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Sharri | 12 December · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News.
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Speaker 2: This is Sharry.
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Speaker 3: Good Evening.
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Speaker 4: It's my final show of the year tonight and I
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Speaker 4: have major scoops. First exclusive vision from inside Melbourne's a
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Speaker 4: Dust Synagogue showing.
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Speaker 3: The moment it went up in flames.
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Speaker 4: This is the first look at the arsonists while they
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Speaker 4: were committing this terror attack. It's truly horrifying and it
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Speaker 4: shows how those inside were mere seconds away from being
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Speaker 4: engulfed in flames. That story in a moment also tonight,
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Speaker 4: Anthony Albanezi told prominent members of the Jewish community that
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Speaker 4: the Arabs are doing.
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Speaker 3: It really tough at the moment.
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Speaker 4: This was his instinctive remark at a time when our
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Speaker 4: country is in the grips of an antisemitism crisis.
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Speaker 3: That story coming up.
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Speaker 4: Rupert Murdoch has today visited the Adust Synagogue to witness
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Speaker 4: the aftermath of the terror attack, saying he would deeply
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Speaker 4: moved and there's pressure on John Persuto to stand down.
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Speaker 3: Tonight, with MOI.
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Speaker 4: Redeeming being awarded three hundred thousand in damages, Persuno claimed
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Speaker 4: there were no adverse findings against him, a statement that's
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Speaker 4: latantly untrue. Lawyer Justin Quill will be on live shortly.
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Speaker 4: But first tonight, let's start with the truly horrifying moment
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Speaker 4: the ad Synagogue went up in flames. Police have obtained
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Speaker 4: crucial new evidence that shows the alleged arsonists behind this
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Speaker 4: terror attack. The exclusive pictures I'm about to show you,
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Speaker 4: obtained by police, are captured from CCTV.
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Speaker 3: Inside the temple.
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Speaker 4: It is a truly horrifying moment when a synagogue is set.
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Speaker 3: Alight and torched. Take a look. It's so terrifying, isn't Enton.
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Speaker 4: I want to show you those pictures again, but this
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Speaker 4: time in slow motion. Just look how quickly that fire spreads.
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Speaker 4: In a matter of seconds, the synagogue turns from a
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Speaker 4: peaceful place of worship, a safe room for study and prayer,
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Speaker 4: into a potentially deadly inferno, the flames raging inside with thick,
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Speaker 4: acrid smoke. And now I can show you what happened
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Speaker 4: inside the synagogue just moments before this. You can see
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Speaker 4: a worshiper to the left of the screen peering inside
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Speaker 4: the room where the arsonists are dousing petrol. He sees
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Speaker 4: what's going on, he starts to flee, Then he goes
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Speaker 4: back and bangs on the door. It looks like he
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Speaker 4: says something to the terrorists, but then it runs for
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Speaker 4: his life as he flees the room. You can see
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Speaker 4: the urgency and terror. And now we're more extraordinary and
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Speaker 4: shocking footage, which is right now being examined by police.
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Speaker 4: I can show you the actual attackers moving inside the
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Speaker 4: synagogue moments before the inferno erupts. Look closely now to
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Speaker 4: the left side of your screen, the circle in red
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Speaker 4: through the door. You can see the arsonists running back
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Speaker 4: and forth. It appears they're carrying a red jerry can
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Speaker 4: as they pour petrol all over the synagogue. And let's
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Speaker 4: take a closer look at that vision, because it's utterly
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Speaker 4: extraordinary to see these arsonists behind this terror attack. This time,
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Speaker 4: let's look in slow motion, and if you look closely,
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Speaker 4: you can see there's a black covering or mask on
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Speaker 4: one of their faces.
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Speaker 3: Have a look. You can see that.
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Speaker 4: Now that is key evidence for police who are tonight
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Speaker 4: leading this terrorist investigation. Then, precisely thirty seven seconds later,
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Speaker 4: the entire room goes up in flames. Thirty seven seconds
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Speaker 4: between when the worshiper left the room and when it
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Speaker 4: was on fire. That is thirty seven seconds between life
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Speaker 4: and death.
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Speaker 3: In the wake of this attack.
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Speaker 4: Albanesi has claimed that he cares about antisemitism. He visited
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Speaker 4: Sydney's Holocaust Museum yesterday and spoke about the need for action.
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Speaker 4: But last week, before this terror attack, he made an
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Speaker 4: insensitive remark. Prime Minister Anthony Albanesi told prominent members of
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Speaker 4: the Jewish community that the Arabs are doing it really
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Speaker 4: tough at the moment. He made the comments last week
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Speaker 4: prior to the terror attack on the Adashed Synagogue in Melbourne,
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Speaker 4: but after the extensive antisemitic vandalism in Wullara. His tone,
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Speaker 4: deaf and insensitive comments are understood to have shocked the
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Speaker 4: prominent Jewish leaders, who immediately responded by telling Albanzi that
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Speaker 4: the Jewish community was doing it tough as well. Albanese's
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Speaker 4: comments show he has failed to understand the gravity of
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Speaker 4: the antisemitism crisis that's erupted over the past fourteen months.
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Speaker 3: I asked the.
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Speaker 4: Prime Minister's office today if he recognized his remarks were insensitive,
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Speaker 4: and I asked for a comment. The Prime Minister's office
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Speaker 4: said they did not believe it was an accurate reflection
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Speaker 4: of the conversation, but the comments were instantly shocking to
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Speaker 4: the prominent Jewish leaders, and they remarked on them immediately
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Speaker 4: to others present. But this was Albanesi's instinctive sentiment to
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Speaker 4: talk about how tough the Arabic community was feeling when
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Speaker 4: our country is in the grips of an anti Semitism crisis.
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Speaker 4: It's similar to his ministers who, even after the fire bombing,
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Speaker 4: can't stop talking about Islamophobia.
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Speaker 1: So be it any Semitism or Islamophobia.
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Speaker 3: And Islamophobia is unacceptable.
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Speaker 5: If James Patterson thinks he's no as Lamophobia in Australia,
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Speaker 5: he's wrong.
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Speaker 4: As we spoke about last night, Alberanizi also was caught
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Speaker 4: on tape saying he was going to make the Jewish
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Speaker 4: community even more upset. It seems he was referring to
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Speaker 4: another anti Israel vote at the United Nations which took
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Speaker 4: place overnight. The UN vote demanded that Israel reverse its
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Speaker 4: bound on UNRA despite its proven links to terrorism. Shutou
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Speaker 4: Home Affairs Minister James Patterson told me today that this
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Speaker 4: was reckless and irresponsible.
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Speaker 6: The truth is no Australian taxpayer dollars should be going
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Speaker 6: to an organization that admits itself it employed terrorist that
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Speaker 6: is exactly what the Albanzi has done. The Albaneta government
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Speaker 6: has done. This just continues the insults from the Albaneta
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Speaker 6: government to Israel and the Jewish community over the last week,
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Speaker 6: which also included Pennywong's inflammatory and irresponsible speech on Tuesday
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Speaker 6: night in which she compared to Israel to Russia and China.
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Speaker 6: And this is all the more reckless and irresponsible given
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Speaker 6: we are now in the middle of an anti Jewish
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Speaker 6: terror crisis in Australia.
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Speaker 4: The UN vote also demanded an unconditional and immediate ceasefire. Well,
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Speaker 4: there can't be an unconditional ceasefire. You can't have a
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Speaker 4: ceasefire if her Muss is still in power or if
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Speaker 4: the hostages haven't been brought home. Patterson says this would
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Speaker 4: only see the return of the terror group her Muss,
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Speaker 4: and that the Albanezi government is clearly putting their own
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Speaker 4: political interest ahead of the national interest.
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Speaker 6: We voted to support an immediate ceasefire without any caveats
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Speaker 6: at all, and the effective that would be for her
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Speaker 6: Mus to remain in charge in Gaza. It will allow
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Speaker 6: her Must to regroup and recontrol Garza again, where it
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Speaker 6: would again subject to people of Gaza to misery and
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Speaker 6: from where they could again launch strikes against the Israeli
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Speaker 6: people and the Israeli government.
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Speaker 4: Voting to effectively allow a terrorist group to remain in
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Speaker 4: power is an insane proposition from a morally corrupt government,
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Speaker 4: a government that pretends to care about anti Semitism, but
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Speaker 4: at the same time continues its campaign of aggression against Israel,
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Speaker 4: a campaign that has only emboldened the haters and contributed
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Speaker 4: to the rise of due hatred in our beautiful country.
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Speaker 3: Well, as I.
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Speaker 4: Said, it's my final show of the year, and it
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Speaker 4: is a big one. I've got an exclusive interview with
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Speaker 4: United States Congressman Brad Weinstrap on his investigation into the
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Speaker 4: origins of COVID. That's coming up later. Economist Judith Sloan
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Speaker 4: will also join me live to slam government spending. Plus
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Speaker 4: Justin Quill, a top lawyer, will break down the findings
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Speaker 4: against John Pisuto after Moiray Deeming's win today. Jemma Tognini
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Speaker 4: Gary Hargrave also on the program. But now let's bring
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Speaker 4: in National Senator Matt Canavan and Perth Met Basil Zemplus.
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Speaker 4: Welcome to you both, Matt and Basil. Look you just
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Speaker 4: saw that shocking footage then it is quite scary to watch,
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Speaker 4: and we timed it precisely. This is the footage that
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Speaker 4: the police have obtained from inside the synagogue, thirty seven
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Speaker 4: seconds Matt between the moment a worshiper was in that
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Speaker 4: room and when it was engulfed in flames.
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Speaker 7: Well, it can just be thankful, Shari that no one
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Speaker 7: was hurt or injured from these shocking events in Australia
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Speaker 7: has shocked the country. I mean, in the space of
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Speaker 7: a year we've had a bishop stabbed giving during a
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Speaker 7: sermon and now these attacks on the Jewish community. Very
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Speaker 7: sad to see a country divide in this way, and
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Speaker 7: I think it is an obligation all our leaders and
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Speaker 7: political leaders to try and unite Australians and be with
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Speaker 7: them at times of these kinds of troubles. It's good
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Speaker 7: to see the promise to finally do that. It's been
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Speaker 7: a bit belated, but look, we've just got to stop
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Speaker 7: trying to pit Australians against Australians. The vast majority of
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Speaker 7: Australians do want to get along. There's obviously a small
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Speaker 7: minority among us that are trying to cause us to
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Speaker 7: divide ourselves, divide against each other. But what we've got
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Speaker 7: to do is bring those perpetrators to justice, find who
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Speaker 7: these people are, make them account for the full account
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Speaker 7: of the law. And then otherwise we've got to get
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Speaker 7: together as all Australians, all different faiths. We're very lucky
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Speaker 7: to be in this country, and I think one of
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Speaker 7: the things that makes is such a harmonious and prosperous
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Speaker 7: country over time is that we've generally been able to
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Speaker 7: leave a century's long ethnic conflicts to other parts of
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Speaker 7: the world. We're very lucky here in this country that
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Speaker 7: we don't have generational co inflick of any great note
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Speaker 7: and long mate stay.
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Speaker 4: That way, Well, it's not staying that way anymore. It
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Speaker 4: hasn't stayed that way for the past fourteen months. But
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Speaker 4: I agree it was up until that point largely safe
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Speaker 4: and free of racism.
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Speaker 3: Basil.
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Speaker 4: I want to get your reaction, and let's play them
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Speaker 4: again now those foot that footage from inside the synagogue, Basil,
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Speaker 4: what was your reaction when you saw just how close
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Speaker 4: that worshiper came to being engulfed in flames, and also
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Speaker 4: that extraordinary footage of the arsonists going back and forth
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Speaker 4: with the red jerry can and you can see, you know,
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Speaker 4: the black covering.
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Speaker 3: Over their face.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely horrific, isn't it. And as Matt has just said,
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Speaker 2: how lucky we all are that the clash of times,
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Speaker 2: the lighting of those explosives and that worshiper leaving that
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Speaker 2: place of worship didn't just coincide that tiny bit closer,
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Speaker 2: because we know what would have happened. What we also
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Speaker 2: know is this was a person and people intend on
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Speaker 2: the stry junction. It was a crime fueled by hate.
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Speaker 2: It's unnecessary, it's not what we like in our country.
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Speaker 2: We want it stamped out and we want the message
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Speaker 2: about it being stamped out to be very clear and
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Speaker 2: to be coming from the very top. And as Matt
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Speaker 2: has said quite correctly, the Prime Minister is in and
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Speaker 2: on now, but it has taken some time and these
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Speaker 2: messages need to be clear, they need to be concise,
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Speaker 2: and they need to be immediate, that this sort of
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Speaker 2: behavior will never be tolerated in our country.
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Speaker 4: And you know, and we can keep looking at this footage,
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Speaker 4: it is just utterly extraordinary. But while the Prime Minister
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Speaker 4: was yesterday responding to this terror attack and the rise
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Speaker 4: in anti Semitism.
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Speaker 3: I reported on the show last.
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Speaker 4: Night that an Australian Auschwitz survivor turning one hundred had
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Speaker 4: wanted her whole family to join her for the celebrations,
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Speaker 4: but that Tony Burk's department had introduced a hostile What
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Speaker 4: was sending Israeli is this hostile questionnaire where they were
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Speaker 4: asked if they'd committed war crimes and to detail their
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Speaker 4: military service, which in Israeli is compulsory. Now, last night,
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Speaker 4: two of the Burger family had not been able to
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Speaker 4: enter the country. The twenty one year old great granddaughter
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Speaker 4: flew back home after her week's leave was up and
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Speaker 4: the visa still not through. She might never get to
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Speaker 4: see her one hundred year old grandmother, Holocaust survivor again.
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Speaker 3: But now, in good news.
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Speaker 4: Thanks to our coverage on the show last night, the
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Speaker 4: government is now allowing the relative who's been stranded in
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Speaker 4: Thailand for two weeks to come to Australia. Matt, this
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Speaker 4: is pretty outrageous though, to ask family members of Holocaust
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Speaker 4: survivors if they've committed war crimes.
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Speaker 8: Yeah.
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Speaker 7: Look, I don't know a lot about this case apart
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Speaker 7: from what's being reported. I have to deal with many
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Speaker 7: of these types of cases that come to me from
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Speaker 7: time to time. Normally you get a very sensible response
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Speaker 7: when they're raised, and congratulations for you to helping out
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Speaker 7: this this family. In this instance, there does seem to
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Speaker 7: be something a little bit strange about these questions. Obviously,
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Speaker 7: I support a strong border protection regime and I support
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Speaker 7: our authorities asking appropriate questions about who wants to come
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Speaker 7: to this country and make sure it's safe for all
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Speaker 7: of us for them to enter here. No one that's
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Speaker 7: not Australian has a right to enter our country. They
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Speaker 7: have a default right to do that. And always mention
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Speaker 7: that to people who want special treatment. But yeah, there's
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Speaker 7: something strange about these questions, if that's true. So some
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Speaker 7: questions I think need to be answered about exactly what
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Speaker 7: the processes are in place for members of the defense
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Speaker 7: force from Israel. Maybe there is need for some questions
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Speaker 7: when there are members of defense forces from other countries
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Speaker 7: coming to our country. But it seemed a little strange.
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Speaker 4: It's not just strange, this is outright aggression from the
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Speaker 4: Alban Eazy government. Military services compulsory for all young people
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Speaker 4: in Israel. There's no other way for Israel to defend
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Speaker 4: its nation when it comes under existential threat from terrorists
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Speaker 4: on seven fronts. You know, I reported last night Israelis
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Speaker 4: who've gone back and forth from Australia for work on
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Speaker 4: now having to deal with these hostile questions. We know
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Speaker 4: Tony Burke his entire career has been a pro Palestinian politician,
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Speaker 4: like the Prime Minister. I mean, this is a good
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Speaker 4: outcome for this Auschwitz survivor's great grandson thanks to our reporting,
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Speaker 4: But what about everyone else? And we can't raise every
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Speaker 4: case on this show, Basil.
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Speaker 2: No, that's a very good point, and again, yes, well
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Speaker 2: done to you and your team for highlighting this. I
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Speaker 2: think what we want in these situations is consistency. We
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Speaker 2: want the same rules and interrogation for everybody. Nobody should
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Speaker 2: be interrogated more than anybody else, but nobody should be
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Speaker 2: interrogated less than anybody else. And if you serve any
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Speaker 2: armed forces from another nation anywhere in the world, it
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Speaker 2: is fair enough that some questions will be asked, that
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Speaker 2: information is important for that nonsense.
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Speaker 4: When Australian veterans. When Australian veterans go to America, we
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Speaker 4: do not expect to be asked if they've committed war crimes.
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Speaker 4: That is just rubbish.
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Speaker 7: But question to decide the rules in this country. I mean,
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Speaker 7: it's our country. It's not America. It's our country. If
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Speaker 7: I don't know enough about it, we had.
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Speaker 3: Veterans from America.
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Speaker 4: We're not selling them questions about whether they've committed very strict.
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Speaker 7: Border protection rules, and I support them.
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Speaker 3: This isn't about border protection.
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Speaker 4: And this as a double standard as well, because the
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Speaker 4: Aminezy government rushed in nearly three thousand visas for Palestinians,
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Speaker 4: no security checks at all, some granted in as little
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Speaker 4: as an hour, and yet innocent, hard working Israelis, some
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Speaker 4: who are the grandchildren of Holocaust survivors, others who've been
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Speaker 4: coming back and forth through this country for years and
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Speaker 4: years are now being subject to this interrogation.
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Speaker 3: It's a clear double standard.
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Speaker 4: That shouldn't apply when you've got Jaza, terrorist controlled war
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Speaker 4: zone and you've got Israel, a peaceful, liberal democracy. It's
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Speaker 4: an utter outrage, and I don't know how either of
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Speaker 4: you can sit there and try and defend it up.
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Speaker 7: All I'm saying, Shari, all I'm saying is that we
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Speaker 7: get to decide who comes here. It's our rules that
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Speaker 7: you do. If you're not in Australian you don't have
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Speaker 7: a right to come to this country. I do agree
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Speaker 7: with you that there is something strange there about asking
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Speaker 7: about particular war crimes and what have you. That's I
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Speaker 7: think what needs to get to the bottom of this case.
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Speaker 7: And they may very well be a double standard there,
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Speaker 7: but I very much support, as I say, anybody who
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Speaker 7: comes to me wanting some kind of special access.
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Speaker 3: This isn't about This isn't about a very strict.
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Speaker 7: We have a strict, very strict visa required.
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Speaker 3: This isn't about that.
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Speaker 4: This is a question have you committed war crimes? Have
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Speaker 4: you committed genocide? I read out the questions on here
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Speaker 4: last night. No one else is being asked these questions
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Speaker 4: except for Jewish citizens. This is utterly disgusting. And I
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Speaker 4: have to say to you all the reaction I got
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Speaker 4: from everyone today because this story has gone international, has
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Speaker 4: beene at what's happening. What's happened to the Australian government
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Speaker 4: that it's asking these questions. You know, the reaction hasn't
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Speaker 4: been what you two have expressed tonight.
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Speaker 3: But let's move on to other topics.
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Speaker 2: And Mike, I just say one more thing though, I
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Speaker 2: just say one more thing, and that's why consistency is important.
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Speaker 2: And that's that's my point of view. If you're going
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Speaker 2: to ask anybody who comes in one set of questions,
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Speaker 2: you've got to ask everybody who comes in one set
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Speaker 2: of questions. And we all applauded John Howard when he said,
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Speaker 2: we decide who comes into this country and the circumstances
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Speaker 2: in which they enter. We want to stay consistent and
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Speaker 2: be consistent, and then there are no gray areas.
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Speaker 9: That's the best way forward.
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Speaker 4: And what we've seen here is a hostile policy towards
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Speaker 4: Jews from Israel and rushing in visas for Garzans from
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Speaker 4: a terrorist controlled war zone, where we've reported and shown
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Speaker 4: new evidence on this program and in other media outlets
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Speaker 4: that some have a musciin these.
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Speaker 2: So I think we're a green sharry. We're saying it
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Speaker 2: needs to be consistent. That's what we're saying.
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Speaker 4: Well, not sure we're agreeing. I don't think it needs
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Speaker 4: to be consistent. I think you need strict and strong
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Speaker 4: interrogation from people coming from a terrorist controlled war zone,
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Speaker 4: and I don't think you need that from a liberal democracy.
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Speaker 3: Jews are peaceful people.
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Speaker 4: But let's move on to our unemployment rate. Australia's unemployment
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Speaker 4: rate has fallen to three point nine percent in November,
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Speaker 4: the lowest level since March Matt We've seen some economists
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Speaker 4: warn that the low figure might impact the RBA's decision
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Speaker 4: to cut interest rates.
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Speaker 3: What impact do you think this could have on rates?
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Speaker 7: Well, look, it's probably going to cause the Reserve Bank
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Speaker 7: to at least pause before taking any further action. And
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Speaker 7: while notionally a low unemployment rates good news for people,
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Speaker 7: the reality is that doesn't really directly impact most people
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Speaker 7: in this country, and the pployment rate we're seeing is
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Speaker 7: really a consequence of this government's policy of overheating the
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Speaker 7: economy bringing in a lot more migrants, and really we
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Speaker 7: can sustain right now. They might have those strict border
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Speaker 7: controls on people coming here for birthday celebrations, but they're
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Speaker 7: certainly not being strict for those coming here for longer
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Speaker 7: periods of time and putting pressure on our housing and
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Speaker 7: labor markets. And so that is overheating the economy and
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Speaker 7: causing our interest rates to be higher than they otherwise
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Speaker 7: need to be. If the government were to take some
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Speaker 7: of that heat out of the market control our border
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Speaker 7: a little bit better, control our spending, control the spending
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Speaker 7: of your money a bit better. Then maybe our employment
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Speaker 7: market wouldn't be so hot, but their interest rates would
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Speaker 7: come down. And I think that's what most restraints would
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Speaker 7: like to see right now, and nothing the government is
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Speaker 7: doing right now is helping generate that outcome. If we
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Speaker 7: do see interest rates fall next year, it will be
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Speaker 7: in spite of the Federal government's high spending, high immigration policies,
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Speaker 7: because of anything they've done in particular.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and look, according to at least what the IBA said,
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Speaker 4: you know, there are no immediate forecasts that rates are
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Speaker 4: going to come down. And as we go into Christmas now,
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Speaker 4: the cost of living crisis is such a major concern
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Speaker 4: for families struggling to buy Christmas presents for their kids.
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Speaker 2: Unemployment rates aren't really going to affect people's decision making,
21:25
Speaker 2: are they, And as we get towards March or April
21:28
Speaker 2: or May whenever that election is having just come through,
21:31
Speaker 2: what will be a tough Christmas period for many families
21:35
Speaker 2: around Australia. In the end, people tend to simplify it
21:38
Speaker 2: and they'll walk into the ballot boxes and they'll ask
21:41
Speaker 2: themselves the question, am I better off under labor after
21:45
Speaker 2: the last three years? That's largely what it will come
21:49
Speaker 2: down to. And I think there'll be a great vast
21:52
Speaker 2: number of Australians for whom that answer will be No,
21:55
Speaker 2: I'm not better off now than I was three years ago.
21:58
Speaker 2: And as we know, interest rates they started to go
22:01
Speaker 2: up under Morrison, they kept going up under alban easy,
22:05
Speaker 2: and that's what it may well boil down to now
22:09
Speaker 2: when we go to the polls.
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Speaker 4: Indeed, all right, Matt Canavan, Basil's mplus, thank you both
22:14
Speaker 4: very much for your time.
22:16
Speaker 3: Now let's turn to Labour's latest.
22:18
Speaker 4: Reelection bid to win over voters, in particular parents. Albanese
22:22
Speaker 4: is clearly hoping that childcare, free childcare will get him
22:27
Speaker 4: over the line at the next election. He's pledged to
22:29
Speaker 4: spend a billion dollars on one hundred and sixty new
22:33
Speaker 4: childcare centers and an estimated four hundred and thirty million
22:36
Speaker 4: dollars on subsidies. Will Economist Judith Sloan joins me, now,
22:41
Speaker 4: great to see you again. You write an excellent piece
22:44
Speaker 4: on this exact point. Do you think this is a
22:49
Speaker 4: policy that will help productivity? As we've heard the government
22:53
Speaker 4: argue or do you think this is purely chasing votes.
23:00
Speaker 1: I think absolutely not. So one of the tranches of
23:03
Speaker 1: the changes is to eliminate what's called the activity test.
23:07
Speaker 1: Now at the moment, if parents want to qualify for
23:11
Speaker 1: childcare subsidies, they have to be in work, looking for work,
23:16
Speaker 1: or in educational training or volunteering, right, so that is
23:19
Speaker 1: the activity test. So the proposal is actually to ditch
23:24
Speaker 1: the activity tests so people won't have to do any
23:27
Speaker 1: of those things and yet their children will qualify for
23:31
Speaker 1: the subsidies. Now, that has the absolute reverse effect on productivity.
23:36
Speaker 1: It's bad for the economy. And here's one of the
23:39
Speaker 1: problems that let's say there's only one spot and one
23:43
Speaker 1: of the parents doesn't meet the activity tests and the
23:46
Speaker 1: other does. If the spot is given to the parents
23:49
Speaker 1: that don't meet the activity test, that is definitely a
23:52
Speaker 1: negative for the economy.
23:55
Speaker 4: We've seen comments from the RBA Deputy governor where he's
23:59
Speaker 4: wanted if Trump follows through with his trade sanctions against China,
24:04
Speaker 4: that we could be impacted in Australia because of our
24:07
Speaker 4: exposure to China.
24:09
Speaker 3: What do you think about this?
24:10
Speaker 4: Does this mean that we are too reliant on China
24:13
Speaker 4: for trade. Even though we keep hearing politicians say that
24:16
Speaker 4: we need to diversify.
24:17
Speaker 3: Has that not happened fast enough?
24:22
Speaker 1: Well, look, it's an interesting point. And you know, I
24:25
Speaker 1: think I was a very sort of traditional economist when
24:28
Speaker 1: I was thinking about this, but I'm now of the
24:31
Speaker 1: view that Trump and tariffs is quite a complicated story.
24:35
Speaker 1: So if you think about the trade between Australia and America,
24:40
Speaker 1: that's quite small, right, and in fact we run a deficit.
24:45
Speaker 1: So Trump's very concerned about countries with whom America runs
24:50
Speaker 1: a deficit, but we actually America runs a surplus with US.
24:54
Speaker 1: We send zam agricultural products meet We send quite a
24:58
Speaker 1: lot of what we call mincemeat to America for hamburgers
25:03
Speaker 1: and the like. But it's quite a small thing. So
25:06
Speaker 1: the effect of any big tariff changes would be via China.
25:10
Speaker 1: So China is our largest trading partner by a very
25:13
Speaker 1: long way. So if they impose high tariffs on China,
25:18
Speaker 1: that could easily affect the demand, particularly for the inputs
25:22
Speaker 1: for the for example, the coal and the iron ore
25:28
Speaker 1: that we supply to China. So that is a sort
25:31
Speaker 1: of indirect effect, but could be very substantial. I've always
25:35
Speaker 1: been interested because the Albanese government I think, feels as
25:39
Speaker 1: though they're proud of re establishing good relationship. They do
25:43
Speaker 1: because you know, they had imposed Yeah, but they had
25:45
Speaker 1: imposed some tariffs on our Bali and wine and with
25:49
Speaker 1: it lobsters or something, Whereas I thought that was actually
25:53
Speaker 1: a good chance for us to try and diversify. But
25:57
Speaker 1: they're kind of giving themselves the big tear for re
26:00
Speaker 1: establishing those trade channels, whereas, in fact, I think it
26:03
Speaker 1: would have been better and I think up to a
26:06
Speaker 1: point it happened in Bali that we were actually able
26:09
Speaker 1: to establish alternative markets. I mean, it's just logical to
26:14
Speaker 1: have a diversified base of countries to which you export,
26:19
Speaker 1: because that's much more protective than relying on one country
26:23
Speaker 1: do and it's really we are. China is our biggest
26:27
Speaker 1: training partner by a.
26:28
Speaker 4: Very long way, it is, indeed, And look, I think
26:32
Speaker 4: it's one thing, it's a good thing that those tariffs
26:34
Speaker 4: have been removed, but to just go back into that
26:37
Speaker 4: cozy relationship where we would once again be subject to
26:42
Speaker 4: their whims if they don't like something Australia says. Just
26:45
Speaker 4: when we stand up and defend our sovereignty. It's a
26:48
Speaker 4: really dangerous place to be. Judah Sloan always love your
26:53
Speaker 4: commentary and of course your columns in The Australian.
26:55
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for joining me well.
26:59
Speaker 4: Victorian Liberal John Persudo is tonight hanging on to his
27:03
Speaker 4: leadership by a threat after sensationally losing the defamation case
27:09
Speaker 4: that Liberal Moira Deeming brought on former Liberal MP Mora Deeming.
27:13
Speaker 3: This is a massive win for Deemi.
27:15
Speaker 4: She took Pursuito to court over allegations that he implied
27:19
Speaker 4: she was a neo Nazi sympathizer after she attended that
27:23
Speaker 4: women's rally last year where she was just defending women's
27:27
Speaker 4: rights and it was gate.
27:29
Speaker 3: Crashed by neo Nazis.
27:31
Speaker 4: Pursuito has now been ordered to pay her three hundred
27:33
Speaker 4: thousand dollars in damages and he's now vowing to stay
27:37
Speaker 4: on despite the fact that there were adverse findings made
27:41
Speaker 4: against him in the judgment and it's clear to many
27:46
Speaker 4: that he has to go. Let's bring in now partner
27:49
Speaker 4: at major law firm Thompson gear justin quil justin great
27:52
Speaker 4: to see you now. Tell us what you thought were
27:55
Speaker 4: the key comments from the judge about why Pursuito lost
27:59
Speaker 4: this case.
28:02
Speaker 10: Ultimately, his honor didn't really believe that the facts that
28:07
Speaker 10: mister Pursudo said underpinned his opinion and his government discussion
28:14
Speaker 10: and his public interest offenses. That he just didn't accept
28:19
Speaker 10: that those facts were accurate or reasonable. So I really
28:23
Speaker 10: had to do with things like whether or not these
28:26
Speaker 10: neo Nazis attended the rally. You know, what was the
28:29
Speaker 10: definition of the rally? And was their presence nearby enough
28:35
Speaker 10: to say they attended the Rallian wasn't enough to say
28:39
Speaker 10: that she organized the rally. So there were the facts
28:43
Speaker 10: like these that hiss onor just said, mister Pursudo really
28:47
Speaker 10: got wrong. And once the if you're like the substratum
28:52
Speaker 10: or the basis for the opinion, etc. Was wrong, that
28:56
Speaker 10: the facts were wrong underpinning that opinion, then you were
29:00
Speaker 10: that defense. So that was really the key. It's a
29:03
Speaker 10: long judgment, two or three hundred pages, so it's hard
29:06
Speaker 10: to cut, you know, condense it into a sentence or two.
29:09
Speaker 10: But that's probably about as summarized as you can get.
29:14
Speaker 4: Look, this was also quite a group in case because
29:17
Speaker 4: there were two high profile barristers sucrasound Throw and Matt Collins.
29:22
Speaker 4: They were taking each other on over this case, you
29:25
Speaker 4: know one Chris sound Through of course was representing Murray
29:28
Speaker 4: Deeming and Matt Collins representing John Persuto.
29:31
Speaker 3: So this was closely watched.
29:33
Speaker 4: John Persuto has been ordered to pay three hundred k
29:35
Speaker 4: and damages, but it could end up being a lot
29:38
Speaker 4: more than that.
29:40
Speaker 10: Yeah, well, no doubt in terms of the barristers.
29:44
Speaker 4: Going at it.
29:45
Speaker 10: This was definitely a heavyweight about, no question about that.
29:50
Speaker 10: Sircro Santos well known to People's got quite a high profile.
29:54
Speaker 10: She quite happy to take that profile and quite happy
29:57
Speaker 10: to chase that profile. And as she's well known, and
30:02
Speaker 10: she's certainly a good barrister, very very well regarded barrister.
30:06
Speaker 10: She had a few good wins. I suspect this might
30:09
Speaker 10: be her biggest and best win. So you had her
30:12
Speaker 10: on one side of the fence, but a lesser known
30:15
Speaker 10: but I think probably more highly regarded barrister on the
30:19
Speaker 10: other side, as doctor Matt Collins.
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Speaker 4: Oh, come on, justin you're getting what are you saying here?
30:25
Speaker 3: Taking signs about who's a better barrister?
30:30
Speaker 10: Absolutely, But one thing they both charged very well, Charry
30:35
Speaker 10: and say.
30:36
Speaker 4: Matt Collins is the better barrister, and he just lost
30:39
Speaker 4: this case.
30:39
Speaker 3: I don't want to get into legal wars.
30:41
Speaker 10: But he just it's only one case. You've got to
30:45
Speaker 10: judge barristers by more than one case. But look probably
30:47
Speaker 10: two me and me and bucksworth of cost in this
30:51
Speaker 10: and so he's going to be pursued. I could be
30:54
Speaker 10: up for about one point seven million with you, my guess,
30:58
Speaker 10: plus the three undred damages, which talking about two million
31:01
Speaker 10: dollars in costs and damages. It's going to be a
31:04
Speaker 10: very hefty.
31:05
Speaker 7: Bill for him.
31:06
Speaker 4: I should also just mention, just to disclose all conflicts
31:09
Speaker 4: here that you were representing your phone was representing Channel
31:12
Speaker 4: ten when Sukrasound three was representing Lisa Wilkinson, and there
31:15
Speaker 4: was a bit of a bit of a battle going
31:17
Speaker 4: on there over various issues, including costs of the Bruce
31:22
Speaker 4: Loman defamation case. So all sorts of angles here, justin quill,
31:26
Speaker 4: appreciate your time, all right.
31:30
Speaker 3: The last thing I need is to.
31:31
Speaker 4: Get myself in the middle of a war between barristers.
31:34
Speaker 4: One thing I don't need, all right, still to come
31:36
Speaker 4: my interview with United States Representative Brad Wenstrap after his
31:41
Speaker 4: committee found that COVID did in fact leak from a
31:44
Speaker 4: Chinese lab. But plus the Albaneze government goes to war
31:48
Speaker 4: with Mark Zuckerberg forcing social media companies to pay.
31:51
Speaker 3: For out journalism.
31:52
Speaker 4: That's about time I'll discuss that with my panel Jemmy
31:55
Speaker 4: Tognini and Gary Hargrave a little later.
32:02
Speaker 3: Welcome back. Well.
32:03
Speaker 4: After a two year investigation, the United States House Select
32:06
Speaker 4: Committee on COVID nineteen has released a wide, raging final
32:10
Speaker 4: report into the origins of the virus, which surprise, surprise,
32:14
Speaker 4: concluded that COVID most likely leaked from a lab in
32:18
Speaker 4: Wuhan during the pandemic. The possibility of a lab leak,
32:21
Speaker 4: as you know, was slammed as a conspiracy, denounced by
32:24
Speaker 4: the left and even censored by big tech, and my
32:27
Speaker 4: reporting was the target of the likes of the ABC
32:31
Speaker 4: and others, even though the mounting evidence as we investigated
32:36
Speaker 4: was clear. Well, there needs to be more accountability for
32:39
Speaker 4: the likes of Anthony Fauci. It's a point the United
32:42
Speaker 4: States Representative Brad Weinstrup agreed with.
32:45
Speaker 3: When I spoke with him earlier.
32:48
Speaker 4: Brad Weinstrup, thank you so much for your time. The
32:51
Speaker 4: COVID Select Committee confirmed that the most likely origin of
32:55
Speaker 4: the pandemic was a lab leak from gain of function research.
32:59
Speaker 4: What was the strongest evidence you found pointing to this outcome, Well,
33:04
Speaker 4: it was more than.
33:04
Speaker 8: Just one thing. It was really a long list of
33:07
Speaker 8: forensics that would point towards lab lak. Let's just start
33:11
Speaker 8: with one. We never found an animal in nature and
33:14
Speaker 8: the one article that was written about it coming from
33:18
Speaker 8: nature where was written by people that under in their
33:22
Speaker 8: private emails they were saying, this thing looks engineered. Yet
33:26
Speaker 8: because they were involved with gain and function research, I
33:29
Speaker 8: believe that's why they wanted to steer towards a nature
33:33
Speaker 8: situation or try to claim that it came from nature.
33:36
Speaker 8: All the time that they were talking amongst themselves, they
33:39
Speaker 8: were saying things like, our focus is to disprove the
33:42
Speaker 8: lablak theory. But look, the research that was being done
33:45
Speaker 8: by EcoHealth alliance with US government funding was gain of
33:49
Speaker 8: function research where they wanted to use back backbones along
33:54
Speaker 8: with what's called receptor binding domain from other animals such
33:58
Speaker 8: as a pangolin, and that out if you're in cleavage site,
34:01
Speaker 8: which is exactly what you could do to try and
34:03
Speaker 8: create COVID nineteen and reverse engineer in the lab but
34:07
Speaker 8: you look at all the other things that took place
34:10
Speaker 8: in China. For example, they destroyed the sequences. They did
34:14
Speaker 8: not want any of that information to get out. They
34:17
Speaker 8: didn't let scientists come in. They said that everything was
34:20
Speaker 8: under control, but it was, and they had people get
34:22
Speaker 8: sick in twenty nineteen that worked in the labs with
34:25
Speaker 8: symptoms consistent with COVID nineteen. They changed their ventilation system
34:29
Speaker 8: and they moved their military in. Look, let me take
34:32
Speaker 8: it a step further. They have talked about a coronavirus
34:35
Speaker 8: bioweapons program for some time. Our own state department talked
34:38
Speaker 8: about it in two thousand and five. In twenty fifteen
34:41
Speaker 8: they put out a book talking about coronaviruses as a bioweapon.
34:46
Speaker 8: There are so many indicators around Wuhan and associated.
34:51
Speaker 9: With very dangerous research.
34:53
Speaker 8: The people that seemed to say they wanted it, wanted
34:56
Speaker 8: to say that it came from nature, were very people
34:59
Speaker 8: that for a day eight or two, we're advocating for
35:02
Speaker 8: this type of research and even though they knew it
35:04
Speaker 8: was risky. In twenty twelve, doctor Anthony Fauci was asked
35:08
Speaker 8: about this, and I believe it was in printed and
35:11
Speaker 8: Weekend Australia where they were asked. They asked him, aren't
35:15
Speaker 8: you concerned about this getting out of a lab in
35:18
Speaker 8: creating a pandemic? And his response was he felt that
35:21
Speaker 8: the benefits outweigh the risk. There's just too many forensics
35:24
Speaker 8: that lead to this, and we have five hundred and
35:27
Speaker 8: twenty pages of documentation of interviews, of transcribed interviews, subpoena documents.
35:36
Speaker 8: We looked at a lot of things and we definitely
35:40
Speaker 8: did a thorough job, especially in the last couple of years,
35:43
Speaker 8: but really we've been investigating this for a good five years.
35:46
Speaker 4: Brad, do you expect there might be criminal referrals now
35:50
Speaker 4: and if so, for who?
35:52
Speaker 8: Well, some of the criminal referrals were made because people
35:56
Speaker 8: were saying things under oath in front of Congress that
36:00
Speaker 8: did not prove to be true, and once we got
36:03
Speaker 8: fur their evidence, that's some of it. But I think
36:06
Speaker 8: there's definitely should be some outcry amongst the public and
36:11
Speaker 8: from the scientific community for people that were misleading. We're
36:15
Speaker 8: squelching scientific information that we're trying to fight against an
36:19
Speaker 8: open debate of where this virus may have come from,
36:23
Speaker 8: and it seems that the people that were doing that
36:25
Speaker 8: had a motive because they had personal interest and gain
36:29
Speaker 8: of function research, and I don't think we even need
36:32
Speaker 8: to do gain to function research. I think through artificial
36:35
Speaker 8: intelligence we can do a lot of predicting of what
36:37
Speaker 8: might evolve in nature rather than just creating pathogens in
36:41
Speaker 8: the lab.
36:42
Speaker 4: There's still a significant amount of intelligence relating to this
36:45
Speaker 4: topic that hasn't been declassified. Do you expect there'll be
36:49
Speaker 4: an effort similar to the Twitter files to make some
36:52
Speaker 4: of this public?
36:55
Speaker 8: You know absolutely. I stood on the Intelligence Committee, and
36:57
Speaker 8: that's really where my work began before where we have
37:00
Speaker 8: the Select subcommittee on the pandemic. John Radcliffe was Director
37:05
Speaker 8: of National Intelligence throughout a lot of the pandemic. He
37:09
Speaker 8: and I talked regularly. I will tell you that the
37:12
Speaker 8: report that we put out is a unclassified version, and
37:16
Speaker 8: yes there are things further that are classified right now,
37:20
Speaker 8: and a lot of it I don't think needs to
37:22
Speaker 8: be classified, and we should be able to get it
37:24
Speaker 8: out for the world to know, in the world to see,
37:27
Speaker 8: and especially the American public.
37:30
Speaker 4: But what about the idea of some sort of Twitter
37:32
Speaker 4: files project. Do you think we should have something like
37:35
Speaker 4: that with the intelligence agencies? Given there is so much
37:38
Speaker 4: more evidence relating to the origin of COVID nineteen and
37:42
Speaker 4: we know there was censorship, we know there was a
37:44
Speaker 4: cover up. So do you think an effort like this
37:46
Speaker 4: needs to happen now?
37:48
Speaker 8: I think from the Intelligence Committee right now in the
37:51
Speaker 8: House of Representatives, that is still happening, So we're not
37:55
Speaker 8: dropping it. The Select Subcommittee is finished, and again that's unclassified,
38:00
Speaker 8: but on the classified side, we're continuing to work and
38:03
Speaker 8: there are some investigations that we're still in the process of.
38:07
Speaker 4: Just finally under a Trump administration. Do you think there'll
38:10
Speaker 4: be some accountability for Anthony Fauci.
38:15
Speaker 8: I think there'll definitely be some revelations of the things
38:18
Speaker 8: that happen. I hope there is. I mean, there has
38:20
Speaker 8: to be accountability, you know, or at least acknowledgment. I mean,
38:23
Speaker 8: let me just give you a simple example of something
38:26
Speaker 8: that doctor Fauci said during the pandemic. He said, if
38:29
Speaker 8: you get the vaccine, it's a dead end for the virus.
38:33
Speaker 8: Those are his words. That was not true, That was
38:36
Speaker 8: deceptive to the American people. We knew from the trials
38:39
Speaker 8: on these vaccines that you could still get COVID. Most
38:42
Speaker 8: people didn't get as sick, but people were still getting
38:45
Speaker 8: it and dying. And so those are the types of
38:48
Speaker 8: irresponsible statements that were being made from public health officials.
38:52
Speaker 8: And you know what, I know that when the United
38:54
Speaker 8: States is saying one thing, the rest of the world
38:56
Speaker 8: is listening to. What there be is what is being said.
38:59
Speaker 8: We have also in our report a construct for what
39:03
Speaker 8: it should look like going forward. We can't rely on
39:05
Speaker 8: the who, we can't rely on China. We have to
39:08
Speaker 8: have capabilities ourselves. We have to be able to have
39:11
Speaker 8: surveillance around the world and put that to good use.
39:15
Speaker 8: And we have to be able to we get through
39:18
Speaker 8: this in a way that the American people can trust it.
39:21
Speaker 8: We have to get it out of the realm of politics.
39:24
Speaker 8: And I've said from the very beginning of the pandemic
39:27
Speaker 8: that in America, the Americans wanted to be hearing from
39:30
Speaker 8: doctors that were treating COVID patients, not the politician and
39:34
Speaker 8: not the person in the lab. How about the person
39:37
Speaker 8: that could walk out and say, here's what we saw today.
39:40
Speaker 8: These people are dying, they have these comorbidities. Here's who's
39:43
Speaker 8: not dying. Here's what seems to be working as far
39:45
Speaker 8: as treatment, Here's what doesn't work. That would have gone
39:48
Speaker 8: so much better from the realm of public health and
39:51
Speaker 8: for that matter, of global health, and there has to
39:54
Speaker 8: be a change and we've made those recommendations and changes
39:57
Speaker 8: at the.
39:58
Speaker 6: End of our report.
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Speaker 4: Brad, I really appreciate your time today and I have
40:03
Speaker 4: to thank you enormously for your focus and attention to
40:06
Speaker 4: this very impotted issue.
40:09
Speaker 8: Thank you for your diligence on this issue, because I
40:12
Speaker 8: know that you sometimes were publicly being harassed for you
40:15
Speaker 8: just seeking the truth.
40:18
Speaker 4: All right, coming up after the break, Rupert Murdoch pays
40:21
Speaker 4: a visit to the Adas Synagogue. I'll show you photographs
40:24
Speaker 4: of that emotional tour and will Peter Dutton's plan to
40:28
Speaker 4: unify Australia under one flag apply to the harbor Bridge.
40:33
Speaker 4: Gemma Tognini and Gary Hargrave will join me after this
40:36
Speaker 4: quick break. All right, let's bring in now tonight's panel
40:42
Speaker 4: GT Communications founder Gemma Tognini and Skynes's contributor Gary Hargrave.
40:47
Speaker 3: Great to see you both.
40:48
Speaker 4: Well, let's talk about Peter Dutton's proposal to just have
40:52
Speaker 4: one flag. He copped a bit of a grilling on
40:55
Speaker 4: Sunrise from it this morning.
40:56
Speaker 11: Have a look, you're going to get rid of it
41:00
Speaker 11: on the Harbor Bridge too.
41:01
Speaker 3: According to Jacenter Prance, is.
41:02
Speaker 6: That what you can do.
41:03
Speaker 12: I want practical reconciliation. I want kids in Alice Springs
41:06
Speaker 12: to live in a safe environment, to have a good
41:07
Speaker 12: health system and going on and go to school.
41:09
Speaker 6: I'm going to take it up the city.
41:11
Speaker 12: We'll work with the state governments and obviously the state
41:14
Speaker 12: government has made a decision to put the flag up there.
41:16
Speaker 11: Would you like to see the indigenous flag remove from
41:19
Speaker 11: the Sydney Harbor Bridge.
41:20
Speaker 12: I think it's an issue for the state government.
41:24
Speaker 4: Jemma Dunnan has been cubbing backlash over this move.
41:27
Speaker 3: What do you think.
41:29
Speaker 11: I think one thing you can say about Peter Dutton
41:31
Speaker 11: is that he's a person of conviction and when this
41:35
Speaker 11: story came out, I was like, well, that's an odd
41:36
Speaker 11: thing to talk about at this time. But look, I
41:39
Speaker 11: take his point about tokenism.
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Speaker 3: So the same people who.
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Speaker 11: Are jumping up and down about this flag being on
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Speaker 11: the bridge or not being on the bridge, or being
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Speaker 11: behind him as a Prime Minister, or not being when
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Speaker 11: are they talking about DV in the Northern Territory.
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Speaker 3: When are they talking.
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Speaker 11: About systemic disadvantage in the indigenous community.
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Speaker 3: Oh that's right.
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Speaker 11: The progressive left in the Labor Party don't do that
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Speaker 11: anymore since they lost the always because the Prime Minister
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Speaker 11: set the time when he said not my loss, not
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Speaker 11: my problem and moved on. So we can walk into
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Speaker 11: gum except we can't. And I think the focus is
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Speaker 11: on the wrong things. So for me it's a non event.
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Speaker 11: I couldn't care less personally. But I also think he
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Speaker 11: makes some really really valid points, Gary, what do you reckon?
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Speaker 10: Well?
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Speaker 9: Look, if he ever does a bridge climb, I hope
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Speaker 9: they take it down because he doesn't want to be
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Speaker 9: photographed with it behind him. But look, Jem's right.
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Speaker 6: In the end.
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Speaker 9: The whole idea is the Australian national flag represents everybody.
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Speaker 9: It doesn't matter. Your religion doesn't matter, but your race
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Speaker 9: doesn't matter, whether you've been here for eight generations or
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Speaker 9: eight eight thousand years. I mean seriously, that is the
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Speaker 9: flag under which tens of millions of people have subscribed
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Speaker 9: to the business of Australia by becoming citizens. And January
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Speaker 9: twenty six every year for a lot of Australians it
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Speaker 9: is the anniversary of when they score allegiance to US.
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Speaker 9: And January twenty six is more than Captain Philip arriving
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Speaker 9: in Sydney Cove in seven. This is a very solemn
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Speaker 9: day for Australia and the Australian flag is at the
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Speaker 9: heart of it. I've watched refugees kiss that flag because
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Speaker 9: they're allowed to be part of our country. They've become citizens,
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Speaker 9: So I think it's demeaning to them, divisy. If we
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Speaker 9: don't need any more division, one flag, one country, let's
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Speaker 9: get on with it.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I feel strongly about Australia Day as well.
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Speaker 4: I think we all should have a day where we
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Speaker 4: can celebrate this incredible country that we live in and
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Speaker 4: we need to defend that because we have a lot
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Speaker 4: to be grateful for and we are constantly fighting for
43:32
Speaker 4: it to remain a good country as we should well.
43:35
Speaker 4: Rupert Murdoch has paid an emotional visit today to the
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Speaker 4: Adas Israel Synagogue in Melbourne, where he witnessed for himself.
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Speaker 4: The devastation here is this is so incredible that he
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Speaker 4: did this that he went to see it for himself.
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Speaker 4: He's there with my colleague Andrew Bolt beside him.
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Speaker 3: Gemma, this is leadership, isn't it. Of course it's leadership
43:57
Speaker 3: from a media company.
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Speaker 11: I mean the thing that has staggered me most about
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Speaker 11: not just what the aftermath of this terror attack, but
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Speaker 11: since October seven, it's almost been a reluctance from the
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Speaker 11: federal government to admit it.
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Speaker 3: It's like this.
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Speaker 11: Consistent oh it's not that bad, or Israel like this
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Speaker 11: victim blaming and then of course the Prime minister's priority
44:19
Speaker 11: is on full displayed. Rather stay in Perth on the
44:21
Speaker 11: beers with his donors and then stay for another day
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Speaker 11: and play tennis, and everyone needs to remember that that
44:27
Speaker 11: was his choice, even knowing what had happened, So it
44:30
Speaker 11: wasn't like he was caught out. It wasn't like with
44:32
Speaker 11: Scott Morrison. He was on holiday with his family. The
44:35
Speaker 11: Prime Minister was only three hours away by plane and
44:38
Speaker 11: fully knew what had happened, but still chose to stay there.
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Speaker 11: And we've seen no leadership from the government despite their
44:45
Speaker 11: late to the party garbage.
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Speaker 3: Over the last couple of days. This is leadership.
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Speaker 11: This is someone who's not a public figure in the
44:51
Speaker 11: sense that when he's not on the public pay roll,
44:53
Speaker 11: he's a private citizen, but as a leader of a
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Speaker 11: media organization, has chosen to go do what journalists do
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Speaker 11: to the scene of the action, see for yourself and
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Speaker 11: bear witness for yourself.
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Speaker 4: And it comes after Lachlan Murdoch made the visit to
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Speaker 4: Israel as well after October seven. Gary, I just want
45:11
Speaker 4: to quickly ask you about another topic that Albanezy government
45:14
Speaker 4: now going to war effectively with big tech, asking the
45:19
Speaker 4: companies to pay for Australian News, for our news content,
45:22
Speaker 4: for our journalism.
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Speaker 3: This is a good move.
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Speaker 1: You know.
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Speaker 4: Social media companies don't pay for journalism.
45:28
Speaker 3: It is expensive.
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Speaker 4: It's about time they started paying for content that they
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Speaker 4: profit off.
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Speaker 9: What do you think, Well, they're looking for a free ride.
45:38
Speaker 9: They think that they can use other people's efforts and
45:40
Speaker 9: make money out of it. It is I think important
45:44
Speaker 9: point of principle. I don't disagree with that at all, Shari,
45:47
Speaker 9: And you know I support those who actually report the
45:50
Speaker 9: news and present the news and put it forward and
45:53
Speaker 9: then distribution goes in many forms. So I get why
45:55
Speaker 9: Facebook think they can make money out of it. But
45:58
Speaker 9: I've got to tell you real lead ship is exactly
46:01
Speaker 9: what you just talked about. You know, you've got to
46:03
Speaker 9: pick a side on these things. And I think the
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Speaker 9: Prime Minister though could be using this particular fight with
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Speaker 9: Meta as a distraction from his failures on leadership on
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Speaker 9: multiple fronts, his failure to work out ethically morally whose
46:16
Speaker 9: side he was on on the whole problem of what's
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Speaker 9: going on in Israel and what happened in Melbourne. So look,
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Speaker 9: let's not be too distracted by it. It is the
46:23
Speaker 9: right move, but let's not forget this other big game
46:27
Speaker 9: that's also going on. Right now.
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Speaker 4: We've actually run out of time for any more debate
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Speaker 4: about this.
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Speaker 3: We'll come back to it, I'm sure in the new year.
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Speaker 4: Gary Hargrave, Jemma Toognini, both of you have a wonderful Christmas.
46:38
Speaker 4: Happy Hearneke, thank you all right, don't go anywhere. Michael
46:42
Speaker 4: Danby will rip into Tony Burke after the break and.
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Speaker 3: My final thoughts on this year.
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Speaker 4: All right, my final guest of the year, former Chair
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Speaker 4: of the Parliamentary Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee, Michael Danby,
46:57
Speaker 4: And Michael, I'm so glad you're on tonight because my
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Speaker 4: guests on this topic earlier in the show we're deeply disappointing,
47:04
Speaker 4: Matt Canavan and Basil Zamplers. So Michael, tell me what
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Speaker 4: you think. Of Tony Burk's decision to subject Israeli's to
47:13
Speaker 4: questions about genocide and war crimes.
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Speaker 5: When we were in Parliament, Tony Burke said to me,
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Speaker 5: never invite me to an Israeli or Jewish function. That's
47:24
Speaker 5: the context for this extraordinary policy of interrogating Israeli tourists.
47:32
Speaker 5: No other democracy is subject to it. So I would
47:35
Speaker 5: make that point to Matt Canaban, and of course China
47:38
Speaker 5: and Russia about who Comrade Wong speaks so much. Their
47:42
Speaker 5: tourists are not interrogated. Nor are the three thousand Gazans
47:48
Speaker 5: inculcated and indoctrinated with decades of hateful UNRA propaganda unless
47:54
Speaker 5: they're referred to asio interrogated before they come into Australia.
47:58
Speaker 5: So you know, Tony Book's persona is key to this.
48:05
Speaker 5: He has a very strong view everything he's doing. I
48:09
Speaker 5: know how calculating Tony Burke is will be within the law,
48:13
Speaker 5: but it's designed to wedge and split the two countries,
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Speaker 5: two democracies, one fighting for its existence against the Seven
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Speaker 5: Front War from all of Irani Iran's proxies. It's designed
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Speaker 5: to split the two countries. That's what it'll do by
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Speaker 5: forcing young tourists to ask questions about their military service, which,
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Speaker 5: as you pointed out, Chari, all of them have to do.
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Speaker 5: It's part of exactly democratic existence in Israel.
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Speaker 4: Exactly exactly part of insuring Israel continues to exist. Michael Danby,
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Speaker 4: thank you for your strong voice throughout the year.
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Speaker 5: Chari, Your boss Rupert Murdock is a meant for doing
48:52
Speaker 5: that today.
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Speaker 4: Conger real means agreed, agreed before we rap, and to
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Speaker 4: you two before we rap for the last time in
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Speaker 4: twenty twenty I just want to say a quick farewell
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Speaker 4: to all of you at home. That's not been an
49:04
Speaker 4: easy year, whether it's cost of living or anti Semitism.
49:08
Speaker 3: Let's hope twenty twenty five is a better year.
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Speaker 4: On these fronts and that it finally sees our hostages
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Speaker 4: brought home. I feel so truly privileged to be able
49:19
Speaker 4: to sit here every night, effectively join you in your
49:22
Speaker 4: homes every night and bring you the news and our
49:25
Speaker 4: breaking stories. I've so appreciated your company, and I also
49:30
Speaker 4: want to send a huge thanks to my incredible team
49:32
Speaker 4: behind the scenes here, executive producer Montanna Duncan, who's always
49:36
Speaker 4: in my ear telling me I have to wrap up
49:37
Speaker 4: interviews other producers Bella MacDonald and Maria Milgate, and before
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Speaker 4: she went and had her gorgeous little baby Asiyah, my
49:45
Speaker 4: former producer Sarah Cazi. Also to our control room directors
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Speaker 4: Peter and Kerry, a big thank you, especially for the
49:52
Speaker 4: sense of humor, and to everyone.
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Speaker 3: Of course at home.
49:55
Speaker 4: Just have it relaxing and most importantly safe holiday. Merry Christmas,
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Speaker 4: Happy Knukah and happy New Year. I look forward to
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Speaker 4: spending twenty twenty five with you here at eight o'clock
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Speaker 4: Monday to Thursday. Have a sensational time, look forward to
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Speaker 4: the busy election year next year. That's it from me
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Speaker 4: for twenty twenty four. And here's Paul Maray