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COVID-19 Was a Military Psyop · UK Column Radio

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Debbie Lerman, thank you for joining me in the trenches
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again. Thank you so much for having me
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again. So I think about this quite
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often when I chat to you, but I have to bring it up since I have
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a different audience now. So you and I chatted, I think
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for the first time, Debbie, I was a 2022.
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And I remember when I emailed you and and you replied and you
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said I'll come on to your show. But there's a whole bunch of
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stuff I just want to put out there.
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You know, I don't agree with you on this.
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And I'm I'm, I'm, you know, I don't want to talk about that.
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And you are very apprehensive. Now here we are talking many
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times since then. What?
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What happened? So thanks I I really appreciated
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it. Actually, you were the first
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person who approached me to interview me.
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I think it was when I wrote about Deborah Birx, which was a
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long, long time ago. It was my first step towards
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understanding what happened with COVID.
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I mean, I had no idea what was going on.
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All I was doing was following the facts and the clues that
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were, that were out there that nobody else was looking at.
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And you were the first one to notice that.
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And then I but at the time I was still, I still considered myself
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a sort of liberal, you know, I still use the terms liberal and
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conservative as if they were like kind of meaningful or
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Democrat or Republican. They.
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Don't mean anything. They really don't mean anything,
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which I now understand, but at the time I was also even more
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concerned about conspiracy theories, believe it or not,
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because now I'm the biggest conspiracy.
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Evan Forbid. Evan Forbid.
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So I was very concerned, OK, that the COVID conspiracy, which
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is what I was investigating, which I knew to be true, or at
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least at the time I started to believe or understand that there
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were underlying currents that were happening that people
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didn't know about. So that's called conspiracy.
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We call it conspiracy facts in the conspiracy community.
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So the conspiracy facts that I knew were one thing, but the
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conspiracy theories about, you know, 911 or about the moon
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landing or about not, not JFK so much, but certain conspiracy
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theories just seem so outlandish that I didn't want my conspiracy
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facts as I viewed them to be confused with your conspiracy
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theories. So I apologise for questioning
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and for not for being hesitant to associate my conspiracies
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with your conspiracies. Now I think we can be very happy
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with all of our conspiracy. It's also silly though, if you
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think about it, because at the end of the day, all we're doing
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is just thinking about events. Yeah, that have happened and
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just wondering about the counter or the alternative angle, that's
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all. That's all.
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Some of them we might believe for sure.
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But as as my friend Nick Hudson said, if there is a big event,
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you can be rest assured that it's most likely fabricated and
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there are a lot of good reasons for that.
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It's not because some, you know, the five guys are sitting on
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table in a dark room going, OK, well, this is how this is how
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we're going to control the event.
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It's all to do with covering one's tracks and, and not
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wanting to be held accountable and all sorts of things.
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And it's also quite absurd, if you think about it, that when
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people call you a conspiracy theorist as if it's a bad thing
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because all you're doing is you're theorising on on
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something that's happened. Like, for example, imagine,
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let's go back a couple thousand years.
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Imagine someone sitting with Judy Caesar saying, listen, we
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have a we have a suspicion that, that there's a group of people
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who want to kill you. And he's like, you're just
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conspiracy theorists, you know? That's a good.
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That's good. Yeah, people do conspire,
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Debbie. Yeah.
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Yeah, they do. Obviously, if you have power and
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you want to keep that power, you conspire with other people who
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have power in order to consolidate it and in order to
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keep it, and you conspire against the people who might try
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to undermine or expose or usurp your power.
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Of course you do. That goes without saying.
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So that's a. That's a good analogy.
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So going back to our 2022 conversation, which for me was
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one of the most important COVID based conversations I think I've
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ever had. Because like you and so many
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others, I was trying to figure out what was going on.
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Because back in March 2020, it was just coincidental that half
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the world decided to lock down their countries for the first
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time in recorded history and started started using the same
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language. I had never before heard the
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term social distancing. And suddenly these stickers
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appeared on the ground saying stand 2 metres away from
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somebody and everybody around the world what you know, that
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we're sharing photographs of the same thing.
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So what was it just a pure coincidence?
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No, obviously it wasn't there. There was obviously something
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going on. And so that that led me down the
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road to eventually finding finding your work and realising
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that this wasn't just a pharmaceutical event.
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This was a lot deeper than that, wasn't it?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Thanks.
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That's that's, that's a good introduction.
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Yes, it was the same with me. Well, first I realised that
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every I knew the virus wasn't dangerous because I had checked
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in January and February. I had looked at the statistics,
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I had looked at the, you know, who was dying and who wasn't.
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Nobody was dying. It wasn't dangerous.
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It was like all the other outbreaks of like MERS and SARS
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and whatever. You know, you get little
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outbreaks, you treat them and you move on.
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And that's what had always been done.
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And I assumed that that's what was going to be done.
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So I, I really wasn't worried. And then when they started
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locking down the whole world and doing all of that, and everybody
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was completely terrified and using masks that that we had
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known before March 2020. Everybody in the medical world
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knows that masks don't work against airborne fire.
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Everybody knows it, or if they knew it now, they don't know it
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anymore. But the propaganda was so
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strong, I actually kind of had a nervous breakdown because
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everybody I knew who I thought was really smart and educated
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was falling for this like crazy garbage, you know?
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And that's what really started me trying to figure out what was
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going on. And then I realised as I was
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investigating it that it wasn't just about the pharmaceutical or
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the public health corruption, which are part of it, but it was
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a giant network, which I call Global Public Private
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Partnership. That's not, I didn't invent
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that. Other people have talked about
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that, but it's the an easier way to say it is a global crime
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cartel. That's the new way that I've
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decided to talk about it because it's easier to say.
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But it's a global conglomeration of public and private entities
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that are all like it, just like a big monster that needs to be
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fed. And it is the military and
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intelligence agencies. It is the military industrial
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complex, which includes the military and the intelligence
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agencies. That includes Wall Street.
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It includes Silicon Valley. So those are all of the
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components of the military industrial complex.
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And then it also includes all of the Ng OS.
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It includes the academic institutions, the journals, the
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banking, the international banking system.
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It's a giant, giant cartel. So the important thing that I
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realised during COVID is that there's a global system of
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control that's happening in the world.
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It sounds so weird and so conspiratorial.
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It's hard to wrap one's mind around it.
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And I totally get it. And I have been working hard and
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I'm still working to find the best ways to explain that
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because people want to say it's Fauci, people want to say it,
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it's Bill Gates, people want to say it's Pfizer, people want to
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say. And all of those people and
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entities are components of the giant global cartel.
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But if you go, they are in it, they're in it, they're in the
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cartel. And they're all striving for
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that cartel to have more power and more influence.
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And they want in order to do that, they need to censor US,
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propagandise us, surveil us and control us.
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That's what they need to do. And So what COVID revealed was
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the systems that they were using to do that.
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So the digital systems, the propaganda and censorship
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industrial complex, which is a global, as you said, world
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encompassing. How did everybody come up with
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the same words at the same time? How did everybody come up with
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the same narrative at the same time?
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Obviously there was coordination.
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That's not a conspiracy. I mean, that's, that's a fact.
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So the important thing to realise now is that this system
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is rolling forward. It's rolling forward to get more
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control. So no matter what happens on a
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local political level, you might change a few things on the
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surface level that you think are important, and that's fine.
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But you are not addressing the rolling constant and, you know,
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inexorable. We haven't stopped it.
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It hasn't slowed down. In fact, it uses each
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administration. I'm just going to talk about the
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United States because that's where I am.
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But it uses each voting cycle and each administration to
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convince half the population that now you don't have to worry
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about the cartel. Now the cartel isn't really
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doing anything. Now we're going to save you and
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we're going to make everything fine.
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And the cartel is just moving on and doing its thing.
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So what I try to do is point out that no matter who's in charge,
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even if you feel more politically affiliated with one
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side or the other, they're actually using that in order to
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distract you from what's happening on a global level.
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So it's a uni party? It's a uni party, yeah.
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Unpack your research a little bit if you don't mind.
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OK, so as we said before, we we got on the show, it's all in my
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book, which is called the Deep State goes viral.
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And I am going around talking to people like you who have been on
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the same page as me for as longer than anybody to talk
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about where you could I put all my research in this book in
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order to show can I? Just stop you there.
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Your title for your book is really good.
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It's such a clever play on words.
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Thank you. Thank you.
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I came up with it after a lot of experiment, you know, a lot of
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thinking and my new title for my hopefully if this works, if I
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can get the word out. And people really so far there's
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been really positive response, people, even people who didn't
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know during COVID. I have to tell you which I'm
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very encouraged by this. My first two chapters talk about
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what I just told you about the fact that every it's all global.
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It's a uniparty. It's I don't say uniparty, but
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it's a global public private partnership.
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That's who ran COVID. And I explain all of that.
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And even people who politically were not aligned with those of
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us who were against COVID because they made it really
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political. So even lefties, even people who
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were Covidien's, even people who were in the COVID cult can read
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it and say, oh, that makes sense because they remember what one
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person said to me, remember, I remember Iraq, Remember in Iraq
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when they lied to us, they lied to everybody and we all bought
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it. And then we realised that they
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were lying to us. And I said, yeah, that's exactly
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what it is. They all lied to us and now we
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realise what it is. It's a good analogy.
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So the research that I did in order to reach that conclusion
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is the other chapters of the book.
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And So what I the research that I did in order to reach the
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conclusions that I did started with Deborah Birx.
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As you know, I was just researching.
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I just read the book that she wrote called Silent Invasion,
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and it was supposed to be an expose of what was happening in
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the Trump administration during the first months of COVID.
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And of course, a lot of blame was being put on Trump.
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And with ACDC, they weren't acting enough.
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They weren't acting fast enough, They weren't doing enough.
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But I realised very soon into the book that she was just, it
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was just a bunch of lies and propaganda.
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And I hadn't read any non fiction really, because I'm a,
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an English major and I read fiction.
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And then I realised that this was fiction.
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So when I realised that this was fiction, I, I, I fell on the
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floor. I, I, my jaw, I, I didn't know
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that this was happening in the world, that like people were
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writing books that were supposed to be factual and they were
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supposed to be presenting somebody's view of something.
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And actually, you could tell that they were lying.
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So I wrote a bunch of articles about how she was lying about
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how she got the job, about the that it was public health,
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because nothing that they did was public health, that it was
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Fauci who was in charge because it wasn't.
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It was her who was in charge and she was she was brought in by
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the National Security Council. The National Security Council is
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the body that advises the president on wars and terrorism,
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at least it used to be. They changed the definition in
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2022 to include all kinds of natural climate and pandemics
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and whatever. So, so the COVID actually made
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them change the definition. But in 2020, it was supposed to
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be the body that advised the president on war and terrorism.
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So what does war and terrorism have to do with a naturally
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occurring pandemic? 1 asks oneself.
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And that's what I asked myself. And so then I went and I found
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the documents that showed that the National Security Council
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was actually in charge of the COVID policy in the United
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States and that that the Health and Human Services, which is the
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public health agency, was not in charge.
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FEMA and the Department of Homeland Security were in
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charge. So all of the, the entire
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response was controlled by the national security agencies.
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None of it and, and communications were controlled
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by the National Security Council.
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And then I found out that that happened in every other country
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as well. Yes.
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So just stop right there. Stop right there.
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So let's just let's just illustrate this.
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So a virus supposedly spreads from China, which which
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obviously on the on the face of it is also ridiculous because
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it's always China, isn't it? But OK, so virus supposedly
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spreads from China around the world.
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This is a biological event. So why is the military taking
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control of the White House? Right.
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Why? Why is the military and the
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intelligence agencies, the National Security Council and
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the Department of Homeland Security, why are they taking
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charge? Why did that happen in England?
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Why did that happen in Canada? Why did that happen in Holland?
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Why did that happen in South Africa?
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Why did that happen in Italy, in France and Germany and
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everywhere that's a NATO country.
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Why was NATO involved? Why was NATO?
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Involved in a biological event. In a biological event, and I
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have to add, because I haven't been emphasising this enough,
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not just in a biological event, in a biological event, that by
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the end of 2020, if you didn't know at the beginning of 2020
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that this virus was only dangerous, if at all, let's
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assume it was dangerous to someone, it would be dangerous
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to old people with comorbidities, meaning lots of
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other conditions that they were probably going to die from
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anyway. So.
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Basically nothing to worry about.
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So basically we knew that at the beginning.
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If you didn't know that at the beginning, you definitely knew
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that by the end of 2020. No scientist, nobody by the end
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of 2020 could say that this virus was dangerous to children,
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that this virus was dangerous to.
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So NATO and the military in many countries got, they were
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involved from the beginning, but their huge, huge involvement
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came at the end of 2020 and the beginning of 2021 with the
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rollout of the countermeasures, because the vaccines were
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countermeasures, they were military countermeasures.
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And so that is even more obviously suspicious and
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obviously has nothing to do with public health, because by that
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point, if it had been a normal naturally occurring and and
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public health managed pandemic, by the end of 2020, it would be
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over. Nobody would be talking about
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it. There would be no vaccines.
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And that happened before. It happened previously when
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there were other outbreaks, they started making vaccines and they
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started doing all those things, but it wasn't dangerous to most
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people. They can, it was contained, it
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was treated and the vaccines had to be thrown away.
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And so it's really, really suspicious.
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Like, even if you thought at the beginning of 2020 that was
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dangerous, we need NATO's organising capacity or we need
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the military's, you know, a logistics capacity to help us.
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By the end of 2020, we knew that to be false because the
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hospitals were empty. Nobody was getting it, you know,
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So it's very, very clear that they were acting for some other
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reason other than public health. So just just to appease the
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growing number of people who do not believe there's a pandemic.
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And I find myself sympathising with that position.
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Either way, it doesn't matter because there was nothing to
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worry about, is the point, right?
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Right. So I always, yeah, I'm going to
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address that. Thanks, Jeremy.
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I mean, that's really important. So the whole point of my book
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and my research and everything that the message that I'm trying
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to get across is it doesn't matter what the virus was, it
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could have been real, it could have been fake.
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It could have been from a lab, it could have been from a
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raccoon dog. It could have.
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It was a. Military operation, whatever it
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was, the virus didn't kill the world.
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The response killed the world. So the lockdown until vaccine
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response, which is a military response, it is not a public
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health response, killed the world.
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It killed millions of people who were injured and killed from the
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vaccines. It also killed people in
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hospitals. It killed people who were
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isolated. It deprived, you know what it
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did. It deprived children of their,
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you know, ability to develop normally and of socialising and,
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and it increased every kind of disease and depression that you
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could possibly imagine. But that means what?
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That means if we say the virus didn't kill the world, it
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doesn't matter whether there was or wasn't a virus because the
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response would have been the same.
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OK, There would have been the same.
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So we have to look for the origins of the response.
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We can't look for the origins of the we can we can argue all day
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long, do viruses exist? Do they not exist?
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We can argue about did it come from a lab or did it not?
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Was it Fauci's lab? Was it Barrack's lab?
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Was the lab in China with? Doesn't matter.
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Yeah, it doesn't matter. And, and I think that's also
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very important because, because the important part here is that
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there was this, there was a collusion of military and
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intelligence and, and, and, and a multitude of other groups as
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you've pointed out. But I just quickly want to
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horseshoe to Deborah Birx because a lot of people who I
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speak to just don't know who she is.
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Who? Who is she?
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So I'm going to say it's OK to not know who she is because
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she's just a little, a little tiny cog in the machine, but
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she's the cog that I, that was my end to understanding.
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So she was the coordinator the for the United States government
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of the COVID response. She was the United States
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COVID-19 response coordinator. That means that she was in
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charge of pretty much everything that had to do with responding
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to this outbreak pandemic. She had more power than Trump,
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so she wasn't so the task force, which she was the coordinator
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for. If you look at the
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organisational chart in the documents that I uncovered,
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which are the pandemic action plan adapted, Pandemic crisis
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action plan adapted, you can see in the chart that the task force
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sits above all the other agencies and the tab.
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And the policy arm of the task force is the National Security
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Council. So the National Security Council
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is determining the policy. Now we have the national
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security advisor to President Trump on record saying that he
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brought Deborah Birx over. We also know that she came from
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USAIDUSAID, as the Trump administration has revealed.
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Is CIA cut out now? I knew that because I did my
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research and it is not, it's, it's not a secret that they're
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ACIA cut out, like anybody who's done research in this area knows
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that they are. But now that it's been exposed,
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we can all understand that Deborah Brooks came from ACIA
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organisation, that she was working on AIDS in Africa.
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Now there is about 20% of USAID and every diplomatic and public
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health organisation does some good work, even The Who.
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Unfortunately, when we say let's get rid of The Who and let's get
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rid of the USAID, which I completely understand and I'm in
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favour of in theory, we also have to look at the good work
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that they do and try to find another way to do that good work
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without involving, you know, spies and military.
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Because what happens is public health is a really good way to
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get your claws into a country. So you go in Africa and you go
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in villages and you, you know, you kind of infiltrate the power
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structure there. And so Bill Gates can go in
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there and say, if you don't do what I say and you don't give
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the vaccines that I am telling you, you need to give, I'm not
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going to give millions of dollars to your village and to
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your City Council and to your politicians.
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So it's very insidious. Public health is a very good way
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to get in. And so Deborah Brooks was part
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of that system. And she was the one who went out
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and told everybody, you know, constantly about the case
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numbers. Their cases are going up.
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The cases are going up. Now, cases is not a metric for
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anything in public health. The metric for in public health
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is deaths and serious illness. If there's no deaths and serious
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illness, then there's no outbreak.
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There's no disease, and cases were measured by PCR.
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And PCR test, you know, has a lot of false positives.
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We don't even have to go into that.
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The PCR is largely not supposed to even be used for anything
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like this. So she was out there and her
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main message was cases are going up, cases are going up.
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And they really, really had to ramp that up at the end of 2020
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because by the end of 2020, everybody knew that nobody was
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dying and nobody was getting sick.
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So Deborah Birx had to go out there and all the other people
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in the cartel had to go out there and say cases, cases,
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cases, cases. As I always say, if every single
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person in the world, 8 billion people, positive cases and not a
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single person got sick or died, then you don't have any reason
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to be afraid. So the number of cases was a
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meaningless metric. And they kept running it on the
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bottom of their news. I, you know, reports and they
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kept reporting on the number of cases.
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I mean, it made me really crazy when they we talked about cases
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because that was such a ridiculous non metric.
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And then I would talk to public health officials and doctors who
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knew that. They knew that I would say, wait
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a minute, but everybody could have a positive test result and
24:33
it could have that has no impact or meaning on anything.
24:37
But they were already brainwashed so.
24:41
And if I'm correct, you told me that Deborah Birx was brought in
24:46
by Matt Pottinger. Who?
24:48
Who was all? Was it not?
24:52
She I did, I told you that she said in her book that she was
24:55
brought in by Matt Ponger. That was the lie.
24:57
So the lie in her book. OK, so this is how I knew she
25:01
was lying because she started saying weird things about Matt
25:04
Pontinger. Matt Pontinger is the CIA guy in
25:06
China and he was the the assistant, I forget that's
25:14
deputy national security advisor for Asia at the time.
25:18
And so he was advising against China.
25:21
It's China, China, China. Blame China.
25:23
That's one of the ways they distract from the cartel.
25:26
So China's part of the cartel, but they're not the ones who are
25:28
responsible for everything. And they so he was and he was
25:34
saying we have to stop travel, ban travel from China and all
25:37
kinds of ridiculous things. Even in all the tabletop
25:40
exercises that they used to do about pandemics, it was always
25:43
understood that that blocking travel is a completely useless
25:47
measure because because the germ is already spread in their
25:51
theory, right? In the theory of how the
25:52
pandemic works, the germ has already spread out in the
25:55
population. So it's blocking transportation
25:57
has no impact, and it can only hurt because it can only hurt
26:01
the economy. And when you hurt the economy,
26:03
actually, you're actually hurting public health.
26:06
So Deborah Birx was not brought in by Matt Pottinger.
26:09
Her lie in her book was that she was friends with Matt
26:13
Pottinger's wife. Matt Pontinger's wife, who she
26:16
had worked with like in 2014 or something, somehow managed on
26:21
her cell phone. So it's all on cell phones and
26:22
things that you can't FOIA. No public records exist of the
26:26
conversations that she was having with Matt and with Yen
26:29
behind the scenes in January 2020, when nothing was
26:34
happening, literally nothing was happening.
26:36
There was no, you know, as we said, we knew already that the
26:39
virus was not very dangerous to anybody.
26:42
She was having these secret conversations because she was
26:45
advising Matt about how this could become this huge pandemic.
26:48
And then Matt said, you have to come and help me.
26:51
You have to come and be. First.
26:52
He offered her a job in January to be like the advisor on
26:56
pandemics or something. And then he offered her another
26:58
job and then finally in February, the end of February,
27:01
where she became the coordinator.
27:03
But then we we have on, you know, in an interview, we have
27:08
the actual national security advisor saying we brought in
27:10
Deborah Burke. So it was not Matt Pottinger.
27:12
That's the lie that gave me the clue that she was lying about
27:17
where she came from. But if she if she had more power
27:21
than Trump, and that's also a very interesting dynamic, which
27:24
I'll come to, who was she working for?
27:27
Yeah, so, yeah. So she was working for the
27:29
National Security Council and she and the National Security
27:34
Council is the all of the intelligence community.
27:36
So in the United States there's like 17 intelligence agencies.
27:40
There's ACIN, the FBI that everybody knows about, but then
27:43
there's the Naval Intelligence Agency and the Air Force
27:46
Intelligence Agency and all these other intelligence
27:48
agencies. There's seventeen of them.
27:49
So she was representing that community which somehow, for
27:55
some reason was in charge of this supposedly public health
27:59
event. But now let's go to Trump, just
28:02
for a moment. I would presume from everything
28:06
that I have seen, he doesn't like to be controlled.
28:10
So what was going on there? Yeah, so in every country, not
28:17
just in the United States, the Global Bio defence public
28:22
private partnership took over. So what that means is they, I
28:28
think, OK, so this is now conjecture.
28:30
So I know that he didn't have the power because he was
28:33
tweeting in May of 2020. Open up the country.
28:36
He literally tweeted a tweet. Open up the country.
28:39
Who is he talking to? He's the president.
28:42
Why is he tweeting? Open up the country.
28:44
Just go and open it up if you want to open it up.
28:46
So clearly he didn't have the power.
28:49
And Scott Atlas in his book also explained that everybody was
28:53
all, all the difference was giving to Deborah Burks.
28:56
And and Trump told him at the end, you know, when he had to
29:00
leave, that basically, you know, it wasn't Fauci who was the
29:03
problem, it was Deborah Burks. That's why I think he went after
29:06
USAID. And right now he's going after
29:08
the National Security Council. So there's certain agencies and
29:11
people and groups that that what that usurped his power during
29:15
the pandemic. And he's trying to get back at
29:16
them. He can't because they're still
29:18
in charge, but he's trying. And so he.
29:23
Yeah, go ahead. Sorry.
29:24
No, no, go on. So in every country in the
29:29
United States, at the beginning, everybody was saying
29:33
everything's fine. It's just that, you know, not,
29:35
don't worry about it. The Chinese are overreacting.
29:38
And there's a date which is February 27th, which is the date
29:42
that Deborah Burke actually took over, which as I think when they
29:44
switched the narrative to, Oh my God, this is so scary.
29:46
We have to lock everything down. But that was all coming from a
29:50
global place. It was coming from this global
29:54
public private partnership and it was being channelled through
29:59
the UN and The Who. So all of these global
30:01
governance bodies, which are like just coordinating
30:03
mechanisms for global control. That's not, it didn't originate.
30:08
It's not like the The Who sat, the chief of The Who sat down
30:12
and said, I'm going to do this terrible thing to the world.
30:14
He was just a conduit for the cartel to say, OK, this is what
30:18
we're going to do. And so it all came from there.
30:22
And, and many countries have in their foyers and in their
30:25
investigations have have revealed that on the local
30:29
level, people were not allowed to respond to what was happening
30:33
on the local level. Whether there was or wasn't an
30:35
outbreak, they had to get, they were getting their orders not
30:39
even from their national government, because their
30:41
national government was getting orders from somewhere else.
30:44
And the same was true for Trump. They were all getting their
30:46
orders from, you know, The Who or the UN or NATO or whoever was
30:52
sort of sending out the, you know, message.
30:56
This is what you need to do right now.
30:58
OK, but then Deborah, what did, what do you think Trump knew?
31:04
Was he a blockade who was just ignorant or or did he know more
31:10
than what it appears that he knew?
31:15
I well, he knew more than he appears because he's not allowed
31:18
to say. So in an interview at some point
31:20
when he said he was talking about the lab leak and that it
31:25
came from that it was a lab leak.
31:27
And at some point somebody said, how do you know that?
31:31
And he said I can't tell you. I can't tell you.
31:34
He said like to Time magazine or something.
31:35
So like he do things or he heard things that he wasn't allowed to
31:38
talk about. And what I think happened is
31:41
him, Boris Johnson, other leaders who were very resistant
31:45
to shutting down the economy because they knew that shutting
31:49
down the economy would destroy their country.
31:51
It certainly would destroy them politically and they were
31:54
resisting that. I think what happened was that
31:56
they were, and now I'm going to say everything I've set up to
31:58
now I have, I can back it up with documentation.
32:02
I can't back this up with documentation.
32:04
This is my conjecture is that they were told that this was a
32:07
dangerous bio weapon and if they didn't lock everything down and
32:12
they didn't go along with the protocol of lockdown until
32:15
vaccine, then a lot of people would die and they would be
32:18
blamed for it. But they would also be they
32:21
would also be able to claim victory in the end because these
32:26
mRNA vaccines are so great. They're the greatest thing in
32:29
the history of mankind. And they would be able to claim
32:32
that as their solution. And so they would actually get a
32:37
lot of credit at the end because we know in England, for sure, at
32:42
the very beginning of the pandemic, like in March, Dominic
32:46
Cummings, in one of his testimony, said Bill Gates and
32:49
people like that were coming and saying, oh, don't worry about
32:53
it. We're going to have a vaccine.
32:54
And this mRNA is great. So they were already talking
32:59
about Bill Gates and mRNA in March 2020, which is very odd
33:02
because, you know, by the end of 2020 there was no need to worry
33:07
about the virus and there was no need for any vaccine.
33:10
But they were already planning it in March 2020.
33:13
OK, but then was Trump, was he outplayed?
33:16
Was he duped into thinking that warp speed was going to be a
33:20
great Make America Great Again strategy?
33:25
And he still thinks it. Yes, he still thinks it.
33:28
Or he says he does. He can't say anything else.
33:31
If he says something else, then he's probably not going to be
33:34
protected by the PREP Act, which is the liability shield that
33:37
everybody has for anything to do with COVID countermeasures.
33:41
And, you know, you can't admit that everybody lied about it and
33:49
so and still have some kind of liability shield.
33:51
So I think he can't admit it. But also knowing Trump, you
33:55
know, he definitely wants to take credit for something.
33:57
And so he always says that it was the greatest, most beautiful
34:01
thing in the world, which I think is the beautiful vaccine.
34:04
Yeah. But what I don't understand is
34:07
that was in 2020. We're 9/20/25 and he is
34:11
surrounded with different people like RFK.
34:14
Surely. Surely Trump must know something
34:17
more than what he did in 2020. He do it then and he knows it
34:22
now, but he's not in charge. RFK is not in charge.
34:26
Like you said, it's a UNI party. So the UNI party, the structure
34:31
that controls the UNI party is the structure that is the global
34:35
public private partnership. And it very hard to
34:38
conceptualise. Again, it's like it's not two
34:40
people or five people sitting around the table.
34:42
It's a huge beast. It's all the corporations that
34:46
pay the politicians. OK, so every politician in every
34:50
country is 100% owned by corporations.
34:55
So that's called the public private partnership.
34:57
So the the politician is acting on behalf of the corporations,
35:02
the politician is not acting on behalf of the voters.
35:06
So voting, you know, you can think about whether how
35:09
effective that is in achieving any kind of meaningful change
35:13
when you have it's corruption. So what people have to
35:16
understand is that we're at a point in the world, and this
35:18
happens with every system, where it's power accrues slowly to the
35:24
people who have it. So a little bit, when you have a
35:27
little bit of power, it helps you get more power.
35:29
And when you have more power, it helps you get more power.
35:31
It's just the natural flow of how it's like flow of energy,
35:34
flow of power. And so power flows to those who
35:37
haven't. And even if you have little
35:39
pockets of power, and then those pockets get a little more and a
35:41
little more, you get to a point where they have so much that you
35:44
can't balance it out anymore. And that's where we are.
35:47
So the power has all got got sucked up to the top and not to
35:51
the top of the national structure, to the top of the
35:55
global structure. So the oligarchs, the tech Bros,
35:58
the tech companies, the global corporations, the global
36:02
governance bodies like the WEF, which coordinate all of these
36:06
things, the global consulting companies and the global banking
36:10
system, they have all the power. There's nothing you can't argue
36:14
with that. They have all the power.
36:16
So it's funny to talk about Trump or Burks or RFK, you know,
36:23
some of those people I like, some of those people I don't
36:26
like they're, they're pawns and they go into the system thinking
36:29
that they're going to maybe be able to change it.
36:32
But I believe that when you get sucked into the system, it's
36:35
over as far as being able to change it.
36:38
I. Think what I'm trying to Sorry,
36:41
go on. No.
36:42
So I think that Trump might have wanted to resist and he might
36:46
have had other ideas about what he wanted to do.
36:50
But, and I'm sure he didn't want to shut down the economy.
36:53
I'm sure he didn't think that was a good idea.
36:55
And I'm sure. And just for his own survival,
36:58
he knew that it was going to tank his presidency and he knew
37:01
that they were making him do things that would tank his
37:03
presidency. And he didn't want that.
37:05
And. And And so.
37:07
Yeah. And then Biden came in and and
37:10
it's, it's, I mean, I'm not even an American.
37:13
I'm, I'm just an onlooker. But there's no possible way in
37:16
any, in any universe that Biden was pulling the strings.
37:20
There's no ways. Of course not.
37:22
He's well here. I always he.
37:24
Can't even he can't even speak in full sentences.
37:26
So we all knew that he was a zombie, right?
37:29
He was a zombie for four years. It got increasingly worse, but
37:32
people, people knew in 2018 that he was already mentally unfit.
37:37
So I always tell people who talk about Trump now, Trump 2.0 For
37:42
four years we had a zombie president which showed us, it
37:45
revealed very, very clearly. It like it almost in our faces
37:49
that it doesn't matter who the president is, he's not in
37:52
charge, right? We knew he wasn't in charge and
37:55
we knew the whole media, the whole political class, including
37:59
Republicans, all of them were all hiding it and covering it
38:04
up. OK.
38:06
So we knew the presidency is an empty office that is controlled.
38:10
Now we have somebody else in that office and for some reason
38:12
we think that office is not controlled anymore.
38:15
He was controlled back in 2020 and Biden was controlled.
38:20
He wasn't even a person, you know, a competent person as far
38:23
as I'm concerned. And now we have him, the same
38:26
office, the same structures, the same legal structures, the same
38:30
power structures, the same global structures, all in place.
38:34
And now we think somehow that the president isn't isn't a
38:37
puppet. He all of a sudden has a lot of
38:39
power. Yeah.
38:40
So what you're saying basically is if if we can all agree that
38:44
Biden was not pulling the strings, on what grounds do you
38:49
think therefore that Trump is pulling the strings?
38:52
Thank you. That's exactly right.
38:54
Yeah, I don't, I don't see how anybody can, can make that
38:58
shift. But I under, I mean, people
39:00
really, really want to believe that you can change from within
39:03
the system. That's what we're fighting
39:05
against is that people want to believe that you can change the
39:08
system from within. And I was just thinking today
39:12
about the term black pill because I'm called black pill,
39:15
but because I'm saying that you can't change it within the
39:17
system. So people think that I'm a
39:19
nihilist or that I don't have any solutions.
39:22
And the point is, there's only two pills.
39:25
There's the red pill and the blue pill.
39:26
This is from the Matrix, right? Either you're either you are a
39:31
body that's lying in a protein bath and your energy is being
39:37
sucked into the system and you're being told in your mind
39:41
that you're living a life, but actually the system is just
39:44
using your energy for its own sustain, for its own sustenance,
39:48
or you're outside of the system. Those are the only two options.
39:53
There's no other option. So when you say black pill is
39:55
just the new red pill, it's just saying we're still out of the
39:58
system. We were out of the system during
40:00
COVID and we're still out of the system now.
40:02
And it's not saying that there aren't good people in the
40:04
system. And it's not saying that there
40:06
aren't people who have good motives in the system.
40:08
It's not saying that it's it's saying that in order to change,
40:11
first everybody has to get out of the protein bath.
40:15
Everybody has to get out, Unplug.
40:18
Then the system will be starved. The only way is to starve the
40:22
system. You can't do it inside, you
40:25
can't do it from inside. Catherine Austin Fitz made a
40:28
great comment which he said that Kennedy might have good
40:33
intentions, but once you get into the machine, you become
40:37
part of the machine, right? Yeah, Catherine, I agree with
40:41
Catherine on most things. Yeah.
40:46
But, but, but now I want to point out something because this
40:49
invariably happens. But Debbie, you're letting Fauci
40:52
off the hook. Fauci, wow, I care.
40:57
I so I care so little about Fauci.
40:59
But you know, if you, you can try him, you can hang him and
41:03
still nothing will change. So it's fine.
41:08
I'm I'm OK if you want to do that.
41:10
I think he's a bad man. I think Gates is a bad man.
41:12
I think a lot of people are bad people.
41:14
Some people in the system are bad and some people in the
41:16
system are good. You can go after the bad ones,
41:20
but you still haven't changed the system.
41:22
So so if you want to. Spend your sorry, sorry, sorry,
41:26
I'm interrupting, but I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm on your train of
41:28
thought. What what you're saying is you
41:31
can go off to all these people, but all you're doing is you're
41:33
just treating the symptoms. You have to go to the root
41:35
cause. Yes, I'll tell you another
41:38
analogy that I like. So there's the matrix analogy,
41:40
There's the analogy of the cancer patient that I use a lot.
41:44
Now this is also about celebrating small victories,
41:48
which I don't believe in because I think it distracts us from the
41:51
actual problem. So Jane is a middle aged woman
41:55
who came down with stage 4 metastatic cancer.
42:00
It's all over. It's all over her bones and it's
42:03
in some of her organs. And she had breast cancer when
42:06
she was younger. So when she got this metastatic
42:09
cancer, her doctor said, oh, it must be breast cancer that
42:13
spread. So we're going to treat it as
42:15
breast cancer and start giving her breast cancer treatments.
42:18
And then somebody else, some other doctors checked her and
42:20
said, wait a minute, it might, it looks actually like it might
42:23
be in the it's in the kidneys. It might have started in the
42:25
kidneys. This isn't a true story.
42:26
It's just a fable, OK? It's just an analogy to explain
42:30
something. So because it's not medically,
42:33
you know, accurate, but so she has.
42:35
So the breast cancer doctor says it started in the breast, so we
42:37
need to treat it as breast cancer.
42:39
The kidney, kidney cancer doctor says, oh, it looks like it might
42:42
start in the kidneys. Let's treat it with kidney
42:44
stuff. It's starting to get in her
42:47
brain. It's in her bones.
42:49
They do things to the breasts and to the kidneys.
42:51
And every time they do that, they ask her, does that feel a
42:54
little bit better? Like they reduce the mass in the
42:56
breasts, they reduce the pain in the breasts.
42:59
They reduce the pain in the kidneys or the urinary problems
43:02
that she's having because of her kidney cancer.
43:05
She says yes, it's it's relieving that in the meantime
43:08
she's getting foggy in the brain, she's getting migraines.
43:12
She can't, she can't sleep, she can barely function.
43:15
And they're treating her breasts and her kidneys and the family,
43:20
some of them are on the side of the breast doctor.
43:22
Some of them are on the side of the kidney doctor.
43:23
So they're all arguing about whether they should be treating
43:25
the breasts or the kidneys. And they celebrate every time
43:29
they give her a treatment that lowers the mass or they take out
43:33
a mass from the kidney or they take out a mass because it's
43:35
growing everywhere. That's the analogy.
43:38
She's dying. They're they're treating parts
43:42
of her body and it's helping that part for a short time and
43:47
they are complete. And then there's the doctors who
43:49
come and say, wait a minute, I have this natural naturopathic
43:52
treatment that might actually address the whole system, which
43:54
is what you need to do when you have metastatic cancer.
43:56
They say, no, no, no, you don't know what you're talking about.
43:59
You're a kook. You're a, you're not in the
44:03
system, you don't understand we really need to treat this as
44:06
breast cancer or as kidney cancer and we need to do that's
44:09
that's what we need to do. You don't know what you're
44:11
talking about. So anybody who comes with a
44:12
systemic idea and says, actually, it's all over her
44:16
body, why don't we try to treat it all over her body gets pushed
44:19
aside. And so that's exactly what's
44:22
happening now. And that's what what it means to
44:25
call somebody black pilled is to say you're not treating the
44:28
kidney or you're not treating the breast.
44:30
Those are the only two that we can treat because those are the
44:33
real doctors. And we can't treat the whole
44:35
system because it's too hard. Treating metastatic cancer is
44:38
like almost impossible. You know, people who almost
44:40
always die. It's really, really, really
44:43
hard. It's much harder when treating
44:46
the breast or treating the kidneys.
44:48
And it doesn't yield results right away.
44:51
And the patient is getting worse and the patient is getting worse
44:53
and you really want to do something.
44:55
You want to do something positive.
44:56
Let's have some small victories. Let's take a mass out of her
45:00
knee and her knee will feel better, you know, Let's take a
45:02
mass out of her neck, you know, and that'll make her feel, yes,
45:06
it'll make her feel better for a little while, but it's still
45:08
growing everywhere else. So that's the small victory
45:11
story that people are telling themselves when they go into the
45:14
system. Going into the system means that
45:16
you buy into the story that you can treat the breasts or you can
45:20
treat the kidneys and you don't have to treat the whole patient.
45:22
So what you're saying is we need to be more radical now with a
45:27
lot of the stuff. So if, if, for example, the
45:28
vaccine schedule, the 74 vaccines for kids and it drops
45:32
down to 73, I mean, I mean, it's still 73 vaccines, you know, So
45:37
that small victory of 1 vaccine makes very little difference.
45:40
We've got to go after the entire schedule, basically.
45:43
That's right. And what I'm not even saying
45:44
let's go after the schedule, Jeremy.
45:46
I'm actually saying they're always going to do that.
45:49
They're going to do partial things and they're going to say
45:51
we need to study it and we need evidence.
45:53
And you know all that. We don't need any more evidence.
45:57
We need to be outside saying to parents like you and like my
46:03
kids, let's say when they have kids, here's the danger.
46:08
The system is a danger to you, the system is a danger to you.
46:13
That's what I feel my job is. Stay outside of it.
46:17
That's it. That's all.
46:18
And then we can have a solution because if everybody doesn't
46:21
take any vaccines, not let's lower it from 73 to 4 to 73,
46:25
everybody says no, we're not taking them anymore.
46:28
Everybody, that's my job. Everybody should be saying, and
46:31
that's what everybody who went into the system like RFK and all
46:35
those people should be doing now.
46:37
They should be outside the system saying we learned from
46:40
COVID that the system is working against us.
46:42
It doesn't have our best interests in mind.
46:44
No matter what we do, it's going to try to have small victories.
46:47
But the cancer is still there. It's in the body.
46:50
They're not addressing the cancer.
46:51
We need to be outside the body and we need to be saying, first
46:54
of all, don't comply. Second of all, let's all think
46:58
of something together, other systems that we can build, but
47:02
first everybody has to get out of the Matrix.
47:04
If everybody's still giving their energy and their body to
47:07
the Matrix, they're sitting in their protein bath, we're not
47:12
going to get anywhere. So Debbie, coming now to Trump
47:16
2.0, one of his big things now is the lab leak, is that is that
47:22
a distraction? Absolutely.
47:26
As we said, well, as we said before, it doesn't really matter
47:32
where the virus came from or whether it exists or who made it
47:36
or if it came from a pangolin because that's not what caused
47:39
the pandemic. What caused the pandemic?
47:42
Oh, why is he pushing it? Oh, I see, I see, I see.
47:44
Well, I, I don't know. I don't like to guess about
47:47
motives, but my, you know, the results are the results of him
47:53
pushing it are that he is now getting all the people who were
47:57
suspicious and said, oh, Trump was part of the, you know, Trump
48:01
did bad things during COVID. Oh, now he's admitting it.
48:03
Now he's the good guy. Now we don't have to be
48:06
suspicious of him anymore. Now we can, you know, now we
48:09
know that he's on our side. OK, So now he's the Doctor Who's
48:13
coming in and saying I'm going to treat the breasts.
48:17
And yay, look, I just took out a big mass from the breasts and
48:22
everybody's like, yay, he's treating the patient.
48:25
Finally he's treating the breast because the other, the other
48:28
doctors were only treating the kidneys.
48:29
They didn't really know what they were doing.
48:31
He's treating the breasts, yay. Now we know that he's on our
48:35
side and that we don't have to worry about him.
48:39
And his administration is going to admit they're, they're
48:42
transparent, right? So they like to say that they're
48:45
transparent. I can tell you they're
48:46
absolutely not transparent about any more than any other
48:49
administration. So he can say he's transparent.
48:53
He can say that he's not censoring, even though his
48:58
administration was the one that was censoring in in February,
49:01
January and February 2020 about the lab leaks.
49:04
So he didn't come out and say, I'm sorry that my administration
49:07
was censoring, right. He's coming out and saying the
49:10
Biden administration was censoring and I'm not censoring
49:14
anymore. That's a lie his administration
49:16
was censoring. So that's a nut.
49:17
He covers up his his complicity of his administration in the
49:22
censorship industrial complex, same as the Democrats, not
49:25
different. He covers up his he compensates
49:29
for people saying, well, you know, he locked down and he did
49:33
bad things. But now he's telling the truth
49:36
and he distracts everyone from the lockdown until vaccine
49:39
problem, which is the big problem.
49:41
And he talks about the virus, which is not the problem at all.
49:44
So the virus is not even a problem.
49:46
So he's distracting, he's covering up his complicity, and
49:50
he's bringing in people into the Matrix who were outside of it.
49:55
But does does the whole lab leak narrative also act as a
50:00
protection shield of the deep state?
50:04
Absolutely. Yeah.
50:06
So that he is, he is acting on behalf of the deep state because
50:09
he can't help it. Again, I'm not, I don't blame
50:11
people, I don't blame Trump. I don't blame anybody.
50:14
I don't care about anybody. Like that's why I said to you
50:16
like, I don't really care about Burks personally or Trump or
50:20
Fauci. I care about what their role is,
50:22
what is their role in the system.
50:24
And his role is to cover up for the deep state.
50:26
That's what every president's role is.
50:28
That's what every public officials role is, is to cover
50:32
up for the deep state. And again, the deep state is a
50:35
conglomeration on a global level of military industrial complex,
50:39
big corporations, you know, corrupt government officials,
50:42
they're all corrupted at this point.
50:44
So it's huge. It's very, very huge.
50:46
And the banking system, which we can't forget, Catherine Austin
50:49
Fitz is probably, I don't know if you've talked to her about
50:51
this particular issue, but the financial control is really
50:56
something that we have to worry about.
50:59
But something that is so obvious to me also that just seems to
51:04
miss with everybody seems to miss this, but China, how?
51:10
How do people always fall into the trap of seeing China as the
51:14
enemy? And Trump does this really well.
51:17
Yeah, Yeah, that's a that's a good point.
51:19
So actually, thank you. That actually sets me up for my
51:22
my 3 distractions that I always say are being used by the cartel
51:28
in order to distract us from them.
51:30
Blame Fauci, blame China and blame the virus.
51:35
So we already talked about two. We talked about blame Fauch, we
51:37
talked about blame the virus. Now we can talk about blame
51:40
China. It's the same.
51:41
It's exactly. The same, I mean, it's not like
51:43
it's not like blame Vietnam or blame New Zealand.
51:46
It's China. And and it's because China is
51:49
this massive economy that is about to become the the most
51:52
powerful economy in the world. So there's clearly something
51:55
else going on behind the scenes. Yeah.
51:58
I mean, well, we obviously let them become we are elites.
52:02
So again, it's not, it's hard to talk about nation states
52:06
anymore. I feel like talking about nation
52:07
states is also a little bit misleading because right, I
52:12
mean, there's the overlap on the global level of the people who
52:16
are controlling the nation states is so large.
52:18
So the overlap between our our elites and the Chinese elites.
52:21
So our corporations and our sort of cartel, our, our ruling
52:28
cartel is the same as the Chinese ruling cartel.
52:30
So our leaders at some point decided that it would be much
52:33
better to offshore everything. So we don't.
52:37
So our leaders are, you know, oligarchs don't care about the
52:42
people, just like the Russian oligarchs don't care about their
52:44
people and the Chinese oligarchs don't care about their people.
52:47
They don't care about the people.
52:48
They care about their power and their influence, which makes
52:50
sense. Anybody who has power and money
52:53
wants more power and more money. They don't care about the people
52:56
who don't have power and money. So the people who had power and
52:59
money in the United States and the West decided that it would
53:02
be better for them and they would have more power and money
53:04
if their workers who'd cost them too much money, weren't in
53:09
charge anymore. So they could send the jobs to
53:11
the places where they didn't have to pay that much, and then
53:16
they could cut. They could bring the stuff back,
53:17
and everybody would have to buy it.
53:20
And they did that. They gave China that power.
53:22
China was like, hey, yeah, thanks.
53:23
We're going to take a billion people and raise them out of
53:25
abject poverty. Thank you for that.
53:28
And we're going to become a huge global power.
53:31
But their oligarchs are working with our oligarchs.
53:34
They're all getting more money and more power.
53:36
And all of the people are getting less.
53:39
That's all that matters right now.
53:41
And so blame China is another way to say we're better, we're
53:43
OK now. We're OK We have Trump or
53:46
Republicans or we have something, we have tariffs,
53:49
whatever. We're OK now because we're
53:51
protecting ourselves from China. But we're just working with
53:53
China. We aren't, we aren't.
53:55
There's no we, there's no we, there's our elites and their
53:59
elites. And they're all working together
54:01
to make us poorer, to make us put us under surveillance, put
54:05
us under financial control. So there's really I I don't see
54:09
a big difference. Yeah, you just kind of answered
54:12
my next question I was going to ask.
54:13
So the what was the point of the COVID event?
54:18
Yeah, so the point was to get more power, more influence and
54:22
more money into the global ruling elites.
54:25
So it was the biggest shift in wealth in history.
54:28
Trillions of dollars went from the population into the pockets
54:32
of the very, very wealthy and the corporations.
54:36
It was a way to roll out certain surveillance mechanisms like
54:40
vaccine passports are a very good way to roll out kind of
54:44
health surveillance so and also to control people's movements.
54:47
Because if there is a universal vaccine passport like the UN and
54:51
The Who now are advocating not by themselves on behalf of the
54:55
cartel, they are advocating that that means that then we can only
54:58
travel if we get certain medical interventions.
55:03
And then they also want to introduce financial control in
55:06
the same way. And Catherine Austin Fitz has
55:08
some really good clips from central bankers, international
55:11
central bankers who are saying like, if we have central bank
55:15
digital currency and it doesn't have to be from the central
55:17
banks, it can be private. There's different kinds of
55:20
digital currency, but they have the same control.
55:22
So people have to understand that.
55:24
Again, it's a public private partnership.
55:26
So if we have digital currency from wherever, whatever source
55:31
we can control, what people do, we can digital.
55:35
ID buy. And digital ID, we can control
55:38
what they buy, we can control what they what they spend their
55:41
money on. We can control their healthcare,
55:43
we can control where they go, we can control what they say.
55:49
It's like a totalitarian's dream.
55:52
And that's what they kind of, I think started rolling out as a
55:56
practise run or just as it's kind of like starting to get the
56:00
population used to the idea because a lot of people thought
56:03
it was great to have, you know, a vaccine passports, right?
56:08
So they got people used to the idea that this was actually a
56:10
good thing. This is for your safety.
56:13
And now what they're doing is instead of saying it's for your
56:15
safety about viruses, they're saying it's for your safety
56:18
because of the evil immigrants. So the evil, evil immigrants are
56:23
all criminals, and we have to protect ourselves against the
56:26
criminal immigrants. And so we need digital IDs so
56:29
that we can protect ourselves, so that we can authenticate who
56:32
we are. It's the same thing.
56:33
It's the same thing. It's just a different boogeyman
56:35
that they're using to get a different population used to the
56:39
idea that digital IDs and digital control is a good thing.
56:46
That's why I think it was Whitney Webber who said that the
56:50
Trump administration in many ways is more dangerous than the
56:53
Biden administration because because he's got such a big fan
56:56
base that just about anything he says will be supported and and
57:00
it'll be packaged in a better way.
57:02
But it's effectively the same thing.
57:05
That's right. I don't know if you know Shannon
57:06
Joy. Shannon Joy isn't.
57:08
Yeah. So Shannon says it's just packed
57:10
in red meat. So she says it's wrapped in red
57:13
meat. So you basically take whatever
57:16
was vegan before, like the virus was wrapped in vegan, you know,
57:22
tofu and this is wrapped in red meat for the other audience.
57:26
And yeah, it's exactly the same thing.
57:28
And it, and I agree with Whitney Webb that it is as dangerous, if
57:32
not more dangerous, because now it's the other half of the
57:35
population. So 1/2 has already been
57:37
corralled. The half that believes that it's
57:39
good to have digital surveillance because of
57:42
diseases, now we have half that are happy to have digital
57:45
surveillance because of immigrants or whatever.
57:50
Just to touch on something that you said now a few minutes ago.
57:54
So my wife and I didn't have a single PCR test at all.
57:58
Not one. In fact, as a joke, last year,
58:02
somebody gave me APCR test as just as a, as a, as a gift,
58:06
because it was funny. And because I didn't know what
58:08
it, what it was, I had to open it and I had to read it, you
58:11
know, I just didn't know what it was.
58:14
And, and we didn't get vaccinated either.
58:18
So we had decided that, well, if a vaccine passport is required
58:22
to leave the country, well, that's it.
58:25
We're going to have to learn to enjoy our country and travel
58:29
around the country because we're not, we're not going down that
58:31
road. We're not going to legitimise
58:33
the system and we're not going to inject some toxin into our
58:36
body and, and, and we were not going to legitimise the system
58:43
by getting a fake passport because so I just didn't want to
58:48
be at all linked to any of that. As it turns out, the I I'm not
58:55
quite sure what happened, if it was because there was a big
58:58
public response that they weren't expecting, but a lot of
59:01
that stuff fell away temporarily, which is a good
59:03
thing. Yeah, I'm glad.
59:06
I mean, I was duped into getting the original vaccines.
59:10
So I am petrified for the rest of my life seriously, because
59:16
not that I thought that it was good or anything, but I didn't
59:18
realise how bad it was. And I needed to travel for my
59:22
daughter, but and I and I never did any tests except that one
59:26
when I travelled. And I, whenever anybody asked me
59:30
if I had COVID, I'm like, I don't know.
59:32
I never tested. I have no idea if I had ever had
59:35
COVID actually, to tell you the truth, I'm sure if there was a
59:38
germ going around, I did have a very bad flu of a kind that I
59:41
had never had before. But I don't know.
59:45
And I and and so. As I just said to you, there
59:48
wasn't a germ going around because I didn't go anywhere.
59:51
Yeah, you didn't. A germ wasn't going so.
59:55
Sorry, go on. No, no, no.
59:57
So, yeah. So, yeah.
59:58
So if everybody had done what you did.
1:00:02
Then there would be no vaccine passports and there would be no
1:00:07
vaccines. And that's my point.
1:00:09
My point is, even I fell for some things, even though I knew
1:00:13
in March 2020 that everything was a lie, even though I was.
1:00:16
I hadn't really started my research though.
1:00:18
I had only started my research in 2022, but I still knew
1:00:22
everything was a lie. I didn't know why.
1:00:24
I didn't know how bad the vaccines were, but even I got
1:00:27
duped because I just wanted it to be over.
1:00:29
Now people think it's over. Now, people don't want to talk
1:00:31
about COVID, which I find to be just the most frightening thing.
1:00:35
So the biggest event in the 21st century, and I would argue in
1:00:40
our lifetimes in terms of touching every person on the
1:00:43
planet, right? It affected almost every person
1:00:46
on the planet. I would say there's very few
1:00:47
people out of the 8 billion people on the planet who weren't
1:00:50
affected by it. Now, there's other things going
1:00:52
on that are huge. There's the Ukraine war that's
1:00:54
affecting millions of people, 911.
1:00:58
There's Israel, Gaza. I'm talking about what's
1:00:59
happening now. I mean, there's things happening
1:01:00
in the world that are affecting many, many people very, very
1:01:03
badly. And I'm not belittling anything,
1:01:07
any of those events. But COVID affected every person
1:01:10
in the world. It probably it killed millions.
1:01:13
The vaccines killed millions of people and injured millions of
1:01:17
people, more than any war, more than any single war.
1:01:20
So it was a war against the population of the world that was
1:01:25
done by the global elites. If we want to be very, you know,
1:01:30
very short, if we just want a short description of COVID, it
1:01:33
was the global elites fighting a war against the population of
1:01:36
the world. That's what it was and it's the
1:01:40
biggest event as I can. As far as I can tell, it's
1:01:43
never, it couldn't have happened before all of the technology
1:01:46
that we have now that enables these global systems to operate,
1:01:51
right. So that's why it happened on a
1:01:52
global level. So it used to be that the people
1:01:54
with all the money and the power could operate within the realm
1:01:58
of their within their Kingdom, within their empire.
1:02:01
But there was always something outside of it.
1:02:03
And now the global, it's global and it's a global control
1:02:06
network. And so there, it's very hard to
1:02:08
find something outside of that control network.
1:02:12
And I think that's unprecedented.
1:02:14
I think it is something that people need to, people don't
1:02:18
want to talk about it because it's so scary and it's so
1:02:22
unfathomable. It's unfathomable.
1:02:25
They want to believe that on a local level, we can still, we
1:02:28
can still operate on a local level and we can still achieve
1:02:30
something, which I agree. If you go hyper, hyper local, I
1:02:33
think that's really a place that's a good place to put your
1:02:36
energy and your time finding people you trust and creating
1:02:40
systems that are trustworthy and that are not corrupt because the
1:02:42
problem in every system of power is corruption.
1:02:48
Every, everything. I mean, look, my husband and I
1:02:50
who are not, we're not religious.
1:02:51
We're reading the Bible now because the Bible.
1:02:55
No really, because the Bible tell are you?
1:02:58
It tells the story over and over and over and over again of how
1:03:04
every system starts out with good intentions and with laws or
1:03:09
things that are going to protect us from the powerful.
1:03:11
So the powerful can't be completely corrupt.
1:03:14
There's always going to be some corruption and some conspiracies
1:03:17
and things. But as people get more and more
1:03:20
power, they get more and more corrupt, and then the system
1:03:23
collapses and then it starts all over again.
1:03:25
It just over and over and over. And that's what human history
1:03:29
is, that's what religion is, that's what our laws are for.
1:03:32
And so it's a little bit calming to see that this is something
1:03:36
that has always happened and it's going to happen again.
1:03:39
You mentioned Scott Atlas in passing earlier, and a lot of
1:03:42
people don't know who he is, but I've got a a quote here from,
1:03:46
well, it's from Trump speaking to Scott, saying you were right
1:03:50
about everything all along the way.
1:03:53
And you know what? You also write about something
1:03:55
else. Fauci wasn't the biggest problem
1:03:57
of them all. It really wasn't him.
1:03:59
Right. That's the quote that I was
1:04:00
talking about where he was saying it was Deborah Burke.
1:04:02
So what he was saying was if the national security apparatus that
1:04:06
was forcing me to do these things, he didn't say that to
1:04:09
Scott Atlas because Scott Atlas still doesn't know.
1:04:11
Scott Atlas thinks that they were just all really done.
1:04:15
And but that's what Trump was saying.
1:04:18
Oh, OK, but who is who is he saying it to?
1:04:19
He was. Saying it to Scott Atlas, he was
1:04:23
he. He was saying.
1:04:24
It to Scott Atlas, but he didn't tell Scott Atlas it was the
1:04:27
National Security Council. He just said it wasn't ouchy,
1:04:31
right? But now he's going after USAID,
1:04:34
he's going after the National Security Council.
1:04:36
He's not dismantling anything. You know, the military budget is
1:04:39
bigger than it's ever been. He's not touching any of it, but
1:04:43
he is performatively expressing his displeasure with the parts
1:04:49
of the national security state that visibly undermined his
1:04:54
presidency so. Well, I mean, Trump, Trump just,
1:04:58
I think he, I think if, if I got this right, he requested an
1:05:01
expansion to the military budget almost to the tune of a trillion
1:05:04
U.S. dollars. It's the largest ever.
1:05:07
It's the largest ever. I don't know if he the expansion
1:05:10
is a trillion or if it brought it up to a trillion, but yeah,
1:05:12
it's the biggest ever, yeah. I mean, why?
1:05:16
And Elon Musk is the biggest military contractor of the US
1:05:20
government. So thinking that he's somehow on
1:05:23
our side is, is interesting. Why?
1:05:28
Same. He's just part of the cartel.
1:05:31
I mean, again, I don't have any personal thoughts or feelings
1:05:34
about these people. Or, you know, I think some of
1:05:37
them are more evil than others, but it doesn't really matter.
1:05:39
They're not on my side. And I, I really feel scared when
1:05:45
people buy into the propaganda about how somebody who is the
1:05:51
richest person, one of the richest people in the world, who
1:05:53
has the most military contracts for surveillance, right?
1:05:58
I mean, his company, his satellite company is about
1:06:00
surveillance, right? That's what it's about.
1:06:05
Whose platform X is now just like a right wing like echo
1:06:11
chamber, just like blue sky is a left wing echo chamber.
1:06:15
You know, they pretended to be this free speech thing, but
1:06:18
they're totally censoring. They never stop censoring on X
1:06:22
just like every other platform because it's not Elon.
1:06:25
Again, not not about Elon. It's about him being part of a
1:06:29
giant system that's working against us.
1:06:32
He is the global elites. He is not the people and it's,
1:06:35
and for me, it's like who is in the global who's, who's working
1:06:38
for the global elites and who's working for the people?
1:06:41
He's not working for the people. And believing that is just so
1:06:44
naive in my opinion. I, I find it really hard to
1:06:47
understand the Musk cult. I'm very.
1:06:51
I find it hard to understand. Tell me more about your book and
1:06:55
how I can get it. And by the way, I'm going to
1:06:58
insist that you send me a personalised copy of your book
1:07:04
with with you writing in the front of it.
1:07:06
I will, I will here I'll show you, I'll show you what it looks
1:07:09
like. It's I think it's upside down,
1:07:13
it's backwards, but it's called the deep state goes viral.
1:07:17
And so my, my pitch is let's make the deep state goes viral,
1:07:22
viral go viral. Let's make the deep state goes
1:07:25
viral go viral. It's going pretty viral.
1:07:28
It's, it's doing well. You can get it on Amazon.
1:07:32
Unfortunately, Brownstone published it and Brownstone only
1:07:38
sells it through Amazon. It's kind of like, I think a
1:07:40
print on demand thing that Amazon does.
1:07:42
So it's not like there's a huge warehouse where there's a lot of
1:07:44
books sitting around. It's like when you order it,
1:07:46
they'll print it and send it to you, which is a really great
1:07:49
service. Unfortunately, it's coming from
1:07:50
Amazon, but there's also an audio version and there's also a
1:07:53
Kindle version. And what did you ask about the
1:07:59
book also? Well, I was just asking how I
1:08:01
can. How you can get, I'll send you a
1:08:04
copy. You can get it on Amazon.
1:08:07
So I think the audio version is available on the US Amazon and I
1:08:12
think the print copies are available definitely on the UK
1:08:15
version. You can order a print copy and
1:08:17
you can also get the Kindle version on the UK Amazon,
1:08:24
amazon.com.ukithinkoramazon.uk and it's doing really well.
1:08:30
If you want to read it and review it, that would be
1:08:32
awesome. It's now #1 and it has been,
1:08:36
it's only been out for two weeks.
1:08:38
It's number one in new releases under public policy and it's #1
1:08:44
under new releases in another public policy in government
1:08:48
category. Now, I don't know if that means
1:08:49
anything, but following the numbers, it's also in the top
1:08:54
200 in the book category of, of public policy and world history.
1:09:01
It's like in the top 300. So that's, that's, that's good
1:09:04
for a book that's only been out for two weeks.
1:09:06
So I'm trying to get people to help me get the word out because
1:09:10
I think I'm not getting rich off of it.
1:09:14
And it's more about getting the word out to people who might not
1:09:19
have thought about the things that Jeremy and I have talked
1:09:21
about today. So people who might still be
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thinking a lot in terms of local politics or in terms of we don't
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want to talk about COVID anymore because it's over.
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This is about how COVID actually is, not about COVID.
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I mean, that's why it's called the deep state goes viral.
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It's not the subhead is the COVID coup, pandemic planning
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and the COVID coup. So it's about how COVID is just
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a way for the power structures in the world to accomplish the
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things that they want to accomplish.
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And I think that's a message that actually people on all
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sides of politics and in all countries that were affected by
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it, which is almost every country can, can really start to
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hopefully explore. Well, you said that you're not
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getting rich offered, but I can tell you that I am richer for
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speaking to you on on this exact topic.
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So on that note, Debbie Lumen, thank you for joining me in the
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trenches. Thank you so much, I really
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appreciate it.