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Patriots Unfiltered 5/5: Final Takeaways from 2022 NFL Draft, New England's Scouting Philosophy · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 1: Patriots Unfiltered. Appreciate a little wrap up of the picks
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  Speaker 1: for the Patriots. Yeah that says it all, doesn't it?
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  Speaker 1: Right there the big side. Do you think if they
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  Speaker 1: took Jimmy Johnson people would have said, well, they must
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  Speaker 1: not have liked them that much because they didn't trade
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  Speaker 1: anybody else. Well, don't put me in the box of
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  Speaker 1: Come on? Maybe two months looking at draft boards and
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  Speaker 1: starting to feel like, you know how things should You're
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  Speaker 1: all right, you don't have to be that mad about it. Fred,
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  Speaker 1: excuse me for a defensive line guy, but he was
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  Speaker 1: their quarterback of Houston and Miami. Oh boy, Oh, put
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  Speaker 1: down the cigarettes. Paul Paulo's home. He's a chain smoker,
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  Speaker 1: Mike do so it's a sexual dessault. You know me
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  Speaker 1: kind of like looking looking sexy on the front right,
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  Speaker 1: like Keith Sweat over there. It's exactly exactly, that's perfect.
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  Speaker 1: Mike's idea of being sexy is having his card agant
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  Speaker 1: sweater on, button, a little little chest hair. You know.
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  Speaker 1: This is the fastest remember going. All right, but we're
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  Speaker 1: still in the after glow of the draft. Glow for
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  Speaker 1: some people, not so much a glow as a burn.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe but I think you just settle in that these
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  Speaker 1: are the guys you got, and you start, you know,
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  Speaker 1: over analyzing who went where and when, and these are
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  Speaker 1: the players that you want to see next month when
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  Speaker 1: you get out at OTAs to to get a glimpse of,
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  Speaker 1: you know, where they line up. I mean last year
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  Speaker 1: it was great getting to see Mac. I think that
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  Speaker 1: was just a highlight to see a rookie quarterback in
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  Speaker 1: training camp. I don't know if it gets any better
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  Speaker 1: than that, but it'll be uh, they know it'll be interesting,
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  Speaker 1: especially Thornton. I mean it's hard to say with like
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  Speaker 1: strange um, you know, in OTAs you're not really going
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  Speaker 1: to get much kind of insight into into how he's doing.
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  Speaker 1: But I just I'm excited to see Thornton run and
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  Speaker 1: that looks like on the field, Like like exactly what
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  Speaker 1: what does that look like? Because we haven't seen that
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  Speaker 1: in a while. Yeah, tall guy, Yeah, skinny drinker. Not
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  Speaker 1: to play Matt grows side of the fence here, But
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  Speaker 1: that's the whole thing. You Like, we've been clamoring for
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  Speaker 1: fast guys. Yeah, let's see what fast guys look like. Strong,
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  Speaker 1: strong Jones. You know who's back, who's who's back doing
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  Speaker 1: the returning? What does what does that look like? From Jones?
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  Speaker 1: And so there'll be something seen, some things to say
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  Speaker 1: to see. Absolutely, we'll get a chance in a few weeks, right, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: end of the month, end of the month, beginning of
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  Speaker 1: next month. Yeah, he's made twenty seventh and then in
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  Speaker 1: the Mini camp and so I think we get like
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  Speaker 1: we get about about a half dozen. Yeah, sometimes they
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  Speaker 1: cut that last one off. Sometimes they don't. It's last
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  Speaker 1: year they didn't, which was unfortunate. Now yeah, a half
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  Speaker 1: dozen or so. Yeah, Yeah, that's gonna That was what
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  Speaker 1: I was going to ask. I'm having trouble talking to
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  Speaker 1: day Uh because it was seemed weird to me. I
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  Speaker 1: thought always that the Mini camp was the rap, but
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  Speaker 1: then that was like that lingering. Last weeks been a
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  Speaker 1: wrap around week where I don't know if if they
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  Speaker 1: change the timing, but yeah, we've had Mini Camp and
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  Speaker 1: then like another round of OTAs. Yeah. The only thing
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  Speaker 1: that couple year, the only thing I can figure is
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  Speaker 1: maybe in the past, like you're right, in the past,
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  Speaker 1: it was Mini Camp and that was the mandatory part,
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  Speaker 1: and as soon as that was over, sometimes they'd even
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  Speaker 1: chop that short like it would be two days and
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  Speaker 1: they'd be like, oh, we did what we came to do.
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna, you know, call it a day, and then
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  Speaker 1: they'd be off for the summer. I wonder if if
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  Speaker 1: particularly Bill wanted a chance to if Mini Camp doesn't
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  Speaker 1: go the way he wants, he still has another like
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  Speaker 1: in his back pocket, like we've still got a couple
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  Speaker 1: more days we can clean things up. Also, during the
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  Speaker 1: time where Mini Camp was the last thing, wasn't it
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  Speaker 1: a little later in June, Like yeah, mid June, and
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  Speaker 1: now Mini Camp is earlier. Yeah, you know, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I don't You might be right. I don't have the
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  Speaker 1: exact dates, but I think that they're all the same,
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  Speaker 1: Like the Mini Camp is the same as OTAs. It's
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  Speaker 1: just oh yeah, there's just there's just three days that
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  Speaker 1: they have to be the only reason why it's known
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  Speaker 1: as something different, right, they're all the same. Yeah, it's
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  Speaker 1: same type of practice. It's just mandatory for everybody, and
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  Speaker 1: it's all part of a program that it it increases,
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  Speaker 1: you know, as it goes. So for whatever reason, they
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  Speaker 1: have an OTA session after Mini Camp. Now, I think
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  Speaker 1: it might be with the I don't know this for sure,
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  Speaker 1: but the CBA when the most recent one was done,
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  Speaker 1: may have changed the timing of when you can start.
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  Speaker 1: And based on all of that, there's you know more
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  Speaker 1: and you know more time to do it. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know why they don't just have the mandatory mini camp last,
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  Speaker 1: because they could do that if they wanted to. That's
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  Speaker 1: how they used to do it. So I don't I
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  Speaker 1: don't know exactly why it's it's done that way. But
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  Speaker 1: Bill always says that you know, all of the you know,
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  Speaker 1: teaching teaching camps not but he always says it's all
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  Speaker 1: part of the process. It's part of the Do you
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  Speaker 1: think Bill's thinking is if I make the last thing mandatory,
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  Speaker 1: that's what people will show up for, or if I
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  Speaker 1: make like that, if I make the second the last
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  Speaker 1: thing mandatory, well but you have to come to this,
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  Speaker 1: you might as well stay for the dessert. Yeah. I
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  Speaker 1: like that. They could be Yeah, it could be interesting
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  Speaker 1: to see who shows up. And you know which of
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  Speaker 1: the injured guys that ended the season on IRRE. You
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  Speaker 1: know it's James White out there. I mean, I know,
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  Speaker 1: actually Cameron mcgrowan, Josh Blood, so those guys both practiced
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  Speaker 1: towards the end though they didn't activate mcgrown. No, but
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  Speaker 1: they did practice for the But you know, like even
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  Speaker 1: like remember Dalton Keene last year, it was like he's
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  Speaker 1: just just on the bike. Kind of a sign of
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  Speaker 1: things to come. Guys like that, Yeah, get a health
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  Speaker 1: status on on like ray Kuan McMillan. I know, I
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  Speaker 1: did a little list of guys to look for. Run
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  Speaker 1: it down, terres Hall, James White, Wow, terres Hall, we
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  Speaker 1: need to do it. We didn't see him a health
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  Speaker 1: check on him? Is he even around? I mean I
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't even recognize him. Henry Anderson, Jonathan Jones, Longi, Dalton Keene,
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  Speaker 1: Ray Kuan McMillan, Jennings Coward, Jabrill Peppers problem, what did
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  Speaker 1: you go up towards the end of the season forgot
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  Speaker 1: what he? I think he was okay to come back.
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  Speaker 1: They just didn't activate them. Maybe he's not one, but
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  Speaker 1: you know, Jabrill Pepper's coming off an ACL. I mean
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  Speaker 1: that's a significant one to kind of keep an eye on.
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  Speaker 1: All right, and other news. May twelfth, a week from today,
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  Speaker 1: schedule will be coming out. Oh yeah, Eric, I'm very happy.
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  Speaker 1: I'm I like, I like when the schedule comes out,
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  Speaker 1: it's it's my thing. Okay, it's my thing, but well
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  Speaker 1: it's I do. I like to find out how many
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  Speaker 1: night games, and you know how they spread it out
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  Speaker 1: where we're going, that kind of stuff, when we're going,
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  Speaker 1: and and well, the preseason schedule come out earlier. I
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  Speaker 1: was talking to Paul in the past. It usually came
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  Speaker 1: a little before, right, I expect that early next week.
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  Speaker 1: Usually it comes out before, but sometimes sometimes after. Well,
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  Speaker 1: sometimes you'll get the opponents and not the time because
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  Speaker 1: they're still negotiating what time, you know, and how much
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  Speaker 1: input did the teams have on the preseason games. It's
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  Speaker 1: opponents quite quite a bit some Yeah, as opposed to
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  Speaker 1: the actual regular season. Yeah, they do have input because
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  Speaker 1: a lot of it is like you've got your your
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  Speaker 1: your familiarity thing like the Jets, I mean, excuse me,
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  Speaker 1: the Giants and the Patriots. They always want to be
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  Speaker 1: the last for each other because that's the shortest road
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  Speaker 1: trip for both of them. It's just it's an easy thing.
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  Speaker 1: So they want to coordinate with coaches who know each other,
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  Speaker 1: who want to do the joint practices, that kind of thing. So,
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  Speaker 1: and then I don't think the league like grants every
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  Speaker 1: single request. That's given, but I think they try to
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  Speaker 1: accommodate as many of them as possible. Yea, and everybody
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  Speaker 1: wants to stay pretty close to each other, right, do
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  Speaker 1: you want to limit the hassle? I mean it's like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I remember back in the day, like playing Green Bay
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  Speaker 1: in the preseason, the Patriots would go to green Bay.
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  Speaker 1: Like I even thought that was like a little like, wow,
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  Speaker 1: that's kind of weird, like they're going all the way
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  Speaker 1: out to green Bay for the preseason. San Francisco even
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  Speaker 1: was that when Parcels was here, think, you know what,
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  Speaker 1: that's I had didn't think of that. Yeah, that's probably
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  Speaker 1: that's probably the reason, having quite a show sharp sh
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  Speaker 1: he knows sure, but that's probably exactly why went to
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  Speaker 1: to Lambeau because of his relationship with um ron Wolf
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  Speaker 1: and he also I remember he used to say, you know,
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  Speaker 1: even in the preseason, Lambo is a different environment and
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  Speaker 1: he had a young team that he's trying to build,
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  Speaker 1: and that was part of his mentality. But I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: ron Wolf was a big part of that made it easier,
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  Speaker 1: just you know, working together, and we heard rumors of
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  Speaker 1: some joint practices this year. Caroline, Caroline, that's that's still
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  Speaker 1: hasn't been expanded upon from that, I think it was
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  Speaker 1: it was a Joe person that wrote that. Well, it
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  Speaker 1: was what's his name? The coach rule mentioned it at
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  Speaker 1: the owners meeting last monster yea, excuse me in March
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  Speaker 1: now that I forgot exactly how he said it, but
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  Speaker 1: he basically said, you know, we're working on having a
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  Speaker 1: joint press. Still don't know if they're going to be
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  Speaker 1: The practices will be here or in Charlotte, right yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I think it was a giant stadium, right yeah, with
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  Speaker 1: Dable that I would make sense to do. Last year
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  Speaker 1: where what was it last year they practice there, so
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  Speaker 1: they be to be the opposite. Yeah, we'll practice there.
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  Speaker 1: You know right now, you know we're already down to
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  Speaker 1: three preseason games. I can guarantee you we're gonna go
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  Speaker 1: up to eight teen regular season games and we'll go
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  Speaker 1: down to two preseason games. And when that happens, I
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  Speaker 1: think you'll see even more joint practices during the summer
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  Speaker 1: for all teams. I would even make up for that.
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  Speaker 1: I would venture to say that it would be almost mandatory,
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  Speaker 1: like you kind of have to, like the coaches are
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  Speaker 1: going to be like, look, if you only give us
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  Speaker 1: two games. We have to do more than just play
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  Speaker 1: the two games you have to give them. We have
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  Speaker 1: to do more than just playing against ourselves. But if
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  Speaker 1: they do too, like they if they've done two for
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  Speaker 1: the most part, um, do you mean how many more?
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  Speaker 1: And that's what they'll do. I'm just we have, but
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  Speaker 1: not every team does. I'm talking about. I think it'll
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  Speaker 1: be common practice for every team, agree, you know, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, would you just practice with a team and
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  Speaker 1: not play them in a preseason game? I mean that's
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  Speaker 1: easy enough with the Giants being close. If you're not
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  Speaker 1: even gonna play each they're just to practice. There's a
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  Speaker 1: lot of stuff you just want to do, yeah, internally,
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  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Yeah, so yeah, you need
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  Speaker 1: you need that private time. I think it makes sense
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  Speaker 1: for the week of the preseason game though, to like
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  Speaker 1: work with the team, you know, because it's kind of
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  Speaker 1: like and and and glorified practice for the fans too. Yeah, totally.
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  Speaker 1: It's the best for the fans, especially here where everything's free,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the parking, the admission. I think I think
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  Speaker 1: if they've practiced with the Giants again, I'm just gonna
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  Speaker 1: be watching Joe Judge the whole time to see what
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  Speaker 1: that awkwardness is all about throughout the field everywhere does
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  Speaker 1: he just stand like opposite end, doesn't interact with it.
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  Speaker 1: It's just has that ever happened? Really? Like a guy
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  Speaker 1: right after he gets fired is then and then you
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  Speaker 1: not just coaching against them. It's like joint practices. There's
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  Speaker 1: some right mingling. There's well, the Giants did it when
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  Speaker 1: they hired Um Garrett is their offensive coordinator, so he
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  Speaker 1: faced the Cowboys well in the game. But yeah, like
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  Speaker 1: a joint practice where familiar you know, you know there's
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  Speaker 1: some you know, glad handing before the practice, people walking around, Hey,
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  Speaker 1: how you know slap off the top of my head.
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  Speaker 1: I can't either. No, it's kind of random, but that
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  Speaker 1: that would be interesting. We'll be up on our perch
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  Speaker 1: and just to do the judge cam. Maybe that just
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  Speaker 1: followed him, like we never had a joint practice against
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  Speaker 1: Denver when Josh was back, or you know, I'm trying
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  Speaker 1: to think of people who left and then came back
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  Speaker 1: like that or not even was here, just left their
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  Speaker 1: team and then was on this team. And then we
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  Speaker 1: had yeah, I mean we had Patricia come from Detroit,
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  Speaker 1: but we didn't you know, we had the joint practice
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  Speaker 1: with Detroit, but then he came back here and they
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  Speaker 1: didn't go right. Detroit's right, right, that would have been
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  Speaker 1: an example if we had right. He's just standing next
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  Speaker 1: to Dable being like, I know, I know, this is
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  Speaker 1: what I was dealing with. I told I think, look
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  Speaker 1: with all due respected Christmas. That's what got we look
• 12:46
  Speaker 1: out for two to see if we're on Christmas Day. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that that's one thing that could happen. Then we talked
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  Speaker 1: about the you know to West Coast, you know in
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  Speaker 1: Vegas to you know, lumped those together and they spend
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  Speaker 1: a week out the desert southwest desert, southwest souse. You
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  Speaker 1: got it from me, Thank you, Deuce. It's contagious, yeah, desert.
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  Speaker 1: So there's you know, there's some things to keep our
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  Speaker 1: eyes on when the schedule comes out. Yeah, that Vegas
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  Speaker 1: game is gonna be a popular one. Now. Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure our marketing uh department has already planned out
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  Speaker 1: a junkt to that one. So that's it. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: mean I wonder if they will do that, you know,
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  Speaker 1: match up Arizona in Vegas. Now, how I'm gonna imagine
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  Speaker 1: teams ask for that kind of stuff do. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: they did. Now that stuff is definitely not always honored.
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  Speaker 1: I know there was a team last year that specifically
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  Speaker 1: asked for something, it didn't get it, and they were
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  Speaker 1: pissy about it. I figured who it was. There was
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  Speaker 1: actually you remember, no Way du you weren't here yet.
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  Speaker 1: Obviously it was on the West Coast and I had
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  Speaker 1: that year. We had the four game four times, right,
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  Speaker 1: you remember this, Fred, We had the four West Coast
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  Speaker 1: to go to all four, No I was I went
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  Speaker 1: to you went to San Diego and Seattle. Right, I
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  Speaker 1: went to San Diego and Seattle. I didn't go to
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  Speaker 1: it to the Raiders and then forty nine. But the
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  Speaker 1: schedule comes out. We already knew, I mean, we knew
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  Speaker 1: the opponents and we asked for let's just say that
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  Speaker 1: the Patriots asked for those two to be back to
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  Speaker 1: back in separate. So we had one in October and
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  Speaker 1: one in December. And I think like everybody in the
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  Speaker 1: AFC East had that same opponent's schedule. So other teams
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  Speaker 1: like the Jets had four West Coast games two didn't
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  Speaker 1: think to ask, I guess or whatever, and had all
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  Speaker 1: four theirs at different times, so they had to do
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  Speaker 1: the four trips. They complained to the league, and then
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  Speaker 1: the next year or the year after, the league made
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  Speaker 1: a change to the schedules, saying, so like, we were
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  Speaker 1: supposed to have played Kansas City, I believe in the
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  Speaker 1: Monday night game where that the Shoemaker quarterback came in.
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  Speaker 1: Not Mike Kafka, but there was some it was a
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  Speaker 1: Monday night game over here, Tyler Palco, thank you. We
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  Speaker 1: were supposed to play that game, I believe in Kansas City.
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  Speaker 1: But because there was it was a rule now if
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  Speaker 1: you have more than three West Coast games, you have
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  Speaker 1: to change whatever. So because the Jets it's bitched about
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  Speaker 1: not being able to do what we did, it got
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  Speaker 1: changed and everything. So but I think they've remembering all
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  Speaker 1: the Kyler Palco, I remember. Yeah, I have no knowledge
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  Speaker 1: recollection of anything. Well, but you just said other than
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  Speaker 1: the fact that we played two sets of West Coast
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  Speaker 1: games you o wait, oh wait, oh wait o wait. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's the only part of that. In fairness, I write
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  Speaker 1: the schedule analysis every year, so that's part of what
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  Speaker 1: I had to write about. Was because my job that
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  Speaker 1: was the story of that. I like to keep that up.
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  Speaker 1: I will keep it up? I like doing you keep
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  Speaker 1: that up? I do? It's I mean it's something like
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  Speaker 1: analyzing a schedule other than when like the Felgren mask,
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  Speaker 1: think win, why don't do that? But well, as a fan,
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  Speaker 1: I was looking at it for, especially as a fan
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  Speaker 1: in the West Coast, what games can I make? Um?
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: And now it's about what games am I staying up
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: late for? Where the short turnarounds? Where's the like Sunday
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: late night followed by a Thursday game? Like what are
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: the what are the grind parts? Oh? Yeah? Yeah? When
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: the first thing we look for all the time, right,
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: how many night games do we have? Any games? And
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: how they coincide with anything that I might have to do? No,
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: but no, but yeah, you know, and you never know.
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: I and people don't care about our personal lives, but
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: like there are different games and whatnot from my kids
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: that I want to make sure that I'm around for
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: and yeah, depending like you know, if you had a
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: like a you know, like a Thursday night game and
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: then there's a Friday game the next day, Like you know,
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: it's not not ideal, as they say, it's not ideal, sure,
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: stuff like that. You always want to look and see
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: how those all coincide. Another little content teas are related
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: to the schedule. Um, I'm gonna be doing a uh
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: top to bottom ranking of all the road trips in
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: the NFL. Okay, so that'll be we'll release that sometime,
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: maybe a day or two after my to bring out
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: the comments on that one. Yeah, you can do that
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: to see what I don't agree with. You probably won't
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: agree with most of it. Now, you won't be able
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: to do Vegas because we've never had a trip to Vegas,
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: but I have been too Vegue. You've been into Bay, right,
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: So I include all of them, including Los Angeles because
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: even though I've never been to Los Angeles, everybody knows,
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: you know, LA is like you've never been to us.
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: I've never been to Los Angeles. But all thirty two,
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: and I include the international venues in there, so wow, wow, Yeah,
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: you've been to Germany. Those were announced, by the way,
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: were announced. So it's gonna be Seattle and Tampa Bay
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: in Mune and Munich. How does the organization feel about
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: Tom Brady getting the first game there when that's our
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: home territory. It's Tampa Bay's too. Yeah, I just hate
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: so much deces back it's you know, did you guys
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: have Brady put a TikTok out today? I'm sorry, what
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: TikTok okay? Oh, I'm pretty sure that the first one.
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: It's one of these TikTok trends where it's you know,
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: safe bulging, tell like the truth or tell the truth
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: about something. And Brady kind of looks, he looks over
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: his shoulder and he goes, it might have been a fumble.
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: Oh oh, troll troll troll. And then I saw poor
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: Amy Trash getting getting tagged with that on Twitter, like,
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: you know, because she's still so passionate and great about it.
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: So that's good little bit content. At least he has
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: a sense of humor about things, right? Was that a shot? Eric?
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: I don't get humor. Speaking of not having humor, there's
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: a thread going on on Reddit our long time listeners strippers.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah us, Yeah, I was gonna say, where's he taps
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: out in the off season? Well, you know, he's busy,
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: you know, I think he taps out period. I don't
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: think listen, yeah, probably since he was he was he
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: liked and he was U but he was known for
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: like we would mention something and be like, when was
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: that Paul, when was that? And like two seconds later
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: he'd email us with like a web search link like
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: here it is answer Like he was like almost as
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: quick as our boy Jamie used to be. Remember Jamie
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: how quick he used to be on the Google search.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: Jamie was the best Googler in the history of Google. Yeah,
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: but interesting threat. So it was you go ahead and
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: try sometime when you look at with something specific. He
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: was Taekwon Thornton fast when he came to Google. Yes,
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: I would say, anyone that wants to us, go on
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: there and input what you think of us. You know,
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: you don't have to back us up. Yes, you can
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: tell us that you don't like us. No, which no,
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: you know, no, only only good things and then Fred
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: will hunt you down. Freedom of speech, say whatever you want. Friends.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: Took offense to all the people that called him a homer. No,
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: I just thought it was interesting that I'm a homer.
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: But the show was negative because they're three of us.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: I think there and somebody has to be anybody listen
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: to this show and says it's negative, it doesn't really
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: listen to the show. It's not only negative. So some
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: people like fighting, some people don't like fighting and I
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: and I would be in the category of enjoying a
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: good little The one thing, the one thing that I
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: would agree with is talking over each other. I think
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: we do do that and it's unlistenable. He said no,
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: But I mean when you're listening to radio, you can't
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: understand what people are saying. Yeah, you know, so we
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: need to watch that. There's a there's a time for it.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: I know I did it over the draft week and
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: when when Paul was, you know, raking me over the coals, um,
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: but you know I was raking you over you guys
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: the other day. There was But sometimes you have a
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: little explosion I think is you're tin of yelling over
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: each other for a second, Like that seems like happening
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: when it happens, you know what happens. But when you're
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: both trying to make points that are real points in discussion,
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: I think that's when it's Andy was He was terrible
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: at that. Like you you know, he didn't you'd want to,
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: you'd want to argue with him, but he just literally
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: wouldn't let you speak. Yeah, it was a bullying you know,
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: and that was his tactic. And it's like, well, we're
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: gonna Are we gonna talk about this or not? You know? Yeah,
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: it was very Eric just broke on a sweat. I
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: heard he's doing a new podcast now with Fitzy Andy,
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: and see, really Shim is al right now it's Fitzy.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: I just found out who Shim was last show and
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: now he's out. Go get your shine box. I said
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: that last show, he's saw my joke? Were you Dan
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: over here? Joke? I think it's the good Fellas joke?
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: Dane Cook? You like that reference right there? All right?
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: Eight five five past five hundred is the eight ticket
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: hut line? Eight five five pass five hundred. Um? Anything
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: you want to throw out there before we open it
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: up to the listeners. No, I mean we're starting to
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: we're starting to unleash our draft profiles. Were just overlooking
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: the transactions of the week. I mean Patriots, Oh Divino
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: Zigbo yeah or Divine Yeah, they let him go, No
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: divine intervention. There draft two running backs. Someone had to
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: go you're out, You're out, Tom, You're out. Yeah. I
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: think that's about it. What about this quarterback that they
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: sign undrafted free agent who says, you know, he thinks
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: they're going to use him in a lot of different positions,
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: but king, Yeah, yeah, it won't be a quarterback, right, yeah,
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: be running back, ride receiver. Thanks for listening to return.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: It was a quarter you were on it, weren't. Yeah
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: he was. He's a first of Houston and he was
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: a pretty good he's a pretty good receiver. The coaches
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: really liked I was on it, but maybe some of
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: our listeners weren't listening. The face you just gave me
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: the best face. Oh yeah, but he did play, he
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: did play significant amount of receiver earlier, early in his career. Um,
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: and watched a little of that yesterday. It's okay, what's
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: his measurables? Five eight? Yeah, he's five eight? Yeah, I
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: mean he's he's not Edelman. It was like a fire hydrant. No,
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: and I mean you know, and the thing about Edelman
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: two was he had that that three cone time that
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: you Connor were like, well, he's he's got some elite quickness.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: He doesn't. He doesn't doesn't have so, um, there's not
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: really a me. Don't do that anymore? To do what
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: three is not important anymore? Mac Row new sheriff in Towns.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: An interesting thing though, was combined there weren't a lot
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: of great three cones. Anyway, it's just just an interesting
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: kind of that's because we were ahead of the curve
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: on that. Yeah, just straight everybody's looking at right, that's why.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: Well that was I mean that's all. The running backs
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: didn't run any of they I think some did the forty,
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: but they didn't do any of these. The shuttles, yeah,
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: corners too, they're not running backs. I guess everybody kind
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: of just held hands and said, we're not doing it together.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: And but yeah, I mean certainly Derek King could be
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: you know, a guy that makes a transition from a
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: college quarterback to a receiver. We've seen it happen a
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: lot um. I just want to caution like the chances
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: of it being you know, Edelman. I mean, it's disrespectful
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: to Edelman. I say this this solid time, like when
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: we just think that the next guy who has that
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: kind of profile will be the next Edelman or the
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: next Welker, Like those guys were really great players. I mean,
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: Troy Brown is an all time Patriot, and to just
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: suggest the next guy that comes along will be the
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: next guy like him, Yeah, sooner they're not you know, unicorns.
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: Sooner or later someone will be like that. But I
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: just I'm not going to assume that someone's like that
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: just because he played college quarterback and it's five foot nothing.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: That's just a start night. Like I mean, like I said,
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: Edelman had at least that three cone time that you
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: that you had some intrigue statistically coming in that he
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: would have some quickness and be able to ditch guys
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: and get away and get open. I know, I don't.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: I don't think there's really much that stands out about
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: King to me, um, but I thought, I mean, I
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: was kind of digging a little bit on on some
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: of these undrafted guys. I thought the Brendan Schooler guy,
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: he's a you know, was a receiver then was a
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: safety at Texas and a big special teams guy. So
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: if you want to talk about somebody who might might
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: make it good profile on that, yeah, he's yeah, athletic,
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: interesting guy and he's got long here for ye oh,
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: I cut him then, all right? Eight five five past
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: five hundred is the eighth ticket outline. Eight five five
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: pass five hundred. Web radio at Patriots dot com is
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: the email address. Uh, let's get to the phones. Start
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: with Todd, North Carolina. Hey, Todd, Todd Todd Todd, He's gone,
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: oh wow, Wow, Let's go to Patty and agawam. What's
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: up Patty dude? Hey, hey, I got a couple questions.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: Second one, I'll be quick, but the first one's kind
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: of a weird hypothetical question, and it's regarding how they
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: traded up to take the Kwan Thornton and just your
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: guy's opinions. I'd like to hear the opinions considering like
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: his place, well not really his place style, but like
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: his measurables, the fact that he the program that he
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: came from, and the fact that he played gunner. Do
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: you guys think that Jamison Williams was either like at
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: the top or like the top guy on the Patriots
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: board going into the draft. M I mean it's possible,
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: like you know, we we are pretty sure based on
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: some sources that last year, if Wattle was available and
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: the other receiver, they would have taken him. Waddle. I
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: think Waddle is the guy they love. Yeah, and so
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: that's that's my opinion. That's not a fact. No, no,
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: it's not a fact. But I think, you know, maybe
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: they would have taken Williams if they had a higher
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: draft pick, you know, and he was available or if
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: he dropped to them, they would have jumped at him.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: And maybe they wanted that type of receiver and they
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: thought that this guy was a poor man Williams and
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: we can coach him up. And you know, maybe that's
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: why they moved up to get him, because you know,
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: they thought maybe Pittsburgh was gonna grab him, but they
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: wanted that type of guy. Yeah, they definitely have similar files,
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: just as far as height and you know, body type
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: and speed. Clearly speed, that's that's the thing. So I
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: mean he did it at Alabama, but yeah, it's a
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: good question. I don't know. I do know though, I
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: saw the pictures of Jamison Williams being introduced by the Lions,
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: and he looked like depressed, like you did, like the
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: most straight face, like I'm like, whoa, you're getting introduced.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: He's right next to who is the top chin Hutches
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: has got the big smile on. Jamison Williams just kind
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: of looked dour. I don't know, but again, comportment, if
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: you had to catch passes from Jared Goffin, he'd be
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: doing back back flips. Either. I can't do back FLI
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: and real quick. Do you guys have any interest in
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: James Bradberry if the Giants released him. I'm not really
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: familiar with the players. Oh, he's a good player. Yeah,
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: I don't know if we'd be able to afford him.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: But not familiar with good player. James Bradberry, former Panther
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: went to the Giant just supposed to be the prepared
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: one in this podcast. Didn't you read the reddit thread? No,
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: you read a reddit thread. Yeah, it was short. Um,
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: he's a he's a pretty solid corner. Uh. Yeah, I
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: would be interested in him, Patty, if they could, they
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: could bring him in. Um, I think he would. He
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: would slot in as a starter. I would feel really
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: good about him being one of my two starting corners. Absolutely, thanks, Patty,
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: appreciate it. James Bradberry, he's just not thinking. Yeah, probably
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: no serious, Like I know dou said. I know that
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: he knows who that is. He's just not thinking right now,
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: all right, and we don't pay no mind. Yeah, he
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: was on the Panthers there out of out of college,
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: and then he signed a free agent deal with the
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: Giants and supposedly he's supposedly, as they say, he's he's
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: on the way out Eldred's in North Carolina. What's what's up? Eldred?
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: Hey fellows, how y'all doing good? Hey Fred? Yeah, one
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: durn thing about this show man. I love it all right,
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: thank you. I love what y'all know each other. I
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: love it and you had me chuckling over here. But
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: I find myself lately agreeing more with Paul. Paul mean
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: you mean you used to argue a lot. I like
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: to love that more than anything, but we don't argue
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: it right now. We're coming everything. Well, you both hate
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: the Patriots. You see what he does, see what he
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: does there. But yeah, I'm getting to come to your
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: side a little bit about Thornton because I saw some
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: highlight then NFL talking NFL Network talking about especially Bucky
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: Brooks and that other guy you know. See it might
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: be a sleeper all the pens. You know how how
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: New England used him, but he was a burning and everything.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: But my thing is, I know, like I said, I
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: look at the way Nick the Cereal draft. I looked
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: at the way but Josh did when he left. I
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: knew he had to put some input with the GM.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: Then I look at Dabo, how they how they draft
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: and I mean they went after the guy just and
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: know they under Bill Free and I'm like most I
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: think Nick got got the guys the Bill won't it.
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: He jumped the head and got him like MITCHI and
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: I think the corner somebody else, yeah, you know, and
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: then he he kept picking. I'm like, drn you know,
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: but I like the way they draft, and I'm just wondering.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: You know, they took something from Bill, but they didn't.
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: They didn't take the drafting part. They did a little
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: bit what the team need it. And that's my problem
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: with Bill. You know, I understand get what the team need,
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: but try to get the right playoffs, you know, the
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: ones that you do know that can do the big
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: name schools or whatever. If you can't get them, I understand.
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: But a couple of those guys, like I said, they
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: would sit there. We just didn't get him. Yeah, that's
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: that's my right, yeah right, yeah, but I hope they
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: didn't come in and Bradsberry. Oh he's a good guy.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't mind having him as the corner instead of
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: two five eight guys we got. I really have him. Yeah,
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: I just look a second round pick um, you know,
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: with the Panthers and he's been so I mean, I'm
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: not trying to make him up to be Rivers or
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: anything like that, but um, I think he would be
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: an upgrade. I think he'd immediately be your best corner.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: On the radio this morning, Paul, two of your guys,
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: the Bankroll boys, they were having a big argument about
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: the Patriots draft and so on, and you know who's
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: I mean, guess who's in Fish Lift shots loved it. No,
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: But I think what the point that they were kind
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: of both making, but they were still arguing, is you know,
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: you choose to you choose to believe the sources that
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: back up your opinion. No doubt that's a good point,
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: you know. But but something that um the Murray is
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: it Murray? It's Joe Murray and Dan Lift Like he
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: was insisting on that last year Dave Ziegler ran the
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: draft and leaderships kept saying, how do you who says says?
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: Who you know? And that's a good point, Like, like
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you, like even NAT's coming out now, people
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: are starting to talk about Mac. This is clearly like
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: I think our buddy Mike Giardi right had a tweet
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: about this from an AFC guy with Patriots ties. It
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: was a vague kind of description, but clearly all the
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: earmarks of a Matt Matt grow draft because of the
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: guys they picked and not necessarily profiling guys that Bill
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: would be I'm sorry, it's to me, it's it's it's Bill.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: Now it's Bill. Then it has always been, always will
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: always right. It's always the way it shall be in
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: my opinion, until he decides to agree. I agree, But
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: I also wonder how much of it is how it's
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: presented to him, because he's not doing all the heavy lifting.
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: At the end of the there's probably some sort of meeting,
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: many meetings, probably where it's either Ziegler or Macro or
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: somebody presenting to him this is who we like. Well,
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: that's a good point he picks out of those guys.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: But I still think that there's a little bit of
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: a you know, a sieve I guess is what, but
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: you know, a buffer before him of what they're presenting
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: to him. Um, because he's not in the way, are
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: they kind of managing up so like they're giving him
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: three options let's say at cornerback, but it's the options
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: that they give him, so he's deciding but it's based
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: on what the information he's getting to make that decision. Yeah,
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: and I think that he also is instructing them to
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: look for these guys. Not sure not Mike do so,
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: but type guy who do A, B and C. This
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: is what as an organization, this is what is important
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: to us overall as a as a person, then as
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: a player, and then at that position. Yeah, they have
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: the season wrap up meeting where they go through everything,
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: they evaluate all the players on the roster, and then
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: they have that kind of discussion of this is the
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: direction we feel like we need to go. Clearly, speed
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: was probably part of that conversation based on toughness what
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: they said and picked. I feel like toughness always was,
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: but I don't always feel like speedball. But I think
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: those teams around a lot, you know, those teams that
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: they look for guys that that will fold like they're
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: not gonna I love those kinds of things to guys. Now,
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: you want to tell me like Bill looks for guys
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: that have a certain like intangible kind of profile of
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: football being important. Yeah, um, you know, cerebral kind of players. Yeah.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: I would absolutely say that those are traits that Bill
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: looks for that. I don't think all teams are necessarily
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: enamored with you know that, you know, other teams aren't
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: looking for guys that don't like football, But it's not
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: as important, right of a factor, And I think it
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: is very important for Bill to get guys that clearly
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: show that they like foot. But I would like to
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: ask Bill or even Matt grow, what's your definition of tough? Like?
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: Is it playing through injuries? Is it, you know, dealing
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: with adversity, is it not listening to the noise? Is
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: it it's probably all yeah, but like what what's your
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: definition a tough you know, because we think the first
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: thing you think is, oh, he's strong and you know,
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: but there's other things to that. Yeah. I just I mean,
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: I think generally most football players getting to this level
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: have an element of toughness to them. And there's certainly guys,
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: you know a little bit like like Trevor Penning who's
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: a pain in the ass, who who's like a step
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: on a guy after, you know, put him to the ground.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: And you know, I think Strange has a little bit
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: of I think Mankins was was was great at that
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: he was nasty when had a nastiness to him. But
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: I don't think that that's the only way to be tough.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: I think I think just being healthy and being available
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: is a form of toughness, of being able to survive
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: the grinding you're out and playing lots of lots of snaps,
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: mentally tough. But I think Paul Paul, I really like
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: Paul's point because I think that sorry, pauls a good point, um.
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: But I think some of the misses are because of that,
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: are because they fell more in love with this is
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: just a great, great kid. And I think the first
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: guy that comes to mind is Jordan Richards, who you know, perfect,
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: perfect guy example, but couldn't really good play, you know.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: And I think when you look at some of those
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: I know, no and and and you know, a special teamer,
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: but based on where they drafted him, not really. You know,
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: we talked about value, um, but I think that there's
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: an element of that, and some of the draft miss
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: is where we may be overvalued what kind of person
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: they were a little bit more than can they really play?
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: You know, at the end of the day, I know
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: then they opposite in the spectrum is a guy who's
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: got character problems but is awesome and running for two
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: forties and three and all that you know, has all
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: the measurables. UM, so interesting. I mean, I think there
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: are subtle shifts in the draft a little bit this year,
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: but you know, generally, I don't. I think there's always
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: some kind of toughness that you're looking at, and it's
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: I think it's hard to it's kind of a nebulous
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: term of like, there's all kinds of different tough guys.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: There's guys who are nasty, they're guys who are consistent
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: and able to play um. But but like so Ziegler
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: and Wolf right, Elliott Wolf both of them got asked
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: to do interviews and didn't they say no? To Wolf
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: they turned interviews for other jobs. I mean, okay, okay,
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: I thought that they might have said no, no, they
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: allowed okay, yeah, okay, he just didn't get the jobs.
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: But part of that, you know, when we talk about,
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: you know, some of the subtle differences they probably are
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: because if you look at the last three years, you've
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: had Casserio, then you had Ziegler, and now you have
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: grow Montias and four those three guys probably do have
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: a different opinion on what Bill has asked them to
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: go and sure scour, yeah, you know, and you know
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: they might not come out with the same players. That's true.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: How I do think this particular year there was something
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: more the way that everybody's talking like Taekwon Thornton is
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: not a guy they would have gravitated to it, straight linespeed,
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: lousy three cone time, you know, and some other things
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: that that maybe they used to really focus on, you know,
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: not not as polished, uh you know, a product. But
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: maybe Bill is stepped back and said, hey, you know,
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: we need to change the way we look at that
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: position because we haven't had success with it. And maybe
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: that was you know, part of that too, you know,
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: and Bill, I just can't imagine that Bill just said, oh, yeah, Matt,
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: whatever you want at that position, I can't do it.
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: So whatever you want. I think it was an organizational
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: and Bill must say to them, you know, not just
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: this year, but in past years. Don't don't be afraid
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: to look at the sub schools, you know, the FBS schools.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: They've never been afraid of that. Yeah, don't be afraid.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: You know. No. The thing I wonder is Bill gives
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: the directive of you know this is these are the
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: parameters criteria I'm looking for it, go go at it.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: And I wonder how many of them are willing to
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: come back and say, Okay, I'll give you a handful
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: of the ones you're looking for, but I also think
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: you should look at this guy. Yeah, I like the
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: way this guy does this or that, and why don't
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: you consider this Bill. I wonder how many of them
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: are willing to or brave enough to say, and you know,
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: I'm going to submit some of these names for you.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: I think they all do. And I think that was
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: much more prevalent when a guy like Peoli was there
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: and had in Thomas Dimitrov and those guys, because they
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: had a little bit more standing yeah with Bill from
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: years of experience be with him. And I think more
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: recently there's probably been less pushback than that, and that
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: might have something to do with, you know, sort of
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: the inconsistencies of late I hope there's more, though, because
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: I think that's where you really find the good ones.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: You know, if if you have a young scout who
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: really believes in a player, I would want that, you know,
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: even if I don't see it, I would want if
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: I'm Bill and this guy is somebody, a young guy
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: and he's willing to speak up to me. Then if
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: I'm Bill, I'm like, he must really believe in him,
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: So I should look at him, you know, like he's
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: got the you know, um, he got the stones up
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: to talk back to me on this guy. Okay, I should.
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: I should give him a second thought. And I think
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: that's how, you know, the team stays fresh. And I mean,
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: I know, as any coach gets older, there's questions of
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: you know, at what point do they do they get
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: does the game pass them by? That kind of thing?
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: And the way to avoid that, I think is by
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: embracing that that the new people and the new voices
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: and um, you know clearly with Elliot Wolf coming in now,
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: I think it's his titles director of Scouting, I believe
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: is what he is now. So you know, that's that's
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: another new voice that that they seem to respect and
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: are including now in this process. So we'll see how
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: this class turns out. I mean, it's it's it's every year.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: It's exciting to see who they get, how it turns out. Yeah,
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: back to the phones, we go. Rashad's in Baltimore. Hey, Rashad, Hey, Hey, Um,
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: I guess I got a couple of things on the build.
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: Thing is one isn't bigger than the team? No? I
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: think I think sometimes, you know, Bill should be held
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: accountable for his actions. And I'm not even talking about
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: this draft, for it could be other actions that he's
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: done as a GM, like in the past, Like and
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: it's like, you know, Bill's gonna be stuck. He's gonna
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: do what did he do? And he's gonna think how
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: he thinks. But if that's not helping the team, and
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: if it's detrimental to the team, then shouldn't he help
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: shouldn't be held accountable in some sort of way? Sure? Yeah,
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: well would wouldn't you say that? Like the owner saying
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: that he needs to do a better job in the
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: draft is holding him accountable? I mean I would say that,
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: but it's but I'm I guess what I'm just really
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: saying is like it's it's like worst coming to worst
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: if it doesn't you know, if we do bad, you
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: know this year, is he gonna follow through? Like maybe
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: he'll say, you know, take a step down to GM,
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: you know and just be head co which or something
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: like that. I don't think do you want him to
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: continue to be the coach. That's okay, he doesn't have
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: to think, he doesn't have to think like y now
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: because I mean just I mean, because he's really be
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: the only coach I've you know, I've known my whole life. Yeah,
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: it's hard, but like when it comes to the team,
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: you know, it comes to the team. It's not about
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: a player or coach, right, and that that needs to
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: be your determining factor. Do you think he's the best
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: and the best man for the job for your team?
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: And I still think the answer is yes, Yes, I
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: gotta say yes. And I think it's hard to say, Okay, Bill,
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: you can keep coaching this team, but you're no longer
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: allowed to pick the players. Yeah, I don't think that works.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: I think he'd wave goodbye, right, I don't. I don't think.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: I don't think that he would go for that. You know.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: The best I think you could hope for is maybe
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: some of these people that are talking now about a
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: more collaborative effort, that that's been a sort of a
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: compromise on Bill's part. I don't necessarily buy it, but
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: if it's true when it has happened, maybe Bill has,
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: you know, sort of made a concession and now it's
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: he's more willing to sort of wigh the opinions of
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: all if I'm Robert craft a way to get around that,
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: you know, like not officially saying, Okay, you're no longer
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: the GM, but I say to Bill, and I say
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: to mac Grow or whoever um Bill, you no longer
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: have the ability to fire Matt Grow. So matc Grow
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: now has a little bit more. He doesn't have to
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: worry about Bill firing him. So now mac Row is
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: my guy if I'm but what is the fear of
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: what you think? Mac Row doesn't give his opinions because
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: he's a phrase, he's gonna get fired. I'm just I'm
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: just saying, like, now mac Row is kind of my employee.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: He's not bills, you know, I see what you're saying.
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: I just think that the bigger problem is that I
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: think that some of these guys are you know, lilimitated. Yeah.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: I think I mean it's the greatest coach of all time. Yeah,
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: but you're gonna tell him, But why are they intimidated?
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: Because he's great? Ye right, he's great, but you could
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: also lose your job. But I think you can't help
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: but say, well, you know, I'm wrong, yes, right, yeah,
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: some spill right if oh yeah, that's part he should
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: be like, exactly, you should I sit here and argue
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: with you about random minutia. Do you think I'm gonna
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: do that with Bill? Right? No, you should. You should
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: respect his knowledge and experience. But if you have the conviction,
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: if you really believe in a guy, you should also
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: feel like you can fight back. Not a lot of
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: people have the conviction to do that, right. I think
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: that's what separated the first part of the dynasty. I
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: think Pioli did that. I think Dimotrov did that. Yeah. Yeah,
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: and I think there's been less of that. Yeah, I
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, but to Robert and Jonathan, they
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: have it. They know, they know how it's run, right,
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: they know who's making the decisions and how much like
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: like sure they're they're in the draft room, right, I
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: mean it's they probably have I mean, clearly a better
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: sense than we do here. I would hope, but but
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: but I would think that they would know if if
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: the coach was just kind of a billion doesn't go
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: as far as it, no idea, what's going there? Like
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: I don't know, mac Row just told him who he wanted,
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: and then he went off in the corner insult and
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: Bill picked his guy like, I mean, I think they
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: would think they would see that, you know, so, I
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: just I think they have a sense of you know,
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: what the power dynamic is and how much input people are,
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: I mean, and you know that kind of thing. Yeah,
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: but that stuff has been than in the past, exactly
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: what you talked about. I can think of Russi Dowling
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: off the top of my head as being a guy
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: that was widely widely reported. Again doesn't mean it's true,
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: but it was widely portrayed as that was a way
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: outside the box. Pick that Bill just said. I'm making
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: this back. Yep. Todd's in North Carolina. Hey Todd, Hey,
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: it worked this time. I didn't get hung up on
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: I'll like it. I don't hang up at anybody, fat fingers.
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: It's user error. Anyway. I was thinking about Paul the
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: other day because I went to the home of pepsi
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: where it was invented. There's a pharmacy in a place
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: called New Burn that's like Mecca. The smell of the
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: pepsi just emanates from the fact that, oh, they've got
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: all these old bottles and everything. It's really really cool.
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: So I got a very two things. The first thing
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: is who scared Tomorrow off? I thought she was coming
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: in to be a regular Well, she's working through some things,
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: and but once your schedule freeze up, she'll be here
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: more regularly. Well I just thought maybe this, you know,
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: the accent off and all the other stuff, and you know,
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: talking about it or you guys didn't put her in
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: Andy's chair or anything mean like that, right, No, she
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: she got I'm in Andy's chair now and she got
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: on the hot corner where I was when I started.
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: I think that's the new in between me and Eric.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: It's like it's like the tryout for all these OTAs
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: and voluntary stuff. There's no this is not when the
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: fans can come watch. You gotta wait till training. That's correct. Now,
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: it's just us, but we'll make sure to get all
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: the stats for you. Yeah, oh yeah, well no, that's
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: my next question. How much media gets to go to this?
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: Like do you guys get to go yeah, yeah, yeah, limited, No, no,
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: we get to actually we get to see all of
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: the practices that were allowed to see. We don't get
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: to see every practice, but there's a certain number of
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: them and whichever ones were allowed to see, we're allowed
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: to watch all of them. I thought we got a
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: little extra um over the last few years than the
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: regular media. First, yeah, we got we got to watch Yeah,
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: I think it was that was COVID from that, but
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: that was training camp because because the entire the entirety
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: of the offseason was all virtual, right right. That was
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: the last question is who do you what what position
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: do you think you really really miss in this draft?
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: For mine, it was a fatty for the D line.
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: I really wanted one of Deuce's guys for us. Yeah,
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: that's who I feel like us. Who do you guys
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: think that yet? I was hoping for speed, a linebacker,
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: yeah yeah, edge, edge, or a big, big D tackle
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: probably more so edged. Just a guy that could impact
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: three downs. I would have liked Germaine or you know,
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: there's quite a couple options. Josh Josh Pascal from can
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: He was the second round guy that I thought, you
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: know fit pretty well. Um, it's just you know, it's
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: the same group. It's the same group up front. Essentially.
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: He added Sam Roberts and you got an undrafted rookie there.
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: You also added an undrafted rookie to Marcus Mitchell, who's
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: probably an outside linebacker, but otherwisier young guys and an
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: old guy, you know, young guys who were unproven and
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: veterans who were here last year. Uh web radio at
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: Patriots dot com is the email address Mike and Marilyn.
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: Uh wonders if there is an easter egg in the
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: video that came out from the draft room. Maybe, he says,
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: I saw the video where they start the trade with
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: Kansas City. Bill says we're two out, and Matt Grove
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: gets up and Robert turns around, perhaps a little puzzled.
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: Maybe didn't know him personally, or I'd be mailing him
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: instead of you. The pick just before was Trailing Burks
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: from Arkansas. Do you think they wanted him and scrambled back? Oh?
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: You would have been happy with that, right, Yeah, I
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: would have liked trailing Burks. Could be, yeah, could be.
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: I don't rule anything out, you know, with that kind
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: of stuff. And I don't see him completely as Taekwon Thornton,
• 48:03
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• 48:07
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• 48:10
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• 48:13
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• 48:17
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• 48:36
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• 48:39
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• 48:50
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• 48:55
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• 49:00
  Speaker 1: but he is from Australia. I hope you're all recovered
• 49:03
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• 49:06
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• 49:11
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• 49:15
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• 49:19
  Speaker 1: of questions in relation to the draft. How long have
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• 49:26
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• 49:29
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• 49:32
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• 49:40
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• 49:47
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• 49:52
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• 49:55
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• 49:59
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• 50:03
  Speaker 1: He also says, being so used to the Australian rules
• 50:06
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• 50:10
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• 50:16
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• 50:19
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• 50:23
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• 50:25
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• 50:29
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• 50:32
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• 50:35
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• 50:39
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• 50:42
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• 50:45
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• 50:49
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• 50:52
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• 50:56
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• 50:58
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• 51:01
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• 51:04
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• 51:09
  Speaker 1: But there aren't that many. There's only a handful of
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: guys that you know, right, would you say ten? Yeah?
• 51:14
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• 51:17
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  Speaker 1: surprised how many people have said we haven't had four
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: two speed in a long time. People seem to forget
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: Paul's guy demere Bird, who was a four two five guy.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: Cooks and Dorset were both four three three forty guys. Yeah,
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: du Assett was not that on the fields. I'll tell
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: you that. Yeah. Yeah, But it's a great cautionary tale
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: of a guy who has a first round grade and
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: runs great. It doesn't it doesn't mean that that translates
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: to the playfield. And I think that's what you know
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 1: with Thornton is as much as he ran, Well, you
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: got to see him play in games, and as we've said,
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: I think you got to see a translate to the field.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: How does he look on the field against NFL players
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: and is he able to process and get to where
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: he needs to be. But yeah, I mean I think
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: that's a great example and something like Cooks this one.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: And we talked about Cooks I think during the draft weekend.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: I think that the question was when was the last
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: time we drafted a guy like that? I think? But
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: but I don't think du Assett was that kind of speed.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: I know when he came out of college with but
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: he didn't play like that. That was one of Duce's
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: favorite guys to beat up on. Mike did not like
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: Philip to a set all that much. But Cooks absolutely
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: played to the speed. He's dynamic guy. Oh yeah, look
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: at all the penalties he drew. And you know he
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: was here for one year. What do you have nine
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: hundred yards? Yeah that thou hundred yards. Didn't like he
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: It catches up on you, you know, but it was like, yeah,
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: he really did produce. He had a good year. He
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: had one thousand and eighty two. Yeah. Yeah, it's just
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: that moment to have a guy that he gets a
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: step on the secondary and the secondary is like, oh crap,
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: like we gotta chase that. That's I mean, he had
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: some big catches that year too, like, yeah, game winning touchdown.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: He also had seven touchdowns, which was second on the
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: team to Gross eight. Yeah, and how many pis did
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: he draw? I don't have that, but he had quite
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: a few that were Yeah. How did they flip him?
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't want to get into Mount Cooks again,
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: but everybody flips him, you know, Yeah, it's kind of
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: his He's been flipped a lot of value thing. You know.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: They like him on on their terms, and then they
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: feel like they want to cut beat Tim and Connecticut.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: I see this draft as a huge letdown. I don't
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: claim to know every player or how to evaluate a guard,
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: but it seems like thirty one teams were aligned with
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: the consensus boards and Bill misread the entire board. Maybe
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: Strange turns into Logan Makons, but I see Thornton as
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: another track guy who doesn't pan out in the NFL,
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: like Bethel Johnson. Marcus Jones reminds me of Ellis Hobbs.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: And the last thing I remember about him is the
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: Plexico Burris catch in the Super Bowl. Jack Jones looks
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: like Terrence Wheatley, Pierre Strong looks like c J. Spiller.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: It seems like Bill misred free agent Billow. It seems
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: like Bill misred free agency last year with massive contracts
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: and he again misread the draft. Wow, that's certainly as
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: bad a scenario as you could paint right there, like
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: Ellis Hobbs. Yeah, Bethel Johnson, you know, but I will say,
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: if Peter Strong turns out to be c J. Spiller,
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: I'll be thrilled. C J. Spiller was a good player,
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: but the rest of it, I wouldn't be so excited.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: And I never really thought about the Ellis Hobbs thing,
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: But there's a profile there, great great kick returner, small
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: had you know, kind of struggled as a as a
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: regular full time corner and played outside corner too. So
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: if they are they going to play him at outside cornerline,
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: He's still my favorite draft pick out of the ten.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: I by far and away. The way I feel the
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: best about is Marcus Jones. Me too, and then I
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: feel confident about him at least contributing immediately. Obviously strange
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: is what strange is. But I think Thornton is just
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: the the unknown. That's the like for me. If he
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: kind of has he had the biggest upside of all
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: the picks, well, I think the upside would have to
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: be Thornton. Oh, I'm sorry, I thought we were still
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: talking about Jones. Yeah, Thornton, I think so. I mean,
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: I think I think you asked the question last show
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: about is that is he like what I forget how
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: you put it? Does he divide divide the draft? Something
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: like that? But I think you know what to kind
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: of expect from a lot of those high round guys,
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: and you know, you don't really expect much from the
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: low round guys. I mean, if if they emerge and
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: you get something great, but there's no like wow, we
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: really need Andrew Stubert to come in and you know,
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: be the right tackle. But I think if Jones is
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: the if Thornton is the kind of guy that that
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: you think he can be with the height and the
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: speed on the outside, which you know, at the very
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: least you put him outside and run down the field
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: and it's somebody to account for. But again, you know, Aglaura,
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: I don't think is you know slow. I mean, I
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: think he's he's okay, but you know, but but he's not. Wow.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: That guy burns on the field like it's it's not NFL.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: He looks at a fine NFL speed. Yeah, I would
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: say he's fast. I wouldn't say he's like that. I
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: agree with you. And does Thornton have that gear that
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: we're like, whoa this is? This is something we'll find
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: out later in the month. Andre Andrea, New Jersey. I
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: predicted it. I emailed in a month ago and said
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: the Patriots will not take an off ball linebacker this year.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: They are going to play the young guys. Now, what
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: kind of an ugly looking reach of a draft is?
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: This explained to me? The reason for two running backs,
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: which is so unnecessary. How about a quarterback in the
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: fourth round when they could have gotten a guy undrafted
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: in free agency like EJ. Perry that they were high on.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: I'll save the first round guard for other callers and emails,
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: but the team keeps finding ways to piss me off.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: Of strongly worded letter to follow. I hope those guys
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: proved me wrong, but this could be as bad as
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: the twenty nineteen class. I hope they work Outre's not happy.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: I know, I don't. I mean, we can't explain what
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: they were picking. I mean, well, I mean, I'm not
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: that surprised they thought they had to draft a running
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: back at least one. I mean, you could be a
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: little surprised they drafted too. But yeah, I thought that
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: was in need. I thought they had to draft cornerbacks
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: they did. I thought they I really wanted a wide
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: receiver on Day two they did, you know. I mean,
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: we can talk about did they get the right players,
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: but I think they got the right positions for the
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: most part. And there's some debate. Certainly, we just said
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: edge defensive tackle. I just like the running back. I'm
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: with you because we both agreed on that. We thought
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: they would take a running back the corners. I don't
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: feel like we're a like. I don't think you can
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: take guys in the middle rounds and think that you
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: addressed a position that that that's a major position of need. Um.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: That's why I kind of thought wide receiver would be
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: on the after the Davante Parker trade. Wide receiver sort
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: of slid a little bit with me. But if they
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: really liked this guy and this guy ends up being
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: really good, then you know they'll have been proven correct.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: Like you know what that guy who you know, I
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: know he was talking about Joey Galloway is the Patriot.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: But Joey Galloway was as dynamic and electric for a
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: little while in the league as any. I remember being
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: excited when they when they brought him in as he
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: was just one hundred and ten years old, way right
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: here right. I think he was pretty much set in
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: his way as he was part of that old nine
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: team that just did it did just didn't work. Yeah,
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: he played a lot more though than a lot of
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: those especial just decided you didn't want to play anymore,
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: like in training camp, like Joey Galloway was part of
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: the team into September, but that team was Mike. You
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: would have like you would have been Apple Party team.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: There was some oddities with the personalities in that locker room.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: Sean Springs and Joey Galloway had played at Ohio State together.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: There was a little bit of yeah we would college teammates,
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: but I'm not sure that they really liked each other
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: all that much. Galloway, you know, like he would say things,
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: you know, he was like my little brother, and then
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: like later you'd be like, oh, I'm taking that in
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: a little different way now, Like based on some things,
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: it was an odd mix that just didn't work, that
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: the personalities didn't all mesh. It seemed like it seems
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: especially hard to manage that in professional sports, as you know,
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: like I think in college you kind of get a
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: you know, if your college coach or you know, you
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: kind of sense, but pro players you gotta get certain guys,
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: but you just never know who's no, you know. Especially
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: credit to Bill, I don't really think they've had a
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: situation in the locker room at all. That was the
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: glaring one. That was the one that stands out above
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: all all the others. I think there have been some
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 1: minor problems here and there, but that was like credit
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: to him for being around for twenty plus years and
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: not having locker rooms that you look back on and
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: say that that team people. Yeah, I mean, we haven't
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: been in the locker room in two years. And I
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: mean I remember what open media access was like for
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: the one season I was here. I mean, how much
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: of a sense do you get to those things when
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: you're just you know, hanging out waiting for somebody to talk.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: I mean, do you do you get any kind of insight?
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: Very little? Is it more about like after games, it's
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: it's well, it's after the fact period when you start
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: to see, like what do you think went wrong? You know,
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: when you start talking in the offseason with maybe you know,
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: certain players and things like that, and you start hearing
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: some things. But I have to be honest, like while
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 1: that was happening, I never once I don't think we
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: had shows Fred and if you remember, but I don't
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: think we had shows during that season like this isn't
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: just this isn't mixing well, you know, this doesn't seem
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: like a Dallas Thomas is the same guy that he was.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: Now they had the famous incident where the four players
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: were late for practice that day. Yeah, and that was that,
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: you know, that was a major thing. It would be
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: the Jetsons. Yeah, yeah, I just I can't I can't
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: rule that out completely over the last couple of seasons,
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: just based on how the season. So I think there
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: were problems last year, yes, you know, and again and
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: I said this before the show, where it's just it
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: didn't they didn't have they didn't come together and play
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: better than some of the parts they kind of fell
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: apart and played individual football and they got run over.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: Didn't did we? Uh? Didn't? We get indications during the
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: Boogeyman season that some deep guys in defense didn't really
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, yeah, Mike's right about that's what you said.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: The last the last couple of years, there was that,
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: I mean last year with there were a couple of
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: quotes last year that stood out to me. One was
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: the Slater quote about, you know, when they were hitting
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: that losing streak, you know, we could go one of
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: two ways, and we have to decide which one we
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: want to be. And then was it Van Noy on
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: somebody's podcast talking about how, you know, Jude on getting
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: to do whatever he wants to do with one. You know,
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: I think, you know, there were many times that I
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: think mccordy made references to you know and yep, yeah,
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: confusion and whatnot. I just think I'm forgiving in September.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: I kind of want to see what happens, you know,
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: if the offensive line doesn't play great in September, or
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: they come out flat, they have a bad game in
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: September and early October, I get it, but I my
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: expectation is and I would say this probably about any
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 1: team or sport, is that when you come to the
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: end of the season and you've been practicing together and
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: you've been you know, building to this crescendo of the
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: end of season, and you can talk about after Thanksgiving
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: they played their best football, all that kind of stuff,
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: and when they teams play their worst football, it's just
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: a it's a big red flag. And I'm not I'm
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: not as forgiving of it. And you know, as Bill said,
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: I guess we'll find out next season when we start
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: playing again if that was a bad night or if
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: that's who we are. But I hope that you know,
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: strides have been taken it. The day after day after
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: the Buffalo loss, when he talked about last year, I
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: remember that, remember those days yesterday, let's go back to
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: the phones, Sean said, Vancouver, what's up, Sean? Hey everyone? Yeah,
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: I was really disappointed on Sunday with the draft, and
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: I didn't ex especially since the draft wasn't on Sunday.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: He said on Sunday he was disappointing them. It's kind
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: of the it's kind of the argue about the joke,
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: because he's the antithesis of you what's gonna argue about
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: this after the draft he was disappointed you. By the
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: time the draft is over, you bring you you wrap
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: yourself back around. We'll spin it a little bit. Okay,
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 1: that's exactly what I meant. There's no spin go ahead
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: shots in the factory. I didn't exercise where I ducked
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: with Patriots original picks, and I just went through the
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: draft and took players that I thought or were projected
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: to go at at good spots and people I thought
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: the Patriots needs. Like for example, at twenty one, I
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: took trend A Duffy for Travis Jones, eighty five Leo
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: Channel one, twenty seven guards Zach tom one to the
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: eight wide receiver Kyle Phillips. Yeah, so you get the pictures.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: I'm looking at at these picks and like, Okay, maybe
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: they're they're good, they're going to be great. I don't know.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: But whether I don't see on it is I don't
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: see the speed. So this is this is what the Patriots,
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: like you said, what they were really focused on. They
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: were looking for fast players and that's what they went for.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: And when we look back on this staff, so we're
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: going to be seeing something you know, like two thousand
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: and five. I know, obviously, um, I don't expect Strange
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: to be Mankins, but are we going to get some players,
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: like maybe even five players who who played fifteen games
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: in the NFL. So let's let's see what happens. I'm
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: gonna be looking back at these picks and see how
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: they do in comparison. Absolutely all right, Thanks Sean. Sean
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: calling in from the past. What it sounds like. Do
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: you think of the Patriots had drafted Slade Bolden in
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: the fourth round, there'd be like us significant subset of
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: people are like it was, I mean, they got Slay
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: Bolden though in the fourth I don't think you. I
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 1: don't think you'd be prepared for the amount of negativity
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: that would have come if they had drafted. No, correctly,
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. No, but I think that most people,
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: like most most people would have been apoplectic if they
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: took that guy. I know. It's just it just shows
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: like how people value certain players and everybody Slay Bolden
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: or we Riot, like, you know, people tweeting that at
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: me and I'm like, he's not even gonna get drafted,
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: Like what so, where did your guy Phillips end up
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: Tennessee and that was the other thing they were arguing
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: about today, Paul on your show. Um, you know, like
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: how how my show has even started? The draft is
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: the draft is about everybody being wrong, like even the experts,
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: and even that I kind of disagree. I mean, they
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: don't get the exact player for every team, but for
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: the most part, they're in the neighborhood of where everybody
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: goes from the most part. And that's what I hate,
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: Like the and again this is the this year we're
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: doing this. Yeah, like who's grading the graders? You know,
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: like no one ever wondered, like who was grading mel
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: Kiper's grade when they were getting a's. Now that that
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: he gave him a C plus, everybody's you know, wants
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: to know what his credentials are, Like who's this guy? Right?
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: I just look at it and said, if you thought
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen it was an A and that draft,
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: which is which he did, right, I can only imagine
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: how bad he thinks this draft is that he thought
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: it was a C plus, Right, That's how I look
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 1: at it. Yeah, Like I just you can tell me
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: that you like some of these guys more than some
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: of the draft experts, and that's fine. Like everybody has
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: their opinions. I think Mike likes Taekwon Thornton more than
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: I do. I think we both in agreement that we
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: both really like Marcus Jones. I'm not telling you that
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: this is a wipeout. I like Cole Strange the player.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: I think he was drafted a little too high, but
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: I don't I don't have to go and like take
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: all of the national guys and rip them apart because
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: they gave my team a bad draft grade. I think
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: draft grades is silly. But but in in defense of me,
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: I thought they were silly when they were getting nas
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: every year, Yeah, without ever having played a down. And
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: I don't think this is any more silly than that.
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: But these draft people, they do put in the time,
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: the Dan Jeremiah's and the Dane Bruglers and the melk
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: kiper and no one doesn't with the intention of getting
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: every pick in the slot that they're taking. No, that's
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: not the that's not the goals, right, it's it's you know,
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: who are the top guys? You know, you know, you try,
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: you try to say who might make sense for this team.
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 1: Some guys just ranked the players. They don't even do it,
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: you know, based on who picking, yeah, you know, like
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: the first round, right, Like, like, let's just say, for
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: arguments sake, that Kenny Pickett was the twentieth best player
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: in this draft. He's not, but let's just say he was,
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: and they would just put him twentieth, right, whether maybe
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: the Patriots were picking twenty if there's no way they
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: would have taken Kenny Pickett, right, Some guys that do
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: these mock rats, they're not. Their goal isn't to get
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: it right. The goal is to rank the players. Other
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: guys try to slot the teams with the players. But
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: you made the point, almost all of these guys have
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: a vast I think we ended up with like twenty
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: six and we don't even know we're doing. We did
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: it in like ten minutes, like but you know, between
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: filling up you know with gas. Uh, Like Mike and
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: I seriously did not spend a whole lot of time
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: doing a mock draft. We got almost all of the
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: first round picks taken in the first round, right right, that,
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's all. Like I just hate the the
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: the wild Andy Hart swing from the corner because I'm
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: back into a corner because my team was was criticized
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: and I have to just rip everybody that that maybe
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: had something negative to say. Uh, let's get back to
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: the phones. Cody's in Cincinnati. Hey Cody, Oh boy, what's
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: what's going on the phone talking to your Yes we can,
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: we can hear you, but you're not a good kick out.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: Uh okay, Well I'll just say the short then I'm
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: from the moon. Yeah, it's like, yeah, the International Space Station.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: Maybe I got my ways. He's a guy that we're
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: all sort of looking forward to seeing. Sorry, Cody, it's
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 1: a tough connection. Yeah. I think it's not your fault.
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: I think the phone has let you down. I think
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: that Tae Kwon Thornton is a guy that we're all
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: sort of anxious, intrigued, intrigued. I'm not going to tell
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: you that he's gonna step in and be Randy Moss
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: or anything like that, but I'm intrigued. Well, you mentioned it, like,
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: is it possible to say that everybody's draft, not just
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: the Patriots, there's one guy that defines that draft good
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: or bad, you know. So last year it was probably
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: Matt Jones. He defined the twoy twenty one draft agreed.
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: You know who would it be this year? You know
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: who will be hard? Good or bad? Yeah? Harder, harder
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: to say. But I think that Thornton's a good choice
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: because I don't think like even the two corners, like,
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: I'm not expecting either of them and this is not
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: a good thing, but expecting them to be a starting
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: on the team. You took a wide receiver in the
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: second round, and you needed a fast wide receiver. But
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: I think that in this you're gonna make fun of me.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 1: I know, but that's okay, Okay, you're gonna look at this.
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: You're gonna look at this as a negative take. I
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: think this draft is going to be defined by the
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: guys that they passed on between twenty one and twenty nine,
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: and the three wide receivers that got taken right after Thornton.
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: If those guys are really if Trent McDuffie's a really
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: good corner and George Pickens or Alec Peters, you a
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: guy is a really good wide receiver and your guys
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: are just average right look out below. But that's the point.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: If Thornton's really good, we don't care about all that
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 1: other guys are better. But well, if they're a little better,
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: but if Thornton's producing for our team, we'll be fine
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: with that. Well, I have to see what the other
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: guys are doing. That's why I think it's gonna be defined.
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: Like if Alec Pierce goes on to be like a
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: six time All Pro and your guy is just okay,
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: he's just you know, another receiver, I think you're gonna
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: look at it and say, we blew it. Yeah, if
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: he's that much better, you'll be saying That's why I
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: think it's gonna be defined. Again, I get it. It's
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: a kind of a negative look at it. I don't
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: mean it that way, but this is so those first
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: two picks were so outside of where those guys were
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: supposed to go. You can't help but look at the
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: guys that were taken. And then yeah, in the vicinity
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: the guys that you pass. So those two guys and
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: you better hope the other guys aren't great. Yeah, it's
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: it's a two part equation, that's what I'm saying. Yeah,
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: like your guy being good in someone else's guy being
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: an All Pro. You missed the All Pro. And it's
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: a really high ceiling for strange to like for him
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: to live up. He almost but he see I look
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: at the opposite, it's almost impossible for him to be
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: so bad. I guess that too. I think if you
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: ask if you asked a hundred Patriots fans about Isaiah
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: Wynn right now, they would tell you he's fine when
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: he plays. Yeah, that's why, even though he hasn't been,
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: they'll tell you he's fine when he plays. That's why
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: I don't think it will be defined by the first
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 1: round pick. I think it's I agree with you, guys
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: on Thornton. I think he's more of a referendum right
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: on the class itself because a guard is too high.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: You went with a fast wide receiver at a smaller school,
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 1: from a smaller school. Yeah, I agree with you. You know, yeah, Um,
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: Justin's in Virginia, Hey Justin. Yeah, that's it going you guys.
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: I want to kind of continue on with the conversation
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: you just said. Is it overly nitpicky to say that,
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: like even if Pole Strange is like a pro Bowl guard,
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: to say, well, damn, Like when you took shot ball
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: in the middle of the draft, you still got a
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: Pro Bowl guard, right, And I don't. I don't have
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 1: anything against the player. But the action of taking a guard.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: That's why I say what Trent mcduffio Jamaine Johnson does
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: is good because those are harder. You're not You're not
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: those are harder to get. Like the guard. Jack Mason
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 1: was a Pro Bowl caliber guard. I mean some of
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: those analytics sites had him the best Patriot last year. Well,
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: even if you were gonna reach I think a guy
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: like high year Elam, you look at him and say,
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: he might reach that the cornerback depth chart, he might
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 1: be a number one or two guy on the cornerback
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: that start. Then that knocks everyone else down and you
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: just look at that position differently. Yeah, I think we
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: could have gotten like a guard and like so like
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: three interior linemen between like the fourth and seventh pick,
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: and we would have still kind of looked at the
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 1: guard position similarly. Honestly. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, and that's
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: the point of a lot of people with that real
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: quick think. I would feel better if they took a
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: guard like a round or two later. Yeah, Like I
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 1: have no listen, they had to get it. They had
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: to get a guard, they had to get a guy
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 1: that they had to be a candidate to start. I
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: get it, they had to do it. I just would
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: feel better if we could have gotten something else in
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: the first round. Do you think, though, that there's something
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: we said and that this is a team in a
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: position right now where they just need to hit doubles
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: and they don't need to swing for the fences because
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: they need players who can come in and play solid
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: more than like Strange. Strange definitely falls into that. But
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: Thorton for the fences. Yeah, well, and I think the
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: two I think the two Jones boys are swinging for
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: the fences too. Those guys might be really good, and
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: they might be out of the league in two years.
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: Like if for Marcus Jones in particular, you know, I'm
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: really high on him. He might just be too small. Yeah,
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: that could happen, but that's to me, that's a swing
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: for the fence. Thorton, especially, Thorton's a guy who could fly,
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 1: who most people thought was like a fifth round pick.
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: You take him up, you trade up to get him
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: in the second round. I mean, I guess just focusing
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: on Strange, that's I keep going back to. If like
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: Strange as that guy, I certainly would take Strange over
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: Sony Michelle. I'd certainly take Strange over Ni kill Harry.
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: You know some of the other whisps you would now, yeah, yeah,
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 1: but I don't know, but yeah, but I know it's
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: it's yeah, you have the benefit of hindsight right with them.
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: But but we we weren't all sitting here like what
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: when when when Nikki Harry got picked, We're like, Okay,
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: Now I hated because of the position. I'm very consistent,
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: but not because I thought Sony Michelle couldn't play. I
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: thought he was really good. I didn't know the Nie
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: stuff at the time until we drafted. Let's go to
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: Nelson in La Hey Nelson today? Hey, yes, uh can
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 1: you hear? Yeah? Ad and Claire you've had you have
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: you get the award for best connection so far? Yep? Yeah?
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: All right, yeah, talking about how about we like messed
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 1: up on the draft? What about we get these though?
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: What about it don't matter about what dar player you got.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: What about he comes at work every week, does his job,
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 1: doesn't get injured. He's not gonna get a lot of
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: yards or nothing like that. But as long as we
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 1: get that w I'm good with the draft pick this week.
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 1: This week? Yeah, what if we don't get the w
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 1: who is this strange? Whoever? Whoever? As long as they win,
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: you're good. Yeah, And I agree, who's gonna argue if
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: they win? If they go seventeen and oh, great draft?
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: I think they got three great draft picks last and
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: what happened? And what happens if they go seven and ten?
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: But that's the thing. I mean, it's you know, Nelson, Nelson,
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: you know. The thing is like, you can't win unless
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 1: you have strong drafts consistently, and you can't have you know. Yeah,
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: So if you're getting w's, you've been drafting. Well day yesterday, nice,
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: happy birthday, Nelson. You sorry, Matt, I'm jealous, Paul, thanks,
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 1: thanks Nelson from me, you don't even like Star Wars.
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: I get everything from you either that Feld or bass
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 1: Ramone and Tampa. My take on the show, this show,
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 1: and forgive my writing skills. I love it and tune in.
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 1: It's changed in the ten plus years i've been listening.
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: Paul seems to have become someone else slightly after Andy left,
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: similarly to Eric, but you guys are still loved. The
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 1: only thing I change is better. You mean, I don't know.
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: I'll give you the biggest difference between me now and
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 1: me when Andy was here. Yeah, I only argue with
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: Fred now. I used to argue with Andy Ann fresh
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: your blood pressure. We gotta get Brian Morey bad. Oh god,
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: now that was I mean, no one, No one get
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: under my skin like Fred never gets under my skin
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 1: like Brian Morey did. I No, he I can see that. Brian,
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 1: I don't even know. I know, I know enough I
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: can see his like how he epitome of Brian Moorey
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: is let me tell you why you're wrong, which which
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: drives this one nuts. Let me let me tell you
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: why you don't know what you're talking about. Uh, he says.
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: The things he change are less talking over each other.
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 1: That's good, more new blood emails and callers that I
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 1: am I wholeheartedly agree with. But that's up to you, guys,
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: that's up to the list. You know what's funny, like
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 1: not that we want to copy what is going on
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 1: and Paul shows, but how many shows does he have?
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: But on all my Felgren mad But on all those shows,
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 1: it does seem like the same callers sometimes get that
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: literally all this it's been around longer, right us, Right,
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 1: that's right, Fred, you should have seen some of the
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: battles Fred used to have with Felger. Felger used to
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: do a show on ESPN Radio and he had a
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 1: Patriots Friday and he would come into here, into our
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: studio to do it, and players would come in periodically
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 1: and we would do a crossover because we would set
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: it up. Remember it was on Patriots dot com, right,
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 1: so we would set it up and they would do
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: a crossover. And you think, you know me, I've never
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 1: backed up. I was a shrinking violin compared to the
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: way Felger and Fred would just go at it. Oh screaming.
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 1: He called me a liar and oh yeah, and they
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 1: would like five minutes, right, and they would be finished,
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 1: and then it was just good job, good jobs, Fred,
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 1: leave it go have a good show. How much has
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: Felger refined his his game over over the years, I
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 1: mean was he did he come in, he was in
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: the paper. He's more polished in terms of like ins
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: and outs and running a show. He used to be,
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 1: you know, just sort of a guy who had opinions
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 1: and was good when he was giving his opinions, but
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 1: wasn't necessarily getting in and out of topics or break
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 1: He's more more polished. I would say, I don't think
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 1: his any question about it, but but he got friends,
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 1: not lying, he got everything from I mean, like that
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 1: that all started here, That started right here in this ship,
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 1: right here, in this studio. It was like you talk
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 1: about Radio Gold, we're going back to like go four five. Yeah,
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: you know, a long time there was nothing to argue about,
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: but we would. I mean we were fourteen and two
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 1: every year, but we found a way to yell at
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 1: each other. It was I mean, like knocked down, drag
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 1: out fights three games. That's gonna cost you in the
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 1: AC Championship game when you're on the road. Like literally,
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 1: we'd have a half hour on that. But the thing
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: I like to tease Felger about it. I haven't talked
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 1: to him in a long time, but you know, he
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 1: used to be the beat writer here and when he was,
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 1: you think Mike Reese is in their pocket or you know,
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: and I say, Mike really isn't. He's just factual, But
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 1: Felger was in the pocket. To the point when Robert
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 1: had his fortieth anniversary, it was me, Felger and Scott
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 1: Pioli at a table. So that's how he was, like
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 1: in you know him and Rabel used to go out
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 1: a little bit too well. Rabel went out with everybody.
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 1: He was the best. Yeah, Rabel would bust anyone's ball
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 1: like I'd walk in like he busted Teddy Bruski's balls
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: for having a stroke. I know, I read about it.
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: I'd walk in with like a like a brown dress
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 1: shirt on going with the fall colors today? What what
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 1: the fraud TV show you're gonna be on today? Ball
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 1: like like, hey, Mike, Hey, good to see you. You know,
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 1: I didn't realize we were doing that, but okay, Yeah,
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 1: he's got a friend like that. I love I love him,
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 1: but I would fight him that there. I've got a
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: couple of friends like that. Oh I love you. He's
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 1: one of those guys. He's one of those guys. And
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 1: then you know, God forbid, you're out with it for
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 1: a beer or something. He's not that I was ever
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 1: out for a beer with Mike Rabel, but I could
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 1: imagine he's He's the guy that you always had a babysit. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 1: you know, do you ever have that because he's got
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 1: a smart mouth. Oh yeah, you ever have that friend
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 1: that you got a couple in him? And all of
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 1: a sudden, you gotta put like five guys around your
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 1: friend to make sure everybody gets out of the barrow.
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 1: Kevin Gates, if you're listening, you I can only imagine
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 1: if Paul wasn't that guy I was. I swear to god,
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 1: I was nothing even close to that guy. Oh my god,
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 1: Ramone writes it. So he told us the things he
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 1: wants us to get A one more cut calls that
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 1: drag quicker. I listen, I have a new name on
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 1: the call, the call right now. I give him a chance.
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 1: Uh he says. Now about the team, I really don't
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 1: know what to think about where we are. I don't
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 1: feel strong about the players coaching chances next year. Objectively,
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 1: I hope Robert has told Bill that he has two
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 1: years to do something meaningful. But if this year is
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 1: just underwhelming, uh um. But if this year is just underwhelming,
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 1: he goes Alec Baldwin on him, put that coffee down,
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 1: coffees for closers only. It may sound unfair, but nostalgia
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 1: and mediocrity doesn't get us where we all want to be.
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 1: ABC right always be. That was from the Alec Baldwin
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 1: side in the last sketch where he pretended to be
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 1: the head elf and it's a good one. Look at
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 1: Glen Garry. Glenn Rose was Ross Ross What Ross There
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 1: was a great movie, great movie, great actors places. He
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 1: had a lot of good late eighties, early nineties. Um
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 1: I caught him forget it. And there was one thriller
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 1: he did that I where he was like a doctor.
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 1: I'm a yeah that was the name of Yah Yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 1: god complex. Yeah. He also had a really a disturbing
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 1: crime movie where he was like a criminal. It was
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 1: like Blue Moon or something like that, where like he
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 1: cuts off his own fingers, like yeah, he's it's really good.
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 1: I mean he could as like a dark evil guy
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 1: and it's And then those guys when they actually have
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 1: a sense of humor are really funny too. Yeah humor
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: canteen boy, you ever say that one with that? I'm
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 1: standing run that's a good one too. Morell knows all right, Um,
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 1: what was I gonna do? Oh? Take go back to
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 1: the phone, because is that the same Saturday Live that
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: he was the Pete Schwady that maybe? I mean he's
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 1: but he's like how many that nine times? Did he?
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: Hope it? I don't know. Unfilled yeah, sweaty balls, like
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: it's a problem men suffer from what um is that
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 1: Parlo's disease. That's a little person. That's the crooked the
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 1: bent Carrott. Yeah what wow? I thought you would just
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: call him be fat? No? No, what get okay? Now,
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 1: I don't I thought you spoke fred I do. That's true.
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 1: Dropped the ball was in Paul had a bent appendage? Yes,
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: I think he was. He was. It's called yeah the
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 1: dog leg left. The commercial they showed the ben you
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 1: gonna get a quick night this afternoon saw there. I'm
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 1: gonna say, you know, like I'm no prude, all right,
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 1: like I don't get offended, blah blah blah. But some
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 1: of these commercials now, especially like the channels of my
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 1: wife watches like we and Start or whatever, like they're
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 1: really really grad It's like, you know, um, erectile function. Yeah,
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 1: panties that don't leak and this and that, and it's
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 1: like it's really graphic, like we're twenty years ago, like
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 1: it wouldn't allow that stuff on. You know, it's a
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 1: different world we're living. So there's a lot of odd
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 1: commercials on. I will say that it's just two ed commercials. Well,
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 1: that's a graphic and she'll like it too, Thomas. Yeah,
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 1: and she's like eugenics, Yeah, a joke. We're leaving nothing
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 1: to the imagination. No, you know, well, I think it
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 1: always tells you something about yourself based on what ads
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: are being fed into the show, right, why you know
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 1: what they think? Right, you're like looking down speaking of Yeah,
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 1: I saw the yeah, speaking of I saw the finale
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 1: of Mozark. Oh yeah, and uh, your scoutter report, I
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 1: know not. I know you didn't see it because you
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 1: don't want to show you said that. You just a messenger.
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 1: You heard it was excellent. It was not excellent. Oh really, Oh,
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 1: sorry to hear that. No, it was it was a letter.
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 1: I thought. The last the last seven, you know, it
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 1: was like a half season. They did it. They dropped
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 1: the season four was dropped in two seven part episodes,
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 1: and the last the last seven. We're not good. The
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 1: trailer for a House of Dragons is out the prequel
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 1: to the Game of Thrones, and then it looks good.
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 1: If you can't make your trailer look good, forget about
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 1: the show. You know. Of course, it looked good, it
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 1: looked great. I enjoyed Game of Thrones. It was what
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 1: it was as far as the ending. But I don't.
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 1: I think I'm out. I don't. I don't know. I
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 1: come down. I think like I can't invest, and like
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 1: I hear that about the Targarians, that's that's a big
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 1: fred is him. I don't have time. I hear that,
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 1: though I hear that, it's it's a lot. Is is
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 1: Martin never gonna finish the books? He's I don't know,
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 1: didn't he not? He keeps like dripping things out like this,
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 1: what's really gonna be long? Hey man, flight attend I know,
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 1: what's the point. Well, you can do your previous look
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 1: too weird for me. I don't think I'm gonna watch
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 1: season two. I watched, like I think we saw the
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 1: first two episodes, but I haven't seen one in a while.
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 1: I'm just was curious if you were watching Flight Attendant.
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 1: I can't. I can't figure out if she's good looking
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: or not. Like sometimes she's like a two faces. The
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 1: answer is yes, Sometimes it's she looks good and sometimes
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 1: she does hundred percent. Can't get it, can't pin her down,
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 1: Not sure. Sometimes yes, sometimes I think she's pretty odd. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 1: I don't make me a creepy old man. I don't know.
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 1: She's just a famous actress. I think. Is that okay,
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 1: famous actress? It's okay, yeah, yeah. The fact that she's like,
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 1: you know, probably could go out with will. I think
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 1: she's older. Actually, no, she was on Big Banks. There's
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 1: actually I think she's in a like late thirties or forties,
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 1: late thirties. I thought you should look up Kayley quoko
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 1: A pretty sure she's my age. Oh, thirties. I don't
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 1: feel as creepy. I thought she was in her thirties.
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 1: Two guy, I can say that. I don't know. Wasn't
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: she on some other show too? Eight Simple Rules Dating?
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 1: Oh right, that's thirty six thirty six, it's not it's
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 1: not that creepy. Yeah. Uh. Let's go back to the phone.
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 1: It's in Connecticut. What's up on that swan? Actually it's
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 1: one man okay, banish for John Okay. I have two
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 1: quick questions for you guys. Uh, I want to hear
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 1: your thoughts. Uh. My first question is, do you guys
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 1: see a potential Marcus Jones being a Tyrek Hill type receiver,
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 1: maybe beat from up a little bit. What are your
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 1: thoughts on that? No, well, he'd have to change. They've
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 1: talked about pay I know he played offense. I'm not
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 1: I know that, but I think they I think they
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 1: drafted him as a corner. No, yeah, I think so
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 1: return around, I would be my guess. I think will
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 1: you'd be surprised if you see him take some rel
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 1: And that's why I don't dismiss it, right, I think
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 1: one I think one's question is legit. Yeah. Yeah, I
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 1: don't know if he's that quick though, Is he like
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 1: not Tyreek Hill quick? Is he? Oh? No? No? No,
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 1: But I mean I think there's maybe a world where
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 1: you're thinking about him covering Tyreek Hill or you know,
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 1: try and wad. Yeah, you know, well that was somebody
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 1: brought up the point with what's going on, particularly in Miami.
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 1: Do you think that that was their thing? Like, we
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 1: just need guys. Step one is to keep up with them,
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 1: all right, Then the technique is the second part. But
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 1: you know, we have at least have to be in
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 1: the vicinity of these technique. Won't matter if you're three
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 1: or four yards behind him, right, And that's I mean,
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 1: but I think the thing that stands out Marcus Jones,
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 1: not like quickness, really just fluidity and athleticism to match.
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: You know that that's the thing, that that's you know,
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 1: one particular play I watched with him where he just
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 1: like flipped his hips and was right with a guy
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 1: who who you know, suddenly changed direction. Um, not so
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 1: much with Jack Jones, but I think he's he's just feisty.
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 1: You know, he's a feisty player who seems to make
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 1: plays on the ball. So I think there is some
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 1: response there to what the Dolphins and other teams of
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 1: time anything else. Long since you're a new caller and
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 1: we had a new we had a call for new callers,
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 1: and then I know it's too soon to tell, but
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 1: the undrafted free agent Devin Davin halford Um, I don't
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 1: know if you guys seen any tape on him, but
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 1: he seemed like a heavy hitter and like lots of
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 1: room leader. So I was just curious. Have you guys
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 1: got a chance to see any of his tape? Who
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 1: is that Devin Halfer? Oh Halfer? Yeah, Yeah, I watched
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 1: a little of him. I mean, he was a captain.
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 1: I think he was the player of the year in
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 1: his in his conference. He's I think he's been there
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 1: a while. I think he's a little older. Um, not big.
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 1: I mean I was kind of curious if he might
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 1: have some outside it's corner potential, but he seemed okay,
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 1: it's tough with the level of competition, But yeah, I
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 1: dug a little bit on him. I think he's probably
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 1: just you know, kind of camp depth. I don't really
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 1: have a lot of intrigue with him. But thanks one Jude.
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 1: Can I ask you, I know that you wrote the
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 1: story on the undrafted guys. Is there a guy with
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 1: the profile of maybe like was a potential second or
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 1: third round pick who did something in college and went
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 1: undrafted as a result, or you know, like a jac Jackson. No, no, no,
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 1: because those are the guys I look for, um, you know,
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 1: for you want to be an impact, Like Malcolm Butler
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 1: went to West Alabama, he had some trouble in college,
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 1: you know, kind of you know, had some red flags again.
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 1: J C. Jackson obviously had the thing at Florida, ended
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 1: up at Maryland. These are guys, you know. Jackson in
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 1: particular was a guy who was thought of as a
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 1: Day two pick and then he goes undrafted. Yeah. I
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 1: think that for the most part, the undrafted free agents
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 1: aren't really like I know that this like this long streak,
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 1: most of them really aren't these great I mean, you
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 1: get offensive and defensive lineman once on David Andrews, terrific,
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 1: undrafted or you know, free agent, Um, that's that's what
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 1: you're looking for. But in terms of like impact skill guys,
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 1: and if there's not a situation like that, I'd be no. No.
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 1: I think the only guy that maybe then intrigued me
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 1: a tiny bit was was DeMarcus Mitchell from Purdue, who
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 1: played across from karloftis so um, you know, and we said, like, man,
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 1: why didn't they add an edge? And so finally getting
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 1: a chance, he worked out for the Patriots. They came
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 1: to his pro day. Um. You know, he was literally
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 1: quoted as saying, you know, Patriots told me I'm an
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 1: outside linebacker in their system. Um. But you know, I
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 1: like the idea of him. Once I started watching him,
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 1: he didn't really seem like a dynamic, powerful type athlete.
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 1: He seemed like a fine college player. Um. You know,
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 1: I know some of the other guys had injury issues,
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 1: like the Lebryan Ray from Alabama. You know, Alabama a
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 1: great pedigree, But um, just couldn't couldn't stay on the field,
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 1: couldn't start stringing it together. So uh and Russy at
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 1: the center, he's interesting. He's just small, he's like six
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 1: feet tall, but he had like thirty eight reps or
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 1: something crazy on the bench. So yeah, exactly, exactly right,
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 1: exactly so uh not not a ton of intrigue. I
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 1: did bring up Brendon school or just as like a
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 1: special teams type guy who played offense and defense and
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 1: has some good size and has some good athleticism. But
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 1: all the guys Paul going through them, they're all listed
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 1: in like either one of the last couple profiles or
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 1: best of the rest undrafted groups. Right, Okay, let's go
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 1: to Adam and Idaho. What's up Adam, It says Aaron, Hey,
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 1: that's my fault that this time it was my fault.
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 1: I'm just a walk with my daughter and beautiful Idaho yesterday,
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 1: North or South Idaho, because I'm familiar with both Eastern
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 1: Eastern Okay, so by the Washington Hole Okay, yeah, very nice,
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah towards that way. Um, I just had two questions.
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 1: I was gonna sat, look, yeah, what do you guys think, Um,
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 1: they'll think maybe a little gunshot from taking the sexually
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 1: and obvious big name pick. And that's why maybe he
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 1: has his own draft board. He doesn't even look at
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 1: anything else or what do you think is going on there?
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean last year has seemed pretty
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 1: on point for where I mean Mac at fifteen, Barmore
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 1: kind of fell a little bit. They went up, I
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 1: mean the top fifteen, you know, so you know, you
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 1: don't really get a chance at those. Yeah, yeah, I mean,
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 1: who knows what really goes through Bill's mind when you
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 1: know he's saying this is the guy. It's I'd love
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 1: to know, you know, what really gets them going, you know.
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 1: I mean I think Paul's point earlier about just the character,
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 1: the personality, the durability, you know, those and again to
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 1: bring it back to that like growing up at Navy
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 1: and one of these Navy guys who will run into
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 1: a wall for you in or you know, just really
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 1: really good people and those are always the ones that
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 1: that stand out. But I think this year there was
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 1: more on the more on the measurable end of the things,
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 1: more on the speed numbers in the you know, it's
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 1: almost like if I have two comparable guys at comparable talent.
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 1: One guys at a small school, one guy's at Ohio State.
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 1: If I draft a guy at a small school, he'll
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 1: be more beholden to me and come in with more
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 1: of a chip on his shoulder and you know, prove
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 1: it type of guy. Then, you know, I don't know.
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I've heard of that a lot, do you.
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 1: You don't really believe that. I have no idea. I
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 1: don't believe it. I mean, I've heard that. I've heard that.
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 1: I've heard him. People say that a lot, that they
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 1: want guys that they think it'll be easier to sign
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 1: them on their second contract. Oh well, you know, they'll
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 1: they'll be beholden to them, they'll be more loyal, Like
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 1: I really like, don't think this even less than one
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 1: percent chance. I would hope that they're not looking that
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 1: far ahead to the second contract and I'm worried about
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 1: what he does. They're not looking at anything other than
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 1: finding good players that can help your team. Yeah, thanks, Aaron. Uh,
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 1: let's go to Henry and Leeds. What's up? Henry? Who leads? Hi? Guys?
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 1: Just just quick Eric? Yeah, getting a punking? You get wait?
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 1: Hold on now? Yeah, leads leads better stay in the
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 1: Premier League. I don't know, manp Socer. I thought it
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 1: was literally like, oh, he's gonna go into Eric right now.
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 1: This is gonna guys are on the brink. Fine, um,
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 1: quick question, I'll take off line. Um. Still the same
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 1: is pretty much everyone else the dropped the thing very defloyed.
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 1: Don't mind some of the players, don't any of the pick.
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 1: My question is, how do we think Mac feels about
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 1: all this when he was watching it Thursday night and
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 1: we're you know, some good players lost on the board.
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 1: Was he excited when they took a guard? Same with
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 1: a receiver? Thought, and yeah, he was excited about him.
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 1: I'll find you guys, all right, thanks Henry. I found Mac.
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 1: I got a guard, and I got a speedy receiver.
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 1: Let's go, and you got let's go. And I got
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 1: all those guys from last and throw Parker run in
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 1: the mix too. And you know if I backs and
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 1: let's go, I got a much easier time looking at
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 1: the offense and saying, you know, maybe they can they
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 1: can pull something out out of this. Now, it's not
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 1: like a guarantee. There's isn't you know, a proven one
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 1: A receiver or running back on the team. But I
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 1: think they got a lot of really good guys, and
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 1: I think based on how the competition goes this summer
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 1: that you know, there really could be something there. You
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 1: want to talk about the defensive side of the ball,
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 1: that's a little bit more of a you know, of
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 1: a stretch, trying to see how that that's going to
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 1: come together. But I think Mac has to be happy
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 1: they've given them coming off last season. Two things. On
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 1: the offense, are they gonna be harder to defend? Because
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 1: I've heard that I heard that too much. They're easy
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 1: to defend. I've never heard that before of a Patriots offense.
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 1: That that startled me. So are they gonna be a
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 1: little bit more difficult to defend? And on defense? Can
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 1: they force a punt? That's if here's that line, But
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 1: that's just a little bit disrespect. That's how the season ended.
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 1: So we gotta we gotta move on from there. But
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 1: I'll be encouraged to see everybody out there in a
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 1: few weeks. If he's got all, if he's got born
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 1: in Agalore and Henry and Smith and the new guys
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 1: and everybody is here and they're all working together. Then
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 1: you know, it's just it's a new kind of dynamic.
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 1: You're here. Everybody's killing the Patriots they had the worst draft.
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 1: The Jets surpassed them. They didn't force a punt. I mean,
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 1: it's it's them against the world this season, you know.
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 1: And on offense, if you look at it, they've got
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 1: pieces they do. They've got they got to play, they
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 1: got to execute, and Mac needs to take a step
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 1: and be able to deal with the ups and the
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 1: downs and really take control of the offense and you know,
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 1: spread it around. But I think they've they've got the
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 1: elements to be a good offense that can move the ball.
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 1: I don't know how good they mean, even offensive line.
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 1: If Trent Brown is healthy, you've got your right tackle.
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 1: If when is healthy, you got a left tackle. You've
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 1: got good out of there. Yeah, I think they're good.
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 1: I think they're good. You've got David Andrews, who's solid
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 1: in the middle. You've got this your first round pick,
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 1: a guard you know, maybe, I don't know, and when
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 1: you maybe yeah, yeah, And so on offense, you've got
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 1: the elements to have a good offense. I'm less worried
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 1: about the like in last years you know, Paul, last
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 1: year's like when everyone was saying defense, I would say, no,
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 1: I'm worried about the offense. I'm now I'm switching. Yeah,
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 1: I'm back to now worrying about the defense. I'm still
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 1: worried equally about both. I agree with everything you're saying
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 1: about the defense, but I just think I have my concern.
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 1: I think the difference, too, though, is that we're used
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 1: to seeing is this going to be a great offense?
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 1: That was the bar. Well, we want to get back.
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 1: You certainly want to get back to that. But I
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 1: think you know, when you say good, it has to
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 1: be good. It's good. You know, it's not like, Wow,
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 1: this is going to be an all time offense. Like
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to tell you that. But I think
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 1: that they can be better than they were last year.
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 1: I think they had the pieces to be better than
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 1: last year. They've you know, brought in Parkers, a legitimate
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 1: NFL receiver. Thornton's got some speed, You've got a couple
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 1: of running backs to pad the depth when you got
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 1: you know, I mean during that like losing streak, you're
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 1: missing a couple of the running backs. You know, you
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 1: had Stevenson in you had Harrison. You kind of were
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 1: rotating those guys, so you got some more depth there.
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 1: You have Brandon Bolden, who God bless him, did a
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 1: great job. But now I know we're not going to
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 1: have a fullback, you know, but I mean I'd be
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 1: able to get over that. The biggest thing to me
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 1: for improvement is that you have to hope the guys
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 1: that came in last year are better this year. Yes,
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 1: because I think there's more than likely that Cole strangers
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 1: You're the only guy that's going to play on offense
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 1: that you didn't have last year. I don't think the
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 1: running backs will play much. I don't think Thornton will
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 1: play much as rookies. So you have to hope that
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 1: Henry and Smith are better. You have to hope that
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 1: born in Agalo are better, and you have to hope
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 1: that Mac is better. Yea. And Parker gives you something
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 1: a Parker and strange. Yes, Parker. I forgot about Parker.
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 1: Ye I'm not as hiring him as others, but he
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 1: will play ye unless something you know, because listen, I'm
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 1: not healthy. Yeah, but I think the depths a part
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 1: of it too. And last year I think that you know,
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 1: the guys you named off that they had when they
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 1: didn't have one of them or you know, it's a
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 1: big drop off. I think they've got some depth, some
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 1: pieces to work with that, you know, maybe give you
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 1: something new, they get a chance. They less depth on
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 1: the offensive line, proven yeah, I mean they lost two
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 1: starters in the offensive line, so you have less depth
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 1: than you had last year. Yaha, yep. Yeah, I mean
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 1: if Trent Brown goes down, you're in trouble just like
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 1: you were last year. You know. Yeah, I mean, I
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 1: I'm just talking about the guys that they have. I'm
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 1: not assuming that guys are going to get hurt. Yeah,
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 1: I think that your your offensive line isn't as good
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 1: as it was last year, even if no one gets hurt,
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 1: like you're you're replacing two starters with one guy in
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 1: the draft. No, I know, but I think Cole Strange
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 1: is going to be better than Ted Carris. Okay, even
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 1: if he is a when you wasn't better than Ted
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 1: Carres and now he's got to start, Yeah, and cars
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 1: when you wasn't better than Shaq Mason is what you
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 1: want to say. He wasn't better than Carris either, or
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 1: he would have played over him. Yeah, Carris played pretty
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 1: well when he came into No Listen, I love me
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 1: Ted Carris, but cole Strange better be better better. I'm
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 1: willing to give you that. Yeah. I don't know that
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 1: that will be the case. I don't know that I'm
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 1: but I'm willing to give you that. Yeah, but they're
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 1: not as good as they were. They lost two guys
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 1: that played over A when you Ye, so I can't
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 1: just pencil lawhen you when it's being better than that. Well,
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 1: he got a chance to play and lost the job. Yeah,
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 1: but sometimes they like Eric, We've talked about it before.
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 1: Sometimes they like to keep things as consistent as possible
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 1: rather than move guys around. Right, make a few changes, yeah,
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 1: I think, which to me is more glaring that they
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 1: took a when You out because they do like that.
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 1: They liked the cohesion, but they didn't like the way
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 1: he was playing, so they made a change. Yeah. I
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 1: want to see him when you a right guard too,
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 1: that's his natural position, that's where he played in college. Yeah,
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 1: that's part of the equation too, of right, you know,
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 1: is he a better could be a position? I will
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 1: just tell I'm gonna make this prediction, right, now the
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 1: answer to that will be yes, he will be better
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 1: than Shack. Oh oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I know what
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 1: you get. Jeff's in Texas. What's up, Jeff? Yeah, Hi guys,
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 1: Uh hey, I want to talk about the Uh well,
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 1: first of all, I'd like to show it today. It's
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 1: it's definitely more positive. Kind of felt like Tuesday was
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 1: was kind of a bummer, I mean, less positive, like
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 1: after the weekend, you know, we're kind of thinking over
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 1: the picks and then you know, listening and end just
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 1: be hearing, you know, not expecting guys to sugarcoat anything,
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 1: and they think it's just kind of maybe it was
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 1: more of a reality check, you know, just a lot
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 1: of question marks. Right well, listen, I, like I said,
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 1: I they didn't do what I wanted him to do.
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna, you know, say, now, oh that's great,
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 1: but I don't I'm not saying it was a subpart
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 1: of draft either, because I don't know, but they I
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 1: know they didn't do what I wanted. Yeah, And I mean, Jeff,
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 1: I hope you think I hope you want us to
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 1: be honest. I hope you don't want us to just
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 1: be you know, Pollyanna all the time like everything's great,
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 1: every nothing to see here. You know, if there are
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 1: days when we have to be a little pessimistic, then
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 1: so be it. You know, I hope that's how you feel. Yeah,
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 1: And I mean, and before I get to my point,
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 1: and then like when when I heard Paul say he
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 1: despied the draft, I was like, oh my god, that's
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 1: a good line. Anyway, Um, the point I want to
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 1: get to and you guys already talked about this a
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 1: little bit during the show today that you didn't really
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 1: talk about on Tuesday, But I want to talk about Craft. Um.
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 1: So when Craft came out at the owners meeting and said,
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 1: you know, um that you know, we're not happy. We
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 1: haven't won a playoff game in three years. You know,
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 1: we're not happy, and we have to do better in
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 1: the draft. We have to build through the draft. So
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 1: that was like exclamation point that you know, we have
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 1: to have a great draft. And then you know, so
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 1: my question is like, you know, what, what do you
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 1: think Craft thinks? I mean? And do you think he
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 1: looks around to see what some of the analysts are
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 1: saying I mean, or did he just go by you
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 1: know what Craft and everybody what Belichick and and grow
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 1: tell them. I mean I think, yeah, I think you
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 1: listen to all of it. I think he hears everything.
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 1: How can you not if you want, I mean just
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 1: on L Network or ESPN any day. I mean, don't
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 1: you think he's disappointed or a little upset maybe with
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 1: I think he has a lot of faith in Belichick
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 1: and he leaves the football to Belichick. But yes, I
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 1: think he's He's watching. We're all frustrated. He's watching. It's
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 1: keeping he's keeping track. He's a fan and a businessman, correct,
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 1: you know. I mean, I don't know how any Patriot
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 1: fan can't at least be a little bit frustrated. How
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 1: the last you know, few years have gone, and I
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 1: think there's an element of understanding that Brady left and
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 1: it wasn't going to immediately be perfect, But expectations are high.
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 1: People love sports here. They want to win. They're they're
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 1: fired up. They don't want this to just all of
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 1: a sudden fall in this. I think I'm more I
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 1: seem to be more patient than most of the fans
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 1: on this show. You know, like I me too, because
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 1: I have fun with the process a team, right, you
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 1: you're having fun? Yeah? This is fun for dues. All right, thanks,
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 1: but everything is fun for Duce. Yeah. I just want
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 1: to be as happy as he was in life, not
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 1: for one day, not filling up one of those all right,
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 1: Well you're only coming from Sharon. I know nothing. You
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 1: could walk here, Yeah, you can ride your bike. I
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 1: was starting to walk down the road and making a
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 1: joke about going in to fill up, you know, to
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 1: pay inside, you know. But yeah, right, I took the offer.
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 1: Rampai that Yeah, using a lot of highway metaphors there,
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 1: I'm just driving. All right. That's gonna be it for
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 1: this edition of Patriots. I'm sheltered. Um. I hope everyone
• 1:59:21
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