Latest / Intellectual Medicine / Prostate Cancer Bone Metastasis: Why Standard Treatment Fails Men and What to Do Instead
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- 0:00The message is live life, don't anticipate death, maintained
- 0:07vitality. Nobody can guarantee us
- 0:09tomorrow. And I do not want to pay the
- 0:12price of today's misery for some false hope that it'll make me
- 0:19live longer. Do you really want that piece?
- 0:24I want both. I want both for you.
- 0:27So there is a desperate need for alternative approaches, even in
- 0:32the setting of metastatic spread.
- 0:37So we know the first thing you do when there's a suspicion of
- 0:40prostate cancer being present based on an elevated PSA,
- 0:44abnormal MRI of the prostate is you do not get a biopsy.
- 0:49It stirs things up, can spread disease.
- 0:52But suppose you go to the doc and the cancer has already gone
- 0:58to the bone your first time in, you're feeling pretty good and
- 1:02you're having some back pain, and lo and behold, it's prostate
- 1:07cancer in the bone. Now, first back pain is common,
- 1:12but back pain caused by metastatic cancer is pretty
- 1:15darned uncommon. So do not get a bunch of imaging
- 1:19studies. Wait a few weeks.
- 1:22If you strained your back, it's going to get better.
- 1:25If not, the cancer will still be there.
- 1:27It's not going to make a difference in your outcome.
- 1:29So you present to the doctor, now you've got it in the bone.
- 1:33What next? I still do not advocate
- 1:37conventional approaches. The problem, they're going to
- 1:40damage your health. You are going to suffer a
- 1:44negative consequence because the approach of conventional
- 1:47medicine toward metastatic cancer to the bone, prostate
- 1:51cancer to the bone, is testosterone annihilation.
- 1:56You take testosterone out of your body, you're going to get
- 1:59tired, weak, develop breast. In all likelihood your sex drive
- 2:04goes away, you get depressed. It is a horrible way to live.
- 2:09It's a terrible thing to do to a man.
- 2:13And all that misery and the cancer will eventually progress.
- 2:19Not maybe 100% of the time that cancer is going to progress.
- 2:24You got to have honest information, men.
- 2:26That's called castration resistant cancer.
- 2:31OK, A lot of things bad in that sentence #1 castration.
- 2:35Are you kidding me? Going to cut your testicles out
- 2:38of you, whack your testosterone for what?
- 2:41So you feel like a like a jellyfish and the cancer
- 2:45progresses. Anyhow, this is O for two guys.
- 2:50In fact, there's a better way. We'll talk about that, an
- 2:53alternative approach that I advocate.
- 2:56First, more about prostate cancer and how it moves.
- 3:00If you don't have it in the bone currently, that's a fear.
- 3:05You think about that, it's out there.
- 3:07Suppose it goes to the bone. What can I do to make it not go
- 3:10to the bone? That's what the protocol focuses
- 3:14on. Conventional medicine aspires to
- 3:17achieve that goal. The way they do it, however, is
- 3:21not worth the price of admission.
- 3:23They do it by causing irreparable harm.
- 3:26And Despite that irreparable harm, the cancer can still
- 3:30progress. Take the prostate out.
- 3:32You would think that'd be the end of the story, right?
- 3:35No prostate, no problem. False studies now have
- 3:40demonstrated. After 20 years of following men,
- 3:44we know that you can still get metastatic disease to the bone.
- 3:47Horrible but true. You suffer the consequence of a
- 3:50surgery, radiation is even worse, and now here it comes
- 3:54back again. So do not let them scare you.
- 3:58And you're doing something irreparable, certainly not
- 4:02without contemplation. My advocacy is for honest
- 4:06information. Forgive men choices.
- 4:10Not the same treatment offered by 8 different docs.
- 4:13That's what's out there currently.
- 4:15I've developed my protocol to give men another path forward
- 4:19should they choose it, and that's what we're talking about.
- 4:21Suppose it's in the bone. Is this repurposed drug therapy
- 4:26pathway still viable? I believe it is.
- 4:30Now, when or if it's in the bone, men, you've got years to
- 4:35live. In all likelihood, the average
- 4:38survival is measured in years 5 to 7, even with conventional
- 4:45treatment, even with its progression now, yeah, there are
- 4:49cases where it's like a House of fire.
- 4:51They're uncommon. Every now and then there's a
- 4:54variant of the prostate cancer that causes rapid progression
- 5:00that is a bit random. It's sad if it happens, but
- 5:04there is no way to determine whether or not that's your fate
- 5:09by virtue of doing biopsies. You don't stick needles in a
- 5:13prostate gland, ever, but especially not when you already
- 5:17know there's cancer there. You're just stirring the pot.
- 5:21How do I know that? Well, common sense tells us
- 5:23that. Case study reports of metastatic
- 5:26spread tell us that, and an interesting detail regarding
- 5:31survival points toward that. Men who present with cancer
- 5:36already in the bone as their first symptom versus men who
- 5:41first presented with early stage cancer and later it went to the
- 5:45bone. The men who didn't have any
- 5:48treatment prior to it going to the bone have a longer survival
- 5:52from that point forward. Then the men who first had
- 5:55treatment, then it went to the bone.
- 5:56If you measure it from the timing of bone metastatic
- 5:59presentation. Now I'm not advocating that
- 6:03we're rooting for bone metastatic disease, not at all.
- 6:06We're doing things to prevent that from happening.
- 6:09But most importantly, you don't want to sacrifice vitality.
- 6:12So what happens? Conventional medicine, they're
- 6:15going to say, well, your, your PSA is going up.
- 6:18In some cases you feel pretty good, feel pretty good.
- 6:22The evidence shows maybe it's metastatic.
- 6:24Maybe it's starting to creep into the bone a little bit.
- 6:26Sometimes your studies are equivocal.
- 6:29Guys is not a study in medicine. Very, very few of them that are
- 6:34absolute. Even a PET scan of prostate
- 6:38specific membrane antigen, PET scan is considered to be pretty
- 6:42darn accurate determining if there's cancer in tissue, bones
- 6:47and other places. But even that kind of a false
- 6:50positive. So you've got to be very
- 6:52cautious, particularly if you're feeling pretty good about doing
- 6:56a treatment like castration or what they call testosterone
- 7:00annihilation. So if the cancer goes to the
- 7:04bone and if it's causing pain or other symptoms, a cycle of
- 7:10androgen deprivation therapy can take away the bone pain, can
- 7:14shrink the prostate cancer sufficiently to allow for better
- 7:18urine flow. In other words, it can have
- 7:22merit at this point. But here's where we part waves
- 7:25with our friends in conventional medicine.
- 7:28They believe in testosterone annihilation.
- 7:30We're going to bang that testosterone level as low as it
- 7:34can go, and we're going to follow your PSA and we're going
- 7:38to treat you until your PSA level becomes negligible below
- 7:4310 lower, preferably non appearing.
- 7:47I don't support that approach. Treating APSA is different than
- 7:52treating symptomatic cancer. You run the risk of being
- 7:56overtreated. You run the risk of having
- 7:58extended testosterone deprivation, causing fatigue,
- 8:04weakness, osteoporosis, man boobs, gynecomastia and Med
- 8:09speak depression, mood alteration, loss of sex drive,
- 8:14loss of erections, loss of muscle mass.
- 8:17Good Lord, how horrible you watch yourself go from a stout
- 8:20man into a doughy jellyfish, depressed and sad.
- 8:27Oh, by the way. And then it progresses.
- 8:30Anyhow, yeah, don't sign me up for that path.
- 8:33What I like to see happen instead, it's bipolar
- 8:38testosterone mitigation. This is not standard of care.
- 8:42That's precisely the point. The standard of care, in my
- 8:46opinion, is awful. First they make you feel crappy,
- 8:50then it progresses. Anyhow, no mitigation therapy
- 8:54means a cycle of androgen deprivation to lower symptoms.
- 8:59Take the bone pain away, make urine flow again, and the PSA
- 9:03will go down. But the goal is not contingent
- 9:07on the PSA. That gives us more liberty after
- 9:11a cycle of androgen deprivation. Here's the kicker.
- 9:15You do a cycle of testosterone therapy now.
- 9:18Wait wait, I thought testosterone was pouring gas on
- 9:21the fire. Doctor Huggins in the 1940s won
- 9:26a Nobel Prize by by developing that theory.
- 9:31That theory has been pretty well put to rest.
- 9:35Newer studies and new scrutiny of his original studies
- 9:40disconnect those two phenomenon. Now it is true that some of the
- 9:45prostate cancer is sensitive and responds to lowering
- 9:50testosterone, but not all of it. And eventually the cancer comes
- 9:56back. What you've done in that
- 9:58setting, it's felt, is you've damaged the cancer cells that
- 10:03are vulnerable to lowering testosterone, But there's a
- 10:07cluster of them that are resilient to that and they then
- 10:11take over, start to grow, and you become what they call
- 10:16castration resistant. The testosterone blocking
- 10:19therapy no longer works. Now from the time they block
- 10:23your testosterone to the time you become castration resistant
- 10:28can happen as quickly as one year.
- 10:31That's a bad place to be because they don't have a lot of other
- 10:34treatments left. Your survival is still measured
- 10:38in years, even with awful treatments.
- 10:42You can go another five years beyond that.
- 10:44So the message is live life, don't anticipate death, maintain
- 10:53vitality, and by all means, in my humbled opinion, don't let
- 10:59them put you on chemotherapy. Chemotherapy is awful for
- 11:03prostate cancer patients. Prostate cancer is slowly
- 11:07dividing. Chemotherapy works best on
- 11:11rapidly dividing malignancies. It does not have, in my view, a
- 11:17role to play in prostate cancer in the approach that I advocate
- 11:22now. Conventional medicine loves, not
- 11:24loves, but they support its use. You're going to feel rotten.
- 11:28It's going to be side effects, and the cancer is going to
- 11:31progress. You may get a reprieve, but we
- 11:33don't know if that reprieve is improved very much by the by the
- 11:38chemotherapy. The studies are hard to
- 11:42interpret. Not everybody has metastatic
- 11:44disease at the same level. Some have a little bit in the
- 11:48bone, some have devastating extension.
- 11:52The fear for many men is a fear of infirmity, pain, suffering.
- 11:59This is not 1980s terminal care management guys.
- 12:06If your destiny is this cancer is for the cancer to take your
- 12:11life at the end, they got plenty of meds available.
- 12:16That window of time between misery and death is really short
- 12:20and can be well managed. I know it's scary to
- 12:24contemplate. I don't like to think about me
- 12:27dying. I like to think about me being,
- 12:29well, immortal, right? We know the reality we're going
- 12:33to die. We.
- 12:36I like Woody Allen's quote, he said.
- 12:38I don't mind dying. I just want to be there when it
- 12:40happens. We don't want the extended
- 12:43suffering. And I feel that's what happens
- 12:47with this castration therapy. Yeah, you may not be withering
- 12:52in pain, but you're you're a lump.
- 12:55You'll lose your joae de verve. Now, the approach that I'm
- 12:59advocating is research based. It is not proven to make you
- 13:06live longer, but by golly we're going to aspire to make you live
- 13:09better. And yes, we're going to go after
- 13:12longevity. If we know for a fact, and it's
- 13:16a fact, man, it's not debated that when you start castration
- 13:21therapy, 100% of the time the cancer will progress and if you
- 13:26don't die of something else first, it'll take your life.
- 13:30If that's a known consequence of current treatment, doesn't it
- 13:35beg an alternative? And we know from preliminary
- 13:39studies that the bipolar testosterone that is spiking
- 13:44high levels of testosterone and then crashing it seems to be
- 13:48rather unpleasant toward cancer cells.
- 13:52It appears to disrupt their DNA in a way that can kill off some
- 13:56of them. That's kind of cool because now
- 14:00you're getting the updraft of testosterone, all of its
- 14:03wonderful benefits, energy, brain function, libido, muscle,
- 14:09you feel like yourself. And potentially, and this is an
- 14:14unproven part, we're tracking these outcomes.
- 14:16We have patients in this pathway currently.
- 14:20Is it possible that by doing this type of an approach, we can
- 14:24extend the survival because we're not subjecting those
- 14:28prostate cancer cells to an unrelenting barrage of androgen
- 14:32deprivation such that they adapt to it and overcome it?
- 14:37Is it possible that this stuttering, intermittent cycle
- 14:42is going to extend the utility of treatment and help men live
- 14:46longer? I think it may.
- 14:50The thing that makes me advocate it, even in the absence of clear
- 14:55knowledge about its potential for longevity, is that you're
- 14:59going to get vitality. You're going to feel better.
- 15:02And we're not abandoning hope for extending lifespan.
- 15:07This is the part of the journey, then, where you can see the
- 15:11finish line. You can feel it.
- 15:14It may be five years out there, but it's different for you.
- 15:18Like, we all know we're going to die in an abstract sense of the
- 15:21word. The older we get, the more it
- 15:25creeps into our brain. While I wake up tomorrow.
- 15:28They didn't think that way when you're 25.
- 15:31Most of us didn't. Now it starts to creep if you're
- 15:3470, if you're 80, if you're 90, when you have prostate cancer,
- 15:40it feels like there's a terminal event out there waiting for you.
- 15:44Well, in fact, there is. We don't know if it's prostate
- 15:46cancer, though, and we do not want the terminal event to be
- 15:50preceded by a living death, Dementia, fatigue, all bad.
- 15:57So vitality, always. My message to you is do not give
- 16:01up hope. Do not quit your optimistic
- 16:04pursuit of a high quality of life.
- 16:07That's all we have, isn't it? We have today, we have the
- 16:10moment, we have vitality. Nobody can guarantee us
- 16:15tomorrow. And I do not want to pay the
- 16:17price of today's misery for some false hope that it'll make me
- 16:25live longer. Do you really want that piece?
- 16:29I want both. I want both for you.
- 16:33So there's a desperate need for alternative approaches, even in
- 16:38the setting of metastatic spread.
- 16:41Fear drives men to do things they otherwise would never
- 16:45consider fear. And that fear I, I'm afraid,
- 16:49sometimes gets amplified by well, meaning, but a little bit
- 16:55histrionic. Clinicians.
- 16:57Oh, my God. You must go on androgen
- 16:59deprivation. You have to have chemotherapy.
- 17:02You have to have radiation. Otherwise it's going to
- 17:05metastasize. Question, doc.
- 17:07If I do all that, will it not spread?
- 17:09If I do all that, will I not die?
- 17:11No. No.
- 17:12It's going to progress anyhow. That is what it means to fight
- 17:18cancer like a man. It means staring the potential
- 17:24for death in the face and saying I choose life.
- 17:30I choose vitality. In the abstract.
- 17:34It's always easy to say I want to die with my boots on.
- 17:38I'm going to go out like a man. I'm going to go strong forward.
- 17:42Now is the time to live those words.
- 17:47Not abandoning hope, not saying oh the heck with it.
- 17:50I do not advocate, by the way, abandoning any treatment with
- 17:54this nihilistic sense that I'm going to die anyhow.
- 17:57Oh, the heck with it. Let me just get it over with.
- 18:00Oh, if you did nothing, you'd probably have years to live.
- 18:04You know, there was a movie John Wayne starred in.
- 18:07And in the movie, he gets diagnosed with prostate cancer
- 18:11by virtue of a digital rectal exam, we presume They don't show
- 18:15that in the movie, but you get the picture.
- 18:17And he then goes out and lives in a reckless manner that ends
- 18:22with him getting killed. And I get it, you know, he's
- 18:26thinking, let me go out with guns blazing.
- 18:29But shoot, if he had done nothing, he might have had
- 18:31another 15 years. Anyhow, that's movies.
- 18:34That's why we don't use them to guide real life.
- 18:38So if you're listening to this, and if you have bone metastatic
- 18:42disease, live life. Do not sit idly waiting for
- 18:47death. You have options.
- 18:50You do not have to pursue conventional treatment.
- 18:54You have alternative pathways forward.
- 18:57Focus on vitality. If you're listening to this and
- 19:01you have prostate cancer but it has not metastasized, fantastic.
- 19:07Your likelihood of living a good long healthy life is pretty darn
- 19:13strong. Therefore you're going to avoid
- 19:18things that are conventionally recommended.
- 19:21No biopsies? Nope, you track that non
- 19:25invasively. I wish they had a magical
- 19:29treatment that would solve our problem and it's not out there.
- 19:33We need to learn to live with our prostates, even if they
- 19:36harbour cancer cells. We need to learn to live with
- 19:40prostate cancer even if it goes to our bone.
- 19:43We need to put vitality first. We need to step up away from
- 19:48conventional treatment if we ever hope to change these
- 19:52outcomes. So the new treatments aren't new
- 19:57at all. They're really more of the same,
- 20:01except for this brave initiative that some of you are embracing.
- 20:06All right, well, that's a quick synopsis.
- 20:10Prostate cancer. What if it goes to the bone?
- 20:13Fear. Do not let it dominate you.
- 20:17Do not let prostate cancer kill you twice, once in the spirit
- 20:22and then again in the body. Well, guys, today's a good day.
- 20:26Let's live great together. Grab vitality, celebrate life.
- 20:30We're not here very long. Let's make the best of it.
- 20:33Talk to you next time. Thanks.