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Letao Wang – Legends, Heroes, and Villains Oracle · Destination Unlimited with Victor Fuhrman

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  Speaker 1: My name is Victor Furman. Some call me the Voice.
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  Speaker 1: I've always been fascinated with human nature, spirituality, science and
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  Speaker 1: the crossroads at which they meet. Join me now and
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  Speaker 1: we will explore these topics and so much more with
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  Speaker 1: fascinating guests, authors and experts who will guide us to
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  Speaker 1: destination unlimited. On the advent of the lunar Year of
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  Speaker 1: the Fire Horse, I welcome back Lettau Wang to Destination unlimited.
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  Speaker 1: Lattao is a professional astrologist, Taro specialist and the founder
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  Speaker 1: and spiritual counselor of The Healing Kingdom. He's been providing astrology,
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  Speaker 1: Taro and numerology readings for clients both locally in Hong
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  Speaker 1: Kong and overseas since twenty fifteen. He's the acclaimed author
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  Speaker 1: of the COVR Award winner Oracle of the Mystic Heroes
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  Speaker 1: and the Karta Award winner for the Oracle of the
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  Speaker 1: Celestial Deities. His website is the Healing Kingdom dot com
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  Speaker 1: and he joins me this week to share his amazing
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  Speaker 1: path and new intuitive Oracle card deck, Legend Heroes and
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  Speaker 1: Villain's Oracle, a thirty six card deck and guidebook. Please
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  Speaker 1: join me in welcoming back to Destination Unlimited. Lttal Wang,
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back, latal.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me. Victor. Is awesome
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  Speaker 2: to be.
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  Speaker 1: Here, awesome that you're joining us. It's now nine o'clock
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  Speaker 1: in the morning in Hong Kong, and it's eight o'clock
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  Speaker 1: here in New York. So thank you for getting.
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  Speaker 2: Up to do this with us. I really appreciate it,
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  Speaker 2: of course. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Likewise, the last time I interviewed you was in twenty
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  Speaker 1: twenty four and for those meeting you for the first time,
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  Speaker 1: please share with us your early path and understanding of
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  Speaker 1: spirit and nature.
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  Speaker 2: Right, so, my spiritual paths started about let me think
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  Speaker 2: back in two thousand fourteen, I think, so roughly to
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  Speaker 2: twelve years ago. Before that, I was, you know, living
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  Speaker 2: a very ordinary you know, businessman live. I was working
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  Speaker 2: in finance and banking. But around the age of I
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  Speaker 2: would say twenty nine, which is actually my first Saturn
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  Speaker 2: re term, I had my own spiritual awakening about what
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  Speaker 2: my purpose is and you know, who I really was,
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  Speaker 2: and that's how I reconnected a lot of the dots
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  Speaker 2: in the past. Right when I met my first spiritual teacher,
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  Speaker 2: my first astrology teacher before that, which kind of like
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  Speaker 2: you know, planted a seat right in my life. And
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  Speaker 2: even though at that time I was not a very
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  Speaker 2: much aware of what that meant. I did study astrology
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  Speaker 2: and I did study mythology within, but in my mind
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  Speaker 2: it was always just a hobby. But around my first
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  Speaker 2: stur of return, and that's when I realized that there's
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  Speaker 2: a deeper purpose that I needed to pursue. And that's how,
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  Speaker 2: you know, in my spiritual career I really started. And
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  Speaker 2: of course, you know, along the way, I furthered my
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  Speaker 2: education in counseling, in psychology as well as astrology. And uh, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: it's been a twelve years and you know, speaking of
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  Speaker 2: our first interview back in two thousand, I think that
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  Speaker 2: was two years of two than twenty four, right, you mentioned, right,
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  Speaker 2: and that's the time when I released my two oracle decks,
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  Speaker 2: Oracle of the Midi Heroes and Oracle of the Celestial Deities.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely, we're gonna be talking about those a little bit later,
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  Speaker 1: but just out of curiosity, what were the circumstances that
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  Speaker 1: opened you to this? What happened, what changed in your
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  Speaker 1: life that made you embrace this.
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  Speaker 2: It's kind of interesting, right when people talk about you know,
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  Speaker 2: awakening or enlightenment. People came to think of an angel,
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  Speaker 2: you know, above you, and you know, and you're just
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  Speaker 2: being protecting a lot, and then you have your awakening,
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  Speaker 2: which is totally not true for me, because for about
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  Speaker 2: five years, four or five years, well, I was working
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  Speaker 2: as a you know, a banker. I was really suffering
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  Speaker 2: and I was walking the path that it's a so
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  Speaker 2: called you know, the conventional paths that you're supposed to live,
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  Speaker 2: you know, because you have expectations from the parents, you
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  Speaker 2: have expectations from your teachers, you have expectations from the
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  Speaker 2: society how you should live your life based on your past.
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  Speaker 2: And so because I was you know, my parents when
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  Speaker 2: I was eighteen, my parents sent me overseas to study
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  Speaker 2: and they supported me a lot along this my educational journey.
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  Speaker 2: And so there's always a part of me feeling that
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  Speaker 2: I needed to give back and I have to you know,
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  Speaker 2: do the right thing, the so called the right thing
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  Speaker 2: right to either reciprocate or just to answer, you know,
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  Speaker 2: my parents' expectations. And know though because you know, I'm
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  Speaker 2: I'm of Chinese descent, my parents are very very traditional
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  Speaker 2: Chinese and so you know, for for them working in
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  Speaker 2: an investment bank, you know, wearing a suit every day,
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  Speaker 2: and you look sharp, you look intelligent, and you know
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  Speaker 2: you deal with I don't know, you know, those amazing
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  Speaker 2: people right in the society CEO CFOs in other bankers
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  Speaker 2: are supposed to be glamorous to them. But I was
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  Speaker 2: literally suffering during that time, and to the point that
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  Speaker 2: I went into a little bit kind of like a
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  Speaker 2: depression because I just didn't really know why I'm waking
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  Speaker 2: up every day. You know, I wake up every day,
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  Speaker 2: I go to work and I do my thing. I
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  Speaker 2: come back home and I eat, I leave in the
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  Speaker 2: next say, I'm repeating they sent pattern, but that's not me.
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  Speaker 2: And that's the time when I still remember because at
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  Speaker 2: my twenty nine years old birthday, I was with my
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  Speaker 2: best friend celebrating and I burst into tears and he said,
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  Speaker 2: what's wrong, and I said, I don't know why I'm celebrating,
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  Speaker 2: like there's absolutely nothing to celebrate about my life. And
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  Speaker 2: that's also the same year when I suddenly recalled my
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  Speaker 2: first astrology teacher when I lived in Sydney, Australia back
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  Speaker 2: I think that was back when I was twenty five
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  Speaker 2: years old, so four or five years before that, I
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  Speaker 2: suddenly remembered him, and I suddenly remembered the excitement, the
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  Speaker 2: sense of I don't know, it's just this sense of
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  Speaker 2: happiness and joy that I felt when I was studying
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  Speaker 2: with him, even though at that time it never clicked,
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  Speaker 2: you know, I always thought that, oh, it's just a hobby, right.
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  Speaker 2: I liked doing that. I like to learn in the
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  Speaker 2: myth of stories, and I like to talk about those
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  Speaker 2: things with him. And that's how the awakening suddenly happened.
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  Speaker 2: And just one day I realized that this is it,
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  Speaker 2: like I visited a path that I'm supposed to walk.
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  Speaker 1: Please share with us your perceptions about astrology and metaphysical studies.
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  Speaker 1: Why do you believe these areas might spark controversy for
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  Speaker 1: some people yet also captivate a significant number of enthusiasts.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's very interesting because I literally just I
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  Speaker 2: had a very interesting encountering with someone when I was
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  Speaker 2: traveling literally last months in the Thailand. I was at
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  Speaker 2: this dinner thing, right, and of course a lot of
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  Speaker 2: people you meet them for the first time, and I
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  Speaker 2: was talking to someone who's very interesting in astrology, and
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  Speaker 2: we're having this amazing conversation that suddenly suddenly a stranger
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  Speaker 2: another lady cut into our conversation and she said, oh,
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  Speaker 2: by the way, just let you know. I don't get
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  Speaker 2: it at all. I think astrology is all it's all,
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  Speaker 2: you know, like just boring stuff, right, It's all made up,
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  Speaker 2: and I don't think they make any sense. I don't
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  Speaker 2: think people should believe in them. And I look, I
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  Speaker 2: just looked at her. I said, oh, man, I know
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  Speaker 2: what you do. And she said, well, just let you know.
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  Speaker 2: I'm a scientist, and so you know, I understand that
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  Speaker 2: sometimes in life we have people who, you know, who
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  Speaker 2: don't believe in what we do, or who just don't
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  Speaker 2: believe in what is actually happening out there. I think
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  Speaker 2: when it comes to skepticism, the most important thing about
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  Speaker 2: astrology is that you have to look at history, because
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  Speaker 2: astrology is about the study of history. A lot of
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  Speaker 2: people believe that it's about the future. Yes, you can
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  Speaker 2: use astrology to predict the future, but more importantly it's
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  Speaker 2: about learning history. And so throughout the thousands of years,
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  Speaker 2: I think as human beings, we have found certain patterns uncertain.
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  Speaker 2: How do we say this regularity right between the movement
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  Speaker 2: and the progression of our planets in the sky versus
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  Speaker 2: what is actually happening on the Earth in our human society.
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  Speaker 2: You know, when certain planets are moving into certain angles
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  Speaker 2: or aspect with another planet, or when certain important planets
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  Speaker 2: are coming to a conjunction, and we're seeing, for example,
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  Speaker 2: the change of government, we're seeing the death of a king,
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  Speaker 2: and we're seeing, uh, you know, the potential chaos in
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  Speaker 2: the society and things like that. And it's the same
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  Speaker 2: as in the early days, you know, from the Babylonian
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  Speaker 2: time and the Sumerian time, when we use austrology to
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  Speaker 2: predict harvest, right, I mean, in the early days, human
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  Speaker 2: being would look at the sky and understand when is
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  Speaker 2: the right time to plant seeds, when is the right
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  Speaker 2: time to a harvest, and when is potential flooding happening,
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  Speaker 2: and when the waves would be uh, the the tide
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  Speaker 2: will be high, which is based on the the you know,
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  Speaker 2: the movement of the moon, the lunar cycle. And so
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  Speaker 2: at the end of the day, I do think that
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  Speaker 2: astrology is not really about okay, you know, the stars
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  Speaker 2: control us, where we control the star. At the end
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  Speaker 2: of the day, it's about this beautiful synchronicity that we're
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  Speaker 2: seeing between us with our nature and the planet in
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  Speaker 2: the sky. Our universe is a part of our nature.
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  Speaker 2: It's just we can't see them very very clearly. But
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  Speaker 2: you see the trees, and you see the butterflies flying,
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  Speaker 2: you see the river flowing, and those are all part
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  Speaker 2: of our nature. And that's why when we are seeing certain,
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  Speaker 2: for example, animals their behaviors, we realize, Okay, when, for example,
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  Speaker 2: when the dragonflies are flying very low, probably it's gonna
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  Speaker 2: ring later. Things like that. But if you want to
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  Speaker 2: find certain I don't know the so called the scientific
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  Speaker 2: proof in noe of them. Maybe at this moment we
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  Speaker 2: haven't really found out everything life. Thousands of years ago,
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  Speaker 2: we also did not know why, you know, certain things
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  Speaker 2: were happening, and we also had a lot of you know,
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  Speaker 2: misconceptions about you know, for example, we thought we the
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  Speaker 2: sun goes around us. But now with telescope and everything,
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  Speaker 2: all the scientific calculations, we understand it's the other way around.
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  Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, what we observe
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  Speaker 2: from our perspective will always make sense to us.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely. I don't know if I shared this with you
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  Speaker 1: the last time we spoke, but I spent forty six
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  Speaker 1: years in industrial technology in the welding equipment business. But
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  Speaker 1: I also had this spiritual awakening in my late thirties
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  Speaker 1: and you had mentioned about Saturn returns. Do a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people have that awakening to something that has been
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  Speaker 1: misplaced or put aside in their life to pursue a career.
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  Speaker 2: Hundred percent? I think Saturn returns one of the most
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  Speaker 2: important timing in our lives. I mean to be honest, right,
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  Speaker 2: because saturare is a movement. I think you know alreadya
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  Speaker 2: it's very slow, it's pretty much you know, every twenty
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  Speaker 2: eight to thirty years we have our Saturn return. So
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  Speaker 2: as human being, let's say, if we can live until
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  Speaker 2: ninety years old the most, no, I mean the most
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  Speaker 2: Saturday there you can have it three times the most
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  Speaker 2: people only have two, right, And that's just you know
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  Speaker 2: what it is because of the limitation of our lifespan.
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  Speaker 2: And so Saturn Raydia always sort of like brings sort
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  Speaker 2: of some kind of awakening we're understanding, and I mean
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  Speaker 2: that's at the very spiritual level. It's the awareness. But
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  Speaker 2: then what Satura also does for us is it will
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  Speaker 2: prompt us into action to restructure what we have built.
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes we need to let whatever you know hasn't worked
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  Speaker 2: out for us collapse, and that's so that we can
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  Speaker 2: rebuild things. It's a little bit like you know, the
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  Speaker 2: tower card in perild and of course usually when we
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  Speaker 2: look at the tower energy is disasterous, but only in hindsight,
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  Speaker 2: I think we understand that that was so necessary. And
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  Speaker 2: so that's why I always say to my clients, Sata
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  Speaker 2: is not an evil planet. Right to Saturn as evil
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  Speaker 2: or at something that is scary. It's a stoic and
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  Speaker 2: stern teacher that you know. It's kind of like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: knocking on our forehead and seeing that wake up, right.
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  Speaker 2: You can't keep leaving in your dilution. You have to
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  Speaker 2: wake up and look at your life and understand that
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  Speaker 2: what he's real, and he's kind of ushering us right
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  Speaker 2: towards the right past, even though sometimes it can be
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  Speaker 2: a little bit harsh.
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  Speaker 1: You know. It's interesting. I was able to maintain a
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  Speaker 1: balance in my life both of the day job per
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  Speaker 1: se and the spiritual work, the spiritual pursuit. And about
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  Speaker 1: twenty five years ago a friend of mine, a business associate, said,
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  Speaker 1: how do you balance the fact that you have this
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  Speaker 1: day job in industrial technology and the spiritual work that
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  Speaker 1: you do, and we're not even thinking about it. I said,
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  Speaker 1: the day job pays my salary. I said, the spiritual
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  Speaker 1: work pays my solary. This word solary came out of me.
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  Speaker 1: And so that's what it's been about for me. It's
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  Speaker 1: been my solary. It's been the compensation of spirit and
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  Speaker 1: I've really feel blessed that I've had both of those careers.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's I mean, to be honest, I think
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  Speaker 2: a lot of us, especially you know, with this transition, right,
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  Speaker 2: I mean from a let's see, a corporate job, like
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  Speaker 2: for you, you know, it's balancing these two very very
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  Speaker 2: different careers on the opposite spectrum, right, But also for me,
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  Speaker 2: you know, at the very beginning it's the same to
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  Speaker 2: transition from being a banker in the finance field towards
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  Speaker 2: to be a spiritual counselor. It was a huge transition,
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  Speaker 2: not just for me, but also you know, I also
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  Speaker 2: have to consider whether it will be accepted by my
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  Speaker 2: family because because sometimes again you know, in our culture,
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  Speaker 2: it's not about you know, what I want to do,
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  Speaker 2: So it's about but would this be okay with my parents?
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  Speaker 2: It wouldn't be okay with the people who had all
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  Speaker 2: these expectations right towards me, you know, because they, for example,
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  Speaker 2: my father paid for the first year of my tuition.
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  Speaker 2: You know, all these kind of guilt would also come in,
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  Speaker 2: and I think at the end of the day, when
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  Speaker 2: I would you know, when I'm doing counseling with the people.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of the difficulties people have, A part of
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  Speaker 2: them is about bringing confidence in themselves. But the other
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  Speaker 2: part is they're so guilty towards someone else where their
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  Speaker 2: families were maybe a partner, and that's why they can't
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  Speaker 2: really make the transition. Maybe that's the most difficult thing
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  Speaker 2: I think for a lot of people.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, please tell us about your founding of the Healing Kingdom.
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  Speaker 1: What inspired this and what do you offer those who
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  Speaker 1: were called to you?
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  Speaker 2: Oh so the Human Kingdom was officially founded back in
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  Speaker 2: two thousand, end of twenty fourteen, naturally, so that's when
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  Speaker 2: when I first started, you know, doing readings and spiritual
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  Speaker 2: counseling as a professional. There's not much, to be honest,
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  Speaker 2: profound stories about it. But one of the things on
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  Speaker 2: my birth chart is that when I was born at
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  Speaker 2: my Norse node in conjunction with my natal Chiron and
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  Speaker 2: Cairong in Greek mythology is a wounded healer. He was
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  Speaker 2: a very wise centaur, and he was a teacher of Hercules.
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  Speaker 2: He was a teacher of Thetheus, he was a teacher
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  Speaker 2: of Jason, you know, all these amazing Greek heroes. And
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  Speaker 2: because I resonated myself so much with Chiron's energy, and
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  Speaker 2: so I wanted to do reading, not just as a
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  Speaker 2: purely predicted, predictive art, but I want to bring a
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  Speaker 2: sense of therapeutic value and the heating value to my clients.
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  Speaker 2: And that's why so I, you know, I wanted to
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  Speaker 2: name my business heating something and in one dream, right
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  Speaker 2: then they added the dream because I also really appreciate
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  Speaker 2: one of the Greek mythology characters of whose name is Orpheus. Naturally,
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  Speaker 2: in my Oracle Oracle of the Mythic Heroes, I wrote
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  Speaker 2: about him in the chapter dedicated to the doldic sign
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  Speaker 2: cancer and in a dream. I don't know why about Orpheus,
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  Speaker 2: And in my dream he was wearing a golden crown.
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  Speaker 2: It's very funny, and so that's how I got in
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  Speaker 2: from inspiration. But I think, to me, I mean Orpheus
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  Speaker 2: was a massive healer. He was an artist, he was
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  Speaker 2: a musician, but at the end of the day, he
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  Speaker 2: was also a king for his people because he dedicated
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  Speaker 2: his all his talents. Right, he's no house to heal
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  Speaker 2: the people around him. And I was thinking, well, this
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  Speaker 2: is a perfect thing that I can use rights for
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  Speaker 2: the name of my business, and so that's how I
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  Speaker 2: named my practice the Healing Kingdom, and a lot of
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  Speaker 2: people liked it.
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  Speaker 1: Actually, yeah, absolutely, it's a wonderful, wonderful title. As a
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  Speaker 1: spiritual counselor and professional astrologist, you've been helping clients access
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  Speaker 1: their intuition and individual power for several years. How do
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  Speaker 1: tarot and oracle readings support this work?
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  Speaker 2: So astrology to me, really it's like a foundation app
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  Speaker 2: for my clients. It's a little bit like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: we have something to study, we have something to use
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  Speaker 2: as a base for our counseling session. Because someone's natal
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  Speaker 2: charge will review certain psychological patterns and certain archetypes actually
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  Speaker 2: in them. But because we go through life, you know,
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  Speaker 2: in different stages and different phases, terrold and cards would
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  Speaker 2: be able to give me a more precise, uh indication
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  Speaker 2: about what the client is going through. And so what
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  Speaker 2: really is happening in the session is we're using the astrology,
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  Speaker 2: you know, to tell me something about this person's life,
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  Speaker 2: lifetime patterns where they were true they brought from their
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  Speaker 2: previous life into this lifetime right, which we can you know,
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  Speaker 2: look at their old habits, their tendencies, right, the so
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  Speaker 2: called the comfort zone right that they tend to be in.
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  Speaker 2: And then with the tarrot and the cards reading, we're
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  Speaker 2: really looking at the specific energy that they are carrying
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  Speaker 2: or the certain influence that they were receiving at the time,
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  Speaker 2: which will give us a very holistic picture of the clients.
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  Speaker 1: What makes your oracle cards stand out is their meditator.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I have to redo that. I apologize. Hold, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: what makes your oracle cards stand out is their innovative
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  Speaker 1: blend of astrology, mythology, and relevance to contemporary life and counseling.
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  Speaker 1: How did you achieve this blend.
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  Speaker 2: In one word, creativity the you know, not very precise answer. Actually,
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: so I always liked writing and reading mythic stories. Actually,
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: even though in the early days I never really connected
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: this with our human psychology. Actually, the first book that
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: I actually officially published was when I was eighteen years old.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: We're talking about, you know, kind of like twenty five
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: something years ago. When I lived in China. I was
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: still a high school student, and that's when I started
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: writing myth writing fantasies. And my first book was published
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: back in two thousand and two, during my last year
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: in high school. And that was a sort of like
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: a fantasy novel. Yeah, it's a little bit like a
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: bit bit like Harry Potter, but with a Chinese theme,
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean. And actually I was very
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: lucky at that time. My writing was picked up by
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: a good publisher in China, and so they published it
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: back in twenty twenty two. Of course, everything was reading
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: in Chinese because at that time my English was not
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: that good. And so, you know, story writing and storytelling
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: they have always been part of my life. But when
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: I studied astrology, my first astrology teacher whom I met
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: in Sydney, you know, which I mentioned earlier, helped me
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: to connect stories with human psychology. You don't we're studying astrology.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: My theater would always ask me to read the original
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: story in Iliod and Odyssey, you know, in those ancient stories,
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: and he will say, now you have read the stories about,
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: for example, Cronus or Saturn. Right now, coming back to astrology,
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: when we're analyzing someone's psychology, when you're seeing their natal
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: moon in conjunction with their natal son, what do you
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: think that means to you based on the story that
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: you have already read about Cronus or Saturn. And so
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: that's the time when I really was a I realized
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: that this this you know, intimate connection between ancient stories
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: and our human psychology. And that's how you know, this
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: inspired me this this whole time about writing stories and
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: uses in my you know, counseling practice.
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: My our guest is lttal Wong. His new deck is
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: called Legends, Heroes and Villain's Oracle, a thirty six card
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: deck along with a guidebook. We're going to be talking
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: about that when we come back. Latow, please share with
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: our listeners where then you get all of your wonderful
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: works and find out more about you and your offerings.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: Of course, yeah, so people will. If you want to
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: seek me for astrology session or powert de session, can
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: find me through my website official website www dot Thehealing
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: Kingdom dot com or my official Instagram account, which is
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: just my name l E t a o w a
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: ng lttal wog and you can easily find my publications
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: my oracle decks on Amazon if you just search my.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: Name and the new deck will be available when.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: The new deck, Legends, Heroes and the Villain's Oracle will
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: be officially re released on May the fifth, twenty twenty
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: six this year.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: And is it available in pre order yet?
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, already, It's already open for preorder now on Amazon.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: Yes, wonderful. And we'll be back with more of Latau
• 23:05
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  Speaker 1: Back on Destination Unlimited. My guest this week is ltal Wang.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: We're going to be talking about his new book, Legends,
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: Heroes and Villain's oracle. But before we discuss that, let's
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: talk about the one we discussed the last time you
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: were on the Oracle of the Mythic Heroes, in which
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: you combined the strong crystals, zodiac signs, Greek and Roman mythology,
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: and much more. How are each of these divination tools
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: connected and how do they work together?
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: Oracle Mythic Heroes and Oracle Miss Celesta, these were really wow.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: You know, how do I describe this? When I first
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: created them, I was really feeling that this is something
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: that I was meant to do because, you know, like
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: what I said, I really loved the mythology, and I
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: really wanted to bring mythology to a much larger audience.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: The most oracle cars and terror cars are. You know,
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: you can find a lot of those cars with themes
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: like angels, mermaids, you know, me the witches, you know,
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: things like that, and I really wanted people to learn
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: more about myths, you know, about our ancient wisdoms. There's,
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: of course, there's nothing wrong with the mermaids where angels
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: and things like that. Understand that a lot of us
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: feel very drowne to those things. But there are not
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: enough mythology decks out there, especially when it comes to
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: the stories related to heroes. You know, we may have
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: heard of the name of the gods, right like Poseidon.
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: We may have heard of Athena, we may have heard
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: of you know, you know, Aphrodity. But when it comes
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: to the mortal heroes such as theseus hercules, such as
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: you know Jason, such as Atlanta, right, we might just
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: be a little bit like, oh, okay, but I don't
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: really know who they are and you know what they do.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: And so my idea was ready to bring the mortal stories,
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: the hero stories alive, because we are mortals ourselves, and
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: I think a lot of the stories that we hear
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: and we read in mythology, it's really about the relationship
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: between mortals and the gods. It's about how we, you know,
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: deal with the so called the environment, because the so
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: called the gods, right, you know, the stories with Zeus,
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: with hero those are at the end of the day,
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: it's our environment. Those are the divine power out there,
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: and how do we connect ourselves with our environment. This,
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: you know, goes back to the first thing that we
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: discussed about, this relationship right between us and the universe
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: and that's really that was my real intention when I
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: created the mythic heroes. And that's why when you look
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: at the guide book usually I mean, I think for
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: our audience, right, you know, if you have to use
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: oracle decks, most of them actually don't have a very
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: sick guide book. They're usually maybe I don't know, fifty pages,
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: sixty pages if you have I don't know, maybe a
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: forty cars deck. And if you read Mythic Arcle of
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: the Mythic hero you will see I dedicated a lot
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: of time writing the stories with together the teaching after
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: the story, and so the guide what was two hundred
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: and fifty six pages for a forty cars deck, And
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: even to the point that when I was when we were,
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: you know, in a process of doing the editing with
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: the publisher, the publisher literally said to me, but that latue,
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: you're not publishing a book, you're publishing an oracle deck.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: You have to reduce a workout. And so our original
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: writing was actually even more than the current guidebook. We
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: had to cut about fifteen to twenty percent writing so
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: that now you know, this guidebook can fit into the box.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: And so one of the things I would really highly
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: recommend to my audience who would love to use Oracle
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: of the Music Heroes and the Oracle of the Celesti Deities,
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: is that please take your time to read the guidebook
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: as a story book. This is not just a guidebook
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: that just teach teaches you how to read the cards,
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: but there's much more information in it that can benefit you.
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. What inspired your brand new offering Legends, Heroes and
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: Villain's Oracle, A thirty six card deck and God book?
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: What inspired that?
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: Right? So one of the things, you know, I also
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: actually wrote this in the in the beginning chapter, the
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: first chapter of my Oracle back Legends, Heroes and Videos Oracle,
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: because I realized at the end of the mythology is
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: very closely related to our history. But because myth is
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: pretty much, I mean, myth is a version, a very
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: early a day version of our history. Right, And you're
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: talking about the stories of Hercules, Well, it's very interesting.
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: Did he really exist? Did he really have the twelve labors?
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: It's very funny. You know, years ago, when I was
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: traveling in Greece, I talked to this local Greek guy,
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: you know, who was my taxi driver, and he literally
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: asked me this question. He said, you know, because I
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: told him. You know, the reason why I was in
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: Greece was because I wanted to visit those ancient ruins, right,
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: and to trace the ancient stories of those heroes. And
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: he said, do you actually believe Hercules existed? And I said,
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: I would like to believe it, right because I study mythology.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: But do you believe in it because you are Greek
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: and you grew up in this culture. And he paused
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: a second and he said, actually we do, but we
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: think it might just be an exaggerated version of the
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: real history. He said, probably there was a very very
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: strong guy whose name was Hercules, and he had to
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: go through all the you know, the Rick Moreau, the
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: heart labor in order to find his enlightenment. But maybe
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: as human being, when we're telling the stories generation after generation,
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: we gave a little bit more colors, we gave a
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: little bit more details, right with our human imagination. And
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: so at the end of the day, you know, back
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: to your question, I think mythology is history, and so
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: when I created legends, heroes and villain's article, I wanted
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: to write stories based on our history, a more modern
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: day history, and that's why when you look at the
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: each card, you will find people who actually lived very
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: close to our modern time. For example, even the first
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: chapter dedicated to the zod excite areas, I have got
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: Steve Jobs some mean who merely passed away I think
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: maybe ten years ago or something like that. As you
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: remember when I was a student we had to study
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: his commencement speech at a Stanford University. Was you know,
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: it's almost like just happened yesterday. But we also have
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: some ancient heroes in this deck, for example John of
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: Arc for example, we have uh someone okay, more of
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: we have Isiac Newton right in the chapter for Gemini.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: And we also have some you know, a lot of
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: either heroes or villains who lived within the past one
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: hundred years, for example Harriet Tubman, which is on the
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: cover of the box the Oracle deck box, Marie Curie
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: who seen his discovery. And I think this the artcle
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: that could be very inspirational for us to learn things
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: from people who we feel more uh you know, connected with,
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: because probably we studied them when we were in school, right,
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: Probably we heard about their stories on TV, were on
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: radio shows, et cetera, et cetera.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: So this is my intention when I created the deck,
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: and I must say the art work is absolutely magnificent
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: in both in the deck and in the directory. Who
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: did the artwork for you?
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: So the art work was done by the Chinese artist
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: whose name was Tao Jan. He was introduced to me
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: by a friend of mine. Because when I was thinking about,
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: you know, creating this deck, I wanted the artist to
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: be a different style. You know, if you look at
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: Oracle of the Mythic Heroes and the Oracle of the
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: Celestial Deities, there were more like fantasy type, you know,
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: a little bit comical of fantasy, because I mean, at
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: the end of the day, mythology is a little bit
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: like you know, they're so ancient, right, And when I
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: was creating this deck, I want them to be more realistic. Right.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: For example, when I write the chapter for Thomas Edison,
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: I want the art to actually look like him rather
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: than a comic character. So and that's how you know,
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: I had to find a different artist, and I was
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: introduced to Tao jannod was very good at doing, you know,
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: art in a very realistic way, and that's how you
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: know our collaboration started.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: Now, the actual people, the figures the characters that you
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: employ in this are the chapters set up according to
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: their birth signs.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: No, they're not. They're actually based on the lessons that
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: we're learning from them. Yeah. So for example, Steve Jobs
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: that you have to look at the keyword, right, The
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: keyword for him is pioneer, and pioneer is a very
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: important quality based on the lodic sign Areas because Areas
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: energy is about being the first person. It's the first
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: zodic sign on our astrological wheel. So this is about
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: you know, being the pioneer, you know, taking the first
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: step into something, making the first boat, move into innovation,
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: into creation, things like that.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so you have Steve Jobs, tell us about Confucius.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: Weird, it's confusion. Also, it's in the type of Virgo, right, Yeah.
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: So one of the intriesting things about Virgo energy is
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: that Virgo has a lot to deal with virtue, because
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: Virgo energy has a lot to deal with our service,
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: you know, how we dedicate ourselves to the society. Because
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: some that even as a negative trend. You know people
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: know about Virgo is they're very very precise, right, They're
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: very detail oriented, to the point that sometimes we might
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: even find it a little bit unnecessary the way they
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: organize things, where they control things. But at the end
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: of the day, I do believe that virgo as a
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: zoetic sign they bring to our society is very very
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: important lesson about being virtuous and doing the right thing
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: and know that we have our own sense of responsibility.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: So Confucius was a very typical example of that because
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: he was an ancient philosopher in China, and even these days,
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: I mean, Confucius still influences a lot of different cultures,
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: not just in Chinese culture, and typically, for example, the
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: Korean culture is very much influenced by the Confucius teachings.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: And so I wanted to as you can see in
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: the guide book, the thirty six characters are from all
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: over the world, right. Some of them are from North America,
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: some of them were from China, some of them are
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: from you know, Middle East, or from Russia, or from Africa,
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: or from South America, from Europe, everywhere, And so I
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: really wanted to bring different types of how do I
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: see this, different types of contribution right that people can
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: make to the humanity, And Confucius was one of the
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: characters that I chose from Chinese culture.
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: And In addition to all of these men, you also
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: have some wonderful women. You had mentioned Harriet Tubman. Who
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: are some of the other women in this so.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: Okay, so one of my There are quite a few, actually, yeah,
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: so we're talking of, for example, Yoshko Yamaguchi, which is actually
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: my favorite in this. I was so excited about writing her.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: We can talk about that later because I was very
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: very into her contribution to humanity. So we got Yushko Yamaguchi,
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: who was sort of like a half Japanese half Chinese
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: character from the Second World War. We have Cleopetra. We
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: had Eva Perron from South America, from Argentina. We also
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: have a Marie Curi, the scientist right who discovered the radium.
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: Who else? We have Lenar Roosevelt right, who was very
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: very famous in American history as well. So I would
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: say probably we have almost half and maybe you know,
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: forty percent of the the heroes and legends who are
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: female in this uh in this deck, which you know
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: is very very important, A lot of the important women,
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: they made such important contribution to the development of society.
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: And I think it's important also for girls, teenage girl
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: to read this A guide book right to use this
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: deck so that they can also find their own, you know,
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: a female idol or someone that they want to learn
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: from you as a woman.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: And the same question, but this time the villains. Who
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: are the villains and what do we learn from them?
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: Oh?
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: Well we learned their mistakes? Yeah, as simple as that. Right. Well,
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: on the box we have Charles Poonzi. The keyword for
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: him is greed. I mean he's a very you know,
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: infamous person. Why an't we We know who he was,
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: and that's how we you know, got the so called
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: pun skill.
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: And we also have got for example, let's see other
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: villains we have in here who we have Joseph studying
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: and the keyword is control. Uh. And we also have
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: Fritz harp Haber. Right, it's actually a German name. I
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: don't know if a lot of you our audience know
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: who he was.
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: Fritz Haber was actually a very famous scientist uh in chemistry.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: He actually was the one who made great contribution to
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: our scientific research in uh in chemistry and you know,
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: even in our agriculture. But the problem was that he
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: also used his knowledge to develop chemical weapons during the
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: First World War and his belief was that if we
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: can win the war to uh, you know, for our
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: sense of nationalism, then it's okay to kill people with
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: chemical weapons. And so that's his that's that's how his
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: life kind of like you know, just kind of diverted
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: into a round track, kind of like you know, sidetracked.
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: And so he was also one of the villains that
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: I was writing in the uh in the book. And
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: also one more person I can mention is Maximilian Robert Spear,
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: who was a very important leader in this French revolution,
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: but he's Kellard. It was extremism, and as you can imagine,
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: when revolution goes to extreme, it becomes a bloody battlefield,
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: and that almost becomes a little bit like an ideology,
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: a very destted ideology, right, it's about, you know, we
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: kill everyone who is not agreeing with our ideology, with
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: what our what we believe in. And so his ideology
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: was also very very extreme, even though his you know,
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: his intention was right at the very beginning, it was about,
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: you know, building a democratic country. It was about you know,
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: ending the silver of the kings and the queens and
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: we need the republic. But then later he went to
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: extreme and he probably you know, he killed more people
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: than than the king and the queens of France, you
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: know what I mean. And so that was also one
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  Speaker 2: of the villains that I put in the book. And
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: I think at the end of the day, you know, when
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: we look at all these villains and heroes in the
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: uh Ugudible, and they're all from different times of history.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: Some of them are from very very ancient times. Some
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: of them are literally they lived maybe fifty sixty years ago.
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  Speaker 2: And this is really the point when I created this
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  Speaker 2: or deck. I really want us to see how history happened,
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: and even after thousands of years, we're still learning the
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: same lessons.
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: Can you give us a simple reading?
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: Okay, So actually I have the deck of cars next
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: to me. What shall we ask? What should we do?
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: Here's here's a question that I would ask in conjunction
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: with what's happening in the world right now? Are we
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: going to see a return to loving kindness in this world?
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: Great question? Okay, So I'm gonna shuffle my cars right so,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if you can hear me shuffling. Let's
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: focus on return to a world. Could you say that again,
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: was in the world.
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  Speaker 1: A world of kindness? Human kindness? Caring for another.
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  Speaker 2: Very good. Okay, the kindness love, thank you very much. Right,
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: give me one message, thank you universe. Interesting. So the
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: card that I put out says Nicolaus Copernicious and the
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: keyword is truth. We can find this card which is
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: under the in the chapter for Sagittarius. Uh. Nicolas Copernicus
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: was actually an astrologer, not astrolgogery, but what do you
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: call that? Astronomer right back in the sixteenth century, and
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: his dedication was to discover that actually, you know, we're
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: not living in the universe that is earth centric, but
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: more solar centric. We are going around the sun. The
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: Sun does not go around us. And this is the
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: typical story that we hear about him. And so the
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: keyword for this card is truth, meaning that we have
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: to really understand what is real in our lives and
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: we can't pretend that we are leading in the delusion
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: or in a lie that we tell ourselves every day.
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: I think to answer the question that you just said
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: about in a return to the world of kindness, we
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: really have to really leave our lives. We look at
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: our society from an authentic perspective, rather than leave our
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: lives based on certain ideology that we think that which
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: is you know, correct or what is right for us?
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: And I think at the end of the day, these
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: could just encarnias to really look at or authentic self
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: at the end of that, where is your authenticity in
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: this and where is the authenticity of our society or
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: of our community, what is our real intention, what we're
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: really trying to build? And also because you know, Nicolaus
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: Gobernigas discovered the lie right that we have been telling
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: ourselves we have been the Church has been telling us
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: that we are earth centric. Everything goes around the earth,
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: the earth for thousands of years, so this could also
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: be a good indication telling that step when you realiz
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: that certain things is alive, please don't be shy to
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: voice it out. Please bring the authenticity to the world.
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: And everybody has a voice.
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: And as the foundation of every religion has in it
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: a version of the Golden rule, doing to others as
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: you have them doing to you, Love thy neighbor as thyself.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: If we all did that, what a world it would be.
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: One hundred percent you know, like at the end of
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: the day, I also think that you know the reason
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: why humans created religion because of love you know, we
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: wanted to create something because we believe that there's something
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: that has to guide us. Right, whether whatever you know
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: religious believe that you have, maybe you believe in the
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: Christian God, or maybe for a certain authing you believe in,
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: you know, a Islamic God, or maybe you're you're believe
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: in Hinduism or Buddhism. Right at the end of the day,
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: the religion was created, I think was because we needed
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: some kind of guidance, we needed a faith in our lives.
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: So the intention was always good. But sometimes when we
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: are developing certain things, then we mix it up with
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: certain ideology or certain even selfish beliefs that we have,
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: and then we try to use religion to achieve our
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: own goal, and that's when the authenticity is lost. And
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: so I think sometimes we just have to really go
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: back to the basics and be like, Okay, what is
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: the truth of this and what is the truth of
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: us starting this anyway?
• 43:26
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  Speaker 2: So Legends Heis and Villain's Arcle will be released on
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  Speaker 1: Oh, very wonderful. Thank you for sharing that. What would
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  Speaker 1: you say has been the biggest challenge in your career
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  Speaker 1: as a spiritual counselor.
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  Speaker 2: Ooh, the most I guess. So. The biggest challenge I
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  Speaker 2: would say so far, especially in personal personal counseling session,
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  Speaker 2: is to really understand that sometimes as a guy for
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  Speaker 2: the clients, we can't really change their lives based on
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  Speaker 2: how we want it. To be all the time, because
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  Speaker 2: at the end of the day, you know, our clients
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  Speaker 2: their lives. And you know, the most difficult thing that
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  Speaker 2: I've had was to counsel a client for about two years.
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  Speaker 2: But sometimes they're still, you know, going kind of circling
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  Speaker 2: back to the same pattern and experience the same thing.
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  Speaker 2: And it's kind of like as as a counselor or
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: as their therapist, it's also very heart wrenching for me
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  Speaker 2: to see that because you know, at the end of
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  Speaker 2: the day, they are really I guess you know, they
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: have the intention to to to change and to improve
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: and to leave your you know, the old patterns and
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  Speaker 2: sheddy old skins. But somehow they're still circling back to
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: the old story again. And I think that's the most
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: challenging thing that I see in my daily counseling session,
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: and that's the time sometime when I realize that well,
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  Speaker 2: as a therapist, you know, there is also some kind
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  Speaker 2: But having said that, of course, that's just a very
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: very small amount of clients who are like that. Most
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: people who are able to use their determination and their
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: discipline right, and you know they will keep reminding themselves
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: to do their spiritual work, their journaling, their meditation, and
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: thus they will be able to bring improvement and a
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  Speaker 2: transformation to their lives after a period of time of
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: counseling and therapy.
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: I believe the Chinese New Year is coming up a
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: week on the February seventeenth, which is a little less
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: than a week from tonight when we're airing this show,
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: tell us what year is this?
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: This year is going to be the year of the
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: fire horse. Actually we have already entered the year of
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: the fire horse. Yeah, this is by the way, it's
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: just a very interesting thing to mention you. Actually the
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: Chinese ldig sign does not change based on Chinese New
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: Year day, but it is actually every years based on
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: the first day of the first day of the spring
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: spring each year and the springtime the so this first
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: day of spring is based on the Chinese stolar calendar
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: agriculture calendar, so usually it starts on Fairry the fourth,
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: So literally today, I mean we are already in the
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: year of the fire Horse.
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and what does the fire horse represent?
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: So the fire horse energy is it's quite a different one,
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: because you know, we just transformed ourselves from the year
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: of the ood Snake twenty twenty five to the fire
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: horse energy and effect. Horse is already an animal of
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: fire in Chinese sostroology, right, it naturally carries the element
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: of fire, and in the heavenly stem we have the
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: fire element as well, and that's why this year is
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: called the fire horse year rather than you know, metal
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: horse or water horse. And so when we have the
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: heavenly stam fire and the earthly branch also fire, which
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: is horse, this year we are actually seeing a lot
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: of this fire energy, and the inspirituality of fire rules
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: our creativity, our inspirations, our passion, our enthusiasm, and also
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: that sudden spark of a breeding idea. So I think
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: in a good way, the fire horse is kind of
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: like encouraging us to gallop, to move forward with our passion,
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: with our authentic, you know, encusiasm, and to really translate
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: those ideas that we had in the previous cycle into
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: more decisive action. But we also have to be a
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: little bit careful because excessive fire energy sometimes can be
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: a little bit risky, especially this year in the Western
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: astrology we're seeing both Saturn and Neptune forming a conjunction
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: in areas. Now Areas is also a fire sign. In
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: Western astrology, Saturn is life lessons. So to use a
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: symbolism of the fire horse. See, riding a horse is exciting,
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: it's fast, it's exciting, it's fun. But also you will
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: never want to want your child to a little child
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: or to stand too close behind a horse, because it
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: could be dangerous. A horse they can kick and they
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: can be quite deadly as well. And so this year,
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: the most important theme I think is to let yourself gallop,
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: but make sure that you're very very focused what is
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: actually in front of you, and keep your hands on
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: the ring and pace yourself and that will help you
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: move forward without much glitch. The fire horse energy sometimes
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: can really be aggressive. Actually, actually in Chinese astrology we
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: have this saying that each because the fire horse energy
• 51:05
  Speaker 2: only comes to us once every sixty years, and usually
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: when we have the fire horse year, it can be
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: a little bit chaotic. So that's what I mean by
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: we have to be very aware and to be very
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: just to be very persipicacious about what's really happening within
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: annous in our psychology and the people around us. Like
• 51:26
  Speaker 2: sixty years ago. The last time we had the fire
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: horse energy, it was nineteen sixty six, and that was
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: the beginning point of the Culture Revolution in China, which
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: was a very very devastating and chaotic time in Chinese society.
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: And sixty year before that, it was the time when
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: the Eight Western Powers invaded into the Forbidden City and
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: forced the Aching dynasty. The emperor designed an unequal treaty
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: with them. And so you know, in Chinese history, when
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: we look at the fire horse year, we really have
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: to be very aware of what's happening. Keep your horse running,
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: but keep your hands on the ray. That's it.
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: Wonderful advice. Now, from the standpoint of Western astrology, how
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: is the energy of twenty twenty six different from twenty
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: twenty five.
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: So one of the good things about twenty twenty six
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: in Western astrologies that we're having a jubiter moving into Leo,
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: which is actually again a fire sign. It just filled
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: with fire energy. Actually, Tributar lose expansion, growth and opportunities.
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: And you know our faith right positivity, positivity, positive mind,
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: and Leo lose creativity again, creativity, entertainment. You know fun. Also,
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: it lose our inner child children. So Leo moves into
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: sorry Tubilar moves into Leo could be very beneficial for
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: our society when it comes to children. This could be
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: very beneficial when it comes to entertainment industry, movies, music,
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: concert right, creative expressions, right comedies, you know, all these
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: kinds of things that we enjoy as our entertainment activity
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: or me even you know, music and theaters. Those things
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: are all ruled by Leo. So when Jubiter moves into Leo,
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: it keeps expansion and breakthroughs in things like that, our
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: creativity art as well, right painting. And the lesson that
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: we need to learn is when Satura and Neptune forming
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: this conjunction in areas. That's very interesting because I talked
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: about this with another astronogery the other day on a
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: different podcast. Because Neptune loses illusion and dreams and idealism,
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: but Satura a lose reality. It rules our discipline in
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: a way, it also lose our truth. So when these
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: two things come together in areas, it's about finding the
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: balance between what is our delusion, what is our dreams
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: and versus what is real? Uh, what is practical, practical,
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: you know, practical for us and what is our responsibility?
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: And so this year, because these two planets are conjumping
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: in areas, areas use our leadership, and so this year,
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: I think that we're gonna see a lot of these balancing.
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: We're rebalancing in our leaders. For example, Uh, this could
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: be about our CEOs CFOs of big corporate what kind
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: of decisions they're making. We can also look at our
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: leaders on the world stage, you know, our president, our
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: prime ministers, how they what kind of decisions they make
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: based on their I mean, sorry to say, their delusion
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: versus what is actually practical and what is actually real
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: and what is the real sense of responsibility that they
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: can uh demonstrate to us. And I believe that by
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: the end of the year, we will see a lot
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: of examples. Uh.
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: In that wonderful my guest Taiwan his book and his
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  Speaker 1: deck Legends, Heroes and Villain's Oracle, a thirty six card
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  Speaker 1: deck and guidebook. Please share with our listeners where they
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: can get your deck and guidebook and find out more
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: about you and your offerings.
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: Great so you can find Legends Oracle, Legends, Heroes and
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  Speaker 2: Villain's Oracle, as well as my previous publications Oracle of
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  Speaker 1: A ng latel. Thank you so much for joining us
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  Speaker 1: again and sharing your wisdom and your your your wonderful
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  Speaker 1: heart and the offerings that you bring to our world.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you so much.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you Victor for having me. It's been amazing, and.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us on Destination Unlimited. I'm Victor
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  Speaker 1: the Voice Furman. Have a wonderful week.