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Soul Cycle Cult and The Future of Bravo · Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald

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  Speaker 1: Heather MacDonald has got the Juicy Scoop. When you're on
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  Speaker 1: Woo, woo. Heather MacDonald.
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  Speaker 2: Juicy Scoop.
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  Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. I have a fellow
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  Speaker 1: podcaster here, first time on Juicy Scoop, Jessica Rothschild. We
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  Speaker 1: have talked, we had a long conversation a while ago
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  Speaker 1: on the phone, and then you told me about your
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  Speaker 1: new podcast that was coming out, which is like a series,
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  Speaker 1: a specific series, like a docu-series, right? It's a docu-series, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And you're like, I think this is right up your alley.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, it is. It is... The secrets behind
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  Speaker 1: the soul cycling, everything we, all those weird things that
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  Speaker 1: we'd hear of strange stuff going on. The podcast is
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  Speaker 1: called Cult of Body and Soul.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So I want to just, let's just start. Yeah, let's go.
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  Speaker 1: So just give me a little background on you and
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  Speaker 1: all the different things you do and then how– and
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  Speaker 1: obviously you're very fit. You have a tiny little worked
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  Speaker 1: out body.
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  Speaker 2: I mean you did grope me as I was coming up.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I can see.
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  Speaker 2: You fully like– I'm like, look at this little tiny waist.
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  Speaker 1: But no, you're like a little petite worked out thing.
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  Speaker 1: And so you got into this exercise. But prior to
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  Speaker 1: getting into the exercise, just give us a little background
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  Speaker 1: on what your career was up until doing this podcast. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So– I, back in the day, I started as a writer.
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  Speaker 2: I helped, I was a founding writer of like the
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  Speaker 2: largest independent lesbian website, like period. It still exists.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, great.
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  Speaker 2: And there I interviewed like everyone I ever wanted, like
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  Speaker 2: everyone from the L word, Sandra Bernhardt, Margaret Cho, any
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  Speaker 2: like tangentially related, like so lesbian person.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so lesbian. That's a great name.
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  Speaker 2: And that is where I first met Julian Brandy. We
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  Speaker 2: go way back because they used to do video movie
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  Speaker 2: reviews for that site, which is called Autostraddle. OK. And
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  Speaker 2: so that's why I've known Julie and Brent. We've like
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  Speaker 2: traveled together. We've like been in tents together. Like we've
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  Speaker 2: done it all. And so that was where I really
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  Speaker 2: learned how to like book guests and like write an
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  Speaker 2: email that will get a response. I was like a
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  Speaker 2: below nobody, nothing. And. Then years later, I mean, I've
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  Speaker 2: worked in tech full time, but, like, this was really
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  Speaker 2: my passion. And then when I was always a podcast listener,
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  Speaker 2: and specifically yours was actually one of the first podcasts.
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  Speaker 2: Aside from Howard Stern, you were really, like, the first
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  Speaker 2: true podcast, like, on the iPod that I ever got into.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: I was ahead of the curve with the technology. And
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  Speaker 2: so anyway, and so I've been listening since, like, the
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  Speaker 2: early days. Like, podcasts weren't, like. And I fell into podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Like I was always a behind the scenes, but like
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  Speaker 2: a writer and like a journalist. And I somehow like
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  Speaker 2: I got real. My ex really got me into the housewives,
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  Speaker 2: like something that I never thought I'd get into. And
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  Speaker 2: she's like, you just need to understand Bethany Frankel. And
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  Speaker 2: then I realized she is my soulmate. I realized, oh,
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  Speaker 2: this is I can really. And she's like, you need
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  Speaker 2: to understand Jill Zarin.
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  Speaker 1: And so, of course, I... Because you're a New Yorker. Obviously,
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  Speaker 1: we hear you're a New Yorker in your voice.
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  Speaker 2: I'm a Long... Yeah, I'm from Long Island. Originally, I'm
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  Speaker 2: from Long Island.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Much like Jill Zara. Yes. Yeah. And so, of course,
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  Speaker 2: because I'm then going to take it to the extreme, I, like,
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  Speaker 2: begin doing a podcast. And I just take it, you know,
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  Speaker 2: all to the extreme. And so I was doing, like,
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  Speaker 2: a Bravo-related... But, like, every New York housewife has, like,
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  Speaker 2: been in my apartment. So then I interviewed... Because I
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  Speaker 2: had that background in interviewing, like, I knew... how to
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  Speaker 2: be really meticulous with research and how to make people
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  Speaker 2: really feel comfortable. And then because I was such a
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  Speaker 2: Howard Stern fan, I really understood the art of the
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  Speaker 2: audio medium and how to do it just because I
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  Speaker 2: was a listener. So I just innately understood. And then
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  Speaker 2: it grew, the show, I moved away from Bravo and
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  Speaker 2: I started really like going back to my roots, like, interviewing, like,
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  Speaker 2: Sandra Bernhardt, Margaret, like, now in audio form. And, like,
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  Speaker 2: Rosie O'Donnell was, like, a huge, that was a.
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  Speaker 1: Big, like, breakthrough.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, during COVID, everyone's, like, doing nothing. So, like,
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  Speaker 2: I was able to do all these major interviews. And
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  Speaker 2: then I, I've always loved documentary, but, like, how would
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  Speaker 2: I make a, I'm not a filmmaker. Like, and then
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  Speaker 2: I realized, oh, I can just use my medium. And
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  Speaker 1: Which is a gay, not a gay island. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it's an island. It is a gay island. But I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you don't have to be gay to be there. But
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  Speaker 1: it was like the first kind of like vacation East
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  Speaker 1: Coast vacation homes for gay people to go to, right?
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  Speaker 2: Starting in the 50s.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, okay. So it was like there and Palm Springs.
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  Speaker 1: But I feel like Palm Springs wasn't, it was, Palm
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  Speaker 1: Springs was more of, like, an escape from Hollywood. But
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  Speaker 1: because there were so many secret gay people in Hollywood
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  Speaker 1: is where it then became such a, like, a gay community.
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  Speaker 1: I never thought you were right. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But this was, like, back when being gay was illegal. Right. Like,
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  Speaker 2: you couldn't, like, they would arrest people. Like, they had
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  Speaker 2: a quota of people. And even on Fire Island, there
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  Speaker 2: was a quota of people they had to round up. And, like,
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  Speaker 2: they would arrest them. And people would lose their jobs.
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  Speaker 2: for having like public sex, you know, they'd be written
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  Speaker 2: up in the newspaper and then they, because they were outed,
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  Speaker 2: they would lose their jobs.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my God.
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  Speaker 2: And so, but in that series, I interviewed people who
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  Speaker 2: have been there from the 50s all the way to
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  Speaker 2: like Joel Kim Booster to like make this a sellable product.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: But there, like I interviewed this like 90 year old
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  Speaker 2: drag queen who like, he's the oldest living drag queen, period.
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  Speaker 5: Amazing.
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  Speaker 2: He's like an icon on Fire Island. He's in like
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  Speaker 2: in a suit singing like Judy Garland.
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  Speaker 1: Amazing.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: So you do all that. And at the time, the
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  Speaker 1: SoulCycle thing was something that I personally, I think I've
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  Speaker 1: done it like twice. I had every friend of mine
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  Speaker 1: that was into working out loved it. It just wasn't
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  Speaker 1: for me.
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  Speaker 2: Were you ever like into fitness?
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  Speaker 1: I actually hate cardio. No, I like Pilates. I like yoga.
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  Speaker 1: I like going on like a four mile walk.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I just was never into like cardio jazzercise.
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  Speaker 2: Like classes.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and the classes. And like, you know, but it
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  Speaker 1: was fine. Like when people would invite me, I would
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  Speaker 1: go and I'd feel good about myself. But I never
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  Speaker 1: like joined one where I was going three days a
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  Speaker 1: week at 9 a.m.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And it just seemed like it was such a big thing.
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  Speaker 1: And then there were stories that came out about it.
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  Speaker 1: And then there was like, wasn't there like a SoulCycle
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  Speaker 1: guy that like became super famous?
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: That also was, like, on Dancing with the Stars or something? Like,
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  Speaker 1: the actual people doing the stuff became celebrities, right?
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  Speaker 2: Particularly the New York. Because it started in New York.
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  Speaker 2: Spinning really started in L.A. Like, actually, the first episode,
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  Speaker 2: the title of it is Made in L.A. Uh-huh. Because
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  Speaker 2: this all, if you trace back, like, spinning and indoor cycling,
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  Speaker 2: the story starts here. And so it.
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  Speaker 1: Was such.
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  Speaker 2: You know where I first heard the word spinning? The
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  Speaker 2: year is 1997. And Helen Hunt is about to win
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  Speaker 2: the Oscar for As Good As It Gets. And she's
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  Speaker 2: interviewed on the red carpet. I can't believe this memory
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  Speaker 2: is coming back to me. I've never said this outside
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  Speaker 2: my head. And she's interviewed on the red carpet. And
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  Speaker 2: they're like, oh, because she lost weight from Mad About You,
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  Speaker 2: which I was such a fan of that show. And
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  Speaker 2: they're like, oh, my God, what are you doing? And
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  Speaker 2: she's like, I've been doing a lot of spinning. And I, like,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if I Google, like, Yahoo, whatever, you know, like,
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  Speaker 2: what is spinning? Like, because it was 97.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But in L.A., it was happening at, like, Gold's Gym.
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  Speaker 1: I remember a Patti Stanger when she would, like, do
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  Speaker 1: her show, Million Dollar Matchmaker, and even when she talks now,
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  Speaker 1: she would say, oh, so you like a spinner? You
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  Speaker 1: like a little spinner girl? Meaning, like, a small, skinny
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  Speaker 1: girl that could do a spinning class.
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  Speaker 2: Like, and She would say that to the guys.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, like, is that the type that you want?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, to the millionaires. I remember that.
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  Speaker 1: You want, like, a little spinner, like, you know, of
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  Speaker 1: what it is. And, you know, right now, I want
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  Speaker 1: to get into the whole thing, but, like, I do feel, like,
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  Speaker 1: in the exercise world, especially in LA, because people are
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  Speaker 1: always looking for the fix, you know? Now, it's a shot,
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  Speaker 1: you know? Like, get your shot on. It's so wild.
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  Speaker 1: But you still need to work out.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But it's amazing, like, how... My friends that were really
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  Speaker 1: into exercise.
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  Speaker 2: Tell me.
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  Speaker 1: So it was, they were into spinning. They were into
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  Speaker 1: the bar method. which was like ballet with a bar
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  Speaker 1: or something where you're like, I don't know. Those were classes.
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  Speaker 1: Those were franchises that you could do.
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  Speaker 2: Remember Tracy Anderson?
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  Speaker 1: Then Tracy Anderson would do this weird like where people
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  Speaker 1: were like, okay, allegedly she Weren't people, like, breaking ankles
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  Speaker 1: and stuff? Correct. Because you would, like, do a weird, like, jumping, like,
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  Speaker 1: on wood. It was.
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  Speaker 2: The stories that would come out of that were crazy.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, can we talk about some alleged stories? I'm trying
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  Speaker 1: to remember. What was that? Because that was, like, the
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  Speaker 1: Gwyneth Paltrow... No, you hit it.
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  Speaker 2: That's the... I'm remembering that story.
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  Speaker 1: What you just said. Yeah, and I remember, like, when
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  Speaker 1: I was on Chelsea Lately, they'd talk about it, or
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  Speaker 1: maybe Chelsea was very athletic, so I think maybe she
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  Speaker 1: tried to do it. And then she became a celebrity
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  Speaker 1: on her own, the Tracy Anderson... Method, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then I saw you did an interview recently
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  Speaker 1: where they were talking about the old Bravo show.
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  Speaker 2: Workout with Jackie Warner.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: I could do an hour on Jackie Warner if you
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  Speaker 2: want to go there. I mean, do you remember?
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  Speaker 1: Were you with?
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  Speaker 6: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: First of all, I was watching Bravo when it was
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  Speaker 1: just the guy in front of the college kids talking
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  Speaker 1: to an A-list actor. What was that called?
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  Speaker 2: Inside the Actor's Studio.
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  Speaker 1: Inside the Actor's Studio, and then The first reality show
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  Speaker 1: I ever saw on Bravo, which I bring up at
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  Speaker 1: least three times a year. And it's something that we
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  Speaker 1: will never be able to redo because it was locked
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  Speaker 1: in a certain time in L.A., which was showbiz moms
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  Speaker 1: and dads. And the kids come out for pilot season
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  Speaker 1: and they live at those apartments. I can't even think
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  Speaker 1: of the name.
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  Speaker 2: The Oakwood Apartments. The Oakwood Apartments.
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  Speaker 1: And they're trying to get a sitcom. And they had
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  Speaker 1: like a toddler and tiara type of person. They had
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  Speaker 1: like a mom trying to make her son, her son,
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  Speaker 1: like a country singer. It was, it was like one
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  Speaker 1: of the greatest, if I could just go back to
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  Speaker 1: that time of my life, God said, do you want
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  Speaker 1: to go back? Like that would be one of the
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  Speaker 1: times that I'd be like, just take me back to
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  Speaker 1: that house that I was living in and watching those shows.
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  Speaker 1: Cause I, it was just fascinating to me because, um, I, I,
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  Speaker 1: We had an agent growing up. My nieces and nephews did.
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  Speaker 1: So it was just very interesting. But with Jackie Warner,
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  Speaker 1: she had a gym.
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  Speaker 2: Sky Sport and Spa.
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  Speaker 1: And she's a lesbian. A big one. What does a
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  Speaker 1: big one mean? Are you a little one because you're little?
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  Speaker 2: It's a quote from the first Wives Club.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, okay. A big one.
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  Speaker 2: So what happened to her? I have a five-part miniseries
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  Speaker 2: out on my regular show. I've interviewed her five times.
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  Speaker 1: Where is she now? Ohio. Doing what?
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  Speaker 2: She trains people on Zoom, if you're interested.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. But did she have, in a nutshell, and then
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  Speaker 1: everybody go back and listen to your five-part series. Did
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  Speaker 1: she have like a breakup with fame after the show
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  Speaker 1: or what was it?
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  Speaker 2: Okay. I'll quickly give you the Jackie Warner like.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to do a tight three on Jackie Warner.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. You can do a tight four. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I could talk for hours. This is so interesting.
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  Speaker 2: Her whole story is interesting. So first of all, you know, she.
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  Speaker 1: So it was a gym show. I'll just tell you.
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  Speaker 1: It was a show about her running her L.A. gym.
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  Speaker 1: I think she had a partner. She had a couple
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  Speaker 1: people who worked there. And it was just the drama
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  Speaker 1: that happened.
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  Speaker 2: It was the drama with the trainers.
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  Speaker 1: With the trainers at a very exclusive, like, L.A.
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  Speaker 2: Gym. Yes.
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  Speaker 1: And there's some celebrities that pop in and make a cameo.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, she trained, like, Alanis Morissette. Jodie Foster would work out. Like,
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  Speaker 2: they all became, like, her clients.
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  Speaker 5: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So tell the story.
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  Speaker 2: So prior to her opening, so she was with Jillian
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  Speaker 2: Michaels for six years.
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  Speaker 1: As a couple?
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, okay.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't know that.
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  Speaker 2: And that was not public information. I knew it, but
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  Speaker 2: it was not public until our first interview.
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  Speaker 1: And Jillian Michaels, for people to remember, she was the
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  Speaker 1: pretty brunette trainer that was on the weight loss show
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  Speaker 1: where they'd make the people take off their shirts and
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  Speaker 1: weigh themselves.
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  Speaker 2: Biggest loser.
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  Speaker 5: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: With Bob Harper, who was on this year's Traders.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, interesting.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, remember him?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's got the tattoos. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: They were the trainers and they would.
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  Speaker 2: But she was known to be really, Jillian was known
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  Speaker 2: to be like really abusive, allegedly.
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  Speaker 1: Verbally to the people you mean?
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  Speaker 2: Just in general.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: To everybody in society. She's banned from Watch What Happens Live.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, well, I probably am too. I don't know about that. Anyway,
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  Speaker 1: go on. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So they, what people don't know is they opened the
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  Speaker 2: gym featured on Workout. They co-owned that gym. And then
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  Speaker 2: producers- approach. So she, they opened that gym. Producers are
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  Speaker 2: casting the biggest loser. They go to Jackie Warner first.
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  Speaker 2: And she's like, I don't want to do that. I
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  Speaker 2: just opened this gym and then puts Jillian up for it.
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  Speaker 1: Who was her girlfriend.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, cool. And, and wasn't, but wasn't Jillian, which is
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  Speaker 1: kind of interesting because I interviewed her once. Wasn't Jillian,
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  Speaker 1: I thought the story was this. So this is interesting.
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  Speaker 1: I thought the story was Jillian was like an agent's assistant.
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  Speaker 1: She was an agent's assistant. And then somehow heard about
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  Speaker 1: the show and was already in fitness and put herself
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  Speaker 1: up for it.
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  Speaker 2: No.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. But I might have the wrong story. And I'm
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  Speaker 1: not saying that Jillian told me that. For some reason,
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  Speaker 1: that's what I remember. Well, this is what Jackie.
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  Speaker 2: Warner told me. So who are we believing? You can choose.
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  Speaker 1: It's not a bad story. Either one is fine. Either
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  Speaker 1: one is. So what? You still were a star on
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  Speaker 1: the show, Jillian. Yeah. You know, you still made the show.
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  Speaker 1: So go on. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So ultimately. So then, of course, Jackie gets workout. Very successful.
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: Becomes like the go to fitness person in all the
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: magazines like self like she's on the cover. And whenever
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: they need a quote from like an expert.
• 16:02
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: They're going to her because she's the face of health
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: and fitness. But then here's what happened. She went to sleep.
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: She took an Ambien to go to sleep. And she,
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: remember when people were like tweeting on Ambien and like
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: eating like crazy in the middle.
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: Of the night? Yeah, like getting up in the middle
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: of the night and like driving.
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: That's exactly what happened to her. And she drove to
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: 7-Eleven in like her panties and like no shoes to
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: like get chips. And they arrested her.
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: For a DUI.
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: Like, she didn't even do anything. She was, like, it
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: looked intoxicated because you're, like, out of it. She was
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: in a blackout. It was, like, an Ambien blackout. And DUI,
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: the mugshot TMZ.
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: Is Ambien even still around? I feel like no one
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: talks about Ambien anymore. Because it was also, like, the
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: stories of, like, Tiger Woods would take Ambien and be
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: with his lovers.
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: And isn't that what Roseanne blamed those tweets on?
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 17:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 17:10
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: Okay. So they arrest her for that. And also that
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: looks bad because you're buying chips.
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: That's the least of her problems was the chips. So
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: she said in our third interview, I finally got around
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: to like, so why did you go home to Ohio?
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: You know, like she left, she... coincidentally left L.A. right
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: before the pandemic.
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: She's from Ohio, so her family is there.
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: So the show had been off for a while, like
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: 10 years, and she was still being a successful trainer.
• 17:40
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: Took the Ambien, got arrested for that, and then left.
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: That's a career killer.
• 17:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like, it all dried up. Like, the appearances, like,
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: the jobs really dried up. Like, that's.
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: The worst thing maybe that could have happened. How did
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: she feel about... the role that the TV show played
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: in her overall life and career? Was it all positive, negative?
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: I think mostly all positive.
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I think mostly all positive.
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• 18:32
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• 18:35
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• 18:39
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• 18:42
  Speaker 2: Life is one long lesson of chaos.
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: I'm heading to the Emmys, and I have police complaints
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: filed against me. When your free will was about to
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: be taken from you, what would.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: You do if it was given back?
• 18:53
  Speaker 5: Where did that need come from where you thought that
• 18:56
  Speaker 5: you had to succeed in order to feel loved?
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: He said, I have a work dad.
• 18:59
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  Speaker 5: Everybody in life encounters hardships. What defines them is not
• 19:08
  Speaker 5: those hard moments that they go through. It's about what
• 19:10
  Speaker 5: happens next.
• 19:11
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• 19:14
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• 19:17
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• 19:19
  Speaker 1: even if it's shaped.
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: The stories are different, but the impact is the same.
• 19:23
  Speaker 5: Only one question matters. What happens next?
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: So you're in New York. You're into this. Tell me
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: a little bit about your experience and then why you
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: felt that there was a whole story to be told
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: on a multi-episode series here. Yeah. So I was always
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: into working.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: Out. And, like, I always went to the gym. And
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: I would occasionally take spin classes at my gym and
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: hated it. But I kept going back. I don't know why.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: I don't know why. I don't have an answer. And then...
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: A friend was like, my friend.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: But do you believe that working out can be an addiction?
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: 100%. It's called orthorexia. Oh, interesting. Whatever goes in has
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: to come out. Well, not in an eating disorder way,
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: in like an exercise compulsion way.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: Oh, of course. Why? That sounds like the worst addiction.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: Not something I never have to worry about.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: I think I have it.
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: Do you think you might a little bit? Well, I
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: think I'm very, I definitely have like addict compulsive energy.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: But luckily it manifests in like healthy things.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: Rather, I mean, that can be really impulsive.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: But also that can be good too.
• 20:43
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: But it's not, I never was into like drinking or drugs,
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: but I can like do this.
• 20:50
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: So you never ended the spinning at your gym.
• 20:53
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: And so then how did you?
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: A friend of mine lived next to a studio.
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: Now like cut to like we're in Manhattan.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: What year is this now?
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: This was like, 2011. Okay. So SoulCycle had opened, but
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: it was just like one studio at first.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: And so.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: What's interesting, I mean, the way SoulCycle was founded is
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: like very juicy and interesting. And that's all. It's basically,
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: without like giving it, without like telling the whole story,
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: it's basically what happens when three women come together. You
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: know how like three's a really bad number?
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: I always remember my sister picking up her daughter from
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: a play date and she then she goes, oh, and
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: we should, next time we should also include whatever, little Jenny.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: That's the beginning and the end.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: And the mom goes, I don't think threes work.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: Why'd she say that?
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: The mom just said it. And it always just, and
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: I was just, I was not a mom at the time.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: And my sister was like, why not? Like everyone can,
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: you know, the more the merrier and they're all friends.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: And so it just is stuck into my head. And I,
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: it's not a rule I, you know, ever attested to it.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: I've had lunches with three people. It's fabulous. Like, whatever.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: You know what? Think of, like, the White Lotus.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what was so interesting, the White Lotus aspect.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: That is the perfect dramatization of this phenomenon that happens
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: in female friendships. Like, I think it's the first episode
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: of the White Lotus where, like, you find them, like,
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: talking shit about each other.
• 22:24
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: And, like, it's all, like, great when they're together. But inevitably,
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: and this is women. Gossip is the social lubricant of society.
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: And women will always be talking about each other. Even
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: if they love, there's just a thing.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: No, I mean, that's why, I mean, look, I was
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: always scared to walk to school, walk into a classroom
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: and have someone be like, I heard what you said
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: about me. And before there were podcasts where now everybody
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: just freely talks about each other and at least we
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: can make money at it. But it is weird when
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: you actually now in this day and age can listen
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: to your friend or a cohort person, someone who does
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: what we do, and hear them like tell some story
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: about you. And you're like, well, that's not even true,
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: but I don't know if I want to address it.
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: And then it becomes a big thing, whatever. And I'm like,
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: this is so weird because It used to be that, yeah,
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: everyone talked behind each other's backs, but we didn't know
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: what they were saying. Unless you did the three-way call,
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: which you might have been too young for. Oh, I
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: was not too, of course. Where you could like secretly
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: have someone listen. I think they might have done it
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: in the movie Mean Girls. But like you could call
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: and you'd be like, okay, shut up, don't say a word.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: And then the girl would call another girl and they would,
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: that girl would get, the person to talk about the
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: one who's on silent. And this would happen like in
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: high school. And it was just, and weirdly enough, I
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: don't really think that as we mature, you know, our
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: priorities become our partners and our kids, if we're mothers
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: or our careers, or we just are like, oh, the
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: petty stuff doesn't matter as much. But the reason Real
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: Housewives is so popular is because essentially it is about
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: women's friendships. That's all these shows are about, are women's friendships.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: And that's our sporting event, is watching can these people
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: be friends because they tell each other off who's right,
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: who's wrong. And then they sit back and they're like, oh,
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: but I love those two together. I'm like, you writing
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: in the comments is what tore these two people apart
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: or whatever. And then if we don't think it's authentic...
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: Then we're like, oh, well, they're just doing it for
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: the show. And so getting back to your thing, so
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: three women.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: So this is, I'm going to give it to you
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: in like a quick nutshell to like illustrate this. So
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: the way SoulCycle was founded, and this is just like
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: a taste of like, this is like the initial jumping
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: off point. Essentially to like really boil it down, you
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: have a woman who was a talent agent in LA.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: She worked for Benny Medina.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
• 25:08
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: So that's the person- That's J-Lo's big manager agent. So
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: she understood how to turn celebrities into brands.
• 25:14
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: So like J-Lo, Tyra Banks, P.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: Diddy. Okay?
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: So that's one of them. And so she understood LA.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: She winds up moving back to New York. Another woman
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: was successful. Her husband worked in finance. They had money.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: And then this third person was just a spin instructor,
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: teaching spin at a gym. And- separately, the talent agent
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: and the woman with money say to their spin instructor,
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: they did not know each other. They separately say to
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: the spin instructor, I have dreams of opening a spin
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: studio because boutique spin didn't exist.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: Okay. Okay.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: And so the spin instructor is like, let's go to lunch.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: So they go to lunch at the Soho house. This
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: is 2006.
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: The three of them together or she does a lunch
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: with each? No, no, no.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: She goes, let me introduce you.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: Because the one had money.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: They didn't have money, but the other one.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: The talent agent didn't have money.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: No.
• 26:13
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: Even though she was an agent.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: Story of LA. So, says the New Yorker. So, spin
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: instructor goes, let's all go to the solo house and
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: like talk. Like, I think this other woman can like
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: help us out. Like, she has the same dream and
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: has money. Like, the point.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: Like, she had money to throw into a startup.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: They go to the Soho house in like January of 2006.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: Four months later, they open the first SoulCycle. A year later,
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: the spin instructor is cut.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: Out of the deal. How does that happen?
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: Because allegedly, and she wrote this in a book, it
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: is true, she did not have legal protection.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: In place oh she never did like a contract with them.
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: The contracts weren't written right or they weren't didn't exist
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: that's a little bit fuzzy that part's a little like
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: why wouldn't you have your contract written like that's a
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: question that like we may not know or that's an
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: off the record thing but essentially you have these two
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: really savvy businesswoman. You have a shark from LA who's
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: a talent manager who knows how to build celebrities and
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: build a brand and knows how to market. And you
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: have this other woman who is really great at real
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: estate and who has a husband in finance, understands money.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: And then you have a fitness instructor. Yeah. She becomes
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: the face of it, like brings her clientele and her riders.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: And so for the first year, they're all her riders
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: from like the gym she had been teaching at.
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: The other two basically realized she didn't want to run the,
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: she didn't know how to run a business.
• 28:01
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: She was a fitness, she was a spin instructor.
• 28:03
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: And she, there was just like a personality clashing and
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: just like what happens when like one doesn't fit in.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: So do they at least like give her a chunk
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: of money and buy her out?
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: Eventually what happens is they sell, cut two years later.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: They sell SoulCycle to Equinox. And the two remaining.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: How much?
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: The two remaining get $ 90 million each. Do you know
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: how much this.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: In two years, Equinox bought this? It grew that fast? No,
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: that happened in 2016. Well, five years. No, 10 years.
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: 2006 to 2016. Okay.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: Still, that is kind of amazing. Okay.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So they walk away with $ 90 million... each the
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: fit the spin instructor who introduced them is long gone
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: she went on to co-found flywheel.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: But the flywheel didn't last yeah there was a flywheel
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: near my house.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: But do you know how much she got from from
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: which deal from the equinox buying soul cycle.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: Let me guess 500 000 zero oh yeah and then
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: where is she now What happened with Flywheel's not around either.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: Well, she went on. I mean, she definitely is a success.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: She co-founded the two most successful indoor cycling companies.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Period.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: They sold Flywheel. I mean, eventually went out of business.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: But shut up. I think she made her money with
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: flywheel and she was also older like she was her
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: kids were like in high school whereas the other two
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: they had like five month old babies so there is
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: that different there was you can imagine it's a different.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: Life it's like I feel like, and then didn't something
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: recently happen politically with like Peloton?
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: I don't know about that.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: Politically. I feel like there was a Peloton, something happened
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: with like Theo Vaughn and Peloton and like Dana White
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: or something.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: Oh, I don't know about that.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: And then Dana White was like, take Peloton out of
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: all of my gyms. Oh, I don't know. And so
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: I just wonder, like, are people like on the bikes
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: like they used to be? The bike as a thing
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: kind of like not as people are not as like
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: into it.
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: Well, in the pandemic. It was huge. In the pandemic,
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: Peloton like ran. You could do.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: The walking Peloton. You could do the ride bike. And
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: they'd have like the videos of like how you could like,
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: you know, go through a field in Tuscany or something.
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: But like that's the kickoff. But your question, are people
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: still on the bike? It's not what it was. It's
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: not in the heyday of SoulCycle was like 20. The
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: apex of its popularity was, I would say, 2012 to 2018.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: OK.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: Especially in New York. I mean, it was very big
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: here in L.A., too. But in New York. a lot of,
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: I mean, those instructors, it was like the real housewives
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: of SoulCycle. They were in Page Six.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: They were... But how much could, like, a SoulCycle instructor get?
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: Were they able to, like, live in the city while instructing?
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: Or were they only getting, like, a hundred bucks a ride?
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: No, the top instructors were making over a million dollars
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: a year.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: How would they make a million dollars a year?
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: Because they sold out those classes. The two women, the two.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: The ones who stayed, they understood how to, the reason
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: SoulCycle was so successful was because they wanted to make
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: it so that SoulCycle was their career. Okay, that's cool.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: So the New York versus LA at the time was
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: in LA, like the trainer, the fitness professional would be
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: teaching at Gold's Gym. They'd have private clients. They'd be
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: like driving all around And then by the time they
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: got to your 5 o'clock class, they're, like, exhausted.
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: Because they've been running around. And so the main concept
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: behind SoulCycle was we're going to invest in our talent.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: And they always said this is not a fitness business.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: It's a hospitality and talent business. Yeah. They never saw
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: it as a fitness business.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: I remember, like, there was really good, like, SNL sketches
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: about it and, like, you know, with the.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: And so.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: They made superstars out of these regular people riding a
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: fucking bike.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: And this is really kind of before social media. So, like,
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: what other deals could they get? Like, where does the
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: culty part of it come about?
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: Cult of personality.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah. The relationships between the riders and the instructors would...
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: They were– so a big thing that's been gatekept. So
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: that cut to me like getting– my story is like–
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: I'm very much like– I'm telling my story.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: You're hearing like my story with this and also the
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: company story like what I just explained with the three women.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: So you'll hear like how I like get sucked in,
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: like how I get hooked.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: And– I loved it. Like, no complaints. I love a cult. Like,
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: I love it. Like, so, I'm not, this isn't, like,
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: a negative, like, I had 100% positive experience.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: Which is why I'm the perfect person to, like, tell this.
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: I don't have an ax to grind.
• 33:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: I'm just telling the truth and making it very entertaining.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: So, something, so when I was, I used to say
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: to friends, I want to, I would joke that I
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: wanted to, like, go through the instructor training program, like
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: become a SoulCycle instructor.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: Not because I wanted to teach SoulCycle, but because I
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: was so fascinated by the training program because it was known,
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: it was a thing in New York City that it
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: was like this like eight week program that they would
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: do in-house at SoulCycle. And it's like, So what would
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: they do?
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: What would they say?
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: They would teach them, and this is what you hear instructors, like,
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: take me through the training program. And, like, they were
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: taught how to seduce the riders.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: I don't get it.
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: No, in a sense of how to get, for example, Heather, right?
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: How to make it so you're taking a random, it's
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: your first time or whatever. Or, like, you've gone a
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: few times.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: Okay, I'm on the bike.
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: I'm the instructor.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: Okay. So.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: There's a part, so they have their candles, like it's
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: dark and it's candlelit and everyone is sweating. It's sexual.
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: You're like fucking the bike for like 45 minutes.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: Okay. Okay.
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: And then there's a moment, there's a moment toward the end.
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: And like the first three songs are all about seduction.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: Like my voice is going to be really slow and
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: very deliberate and soft. And the songs are like, I
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: can't think of like a good example, but maybe like some,
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: For some reason, I want to say Usher, but, like,
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: not Usher.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: Like, a good Rihanna song that's, like, a slower song that's, like,
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: easier to ride to.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: And you're all riding to the rhythm. So it's like
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: you're dancing. Okay. It's like SoulCycles for people who can't dance. Okay.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: And it makes you feel like... Okay?
• 35:53
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: And the instructors are cast. Like, they used to lay
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: out headshots.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: Uh-huh.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: Like, the cast, the talent agent, she would lay out
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: headshots and be like, who's going to work really well
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: on the Upper East Side versus who's going to work
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: really well in the West Village. Two different clientele. And
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: she understood how to cast it, how to change the clothes,
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: what they should do to their hair. She knew how
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: to turn these people.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: So how is this never a reality show? They must
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: have been approached.
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: So I've been told they tried to do a reality
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: show with the instructors. Couldn't get done.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: I was told....
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: I've had this idea for a very long time.
• 36:35
  Speaker 6: And.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: Because I knew this was so interesting.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: Okay, how are people... What is this life like for, like,
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: people's knees as they get older?
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: We're talking hip replacements. We're talking... Like, a lot of
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: the instructors... That's a whole other conversation.
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: Right, it's not... The whole other... Like, how long can
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: you be this, like, sexy instructor?
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: Well, eventually... Eventually, they... teach off the bike they teach
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: from the floor the old ones let's not say that
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: but you can have a very long career teaching from
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: the floor okay like a yoga instructor is like walking
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: around yeah and then they have like a young hot
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: one on the bike okay and um you could teach
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: forever And so where is.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: Tell us some of the salacious stuff that we can
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: look forward to.
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: So, I mean, for me personally, I find the details
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: of the training program to be... That's the thing that
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: years ago I was so obsessed with. Like, what is
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: going on?
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: At least with these people, though, they were making good money.
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: So no one felt... That's not an element of this.
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: Until they sold to Equinox.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: Oh. Then.
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: The founders, when they say we're zeroing in, I'm like,
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: the spin instructor gets fucked. She's out.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: So the two who are known to be like the
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: beloved heroes, Julie Rice and Elizabeth Cutler, they are known
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: as the founders, even though there is this secret third co-founder, whatever.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: They are beloved. Okay. Beloved.
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: And they eventually, there was kind of a culture war
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: between SoulCycle and Equinox. Equinox is a behemoth. And very
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: different politics. There was a culture war between the two.
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: And that was when they left and sold for $ 90 million.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: Equinox takes over and now you've got that corporate trickle down.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: Their pay, they're no longer being paid what they were.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: Like I had stories of instructors saying how by the
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: time they left, they were making less than half. of
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: what they were making at their height. People had their
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: pay structures changed like four times. Like the way Equinox ran,
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: they just weren't compatible. It wasn't compatible. It went from
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: this small homegrown company that was about, that was also,
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: by the way, very gay. The company, like they're all
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: performers and dancers and actors. Like these are why they
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: were so charismatic and why they could like, they knew
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: how to perform.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: And were there soul cycles like all over America popping up?
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: And could you, were they ever frantic? Like could I
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: have opened one?
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: No, that was why they sold to Equinox. They had
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: an initial partnership with Equinox to bring them to LA
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: because eventually, there's this weird thing with entrepreneurship or with like, yeah,
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: with entrepreneurship where in my research for this, there comes
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: a point where suddenly you need, like, $ 100 million. Like,
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: in order to grow, you need, like, an enormous influx
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: of cash. So they did this initial partnership with Equinox,
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: and that's how they were able to open, like, L.A.
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: And then there were studios, like, Beverly Hills, like, all
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: over L.A. And then Equinox wanted it on, like, every...
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: It went from being, like, the restaurant you couldn't get
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: into to, like, Applebee's. So, yeah, once you're in Michigan,
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: I mean, with all due respect, but, like, once you're in, like,
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: the suburbs of Virginia, it's no longer– it lost that–
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: there was an exclusivity factor. And, like, celebrity– if you
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: want the Kelly Ripa. Yeah.
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, like, it became known, like– Like, how did you– but, like,
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: when you say it was sell it out, how– was it, like,
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: impossible to get in? Oh, yeah. Would you have to,
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: like– Yes. Like, how would you sign up? Then would
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: some people– be like a vip and they could get
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: in or what was.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: It so you you would have like your regular and
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: and they also soul cycle also um they invented the
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: paper class model what's that like you literally pay like
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: 34 dollars per class you can't like there's no membership
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: got it you can buy like a 10 pack and
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: like maybe you're saving two dollars but like okay it's
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: a paper class model so Very early on, Kelly Ripa,
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: and I credit Kelly Ripa and I think they would too.
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: Kelly Ripa was the first person on, who like had
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: a television show talking about SoulCycle and her favorite instructor
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: every day. She would have the bikes at live, you know,
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: the live with, I guess, Kelly and whoever.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: Regis, Michael, whoever the people are.
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: And she was really responsible for, I mean, the power
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: of television like it yeah it became this like cultural
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: awareness and even in the early days it would like
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: Brooke Shields was right.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: She truly is a spinner she's a spinner yeah but
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: yeah like it was always known to be this like celebrity.
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: That cloud of like Chelsea Clinton was always riding and
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: Brooke Shields Kelly Ripa Tiki Barber yeah all these Kira
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: Sedgwick like all these people in New York, just like
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: New York, Katie Couric was a big one too.
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: So people just want to be where they are.
• 42:15
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: They'd be next to be spinning next to that.
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: And then we're like, and.
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: Yes, you could, what you said before about, could you
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: pay more? Yes. So the, the other side of it
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: is the writers or all these like, imagine like, Oh,
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: you know, who's banned from soul cycle? Sonia Morgan. That
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: gets revealed. Why?
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: What happened?
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: Because she was, She was making out with her boyfriend
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: in the front row and like talking really loudly during class.
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: Wait, were you before class or as the class was going?
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: During class. I don't know.
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: On the bikes they were making out?
• 42:49
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: How can you reach over?
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: How can you even fit?
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: No, you're very close together. The bikes are.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: And so they're like doing it and she stops pedaling
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: to make out.
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: I wasn't there, but the instructor told me.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: So this is pre-Housewives or you don't know? No, no, no, no.
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: This is Housewives. Housewives is happening. And so- The studio
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: manager like went over and was like, hey, after the
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: class was like, hey, listen, like if you're in the
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: front row, like no talking, like we're trying to like
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: really like follow what's going on in the class. And
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: she pulled the like, do you know who I am?
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: And threw a huge, and then she was banned.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: She's banned from that other restaurant. I know. What's the
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: name of the restaurant? I can't remember.
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's in NoHo, which is an area of New York. Yeah.
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: And then the next week I talked about this, but
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: I got a little more info. Allegedly- She threw some
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: fit at a restaurant. She said she was helping some
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: elderly woman at a restaurant who was not feeling well.
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: And then the ambulance came. And then she was allegedly
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: acting so bizarre and weird that they were like, either
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: you come in the ambulance with us or we're going
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: to have to call the police. So the story is
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: then she just went in the ambulance. which sometimes can happen.
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: Like either you're at, you know, and then you have
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: to pay for that, you know, ambulance ride and everything.
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: But at least you're not like, don't have a mugshot
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: for being like, you can just say, well, you know,
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: like why are you acting so weird? I don't know.
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: I better just go to the hospital versus like being
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: crazy and then having that thing on your record. But yeah. So,
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: but you know, she's a good time. So she gets banned.
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: That's amazing. She was banned.
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: I mean, there were all these like, It truly, it
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: was like the real housewives.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: Wait, how did you, sorry, how could you then get
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: so that you would get in the class? Like you
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: could call?
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: Like a priority.
• 44:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: So the classes would all, I mean, this is to
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: this day.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: How many were in each class? Isn't it small?
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: On average, on average, we'll say 50 bikes.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: I mean, and everyone's sweating and it's hot in there.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: Does this fucking smell like ass or what? Or the
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: candles smell good? And the candle's kind of a fire hazard.
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: You're making a lot of points.
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: That's why I never got into it. Didn't you have
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: to buy special shoes?
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: You have to, you clip into the bike.
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: Okay. All right. And so, like, I hate all this. Like, I, yeah.
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: Whenever someone tried to get me into it and just
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: say how fun things were, like, I just, I can't.
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: I mean, it had this.
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: It became, because you know what it was? When I was,
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: I used to like, I don't fucking get it. When
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: I was, here's the thing. Because I was really into fitness,
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: I would actually work, because remember when you asked me
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: something hilarious on the phone. I sent you the trailer.
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: There's a little peek behind the curtain. I sent Heather
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: the trailer. We get on the phone and you're like,
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: I gotta ask you a question. I have friends who spin.
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: Why do these women who spin not lose weight? And
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: that's a great, Because it raises the question of, is
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: this a good workout?
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: And the answer is. When you're just doing cardio.
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: If you are only doing cardio. Your body gets first.
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: It spikes a lot of cortisol, which is like the
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: stress hormone. So your body is like constantly in like
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: a fight or flight.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: Situation.
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: And if you're not... Cardio doesn't change your body. It just, like,
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: burns sugar and, like, burns fat. Okay. And your body
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: adapts to the... You become a slave to that level
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: of cardio.
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: Oh, really?
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: So.
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: God, have I made some right choices in my life?
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: You have. You have. Because what I've learned is the
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: actual true secret to.
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: Being fit.
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: To being fit is you absolutely need to lift weights.
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: That's the thing that transforms the way you look. Yeah.
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: But you actually want to do the minimum amount of
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: cardio you need to stay where you are. Because you
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: don't want to be a slave to it.
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: Because then you're constantly chasing that. You're like circling the drain.
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: It's like.
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: It becomes a vicious cycle of like, oh, my God,
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: I got to I got to run off the like
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: who wants So if you're just like walking and also
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: spinning because it's so high intensity, it spikes your hunger.
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: So a lot of people who just do high intensity cardio,
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: they eat way more than you would eat if you
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: were to like lift weights or quite frankly, not work
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: out at all. Like just go for a walk.
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: It wouldn't spike your hunger. So you have to know
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: that delicate. If you get addicted to spin, like it's, it's,
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: Your body isn't going to look the way. It's not
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: going to transform your body.
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: So did anybody start to, like, realize that after, like,
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: losing three years of their life in this smelly room? Oh, that?
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: Did anyone, like, start to, like, go, oh, my God,
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: I never really lost weight. I never really got fit. Like,
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: I actually stayed the same amount.
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: You know, instructors I talked to told me, former SoulCycle
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: instructors told me that they actually gained weight. Teaching at Seoul.
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: What a fucking nightmare.
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: Because they didn't have time to, like, take other... Like,
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: they were teaching, like, 12, 16 classes a week. Yeah.
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: They didn't have time to, like, go to Barry's boot
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: camp and, like, lift weights or go to the gym.
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: There was no time.
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: And they were starving.
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: And did people... They were starving? Oh, yeah.
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: Well, they were hungry. Like, there was just how many, like,
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: shakes can you... Just because they're running around. There was
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: no time to really, like, take care of yourself.
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: And then... Were people then like fucking their trainers or spinners?
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. Yes.
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 49:03
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: And then does that get you kicked out?
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: No, that's celebrated kind of.
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: Oh, really? A little bit.
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: The bad behavior.
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: Was there ever like someone knowing, like was there ever
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: some housewife that was fucking like a straight trainer who that, oh,
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: No, a woman was served divorce papers on her handlebars.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: because she was fucking her SoulCycle instructor. That's a legendary story.
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: And they got, oh my God.
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: Can you imagine? She was served divorce papers on the handlebars.
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: Clipped in.
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: Did she finish the class? Her feet were clipped in.
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: Did she finish the class?
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: Let's say yes and.
• 49:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: Oh, my God. Well, okay. Well, everybody can listen to it.
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's juicy. If I don't know, I mean,
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: it's a lot.
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're going to listen to it. I wanted to
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: talk a little bit about, this is from the Real
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: Housewives Zone.
• 49:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: You know, let's talk a little bit about that you
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: are a New Yorker. Give the people some Bravo juice.
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: Real Housewives of New York had two seasons with this
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: brand new cast. And then there was talk that it
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: was being canceled. Then Andy goes, it's not being canceled.
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: I don't know where that's coming from. We are actively
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: talking to 10 different women who, to join the cast.
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: I don't know if that means, you know, of that,
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: it's going to be a brand new cast of seven,
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: if they're going to keep one or two, what that means.
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: But he definitely was saying like, New York is not
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: dead and buried as we know it. So what is
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: your thoughts, scoop, theories?
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: I mean, I've been shouting from the rooftops the thing
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: that now everybody says, which is that they should move
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: Lindsay Hubbard over from Summer House. Yeah. I've always loved
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: Summer House. I mean, I love Vanderpump, too. But Summer House,
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: because it's the Hamptons, it's New York. I've always loved
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: that show. And I think if they moved Lindsay and Paige,
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: I mean, actually, here's my theory. I think if I
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: was producing it, I would move Lindsay, Paige, and Amanda
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: over and she would never do it. I would also
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: throw Hannah Burner in there because that's the only way
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: that there can be resolution in that friendship. You know
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: the Paige, Amanda, Hannah Burner?
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: But then where does that leave Summer House? Just get
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: all new younger people. Summer House should be a young thing.
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: I mean, it should be what it is. Like in
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: your 25 to 35, You share a house and summer house.
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: It should be like... It should be newer people. It
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: shouldn't be married couples. It shouldn't be people having kids.
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: It should be, you know.
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: I think you can keep... I think totally keep the
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: people like Sierra, of course, like West and Jessie.
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: And... But graduate the other people out.
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: Maybe Kyle and Amanda can still do it, but I
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: think there's a blending that could certainly work.
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: You know, I just... I think like, you know, with
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: Hannah and Paige, they're so successful doing their own thing.
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: But then I also think people get burnt out on
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: this too, on the podcasting, the touring and stuff. And
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: so I would say if the opportunity came up and
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: they were to ask me my opinion, maybe not Hannah,
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: but certainly Paige, I think it could be a really fun,
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: different thing to keep her going and, And she could
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: still do her thing with Hannah and to just keep,
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: to just keep doing it because you've already put it
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: all out there anyway. So it's not like a big,
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: that's what I was saying when I was interviewing these
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: two really young people that were on Vanderpump Villa, which
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: is on Hulu. I was like, now there was a
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: time when I would interview the, the original Vanderpump kids
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: and they were like, you know, we were scared to,
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: to take the leap and be on this show. They
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: had to really be convinced because they were all trying
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: to be actors. And at that time, their agents were like,
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: if you go on a reality show, then no one's
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: going to take you seriously when you come in for
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: a casting on a sitcom or a drama or whatever.
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: Now I feel like the industry is so weird that
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: it's a great move to go be on a reality show.
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: You're already putting your life out there on Snapchat and
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: TikTok and everything. And they don't care. There's no shame.
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: No one cares about what your body count is or
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: who your OnlyFans, whatever. So you might as well just like,
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like the kids on Below Deck,
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: I'm always like, I can't believe there's like cameras in
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: those tiny rooms and we're actually like seeing you guys fuck. Like,
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: and you're still having to like, make pancakes in the morning. Like,
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: what is this? Why don't you just be a full
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: porn star? Like, I'm sometimes confused by it.
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: Let me ask you a question.
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: Okay. Who would you, if you were producing... Okay, I
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: gave you my, like, dream scenario.
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: Yes, I'll tell you, yeah.
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: What would you do if you were producing and casting this?
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: Well, I love the idea of, like, graduating a few
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: people over, like Lindsay and Paige. I think that would
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: really be good. And Amanda... But then I guess she
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: still has to deal with her husband. I don't know.
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: I'm not totally keyed into the summer house. So I
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: know it's super popular. But I know all the players.
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: Of these people. Who would you keep?
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: I know it's tough.
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: It really is. Definitely not Jenna Lyons. Sorry. I'm sorry.
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: Can I tell you something? I think I'm responsible for
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: getting our cat.
• 54:50
  Speaker 5: Why?
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: Tell me.
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: It's too long of a story.
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: I just didn't understand when she came and the fandom
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: over it, it was the same thing in the fandom
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: over SoulCycle. I was just like, I don't get why
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: everyone's like fucking losing their shit over the girl.
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: I was the one losing their shit.
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: Why? What is so amazing?
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: It doesn't translate. She's not made for real.
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: She... I just didn't think there was anything that like
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: she didn't... She wasn't... I mean, I think she's like
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: a fine person. You know, that's the thing. All of them... Nobody,
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: except for maybe Brynn, was really annoying. I didn't feel
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: like anybody was annoying. I don't feel like anybody's an
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: unintelligent person or anything. Just they weren't like silly or
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: fun to watch at all. They just weren't. And they
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: didn't have a history. They were cast. And then you
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: come into something this many years in and like you're
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: kind of making a bigger deal out of something or
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: the producers might be pushing you.
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: They almost need to find people You almost need to get, like,
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: 70-year-olds who have, like, never seen Housewife. You need to...
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: Who is the person who isn't self-producing and doesn't know
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: how to use Instagram and hasn't been watching 20 years of... Like,
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: who is that person? It's like, you have to go.
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: I don't even know how you do it. You know what?
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: That's why I'm saying, like, it's tough.
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: Because it's like The Valley, you know, I watch The
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: Valley and I like it. But after a while, like...
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: You are just watching people, like, break up and get divorced.
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: And sometimes it's a little too dark and a little
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: too sad and a little too real. I don't know. But,
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'll still watch it. I don't like Jessel
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: and her husband trying to be funny all the time.
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: So she can go. Sorry. Uba's super annoying, in my opinion.
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: Totally annoying. Oh, I'm the prettiest. I'm the best. I'm
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: the greatest, darling. You know, like, that was too much.
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: That wasn't funny.
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: We watched two seasons of her. And we know nothing
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: about her.
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: Why did they cast her?
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: Just because she's pretty and, like, whatever.
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: We know nothing.
• 57:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: Terrible. She was terrible. Psy, again, a cool chick. I
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: interviewed her. But, like, not particularly funny or anything on camera. Just, like,
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: not popping. I mean, when you think about what made
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: Real Housewives of New York, the original, so great, is
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: because they... We had been watching reality TV for 15 years.
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: They were women who were stars in their own mind.
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: They did lead an exceptional lifestyle that's unique to being
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: in New York. If you could make it here, you
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: could make it anywhere. New York is unique. You have
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: to be a badass. You have to either have come
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: from nothing and made it or come from something and
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: you're still making it. That's what we wanted to see
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: as people who don't live there. So you can't have
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: people just like moving there and doing nothing or being
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: like Leah McSweeney, who, again, there was, you know, nothing
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: really interesting. She wasn't wealthy. Like, I just. So I
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: don't know who to cast.
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: The reason why the original New York cast worked was
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: because they were all characters.
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: And they all knew each other. Jill put them all together.
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: Jill's a character. Luann is a character. Ramona is a
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: Bethany character. And the other ingredient is each of those people,
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: I mean, don't forget Alex McCord, is they all have
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: a level of delusion.
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: Right. You have to be, that's what I'm saying.
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: These are just like my neighbors.
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: Oh, the other thing I think that killed it is
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: they all were you know, everyone has to be on
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: social media. I get it. But if I was a producer,
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: I would say you're not doing your content. Like you're not,
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: what do you call it? Moonlighting. You're not going to
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: moonlight when you're filming, when you're filming, you're not taking
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: video of your outfits or any of that stuff. When
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: you guys are on camera, if you want, we can
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: have someone take some photos of your outfit at the end,
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: but like, give us your phone. check it every hour
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: like it's the phone thing that made oh my god
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: it like levitated yeah it's like sliding like um my
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: phone my drink was falling anyway um Yeah, I think
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: that's a big part. It's time. Following the lifestyle of
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: a social media brand person, it's not interesting. Zero. It's not, okay,
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: you've got to take three things of this and do
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: the ad. Okay, whatever. It's just not that juicy. It's
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: not like being on a movie set.
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: What do you think is the future of Andy?
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: Well, I don't think anybody wants to see someone else
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: take over the reunions. And, you know, the way he
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: does his thing is special. They had one time, remember
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: they had Nicki Minaj do one? Potomac. Potomac. I think
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: they were like testing out, like, could we have other
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: people do it? So I think we still need him
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: to do that. Watch What Happens Live is still fun.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: I get that they get bigger stars and I think
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: that's great for the show. But I remember seeing that
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: those were the ones that actually don't do that well.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: Oh, I know. It's all the housewives who do.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: But I also think the influx of all the after shows,
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: like there's after shows of every show.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: And then everyone has a podcast. So I don't think
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: like Watch What Happens Live is as valuable as it
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: was in like, oh, my God, we've got the two
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: people sitting here after they're seeing the episode for the
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: first time. How do they feel about it?
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: They've already filmed that after show a month ago.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: And then they put them in the positions of asking
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: the really mean, snarky things. Like Joe Schmo from Beaver Creek,
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: you know, Ireland, says, why does your face look so different?
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: What kind of work did you have done? Like the mean,
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: like to get the snarky stuff out. And then it's
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: always like, well, you'll see in the show. I don't know.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: So what's the future of it?
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. I think they do
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: a really good job. When I catch it, I like it.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: But I just, yeah, I think that he should just
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: stay on the shows, maybe. I feel like he... Just
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: do the TV part.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: Remember how, like, there was that rumor of, like, there
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: was an announcement that, there was an announcement coming, which
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: never came.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: Right. In April, which I had heard, and I talked
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: about it, I said, I don't believe that he would
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: ever step down voluntarily, and I don't believe they would
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: get rid of him and replace him with who? The
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: guy that's, you know, that said the shitty stuff about
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: Shannon Bedore on... love hotel. I'm like, no, we don't
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: need a 30 year old that has no life experience
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: talking to these women. So I, I don't think there's
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: anyone that we'd want. So unless there was something horrible
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: salacious in which there was one of these things, like
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: we're going to do a mutual goodbye. I don't think
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: he would not do it. Dad or not. You can,
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: adjust it so like everything's done in three days and
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: you're home by six.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: I think the only I think if there's an the
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: rumor I heard literally last night at dinner was the
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: announcement because like they didn't want to be scooped is
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: that they're gonna.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: Juicy scooped like I did I guess yeah.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: They they're gonna it's now gonna something maybe announced at
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: BravoCon we'll see if that happens but I truly think
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: that the The only sort of announcement would be that
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: he's no longer going to be the executive producer.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: Why would... I don't believe that.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: Really?
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: Because why... the only announcements that are going to have
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: at Bravo con have to be positive. Do you imagine
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: telling a group of alone? And by the way, we
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: have a big announcement next Bravo con. I won't be here. Like, no,
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: no way. It won't be anything negative. If there is a,
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: I feel like the announcement was all the shakeups of
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: the shows. Maybe, maybe there wasn't anything big. I don't
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: think he's going anywhere. I think he's going to continue
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: to do, um, You know, these things. But maybe he'll
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: scale back in other ways or something. I don't know.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: He said on the radio last week that.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: Maybe he won't do reunions, though. That would be a bummer.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: That would be a real bummer.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: And then they'll bring in Jill Combooster to host the reunion?
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: Please, no. No, that would suck to, you know... Yeah.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: I think I'm the only person on Earth who hates
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: all reunions. I know that I'm in the minority. I
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: know people only watch them.
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: They definitely get dragged out too long, especially when the
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: season didn't really have that much going on. And so
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: much gets resolved, like, is sort of resolved by the
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: time they get there. Like, the only thing juicy out
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: of Beverly Hills is that Garcelle quit. Like, that was it. Like,
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: there was nothing else that came out of there that was, like,
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: an awe moment. We still didn't know if... Oh, so
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 1: what do you think as a lesbian?
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 6: What.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: What do you think of Kyle? I go back and
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: forth every day. Not every day, probably every week. I
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: know that her daughter had an engagement party. I saw
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: a photo of her with some other housewives. I don't
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: know if Morgan Wade went. I don't know what's going
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: on there. What do you think?
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: I think she confirmed that they had, or that she.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: She never confirmed anything. She has never said, Kyle has
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: never said, I... You know, Morgan and I were more
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: than friends, and who knows if we'll be more than
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: that later. She has never said that. She's hinted over it.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: There was a reunion two years ago. She goes, who knows?
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: Maybe Morgan will be sitting next to me next year. Hint.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: She then says Morgan doesn't want to be part of anything.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: Then the last one was I had to talk to
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: my daughters about what was being said, but she still
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: never said, and, you know, like Kathy's laughing, she still
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: never said, I have been with a woman and I
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: like it.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: You know what it is?
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: What is it?
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: Their relationship is unstable. So she can't. It's clear that
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: if she's not confirming anything, it's because their actual relationship.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: She and Morgan. Or whatever the situation, the relationship just
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: in like viscerally, you know, the relationship is probably a
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: bit up and down and not in any kind of
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: solid we're friends or it's probably this weird gray area.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: So what is there really to say?
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: Very common with women.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: I don't really think they're romantic in a romantic thing anymore.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: In my personal opinion, I don't. I think they did
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: have something in it.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: Are they still dressing like Wayne's World?
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: No, and I think they're just kind of friends and,
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: you know, like, do you, so, like, Julie Goldman, who
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: is a lesbian, I was like, do, can lesbians stay
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: friends after they break up? That's the whole thing. Because
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: it seems like gay men can. Can women? I mean, obviously,
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: these are general statements.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: Generally speaking, every lesbian's, like, Best her crew of three
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: best friends or her exes.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: OK, so it can happen. No, that's like usually the
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: way it works. Oh, I thought it was the opposite. No.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: And in fact. One of my really good friends, like
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: over in January, she's like, I have to tell you, like,
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: we're getting divorced. What if she and her wife, they're
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: already like on Instagram, it's kind of nuts to watch,
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: like besties, my sister, wife. I'm like, this is embarrassing stuff.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: She's calling her ex-wife now her sister-wife?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Something like that. I'll show you after. It's weird.
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  Speaker 1: Hopefully she's not watching. But yes.
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  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: Does Erin stay? I think so. Erin Brynn?
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: I think Erin's great. Erin gives me that Jewish New Yorker.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: She's that influx of the Jills, Erin, Bethany. She feels familiar.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: I just felt like I still watched it. I liked
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: their outfits. I love a New York background. They're all
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: very gorgeous. I just, it felt like sometimes when I
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: watch these shows, it is work because I talk about them.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: But I mean, I'd be falling asleep. I couldn't get
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: through it. I think I just kind of, my guess
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: would be that actually none of them are going to
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: come back.
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  Speaker 2: The reason I react that way.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm not saying I want it to. I just
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: have a feeling.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: So the reason why I react that way, like sort
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: of like surprise, is because that would be... Bravo admitting
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: that it failed.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: And they were clinging to the idea of, like, it working. Unless, like,
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: maybe they can be cool and be like, the audience
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: was right. It didn't work. We're going to try again. But, like,
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: can they do that?
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: That's so. Okay. If they keep two, I think it
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: will just be Aaron and Psy.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: My guess, if they keep two, it's going to be
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: Aaron and Jessel. Okay.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: Okay. definitely definitely Erin can be kept because she's like
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: normal and keeps it moving yeah and she's super pretty
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: so yeah all right well if you're looking for a
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: juicy can you just look at Alec Baldwin oh my
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: god Alec Baldwin was there with Hilaria so that's funny
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: at on SoulCycle look at this girl in the back.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: Okay that's not her what if I was like what
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: if I didn't know I'm like oh my god that's
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: me um So at a studio in the Hamptons, the
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: East Hampton studio, something that was cool about soul is
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: like they'd always like try stuff. It was very like
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: culture of yes. So they would like do random stuff.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: So you know how Eladia was a yoga instructor?
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: So at the East Hampton studio, the basement, she was like, oh,
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: I want to teach yoga here. And so for like
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: a summer, she just had a pop-up like yoga thing
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: in the basement of the soul cycle.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: And did people come? Yeah.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: It was just like random and weird.
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: I remember that. And was she speaking in a Spanish
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: accent back then?
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 6: Of course.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: Oh, back then she was. And did you think she
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: was from Spain? Yeah.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: Leonardo and my children.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: Leonardo who? DiCaprio?
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: No, Leonardo. Doesn't one of her kids named Leonardo?
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: That was the name. Carmen and Leonardo. Yes.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: Just that image, for some reason, I find this photo
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: to be so funny. The visual of Alec Baldwin struggling
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: through one of these classes, to me, is just very funny.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: I don't know why. So that's why I sent that.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: It's so funny.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, she's doing fine in life. Hilaria. And, yeah,
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: she just says she has like a coding problem where
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: she just goes back and forth to thinking she's Spanish
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: or I don't know. She never really explained it. Never,
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: you know. Hilaria, Blake Lively, Sherry Papini. Who else could
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: they all hang out with? Meghan Markle.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: Oh, are you casting the show?
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just calling those, all those weirdos could get together.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: All the like, the misfits of New York City.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, kind of liars. I don't know. I know that
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: she was always being talked about to join that Housewives,
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: but got her own show instead, which is probably what
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: he would have wanted. So, Everybody, if you're looking for
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: a juicy thing and you lived this life or never
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: lived it, thank God you didn't. It's called A Body
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: and Soul. And it drops.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: First two episodes are out right now.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: Okay, great.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 5: Awesome.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: And then it'll be weekly. And I mean, it's, if
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: you just want juicy story, like I interviewed like a
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: lot of former like instructors, people who worked at corporates.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: front desk staff, like the people who were like dealing
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: with the clients yelling about like, why am I in a,
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: why do you move my bike? I should be on
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: bike six, like yelling all like sort of dealing with
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: the Ramones and the Sonias.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I love it.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: You get it.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: I love it. All right, you guys, and where can
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: they follow you on social and everything?
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: JessXNYC is my Instagram.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: Awesome. Thank you so much. You guys go to HeatherMcDowland.net,
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  Speaker 1: click on that Patreon and get ready to change your life.
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  Speaker 1: So It'll give you more energy than a SoulCycle class
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: tell you. Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: Bye.
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