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DIDDY DONE? GRAND JURY LOOMS · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace, money, power, privilege, excess wealth,
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Speaker 1: whatever you want, when you want it, how you want it,
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Speaker 1: Sean Puffy Comes. Of course I could be talking about
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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein. The two have very disturbing similarities, both using
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Speaker 1: their privilege, their fame, their fortune to mistreat and abuse
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Speaker 1: young women. If these allegations are true.
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Speaker 2: Sean Puffy Comes.
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Speaker 1: In the last hours, many comparisons have been made aid
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Speaker 1: to the disgraced, now dead financial guru Jeffrey Epstein, after
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Speaker 1: a very intricate web all built in order for him
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Speaker 1: to obtain, procure, and molest young girls, with a fleet
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Speaker 1: of people working for him. Hence person number one Julane Maxwell,
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Speaker 1: who is now behind bars. But think about it in
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Speaker 1: its power, wealth, prestige. No one around them speaking out ever,
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Speaker 1: traveling freely across the US, keeping homes in California, in
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Speaker 1: New York, in Florida, yachts that take them onto the
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Speaker 1: high seas outside of US jurisdiction and the international waters,
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Speaker 1: and important from my perspective right now, surveillance cameras.
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Speaker 2: According to sources.
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Speaker 1: There are literally hundreds and hundreds, if not thousands and
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Speaker 1: thousands of hours of surveillance video of Shawn Combs and
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Speaker 1: his staff committing wrongdoing this while one of the most
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Speaker 1: iconic music figures in our lifetime.
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Speaker 2: Shawn Combs has issued a statement.
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Speaker 1: Where he rails about character assassination and how he has
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Speaker 1: been mistreated. Let me tell you, as a crime victim
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Speaker 1: of myself, he doesn't know his rear end from a
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Speaker 1: hole in the ground if he's talking about his character
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Speaker 1: assassination with me and All Star panel to make sense
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Speaker 1: of what we know right now. But in the face
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Speaker 1: of an expanding a widening sex traffic investigation, I want
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Speaker 1: you to take a listen to our friend Dave mac
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Speaker 1: at Crime Online.
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Speaker 3: Shawn Combs, his girlfriend at the time for Lopez, and
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Speaker 3: rapper Jamal Shine Barrow were involved in a fight that
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Speaker 3: included shots being fired at a New York nightclub in
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Speaker 3: nineteen ninety nine. One of the victims of the shooting,
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Speaker 3: Natanya Rubin, has claimed all along that Sean Combe shot heard,
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Speaker 3: not Barrow, and she's willing to have doctors remove a
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Speaker 3: piece of bullet that is still in her face to
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Speaker 3: prove it. Shine Barrow took the heat for the shooting
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Speaker 3: and goes to prison for nearly nine years. While Colmbs
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Speaker 3: is acquitted of four counts of criminal possession of a
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Speaker 3: weapon in bribery, Lopez was never charged.
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Speaker 2: Wow, why do I.
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Speaker 1: Care what happened all the way back in nineteen ninety nine,
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Speaker 1: because that case is now being reopened, not necessarily for
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Speaker 1: a prosecution, as you will recall Sean Puppy Comb's was
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Speaker 1: it acquitted in gun charges steaming out of that incident.
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Speaker 2: But why do I care?
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Speaker 1: If it's reopened for a lot of different reasons. And
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Speaker 1: you're hearing that now, a woman allegedly involved in that shooting,
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Speaker 1: a nightclub shooting, is willing to have part of a
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Speaker 1: bullet dug out of her face. You're seeing shots of
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Speaker 1: Combs on Rolling Stone and Billboard.
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Speaker 2: A guy of.
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Speaker 1: This ilk with a fortune this immense, who will be
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Speaker 1: willing to speak out against him? With me an all
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Speaker 1: star panel to make sense of what we know right now?
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Speaker 1: But straight out to Kela Brantley, investigative reporter Dailymail dot Com,
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Speaker 1: he's on the story from the very beginning. If we're
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Speaker 1: going all the way back to a nineteen ninety nine incident,
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Speaker 1: and that's the best day's work j LO, Jennifer Lopez
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Speaker 1: ever did, and man. She is a superstar, is getting
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Speaker 1: rid of Sean Combs.
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Speaker 2: That did it.
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Speaker 1: She was a beautiful, talented, up and coming superstar making
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Speaker 1: her way in the entertainment business. She gets tied up
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Speaker 1: with Combs and all of a sudden people are shot.
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Speaker 1: Three sheh eating victims as I recall, at a nightclub
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Speaker 1: in New York and there she is hauled in to
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Speaker 1: the precinct.
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Speaker 2: Uh ah, bye bye.
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Speaker 1: Sadly, I don't think this case is going to end
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Speaker 1: as quickly as that one did for Tom's Caleb Brantley,
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Speaker 1: give me the latest.
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Speaker 4: So did he is acting Nancy like he is completely innocent.
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Speaker 4: He came out with that statement saying he will fight
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Speaker 4: to prove his innocence, and he's actually been out and
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Speaker 4: about in Miami acting like he is a perfectly man.
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Speaker 4: He was seen with his twin daughters golfing and then
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Speaker 4: stopping by a restaurant and seen by fans. He put
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Speaker 4: his signature L for brother Love up to the camera,
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Speaker 4: and then he was seen on a dock in Miami
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Speaker 4: over the weekend, shirtless in white swimming trunks, acting as
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Speaker 4: if he has no care in the world. So obviously,
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Speaker 4: here we're seeing somebody who hasn't taken fault for anything
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Speaker 4: and will continue to fight to prove his innocence.
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Speaker 1: You know, has he heard about the shooting victim that's
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Speaker 1: offered to have a bullet dug out of her face
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Speaker 1: in order to be used against Seawan Combs? I mean,
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Speaker 1: because that would worry me if a person that was
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Speaker 1: shot in the face by me or my hitch people
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Speaker 1: and they want to have the bullet dug out.
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Speaker 2: Now, all these.
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Speaker 1: Years later, I got to ask myself, why why now
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Speaker 1: that doesn't concern him?
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Speaker 4: Well, I mean, he's had a raid on his home
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Speaker 4: and on his two homes, and it seems like nothing
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Speaker 4: has faced him so far. So much so as on
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Speaker 4: Easter he posted a photo for the first time of
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Speaker 4: his young daughter just with the caption happy Easter baby
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Speaker 4: love and notably disabled the comments from that. And we
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Speaker 4: can understand, why.
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Speaker 1: Are you telling me that he's gone dad on his
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Speaker 1: social that's hard to believe.
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Speaker 4: Well, he did post the photo and again acts like
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Speaker 4: nothing's wrong, but he doesn't want any comments. You can
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Speaker 4: imagine what kind of comments would be posted under that photo.
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Speaker 1: You know. Also, in the past days, his son has
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Speaker 1: come out and demanded everyone quote stop the line. I
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Speaker 1: guess he thinks the Feds are lying and all of
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Speaker 1: their claims.
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Speaker 2: Take a listen to this.
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Speaker 3: The Comb's investigation is drawing comparisons to that of Jeffrey
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Speaker 3: Epstein after Rodney Little Rod Jones lawsuit was filed. Jones
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Speaker 3: accuses Combs of sexually assaulting him and other victims on
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Speaker 3: multiple occasions. Comb's yacht is also drawing comparisons to Jeffrey Epstein,
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Speaker 3: as Combs is accused of luring victims onto a yacht
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Speaker 3: he rents for trips to the Virgin Islands and sexually
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Speaker 3: assaulting guests on the yacht with me.
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Speaker 1: As I said, an all star paneling. Right now, we're
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Speaker 1: going to break it down. Nobody thought that Jeffrey Epstein
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Speaker 1: would ever go to jail. Prince Andrew Didton, I'm not
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Speaker 1: a Republican and I'm not a Democrat, but I can
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Speaker 1: guarantee you when Clint was taking a walk with Epstein
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Speaker 1: in front of God and everybody, I bet he didn't
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Speaker 1: ever think Epstein's going to jail. About all those high
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Speaker 1: powered politicos, royalty, you name it, never believe that their
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Speaker 1: good friend Jeffrey Epstein will not only go to jail
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Speaker 1: but end up killing himself according to reports over sex claims.
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Speaker 2: Is that what we're seeing now.
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Speaker 1: I want the panel to hear this and jump in
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Speaker 1: to you. Nima Romani joining me, a former federal prosecutor,
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Speaker 1: which is what I'm interested in right now, also the
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Speaker 1: president of West Coast trial Lawyers and high profile trial
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Speaker 1: attorney in that jurisdiction, and even think about it, nobody
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Speaker 1: ever thought Epstein would go down, right, But look at
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Speaker 1: the comparisons. I'm very intrigued by the fact that they
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Speaker 1: both used yachts. They both would travel into international waters
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Speaker 1: to wrongfully.
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Speaker 2: Do their deeds.
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Speaker 1: Now, all of this amounts to allegations against comes. Nothing
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Speaker 1: has been proven. It has been proven against Epstein. Private
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Speaker 1: planes taking them again into international waters outside the US jurisdiction.
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Speaker 1: That does not mean the long arm of the law
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Speaker 1: cannot reach them, but their modes of travel. Remember that
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Speaker 1: the so called Lolita expressed that Epstein used and had
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Speaker 1: a lot of high profile politicians and stars on his
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Speaker 1: plane that he would take to his private island. The
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Speaker 1: homes that I find very interesting Nema Romani are in California, Florida,
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Speaker 1: and New York and beyond.
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Speaker 2: Why why is that.
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Speaker 1: Apparently their choice of where these activities and if faerious
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Speaker 1: activities are taking place, we got to examine that, Nima.
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Speaker 1: What is interesting about that also is the use of
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Speaker 1: hidden cameras, we believe and according to a witness, is
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Speaker 1: catching literally thousands of hours of what could be states
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Speaker 1: exhibit number one jump in.
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Speaker 5: Nina Epstein case.
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Speaker 6: You have to give credit to the victims like Virginia Jeuffree,
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Speaker 6: who wouldn't let the story go after alex Acosta gave
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Speaker 6: him a sweetheart deal. And here really it started with
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Speaker 6: Cassie Venture and then others have come forward. Now we
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Speaker 6: know that abusers, people that sexually abused young women, they
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Speaker 6: often use intermediaries or others to groom the victims.
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Speaker 5: And obviously we know about Elane Maxwell.
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Speaker 6: But here you have is chief of staff Diddy's chief
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Speaker 6: of staff, Christina Horam, who's alleged and named in Little
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Speaker 6: Rod's lawsuit. And of course he is really the impetus
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Speaker 6: for I think these search warns. He's the one that
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Speaker 6: talked about these hidden cameras throughout the residencies. He's the
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Speaker 6: one who identified names of other rich and powerful people
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Speaker 6: like Cuba Gooding Junior, who are allegedly involved in all this.
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Speaker 6: So we know that Diddy had a lot of connections
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Speaker 6: here in Los Angeles where I will live in Miami
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Speaker 6: and New York business connections, and I wouldn't be surprised
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Speaker 6: if these allegations are proven. Nancy, there's other rich and
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Speaker 6: famous people who are involved in this, much like Jeffrey Epstein.
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Speaker 1: Man. We never heard anything more about those so call
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Speaker 1: hidden cameras in Epstein's place, we never really heard everything
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Speaker 1: in the little black book full of names and clients. Accordingly,
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Speaker 1: in Giselle Maxwell's possession, Will that be the same here?
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Speaker 1: Is anybody actually going to prosecute comes Because we've heard
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Speaker 1: a lot about searches and raids by home security investigators.
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Speaker 2: Where's the charge? Because Nima, I was.
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Speaker 1: Fed for three years and you were fed much longer
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Speaker 1: than that. When the state moves on a search warrant,
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Speaker 1: they've got you. They got you by the let me
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Speaker 1: think of a nice way to say it, by the
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Speaker 1: short hairs, it's over. By the time they pull up
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Speaker 1: on your block, it's done. You might as well start
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Speaker 1: working on a guilty plea, right then, So what's the
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Speaker 1: whole Why are we hearing all about the raids and
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Speaker 1: then there's no charge.
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Speaker 6: Oh, I think the indictment is happening any day now, Nancy,
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Speaker 6: and you're right, times are changing.
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Speaker 5: You know what was tolerated before.
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Speaker 6: The Epstein's are Kelly's of the world, Weinstein's, you name it.
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Speaker 5: I mean they are going down.
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Speaker 6: I mean this is something that federal prosecutors are now
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Speaker 6: taking very seriously.
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Speaker 5: We know the Southern District of New York is quarterbacking.
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Speaker 6: They're the best of the best, so they have probable
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Speaker 6: cause a PC to get search warrants executed by a
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Speaker 6: federal judge.
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Speaker 5: And I wouldn't be surprised if they're presenting the case
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Speaker 5: to the grand jury this week.
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Speaker 6: You know did he may seem comfortable on social media
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Speaker 6: and the shorts and golfing, but he's likely going to
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Speaker 6: be arrested in a matter of days.
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Speaker 1: Leave it.
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Speaker 2: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: Guys, right now is an indictment prepared and ready to
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Speaker 1: take to a vote for a grand jury with me
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Speaker 1: and all Star pall But I'm going to run right
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Speaker 1: back to Nima Romani.
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Speaker 2: This is how it works.
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Speaker 1: We've all heard the phrase you could get a grand
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Speaker 1: jury to a diet a ham Sandwich.
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Speaker 2: I don't know if that's true.
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Speaker 1: But I can tell you this, whoever is leading the
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Speaker 1: grand jury, and I present it to a grand jury
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Speaker 1: for months and months and months, you bring in typically
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Speaker 1: one witness, if you can, one witness, preferably the lead investigator,
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Speaker 1: and they give a recap to the grand jury, which typically,
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Speaker 1: depending on the jurisdiction, is twenty to forty ish people
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Speaker 1: on the voter registration that live in that jurisdiction i e.
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Speaker 1: That county or that district. They listened to the witness,
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Speaker 1: They rarely ask questions, sometimes they do, and then the
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Speaker 1: witness leaves bam vote. That's called a true bill or
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Speaker 1: an indictment. If they decide not to indict, which is
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Speaker 1: probably at the request of the prosecutor, it's a no.
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Speaker 2: Bill, no bill of indictment.
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Speaker 1: Are you telling me, Nima Romani, you believe the indictment,
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Speaker 1: the federal grand jury indictment has already been drawn up,
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Speaker 1: in other words, typed out with all the counts and
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Speaker 1: it's waiting for a grand jury presentment or vote or
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Speaker 1: to be made public.
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Speaker 6: Oh, Nancy, I do that indictment has been drafted. If
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Speaker 6: you're the FEDS, you don't go into someone's home like
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Speaker 6: Diddy unless you're ready to indict. And this is why,
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Speaker 6: first of all, we saw that armed law enforcement president.
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Speaker 6: The violence may ensue, but from a legal perspective, from
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Speaker 6: a case perspective, people may disappear, they may flee the jurisdiction,
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Speaker 6: and evidence may be destroyed. Those search ones are the
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Speaker 6: final step of the investigation because when you're the FEDS,
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Speaker 6: you have the luxury of waiting. When you're conducting these
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Speaker 6: proactive investigations, you're not reacting to law enforcement already arresting
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Speaker 6: someone and your stuff with the case. You have the
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Speaker 6: luxury of making sure that all those witnesses are interviewed,
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Speaker 6: maybe they're put in front of the grand jury. You
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Speaker 6: have all the accounts in everything you need because once
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Speaker 6: you execute that search work, you put your target on notice,
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Speaker 6: and you don't want to do that until you're ready.
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Speaker 6: And I believe the US Attorney's Office in the Southern
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Speaker 6: District of New York is ready right now to prosecute.
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Speaker 1: To Robert Crispin joining me, former Federal Task Force Officer
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Speaker 1: for USDJ, that's Department of Justice with the DEA in
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Speaker 1: the Miami Field Division.
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Speaker 2: Never a lack of business there.
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Speaker 1: Former homicide and Crimes against Children investigator now at Crispininvestigations
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Speaker 1: dot com.
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Speaker 2: Robert one question for now, do.
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Speaker 1: You think all the people we just showed all that
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Speaker 1: flow to chart aren't begging to sing for a plea deal?
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Speaker 2: I mean, I'd have my lawyer on the phone yesterday
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Speaker 2: working a.
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Speaker 1: Deal so I wouldn't spend the next fifty years in
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Speaker 1: the penitentiary.
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Speaker 7: Listen, they know it's coming, and they're trying to get
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Speaker 7: the best seat in the house, and they're going to
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Speaker 7: these prosecutors saying, what can I give you. Let's sit down,
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Speaker 7: let's talk, because those chairs are going to fill up
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Speaker 7: really fast once this thing starts to unwind and once
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Speaker 7: people start getting arrested. But if I can back up
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Speaker 7: just two seconds about that search worm. You know, I'm
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Speaker 7: not real sure that indictment is going to come out
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Speaker 7: this quickly because there's a lot of electronics that were taken,
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Speaker 7: and I will tell you from doing multiple federal search
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Speaker 7: worms and taking a lot of electronic devices, that stuff
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Speaker 7: takes time to go through. Systematically, you got to retrieve
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Speaker 7: data that's been deleted, and ironically, the hidden cameras that
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Speaker 7: were in you know, in Diddy's house are probably going
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Speaker 7: to be the same cameras that are going to sink him.
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Speaker 2: Crispin.
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Speaker 1: You see, the Fans haven't done everything you just said
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Speaker 1: except the cameras, because that they've gotten the cameras comes.
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Speaker 1: I know you're on a first name basis with Sean P. Combs,
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Speaker 1: but that said, I'm not Combs and his staff would
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Speaker 1: know if those cameras have been seized off a yacht
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Speaker 1: or at his locations where he lives his domiciles.
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Speaker 2: We don't know that yet.
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Speaker 1: But everything you just talked about, I guarantee you the
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Speaker 1: Feds have done. I would not be surprised if they
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Speaker 1: haven't been wiretapping him. I mean, they go all the way, Crispin,
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Speaker 1: as you well know from your prior investigations, and I'm
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Speaker 1: telling you, they would not have made a public raid,
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Speaker 1: a simultaneous raid with assault weapons if they were not
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Speaker 1: ready on their indictment. Those raids were used to support
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Speaker 1: the indictment they've already drawn up. When I say drawn up,
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Speaker 1: it's because you a person writes out the indictment. They
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Speaker 1: may then later type it, but you write out the
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Speaker 1: charges you think you can prove and then you support
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Speaker 1: it with the evidence. I guarantee you they've got the
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Speaker 1: indictment ready to go. They're either waiting on a vote
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Speaker 1: or they've already had a grand jury vote and they're
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Speaker 1: waiting to go public.
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Speaker 2: That's what I think is happening. Now. What is the fallout?
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Speaker 1: How comes behaving because a jury could take into account
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Speaker 1: what occurred before, during, and after. To doctor John Delatroy
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Speaker 1: joining me, a psychologist mediator specializing in forensic psychology, a
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Speaker 1: witch hunt, you know, that's what always happens. When you
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Speaker 1: have the crap coming at you, what do you do?
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Speaker 1: You put it in a ball and you throw it
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Speaker 1: back like a snowball at whoever threw it to start with.
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Speaker 1: That's what's happening here, witch hunt. It's like, focus off
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Speaker 1: all the evidence and focus on me. I'm being persecuted.
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Speaker 2: That's what that is.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, that's one hundred percent what that is. And that's
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Speaker 8: part of being that That's part of the motif, right,
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Speaker 8: the thematic elements that it means to be an abuser
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Speaker 8: is making the other person the victims, whoever it is
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Speaker 8: that that's coming after you, making them the villains, because
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Speaker 8: in your mind, you haven't done anything wrong. Now we
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Speaker 8: don't know how he is actually responding when there aren't
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Speaker 8: cameras around. I'm pretty sure he's furious in contacting his
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Speaker 8: attorney about getting this thing fixed because in his mind,
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Speaker 8: he's been able to get away with this for so
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Speaker 8: long that he's forgotten that all of this stuff is abusive.
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Speaker 8: He's forgotten all that stuff is unlawful. He doesn't care
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Speaker 8: that all of this stuff has hurt so many people,
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Speaker 8: and he's contributed to so many further abuses of individuals
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Speaker 8: who've probably already been abused in their lives. I didn't
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Speaker 8: care about any of that stuff. The only thing he
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Speaker 8: ever cared about was himself and what he could get
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Speaker 8: from other people.
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Speaker 1: But does everybody around Sean Combs know that they don't
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Speaker 1: want to say? In a career that has been marked
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Speaker 1: by murder, untimely death and prison, now finally are we
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Speaker 1: at the point where a green jury indictment is going
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Speaker 1: to be handed down.
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Speaker 2: If you saw him in the last few days.
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Speaker 1: You think Sean Puffy p Diddy Combs has not a
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Speaker 1: care in the world. I don't know if that's true,
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Speaker 1: joining me Kila Brantley, investigator reporter, Dailymail, dot com. But
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Speaker 1: first to Shannon Henry, president and founder of SAS SASS
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Speaker 1: Surviving Assault Standing Strong, a nonprofit whose mission is to
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Speaker 1: eradicate sex trafficking in violence against women and girls globally.
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Speaker 1: Shannon Henry, I know that a lot of times SaaS,
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Speaker 1: your group deals with pimps, sex trafficking, massage parlors, nail parlors,
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Speaker 1: where you unearthed the dregs of society taking advantage of
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Speaker 1: underage girls and women that can't speak for themselves. I
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Speaker 1: guess it's pretty rare that you get a media and
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Speaker 1: music mogul, literally a music icon in your crosshairs.
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Speaker 2: But what can you tell us about pri.
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Speaker 1: Or incidents we're mentioning on Tommy death, shooting, prison what
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Speaker 1: so sure?
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Speaker 2: Nancy? Thank you?
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Speaker 9: It's you know, we've worked with twenty thousand women on
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Speaker 9: four different continents, and when you're looking at the playbook,
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Speaker 9: whether it's Epstein or Cosby or anyone else, there are
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Speaker 9: certain criteria that they hit. Now we know that with
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Speaker 9: Sean things have been riddled with violence, with grooming, with intimidation,
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Speaker 9: physical violence, guns, pornography, underage girls, like you said, promises,
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Speaker 9: sexual violence and abuse, emotional abuse, and his circle of
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Speaker 9: Croony's who I call his buddyguards that he pays off
21:48
Speaker 9: to keep everything quiet and intimidate other people in order
21:51
Speaker 9: to maintain control. But we do know about two incidents
21:55
Speaker 9: that have occurred also where there have been shootings, whether
21:59
Speaker 9: it was at the night club or it was at
22:01
Speaker 9: the recording studio. It just seems like no matter where
22:04
Speaker 9: he is New York, LA, the Virgin Islands, Miami, whether
22:10
Speaker 9: he's on a yacht or he's in a car, or
22:12
Speaker 9: he's at the studio, bad things happen when he's around.
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Speaker 1: We're seeing blood and evidence of some sort of a struggle.
22:21
Speaker 1: Does that have something to do with his son, Justin's
22:24
Speaker 1: friend it?
22:24
Speaker 5: Does?
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Speaker 9: They call him mister G inside what happened? Sure, so
22:29
Speaker 9: there was an argument. This is all according to Little Rod,
22:33
Speaker 9: and it was in his court documents when all of
22:36
Speaker 9: this came to be. He was sitting about two feet
22:39
Speaker 9: from the incident. He heard yelling. Sean and his son
22:43
Speaker 9: were in a room along with mister g and then
22:47
Speaker 9: when they came out it was clear that there was blood.
22:49
Speaker 9: He heard the gunshots. He was afraid for his own life,
22:52
Speaker 9: tried to help, according to the documents, and was told
22:56
Speaker 9: not to. This man was bleeding from several areas in
23:00
Speaker 9: his body. The police were called to come in and help,
23:04
Speaker 9: but the ambulance stayed several blocks away, according to the documents,
23:08
Speaker 9: again because they were worried about an active shooter, because
23:11
Speaker 9: they were told that this was a drive by guys.
23:14
Speaker 1: I want you to take a listen to aubre O Day,
23:17
Speaker 1: Uncle Luke and Kat Williams speaking out.
23:20
Speaker 2: Listen.
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Speaker 10: I wasn't willing to do what was expected of me,
23:28
Speaker 10: not talent wise, but in other areas.
23:31
Speaker 1: So what was expected of her? You're hearing aubre O
23:35
Speaker 1: Day of making the band three? Caleb Brantley, What is
23:39
Speaker 1: she talking about? I wasn't willing to do what was
23:42
Speaker 1: expected of me, not talent wise, but other areas well.
23:46
Speaker 4: Now, with these allegations, you can infer that it was
23:48
Speaker 4: likely something sexual and like Aubrey O' day and like
23:52
Speaker 4: to meet Gray, these are stories that you're probably going
23:55
Speaker 4: to hear a lot more of people are going to
23:57
Speaker 4: come out with their own stories of Diddy. And it's
24:00
Speaker 4: very interesting because that does remind me of Jeffrey Epstein
24:03
Speaker 4: and it does remind me of Harvey Weinstein in that
24:07
Speaker 4: this was all just an open secret that in these
24:10
Speaker 4: Hollywood elite circles people knew of this behavior. But of
24:14
Speaker 4: course there's intimidation tactics. Of course there's alleged blackmail. So
24:20
Speaker 4: we will likely hear many more stories. But it just
24:23
Speaker 4: depends if these people are willing to come forward when
24:26
Speaker 4: it matters most.
24:27
Speaker 1: But I want to focus on what we're hearing. Cayla
24:30
Speaker 1: Brantley joining us from dailymail dot Com. In the last
24:34
Speaker 1: forty eight hours, fifty Cents Fitty has gone crazy on
24:38
Speaker 1: social media.
24:39
Speaker 2: Why so?
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Speaker 4: Fifty Cents ex Daphne Joy. They share a twelve year
24:43
Speaker 4: old son together. She was named in the Little Rod
24:46
Speaker 4: lawsuit as a sex worker for Ditty and fifty Cent
24:50
Speaker 4: They are not on good terms. He has been trolling
24:53
Speaker 4: Ditty since this began, and now he's come out hitting
24:57
Speaker 4: out against his ex Daphne Joy, which she has completely denied.
25:02
Speaker 4: So now even more players are getting involved.
25:05
Speaker 1: I'm just wondering name of Romani, all the people that
25:08
Speaker 1: say they're not willing to speak out, for instance, the
25:13
Speaker 1: one backup singer who says she doesn't want to talk
25:15
Speaker 1: about it. Not that I blame her, but these are
25:18
Speaker 1: people that are going to get called to grand jury
25:21
Speaker 1: because they're out there, they're putting it on social media.
25:24
Speaker 2: That's low hanging fruit for the feds.
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Speaker 6: Oh, there's no question they're going to get grand jury
25:28
Speaker 6: subpoenas and whether they want to or not, they're going
25:32
Speaker 6: to have to testify.
25:33
Speaker 5: So obviously, if you're a prosecutor, you want to be.
25:35
Speaker 6: Sensitive to a victim of sex abuse, and to the
25:39
Speaker 6: extent that you don't need them, maybe you don't put
25:42
Speaker 6: them in front of a trial jury. But a grand
25:45
Speaker 6: jury is a secret proceeding meeting with prosecutors. Those meetings
25:49
Speaker 6: happen behind closed doors. So that's going to happen, whether
25:52
Speaker 6: the victim wants to or not.
25:53
Speaker 1: You know a lot of people rail Nama Romani against
25:56
Speaker 1: quote secret grand jury proceedings. There's there's nothing at all
26:02
Speaker 1: unconstitutional about a secret grand jury proceeding. Hearsay is allowed
26:06
Speaker 1: in grand jury proceedings, as you just correctly pointed out.
26:10
Speaker 1: Hearsay is not allowed in front of a Pettitt jury,
26:13
Speaker 1: which is a jury of twelve or eight smaller petite jury. Uh,
26:18
Speaker 1: and the rules of evidence come into play. They're not
26:20
Speaker 1: in play at a grand jury. So what happens at
26:24
Speaker 1: the grand jury may remain secret forever, although at some
26:28
Speaker 1: point the defense has access to the grand jury transcript
26:32
Speaker 1: so they can see who, what, where, why when occurred
26:36
Speaker 1: in the grand jury proceedings. I want you to now
26:40
Speaker 1: listen to Uncle luke on We in Miami a lot.
26:44
Speaker 10: Oh no, not really.
26:45
Speaker 2: I will go to the party and leave early. I
26:48
Speaker 2: don't know what goes on after.
26:50
Speaker 9: Part after I was buddy, he wasn't trying to find out.
26:53
Speaker 2: I does anybody on this panel believe that? What about it? Delatory?
27:00
Speaker 1: There You've got aug luke on We and Miami who's
27:03
Speaker 1: partying with Diddy and goes, well, you know, I'll leave
27:07
Speaker 1: early and I go home and read a book.
27:09
Speaker 2: Be ass. Nobody left early.
27:11
Speaker 1: Did you see those party pictures? Nobody's leaving. That's what
27:15
Speaker 1: I call a witness.
27:17
Speaker 8: Yeah, it doesn't look like anybody is leaving early. Although
27:19
Speaker 8: I can kind of see sort of part of where
27:21
Speaker 8: this joke is, where it's an open secret, where they're
27:24
Speaker 8: starting to say, listen, I already know that this guy
27:27
Speaker 8: is a bad guy. I don't want to be lumped
27:29
Speaker 8: in with all of this stuff, so I'm just going
27:31
Speaker 8: to keep my mouth closed. I'm going to keep my
27:33
Speaker 8: eyes closed. I'm not going to say anything because in
27:36
Speaker 8: some instances there might be retribution to be paid if
27:40
Speaker 8: you started saying things out of turn. Maybe not maybe
27:43
Speaker 8: not now, but certainly back then, when Diddy still had
27:47
Speaker 8: some power and influence and can and do these kinds
27:51
Speaker 8: of things. We see violence and shooting is outside of
27:54
Speaker 8: Ditty's realm. So it's certainly possible that some of these
27:57
Speaker 8: people are saying this kind of stuff in order to
27:59
Speaker 8: keep themselves sick delatory.
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Speaker 2: I don't know what you're saying.
28:02
Speaker 1: When Combs did have power influence, He's got power and
28:06
Speaker 1: influence right now, He's estimated worth is over one billion dollars,
28:13
Speaker 1: and everyone seemingly is afraid to speak out. You've got
28:17
Speaker 1: these lawsuits which really cracked the case wide open.
28:21
Speaker 2: But this is a.
28:22
Speaker 1: Guy who has an empire, a clothing line, a liquor line,
28:29
Speaker 1: a founder of bad Boy Records, millions and millions of
28:33
Speaker 1: dollars of property holdings.
28:37
Speaker 2: Although I read Keela Brantley.
28:38
Speaker 1: This weekend, he is up to his neck and hot
28:42
Speaker 1: to over one hundred million dollars on all of his
28:46
Speaker 1: properties around the world.
28:47
Speaker 2: What do you know?
28:48
Speaker 7: So?
28:48
Speaker 4: Dailymail dot Com revealed that he actually took out eight
28:51
Speaker 4: mortgages for his three properties, one in Los Angeles which
28:54
Speaker 4: was rated, and is two side by side mansions in
28:57
Speaker 4: Miami which we're also rated. Now he owes over one
29:02
Speaker 4: hundred and forty million dollars, is what he took out,
29:05
Speaker 4: and he still owes one hundred million dollars on them roughly,
29:08
Speaker 4: and these have to be paid out within the next
29:11
Speaker 4: few years, if not, you know, from now until the
29:14
Speaker 4: next ten years. And obviously now he's up to his
29:17
Speaker 4: neck in legal fees that he will be having to
29:20
Speaker 4: pay soon. So unclear what he's going to do about that,
29:23
Speaker 4: but he is allegedly a billionaire, but we'll see when
29:27
Speaker 4: the time comes.
29:34
Speaker 2: Crime stories with Nancy Grace, a lot has.
29:39
Speaker 1: Been made about trafficking allegations in the last forty eight hours.
29:43
Speaker 1: Sean Puffy Comes aka Diddy seems to be unaffected. This
29:49
Speaker 1: is what I would do right now, Nima Romani, if
29:52
Speaker 1: I are prosecuting this case, they haven't already done it,
29:54
Speaker 1: and I imagine that they have. I would get the
29:56
Speaker 1: hitch person who is allegedly bond, the hitch person and
30:04
Speaker 1: the drug meal one of comes as alleged drug meals.
30:09
Speaker 1: I would get the two of them, and I would
30:11
Speaker 1: get them in a room, not together, of course, and
30:14
Speaker 1: I would offer them a deal in order to get
30:18
Speaker 1: testimony and eyewitness accounts of anything and everything they could
30:22
Speaker 1: tell me. What about it, Nina, You're gonna have to
30:25
Speaker 1: have I mean it comes has already walked. He was
30:28
Speaker 1: acquitted on guns charges, right, he has tremendous popularity.
30:33
Speaker 2: With a jury.
30:35
Speaker 1: You have to have eyewitness, credible eyewitness testimony to back
30:40
Speaker 1: up your evidence if you want to win this case.
30:42
Speaker 2: Corroboration.
30:43
Speaker 6: Well, answer, that's exactly how you prosecute any criminal enterprise.
30:47
Speaker 6: You flip the lower level people and you work your
30:50
Speaker 6: way up the organization. And that graphic was there, and
30:52
Speaker 6: so we know the alleged drug meal Paul. I mean
30:55
Speaker 6: he has to safety valve, which means he has to
30:58
Speaker 6: profer truthfully.
30:59
Speaker 5: Otherwise he's looking at a mandatory minimum sentence. Obviously bond.
31:03
Speaker 6: If you're caught up in sex trafficking, a conspiracy to
31:06
Speaker 6: sex traffic minors, or produced child pornography, you're looking at
31:10
Speaker 6: ten or fifteen year mandatory minimum sentence. Is the only
31:14
Speaker 6: way he's going to get out from that.
31:15
Speaker 5: Is if he cooperates.
31:17
Speaker 6: So you're right, Nancy Stures love celebrities, and he's got
31:20
Speaker 6: a very good lawyer, Aaron Dyer. I used to work
31:22
Speaker 6: with him. He's a former AUSA, so he's not going
31:25
Speaker 6: to take any type of deal. So if you're going
31:28
Speaker 6: to processcute this case as the FEDS, you got to
31:31
Speaker 6: make sure you flip all those other individuals and make
31:34
Speaker 6: them testify against your real target, and that's Shan Colms.
31:38
Speaker 1: Now to Quila Brantley, investigative reporter joining us from Dailymill
31:41
Speaker 1: dot com. Kel, we're talking about grand jury proceedings, which
31:44
Speaker 1: I believe have probably already taken place.
31:46
Speaker 2: But if they.
31:46
Speaker 1: Haven't, who is a single witness you believe the state
31:50
Speaker 1: would call to testify in front of a grand jury?
31:52
Speaker 4: I think the best witness here would be Cassie. She
31:55
Speaker 4: was his girlfriend for ten years, with obvious intimate knowledge
31:59
Speaker 4: of how he works, all the ins and outs. They
32:01
Speaker 4: must have lived together, and she really was the catalyst
32:04
Speaker 4: that really set all of this out. Once she filed
32:08
Speaker 4: her lawsuit. It was then that three other women came forward,
32:12
Speaker 4: that lil Rod came forward, who would also make an excellent,
32:15
Speaker 4: excellent witness. So if I had to pick one, I
32:18
Speaker 4: would say, Cassie's the way to go, guys is.
32:20
Speaker 1: Caleb Brantley joining US investigative reporter dailymail dot com. Shannon
32:24
Speaker 1: Henry joining as president and founder of Surviving Assault Standing
32:27
Speaker 1: Strong Way In Shannon, I also.
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Speaker 9: Want people to understand that these people that are coming
32:33
Speaker 9: forward are so extremely brave. There is no promise on
32:37
Speaker 9: the return of their disclosure. They're risking everything, their reputation,
32:41
Speaker 9: their career, their assets, their sleep, their family, their friends,
32:46
Speaker 9: everything hangs in the balance, and that I hope that
32:50
Speaker 9: when it does come down to that moment where these
32:54
Speaker 9: people are able to be heard and their voices are
32:57
Speaker 9: able to be listened to, that the things that often
33:02
Speaker 9: people use against survivors, things like drug and alcohol use,
33:07
Speaker 9: which is a coping mechanism, not necessarily a healthy one,
33:10
Speaker 9: but it is a coping mechanism, and their gaps in recall,
33:14
Speaker 9: which just proves that they were trying to survive something
33:17
Speaker 9: really traumatic and logic was shut down in that moment.
33:20
Speaker 9: I hope that all of this will be used not
33:23
Speaker 9: only to honor these people for what they've done and
33:26
Speaker 9: how they've come forward, but to prove the guilty party
33:31
Speaker 9: is Diddy and the croonies that he surrounded himself.
33:34
Speaker 2: With Shannon Henry.
33:35
Speaker 1: We've been talking about responses from Combs's camp. We've been
33:40
Speaker 1: talking about potential grand juror witnesses with me.
33:44
Speaker 2: Here in the studio, Jackie Howard, Jackie. What more do
33:46
Speaker 2: you know?
33:47
Speaker 11: Ashton Kutcher and Sean Diddy Colmbs have a long standing
33:51
Speaker 11: friendship spanning more than twenty years, But don't expect the
33:54
Speaker 11: actor to voice his support as he did for that
33:58
Speaker 11: seventy show co star and Masterson. Masterson was charged and
34:02
Speaker 11: convicted with raping two women. Sources tell dailymil dot com
34:07
Speaker 11: that now wife Miela Cunas will not allow any comment
34:10
Speaker 11: about possible charges against Colm'skutcher and colmb's friendship began during
34:16
Speaker 11: Kutcher's punked days, when Colmb's called the actor, asserting that
34:20
Speaker 11: punking him would not be a good idea. The pair
34:23
Speaker 11: have supported each other's ventures since, including Colm's cologne launch.
34:28
Speaker 11: Insiders also say Kutcher is expecting a subpoena due to
34:32
Speaker 11: their close relationship.
34:33
Speaker 1: One thing that scotten lost in the sauce is what
34:37
Speaker 1: sex attack victims go through when you're essentially coerced. It
34:42
Speaker 1: may not be beaten, but you're coerced into unwanted sex acts.
34:50
Speaker 2: Many women never make a.
34:52
Speaker 1: Comeback from that, Like you heard the one woman earlier
34:59
Speaker 1: saying she she can't even talk about it, she doesn't
35:02
Speaker 1: want to remember it because she's trying to be happy.
35:07
Speaker 2: And you know what I hate, Shan, I hate when.
35:10
Speaker 1: Somebody ether blue brings up to me my fiancees murder.
35:14
Speaker 1: I hate that why because I can be having a
35:17
Speaker 1: perfectly happy day with my two children that I have
35:21
Speaker 1: now that thought I would never have, and then suddenly
35:24
Speaker 1: it's like somebody throws a bucket of wet, ice cold
35:27
Speaker 1: bucket of ice, cold water right in my face. It
35:32
Speaker 1: reminds me of the worst thing, one of the worst
35:36
Speaker 1: things that has ever happened to me. They don't want
35:38
Speaker 1: to talk about it, they don't want to remember it.
35:41
Speaker 2: It's so traumatic. Explain it.
35:43
Speaker 1: You may be on a yacht, you may be giving
35:45
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of money, but it doesn't take away
35:50
Speaker 1: what you were forced to do.
35:51
Speaker 9: It doesn't take it away. And our bodies immediately go
35:54
Speaker 9: back and access the smells, the sights, the sounds from
35:57
Speaker 9: that moment, and then our physical response happens where we
36:01
Speaker 9: feel like we need to run or fight or hide.
36:04
Speaker 9: And so for these victims that are now going through
36:07
Speaker 9: all of this so publicly, this is what they're experiencing
36:10
Speaker 9: on a daily basis.
36:12
Speaker 1: We wait as the investigation to Shaan Puffy Combe's aka
36:17
Speaker 1: p Diddy unfolds, But right now we pause and we
36:21
Speaker 1: remember an American hero, Chief Deputy Sheriff Ken Prooc struck
36:27
Speaker 1: by a suspects vehicle in the line of duty South Dakota.
36:31
Speaker 1: Loved coaching his son's baseball team and leaves behind a
36:36
Speaker 1: loving wife, Renee, and three children to be raised without
36:40
Speaker 1: a father, Brooke, Taylor and JD. We remember Ken pro Rock,
36:48
Speaker 1: Goodbye friend,