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Feminist Movie Friday: Lilo and Stitch · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Steff.
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  Speaker 1: I never told your prediction of iHeart Radio.
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  Speaker 2: And we decided we I said me, decided to do
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  Speaker 2: another classic for our feminist movie Friday. And honestly, this
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  Speaker 2: is one of those movies I didn't realize was as
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  Speaker 2: old as it is, and it hurt my feelings a
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  Speaker 2: little bit when I figured it out. But a last yes,
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  Speaker 2: we were talking about Leelo and Stitch, the Disney classic,
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  Speaker 2: which just turned twenty two this year.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I actually thought it was older than that.
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  Speaker 3: No, I how dare you?
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  Speaker 2: Dare you?
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  Speaker 1: I'll see myself out.
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  Speaker 3: Get out of here. I old enough. It's old enough
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  Speaker 3: to drink in the US.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, okay, that makes okay, that makes sense.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, you were just getting you were still in high school.
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  Speaker 2: Were getting came out and you too, Yeah, you were
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  Speaker 2: still you're just getting into high school.
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  Speaker 3: No, middle school. Don't talk. Don't talk to me. Stop talking.
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  Speaker 3: I don't want to know. I don't want to know
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  Speaker 3: this answer right now.
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  Speaker 2: But anyway, but I also forgot any about all of
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  Speaker 2: this is that this is one of those movies that's
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  Speaker 2: in the realms of the older animations way they love
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  Speaker 2: to tear your soul out a bit and make you
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  Speaker 2: cry because of course they had to kill off the
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  Speaker 2: parents in order to make this movie about family. Yep,
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  Speaker 2: I cried a few times, like I like broke because
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  Speaker 2: I completely forgot like the depth of loneliness and like
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  Speaker 2: deprivation for the little child. But I was like, but why.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, every time I'm like no.
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  Speaker 2: Her like people leave, It's fine, I still remember them.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, well damn, damn, li lo damn. But anyway,
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  Speaker 2: so I cried a little bit and again, how dare
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  Speaker 2: you Disney? How this is why I don't like it.
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  Speaker 2: This is why I don't like cartoons and animations. I
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  Speaker 2: really think this is where it comes from. Between this,
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  Speaker 2: the Bambie, oh yeah, Fox and the Hound. Well Land
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  Speaker 2: of four Time was not Disney, but it traumatized me.
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  Speaker 3: It greatly.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, all of those movies traumatized me, which is probably
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  Speaker 2: why I do hate like animations in general.
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  Speaker 3: I hate them and I do not trust them.
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  Speaker 2: So I have trauma thanks to Disney and all of
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  Speaker 2: those animations.
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  Speaker 3: So screw all of you.
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  Speaker 2: But anyway, yes, you're welcome my angry outbursts about a
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  Speaker 2: children's movie.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, anyway.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, Leelo and Stitch was released in two thousand and two,
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  Speaker 2: but the idea of Stitch originated in nineteen eighty five
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  Speaker 2: as a children's book by creator, co director and co
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  Speaker 2: writer Chris Sanders, who, along with Dean du Bois, did
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  Speaker 2: write and co direct this specific one. They also did
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  Speaker 2: How to Train Your Dragon.
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  Speaker 1: The trailer came out yesterday.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I saw that.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, oh, they're actually I assume when they
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  Speaker 2: talk about live action they're just making like fancam videos
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  Speaker 2: because they talked about it for so long.
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  Speaker 3: But I realized it's actually happening.
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  Speaker 1: The Last of Us Too was a big trick that
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  Speaker 1: happened a couple of days ago where everyone was like,
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  Speaker 1: a new trailer came out. I was like, no, that's
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  Speaker 1: a fan trailer.
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  Speaker 3: They keep tricking me with this.
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  Speaker 2: So I didn't realize until not too long ago that
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  Speaker 2: it's actually happening. But yes, it is happening. A version
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  Speaker 2: was actually in development in nineteen ninety seven for Stitch.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think we low n Stitch, but for Stitch,
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  Speaker 2: with the idea of it being the Dumbo quote unquote
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  Speaker 2: of the current generation, so really like low cost but
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  Speaker 2: high profit type of conversation and with the type of
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  Speaker 2: animation it featured, it is known as the last of
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  Speaker 2: its kind, using water color backgrounds like those of the
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  Speaker 2: nineteen forties. Animation also again cost effective because yes, they
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  Speaker 2: had the writer, director and kind of the voice of Stitch,
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  Speaker 2: which they kind of were like, oh, we do need
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  Speaker 2: him to say a few words all into one person,
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  Speaker 2: so they didn't They paid him, but not as much
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  Speaker 2: as they had three separate people. I guess, I don't know,
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  Speaker 2: that's how they said it. And because it was their original,
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  Speaker 2: they didn't have to do much for like buying rights
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  Speaker 2: and such, so a cheaper may movie with higher profits
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  Speaker 2: and it did really well. It was like when during
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  Speaker 2: the week of their release it was number two, right
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  Speaker 2: behind a Tom Cruise movie. So I think Minority Report
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  Speaker 2: was the number one movie at that point.
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  Speaker 1: That's a throw back.
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  Speaker 3: Oh no, don't make me have another meltdown.
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  Speaker 2: Sorry anyway, So the film itself was a hit and
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  Speaker 2: earned quite a bit of money. And yeah, this also
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  Speaker 2: has a live action revamping, supposedly in twenty twenty five, with.
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  Speaker 3: Actual Hawaiian natives this time round.
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  Speaker 2: Because the original it did feature a couple of Asian actors.
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  Speaker 2: I think Tia Carrera did live in Hawaii for a while,
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  Speaker 2: but they weren't Hawaiian natives, so kind of like and
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  Speaker 2: Jason Lee from like the Bruce Lee Like, he played
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  Speaker 2: Bruce Lee in that biopic.
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  Speaker 3: So a lot of things were like, yeah, y'all.
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  Speaker 2: Need to rethink these things, and they have and that's Lilly.
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  Speaker 2: People were more happy with the casting because they did
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  Speaker 2: turn to actual Hawaiian natives for the live action.
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  Speaker 3: We'll see, we'll.
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  Speaker 1: See, we'll see. I do have to say though, that
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  Speaker 1: Lela was voiced by Davey Chase mm HM who this
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  Speaker 1: movie was nominated for Best Animated Film so Spirited It Away.
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  Speaker 1: Davy Chase also voiced the English stub of Chihiro and
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  Speaker 1: Spirited Away, which won the Oscar But more importantly to
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  Speaker 1: me and she probably hates this, Samara from The Ring.
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  Speaker 2: I did not realize that she was Samara from The Ring.
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  Speaker 2: I think you mentioned her before, and I did not
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  Speaker 2: realize there was such an overlap.
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  Speaker 3: But I loved The.
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  Speaker 1: Ring so much. I saw things that had Davy Chase
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  Speaker 1: in it because of.
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  Speaker 2: This, Because of for her, like clip of calling off
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  Speaker 2: the well was so well done, Okay, I love that.
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  Speaker 3: I love that.
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  Speaker 2: But anyway, so we are gloring to jump into the plot,
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna go through it. We start on the planet Turo,
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  Speaker 2: where a trial is being held for doctor Jumba Chukuba
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  Speaker 2: for a legal genetic experimentation and the creation of the
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  Speaker 2: most destructive and aggressive creature, Experiment six to six. After
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  Speaker 2: his conviction, they tried to exile this dangerous creature. Unfortunately,
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  Speaker 2: Experiment six through six makes an escape and crash lands
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  Speaker 2: on Earth, where he is promptly ran over by several
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  Speaker 2: large work trucks. Also, we see the frog, which I
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  Speaker 2: believe the frog crosses over in so many of the
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  Speaker 2: Disney animations. Yes, he's one of those.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. And also not to completely derail this, I won't,
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  Speaker 1: but there was a ride at Epcot that was really
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  Speaker 1: scary and it was called Extra Trestrial and it was
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  Speaker 1: like one of those freaky like three D can Phelip forty.
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  Speaker 1: You can feel like the breathing and the blood and
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  Speaker 1: all that. They replaced it with Lelo and Stitch and
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  Speaker 1: I'm still burnt up about it. My friend is no
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  Speaker 1: longer scary.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, this could be scary.
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  Speaker 1: It could be a kid anyway.
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  Speaker 2: Sorry anyway, So by coming back, we jumped to seeing
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  Speaker 2: young Lelo, who is struggling to fit in and having
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  Speaker 2: a hard time adjusting. During a dance lesson, during which
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  Speaker 2: they have their traditional dance lessons, she gets into a
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  Speaker 2: fight with the other girls and it's called a weirdo freak.
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  Speaker 2: We soon learned that Lilo is alone with her older
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  Speaker 2: sister Nanni, who is trying to provide for the two
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  Speaker 2: of them. Soon, a social worker, Mister Bubbles actletely named
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  Speaker 2: Mister Bubbles comes to find the girls have a hard
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  Speaker 2: time and warns Nannie she has three days to change
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  Speaker 2: his mind on letting them stay together or separating them. Essentially,
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  Speaker 2: Lilo is feeling down alone, so Nanni tries to cheer
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  Speaker 2: her up with a pet where Lilo picks out her
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  Speaker 2: favorite experiment six six, which she names Stitch.
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  Speaker 3: So he pretends to be a dog, which they thought
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  Speaker 3: was dead.
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  Speaker 2: But yet they put him in the cage with all
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  Speaker 2: the real dogs, where the real dogs are scared of
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  Speaker 2: It seems kind of an odd way to do it,
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  Speaker 2: but hey, you know, she says that he used to
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  Speaker 2: be what did she say, a collie?
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  Speaker 3: But then you got right over and it looks like
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  Speaker 3: this now, I do those explanations.
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  Speaker 2: I loved it. Of course, Stitch is a hazard to
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  Speaker 2: the family and also the planet, so much so that
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  Speaker 2: the United Galcti Federation has sent doctor Jumba and Pleakly,
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  Speaker 2: a worker for the Federation, to retrieve Experiment six to six.
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  Speaker 2: Now no as Stitch Stitch continues his destructive ways, Nanny
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  Speaker 2: has hard times and trying to find a new job
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  Speaker 2: after being fired due to an incident between Jumba, Plickly,
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  Speaker 2: and Stitch where a fabulous wit.
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  Speaker 3: Is in the mix.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, as all this is occurring, mister Bubbles is around.
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  Speaker 2: He seems to not have to do much observing at
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  Speaker 2: all disapproving of course, the pursuit and trying to capture
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  Speaker 2: Stitch is not going well for Jumba. Complicately, however, they
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  Speaker 2: observe the Stitch seems to be changing from what he
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  Speaker 2: was originally created for. He was learning about family or ohana,
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  Speaker 2: as Lelo tells him, which means family they stick together
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  Speaker 2: in certainly crying. Here, he learns that Lelo has felt
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  Speaker 2: alone for a long time, especially after the death of
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  Speaker 2: our parents. She talks about being used to not forgetting
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  Speaker 2: those who leave her and tells him he can leave,
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  Speaker 2: Fee wants to, but he could also be a part
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  Speaker 2: of their small family. Again, more crying. She also tells
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  Speaker 2: him the story of the Lost Duckling and he's trying
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  Speaker 2: to find his family.
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  Speaker 3: More crying.
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  Speaker 2: He soon does realize he wants to be a part
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  Speaker 2: of the family, but by that time it's too late
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  Speaker 2: and he is captured by the other Federation employee gone To,
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  Speaker 2: who was a large shark.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I believe he had to be carried over because there
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  Speaker 2: used to be a nemesis from a cartoon that he
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  Speaker 2: looked like. You don't talk it about.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't have time to look into this, but I
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  Speaker 1: actually think this movie is like Multiverse before, like Multiverse
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  Speaker 1: was a thing, and it has a lot of crossovers
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  Speaker 1: with a bunch of other Disney movies or cartoons. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know if that's true, but I think that's that's
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  Speaker 1: the vibe it was given me.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because he looked like he looked like the other
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  Speaker 2: there's several like bad guys I wanted I said, stretch Armstrong,
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  Speaker 2: And I don't know if that was a thing or
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  Speaker 2: if I've made that up.
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  Speaker 1: That's a thing. I don't know, but.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know if that's.
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  Speaker 2: But anyway, I think my nose let me know, because
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  Speaker 2: because it's like he looks like an already created bad guy.
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  Speaker 3: But anyway, moving on.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, he he is there and he is able to
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  Speaker 2: get uh STI, but he also taketes Lilo, but Stitch
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  Speaker 2: is able to escape.
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  Speaker 3: Why Lolo just taken away to return to Turo and
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  Speaker 3: everybody's just like okay.
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  Speaker 2: All the while, Nanni is looking for both Lelo and Stitch,
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  Speaker 2: who had run away after a tense fight scene and
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  Speaker 2: encounter with Jumba completely which destroyed their house and of
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  Speaker 2: course caused mister Bubbles to come and try to take
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  Speaker 2: Li away.
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  Speaker 3: She ran the way and this is how they got
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  Speaker 3: in that predicament.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. So at this point, Nanni witnesses Lelo being taken
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  Speaker 2: away in this spacecraft and decides to force an enlist Jumba,
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  Speaker 2: Pleakly and Stitch to help get Lilo back.
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  Speaker 3: Of course, Stitch was like yes, Ohana.
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  Speaker 2: After an intense battle, they're able to get Lilo back.
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  Speaker 2: But when they returned to the island, Stitch is immediately
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  Speaker 2: handcuffed by the Grand councilwoman, who has arrived to handle
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  Speaker 2: the matter of the experiment six to two six herself.
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  Speaker 2: But it's during this time we find out that mister
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  Speaker 2: Bubbles was a former CIA agent who had met the
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  Speaker 2: councilwoman before and hand know that whole situation Mosquitoes, and
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  Speaker 2: after some discussion, Stitch is to remain exiled to Earth
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  Speaker 2: and that Nonny, Lelo and Stitch were under the protection
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  Speaker 2: of the United Galactic Federation. Of course, in this whole time,
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  Speaker 2: David the boyfriend has been a big help, and the
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  Speaker 2: family not at that point yeah, about to be yes, yes,
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  Speaker 2: and then we see them living happily ever after their house, yes,
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  Speaker 2: with the Alsoplequely and Jumba end up remaining there too,
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  Speaker 2: which is.
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  Speaker 3: The whole thing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it was. It was hugely successful in narrow sequels. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: It's featured in many video games. Yes, a lot of
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  Speaker 1: merchandise around uh, Lelo and Stitch for sure.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So the year after two thousand and three, they immediately
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  Speaker 2: did the sequel, of course, straight to video.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah type of sequel. Have you seen it?
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  Speaker 2: No? Okay to me, but yes, we know that they
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  Speaker 2: are very happy. They are great. I also forgot to
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  Speaker 2: mention Elvis is all throughout as well. They all love
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  Speaker 2: Elvis and this was kind of a unique point to
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  Speaker 2: the story, to the specific animation because they hadn't really
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  Speaker 2: done that before where they brought in popular music and
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  Speaker 2: incorporated it within so.
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  Speaker 3: Interesting.
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  Speaker 1: I think their soundtrack was like one it went up,
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  Speaker 1: it got like number one.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: They they were known for their soundtrack and ended up
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  Speaker 2: being like bringing new popularity to Elvis as well as
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  Speaker 2: a lot of Hawaiian music, which you know, we have
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  Speaker 2: a lot of I don't know that song Hello Oh,
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  Speaker 2: the very popular Hawaiian song which Elvis did do for
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  Speaker 2: a concert in Hawaii, like one of his biggest concert
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  Speaker 2: to date, like people watched it nationwide internationally actually, but
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  Speaker 2: that featured the song, So a lot a lot of
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  Speaker 2: depth to that culture as well as new takes, I guess,
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  Speaker 2: or are revisitst revisits. There's a lot of revisits, whether
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  Speaker 2: it's the type of animation that they did or bringing
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  Speaker 2: back Elvis as uh for a new generation to listen to.
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  Speaker 2: Very very nice. But yes, so that is Leila and Ditch. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: I cried. I think that themes are fairly simple. Obviously,
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  Speaker 2: family Ohana is one of them in remaining with people
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  Speaker 2: that you love her sister, like the ins and outs
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  Speaker 2: of them trying to care for each other but also
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  Speaker 2: really annoying each other.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, drawing things.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they have a I was thinking about the
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  Speaker 1: ways this movie is pretty unique, especially for when it
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  Speaker 1: came out out, and one of them, I do think
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  Speaker 1: is the relationship between the sisters when you think about
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  Speaker 1: the other Disney movies that came before, it was pretty
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  Speaker 1: unique and that it was at the forefront, and that
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  Speaker 1: it was pretty adversarial and a lot of like they
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  Speaker 1: clearly still loved each other and more fond of each other,
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  Speaker 1: but they annoy.
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  Speaker 3: Each other right right.
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  Speaker 2: The nailing of the house, Yes, the calling of mister
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  Speaker 2: bolves to be like, hey, so I'm left alone and
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  Speaker 2: these things are trying to kill me. Hi, I'm always alone.
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  Speaker 2: I get punished five times a day, yo club. So
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: that was a big one. I think the Chosen Family,
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  Speaker 2: of course, is a huge conversation, and I say it's
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  Speaker 2: a lot to be said during that time when we
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  Speaker 2: were talking four younger generations of what makes a family
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  Speaker 2: and people were talking about being step families, having families
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  Speaker 2: who have a gay parents, all those things was pretty
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  Speaker 2: big topic at that point in time, and I think
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  Speaker 2: that was kind of bringing that home in a different way,
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  Speaker 2: whether it's you know, no parents, sister taking care of you,
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  Speaker 2: or you adopt an alien. Yeah, and then you have
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  Speaker 2: two more aliens who help out.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. I mean again that it's not that that
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  Speaker 1: is completely new for what Disney was doing before, but
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  Speaker 1: that's pretty because a lot of times it was the
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  Speaker 1: evil stepmother, right or something like that, whereas this was
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  Speaker 1: much more come on, my ugly Duckley, the family. We're
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  Speaker 1: gonna make it work, and it's gonna be messy, but
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  Speaker 1: that's what it is, right. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And there's no little hero versus villain. There's no real villain,
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  Speaker 2: like all of them kind of seemed like could be
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  Speaker 2: a villain, but it kind of opens up into being
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  Speaker 2: something completely different and making and accepting everyone and loving everyone.
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  Speaker 3: And being able to change.
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  Speaker 1: Mmmm.
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  Speaker 2: That was a big thing because you know, Stitch was
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  Speaker 2: created for chaos and evil and then all all of
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  Speaker 2: a sudden, he's protecting and loving although he is chaotic yeah,
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  Speaker 2: and the less like for sure, but like no understanding
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  Speaker 2: family and wanting family, not realizing when it was because
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  Speaker 2: he was created need not to need family, but in
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  Speaker 2: the end he does want family and being accepted and
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  Speaker 2: being loved can change things even when you feel all alone.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And kind of when Leo was like saying,
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  Speaker 1: you know, because Stitch did cause a lot of chaos
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  Speaker 1: and he did kind of get non you fired, not purposefully,
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  Speaker 1: but and also really interfered with her finding finding jobs
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  Speaker 1: and Lelo still being you know, wanting to invite him
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  Speaker 1: to the family but being like, hey, this is your
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  Speaker 1: I want to be a part of it. You don't
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  Speaker 1: have to be, but it is here, so it kind
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  Speaker 1: of has that like almost unconditional like it's here for you. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but I can't force you to stay.
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  Speaker 2: Right, And that's exactly what she said. She says, you
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  Speaker 2: can leave, but I'll never forget you. But with that,
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: you know, one of the themes of being alone and
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: trying to find your people, that's that's obviously again. I
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: cried because she was so sad but trying so hard
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: to make friends but knowing she's a little different and
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: gone through a lot and really wanting h to be
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: with people like she wants to fit in, she wants
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: to do things, but realizing she is different, like you know,
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: oh you're playing dolls. I have adult it's got bad bugs.
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: In it's here, it's and thens the dying, but it's okay,
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: I'm going to operate on her and then being upset
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: and throwing it and then realizing she still loves it
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: and going back to get it, like stuff like that,
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: and her trying to find that, but then and with
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: that finding Stitch, who was obviously very different as well
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: and very alone, and she was like, you belong to me.
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: We belong to each other because we are both different
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: and accepting those differences and loving each other and growing
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: with each other, learning with each other. She tries to
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: teach him, yes, how to get be likable.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: It does not go well, no, no it doesn't. No,
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: it doesn't.
• 19:28
  Speaker 3: Elvia's concerts and sue.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah it is. Lela was also kind of interesting
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: in that she wasn't like I feel like a lot
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: of the previous heroines and Disney movies were quote weird
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: in some way, but their weirdness was like they were
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: could sing, they are like they just weren't gonna conform,
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: so I don't know, they were brave and independent something
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: like that, like somehow doesn't feel super weird, but like
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: she was a pretty strange, Like I'm saying this from
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: from my heart, I relate she was like somebody who
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: was being herself and was being kind of constantly like
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: oh no, no, no, that's you're not going to fit
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: in here. That's right, having that finding that person who's yeah,
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: you're on your level of weird. Do you can be like, hey,
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: look at this doll. Isn't it the coolest thing? Like yeah, yeah.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: I love the scene of her like I have to
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: punish my friends and having the voodoo dolls and putting
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: them in the pickle jar, Like the pickle jar was like, Okay,
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: that's interesting, you got a solution.
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: Not sure what's gonna happen to pickle in them.
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: I like it.
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: I like it very cute. And then but she still
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: calls some of her friends and that kind of hurt
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: my feelings too.
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: All thett all they're so mean.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: I think she ends up getting accepted a little bit,
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: but she just doesn't care as much towards the end.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: So it seems as she's performing the luel and the dances,
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: and of course a big conversation about this is the
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: Hawaiian native culture and the people and what that looks
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: like kind of like they're not shying away from native
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: people of Hawaii and know I love that, except again,
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: they did not use any Native Hawaiian peoples to represent
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: themselves in this animation. But hey, hey, hey, they have
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: time to learn. We got we got we got that,
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: we got that live action coming. But yeah, but they
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: don't shy away from that necessarily, they don't necessarily try
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: to make it whitewashed so much in there. Uh. I
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: found that refreshing for a Disney movie, not having a
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: white person being the center of it. It was very unusual,
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: or like a princess of source, which are dictated to
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: be like either your royalty and therefore you can be
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: this person or you're white. Yah.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I remember that being a big conversation when
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: it came out. I know we talked about this in Milana,
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: but I remember it being a big conversation when it
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: came out that Nanny was fat, she had fat thighs.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: I remember that, and as a kid who's still like
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: so insecure, I remember reading that being like she fat.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: Oh no, But there was a lot of conversation that
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: was stirred up after this about body types and representation
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: that really I just remember being so did I would
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: never have thought twice. I just remember those headlines and
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: then then it was like, oh, oh yeah, but apparently
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: that was a big deal too.
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: Well, which is hilarious.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: So I remember distinctly when I was younger, Beavis and
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: butt Head and Daria coming on, and the animations in
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: those were specifically like the hot girls had very thick
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: thighs and a big, old but tiny waist, and then
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: like that's the way they were drawn, and I remember
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: really appreciating that as a girl with huge thighs, like
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: having issues with the fact that my legs and my
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: cats are a huge growing up.
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: And I say huge large, they really are.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: They're not small, and I've never had small like legs,
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: and it always made me so self conscious and I
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: always felt so obviously bad about myself. But seeing animations
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: like that where it kind of celebrated that was unusual
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: to me, and I loved seeing that, And Leelo and
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: Stitch was a part of that conversation. Now again there's
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: a whole conversation about like, how are they representing people
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: of color? Is that, I will say in the Daria cartoons,
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: outside of Daria herself, who was supposed to be nerdy
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: and small and like all these things.
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: The girls that were the cute girls, they were white.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: Girls with thick legs, And I'm like, that's an interesting
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: interpretation for that. But then coming into seeing yeah, Leilo
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: and Stitch and them animated that way, like what was
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: the purpose? What was the point is it to just
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: is it just a choice that was made off hand
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: or was this a racist choice?
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: Or was this trying to divert.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: Like divert away from the standard and being like this
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: all these different body types can be the stars, you know,
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: Like there's so many conversations, so like, is this a negative?
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: Is this how they see people of color?
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: Or is this like just trying to realize people are
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: different shapes And yeah, people who surf and people who
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: are a part of that culture they have they're muscular people.
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: They have to be, yeah, to be able to stand up.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: My legs shake thinking about it, so like there's that
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: there was that conversation of that. I like the different
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: representations in that level, it did feel interesting for some reason.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: And I say this in an like and maybe them
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: just being all the characters, the human characters seem more
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: like animations than the alien characters.
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: Does that make sense?
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: Like they seem a little more caricaturist than even the Aliens,
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: even though like of course Jumbo was and Plekly were
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: made to look comical. Yeah, but then like you look
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: at the Grand Councilwoman and you look like gone to
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: like they are, they seem less CARICATUREI ish for aliens.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: I know, it's an on statement versus the people who
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: had like the caricaturish body types and like face types.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: It just it just seemed interesting to me that they
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: drew it in such a different dichotomy of what I
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: expected to see. Like the Plekly and Jumba fit in
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: with that kind of caricaturish, but then the others seems
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: so like almost sophisticated.
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: So that makes sense. I know that's an un statement,
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: but it was an interesting.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: Difference to me, uh because I noticed that at the
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: very beginning, because at the very beginning you can kind
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: of look at the darkness of it, of the trial,
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: and like this was one of the first full length
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: animation that was sci fi cartoon, sci fi feel good cartoon.
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: Like it was noted as.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: That that it was unusual instead of just being straight
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: you know, one or the other. So like I did
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: find that interesting when you have those differences, because you
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: see the kids drawn in such a way that does
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: feel like a comic. Yeah, you know, the children all
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: kind of look like they're, uh, part of the what
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: is that woodblock people's.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: I know what you're talking about?
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm talking about. So it was interesting.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: Again, this is I think this is the last animation
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: they said before like the new picks O level with
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: toy story and all that started coming out, so a
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: little different in how they did that, but it is
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: interesting to see the differences. Still a classic. Didn't realize
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: I was twenty two years old. Still hurts my feelings. Yeah,
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: I'm okay.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, like you said, there will be live action.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: We'll have to see how that turns out. I'm very interested.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: I do recommend if you haven't listened to our episode
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: on Moana, I do recommend going and listening to that
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: because we did talk about body types and representation and
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: race culture in that. So that's an ongoing conversation and
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: we have Mwana too coming out soon, and so there's
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: been a lot I talk about that, a lot of
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: excitement about it. And then also in there we talked
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: about the kind of strangeness of like, I'm pretty sure
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: I don't think this is like any big surprise. I've
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: never looked it up, but I'm pretty sure like a
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: movie likely Them and Stitch or like Milana. A lot
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: of times the part of the pushes people like visiting
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: oh Haaii and so they can put that in their
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: resort and so like they are one of their nicest resorts.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: Uponnesian has Lilly Low and Stitch restaurant Ohana, Like that
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: just makes sense. Disney does that, Like they try to
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: have reasons why you want to go to their parks
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: and see their movies and get their merchandise all that.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: So it's not like I'm saying something, but I do
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: think that was a That's a big part is they
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: know people like going to Hawaii. But yeah, we would
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: love to hear from you listeners. If you have any
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: thoughts about this movie, you can email us at Stephanie
• 28:45
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• 28:47
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• 28:53
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• 28:55
  Speaker 1: as always here our super producer Christina or executive pducer
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: My and our contributor Joey.
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: Thank you.
• 29:00
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