like it's
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: different than what my momming. Being a mom is very
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: different than what the idea of momming. Right. You're you're
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: in charge of a soul. You're in charge of keeping.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: Someone al that's a big responsibility.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I do think. Listen, it's hard, but it's a
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: great it's a great. Resilience is a great thing. I
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: always say, you know, they're road bumps. There are small
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: little bumps in the road, you know what I mean.
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: And you come in and you come out. I think
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: I've done a pretty good job of, you know, when
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: I'm down coming back up. I think that's been a
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: little bit of a superpower that, you know, because I've
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: had to right. I think for you as well, you've
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: been on the highest of highs, the most popular girl
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: in the world, not even globally, right, and then on
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: the lowest of low you know, and not that that
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: can take its toll, but it also, I don't know,
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: it goes good into your next chapter.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, really teaches you about your strength, like at your core,
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: what you're capable of. And I think also it teaches
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: you to not be afraid of reinvention, because, like you said,
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: sometimes you're way up and sometimes you're way down. And
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: when you're way down, it's really hard to think about
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: climbing back out of that hole.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: I know, but that's it's really hard. But that's what
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: you do, and that's I was. I never finished it,
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: but I was kind of writing my third book and
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: I put it to the side to start the podcast,
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: and it was kind of tentatively labeled Unstuck. How do
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: you get in? How do you get out? Right? Because
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: a lot of times being neutral is the death of
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: you right. It's better to either be really really messy
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: sometimes so you can figure it out and you can
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: go forward. I think a lot of times women get
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: stuck trying just to make the decision right. It's what
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: I always say, go to Vegas and bet is it black?
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: Is it red? But you got a bet right. Sometimes
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: it's gonna work and sometimes it's not. And I'm always like,
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: you can reinvent yourself. You've just got to bet on it.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: You've just got to go in and you've got to
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: figure it out. And some of it's gonna work and
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: some of it's not gonna work.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: It's just like love, Like if you want to have
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: love in your life, you have to risk heartbreak, and
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: if you want to have success in your life, you
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: have to risk failure.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: And bothbody loves the money night. Nobody loves the money night. Quarterback, right.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's hard to put yourself out there. It's hard.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: I remember that. I remember where I was when I
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: April twenty fifth, twenty twenty three, we launched wise. I
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: can remember I almost thought I was going to have
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: a panic attack. There was something that something with Instagram,
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: the algorithm was like and we did like a I
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: don't even know, but I had like two hundred, like
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: two hundred people looked at him like, wait, something's something's
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: got to be wrong. But I literally silently inside Schaeffer
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: and I like, I'm like, shapeer, what the fuck? What
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: is happening? Like I don't know. Long story short, I
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: was like, this is probably not gonna work, right, Like,
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: I'm like, this is this is why now I'm gonna work.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: You've got to hang on. It's like what I said,
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: I was on a finance call before this. Sorry, guys,
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: if you're listening, that's my ice machine next to me
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: making all the noise that I'm gonna have a lot
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: of ice by the end of this podcast. I was
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: I was on a finance call before, and it's like,
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: put in your seatbelt, pull down your oxygen, masks. Folks,
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: you're like the pilot of the plane and here we go.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: It's like the roller coaster of your life.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: Right, how do you feel assuming that position, like in
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: a big meeting like that, like when you are basically
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: the founder and the CEO of the company the brand?
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: Was that a natural transition for you as a model,
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: an actress, a producer, then to start your own brand.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think it's kind of why I
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: wanted to. I think, you know, I've always been the
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: girl modeling the lemonade or the juice, right, so I'm
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: the girl who comes in at the end, like this
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: juice is fantastic.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: I want that juice.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: You did a great job.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: Thank you. You know, it was really important to me
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: at you know, a certain point in my life that
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: I you know, I just I wanted to be a
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: part of something from inception, not just at the end.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: And I think, you know, I love my kids, and
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: I love my books that I read, but to be
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: part to see something through and with the production company,
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: something happy. It happened off of a fluke, right like
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: I was writing a I was writing a second book.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: I needed two organizers. I found a cold called these
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: women on Instagram called the Home Edit Cleia and Joanna.
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: It happened very organically. I'm like, I don't really pay
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: people for content. I don't even know like what this is,
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: but if you want to come out, I'll use it
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: and you can use the content. They're like done. They
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: were in my pantry, arguing, laughing, killing each other, and
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: like I said to my husband outside I'm like, these
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: two bitches could I mean, they could have their own show,
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: Like I don't even know what's going on in there.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: And they came out and I was like, I know
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: this is gonna sound weird, but I think you always
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: really have something. I'm not an organizer, but anyway, I
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: helped them get an agent. We sold it to Reese Witherspoon.
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: We re got it back recent I figured it out,
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: we got it back, we sold it to Netflix. And
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: that's kind of how my own producing and I would
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: always read for my husband. Then I, you know, just
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: kept reading. I don't know, like I always wanted to
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: be part of something, and I always felt like which
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: I would have come up with that idea or And
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: I was always really good at I'm still good at.
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: I'm still good at like spotting people trends, like I'm
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: good with like, eh, that's gonna work, right, Like even
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: if like they're like that is not gonna work, That's
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: gonna work. K eighteen. I got a little thing in
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: the mail from Australia. It was called Kate Hair Prep.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: Some sample. I don't even know. I d m the company.
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I really like your sample. They're like oh,
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: we're in the middle of a restructure. We're renaming our company.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: I was like, okay, whatever, I don't even look at samples.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: This was like this month K eighteen, you know, biggest
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: one of the biggest investments partnerships I ever did. I'm
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: good at that, but I don't know. I wanted. I
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: wanted something on my own. And that's how Wise came about.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: I had a skin problem and I looked at the
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: white space and like, why is everything that's really ugly
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: and derm and really strong and fucks with your barrier?
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: And then why is everything else cool and fun but
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: doesn't really have the effica see for someone like me.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: It's given me a lot of pride to answer your question.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: It has given me. I've pulled from every part of
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: my life. I've pulled from taking chances and being like
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: this is never gonna work. To fake it till you
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: make it. We're amazing, right. I think my girlfriend sent
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: me this. She sent me this this text the other day,
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: and it was like, you are going to win because
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: you're an absolute psychopath. No one can keep up with
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: you know, you have to kind of like believe. And
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: I think, yeah, I've pulled from sports, being on a team,
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: potting people together. First thing I ask is how to
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: well do you work with people? Are you a team player?
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: Do you give grace with other people? Would you buy
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: them a coffee if you're standing in line? I asked
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: the weirdest questions during an interview. But yes, very long answer,
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: but I've pulled from every aspect of my life.
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: You said Fluke before, do you feel like, having come
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: from modeling and acting and known to be a beautiful
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: supermodel blonde, do you feel like when women start their
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: own business, especially with somebody with your history, do you
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: feel like they are less apt to take you seriously?
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: Did you ever well? I mean when that's whole my
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: whole life, right, Like I was a code hanger, right,
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: I was someone who you know, they didn't know I was.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: I went to Vanderbilt, I was a name, I was
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: a number. I put on tennis shoes, walk two miles,
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: flipped through my book, didn't even make eye contact with me.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: Very disrespectful thanks by. You know, I've always tried to
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: prove myself. No one really even knows. It's my audition
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: for Las Vegas with Gary Scott Thompson. I was like Okay,
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: I want to be taken serious. Okay, so I didn't
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: wear any makeup. I think I wore like like a
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: flip flop sandle a T shirt and jeans and listen.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: Gary was amazing, but he called my agent. He was like,
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: does she want to like do that? Does she want
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: to be pretty? Like? Does she? I just wanted people
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: to take me serious, right, So that's that lives in me.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: Whether I start a company at fifty, whether I start
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: something at forty, I think it lives in most women.
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: It's like what do you got to what do you
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: have to prove? Right Like? For me, you know, that
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: has always been likeugh, you're just pretty. You're not You're
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: not smart, You're you're pretty. Oh sweetie, bless her heart,
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: bless her heart. So listen. That will always forever be
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: with me. You know, when someone tells me no, I
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: turn it into a yes. You know. It's just that's
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: how I've always had to exist from right like, otherwise
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: I'll figure it out.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, everybody else is going to call your shots and
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: point to your trajectory rather than you doing what you
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: want to be doing and taking that risk like we
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: talked about before, and it is.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: Hard to take that risk. A lot of people, you know,
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: we put down. Like I was reading this whole thing
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: on Tom Brady and I'm like, good lord, how could
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: you put him down? He's like, it's nine Champion, super
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: Bowl whatever people are going to I don't know what it's.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: I don't know it, but I'm just saying it's very,
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: very hard to put yourself out there and anything that
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: you do. And that's why sometimes with Instagram or you know,
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: with TikTok or with social I think the takedown is
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: so brutal, and so I find it truly awful that
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: what some women have to deal with, it's what I
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: have to deal with. I'm like, well, you know, I'm
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: instagram away from getting canceled, you know, because I'm like, oh,
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: you're gonna make somebody mad. You.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: I love the way you do put stuff out there
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: that is against the norm of like parenting, like the
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: proper parenting perspective at a kid opinion. You know, you
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: lay it out there because it's real, like what you're
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: dealing with. You have three kids. I have three kids.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: We know it's the best and the worst job you
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: could ever yes.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: Of course, and it's like, you know, someone said to
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: me like, oh, don't let them know. You know, you
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: have seventy four passy fairies. I'm like, like, I really
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: don't think he's going to go to college with it.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: So you know, maybe he did it a little longer
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: and we're gonna have some bad teeth. But you know,
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: I try to put things in perspective and to meet
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: each kid where they are and to not be judged
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: because I do helicopter. I want to know where they
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: are when they are, you know, and I'm trying to
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: go against it.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: I love that you're an admitted helicopter. She too, I'm too.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: I don't call it helicopter, per se. I call it.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what's another a better?
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: What was it? Funny? It was so funny. It was like,
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: I am a mom who advocates. I'm an advocating mom.
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: That sounds professional, but I do know.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: I get in there with them, you know, like.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: What how old your oldest twelve? Twelve?
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: Okayah, Because he was like the other day he was like, Mom,
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure I have hair. And I was like,
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: She's like, you gotta look, and I was like, let
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: me get my glasses. You know, I'm like, I think
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: I think I see a hair, right, like, you know,
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: my so of my friends would be mortified. Like again
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: it's everybody's like He's like, he doesn't care. I don't care.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: But yes, I was like, I think I see a hair. Listen,
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: that will change very quickly, right, it's just you know development,
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: it's it's where you were going. But it was pretty sweet.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: He's like, do you see anything? I think I see someone,
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: you know? Like it was just really sweet. And you know,
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: some people are like, oh my god, you're crazy, but
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: who cares. I don't care.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, enjoy that openness now. It's great that they
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: and you know what I had always had people tell me, oh,
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: look out, you know, you have three daughters and they're
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: going to turn into teenagers someday and then you know
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: you're gonna have so much trouble. And I would always say,
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: you don't know me, you don't know my family. I
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: don't need to take that advice on because I don't.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: I don't believe in it, Like I feel like I
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: can do it however I want, and that sort of
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: seems how you're doing it too, which is yeawful.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: I mean, one couple of them, I end up in prison.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: But my mean we're you know, we're we're no, no, no,
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: I'm being funny, but no, I definitely listen. I do.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: I speak to an amazing therapist Broun when Charlton she's
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: with the Liza Pressman. They have an incredible company. Yeah,
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: I I do listen. I do listen to the older moms.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: Like we got to interview Jonathan Hay, you know about
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: being a helicopter mom. It's the worst guy to me,
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: you know, and him being like, let him go to
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: CHIPOTLEI like, I always think of him because we moved
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: west of the Palisades and there's a little ice cream
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: shop and I'm like, I'm gonna let him go to
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: the ice cream shop on his own walk there no
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: social no iPhone, no contact. He's gonna go and I'm
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: not gonna know where he is. Like, but I will
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: say my older mom friends have actually helped me because
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: you kind of learn and you see what they do, right, Like,
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: do you let them, you know, go here? Do you
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: let them take an uber? Do you let them have
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: a phone. We don't have phones or anything yet, but
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: listen it all, there's no right way. There's there's no
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: one way.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: No, isn't. It's whatever works for you. It's whatever works,
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: and I don't really care what other people think of
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: whatever works for me. I know it's kind of you
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: have to go about it. What's the okay having these
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: this age bracket kids and a marriage, happy marriage, you
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: have a profession, you're very you know, you're you're diversified.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: Let's say, do you ever lie to your kids?
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: Yes?
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: I love that, not a pause.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: Yes, you know I do. I lie per se. I'm
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: very careful of meeting them where they are. I did
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: mess up with my twelve year old, and I learned listen.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: It was a moment. It was during COVID Kobe had
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: passed away. He asked me I could not tell him
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: about the daughter about his I could not, and he
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: he was so offended. He was like, I can't believe everybody. No,
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: like you didn't tell me. I honestly could not tell him.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: I was so emotional. But I learned that a certain
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: level of honesty is really important with these kids. They
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: want to know that you're telling them. So it's not
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: that I per se lie, but I tell them where
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: what they need to know based on where they are right.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: If something is bad that they don't need to know it.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: Why would I put that on them? Now, other people
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: would say opposite, and that is to each his own.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: But it's kind of hard to differentiate between what is
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: out of their you know, not age appropriate for them.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: It's are about especially now. I mean you said your
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: kids don't have phones yet, so they're not on the
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: social media. But like just the news, just if they
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: walk in the room and the news is on, They're
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: being exposed to so much.
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  Speaker 2: It's tricky. That's why we don't have the news on anymore, Jinny.
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  Speaker 2: In our own I love UNBC, the Today Show, and
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: I love CBS, but we don't have it on because
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: they listen. Yeah, listen. I'm on the cusp of everybody
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: knowing everything because there is access, and like it was
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: interesting even with the election. Brooks would be like, oh,
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: I know that about Trump or oh I know that
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: about Biden, and I was, yeah, they know, they know
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: more than you think. They know that. I've learned any
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: you know, the second grader, he's gonna put me over.
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: He's like, you know, he told the sixth grader the
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: other day he didn't think her presentation was very good.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: And then she wasn't going to win president. I'm like, listen,
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: Mark Cuban on your what are you Mark Cuban on
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: Church Tank? You know what I mean? Like, who are you?
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: Here's my poor husband right there. Hi, by the way,
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: just so you know, he's wearing my Wise eyebatches. Just
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: for the record, people always good, he doesn't and he does.
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: Wait, I want to talk to you about Wise. You'll
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: have your own beauty brand, Wise, which I spelled why
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: s e.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: Y se beauty Wise to be wise, to know something
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: you didn't know before.
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  Speaker 1: I love that. I think there's just such a huge
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: misconception out there about when people like you and I
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: start brands and companies that were not working hard, but
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: it just hops like because of our name or whatever. Like, girl,
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: tell us how many?
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: Tell us?
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: How many knows you got? Like to how what have
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: been your biggest obstacles to get into Wise?
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  Speaker 2: Oh? I mean everything everything starts with no yeah until
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: I turn it into a yes.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: How do you turn things into a yes? Like that?
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: Why? I just don't stop. I mean, I just I
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: just accept it. I'm just like, oh, well, I'll figure it.
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: I'll come back to you right Like there was a
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: paid agency I really wanted, and there were like this
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: one famous business woman, she's amazing. She was like, they're
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: never going to take you. And I was like, oh really.
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: I was like, you think so, and I was like
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: it just bothered me and bothered me and bothered me.
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: I was like, oh, yes they will. I don't know.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: I pivot, I work really hard. I'm big picture, so important,
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: I'm good under pressure. I find the positive and a
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: lot probably the best thing about me. And I was
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: saying this to a CFO a few minutes ago, I go,
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: but I listen, I listen, I don't. I think a
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: lot of founders put people around them that they want
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: them to say yes to, like they want to hear yes.
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: I put people around me who are smarter than me,
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: who challenge me, who go against me. I think that's
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: a little more like. My mom was like that. My
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: dad was like that, a little left of center. I
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: don't want to be the CEO of my company. I
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: should not be the zaman. I can act like it
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: in every form, but I need someone to be smarter
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: than me and no more than me.
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I think for me that was so important too,
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: and recognizing that I want to be surrounded by people
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: that are better than me, smarter than me, more accomplished
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: than me.
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: You know, I think too, like from modeling to hosting,
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: to acting to producing to you know, being an entrepreneur.
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: I will say, and maybe it's a gem and I
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: and me, but I'm honestly really curious. Like when we
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: have livest on the rim and we'll have like a
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: Jonathan hate like Emasen, I will be taking pages of notes, right,
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: you know, when she's doing her spring must have I'm like, girl,
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: like I don't even know what her spring, but like
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: I'm taking I'm actually genuinely curious. And I think it
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: helps to be curious, absolutely, to be curious, to have passion,
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: and to believe that those are really important things.
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, to believe in yourself so important. I love that
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: message that you you put out there.
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: And you know, to work with like, you know, I
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: think the hardest thing for me starting a company is that,
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: you know, when you when you're in startup mode, it's
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: very different. You're like, oh, the people who start with
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: you won't end with you. And I'm like, well, of
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: course you're going to end with me, Like where are
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: they going to go?
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: When you soon realize that you know, you're different objectives
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: and where you need to be, whether it's retail, wholesale,
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: different needs of the company, and and that that's been
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: a little like stomach churning for me to be able
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: to make those decisions and to leave people that I
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: really enjoyed working with.
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: It's hard, that's hard to do.
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's such a loyal person. Oh girl, I'm so low.
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: I'm long, but I'm getting better. I'm getting better, and
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to be boundaried. And you know they're always like, well,
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: you don't have to be on the exit. I was like, no,
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: I do.
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: It's important.
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's important to me right now and if
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: I can still handle it later on, it's important to me.
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: Like I think how you start and how you you know,
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: how you wind is a lot of times better than
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: how you start.
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: You know, absolutely learning so much along the way you have.
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: I feel like after fifty you're just like going off,
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: like you're really coming into your own somehow. I know
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: I feel like that with myself, but I feel that
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: from you, and I love watching you. I think your
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: social media is hilarious. You make me chuckle. You're just
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: killing it. I'm just really happy for you.
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: Thank you, You're back at you girl. I mean, you know,
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: I think it's you know, my invention is a really
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: hard thing, right because I'm not the twenty five year
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: old Victoria Secrets model that walks you know, I'm just
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: I'm not that girl right between us. Like, yes, of
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: course it's it's fun to go back and reminisce, but yeah,
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: I don't really want to be that girl anymore, you know,
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: but it is it's very hard to reinvent. It's very
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: hard to you know, I think with the company. You know,
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: I had a massive skin color malasma, hyperpigmentation. So it
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: was something that I was organically trying to figure out
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: myself because I was so insecure with my skin and
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: you know, coming from this world where everything depends on
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: what you look like, you know, having those years in
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: my forties having to not be baked per se, but
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: definitely being specific about the sun and pregnancy and hormones
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: and you know, patches, and just figuring out the mess
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: that I had created and getting out of that that
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: really took a toll on my psyche, right because you know,
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: you kind of I kind of had led with what
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: I look like, right, and so you know, then you're pregnant,
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: then you're going into the hospital at two hundred and
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: four pounds, and then you have a thyrop problem, and
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: then you have a skill like life starts to get
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: very layered, shall I say? But yeah, reinvention. You know,
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: I think for anyone listening be okay with change, you know. Yeah,
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: it's not easy.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: Before I let you go, though, I have to ask you,
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: Molly Sims, what was your last I choose me moment?
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: I think I choose It's gonna even cry, It's okay.
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: I think instead of I choose me, I chose us.
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: What does that mean to you?
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: Just having that, you know, the beginning of being able
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: to say no to things, to say yes to us,
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: to say yes to me, to I choose me to.
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: You know, that's not going to really work for me
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: right now. And those are really hard words because I
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: love I'm from the South. I love to please everyone. Yeah,
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: and you know I've lost some friends along the way
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: because I really couldn't do any more than what I
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: was doing. You know. I think with COVID, the fires,
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: you know, losing my mom and dad, I cautiously had
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: to take a step back to choose me.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, how does that feel?
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: I mean uncomfortable? You know really, you know, I you know,
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: I love when people be like, oh, she's not going
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: to do that. Like Michael, who's my publicist on this
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: podcast listening right now, He's like, you know what, she's
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: going to not do it right now, We're going to
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: revisit this, and like I was like, oh God, I
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: thank you, thank you for saying that, you know, like
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: just really trying to choose me, right, like having people
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: around me that help me choose me because if not,
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: I'm like, you know, I'll just be like, oh I'll
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: help you do okay, Yeah, no worries, just call me.
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: I'll interview like oh, well, you know I but at
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: choosing me has been a life saver in a lot
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: of ways because there's only so much I can do.
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: I have to be there for my kids. I only
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: have so much band with. But it takes a lot
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: of honesty, right, it takes a lot of And I
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: used to do this as like when I would work
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: and come like I'm sure you did, when you would
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: come off a show, or you'd come off a stint,
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: or you'd come off you know, six weeks, ten weeks,
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: three months, you know, because you did network television, so
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: you were on what twenty three twenty four episodes. It
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: was yearly, year round, right, So when you go on
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: those marathon runs and you stop, it's like, hey, you
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: don't even know what to do with yourself. No, and
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: b you know, for you then you had three young
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: girls with Peter and both of your like, it just
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: it gets crazy. Yeah, it's crazy, and then life happens
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: on top of it. So I think I choose me.
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: I've chosen me. I choose me in those moments because
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: I have to do.
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: You feel like it's you choosing to reconnect with yourself
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: and your truth instead.
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: Of yeah, yeah, we just level it out, we least
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: balance it, we balance it out, We kind of start
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: back to zero, you know. I did I do acupuncture
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: and I'm like, girl, I was like, I don't know,
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: I can't sleep anymore. I'm like sweat and like and
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: I was like, you know all the things that you're
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: going through, and I was like, I was like, You've
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: got to help me. I'm like, I just can't sleep. Literally,
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: like in thirty seconds, she left my room. I was like,
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: I was like snoring right, Like I just needed someone
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: to like just call me. That has been really good
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: for me in my sense of just sense of getting
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: back grounded and just have it again. That's an hour
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: and fifteen minutes just for me. I took a walk
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: the other day and I'm like, I'm not going to
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: go to that sports thing and they were so upseting.
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: What do you mean, what do you mean you're not
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: gonna go. I'm like, kids, Mom's gonna take a walk
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: and I'm not gonna call you. I'm not gonna talk
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: to you. I don't don't care how you do. I'm
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: just gonna go take a walk. You know. But those
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: check ins are important.
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you got to listen to your needs. You gotta
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: put yourself first some time. And I'm so happy to
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: hear that you're doing that because it's vital.
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: Thank you for being very amazing. I love you. We
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: love your path. I sit to the kids and I'm
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: like getting to talk to Kelly today, you know, because
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: they my kids. You're obsessed with anything nineties, I mean,
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: obsess so fun. It's so fun to go back and
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: to you know, see it with them. My girlfriend was
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: just here. She did miss congeniality. She was Miss Texas
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: and Scirl that was like the redheaded one. Oh yes,
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: and she was like, you're miss Texas. It's just so cute.
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: I love it.
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: I love that they know about the nineties.
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: Good job, oh yeah girl, the nineties.
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: Or everything, the best of the best. Well, I'm going
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: to let you go. I want you to have a
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: great day.
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: Thank you. I appreciate it. I'm just happy that you're
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: okay and through this you likewise, you know crazy time
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: that we're all in right now, and from our mouth
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: to God's ears, we're all going to be okay.
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because we've got each other.
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: We do. You're the best. We love you.
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: Thanks Molly. Bye.