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ICE: How We Got Here (Part 4) · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Anny and Smantha. I'm welcome to stuff.
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Speaker 1: I never told your production of I Heart Radio.
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Speaker 2: And we are trying to wrap up this segment, but yeah,
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Speaker 2: we're going to have more parts.
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Speaker 3: It's just too much.
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Speaker 2: This administration is in a constant state of chaos, especially
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Speaker 2: when it comes to immigration, any worldwide issues. Actually, I
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Speaker 2: feel like there's no caveat This administration is in chaos.
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Speaker 2: And with that, go ahead and put content warning here.
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Speaker 2: We are going to talk about death, suicide, disease, all
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Speaker 2: the ugliness of the administration when it comes to ice
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Speaker 2: and immigration. Also, go ahead and time stamp it. Today
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Speaker 2: is April eighth, twenty twenty six. Things are ever changing. Literally,
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Speaker 2: I had to rearrange some of this outlined because I
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Speaker 2: realized I didn't have the most updated information as in
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Speaker 2: like it was released yesterday with new numbers, and I
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Speaker 2: was like, well, yeah, I'm frustrated. Yeah, so I know
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Speaker 2: that this is a very current affairs episode of very
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Speaker 2: current affairs that I feel like when it comes when
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Speaker 2: we come back to this, whether it's generations from now,
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Speaker 2: whether it's two years from now, whether it's two weeks
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Speaker 2: from now, it's going to be a lot and it's
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Speaker 2: going to be a really dark part of our history
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Speaker 2: that we need to remember, so leave it at all
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Speaker 2: at that. So before we do jump in to the
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Speaker 2: newer topics, even though again this is all about ICE
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Speaker 2: and how DHS and CBP have been working in the
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Speaker 2: United States a little bit outside of the United States honestly,
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Speaker 2: but we're not going to get into it here. We
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Speaker 2: will talk about it, but not in this episode. We
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Speaker 2: didn't want to go back to our last discussion about
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Speaker 2: the surveillance stuff about the privacies that are being violated
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Speaker 2: because the government decided to ask specific social media accounts
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Speaker 2: or holders owners to give information and they did. They
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Speaker 2: buckled so quickly without any actual threats. Google, discord and
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Speaker 2: Meta just a fuse name and we will keep naming.
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Speaker 2: But we did want to talk about outside of that,
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Speaker 2: some of the data collecting that ICE and DHS has
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Speaker 2: been able to get or pay for. So yeah, let's
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Speaker 2: jump into the technology that they're using. And this is
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Speaker 2: not all of it, because honestly, they're spending money like
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Speaker 2: we have tons of it, and not that we have
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Speaker 2: like billions of dollars in deficit as the value of
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Speaker 2: our dollar is going down. I don't know how we're
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Speaker 2: doing that, but they're doing it, spending it like there
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Speaker 2: ain't no tomorrow, and honestly, maybe not, maybe not, who
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Speaker 2: knows anyway?
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Speaker 3: With that.
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Speaker 2: Currently, it's being reported that ICE and DHS have been
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Speaker 2: using different types of technology to not only keep tabs
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Speaker 2: on citizens and non citizens alike, but they're using systems
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Speaker 2: like Microsoft and a Zure to get data through AI
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Speaker 2: or cloud systems. This whole fictional system that never existed
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Speaker 2: till about ten years ago to our knowledge, have finally
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Speaker 2: come through and been like, yeah, this is going to
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Speaker 2: be great.
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Speaker 3: For the government's usage, let's use this stuff.
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Speaker 2: They are also going through their own systems, which include
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Speaker 2: health data like Medicaid information, to hunt down people. So
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Speaker 2: they're scrapping their own information that is only supposed to
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Speaker 2: be used for health access to go after people and
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Speaker 2: hunt people down. Here's a bit from an article from
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Speaker 2: ABC affiliate in Washington abcseven dot com. They write, and
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Speaker 2: I think this is from twenty twenty five, so not
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Speaker 2: that long ago, but for some reason, with as fast
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Speaker 2: as information as we're getting, it feels a little dated,
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Speaker 2: you know. But they write, Immigration and Customs enforcement officials
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Speaker 2: will be given access to the personal data of a
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Speaker 2: nation's seventy nine million Medicaid enrollees, including home addresses and ethnicities,
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Speaker 2: to track down immigrants who may not be living legally
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Speaker 2: in the United States, according to an agreement attained by
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Speaker 2: the Associated Press.
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Speaker 1: And it continues explaining what type of access they will
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Speaker 1: be given. Quote the database will reveal to ICE officials
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Speaker 1: the names, addresses, birth dates, ethnic and racial information, as
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Speaker 1: well as social security numbers for all people enrolled in Medicaid.
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Speaker 1: The state and federally funded program provides healthcare coverage program
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Speaker 1: for the poorest of people, including millions of children.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Now, the access was limited, with it stating that they
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Speaker 2: are not allowed to download the information, but was only
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Speaker 2: given a specific amount of time and date to access
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Speaker 2: that information. And the information does cover both immigrants who've
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Speaker 2: been granted stays in the US, so they've been given visas,
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Speaker 2: they've been given clearances, and those who may not but
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Speaker 2: are giving coverage for emergency situations, many of which are children.
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Speaker 3: As we said, So.
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Speaker 2: When I say that they can't download it, literally, they're like,
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Speaker 2: you're allowed from Monday to Saturday, from this time to
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Speaker 2: this time to look at this. Let's be real honest, though,
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Speaker 2: are they trustworthy enough to say that they're not actually
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Speaker 2: downloading these systems? I don't know, because they sure do.
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Speaker 3: Love to lie.
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Speaker 2: But with all that, they've also been able to access
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Speaker 2: information through private systems like Flock, who we mentioned in
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Speaker 2: the last episode and I told you was pointing at
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Speaker 2: my house.
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Speaker 3: Not a fan, No, not a fan.
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Speaker 2: Flock is an Atlanta based private tech firm that has
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Speaker 2: contracts with many local law enforcements and has made a
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Speaker 2: giant profit off of installing surveillance cameras that are used
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Speaker 2: for automated license plate reading. Just pick up that license plate,
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Speaker 2: get all that information, and save it.
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Speaker 3: They say they don't save it. They say the.
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Speaker 2: Data belongs to the owners. But obviously they can't be
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Speaker 2: true if it's in their system and we can't ask
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Speaker 2: them to take it off and we have no rights
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Speaker 2: to that system. But okay, moving on, and already we've
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Speaker 2: seen many headlines about how local law enforcement have handed
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Speaker 2: over information to the large federal agencies like ICE for
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Speaker 2: their usage. Even though Flock has told many of people
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Speaker 2: and many of reporters that they do not work with ICE,
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Speaker 2: it's very clear that their.
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Speaker 3: Data is being used by them.
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Speaker 2: So the circumventing and the like tossing of the language
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Speaker 2: is an obvious The turrent saying being like, oh no,
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Speaker 2: but we don't have a contact with them doesn't actually
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Speaker 2: mean they're not working with them, whether it's by choice
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Speaker 2: or not, by their specific choice or not. Not only that,
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Speaker 2: but many YouTubers and I've seen some of these YouTube
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Speaker 2: videos and hackers have shown how easy it is to
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Speaker 2: get into these systems. Literally you just press the button
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Speaker 2: three times and it resets and allows you to access
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Speaker 2: their system as In fact, some of the passwords were
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Speaker 2: as simple as one, two, three.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. You would think a tech firm should know better.
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Speaker 3: You would think you would think.
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Speaker 2: There's also talks about how predatory the company is by
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Speaker 2: installing cameras in locations and demanding pay even if they
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Speaker 2: have not been requested to be put up in those areas.
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Speaker 2: Literally they put them up anyway, and they like, we
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Speaker 2: got you a service.
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Speaker 3: Pay us.
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Speaker 2: As a reminder, Atlanta is one of the most surveilled
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Speaker 2: areas in the nation, even more so maybe in the world.
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Speaker 2: Like it's like, the amount of cameras to the amount
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Speaker 2: of population that is there is unreal. The ratio doesn't
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Speaker 2: make sense. Again one is pointed at my house. I'm
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Speaker 2: going to say that a lot. So we need to
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Speaker 2: complete this down. And also it should be noted this company,
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Speaker 2: it came out of nowhere and profited very quickly. I
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Speaker 2: did read an article in which they had a whole
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Speaker 2: sit down with a small city in Georgia. Dunwoodie is
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Speaker 2: a little outside of Atlanta, and there are many people
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Speaker 2: who were asking for these flock cameras to be gone
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Speaker 2: and saying that this is a violation of privacy because
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Speaker 2: there are in the private areas.
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Speaker 3: I will say that.
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Speaker 2: And so the city actually deferred the contract. They didn't
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Speaker 2: cut ties with them, they just deferred because so many
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Speaker 2: people didn't like them. They're still there and they are
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Speaker 2: still being used. Just as an FYI. Also, local law
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Speaker 2: enforcements will tell you, you know, we're not doing anything
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Speaker 2: bad with these things.
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Speaker 3: It's just preventative.
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Speaker 2: As a reminder, we talked about that federal article that
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Speaker 2: is being used to make local law enforcements cooperate and
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Speaker 2: work with ICE because they have units in and in
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Speaker 2: the state of Georgia. They are required by our governor.
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Speaker 2: He signed a whole policy forcing law enforcements to have
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Speaker 2: to work with ICE. So none of the cities have
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Speaker 2: a choice because by state law that Governor Kemp decided
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Speaker 2: to put in place, they have to abide. This was
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Speaker 2: a big thing about in Cobb County, which is slowly
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Speaker 2: turning blue, which they were already upset about because they
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Speaker 2: didn't want ICE to be a part of obviously law
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Speaker 2: enforcement at all. They are, but the Sheriff's office was like,
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Speaker 2: we have to. This is something that Kemp has put
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Speaker 2: in place. Passing the book is what our favorite game.
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Speaker 2: But just as a reminder, and again, since flock is
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Speaker 2: used by local law enforcement, guess who has access to that?
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Speaker 2: You are correct, Ice, but they're not the only company
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Speaker 2: being used here in this type of man hunt. Palenteer
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Speaker 2: if you know you know which every time we talk
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Speaker 2: about Palenteering in my house, the first thing is that
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Speaker 2: is that's the obvious villain evil within Lord of the Rings.
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Speaker 1: That's so funny because I was gonna say duchess and dragons,
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Speaker 1: paladd but that's true. That's also good.
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Speaker 3: Yes, all of.
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Speaker 2: Those things are aligned because Peter Till is obnoxious.
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Speaker 3: But moving on.
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Speaker 2: Yes, so Palenteer a company where the CEO is outright
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Speaker 2: very loud about its support and assistance in the current
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Speaker 2: administration and actually been a big help in the way
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Speaker 2: Ice has been able to kidnap people all across the country.
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Speaker 2: Like this isn't obvious, Peter Till is what meaning people
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Speaker 2: will say is the reason JD. Vance became such a
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Speaker 2: sycophant for Trump as well and maybe leading up to
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Speaker 2: even more conservative ties. Peter Till was also recorded as
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Speaker 2: saying if people died, oh, well that's how it goes. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: he's a terrible guy, terrible person, terrible founder of the company.
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Speaker 2: They also have aligned and have contracts with the federal government,
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Speaker 2: so so much so that organizations like the ACLU have
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Speaker 2: been keeping tabs on this specific company for a while,
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Speaker 2: I mean since twenty eleven. According to their own articles,
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Speaker 2: pllenteers sketchy tactics like risk assessment database that keeps quote
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Speaker 2: threat scores so they predict who could be a criminal
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Speaker 2: I guess, to data targeting of individuals. The ACLU has
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Speaker 2: been watching with growing concerns of how Polunteer has been
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Speaker 2: implementing their tactics in the government today.
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Speaker 1: Yes, and here's a bit from ACLU dot com written
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Speaker 1: in March of twenty twenty six. Quote Over the years,
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Speaker 1: the company seems to have been involved in opaque ways
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Speaker 1: with US security and other agencies in a period when
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Speaker 1: those agencies really began exploring ways to use newly available
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Speaker 1: mass surveillance data and analytics to achieve various goals. Now
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Speaker 1: the company's involvement in questionable government uses of mass data
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Speaker 1: has reached a new level of clarity, with Amnesty International
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Speaker 1: calling out the company's responsibility under United Nations Human Rights
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Speaker 1: principles to immediately cease their work with the Trump deportation program.
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Speaker 2: Right, so, they're so bad that the UN has called
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Speaker 2: them out as a company to be like a you
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Speaker 2: need to stop.
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Speaker 3: You need to stop.
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Speaker 2: In the same article the list of some of the
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Speaker 2: problems they were able to obtain, even though they do
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Speaker 2: note that due to the level of secrecy and overall
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Speaker 2: lack of transparency, it is a bit difficult to pinpoint
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Speaker 2: the depth of the involvement of the company with the
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Speaker 2: dealings with the government, but the rumor seems to point
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Speaker 2: to the again the company and its founder Peter Till
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Speaker 2: as a main character in this whole situation, Like he
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Speaker 2: is a big bad in this whole situation.
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Speaker 3: Okay, but coming back to.
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Speaker 2: Their list specifically, We're not going to go off the
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Speaker 2: whole list, but we just really wanted to mention a
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Speaker 2: couple of things that they have tracked.
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Speaker 3: They talk about the usage of the ELITE.
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Speaker 2: System, meaning like they use the acronym ELITE, which is
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Speaker 2: Enhanced Least Identification and Targeting for Enforcement, which is quote
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Speaker 2: used in immigration enforcement operations for identifying and prioritizing high
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Speaker 2: value targets through advance and analytics as In fact, the
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Speaker 2: user guide puts it as that the system is used
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Speaker 2: with the idea that not only can they get one target,
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Speaker 2: a high profile target, but that it will lead to
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Speaker 2: a target rich area. And they get all this information
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Speaker 2: using sensitive data from the Department of Human Health Services
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Speaker 2: as well as the US Citizenship and Immigration Services, and
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Speaker 2: they do so by illegally buying data, so meaning they
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Speaker 2: don't get a WARRAN, they just go ahead just buy
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Speaker 2: it and then have an AI driven system with human oversight.
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Speaker 2: So they say, but according to the findings and reports
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Speaker 2: from four oh four media, that's not really the case.
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Speaker 2: I'm imagining there's a human sitting there as is bringing
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Speaker 2: up information.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think many questions are being asked.
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Speaker 2: No, they're not actually going through it to be like
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Speaker 2: is this research right? Do I need to look it up?
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Speaker 2: Let's see what this is? Information is correct, misinformation and disinformation.
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Speaker 2: So that's one of the systems that they use. The
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Speaker 2: Investigative Case Management Platform or ICM A used by DHS.
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Speaker 2: It literally is just a file of information. Like if
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Speaker 2: you've done case management, you know you have to get
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Speaker 2: all this data and collect information, but it shows how
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Speaker 2: you went about things. Essentially, it just logs how you're
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Speaker 2: doing things and what you're doing with some of the information.
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Speaker 2: But for this system, it does much more, including the
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Speaker 2: investigative portions. So whatever information they have in that file,
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Speaker 2: they're using it to investigate eve as the evidence for
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Speaker 2: finding people or are locking people up. And yes, this
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Speaker 2: is solely done by Palenteer.
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Speaker 3: There's no other hands to this.
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Speaker 2: Palenteer's the main source here, which also access to a
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Speaker 2: lot of the federal database as well as some private ones.
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Speaker 2: So Palenteer has all the information, all the information, to
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Speaker 2: be fair, so does Elon Musk and DOGE. So they
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Speaker 2: have all this information for no reason other than case management.
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Speaker 2: And there's quite a bit more, like we said, including
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Speaker 2: the fact that there's a thirty million dollar contract that
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Speaker 2: was secured by Palenteer with the government that started in
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty five just to upgrade the existing systems, but
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Speaker 2: also to help get new inventory of information, including the
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Speaker 2: tip off process, meaning when they're getting people calling in
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Speaker 2: like the teacher who was very angry that there was
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Speaker 2: an immigrant child in her class that was just there
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Speaker 2: because they were.
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Speaker 3: An immigrant anyway.
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Speaker 2: And this contract doesn't end until twenty twenty seven, and honestly,
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Speaker 2: I don't know we know with ending of contracts, that
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Speaker 2: doesn't mean it's ending, but something probably new, bad is
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Speaker 2: happening because we know this current administration will still be
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Speaker 2: in office in twenty twenty seven. Maybe by that point
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Speaker 2: we'll have a midterm turnaround on can know, crossing fingers, oh,
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Speaker 2: and BT dubs. Since ICE has been placed at airports, yeah,
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Speaker 2: TSA has also given many a tips. I believe eighty
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Speaker 2: thousand tips, which has led to eight hundred arrests.
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Speaker 3: No, it might be more.
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Speaker 2: Than that, but it's a large amount of tips, and
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Speaker 2: they have led to eight hundred arrests.
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Speaker 3: For people at airports.
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Speaker 2: So it could just be simple of people coming in
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Speaker 2: trying to get yeah, refugee status.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot of people coming to airports from
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Speaker 1: all over.
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Speaker 2: They might just be going from one place to the
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Speaker 2: next literally, But yeah, so that's happened too. So the TSA,
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Speaker 2: I don't know why they would do that. I feel
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Speaker 2: like that's more work for them when they don't have
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Speaker 2: time for this.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well there's a lot that came out of that
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Speaker 1: whole thing. But I know there were a lot of
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Speaker 1: pictures of ICE agents just like hanging out against pillars,
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Speaker 1: hanging out, not doing anything.
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Speaker 3: Just like I will say, they're not masked there.
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Speaker 1: So that's something I did have somebody go to the
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Speaker 1: airport the other day day, being like two weeks ago,
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Speaker 1: a week ago, four hours, four hours get through security
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Speaker 1: and he said, they're a bunch of vice agents all about.
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Speaker 2: They're not actually helping anything. That's the thing is like
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Speaker 2: they were sent to help ye, they're not qualifying.
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Speaker 3: To do it.
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Speaker 1: I know it's searching.
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Speaker 2: They're just chilling literally out of Starbucks.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, anyway.
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Speaker 2: So that's just a little bit of what we're seeing
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Speaker 2: when it comes to the technology being used. Again, we
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Speaker 2: know AI is something that this government has been pushing
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Speaker 2: pretty hard. Whether it's because they have some stakes in it.
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Speaker 2: Whether it's because they think it's going to make the
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Speaker 2: job market cheaper, I don't know.
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Speaker 3: We well, we do kind of know.
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Speaker 2: But all that to say is this actually does help
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Speaker 2: the rich people stay rich, we know that, and to
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Speaker 2: keep marginalized people continually marginalized.
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Speaker 3: So it's not too hard.
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Speaker 2: To see why this type of technology is being used.
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Speaker 2: It's not because they're trying to keep up with the drums.
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Speaker 2: We know, we already know that. So with that part,
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Speaker 2: we're going to move on. We are going to talk
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Speaker 2: about what is happening and who is being targeted by
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Speaker 2: the administration. Who is being targeted by ICE right now.
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Speaker 2: In episode one, we talked about how Islamophobia was a driving.
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Speaker 3: Factor for the creation of DHS.
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Speaker 2: It isn't a big surprise seeing how the current administration
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Speaker 2: has been both targeting and scapegoating the Muslim community today.
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Speaker 2: Some of the most intense ICE rays have been targeting
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Speaker 2: the Somalian community, specifically in Minnesota. The ugly smale campaign
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Speaker 2: against the community from the administration has been intense, between
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Speaker 2: conspiracy theories of daycares committing fraud, which, by the way
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Speaker 2: I called it when I was like, it's really hard
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Speaker 2: to get a daycare license and to stay open. It's
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Speaker 2: really hard to fraud that, so that I'm kind of
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Speaker 2: surprised by this. I'm not saying it can't be done,
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Speaker 2: and there has been a few facilities that have shown fraud.
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Speaker 2: By the way, I believe the people who committing fraud
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Speaker 2: were white women. Doesn't surprise me for some of those
20:23
Speaker 2: cases that they are the owners of it. And there
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Speaker 2: have been a couple of cases in which I believe
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Speaker 2: a couple of people who are on visas did do
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Speaker 2: fraud based on food, but not based on daycare. So like, again,
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Speaker 2: like I said, working at a daycare center, I was like,
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Speaker 2: and then working for working for a state government that
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Speaker 2: does also look at daycare centers and facilities and schools,
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Speaker 2: I was like, that's really kind of difficult. So I'm
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Speaker 2: kind of surprised by this situation.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I called it. That's false.
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Speaker 2: That dude who decided he was going to be like,
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Speaker 2: there's no children in there, they're locking people out. He's
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Speaker 2: been called out pretty hardcore for making crap up. I
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Speaker 2: say that rumor still out there and people still argue
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Speaker 2: they know he proved it. He proved it, and what
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Speaker 2: it did show is people being harassed, children being harassed
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Speaker 2: at daycare, so parents being scared for their children removing them.
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Speaker 2: That has happened. So many daycares have closed because they
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Speaker 2: were targeted by people like this. And you know, we've
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Speaker 2: also seen the accusations of them eating pets. Also not
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Speaker 2: true to the point that local law enforcements have been
21:35
Speaker 2: like there have been no reported cases. We have not
21:37
Speaker 2: seen any cases in this realm. We don't know what
21:39
Speaker 2: you're talking about. Okay, that was a Trump special, by
21:43
Speaker 2: the way, that was a Trump special.
21:46
Speaker 1: Yep, it's one of his go tos.
21:49
Speaker 2: Still don't understand, but that hasn't stopped them from terrorizing
21:54
Speaker 2: and ice rating this community. So in the community of
21:58
Speaker 2: South Saint Cloud, Minnesota, test and rallies were held in
22:01
Speaker 2: opposition to ice rays, which has been happening since December
22:04
Speaker 2: of twenty eventy five, even earlier under the operation Metro
22:08
Speaker 2: Surge that's the name of it, because you know, which
22:12
Speaker 2: according to DHS, was quote the largest immigration enforcement operations
22:16
Speaker 2: ever carried out.
22:17
Speaker 3: They're real proud of this. They're real proud of this,
22:19
Speaker 3: by the way.
22:20
Speaker 2: And the operation is supposedly stopped in February twenty twenty six.
22:23
Speaker 2: Literally there's ours like we're moving out. The person who
22:27
Speaker 2: was in charge is gone. We're going to take them out.
22:30
Speaker 2: But it's clear that many ICE officers are still there.
22:33
Speaker 2: I am still seeing posts from Minnesota content creators talking
22:37
Speaker 2: about protests are still happening, people are still being raided,
22:40
Speaker 2: there are things going down that they're trying to suppress.
22:44
Speaker 2: In fact, the current ICE occupation of the state is
22:47
Speaker 2: still being called Operation Metro Search, Like that's still what
22:52
Speaker 2: it is called. So obviously it's still happening. And this
22:56
Speaker 2: was a report by local news kare E eleven dot com,
22:59
Speaker 2: so a live news there. I think of that our
23:02
Speaker 2: embassy affiliates. Thousands of federal agents descended on Minnesota during
23:07
Speaker 2: Operation Metro Surge. And this was written in March of
23:09
Speaker 2: twenty twenty six.
23:10
Speaker 1: By the way, a.
23:11
Speaker 2: Major reason why they were here in the first place
23:13
Speaker 2: was to the port undocumented Somali immigrants after the President
23:17
Speaker 2: called the Minnesota Somali community garbage in December.
23:23
Speaker 1: The report goes on to say that the actual amount
23:25
Speaker 1: of Somali immigrants arrested was a lot lower than the
23:28
Speaker 1: administration was hoping for. Quote new data released by the
23:31
Speaker 1: Deportation Data Project shows that between December first, twenty twenty five,
23:36
Speaker 1: to March tenth, twenty twenty six, less than three percent
23:39
Speaker 1: of people who were arrested by federal agents during Operation
23:42
Speaker 1: Metro Surge were Somali. This is what was expected. Majority
23:46
Speaker 1: of Somali Americans are US citizens, majority of Somali Americans
23:49
Speaker 1: have legal status. Here, said Council on American Islamic Relations
23:53
Speaker 1: Jailani Hussein. We knew, and we've said this in many
23:56
Speaker 1: different ways that this operation, while it targeted Somali Americans,
24:00
Speaker 1: was really going to focus on the larger Latin American population.
24:05
Speaker 2: And it was later reported in that same article that
24:07
Speaker 2: the government actually increased the number of officers hoping to raise
24:11
Speaker 2: the number of Somalis detained, which did not happen. So
24:14
Speaker 2: they thought, oh, the problem here isn't that these Somalian
24:17
Speaker 2: community people are actually legal. The problem is that we
24:19
Speaker 2: don't have enough officers to get all of them.
24:24
Speaker 3: They were wrong.
24:27
Speaker 1: Who does thought?
24:28
Speaker 3: Who do thought?
24:29
Speaker 2: I believe like it was up like ninety percent or more,
24:33
Speaker 2: definitely more more than ninety percent of the Somali people
24:37
Speaker 2: were actual citizens. And so again they were trying to
24:41
Speaker 2: make something as if it was a big problem just
24:45
Speaker 2: to be able to do something this horrendous, and with that,
24:49
Speaker 2: they tried to claim that they had been arresting quote
24:51
Speaker 2: the worst of the worst. We've heard those repeatedly, criminals,
24:55
Speaker 2: the worst criminals, the most violent criminals, gang members, all
24:58
Speaker 2: these things. But statistics that less than a quarter, if
25:02
Speaker 2: even that, of those detained had any record at all,
25:07
Speaker 2: and at that violent and what I mean by violence
25:11
Speaker 2: felity records. So the Muslim community have been fearful of
25:14
Speaker 2: what is happening with Ice rightly so. Just recently it
25:17
Speaker 2: was reported that a well respected Muslim community leader was
25:21
Speaker 2: detained in Milwaukee. Salasarsor was detained on March thirtieth by
25:26
Speaker 2: ten maybe a dozen agents while driving, being labeled a
25:31
Speaker 2: terrorist without any actual proof. So I was looking through
25:34
Speaker 2: all the different articles and there was no evidence of
25:37
Speaker 2: anything saying that he was a terrorist outside of a
25:40
Speaker 2: Republican political member saying he is an Islamic terrorist.
25:45
Speaker 3: And I'm like, wait, you know you have to get okay.
25:48
Speaker 2: Anyway, from a PBS article, they write, Salasarsor, a Palestinian
25:52
Speaker 2: born legal permanent resident of the United States, was taken
25:55
Speaker 2: into custody by nearly a dozen US Immigration and Customs
25:58
Speaker 2: enforcement agents who surrounded his car on Monday in Milwaukee
26:02
Speaker 2: after he left his home. According to the Islamic Society
26:05
Speaker 2: of Milwaukee, so as it says in the article, he
26:08
Speaker 2: is a legal permanent resident.
26:11
Speaker 3: He's been here, he is.
26:13
Speaker 2: He is a leader of the president of the largest
26:16
Speaker 2: Islamic society in Milwaukee, in Temple, and many are saying
26:20
Speaker 2: he was arrested because of his statements in regards to
26:22
Speaker 2: this genocide of the Palestinians.
26:24
Speaker 3: He is Palestinian, of course he's.
26:26
Speaker 2: Going to be speaking out about this, and many manificials
26:29
Speaker 2: have been calling for his release. But again there's not
26:32
Speaker 2: any updates since his arrest. So this is one of
26:35
Speaker 2: the many conversations that we're having about who is being
26:37
Speaker 2: targeted and why ICE is the one that's going after them.
26:40
Speaker 2: Why did ICE go after him? This has nothing to
26:45
Speaker 2: you know, So it's very concerning about this conversation in general,
26:49
Speaker 2: and with the Muslims talking about being persecuted, this makes
26:52
Speaker 2: a lot more sense. And with the scapegoating of Iran
26:56
Speaker 2: right now and having this war. Although iron and they're
27:02
Speaker 2: lego videos.
27:05
Speaker 3: Any have you seen any of those? No, drama.
27:08
Speaker 2: How to send you some Iran is trying to out
27:13
Speaker 2: social media the US, and I think they're doing it.
27:16
Speaker 3: But anyway, I digress, going back to.
27:20
Speaker 2: Is an obvious target to against the Muslim community again,
27:23
Speaker 2: and they're not winning.
27:24
Speaker 3: They're not doing well. Even though you know this adage
27:27
Speaker 3: has worked before.
27:29
Speaker 2: It's kind of backtracking because people are trying to figure
27:31
Speaker 2: out why, what is happening? Why are you targeting them?
27:34
Speaker 2: There are obviously a lot of them are refugees. Also,
27:37
Speaker 2: we see the fact that they have now backtracked and
27:39
Speaker 2: taken the temporary status for many refugees who have been
27:43
Speaker 2: granted asylum here for this very reason.
27:47
Speaker 3: So there's a lot to that.
27:49
Speaker 2: But as they said before in the article, they're actually
27:52
Speaker 2: just going after the Latino community, which they knew that
27:55
Speaker 2: this was a farce to get to them as well.
27:59
Speaker 2: So a majority of the people they did arrest in
28:02
Speaker 2: these areas are from the Latino community. As more and
28:05
Speaker 2: more reports come out on who is being pursued and profiled,
28:09
Speaker 2: it can't be ignored that the Latino community has been
28:11
Speaker 2: largely impacted by these raids and policies. Business owners, small
28:15
Speaker 2: business owners, individuals, and so much more. Have been shutting
28:18
Speaker 2: their doors and activities in fear of the onslaught of
28:21
Speaker 2: raids occurring in this country. Many have secluded themselves in
28:24
Speaker 2: their homes, isolating away from anybody, including taking children out
28:28
Speaker 2: of schools in fear of being deported or detained. So
28:33
Speaker 2: much so that nonprofits and mutual aid groups have stepped
28:36
Speaker 2: into a system in their day to day lives, including
28:39
Speaker 2: getting groceries and food, getting services to them.
28:42
Speaker 3: So much more.
28:42
Speaker 2: I've seen where content influencers who are like dog related
28:47
Speaker 2: or pet related, helping to get food to them pet
28:50
Speaker 2: related food because there have been so many animals and
28:52
Speaker 2: pets being abandoned. We've seen that a lot, whether it's
28:57
Speaker 2: because they got deported, whether it's because they are fearful
28:59
Speaker 2: of being deported. Like so many things have happened. Mental
29:03
Speaker 2: health services have talked about how the overall impact for
29:06
Speaker 2: the community has been harsh and how many have felt
29:10
Speaker 2: a loss of self and overall higher levels of anxiety
29:13
Speaker 2: due to these types of raids. Their studies happening right
29:17
Speaker 2: now and currently trying to evaluate what this is doing
29:23
Speaker 2: to the community overall and their health in general.
29:27
Speaker 3: And it's bad.
29:28
Speaker 2: Like Harvard has already started their studies, Like I hate
29:31
Speaker 2: that this is the moment of like, well, we're gonna
29:32
Speaker 2: get good information.
29:35
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And it's not just a dramatic take. The
29:40
Speaker 1: targeting of the Latino community is evident and on purpose.
29:44
Speaker 1: From a local NYC news report from abcynny dot com,
29:49
Speaker 1: they write, quote, a new report released by the New
29:52
Speaker 1: York Immigration Coalition finds that agents with ICE unfairly target Latinos.
29:59
Speaker 1: According to research from the Coalition and the University of Colorado,
30:02
Speaker 1: nearly three and four people arrested by ICE agents or Latino.
30:07
Speaker 1: The report says, approximately seventy percent of those arrested by
30:10
Speaker 1: ICE have no criminal conviction or previous record.
30:14
Speaker 3: Right again, it.
30:19
Speaker 2: Is they're going after a target abound people. After that's
30:23
Speaker 2: Supreme Court allowed for racial profiling. We know that a
30:27
Speaker 2: chunk of the people are going to be of the
30:31
Speaker 2: Latin community and ethnicity. And though we're only highlighting a
30:36
Speaker 2: couple of the communities, we do want to say that
30:38
Speaker 2: it isn't just the Muslim in Latin communities who are
30:41
Speaker 2: being affected and who are being tormented by ICE in
30:43
Speaker 2: this administration and being targeted. There's a lot of political
30:47
Speaker 2: motivations on who is being detained, as we talked about
30:50
Speaker 2: with the Palacinian leader who was arrested, they are targeting
30:53
Speaker 2: a lot of people who are vocally opposing some of
30:56
Speaker 2: the decisions of the current administration. They've gone after people
30:58
Speaker 2: who they have noted as being content creators or influencers.
31:02
Speaker 2: They've gone after reporters, They've gone after educators who are
31:06
Speaker 2: writing data or getting information about these types of targeting
31:11
Speaker 2: and profiling all these things. We have seen people who
31:14
Speaker 2: have been protesting for Gaza being arrested, or their citizenship
31:20
Speaker 2: being revoked, their visas being revoked so they can be arrested.
31:23
Speaker 2: We're seeing people being hunted down, of people being stalked,
31:27
Speaker 2: all these things.
31:28
Speaker 3: So it's not just these communities.
31:32
Speaker 2: But of course we're also noting that it is largely
31:37
Speaker 2: these communities.
31:37
Speaker 3: So both those things go hand in hand.
31:39
Speaker 2: But we are going to talk a little more about
31:41
Speaker 2: the people who are being oppressed and when it comes
31:44
Speaker 2: to being vocal and using their first minute right, but
31:48
Speaker 2: when con that that later because this is stretching out
31:52
Speaker 2: to be forever. But anyway, we also want to address
31:55
Speaker 2: the fact that it's not just immigrants who are being detained. Again,
31:59
Speaker 2: it's was a legal citizen, a resident here, but also
32:05
Speaker 2: US citizens. According to the reports from October twenty twenty five,
32:09
Speaker 2: at least one hundred and seventy US citizens have been detained. Again,
32:12
Speaker 2: this is from October. I could not find newer information.
32:15
Speaker 2: They're doing really good at locking down some of this information.
32:18
Speaker 2: By the way, and here's some information from Pro Publica,
32:21
Speaker 2: who's been doing a lot of good reporting. Americans have
32:24
Speaker 2: been dragged, tackled, beaten, tased and shot by immigration agents.
32:27
Speaker 2: They've had their next nil don They've been held outside
32:30
Speaker 2: in the rain while in their underwear. At least three
32:33
Speaker 2: citizens were pregnant when agents detained them.
32:35
Speaker 3: One of those women.
32:36
Speaker 2: Who already had the door of her home blown off
32:39
Speaker 2: while Department of Home and Security Secretaries Christine Nooman watched.
32:42
Speaker 2: At about two dozen Americans have said they were held
32:45
Speaker 2: for more than a day without being able to phone
32:47
Speaker 2: lawyers or loved ones, so they continue.
32:50
Speaker 3: In this article. Because this is a long article.
32:52
Speaker 2: We compiled and reviewed every case we could find of
32:55
Speaker 2: agents holding citizens against their will, whether doing immigration raids
32:59
Speaker 2: or protests. While the tally is almost certainly incomplete, we
33:03
Speaker 2: found more than one hundred and seventy such citizens during
33:06
Speaker 2: the first nine months of President Donald Trump's second administration.
33:10
Speaker 2: Among the citizens detained are nearly twenty children, including two
33:14
Speaker 2: with cancer.
33:15
Speaker 3: That includes four who were held for weeks with.
33:17
Speaker 2: Their undocumented mother and without access to their family's attorney
33:22
Speaker 2: until a congresswoman intervened. We've also seen public officials and
33:27
Speaker 2: political officials being arrested and detained for a couple of days.
33:31
Speaker 2: We see that happen two So a chunk of these
33:33
Speaker 2: people arrested and may have been targeted again due to
33:36
Speaker 2: protesting or even just observing, but they were being labeled
33:40
Speaker 2: as harassers or they were hindering arrests quote unquote, some
33:44
Speaker 2: people just filming was hindering. Again, just filming means they
33:48
Speaker 2: also got shot. So again we'll talk about that then.
34:02
Speaker 2: And that actually brings us to the next topic of
34:05
Speaker 2: deaths of detainees, which I'm sorry, y'all, Oh, yeah, I
34:10
Speaker 2: have to talk about it.
34:11
Speaker 1: Yeah. So first, in twenty twenty five alone, thirty two
34:16
Speaker 1: people have died in ice custody, the most deaths in
34:20
Speaker 1: more than two decades. From a Guardian article released in
34:23
Speaker 1: January of twenty twenty six, quote, thirty two people died
34:26
Speaker 1: in immigration and Customs Enforcement ice custody in twenty twenty five,
34:30
Speaker 1: making it the agency's deadliest year and more than two decades,
34:34
Speaker 1: as the Trump administration moved to detain a record number
34:37
Speaker 1: of people. Some of those who died in detention had
34:40
Speaker 1: arrived in the US recently seeking asylum. Others had arrived
34:44
Speaker 1: years ago, some as young children. Some had been apprehended
34:48
Speaker 1: on criminal charges or had served time for convictions. Others
34:52
Speaker 1: had been picked up in the administration's indiscriminate ice raids.
34:56
Speaker 2: Right So, since then January twenty twenty six, there has
35:01
Speaker 2: been recorded fifteen deaths in the detention centers. As of
35:04
Speaker 2: April seventh. This is one of those pieces where I
35:06
Speaker 2: had one information and then they're like, oh, we have
35:08
Speaker 2: to update, we have to add new death.
35:12
Speaker 3: And a bit more.
35:13
Speaker 2: From the Kaiser Family Foundation, which is an independent research
35:16
Speaker 2: and polling organization, they write a total of thirty two
35:19
Speaker 2: deaths among ice in ice custody or detention between January
35:23
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five and March twenty twenty six were among
35:26
Speaker 2: people with existing medical conditions who appear to experience worsening
35:30
Speaker 2: health complications contributing to their death, while the remaining share
35:35
Speaker 2: were reported as due to suicide or other causes. That's
35:41
Speaker 2: really upsetting. But all of these deaths and then we
35:44
Speaker 2: like other causes. I'm like, excuse me, what is other
35:47
Speaker 2: other causes?
35:49
Speaker 1: Yeah?
35:49
Speaker 3: Okay?
35:52
Speaker 2: And with that, there has been allegations that ICE officers
35:56
Speaker 2: have been betting on detainees dying by suicide. Again, this
36:01
Speaker 2: is just an allegation from a recent article in MSN
36:04
Speaker 2: dot com. They write, a former detainee has alleged that
36:07
Speaker 2: guards at the US's largest immigration detention center that five
36:11
Speaker 2: hundred dollars on which detainee would die by suicide next,
36:14
Speaker 2: claims denied by the Department of Homeland Security. The facility
36:18
Speaker 2: Camp East Montana, has recorded three deaths in forty four
36:22
Speaker 2: days and were recently found to have forty nine major
36:25
Speaker 2: safety violations in an internal ICE audit, so within their
36:29
Speaker 2: own audit. So I can't imagine beyond that. It goes
36:34
Speaker 2: on amid mounting political pressure and contractor changes. Calls for
36:38
Speaker 2: full federal investigation and possible closures are intensifying. I don't
36:44
Speaker 2: want a federal I want to outside. I want outside
36:48
Speaker 2: ACLU level law for u WIN level of audits. I
36:54
Speaker 2: do not trust the federal level at this point, Oh.
36:57
Speaker 1: No, no way.
37:00
Speaker 2: So in our next episode we will dig deeper into
37:04
Speaker 2: what is happening within the detention centers and how many
37:07
Speaker 2: have called out the organizations for the lack of health
37:10
Speaker 2: care and safety within the centers. But yes, there are
37:13
Speaker 2: a lot of concerns about debts due to the lack
37:15
Speaker 2: of access to any type of healthcare for those who
37:19
Speaker 2: may be sick or have injuries while they are currently
37:22
Speaker 2: reports are showing that the facilities have been more than
37:25
Speaker 2: lacking when it comes to providing care for people being detained.
37:29
Speaker 2: So in another report by NBC dot Com, they talk
37:32
Speaker 2: about some of the deaths that have occurred in twenty
37:33
Speaker 2: twenty six. They write, the tinted facilities known as Camp
37:37
Speaker 2: East Montana, have had a troubled history, starting with a
37:40
Speaker 2: fatal construction accident and three Detaine deaths in less than
37:44
Speaker 2: six weeks, one of which was ruled a homicide. There
37:49
Speaker 2: have also been outbreaks of both tuberculosis and measles.
37:55
Speaker 3: What the hell?
37:59
Speaker 1: Yeah? What years?
38:01
Speaker 3: What years? This well?
38:04
Speaker 2: So they continue with a quote from an official from
38:08
Speaker 2: the Mexico Foreign Ministry. They say four Mexican nationals have died,
38:12
Speaker 2: apparently due to medical complications, highlighting a pattern of persistent
38:17
Speaker 2: structural deficiencies. Vanessa Calvo Ruez, the Director General of Consular
38:21
Speaker 2: Protection and Strategic Planning, said the reoccurrence and frequencies of
38:25
Speaker 2: these deaths are absolutely unacceptable. So some of these deaths
38:31
Speaker 2: are due to medical neglect, like from those with diabetes, hypertension,
38:36
Speaker 2: and asthma. We're going to talk a little more about
38:39
Speaker 2: the women and the ditention centers in the next episode
38:43
Speaker 2: as well. This is why it's taking so long of
38:47
Speaker 2: a process and getting all this information because it's so
38:49
Speaker 2: disturbing and we're getting more and more information, including the
38:53
Speaker 2: fact that they're having pregnant only facilities, but they're not
38:58
Speaker 2: actually getting care to those facilities, which is really concerning. Also,
39:03
Speaker 2: there have been allegations about whether or not they were
39:05
Speaker 2: pregnant before they were detained, and that some of these
39:09
Speaker 2: are minors, and so I don't know because I haven't
39:14
Speaker 2: seen reports. Again, like I said, we'll talk a little
39:16
Speaker 2: more bit about it. But desk due to pregnancy complications,
39:20
Speaker 2: I don't know if we have those numbers, but we'll
39:22
Speaker 2: be coming back to that as well. Again, some of
39:26
Speaker 2: these deaths are even more suspicious again, homicide one case,
39:32
Speaker 2: the death of mister Luna's compost has sparked a lot
39:34
Speaker 2: of concern and outcry as the explanation of his death
39:38
Speaker 2: does not make sense. So this was a report by
39:41
Speaker 2: American Immigration Council dot org. They write, initially I stated
39:46
Speaker 2: mister Luna's compost experienced the medical emergency after becoming quote disruptive,
39:51
Speaker 2: but soon after the El Paso County Medical Examiner ruled
39:54
Speaker 2: his death was a homicide arising from asphyxia due to
39:58
Speaker 2: neck and torso compression. DHS then attempted to blame his
40:01
Speaker 2: death on attempted suicide. According to reporting, a witness said
40:06
Speaker 2: mister Luna's complice was handcuffed while at least five guards
40:09
Speaker 2: held him down and when guard squeezed his neck until
40:13
Speaker 2: he was unconscious. So this is not the only report
40:17
Speaker 2: of it being suspicious death and whether or not this
40:22
Speaker 2: could have been possible that it was die by suicide.
40:27
Speaker 2: The reports again are just difficult to get and incomplete
40:32
Speaker 2: to say the least. And honestly, I know I don't
40:35
Speaker 2: want to end with such a bleak ending, but it
40:39
Speaker 2: doesn't seem to be getting better, and the death toll
40:41
Speaker 2: keith rising. Literally like I said, the latest death happened
40:45
Speaker 2: was reported not as that happened was reported yesterday, April
40:48
Speaker 2: seventh of twenty twenty six. So I know as we
40:51
Speaker 2: keep going, the numbers continue to rise as the medical
40:54
Speaker 2: neglect continues to happen. I read complaints of people not
40:58
Speaker 2: being able to get their glasses and they can't see
41:01
Speaker 2: again their medications for different types of elements, including diabetes,
41:06
Speaker 2: which is quite important. They're not getting food to help
41:10
Speaker 2: onset diabetes, so people who need more sugar, hyperglycemia, hypoke lastmia,
41:16
Speaker 2: all these things. It is very concerning. People are being
41:21
Speaker 2: isolated to the point that they are not able to
41:24
Speaker 2: get to anybody. They don't see anybody to ask a
41:26
Speaker 2: request for this medication. People are talking about hypothermia within
41:33
Speaker 2: these facilities as well, and I'm guessing we're kind to
41:36
Speaker 2: come up to heat stroke soon enough, which has already
41:40
Speaker 2: been a conversation. Recently, we've seen outbreaks of measles in
41:44
Speaker 2: areas that are children only. Like You're like, what is happening?
41:48
Speaker 2: So there's a lot to be said in this conversation.
41:52
Speaker 2: But there are people who are fighting obviously. This is
41:55
Speaker 2: why we are able to get some of this information
41:57
Speaker 2: and we're going to get this information as much as
41:58
Speaker 2: we can, and so we always list a few of
42:01
Speaker 2: these organizations out. The ACLU has been doing. No matter
42:04
Speaker 2: what you may think of the ACLU and how big
42:07
Speaker 2: they are, they have been doing a lot of the
42:09
Speaker 2: work carefully watching different parts of DHLS. Like we said,
42:14
Speaker 2: they've been recording to see what was happening with Pollenteer,
42:17
Speaker 2: which is a big set off. Like I knew nothing
42:19
Speaker 2: about Pollenteer until not too long ago. So for that
42:22
Speaker 2: fact that they've been looking at them since twenty eleven
42:24
Speaker 2: says a lot that they are trying to keep an
42:27
Speaker 2: eye on things. They're also the ones that are taking
42:30
Speaker 2: a lot of these cases to court to fight some
42:33
Speaker 2: of these bad policies and overturn some of these bad policies,
42:36
Speaker 2: getting people released if they have been detained, trying to
42:41
Speaker 2: get them a hearing to begin with. So ACLU has
42:43
Speaker 2: done a lot of that. We have seen publications like Wired,
42:48
Speaker 2: who was focused pretty hardcore on what's happening with Ice,
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Speaker 2: really appreciate that Pro Publica has made a stance and
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Speaker 2: has made a stance very loudly that they would continue
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Speaker 2: to investigate what has happened there. Those that they associated
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Speaker 2: press who have been able to get some information through
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Speaker 2: different types of documents and some whistle blowers, so we
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Speaker 2: know that that is happening as well. Grassroots organizations have
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Speaker 2: been working hard to fire against some of these things.
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Speaker 2: I've seen different organizations who are on the ground, like
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Speaker 2: literally at detention centers when someone is released, to be
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Speaker 2: able to give them clothing, because they are oftentimes released
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Speaker 2: without proper clothing, maybe not even shoes there. We've seen
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Speaker 2: a case where an elderly blind man, sick man was
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Speaker 2: dropped off in the middle of nowhere and died because
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Speaker 2: he could not get anybody's assistance because Ice was that
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Speaker 2: cruel in releasing him. So we have organizations that are
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Speaker 2: actually there helping to make sure that they can get them.
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Speaker 2: We have organizations that are actually there helping families go
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Speaker 2: see some of the detainees.
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Speaker 3: Apparently we'll talk a little bit about this too.
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Speaker 2: Some of the facilities have made it so impossible for
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Speaker 2: families to get in contact with those detain literally like
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Speaker 2: strict dress codes telling people who are wearing skirts, you
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Speaker 2: can't wear that in here, and turning them away, knowing
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Speaker 2: that they have a small window when they can even
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Speaker 2: visit them, so trying to limit access for detainees.
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Speaker 3: To see people outside.
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Speaker 2: So organizations have been there with clothes to help them
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Speaker 2: change quickly to go into there because they've been watching
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Speaker 2: what's happening. I cannot believe this is the thing, but
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Speaker 2: organizations like that are what is helping fight against inhumane
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Speaker 2: efforts like ICE. There was a Reddit post which I
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Speaker 2: really love to see who that was asking, I'm really
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Speaker 2: you know, discouraged, what can we do? And one redditor
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Speaker 2: was like, I got your back. Their title was fur
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Speaker 2: tea so f u rt dearborn eighteen seventy one, very
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Speaker 2: long reddit name. They had a whole list of grassroots organizations.
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Speaker 2: They listed organizations from New Orleans, Minnesota, Chicago, Louisiana, and
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Speaker 2: New York, North Carolina that that people can support, and
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Speaker 2: then they listed all organizations like Black Alliance for Just Immigration,
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Speaker 2: Midwest Immigration Fund, and so many more. So shout out
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Speaker 2: to them whoever they were, because they did some good
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Speaker 2: work and trying to answer some of these questions. I
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Speaker 2: love when things like that happened, Like redd It's like, yeah,
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Speaker 2: here you go, but yeah, there are things out there.
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Speaker 2: There are people out there who are doing good work,
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Speaker 2: and we do want to acknowledge that, and without them
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Speaker 2: keeping people accountable, keeping records, historical records would be impossible.
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Speaker 3: So shout out to all of them.
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