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West Point Cadet Poisons Pregnant Lover, Shoves Pills Into Body Part · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: Tonight, a West Point cadet poisons his pregnant girlfriend to
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  Speaker 2: kill the baby, shoving pills up into her body and
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  Speaker 2: seemingly is going to skate free. Good evening. I'm Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for
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  Speaker 2: being with us.
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  Speaker 3: Former West Point cadet Caleb Suh pleading guilty to a
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  Speaker 3: federal felony assault charge after secretly drugging his pregnant girlfriend
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  Speaker 3: to force an unwanted abortion. And he's currently facing a
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  Speaker 3: civil lawsuit while awaiting federal sentencing.
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  Speaker 4: I think we all share a sense of duty and
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  Speaker 4: want to help those around us. And that's what makes
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  Speaker 4: me most proud about being a cadet at West Point.
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  Speaker 5: I'm a firm.
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  Speaker 4: Believer that in trying times like these, you.
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  Speaker 5: Know, we all have a decision to make.
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  Speaker 4: We can choose to sit back and resent all of
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  Speaker 4: the missed opportunities and all the missed experiences and all
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  Speaker 4: the lost time. Or, you know, we can choose to
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  Speaker 4: evolve and we can choose to adapt.
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  Speaker 2: That is the West Point cadet, Caleb Suh, who then
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  Speaker 2: went on to graduate from Cornell University. and is now
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  Speaker 2: on scholarship at Columbia University in health care. They all say, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
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  Speaker 2: We didn't know he was charged with aggravated assault. We
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  Speaker 2: didn't know he pled guilty and is still out walking around.
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  Speaker 2: You know what? If his father wasn't a millionaire and
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  Speaker 2: a honcho within the government in health policy, if he
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  Speaker 2: didn't have a silver spoon in his mouth, He would
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  Speaker 2: be under the jail right now for what he admits
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  Speaker 2: he did to a fellow West Point cadet. Instead, he
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  Speaker 2: is walking free tonight on scholarship.
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  Speaker 5: What?
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  Speaker 2: Cornell and Columbia don't have that little question on their application?
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  Speaker 2: Have you ever been convicted of a crime? Have you
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  Speaker 2: been charged with a violent crime? Do you have charges pending?
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  Speaker 2: I don't believe that. Joining me, an all-star panel to
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  Speaker 2: make sense of what we are learning tonight, straight out
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  Speaker 2: to Dave Mack, Crime Stories investigative reporter. Dave Mack, I
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  Speaker 2: am looking at court documents that left me reeling about
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  Speaker 2: what happened to the victim. And I'm not saying alleged victim,
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  Speaker 2: because he admits to what he did to her. She
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  Speaker 2: could have bled to death in the West Point bathroom
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  Speaker 2: that night.
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  Speaker 1: What happened?
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  Speaker 6: Nancy Caleb's got his girlfriend pregnant while at West Point
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  Speaker 6: and demands she gets an abortion, but she refuses. So
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  Speaker 6: Sa starts acting like he's gonna kill himself if she
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  Speaker 6: doesn't get an abortion. When she refuses, he then acquiesces
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  Speaker 6: to her desires and acts like he's in favor of
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  Speaker 6: keeping the child. So he goes to visit her after
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  Speaker 6: he creates an online pharmacy account under her name. He
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  Speaker 6: illegally orders abortion medications. Then he spikes a protein shake
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  Speaker 6: with Xanax to sedate her. Now, while she's unconscious, he
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  Speaker 6: then forces the abortion pills into her mouth on her
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  Speaker 6: gum line and Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Stop right there. Stop right there, Dave. As much as
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  Speaker 2: I hate to stop a speeding roller coaster, did I
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  Speaker 2: just hear you say West Point cadet Caleb Suh stuffed medication,
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  Speaker 2: abortion pills up his fellow cadets? Did I hear that?
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  Speaker 5: You did.
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  Speaker 2: I want to circle back to something. I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: go back to the special prenatal protein drink that could
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  Speaker 2: have killed her, that totally knocked her out. She wakes
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  Speaker 2: up bleeding profusely, cramping, diarrhea passes out, the whole shebang.
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  Speaker 2: But right there, isn't it true, Dave Mack, that he then,
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  Speaker 2: after administering all these meds to her, unbeknownst to her,
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  Speaker 2: he leaves her. He leaves her. Is that right?
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  Speaker 6: He doesn't just leave her, Nancy. He refuses to answer
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  Speaker 6: any of her messages. She's bleeding and he has just
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  Speaker 6: left her.
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  Speaker 5: Okay.
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  Speaker 6: The last thing she remembers, he's right by her side,
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  Speaker 6: lovingly holding her hand. And then when she wakes up bleeding,
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  Speaker 6: he's gone and won't answer her phone calls and refuses
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  Speaker 6: to answer any phone or texts. She has to call 911.
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  Speaker 2: This is what we have just learned in bombshell legal documents. Doe,
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  Speaker 2: the female, was a sophomore cadet at West Point. He
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  Speaker 2: was her superior in a position of authority. He gets
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  Speaker 2: her pregnant, then threatens to commit if she doesn't terminate.
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  Speaker 1: Hold on.
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  Speaker 7: Dr.
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  Speaker 2: Bethany Marshall, please. How tired is Is that I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to kill myself if you don't fill in the blank?
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  Speaker 2: That is some sort of manipulation, but you're the shrink.
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  Speaker 2: What is that? He says he's going to commit suicide
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  Speaker 2: if she doesn't terminate. Not only is it.
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  Speaker 8: Highly manipulative, Nancy, but it creates a preoccupation in her
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  Speaker 8: that she is responsible for his mental well-being. So it
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  Speaker 8: creates a power imbalance where his life hangs in her hands,
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  Speaker 8: and therefore it shifts the focus of from the baby,
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  Speaker 8: the growing fetus in her tummy, to him as the
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  Speaker 8: primary person that she is responsible for, which would have
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  Speaker 8: been an indicator of what their relationship would have been
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  Speaker 8: like had they stayed together and had the baby.
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  Speaker 2: That's not all, Dr. Bethany. He then, and this is
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  Speaker 2: his statement, coerced Doe to drink what he told her
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  Speaker 2: was a special prenatal protein drink to help the baby.
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  Speaker 2: She felt paralyzed and had difficulty moving. Suh stood by
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  Speaker 2: and watched her become increasingly ill. At that point, he
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  Speaker 2: shoved the pills into her mouth. Straight out to a
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  Speaker 2: special guest joining us. You know him well. It's Dr.
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  Speaker 2: Raymond Gagliardi. He is a general surgeon specializing in trauma surgery,
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  Speaker 2: surgical critical care, and complex gastrointestinal and emergency surgical procedures.
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  Speaker 2: He's seen it all.
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  Speaker 9: Dr.
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  Speaker 2: Gagliardi, thank you for being with us. There was also,
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  Speaker 2: in addition to force feeding her, she woke up with
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  Speaker 2: her hair all stuck up between her gum and her lip,
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  Speaker 2: and they were in her, stuffed up her. She was
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  Speaker 2: totally passed out. She wakes up with horrible cramps, diarrhea,
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  Speaker 2: barely makes it to the bathroom, the public bathroom there
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  Speaker 2: at West Point in the dorms. And she's bleeding profusely.
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  Speaker 2: She's been passed out. She could have bled to death.
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  Speaker 2: In that prenatal drink, I know that there was a
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  Speaker 2: concoction of at least two drugs. What can you tell us?
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  Speaker 2: What happened to Jane Doe?
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  Speaker 9: Well, Nancy, it seems like that she received a medical abortion.
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  Speaker 9: And the normal protocol are two different medications that are
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  Speaker 9: usually prescribed. The first medication is mifeprostone. and that's given orally.
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  Speaker 5: You swallow it.
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  Speaker 9: The second medication is given 24 to 48 hours later,
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  Speaker 9: and that is misoprostol. That medication is given either in
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  Speaker 9: the cheek, and it's not clear from the medical reports
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  Speaker 9: how she was being administered, although it does sound like
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  Speaker 9: there was a insertion of some medication. But the normal
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  Speaker 9: protocol are two different medications to induce a medical abortion.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, doctor, you and I have very, very different vernacular.
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  Speaker 2: You call it a medical abortion. I call it aggravated assault.
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  Speaker 2: You call it insertion. I call that penetration. That's what
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  Speaker 2: that means in my world. And doctor, I want to
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  Speaker 2: also talk about what was in her special prenatal shake.
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  Speaker 2: What did he put in that, Doc?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, no, that's not clear.
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  Speaker 9: The news reports have talked about a medication, a very
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  Speaker 9: potent sedative called Xanax. And it sounds like that may
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  Speaker 9: have been in the shake, causing her to become extremely sedated,
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  Speaker 9: extremely sleepy. And then he obviously administered the other medications.
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  Speaker 9: Perhaps in that first cocktail was also that first medication
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  Speaker 9: that he had obtained, which is the mifepastone, which is
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  Speaker 9: the first medication to start the medical abortion.
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  Speaker 2: Doctor, I believe in the special prenatal shake he forced
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  Speaker 2: her to drink. He literally put it to her mouth.
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  Speaker 2: She said it repulsed her, the taste, so she didn't
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  Speaker 2: want it. He made her drink it. There was a
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  Speaker 2: medication called promethazine.
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  Speaker 9: Yes, Nancy. Promethazine, yes. If that, in fact, were some
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  Speaker 9: of the medications she was given, promethazine is an anti-nausea medicine. So,
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  Speaker 9: it can be used for a variety of things. How
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  Speaker 9: he obtained that, we don't know or I don't know,
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  Speaker 9: but that is an anti-nausea medicine. So, in this cocktail
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  Speaker 9: that you talk about that she received, we're not quite
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  Speaker 9: sure what was given. There's been talks about Xanax, which
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  Speaker 9: is a potent sedative. You're mentioning an anti medication that
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  Speaker 9: could have been.
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  Speaker 5: There, promethazine.
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  Speaker 9: And then obviously the first medication to induce the abortion, mifeprostone,
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  Speaker 9: that may also been in this cocktail. So it's not
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  Speaker 9: clear to me what she got, but these are medications
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  Speaker 9: that are prescribed by a provider, a health care provider,
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  Speaker 9: and are given usually under the guidance and supervision of
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  Speaker 9: a health care provider.
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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 5: Doctor, I.
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  Speaker 2: If possible, I would like you to explain and regular
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  Speaker 2: people talk. How did this girl, this pregnant girl, still
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  Speaker 2: a teen, end up on the floor of the communal
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  Speaker 2: bathroom at West Point, diarrhea, severe cramping, and bleeding out?
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  Speaker 2: How did that? She's asleep one minute. Then she wakes
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  Speaker 2: up with all of this happening. These meds were administered
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  Speaker 2: to her without her knowledge, and suddenly she's bleeding out. Doctor,
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  Speaker 2: I don't need to tell you, you can die by
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  Speaker 2: bleeding out during a miscarriage.
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  Speaker 9: Absolutely. Absolutely, Nancy. She could have died from hemorrhage or
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  Speaker 9: bleeding out, as you say. She was bleeding fairly profusely.
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  Speaker 9: She had to call 911. She had to have some
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  Speaker 9: additional treatment to stop that. It seems like from all
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  Speaker 9: the reports, you know, she was not under medical care.
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  Speaker 9: She was not under medical supervision. And she received, as
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  Speaker 9: you say, this cocktail of drugs to induce a medical abortion.
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  Speaker 9: Those medications are potent. And she received these medications as
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  Speaker 9: well as some sedatives and other medications for nausea by
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  Speaker 9: her boyfriend at the time without her consent, as you reported.
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  Speaker 9: And she was not under any medical care. And then
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  Speaker 9: she bled. Now, some of these medications can cause some bleeding.
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  Speaker 9: That's to be expected with a medical abortion. But from
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  Speaker 9: the news reports, it sounds like this was beyond that.
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  Speaker 9: And she may have had an incomplete abortion. And that
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  Speaker 9: demands immediate surgical medical attention.
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  Speaker 2: Up until now, the defendant, the West Point cadets family
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  Speaker 2: has managed to keep this on the down low. That
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  Speaker 2: is up until tonight. I don't understand how he has
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  Speaker 2: managed to stay at Columbia. on scholarship to finish the semester.
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  Speaker 2: If he had been an uneducated person, a minority, a
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  Speaker 2: regular person like the rest of us, he would be
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  Speaker 2: under the jail right now. To Marie Pereira joining us,
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  Speaker 2: defense attorney and domestic violence expert, also a nurse, OK, Marie,
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  Speaker 2: let it go.
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  Speaker 7: I don't understand why it was aggravated assault.
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  Speaker 10: He sedated the woman with promethazine, a very potent antihistamine
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  Speaker 10: and Xanax.
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  Speaker 7: She could have died herself. And you're right, Nancy. If
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  Speaker 7: he was anyone else, he would have been charged.
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  Speaker 2: And again, I am not arguing pro or anti abortion.
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  Speaker 2: That's not what we're talking about. This young girl said
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  Speaker 2: she wanted to keep the baby. Then Suh threatens and
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  Speaker 2: on and on and on, then has a change of
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  Speaker 2: heart and acts like he's supporting the birth. And now this.
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  Speaker 2: I think I know why, Marie. He was born with
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  Speaker 2: a silver spoon in his mouth. He's believed to have
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  Speaker 2: attended the prestigious James Madison High School, Vienna, Virginia, highly
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  Speaker 2: ranked in the nation. At West Point, he was invited
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  Speaker 2: to join the Honor Society of Phi Kappa Phi. Not
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  Speaker 2: only is that, his parents are millionaires. Who is his dad,
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  Speaker 2: Dave Mack from Crime Stories? Who's the dad?
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  Speaker 6: He is a retired Georgetown professor and a health care
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  Speaker 6: consultant who is the chief of staff at the Department
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  Speaker 6: of Veterans Affairs, Washington, D.C. health care system, Nancy.
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  Speaker 2: Joining us right now, Russell Kornblith. He is the attorney
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  Speaker 2: for the victim in this case, not the alleged victim,
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  Speaker 2: the victim. Attorney Kornblith, thank you for being with us tonight.
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  Speaker 2: First question, I find it very hard to believe that
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  Speaker 2: this guy should have been charged with aggravated assault, which
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  Speaker 2: carries 20 to life. Then you've got the unwanted... abortion,
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  Speaker 2: the death of the child, not charged with that in
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  Speaker 2: any significant way. And the max he's looking at is
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  Speaker 2: two years on two years. He'll be out probably in
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  Speaker 2: less than one, like Diddy Sean comes. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: if in your practice, your silver spoon practice that you've
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  Speaker 2: heard about Sean comes, but he's about to walk. Uh,
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  Speaker 2: that said, he goes on to Cornell to get his degree.
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  Speaker 2: then gets a scholarship to Columbia where he says he's
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  Speaker 2: interested in health policy. I don't want this guy dictating
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  Speaker 2: health policy to patients after what he has admitted to.
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  Speaker 2: And he's on scholarship. And then after Columbia finds out
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  Speaker 2: about this, even though daddy tried to keep it on
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  Speaker 2: the down low, we know, hey, Columbia, should I send
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  Speaker 2: you a copy of tonight's show? Because I will. They
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  Speaker 2: are allowing him to stay in Columbia on scholarship to
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  Speaker 2: finish the semester. I've got people, Russell, that can't go
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  Speaker 2: to their mom's funeral because they're behind bars or their
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  Speaker 2: child's funeral. And he is out walking free.
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  Speaker 1: Why?
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  Speaker 11: It's as unbelievable to me as it is to you, Nancy.
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  Speaker 11: I just cannot believe. that society has not taken care
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  Speaker 11: of this person in the way that he deserves.
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  Speaker 12: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Give me your understanding, Russell, of what happened that night
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  Speaker 2: and leading up to that night.
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  Speaker 5: Sure.
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  Speaker 11: So our client was in her freshman year at West Point.
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  Speaker 11: And during that time, she was pursued by the defendant, Mr.
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  Speaker 9: Suh.
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  Speaker 11: The two eventually were engaged in a dating relationship. And
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  Speaker 11: then in the spring of her sophomore year at West Point,
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  Speaker 11: she learns that she is pregnant by Mr. Suh in
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  Speaker 11: January of that year. She tells him, and he threatens
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  Speaker 11: that he's going to commit suicide if she doesn't terminate
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  Speaker 11: the pregnancy. She doesn't want to terminate the pregnancy. She's
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  Speaker 11: told him that before, that if she ever became pregnancy,
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  Speaker 11: she was determined that she would carry the pregnancy to term.
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  Speaker 11: And so she tells him that, and he's initially upset.
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  Speaker 11: But then roughly a week later, He tells her that
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  Speaker 11: he's remonstrated. He's changed his mind. He's now supportive. And
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  Speaker 11: that's when we understand that he orders this pregnancy prenatal
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  Speaker 11: protein shake and tells her that she should have it
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  Speaker 11: because it's going to help the pregnancy and the baby
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  Speaker 11: that they, at least my client, intends to have. And
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  Speaker 11: after she takes it, she becomes ill. She becomes incapacitated
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  Speaker 11: and he's sitting there watching.
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  Speaker 2: And then.
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  Speaker 11: While she's in and out of consciousness, he puts this
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  Speaker 11: abortion medication in her mouth and in her. And then,
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  Speaker 11: as she's still going in and out, she spits the
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  Speaker 11: pills out of her mouth. He puts them back in.
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  Speaker 11: He tells her, eat this. It's good for you. She's
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  Speaker 11: still in and out of consciousness that night. He leaves her.
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  Speaker 11: And then around midnight, she wakes up. She makes her
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  Speaker 11: way to the bathroom, which is across the hall. She
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  Speaker 11: determines that she's bleeding from her and she calls 911.
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  Speaker 11: She's taken to the hospital. She's then taken to a
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  Speaker 11: second hospital and she learns that she's miscarried. At the hospital,
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  Speaker 11: she's again trying to reach the defendant and the defendant's
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  Speaker 11: not responding to her. This is somebody that she thought
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  Speaker 11: she could trust with whom she intended to have a baby.
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  Speaker 11: And she's suffering at this point and he's not responding.
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  Speaker 11: And then by March of that year, he breaks up
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  Speaker 11: with her. And it's only then that she's able to
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  Speaker 11: piece together what she's experienced.
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  Speaker 2: What I don't understand to David Sarney, former NYPD detective,
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  Speaker 2: 27 years in law enforcement, now professor, John Jay College,
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  Speaker 2: criminal justice. David, I don't understand how this is any
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  Speaker 2: different from A defendant named Dr. Yu. Listen, let me
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  Speaker 2: refresh your recollection, David Sarney.
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  Speaker 12: I'd taken a sip of his tea, putting it on
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  Speaker 12: the table, putting a saran wrap over it to protect it.
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  Speaker 12: And she, after he left the room, Dr. Yu came in,
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  Speaker 12: lifted up the saran wrap, put it in the Drano,
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  Speaker 12: and put the saran wrap back over it.
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  Speaker 2: That's some K-Cal news. Let's see the stills. The husband
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  Speaker 2: actually caught on cam of his wife putting Drano. There
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  Speaker 2: she is. That's the Drano in her hand. Then she
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  Speaker 2: is making him a drink, pouring the Drano into his
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  Speaker 2: quote special drink. There she's doctoring it up some more.
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  Speaker 2: And now we're going, there he is. He's drinking it.
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  Speaker 2: It totally tore up the inside of his stomach. He
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  Speaker 2: nearly died, much as this young West Point cadet was
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  Speaker 2: bleeding out in the bathroom, the communal bathroom. How is Suh?
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  Speaker 2: any different from that case? Why is he being treated differently, Sarnie?
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  Speaker 13: I'm going to stick to the law on this, and
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  Speaker 13: that's the problem. When you talk about New York state
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  Speaker 13: penal law, you're talking about what is a person? A
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  Speaker 13: person is born and is alive. And given the term
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  Speaker 13: in which the fetus was, that may be a mitigating circumstance.
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  Speaker 13: The aggravated, the felony assault is there based on his
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  Speaker 13: actions toward the girl. What the problem is, can you
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  Speaker 13: prosecute it beyond a reasonable doubt to a manslaughter charge?
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  Speaker 5: And it didn't seem to be the case. Not only that,
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  Speaker 5: the feds took this case, a federal charge.
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  Speaker 13: What the state might have done is they would have added,
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  Speaker 13: just again, felony assault and a couple of things involving
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  Speaker 13: the drug charges.
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  Speaker 5: That's pretty much what you have here.
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  Speaker 2: Sarney, I don't understand what you're saying. Why are you
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  Speaker 2: saying this can't be proven? He admitted to it.
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  Speaker 13: The admission might have come based on the fact that
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  Speaker 13: they had information that may not get beyond a reasonable doubt.
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  Speaker 13: So that's maybe why they took the plea. I'm not
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  Speaker 13: agreeing with it. Here's what it comes down to. As
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  Speaker 13: an investigator, as an educator, I'm disgusted by the entire thing.
• 21:24
  Speaker 13: But we have to abide by what we can do
• 21:26
  Speaker 13: as investigators, what we can get to the prosecutor.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: Put him up.
• 21:31
  Speaker 5: And put the prosecutor.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: What are you?
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: Who has killed David Sarney and is wearing his skin?
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: I think. You've lost your mind. What do you mean
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: we can't prove it beyond a reasonable doubt? The man
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: admitted to it. Do you not see those screens I'm
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: putting up? Let's go with this one. My intent was
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: to use the Xanax to unwillingly sedate my girlfriend so
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: I could administer the abortion pills, which I got under
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: her name on an online pharmacy. He later acknowledged she
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: miscarried as a result of the abortion pills I administered
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: to her. I'm on to the next screen, guys. Please
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: put it up. Administered to her without her knowledge and consent. More,
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: in order to deceive her, I led her to believe
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: I supported her pregnancy. In fact, I did not. I
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: encouraged her to drink a prenatal protein shake. I waited
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: for her to fall asleep, at which time I physically
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: administered the abortion pills I got from obtaining the online
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: pharmacy impersonating her. We even know what was in the
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: special prenatal protein drink. He is admitting it under oath.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: We have the doctor's accounts from the facilities that talk
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: about her miscarriage, her bleeding.
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  Speaker 9: What?
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: What am I missing? Why are you saying we can't
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: prove it? He admitted to it.
• 22:59
  Speaker 13: The admission is one thing. And I always say this,
• 23:01
  Speaker 13: you know, this is up to the prosecutor and that's
• 23:04
  Speaker 13: the issue.
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: And I always say this, you know, discretion.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: I can't wait to hear what you always say. Okay.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: Because you're backtracking right now. You said it can't be proven.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: It can't be proven.
• 23:16
  Speaker 13: Discretion is, but discretion of the prosecutor is where it
• 23:19
  Speaker 13: comes down to. We could bring any great charges to
• 23:21
  Speaker 13: a prosecutor. The big thing in the criminal justice system, again,
• 23:24
  Speaker 13: I could be as angry as everybody else about this,
• 23:26
  Speaker 13: and I am.
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: I am disgusted. It is beyond the pale.
• 23:30
  Speaker 13: But when it comes to the prosecution, they make the
• 23:33
  Speaker 13: determination what they wish to do or not.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: You know what?
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: I want you to tell me something I don't already know.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: Everybody listening or watching tonight knows the prosecutor brings the charges.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: My original question— you' re not being responsive. Objection. Unresponsive to the question.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: Russell Kornblith, lawyer for the victim in this case, Sarnie
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: is not being responsive. That's a legitimate objection in court.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: That's when I would have to turn him, the state's witness,
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: into a hostile witness and begin cross-examining my own witness,
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: which is never a good look. But I would do it.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: Russell Kornblith. Why is he being treated differently from all
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: the other guys that poison their lover, mistress, wife, girlfriend,
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: fill in the blank? Why is he getting special treatment?
• 24:22
  Speaker 11: Nancy, you know, I really don't know. I can only
• 24:25
  Speaker 11: speculate here. But obviously, this is a young man with
• 24:29
  Speaker 11: extreme privilege who apparently had every advantage. And it seemed
• 24:35
  Speaker 11: that he had worked in his favor.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I'm not hearing anything, and I respect you, Cornblith.
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: I do.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: You've got an excellent track record as a lawyer. But
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: that was gibberish because you do know that Lady Justice
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: wears a blindfold, right?
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: A blindfold.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: She's not supposed to see people that are rich and
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: entitled and educated as being different from, let's just say,
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: a girl that grew up on a red dirt road
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: drinking well water. Like me, there's not supposed to be
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: a difference between a rich educated person and a poor minority.
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: Now that's what the blindfold represents. She carries a sword
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: of justice and a shield to protect the law. That's
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: not happening. How is he any different from the Colorado
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: dentist that over a long period of time poisoned his
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: wife after I believe they had Jackie five children together.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: So he could be with yet another mistress.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: Here he is, Dr. Jim Craig.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: He's doing hard time in the pen right now.
• 25:49
  Speaker 14: My name is Dr. Jim Craig and I practice at
• 25:52
  Speaker 14: Summerbrook Dental Group. My approach to dentistry begins with sincerely
• 25:57
  Speaker 14: listening to the patient and wanting to find out more
• 25:59
  Speaker 14: about where they're coming from and what they're looking for
• 26:02
  Speaker 14: and what they want.
• 26:04
  Speaker 7: Look, and he's going to go visit a patient.
• 26:06
  Speaker 5: Oh, I'm going to go see a patient.
• 26:10
  Speaker 7: We've been waiting down here for you, Dr. I. I
• 26:12
  Speaker 7: think you need.
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: A tooth extracted.
• 26:15
  Speaker 11: I'm here to do the work.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: Hi, Nicole.
• 26:18
  Speaker 6: How are you?
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: I'm good.
• 26:19
  Speaker 9: How are you?
• 26:20
  Speaker 7: Sorry you had to see me like this again. I
• 26:23
  Speaker 7: know last weekend was a little.
• 26:24
  Speaker 9: Bit of a shock, but here I am again just
• 26:26
  Speaker 9: like this.
• 26:27
  Speaker 7: Sorry, you had a little bit of an exam.
• 26:29
  Speaker 9: I didn't mean to interrupt.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 26:30
  Speaker 9: Good luck, Nicole.
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: Hope you don't have any cavities.
• 26:32
  Speaker 14: If you do, though, I'll take care of them.
• 26:34
  Speaker 5: That's right.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: Right here.
• 26:37
  Speaker 15: Between work and taking care of their six children, the
• 26:39
  Speaker 15: Craigs still manage to fit a workout into their daily routine.
• 26:42
  Speaker 15: The husband and wife go for a run or hit
• 26:44
  Speaker 15: the gym together almost every day, and when they return home,
• 26:47
  Speaker 15: James Craig makes protein shakes or fruit smoothies for breakfast
• 26:51
  Speaker 15: while Angela delves into getting the kids ready for the day.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: Oh, the good old healthy milkshake again. A protein shake.
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: She went into a coma after suffering immensely, immense pain,
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: That was from Summer Brook Dentistry on Facebook. By the way,
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: he got life plus 33. I've got a stack of
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: cases where men poison their fill-in-the-blank girlfriend, wife, mistress, lover,
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: love object, and they get hard time. I mean, what
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: it all boils down to, to Dr. Gagliardi.
• 27:31
  Speaker 7: Dr.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: Gagliardi, I want to be very clear. about what happened
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: to this girl.
• 27:40
  Speaker 9: Yes, she got medications against her will. And our understanding
• 27:45
  Speaker 9: of these medications, they are potent medications that are used
• 27:50
  Speaker 9: for specific medical indications. And she was administered medications to
• 27:57
  Speaker 9: induce a medical abortion. She also received a potent sedative
• 28:01
  Speaker 9: called Xanax, to allow this individual to give her the
• 28:06
  Speaker 9: abortion medications against her will. She then had significant hemorrhage
• 28:14
  Speaker 9: or bleeding.
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: Bleeding.
• 28:16
  Speaker 9: Some bleeding is to be expected with a medical abortion.
• 28:20
  Speaker 9: It sounds like the bleeding she had was above what
• 28:23
  Speaker 9: would be normal and expected, requiring her to call 911
• 28:28
  Speaker 9: and to be seen emergently in a hospital and get
• 28:31
  Speaker 9: further surgical treatment, which sounds like perhaps a DNC to
• 28:36
  Speaker 9: complete the incomplete abortion.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: Dr. Raymond Gagliardi, isn't it true that women in frequently
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: die during childbirth and or miscarriage.
• 28:48
  Speaker 9: Yes, women in childbirth can die. The baby can die
• 28:56
  Speaker 9: and certainly the mother can die from multiple complications, one
• 28:59
  Speaker 9: of which is significant life-threatening hemorrhage with childbirth.
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: According to our research, direct deaths specifically from early miscarriage,
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: an estimated 260,000 maternal deaths each year due to heavy
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: bleeding and infection playing a major role, 260,000 per year.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: And what I don't understand is why this wealthy, entitled
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: West Point cadet, Cornell grad, now getting a master's degree
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: at Columbia, is being treated any differently from chiropractor Brian Mann.
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: who got life.
• 30:01
  Speaker 16: He laid them on my bedside table every single night
• 30:05
  Speaker 16: and reminded me to take them before bed. I started
• 30:08
  Speaker 16: having severe abdominal and back pain. I was throwing up
• 30:13
  Speaker 16: and I couldn't eat any solid food whatsoever. I didn't
• 30:15
  Speaker 16: want to believe that he could have done it to me.
• 30:20
  Speaker 16: He's just not who I thought he was.
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: That part was taking meds from his chiropractic practice and
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: surreptitiously giving them to Hannah Petty, who lived his, oh,
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: dear Lord in heaven. And he got life behind bars.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: So where I'm going with this, Marie Pereira, is that
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: he's being treated differently because of wealth and privilege, right?
• 30:48
  Speaker 7: Absolutely.
• 30:49
  Speaker 17: And when you know you make a shake and you
• 30:52
  Speaker 17: put Xanax, which is an anti-anxiety medication with promethazine, a
• 30:57
  Speaker 17: very important, a very potent antihistamine, it could cause you
• 31:02
  Speaker 17: to be.
• 31:02
  Speaker 7: Drowsy, which is what he wanted. It could reduce your respirations.
• 31:07
  Speaker 10: And cause hypoxia, which is what happened, because the poor
• 31:10
  Speaker 10: girl was just laying there, confused, didn't know what to do,
• 31:14
  Speaker 10: couldn't even fight him. Meanwhile, like you said, he's inserting
• 31:18
  Speaker 10: his hand into her to put a medication that will
• 31:22
  Speaker 10: cause her to abort her child.
• 31:24
  Speaker 7: She could have died.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: And guess what, Nancy?
• 31:26
  Speaker 7: If she died and nobody found out, it would.
• 31:29
  Speaker 10: Have been She ordered those meds to do that self-induced abortion,
• 31:35
  Speaker 10: and then.
• 31:35
  Speaker 7: She was so depressed, she was a drug addict, she
• 31:38
  Speaker 7: took those pills, right, and put it in her shake,
• 31:41
  Speaker 7: and she committed.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: To Dr.
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: Bethany Marshall, I did not introduce her properly earlier. My
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: sentiments are in direct lockstep with Marie Pereira's.
• 31:52
  Speaker 9: Dr.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: Bethany Marshall is a renowned psychoanalyst. You can see her
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: on Hulu, Bravo, Peacock. She is a star of a
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: hit new podcast, the Dr. Bethany Marshall podcast, and you
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: can find her at drbethanymarshall.com.
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: Dr.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: Bethany, I'm just stunned. And we're just really finding out
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: about this because according to reports, it was kept on
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: the down low. No one wanted it to come out
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: that he had admitted, had pled guilty, and had deferred
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: sentencing so he could finish his semester at Columbia. And
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: now they and Cornell are saying, we didn't know. We
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: never asked BS. It's on every college application I've ever seen,
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: and I've seen plenty.
• 32:38
  Speaker 8: You know, Nancy, just like Caleb plays by his own rules,
• 32:41
  Speaker 8: the Columbia University, all of these systems, they play by
• 32:45
  Speaker 8: their own rules too. rather than the rules of society.
• 32:48
  Speaker 8: Do you know that Caleb's father lives in a $ 17
• 32:51
  Speaker 8: million mansion and yet Caleb accepts a scholarship that could
• 32:57
  Speaker 8: go to underprivileged students? That's just one more extension of
• 33:01
  Speaker 8: the entitlement. I think he just was letting her spin out.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: According to our research, Cornell University does allow for disclosure
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: of misdemeanor or felony convictions. So, Was this disclosed to
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: Cornell University? As a matter of fact, on the Common
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: App for universities and colleges across our country, they specifically
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: ask if you have charges or a conviction. Isn't that true,
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: Dave Mack?
• 33:35
  Speaker 6: Absolutely true, Nancy. The university said that it that Caleb
• 33:41
  Speaker 6: Tsa answered no to the application question asking whether he
• 33:45
  Speaker 6: had ever been found responsible for a disciplinary violation at
• 33:49
  Speaker 6: any previous educational institution. Very specific question that he said no.
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: Also, according to our research, Columbia grad programs explicitly require
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: applicants to state whether they've ever been convicted or charged
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: with a crime. So that's the last thing I want
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: to Dr. Raymond Gagliardi, general surgeon specializing in trauma surgery.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: The last thing I want is a doctor hovering over
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: me that did this to an unconscious girl, fed her
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: a prenatal protein drink, tried to force pills in her
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: mouth saying, eat these. They're good for you. I do
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: not want him, her touching me or my children.
• 34:41
  Speaker 9: No, to your point, this should have been done, obviously,
• 34:45
  Speaker 9: with her consent and under medical supervision. That's how medical
• 34:49
  Speaker 9: abortions or surgical abortions are performed. This individual received potent
• 34:55
  Speaker 9: medications against her will. And she had consequences, dangerous consequences.
• 35:01
  Speaker 9: She had hemorrhage or bleeding after this medication was administered,
• 35:07
  Speaker 9: requiring her to seek emergency medical care. So clearly, she
• 35:14
  Speaker 9: and some of your guests have indicated she could have
• 35:18
  Speaker 9: died from this administration of these medications. When not done properly,
• 35:23
  Speaker 9: they can lead to very severe death. life-threatening complications.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: Russell Kornblith, representing the victim in this case, I just
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: wonder how it makes her feel to see him going on,
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: getting his degree at Cornell, getting a grad degree on
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: scholarship at Columbia, while her life has been completely upended.
• 35:53
  Speaker 11: It's horribly unfair. And that's part of the injustice that
• 35:56
  Speaker 11: we are looking to right here. I think there are
• 35:59
  Speaker 11: serious questions for how somebody who has now admitted to
• 36:03
  Speaker 11: doing these things was able to attend these prestigious universities
• 36:07
  Speaker 11: and essentially move on with his life when our client
• 36:11
  Speaker 11: has continued to suffer with the consequences of the actions
• 36:15
  Speaker 11: to which he's now admitted.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: If you need confidential crisis support for Sex harassment or
• 36:23
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• 36:26
  Speaker 6: 877-995-5247.
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: We remember American hero Deputy Sheriff Brian Sleeper, Burleigh County Sheriff,
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: North Dakota. Passed away in the line of duty after
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: 11 years on the force, leaving behind a wife-turned-widow, Lana.
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: and children without a father, Brandon, Jeremy, and Heather. American hero,
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: Deputy Sheriff Brian Sleeper. Thank you to our guests, but
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: especially to you for being with us. Nancy Grace signing
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: off for tonight, but I'll see you tomorrow night, God willing.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: And until then, good night, friend.
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: Good night.