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Ken Rosenthal’s Inside Scoop: CBA talks, lol Twins, Bieber’s shocker + Skenes wants to be a Yankee? · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: John Snyder's gonna win. Okay, let's just I know, I
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  Speaker 1: know you like to forget about the team up north, Ken,
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  Speaker 1: but John Schneider is gonna win. Okay, He's gonna win
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  Speaker 1: this award just because he's there in the A. L.
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  Speaker 1: E's and everyone's gonna look at him and say, oh,
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  Speaker 1: the Yankees and Red Sox, but the Blue Jays. But hey,
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  Speaker 1: that's fine. I get it. You forget about him sometimes.
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  Speaker 2: I got you. I got whatever he's saying about it.
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  Speaker 1: That's fine.
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  Speaker 3: What is that pen?
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  Speaker 2: Drop?
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  Speaker 1: Pen? Is that like that? Like a small pan?
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  Speaker 2: A lot before you even talk. I brought this up
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  Speaker 2: to you yesterday. You didn't even remember it. I had
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  Speaker 2: mentioned at the time Stephen Vogue could be Manager of
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  Speaker 2: the Year because the Guardians were on this incredible run
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  Speaker 2: and you had to run your mouth. And that's what
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  Speaker 2: happens Mann.
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  Speaker 1: You know, you know, you know what you know. What
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know at the time is that you were
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  Speaker 1: like Jerry Reinsoref and Tony LaRussa, trying to get certain
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  Speaker 1: people into the Hall of Fame. You were on this
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  Speaker 1: committee that voted for al Manager of the Year. You
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  Speaker 1: didn't give me all the information. Ken I didn't know
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  Speaker 1: behind this you were preaching out all.
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  Speaker 2: These people young. That's today. That's my only vote this year.
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  Speaker 1: Null and void, Ken, null and void.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, okay, you're in the middle of this. You can
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  Speaker 2: go to the bbw A website and see who voted
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  Speaker 2: for each award. You will not see Ken Rosenthal's name
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  Speaker 2: on ale mander aj. Now you got to click on something,
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  Speaker 2: read something to figure this out.
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  Speaker 1: Here you go, Ken, ready, I'm sorry, Ken, I'm happy
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  Speaker 1: for Steven. Vote again. You'll think that Ken had some
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  Speaker 1: behind the scenes scenes, back back dealing that I don't
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  Speaker 1: know about. So because he was way too confident about
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  Speaker 1: this one, which is which is what vot vote?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I understand over the years how guys think and
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  Speaker 2: women think when they're voting. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: True, congratulations even vote an Pat Murphy obviously, all.
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  Speaker 4: Right, age, I have to side with Ken on this,
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  Speaker 4: having been towards vote a few times as well. It's
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  Speaker 4: a lot less conspiratorial than some people think out there.
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  Speaker 4: That's not quite what people seem to think. But with that, Ken, obviously,
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  Speaker 4: first of all, thank you so much for joining us
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  Speaker 4: here on the inside Scoop. You've written a lot recently.
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  Speaker 4: I want to jump in with an article you wrote
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  Speaker 4: with Evan Drelich yesterday about Major League Baseball and representatives
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  Speaker 4: from the Major League Baseball Players Association met for a
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  Speaker 4: preliminary meeting on labor. With the expiration of the CBA
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  Speaker 4: just a little more than a year away. This is
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  Speaker 4: obviously a very very big topic in the game, executives, agents,
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  Speaker 4: everyone's talking about it. What can you tell us about
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  Speaker 4: this meeting and what came out.
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  Speaker 2: Of it, Kyle, I don't know that I can tell
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  Speaker 2: you a whole lot about what happened at the meeting. Basically,
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  Speaker 2: the story is that a meeting took place, and we
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  Speaker 2: determine that because of the nature of these negotiations in
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  Speaker 2: the past, the acrimony that has existed over the years,
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  Speaker 2: we determined at the Athletic that that alone was worth
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  Speaker 2: a story. That they've met and that whatever happened happened.
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  Speaker 2: But at least there is some conversation. Now. I was
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  Speaker 2: told this morning that there's more conversation Nick goes on
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  Speaker 2: than we think, maybe, and that's fine. But this was
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  Speaker 2: a formal meeting, and again I don't expect that anything
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  Speaker 2: substantive happened at it. But the mere fact that they're talking.
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  Speaker 2: We determined that was a news story and that's why
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  Speaker 2: we wrote it. So is it a good sign or
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  Speaker 2: a bad sign? I don't know that it changes Kyle
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  Speaker 2: the tenor at all. This is gonna be what it is.
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  Speaker 2: We all know what's coming. A lockout is coming, a
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  Speaker 2: dispute is coming. But it would be actually, it would
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  Speaker 2: behoove both sides to meet and meet often now and
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  Speaker 2: try to get this thing done, maybe before even the
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  Speaker 2: lockout date of December one, twenty twenty six. That's the
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  Speaker 2: expiration of the CBA long time ago, back in two
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  Speaker 2: thousand and six. I remember during the World Series the
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  Speaker 2: agreement was expiring December, and they reached agreement during the
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  Speaker 2: World Series. I don't expect that to happen this time,
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  Speaker 2: but it's not impossible. It's happened before.
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  Speaker 1: Ken. Come on, Ken, you know they're gonna drag this out.
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  Speaker 1: They're not gonna get it done, gonna they're gonna drag
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  Speaker 1: it out because guess what they get paid for dragging
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  Speaker 1: it out. Why haven't they been meeting the whole time?
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  Speaker 1: I don't understand. I just don't understand why we just
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  Speaker 1: can't meet the whole time. And go from there. But
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  Speaker 1: what I really don't understand is why were you not
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  Speaker 1: in on this meeting?
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  Speaker 3: Ken?
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  Speaker 1: You could have just squeezed through the keyhole and sat
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  Speaker 1: in there and listen and then given us the inside
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  Speaker 1: scoop a j That's.
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  Speaker 2: A great point, and I wish I had been at
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  Speaker 2: this meeting and many others over the years. There was
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  Speaker 2: one time in my career where the Oriols were being
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  Speaker 2: sold in a bankruptcy auction. This was in nineteen ninety
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  Speaker 2: three and it was taking place in a courthouse in Manhattan,
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  Speaker 2: and I did sneak into a meeting because there were
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  Speaker 2: all these people in suits and I was actually in
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  Speaker 2: a suit too, and no one knew who which group.
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  Speaker 2: So I snuck into this meeting and I was successful
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  Speaker 2: and I found out some stuff. But in the past
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  Speaker 2: thirty two years, I really haven't done that again. Hasn't
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  Speaker 2: worked out for me?
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  Speaker 3: Are there because of the contentious negotiations and like kind
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  Speaker 3: of some misdealings accused from both sides. Is there any
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  Speaker 3: chance that some of these meetings have to be held
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  Speaker 3: with an arbitrator in it, or because these are preliminary meetings,
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  Speaker 3: they don't have to have any kind of fair. I'm
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  Speaker 3: not even sure what the legal term is like fair
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  Speaker 3: negotiating tactics in these meetings, because last year it was
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  Speaker 3: or last CBA, they came to the meeting and they said, hey,
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  Speaker 3: here's our offer, and then part of fair negotiating, you're
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  Speaker 3: supposed to make a counteroffer, and there was never counteroffers.
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  Speaker 3: So is there anything like that that has to happen
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  Speaker 3: this time?
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  Speaker 2: No, And what you're referring to, I think eric is
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  Speaker 2: a charge of unfair labor practices that might result from
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  Speaker 2: contentious negotiation that ultimately could be part of the outcome
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  Speaker 2: here I don't necessarily expected. But you don't have an
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  Speaker 2: arbitrator sitting there, even in these kinds of meetings, and
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  Speaker 2: you don't have one sitting there at the end. It's
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  Speaker 2: not how this works. They just meet, they negotiate, they
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  Speaker 2: go back talk to their own people on both sides,
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  Speaker 2: and try to figure out solutions. And that's just generally
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  Speaker 2: how these things work.
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  Speaker 2: KEN.
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  Speaker 4: In terms of on the field, the Texas Rangers are
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  Speaker 4: one of the more interesting teams this offseason. Of course,
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  Speaker 4: we saw them win their first World Series in franchise
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  Speaker 4: history in twenty twenty three. Twenty twenty four, things didn't
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  Speaker 4: go the way they'd hope. They finished under five hundred
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  Speaker 4: last year eighty one and eighty one. Right at five hundred,
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  Speaker 4: Bruce Bochi stepped away. Skip Schumacher is now their new manager.
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  Speaker 4: This is just an interesting team to kind of figure
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  Speaker 4: out what direction they're going in. What are you hearing,
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  Speaker 4: what are you seeing, and what do you expect from
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  Speaker 4: the Texas Rangers here moving into twenty twenty six.
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  Speaker 2: First of all, Kyli agree with you. They are quite
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  Speaker 2: an interesting team. And first off, they've got to figure
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  Speaker 2: out where the payroll is and they're like a number
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  Speaker 2: of clubs right now that don't have a clear direction yet.
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  Speaker 2: Perhaps the results of the luxury tax payrolls will influence
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  Speaker 2: them one way or the other. It seems were under
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  Speaker 2: based on what was out there publicly, but they want
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  Speaker 2: to know for sure they were under, rather than perhaps
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  Speaker 2: being over and getting penalized again as a third time offender.
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  Speaker 2: So that's one thing that's going on. But they are
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  Speaker 2: in a position where they are going to reduce payroll
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  Speaker 2: and that's not really a secret. The question is how
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  Speaker 2: do you do it. You've got two guys they can
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  Speaker 2: non tender. I don't expect them non tender both, but
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  Speaker 2: it could be certainly one of them. Adolis Garcia and
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  Speaker 2: Jonah heim Garcia is making more money than him, and
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  Speaker 2: by non tendering one or long shot both, you would
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  Speaker 2: save some money and then you could go forward with
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  Speaker 2: what you want to do in the off season. But
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  Speaker 2: I don't expect them to be as aggressive in the
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  Speaker 2: off season as they've maybe been in the past couple
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  Speaker 2: of years. And what would really be interesting would be
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  Speaker 2: if they could move one of their bigger cons. Now
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  Speaker 2: I don't see that happening. Marcus Simeon would probably be
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  Speaker 2: the only one, and he's in decline and he's owed
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  Speaker 2: a lot of money still. But the question I think
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  Speaker 2: is how far will they go to free up money
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  Speaker 2: so they can do other things knowing that their payroll
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  Speaker 2: is going to go down. And they're an interesting case
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  Speaker 2: study for other reasons as well. Kyle, here's a team
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  Speaker 2: that were kind of the anti Blue Jays last year.
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  Speaker 2: The blue Jays I was critical of in the past
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  Speaker 2: for not getting the most out of their talent. The
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  Speaker 2: Rangers have kind of been that way offensively for a
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  Speaker 2: couple of years now. They're better on paper than they
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  Speaker 2: play on the field, and it's going to be really
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  Speaker 2: interesting to see how that dynamic might change. With Drew
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  Speaker 2: Mocker now taking over. They also need to address their
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  Speaker 2: pitching and they've got some other things that they're going
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  Speaker 2: to have to do as well. But it is one
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  Speaker 2: of those teams that, yeah, you're gonna be watching closely
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  Speaker 2: this offseason because they can go in a couple of
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  Speaker 2: different directions.
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  Speaker 1: Keim, what do you think? I mean? Yes, they can
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  Speaker 1: go in a couple different directions. But then you have
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  Speaker 1: like the Twins who are also saying, oh, we could
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  Speaker 1: try and compete, but we don't know yet, Like when
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  Speaker 1: do you know? You should already know, right, because like
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  Speaker 1: the Rangers know what they're gonna do. They know who
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  Speaker 1: they have on our contract, and they know what they need.
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  Speaker 1: The Twins know what they need. They traded their whole
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  Speaker 1: team away, so now they're gonna say, we're gonna try
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  Speaker 1: and compete, so now we have to buy all these guys.
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  Speaker 1: Like that's what I understanding, Like when do you know
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  Speaker 1: as a team January first, after the winter meetings? How
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  Speaker 1: do you not know? Like you should know it?
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  Speaker 2: And I hear this from a couple of teams or
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  Speaker 2: a number of teams. Actually the Twins are one of
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  Speaker 2: them that we don't have our budget yet, we're not
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  Speaker 2: sure exactly what we're dealing with. That's an ownership call.
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  Speaker 2: Ownership has to make that decision where they are with
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  Speaker 2: the budget and how much they're going to allocate from
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  Speaker 2: major league payroll. All of that. Now, the Twins are
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  Speaker 2: really interesting as well, because if you read Dan Hayes's
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  Speaker 2: story in The Athletic Today and you see Derek Falvey's quotes.
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  Speaker 2: Derek is the president of baseball operations for the Twins,
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  Speaker 2: he is basically saying he wants to compete. He doesn't
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  Speaker 2: want to go backwards anymore. He wants to go and
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  Speaker 2: add to this team. They have talent they can build
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  Speaker 2: around Pablo Lopez, Joe Ryan, and Byron Buxton for starters
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  Speaker 2: and that's a pretty good nucleus of players that But
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  Speaker 2: will they continue what they did at the deadline, which
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  Speaker 2: is just tear it down And here's an ownership group
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  Speaker 2: that just took it on the two minority investors. A
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  Speaker 2: big part of that they're thinking was to help pay
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  Speaker 2: down the debt. Have the minority investors the money that
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  Speaker 2: they're infusing into the organization pay down their significant debt.
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  Speaker 2: But how about putting money back into the team at
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  Speaker 2: a time when you've also liked the Rangers hired a
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  Speaker 2: new manager, Derek Shelton, and at a time also when
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  Speaker 2: your fans are as alienated as I can ever remember
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  Speaker 2: Twins fans being. And maybe I'm a victim of recency
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  Speaker 2: bias here, but I don't remember the last time Twins
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  Speaker 2: fans with this disaffected with their team, and two and
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  Speaker 2: two that's a long time ago. Okay, that's fair, but
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  Speaker 2: that's a long time ago. And the way to get
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  Speaker 2: fans back is to show you care about the product
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  Speaker 2: on the field, and that's what's been lacking the last
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  Speaker 2: couple of years.
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  Speaker 3: Do you believe, then, when these teams say it, because
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  Speaker 3: these teams are owned by billionaires who run businesses, if
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  Speaker 3: the billionaire was going up to the last month before
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  Speaker 3: the fiscal year and said, just not shore our budget.
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  Speaker 3: They're setting their budgets sometimes years out in advance. Do
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  Speaker 3: you believe these teams really don't know their budget or
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  Speaker 3: is it just the hey, you know, we're putting on
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  Speaker 3: the face of we're not sure how much we're gonna
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  Speaker 3: spend free agency. Sorry, you're not gonna get a lot
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  Speaker 3: of money.
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  Speaker 2: Eric. Is a curious thing to me, and maybe you're
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  Speaker 2: right that it's masquerade to show the players, and we
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  Speaker 2: don't know exactly what we're gonna spend, then you should
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  Speaker 2: be too excited. I don't know, but when you hear
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  Speaker 2: the Baseball operations people talk about this particular kind of
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  Speaker 2: situation that we don't know our budget yet, I don't
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  Speaker 2: believe they're lying. For whatever reason. Maybe ownership or just
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  Speaker 2: ownerships are just taking stock of what happened in the
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  Speaker 2: season and trying to figure out where they are and
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  Speaker 2: not entirely sure yet.
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  Speaker 4: But you're right.
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  Speaker 2: It's November twelfth here, offseason has started, free agent market
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  Speaker 2: is open in the meetings are a couple of weeks away.
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  Speaker 2: Let's go, And I would anticipate that even for a
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  Speaker 2: team like the Twins that has had off field things
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  Speaker 2: going on right, left and right, the ownership situation, with
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  Speaker 2: the investors coming in, the firing of a manager, they
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  Speaker 2: can get to the budget at some point soon, you
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  Speaker 2: would think, if they haven't gotten to it already, I.
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  Speaker 1: Know how to get under the budget.
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  Speaker 3: Have a guy sign a sixteen million dollar contract that
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  Speaker 3: you didn't know he was going to pick the option
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  Speaker 3: up and he could be worth fifty million on the market.
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  Speaker 3: Can you talk about the Shane Bieber not fall out,
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  Speaker 3: because I think it's awesome for him if he's happy.
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  Speaker 3: But what you've heard from executives other teams around the
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  Speaker 3: league him accepting what we feel like is below market.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I wrote about this yesterday and I've heard consistently
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  Speaker 2: from executives since he decided to pick up his sixteen
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  Speaker 2: million dollar player option that this was one of the
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  Speaker 2: more stunning decisions they've seen, A bizarre decision, baffling decision
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  Speaker 2: by a player who just came off Tommy John surgery,
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  Speaker 2: eighteen months removed, but was very successful for the Blue
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  Speaker 2: Jays in the time that he pitched, and effectively what
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  Speaker 2: he did was take a one year, twelve million dollar
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  Speaker 2: deal because he had a four million dollar buyout if
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  Speaker 2: he declined the player option. So it was curious to
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  Speaker 2: a lot of people, and it remains curious now. Shane
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  Speaker 2: Bieber hasn't really spoken publicly at all about this yet
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  Speaker 2: what his motivations were. We do know that, like I said,
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  Speaker 2: he is eighteen months removed from Tommy John and it's
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  Speaker 2: a process, and he obviously was comfortable in Toronto, happy
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  Speaker 2: in Toronto, like all the Blue Jays players were, and
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  Speaker 2: their families. That's a big thing, and maybe that was
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  Speaker 2: a huge part of his decision, But he could have
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  Speaker 2: turned down the player option and perhaps negotiated a better
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  Speaker 2: deal with the Blue Jays. One question that has been
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  Speaker 2: raised by the executives was or is okay? Is Shane
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  Speaker 2: Bieber entirely healthy? Is there something going on there? There's
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  Speaker 2: no indication of that. And if you remember, in Game
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  Speaker 2: four of the World Series, he pitched really well, five
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  Speaker 2: and a third innings, one run, that was it. Picked
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  Speaker 2: Game seventy pitched him relief. He gave up the homer
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  Speaker 2: to Will Smith, but he was pitching on three days rest.
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  Speaker 2: It was his first relief appearance since twenty nineteen, at
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  Speaker 2: the end of a long grind for him, coming off
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  Speaker 2: Tommy John surgery. I wouldn't say that indicates a physical issue,
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  Speaker 2: but again, we don't know exactly what his thinking was.
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  Speaker 2: But as I wrote, until we hear from him and
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  Speaker 2: get a better read on this, there's gonna be a
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  Speaker 2: mystery about this. And it just remains curious to a
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  Speaker 2: lot of people that he did what he did, and
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: people say, oh, it's great, he took money to stay
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  Speaker 2: in a place he loved. Yes, I get that, but
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  Speaker 2: he could have stayed in a place he loved and
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  Speaker 2: probably got more money. And he certainly could have gotten
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  Speaker 2: a lot more money someplace else, assuming he's healthy. So
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  Speaker 2: while we all would love to paint this as an
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  Speaker 2: altruistic act of loyalty, and maybe it is, I'm not
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  Speaker 2: so sure that's the case. It just seems that there
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  Speaker 2: may be other things going on here. Ken.
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  Speaker 4: Speaking of former Sign Award winners who pitched the Blue
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  Speaker 4: Todays last year, Max Scherzer. You spoke to him. He
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  Speaker 4: says he wants to come back. He's forty one years old,
• 16:32
  Speaker 4: and look, he's a first ballot Hall of Famer, one
• 16:34
  Speaker 4: of the greatest pitchers of his generation. He also had
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: an ERA over five last year. He has not thrown
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: a hundred innings either of the last two seasons due
• 16:42
  Speaker 4: to injury. Realistically, what do you expect Max Scherzer's market
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: to look like?
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: That's a great question. Last year, Kyle, he earned fifteen
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: point five million from the Blue Jays, and that was
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: probably an overpay based on what happened. Right, he did
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: pitch great in the World Series. Maybe it was worth
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: it for that alone. But I would expect he's probably
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: a one year, maybe ten million dollar guy. Maybe it's
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: fifteen again. I don't know, but the dynamic with him
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: is interesting. Do the Blue Jays want him back to
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: the San Francisco Giants? Under his former pitching coach at Missouri,
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: Tony Vitello won him in kind of a pitching role, obviously,
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: but also a leadership role, kind of as a buffer
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: between the players and Vitello, or a guy who just explains,
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: hey is so this guy thinks he kind of serves
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: as his advocate in the clubhouse. That would seem to
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: me to make a lot of sense if you're the Giants.
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: So I do expect he is going to pitch again.
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: He says he's healthy, his thumb issue is behind him.
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: The question is where, and the question is how much.
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: He certainly has made a ton of money in his career.
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: He does not need to hold out for X dollars,
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: But at the same time, it's a respect question and
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: he's not going to want to play for a minor
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: league deal either. So we'll see how it plays out.
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: But I am pretty certain that Max Schurzer is going
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: to be in a maze juigue camp in spring training
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: and getting ready for his age forty one season.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: We will see what happened san Diego. Can Kyle Glazer
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: can facilitate the deal san Diego one year deal would
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: be perfect for him.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: San Diego needs starting pitching. I can't rule it out.
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: We will see what happens.
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: Ken.
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: Thank you so much for joining us, and everyone, please
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: don't forget to check out Fair Territory. Yesterday's episode is
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: out right now, and Ken will be back tomorrow with
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: a fresh episode at twelve thirty pm Eastern.
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: Camp.
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: All right, guys, so yesterday Ben Charrington spoke to reporters
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: and let everyone know that Paul Schemes will not be trained.
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: He will be a member of the Pittsburgh Pirates in
• 18:50
  Speaker 4: twenty twenty six. This is something that I think realistical.
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: We all knew, but people like to talk about it,
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: especially given the pirates unwillingness to spend agent. I'll start
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: with you, Paul Skiing remaining in Pittsburgh for at least
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: one more season. What are overall thoughts.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: It says in the twenty twenties. It just says in
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: the off season. It doesn't say it the trade deadline.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: It says in the off season. Okay, let's get it
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: because this will be what will happen if they do
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: get a great deal and they trade him, they'll be like, well,
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: we said we weren't trading him in the off season,
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: but we can get stuff for him. So I'm not
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: surprised they have to do this. Listen, They've already have
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: no good will right now. We talked about the Twins
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: earlier and how they don't have a lot of good
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: will with their fans. The pirates don't have a lot
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: of good will with their fans. When the fans are
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: chasing the owner through the concourse, you know, there's not
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: a lot of good will. So this is not a surprise.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: I think he will eventually get traded because he's gonna
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: price himself out of Pittsburgh. But the hero at this year,
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: he's only in his third year. He hasn't even got
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: the arbitration yet. Of course they're not trading him. He's
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: making the league minimum. He's the best deal in the world.
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: Ben Chington.
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: Ben Ben Charrington's response. Officially, you know, the question gets asked.
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: It's always respectful. Teams have to ask the question, right.
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: I suspect that won't end. But the answer has been
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: consistent and aj to your point, Paul Skins is making
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: the minimum. The Pirates still have team control over him
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: for the next four seasons. He's going to bring back
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: a Hall three years from now if it comes to it.
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: It's not like if they don't trade him now, they're
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: not going to get some massive package. So it does
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: make sense. Hey, you have this generational talent, build around them.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: This is the love that was funny Kyle. Yeah, that's why.
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: And that's why as laughing, like like, build around him
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: or have a plan. We talked about with Ken. Teams
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: have plans. Owners know how much money they're going to spend.
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: And I'm not even just talk about like money spending
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: with the Pirates here because they're not going to it's
• 20:48
  Speaker 3: what's your plan? When do you truly see your current
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: roster maturing developing being in the big leagues? It's Connor
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: Griffin going to be that guy? Is Connor Griffin going
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: to be Andrew Cutchen Because you have to you have
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: to look at the past and say, well, how did
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: we do it before? Because we got we got Andrew McCutcheon,
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: Neil Walker, Pedro Alvarez, guys that were coming up, and
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: then you supplemented some older minor league guys that ended
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: up doing well in there, like a Garrett Jones type,
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: And then you had Garrett Cole and you added Russell Martin,
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: you added aj Burnett like this is how you made
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: it to and Starling Marte was then a little bit
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: behind those guys.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: This is how you made it to the playoffs.
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: So if you truly want to win, which is a
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: little deep asque, I think there's a better chance Bob
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: Nutting wants to spend money then he wants to win.
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: But as a front office you gotta want to win.
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: At some point, why not say, Okay, Paul Skeen's is
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: gonna cost us ten Linsicum type of money and arbitration
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: because nobody's done what Paul Skeens is done besides linccom.
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: I think he had two syms before his arbitration, and
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: I think he signed for two forty million. Well you
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: know that ain't happening. So to me, Paul Skeens should
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: not be a Pirate after this season. Pirate fans might
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: get pissed at me, but I see it as if
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: I'm Ben Charrington, I want to say, what will put
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: us in the driver's seat to be in the playoffs
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: without ever getting any free agents. And to me, if
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: Juan Soto got a James Wood cj Abrams, Mackenzie Gore,
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: I forget Robert Haslin. I think he was the other
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: one in that deal, four of their current big leaguers.
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: Then what can the Pirates get for Paul Skeens if
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: they trade him after this next season because they don't
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: want to pay his arbitration money. Even if it is arbitration,
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: there's no good one year deal for the Pirates if
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: it's over ten million, and Paul Skeens is gonna get
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: a ton of money. So think outside the box. From
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: you're Sharrington, they're gonna fire you soon anyway because they
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: don't want to spend money and that's tough to win.
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: So do something outside the box.
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: So in terms of Paul Skins' future, again, ben Cherrington's
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: saying that they will not.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: Ben Rington doesn't want to. Ben Cherrington doesn't want to
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: be the guy that traded Paul Skeins because you know
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: what what happened to hein blue Heim Balloon's legacy. I
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: even know a lot of these guys are Heine Bloom
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: draft picks that are there now. He's the guy that
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: traded Mookie Bets. I understand that. But people don't look
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: at him blue and say, man, he drafted Anthony Meyern
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: Campbell and all these other guys. They're like, Oh, he's
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: the guy that traded Mookie Bets for Jeter Downs and
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: Connor Wong and whoever the heck else they got for him. Right,
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: that's the legacy, and that's for Ben Cherrington. If he's
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: the guy that has to trade Paul Skeins and all
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: the players he get back don't hit, that's gonna be
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: his lasting legacy and he's gonna have a hard time
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: finding another job.
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry, do it.
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: So if and when the Pirates do decide to make
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: a move. There's an interesting article in NJ Advanced Media
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: the other day. According to a Pirates teammate who spoke anonymously,
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: Skens has quote no confidence the Pirates are ever going
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: to win end quote with him in Pittsburgh, and he's
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: quote hoping for a trade end quote well before he
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: can become a free agent after the twenty twenty nine season.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: Quote.
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: Trust me, he wants to play for the Yankees. The
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: Skins teammates said I've heard him say it multiple times.
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: When asked, Ben Sherrington responded, I do dismiss it, but
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: I understand it. What we're going to focus on is
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: just how do we win games with him in a
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: Pirate's uniform? Future Paul Skins with the New York Yankees? Eric,
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: what do you think?
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: I mean New York Yankees.
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: They're like, yes, please, we'll take it. We would definitely
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: take of Paul Skins as with all twenty eight other teams,
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: because the Pirates have him right now. And for him
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: to say that to it from an anonymous source, I'm
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: not saying it's a lie that this person said it,
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: but you know, what was the context? Where would you
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: like to Where would you like to play? I want
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: to play somewhere where I'm freaking in the playoffs every
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: single year? And as a baseball don't you want Paul
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: Skins in the playoffs every year? Don't we want Mike
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: Trout in the playoffs every year? Like you talk about
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: wasting years of a player's career, He's gonna win another
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: Cy young and he's not sniffing the playoffs after May?
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: How is that? How is that good for baseball? It's
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: not So Paul Skeins is just saying the same thing
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: that every other that every other fan is saying. I mean,
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: I'm sure that some fans that are like, well I
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: don't want to see him go to the Yankees, Well,
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: you don't have a choice. The Yankees would sell the farm.
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: I talked to a scout that said, how hard would
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: it be? It would not be hard for a team
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: to trade for Paul Skins. It's hard for the Pirates
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: to trade Paul Skins because how do you even put
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: a value on what you're getting back? Like, and who's
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: to say, Like AJ said that each of those guys
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: is gonna hit, not just not just hitters but pitchers too,
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: who's to say each of those guys is going to
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: be a big league player. But yes, the Yankees would
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: love it. Yes, he would it because he wants to
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: be in the playoffs. You can see it, like sometimes
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: he comes off the field and he's like looking.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: Around, like, man, I would love to be winning this game.
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: But again, eleven runs in his ten in his ten losses, Like,
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: you're not You're not set up to win. Imagine what
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: this guy could do if he was put in a
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: situation where hey, we need you to go seven tonight.
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: Why oh, because we got to get the dub this.
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: He's built for this.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: I mean I played with Mark Burley. I played with
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: Mark Burley, right, he was he was always mister Cardinal.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: I want to play for the Cardinals. I want to
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: play for the Cardinals. He never went to the Cardinals
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: like I was. I was a Braves fan growing up, right.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: I finally got to play the Braves when I was
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: a free agent at the end of my career, and
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: they were dog crap, right, But I got to go
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: there and play there and it was awesome. But just
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: because like guys talk about this all the time, I
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: want to go here. I want to play here. I
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: want to But it doesn't always work unless you're a
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: free agent and they give you the best money. But
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: for someone like Skiens, he might not get to where
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: he goes until he becomes a free agent. So this
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: is just again who said it? You know, you put
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: your name on it.
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: One of the things with Skemes is he is not
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: the biggest personality. Right, He's pretty bland. There's not a
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: whole lot he's gonna say that's controversial, And we had
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: seen that type of personality really thrive with the New
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: York Yankees. You look at a Derek Jeter, you look
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: at an Aaron Judge, Eric, what do you think about
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: just his personality and how it would play in the
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: Big Apple. Because we know that talent's a big part
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: of it, but playing for the Yankees, it's a whole
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: different ballgame, and who you are as a person plays
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: a big, big role in how you're treated, both by
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: the fans on the media.
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: Hey, dude, plenty fine he gives. I mean when we
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: talked to him, I thought he was I thought he
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: was very personable. You know, he puts off this like
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: quiet persona. But when he was on our show, we
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: had a good time. He seemed to loosen up. But look,
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: if he was in the Big Apple right now, with
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: the career that he's had, there is nothing they could say,
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: There is no they would they will love this man
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: as long as he does well. There's there are no
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: players that do really well in the Big Apple that
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: fans are like, yeah, this guy's a bomb, Like yeah,
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: Aaron Judge becomes a bum in the playoffs because the
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: fans are like, yeah, you always got a hit in
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: the playoffs.
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: They're never pleased.
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: Paul Skeens has never had He hasn't had a blip
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: in the radar, so there's nothing for them to not
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: be pleased about. But I think it's to me as
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: demeanor looks. See it looks and seems obviously don't know
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: the guy, but it looks and seems like he would.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: He would thrive, there.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: No question about it.
• 28:37
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• 30:05
  Speaker 4: seasons in the Majors. Had a few very very productive
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: years with the Angels. Looked like he could have been
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: a long term piece for them. Ultimately just wasn't able
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  Speaker 4: way player. Clearly didn't quite work out, but again, all
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  Speaker 1: Congratulations on a great career. You gave it everything you had.
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  Speaker 1: He even tried to be a knuckleballer. It's not as
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: easy as people think. But congratulations on a great career.
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: I mean, cool, one hundred and one innings, eighteen starts
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: in the bushes. I mean he was throwing a knuckle
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: puck up there. So I don't know, I don't know.
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: I like, obviously somebody that bounced around from Triple A
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: to the big leagues to go back to be a
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: starting pitcher, and then you're like, hey, we need you
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: to go back to High A to start pitching and
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: learning pitching again. I'd be like, maybe I don't want
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: to go to pitching again.
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: Since both you guys were catchers, Eric, I want to
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: start with you. Is there a place for knuckleballers in
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: today's game with the emphasis on velocity.
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: If you get out, you get out.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: Yes, if your ball avoids hard contact one hundred percent,
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: there is a place for you. You don't have to throw
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: There's a dude on Twitter the other day. I think
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: he threw his knuckleball like eighty nine miles an hour.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: We don't need that. We don't need somebody throwing the
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: ball that hard like you're gonna hurt a catcher. Just
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: get that knuckle pup moving.
• 31:29
  Speaker 4: That's it, guys, A legend is being replaced. The Freeze
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• 31:36
  Speaker 4: in Atlanta a J. I want to ask you during
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: your tenure with the Braves, did you ever meet the Freeze?
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: Did you have any interactions with Oh?
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: Because he wasn't there because it was they weren't in
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: the new stadium, so they didn't have the Freeze. All
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: they had was the tool race. And if you haven't
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: seen the video of me dominating the tools and letting
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: two bit the drill win, you should google it because
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: it's amazing when I tackled Hammering and the rest of them.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: So he was not there, But I'm mad he was
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: not there because I would have liked to have watched
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: these people try and fail miserably to beat him. And
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  Speaker 1: it's a sad day. If they can't find a new Freeze,
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  Speaker 2: Now.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: People keep saying that I should do that. Nobody likes running,
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: even people that run, they don't like running. They're lying.
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: They're lying to you saying they like running. Nobody likes running.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: The list of requirements is interesting. On the job description.
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: Must be physically fit and in good health to endure
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: conditions including extreme high and low temperatures. Must be able
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: to run during the racetrack, beat the freeze on field promotion.
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: Previous mascot or athletic experience preferred, but not acquired. Rely
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: to interact with large crowds, families and children. It's a
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: pretty long job description with Look, this is something where
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: it's not just going to be hey, an Olympic sprinter.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: They want a lot yeah, and then they want a
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: lot of time and you have to be there and
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: you have to wear those tights too. I don't know
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: that I could pull off the tights. The tights would
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: be a problem, especially if it's cold. Man. I don't
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: want to be out there running running tights and tights only.
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: All right, guys. One of your fellow brethren, catcher Austin Nola,
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: signed a minor league contract this winter with the Braves,
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: but he's actually been granted his release to become the
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: Mariners new bullpen coach. Ah, I'll start with you in
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: this transition from behind the plate to a bullpen coach.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: What do you see?
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: What are the challenges, and just what do you make
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: of this news?
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: Great for Austin Nola. I mean, he probably wasn't gonna
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: make the Braves out of spring training, so you know
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: what he gets, he gets a guaranteed big league job.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: I don't know if he's gonna be on the pension
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: and all that stuff, but I think this is awesome.
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: Good for him. He played there, he played in Seattle,
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: so they know him. I think they like him, and
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: I think bullpen coach is the one job Cratzy that
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: is great. You know why, because they never fire the
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: bullpen coach. Bullpen coaches last forever if you're good at it.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: I mean, I had Rick stell Mazic in Minnesota. He
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: was there for like forty five years. He was there forever.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: And bullpen coaches they don't ever get fired. They just
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: I'm just gonna stand there with my clipboard and tell
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: whoever's coming andres munios when you come in. Though, that's
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: that Nobody can hit. Look how good I am.
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: And look at the last bullpen coach that got hired
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: out of Seattle, Steven Vote. He's now back to back
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: manager of the Year, So there's something in there. I
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: saw Austin last year in Boston and it was a
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: grind for him. He dealt with playing, he dealt with
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: concussions and it kind of got him out of the game.
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: He was like, you know, I was playing, I was
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: playing through these concussion symptoms and the sort of finally
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: get back to the big leagues last year. This is
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: this is awesome. We'll go from playing essentially in the
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: bushes to now coaching in the big leagues.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: Sweet.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: And also know why I got to cover him a
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: lot when he was in San Diego and one of
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: those guys that you could tell had to coaching future,
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: very very bright, natural leader all the way around. And
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: like you said, Ed Jay, bullpen coaches is a pretty
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: sweet gig. We just saw, you know, Ben Fritz got
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: a multi year extension from the Padres And again it's
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: a job that you rarely get fired, but sometimes you
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: can get that nice extension.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And does anybody know who most bullpen coaches are?
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: Does does anybody really pay attention to All they know is, Hey,
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: there's this guy that's standing there with the clipboard next
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: to the guy warming up, but he's just like, who
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: knows what he's saying. They can be talking about dinner, resort. Look,
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: I got reservations for the next road trip lined up.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: You want to see him? Maybe we can go together, right,
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: I mean, and they usually can throw BP. I'm assuming
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: Austin Olla cold throw some VP. They a lot of
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: bullpen coaches sometimes have to rub the balls up before, so,
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: I mean, they have duties, but kind of like the
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: assistant pitching coach a little bit too