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Congressman Massie joined Brian Thomas this morning · Brian Thomas

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the beginning of my favorite hour radio. We
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  Speaker 1: get to hear from Congressman Thomas Massey you, followed by
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  Speaker 1: Judge Ennapolitano, who may very well be listening right now.
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  Speaker 1: Joe Strecker gave him the heads up that Congressman Massey
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  Speaker 1: you'd be on the program right now. Welcome back, my friend.
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  Speaker 1: It's always a pleasure having you on the show.
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  Speaker 2: Great to be on. I'd rather be in DC, but
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  Speaker 2: Speaker Johnston doesn't want us to come back.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I I you'd rather be in DC. You're not
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  Speaker 1: in d C, which you anticipated one of what was
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  Speaker 1: going to be one of my questions about this shut down. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: we're in the middle of a shutdown. No, the Democrats
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  Speaker 1: will not agree to continuing to operate at the levels
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  Speaker 1: that they created last year. It's the Biden level spending
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  Speaker 1: that the Republicans passed over your objection, and I understand
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  Speaker 1: that with the continuing resolution, they can't complain about cuts,
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  Speaker 1: the governor anything. They're just trying to keep it open
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  Speaker 1: and keep us hostage. Although none of my listening audience
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  Speaker 1: feels hostage. Congressman Massy the oldest hostage so they can
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  Speaker 1: continue COVID era premium supplements under Obama, I mean COVID's over.
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  Speaker 1: They put the deadline of December of twenty twenty five
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  Speaker 1: in the legislation extending these benefits. They knew this was coming, obviously.
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  Speaker 1: This is a pretext shutdown for them to continue along
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  Speaker 1: the path of bringing us basically medicaid for all under
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  Speaker 1: the Obamacare umbrella. Am I on the right path? Congressrom messy?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, let me back up before we unpack all of that.
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  Speaker 2: So not only are we in a shutdown, we're in
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  Speaker 2: a recess. And this is interesting because usually during a shutdown,
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  Speaker 2: Congress is in session.
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  Speaker 1: There you go.
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  Speaker 2: But the Speaker Johnson has decided politically it's better for
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  Speaker 2: us not to be in town now. He says, the
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  Speaker 2: reason is he doesn't want the Democrats doing dilatory things
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  Speaker 2: on the floor, maybe making motions or whatnot. But the
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  Speaker 2: reality is, if he were to call us back today,
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  Speaker 2: he would have to swear in the one hundred and
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  Speaker 2: eighteenth signature on my Epstein petition and he could force
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  Speaker 2: a vote on releasing the Epstein file.
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  Speaker 1: Is that what this is about?
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  Speaker 2: This is I'm calling it. Okay, it may be the
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  Speaker 2: Schumer shut down, but it's the Epstein recess, is what
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  Speaker 2: it is.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the way to say, Okay, we're gonna get dive
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  Speaker 1: to more of the details on this one. But my
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  Speaker 1: question to you is going to be, and I just
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  Speaker 1: was putting the recess reality in the back of my mind,
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  Speaker 1: if you if the government shut down, that doesn't stop
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  Speaker 1: you or the Senate from working on the twelve appropriations bills,
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  Speaker 1: which is the reason you're doing the CR to keep
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  Speaker 1: the government open until the middle of November, because the
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  Speaker 1: way we're doing it right now, it's going to be
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  Speaker 1: shut down up until the deadline that's in the CR.
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  Speaker 2: You can't open the government back down if Congress shut
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  Speaker 2: it down and Congress is not in session. So it's
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I understand, I understand his excuse, but I
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  Speaker 2: think it's it's just an excuse, and I think we
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  Speaker 2: should be in Washington, d C. In the event that
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  Speaker 2: the Senate does come to some agreement, then the House
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  Speaker 2: could act immediately. But he's trying to basically jam the
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  Speaker 2: Senate because the House already passed the CR and then
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  Speaker 2: the Senate's sitting there and they're just having new votes
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  Speaker 2: on that same CR to try to get more Democrats
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  Speaker 2: to fold. People ask me when will the shutdown end,
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  Speaker 2: and I will tell you it ends the way it
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  Speaker 2: always ends. It ends when one side's polling shows that
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  Speaker 2: they're taking a butt whipping in public opinion, and then
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  Speaker 2: they come to the table and give in. So right now,
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  Speaker 2: neither side has a clear indication that they're losing the
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  Speaker 2: messaging war. So we're going to be in a shutdown
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  Speaker 2: for a while. I believe the next big milestone is
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  Speaker 2: the middle of this month, which is when government employees
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  Speaker 2: they get paid five monthly twice a month. That is
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  Speaker 2: going to be the big showdown there now, most not
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  Speaker 2: well a majority of government workers are probably Democrats. I
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  Speaker 2: know a lot of good Republicans who work for the government,
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  Speaker 2: but I would say a majority of them, especially in DC,
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  Speaker 2: are Democrats. So the interesting thing is going to be
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  Speaker 2: when they don't get their next paycheck. Now, the reality is,
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  Speaker 2: I don't mean to sound callous or to diminish this,
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  Speaker 2: but the credit unions will give anybody who's a member
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  Speaker 2: of the credit union at advance on their paycheck because
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  Speaker 2: they know that I'm talking about the Federal credit union
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  Speaker 2: right because they know they're going to get paid. There's
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  Speaker 2: never the employees who are whether they're essential or non essential,
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  Speaker 2: they will all get paid when the shutdown is over.
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  Speaker 2: That's the way it's been with every shutdown. And knowing
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  Speaker 2: that the federal credit unions will give the paycheck to
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  Speaker 2: any federal employee, advance it without interest.
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  Speaker 1: It's a safe risk.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, but it still makes it's still going to
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  Speaker 2: be and not everybody's in a credit union, and it's
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  Speaker 2: still going to make a talking point on the fifteenth
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  Speaker 2: of this month when they don't get paid. But in
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  Speaker 2: the meantime, let me remind everybody what is on the table.
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  Speaker 2: The Republicans thought they could avoid a shutdown by completely surrendering. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: they just passed Joe Biden's budget. That's exactly penny for penny.
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  Speaker 2: It's Joe Biden's budget, line for line, that's what the
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  Speaker 2: House of Representatives put on the floor. I didn't vote
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  Speaker 2: for it, and one other Republican did not vote for it.
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  Speaker 2: But it's still passed the House. It went to the Senate,
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  Speaker 2: and ironically, you have people Republicans who didn't vote for
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  Speaker 2: it when it was under Joe, when Joe Biden was president,
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  Speaker 2: but now that Donald Trump is president, they're voting for
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  Speaker 2: Joe Biden's budget. It's I'm literally one of the only
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  Speaker 2: members of Congress who hasn't flipped their vote on this.
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  Speaker 2: It used to be the other.
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  Speaker 1: Right around, because you're a you're a fiscal hawk and
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  Speaker 1: of course a constitutional purist, and there's are reasons why
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  Speaker 1: you wouldn't want to extend Joe Biden's level funding, and
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  Speaker 1: I understand that all day long. But from a strategy standpoint,
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  Speaker 1: ignoring the side that you and I are both on,
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  Speaker 1: it does make sense to keep that Biden level because
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  Speaker 1: that satisfied the Democrats last year. And that's a wonderful
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  Speaker 1: talking point when you're trying to counter there oh my god,
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  Speaker 1: we're all going to die narrative that goes along with this,
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  Speaker 1: with this shutdown in the Republican cr And.
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  Speaker 2: Let me tell you something, just to be completely intellectually honest,
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  Speaker 2: Joe Biden's budget because of Joe Biden's inflation. If you
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  Speaker 2: do the same thing dollar for dollar, it's going to
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  Speaker 2: be about five percent less than it was last year
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  Speaker 2: because of inflation. But and so you might say, well, then,
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  Speaker 2: Congress and Matthew, why wouldn't you be inclined to vote
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  Speaker 2: for Joe Biden's spending levels, since inflation will reduce this
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  Speaker 2: and solve the budget problem for you. Well, there's two reasons. One,
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  Speaker 2: spending is policy. It's it's not that we've spent one
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  Speaker 2: point five trillion under Joe Biden and we're going to
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  Speaker 2: spend one point five trillion under Trump. It's that every
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  Speaker 2: line item in there is exactly the same, including the
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  Speaker 2: things that we cut out in DOGE. Now, the DOGE
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  Speaker 2: cuts were only temporary, So what happens if Joe Biden's
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  Speaker 2: budget passes again? All of the stuff we cut out
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  Speaker 2: using DOGE goes back into the budget. So and then
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  Speaker 2: the DEI stuff, that's all that's all going to be
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  Speaker 2: in there. So it's number one. Spending is policy when
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  Speaker 2: you do it line by line. If you said, well,
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  Speaker 2: well Trump will spend exactly the same amount, diminished by inflation,
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  Speaker 2: but we'll move it around to different priorities, I might
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  Speaker 2: be able to get behind that. Now here's the other
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  Speaker 2: reason I'm not for Joe Biden's budget minus the five
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  Speaker 2: percent inflation because in the Big Beautiful Bill, which was
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  Speaker 2: supposed to only deal with mandatory spending, they added about
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  Speaker 2: four hundred billion dollars of discretionary spending. So they put
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  Speaker 2: appropriations in the big bill a few months ago on
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  Speaker 2: DOJ that's Department of Justice, Department of Homeland Security, and
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  Speaker 2: Department of Defense. So they the Republicans have already plussed
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  Speaker 2: up spending so that even if we passed Joe Biden's budget,
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  Speaker 2: which is what Mike Johnson wants to do and John Dune,
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  Speaker 2: even if we passed Joe Biden's budget, and even if
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  Speaker 2: we can account for inflation diminishing those dollar values, they've
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  Speaker 2: already plussed up the budget a few months ago. And
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  Speaker 2: that's really what they won't tell you on the news.
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  Speaker 2: That's why the Democrats are mad. They didn't get a
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  Speaker 2: plus up in their line items and the usual deal
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  Speaker 2: wink wink, nod nod in Washington, d C. Is Republicans
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  Speaker 2: increased their spending and Democrats increased their spending, and that's
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  Speaker 2: how you get to sixty votes in the Senate. So
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  Speaker 2: that's why they're not voting for it. And then they're
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  Speaker 2: making up these other medical things. Those aren't fights. If
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  Speaker 2: the stuff expires in December, then that's when you have
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  Speaker 2: the fight in December. They're also trying to undo the
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  Speaker 2: fraud fixes that we put in the big beautiful bill
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  Speaker 2: to keep illegals from getting Medicaid and whatnot. The Democrats
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  Speaker 2: are trying to take that back out. But that's not
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  Speaker 2: the fight that you're supposed to have on these appropriations bills.
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  Speaker 2: This should be only the twelve spending bills, and you're right,
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  Speaker 2: we should be back in Washington working on.
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  Speaker 1: Them and where they'll have another opportunity to do whatever
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  Speaker 1: the hell they want by way of policy or extending
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  Speaker 1: supplements for people who otherwise don't need it. Let's pause.
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  Speaker 1: Bring Congressman Thomas Massey back at eight fifteen. Right now
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  Speaker 1: fifty five Kerr s talk Ryan Thomas and Congressman Thomas
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  Speaker 1: Massey Congress and Massy you suggested, and I think it's
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  Speaker 1: a foregone conclusion. You are ultimately going to get your
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  Speaker 1: vote on the Epstein file release. And I always like
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  Speaker 1: to use this opportunity as a time to express my
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  Speaker 1: dismay that Trump did a one to eighty. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: he campaigned on releasing the stuff. A lot of Republicans
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  Speaker 1: were demanding it during the Biden administration. Democrats didn't bother
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  Speaker 1: uh pushing to release the documents when they had the
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  Speaker 1: opportunity to do so, but now they're clamoring to do it.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what changed, honestly, no one brings it
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  Speaker 1: up anymore except you this morning, for example. But once
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  Speaker 1: the government shutdown is over and people return to work
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  Speaker 1: and the recess is over, there's going to be a vote,
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  Speaker 1: right yeah, And.
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  Speaker 2: The government shutdown doesn't have to be over. This is
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  Speaker 2: an act of Congress that doesn't require funding. We can
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  Speaker 2: go back into session, and as soon as we do,
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  Speaker 2: there's a congresswoman named Grihalva's who won her election two
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  Speaker 2: weeks ago who hasn't been sworn in. This is also unprecedented,
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  Speaker 2: the bigious thing. But we're not in. But the reality
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  Speaker 2: is we have these pro formas sessions every four days
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  Speaker 2: to keep the House and the Senate from going into recess. Ironically,
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  Speaker 2: to keep President Trump from making ress appointments. I don't
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  Speaker 2: agree with it, but that's what they do. Every four
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  Speaker 2: days they meet, and they could swear this congresswoman in
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  Speaker 2: on one of these recess appointments, because they did that
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  Speaker 2: with two Republicans already this year, but the speaker's not
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  Speaker 2: doing it. So as soon as we get back. Now,
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  Speaker 2: this is what I'm telling you is predicated on an
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  Speaker 2: assumption that none of my three Republican co signers can
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  Speaker 2: be flipped by the White House, because the White House
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  Speaker 2: is trying desperately to get either Marjorie Taylor Green, Nancy Mace,
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  Speaker 2: or Lauren Bobert to take their names off of my petition.
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  Speaker 2: But should they succeed in getting one of those women
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  Speaker 2: to take their names off the petition, there's another congress
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  Speaker 2: person who will be elected in November who will be
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  Speaker 2: signing the discharge petition. So I don't know why they
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  Speaker 2: keep dragging this out, whether they just keep fighting to
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  Speaker 2: the bitter end. We should have the vote. They can
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  Speaker 2: try to stop me in the Senate, but they do.
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  Speaker 2: Here's the thing, Briant, they don't even want to have
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  Speaker 2: the vote.
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  Speaker 1: Well, lots of red flags waved over that one. Just
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  Speaker 1: I mean, that just fuels the conspiracy theory narrative out there.
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  Speaker 1: And who are we protecting on this?
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  Speaker 2: Good? Good question, good question. So the victims lawyers have
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  Speaker 2: indicated to me they are at least twenty men who
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  Speaker 2: e Stein trafficked women to that they gave the names
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  Speaker 2: to the FBI, and the FBI recorded them, memorialized that
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  Speaker 2: in the three H two forms. So we know that
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  Speaker 2: the FBI has at least twenty names. I think six
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  Speaker 2: of them are billionaires, one of them is a movie producer,
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  Speaker 2: one is a former politician, one is the current person
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  Speaker 2: in government, one's a CEO. Like I don't know their names,
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  Speaker 2: but these are the indication that the victims lawyers have
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  Speaker 2: given to me. And the reason they don't put out
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  Speaker 2: the names is they would be sued into homelessness for defamation.
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  Speaker 2: The government doesn't pursue any of this if they can't
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  Speaker 2: get any of the evidence out there and the government's
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  Speaker 2: in possession of it, So the government needs to release
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  Speaker 2: the names. But here's what I know. I know the
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  Speaker 2: president is trying to protect some top Republican donors and
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  Speaker 2: friends of his in West Palm Beach, and I will
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  Speaker 2: stand by that and go to my grave on that.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that would explain it, wouldn't it. I mean that
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  Speaker 1: it's not right, but it certainly would make sense as
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  Speaker 1: to how he didn't why he did a one to eighty.
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  Speaker 2: And then the other question is, well, if the president's
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  Speaker 2: donors stand to lose in this, White and Joe Biden
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  Speaker 2: and the Democrats pursue this when they were in power. Well,
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  Speaker 2: it's because once you get to the billionaire class, a
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  Speaker 2: lot of these billionaires are just members of the uniparty.
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  Speaker 2: They give to whichever party's in power. Who's ever having
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  Speaker 2: the best parties? How do you get to the link
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  Speaker 2: in bedroom in the White House. So they give to
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  Speaker 2: both parties. And I think you're going to see men
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  Speaker 2: implicated who are friends and donors of both parties in this.
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  Speaker 2: And then also finally, this is the conspiracy theory, but
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  Speaker 2: there's a lot of weight to it. I introduced five
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  Speaker 2: documents into the record in front of Cash Paatel a
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  Speaker 2: few weeks ago in our judiciary hearing that indicate that
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  Speaker 2: Jeffrey Epstein was working with National Intelligence Masad and the CIA.
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  Speaker 2: And I asked, I even asked Cash Pattel, have you
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  Speaker 2: seen the CIA file on Jeffrey Epstein? He has not so,
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  Speaker 2: and there is one. Now, why wouldn't he go look
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  Speaker 2: at that?
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  Speaker 1: Good question?
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know he's allowed to go see that. You
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  Speaker 2: can't keep the director of the FBI because.
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  Speaker 1: He looks at it. He's going to have to answer
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  Speaker 1: your questions. He can just play ignorance. I don't want
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  Speaker 1: to see it because that'll have I'll say, yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: do know what's in there. Yeah, that makes sense.
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  Speaker 2: I asked Cash Battelly, have you seen the three h
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  Speaker 2: two forms that the FBI filled out when they interviewed
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  Speaker 2: the victims. He's not seen them. No, he's trusting. His
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  Speaker 2: answer to me was he trusts that the people working
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  Speaker 2: at the FBI would have given him those names if
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  Speaker 2: they were credible evidence. And then my question is do
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  Speaker 2: you not think the victims are credible? Let's the Speaker
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  Speaker 2: of the House is trying to say that he's trying
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  Speaker 2: to protect the victims, but my legislation would redact their
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  Speaker 2: names in anything that could be used to identify them
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  Speaker 2: out of the files, and the victims themselves support my legislation.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the big point right there. Yeah, he's making
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  Speaker 1: an argument on their behalf that they don't want asserted. Wow.
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  Speaker 2: Well, welcome to government.
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  Speaker 1: No kid in CONGRESSMSSI, let me ask you a simple,
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  Speaker 1: straightforward question. Since Judge Jennen Toan Andrew Napoletana is up
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  Speaker 1: next and he's maybe listening but going to be commenting
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  Speaker 1: on this is an opinion from the Office of Legal
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  Speaker 1: Counsel within the Justice Department. Telling Donald Trump that he
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  Speaker 1: is allowed to authorize deadly force use against weal cartel's
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  Speaker 1: because they pose an eminent threat to Americans. Does a
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  Speaker 1: boat fifteen hundred miles away a small boat maybe goes
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  Speaker 1: fifteen to twenty knots? Is that an eminent threat to
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  Speaker 1: the United States of America.
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  Speaker 2: I know somebody who worked in the Office of Legal
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  Speaker 2: Council under Nixon, under Reagan, and he's still alive, and
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  Speaker 2: he's in DC, and he advises me, and he says
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  Speaker 2: that department exists just to justify anything the President won.
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  Speaker 2: This man's testified in front of Congress on Iran Contra,
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  Speaker 2: like he knows that the Office of Legal Council, they
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  Speaker 2: sit over there constructing scaffolding that can go, you know,
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  Speaker 2: ten stories high, and it's built out of bamboo and
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  Speaker 2: lashed together with very legal arguments, and they just rely
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  Speaker 2: on Congress not challenging them.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that's kind of the answer I expected Congress and
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  Speaker 1: Thomas Massey, I appreciate the time you spoke my listeners
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  Speaker 1: of me providing some truth in a world where we
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  Speaker 1: desperately need to keep up the great work. I'll look
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  Speaker 1: forward today you return from recess and start working on
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  Speaker 1: the appropriation bill's Congress Massey, I'll look forward to having
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  Speaker 1: you back on the show real soon.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, Brian. Say hi to the Judge for me.
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