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  Speaker 1: It's thirty eight.
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  Speaker 5: n T In this episode of Disguised Coverage, regular season
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  Speaker 5: NFL football is back. And because regular season NFL football
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  Speaker 5: is back, that means Buffalo Bill's regular season football is back.
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  Speaker 5: And the Bills open up in Week one of the
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  Speaker 5: twenty twenty four NFL season at home against the Arizona Cardinals.
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  Speaker 5: And so in this episode, we will be getting back
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  Speaker 5: into our regular season fom that we hold to here
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  Speaker 5: on the show, where we dive into the critical elements,
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  Speaker 5: matchup pieces however we want to label it that will
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  Speaker 5: determine and decide who wins these games week in and
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  Speaker 5: week out, obviously focusing on scheme and structure, x's and o's,
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  Speaker 5: player evaluations and individual aspects that could get really niche
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  Speaker 5: down in detail or it could be large scale, broad scale.
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  Speaker 5: And to do that in these episodes, I always love
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  Speaker 5: to bring on guests who know ball so we can
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  Speaker 5: chop it up and talkball. And starting now with a
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  Speaker 5: strong guest on this episode and to kick off this
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  Speaker 5: season and to kick off this season, for this episode,
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  Speaker 5: I am joined by mister Jpacosta of sp Nation, who
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  Speaker 5: we started a little late tonight and the reason was
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  Speaker 5: because me and JP were just chopping it up off
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  Speaker 5: air because I just enjoy talking to him because he's awesome.
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  Speaker 5: JP one. Thank you for taking the time too. You're
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  Speaker 5: awesome and I appreciate you coming back. Three. I think
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  Speaker 5: now I think you now have the most appearances on
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  Speaker 5: disguised coverage out of the like, not including people who
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  Speaker 5: operate in the bill's sphere, like people outside of that,
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  Speaker 5: I think you now have. Nate Tye was higher than you,
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  Speaker 5: and you guys were tied after your last appearance. I
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  Speaker 5: now think you've been on the show one more than Tys,
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  Speaker 5: so I believe you're the record holder. I love the
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  Speaker 5: work that you do. You're awesome again, thank you for
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  Speaker 5: taking the time. Welcome the show.
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  Speaker 2: Always a pleasure being on. Tys can have the NFL
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  Speaker 2: credentials and playing at Wisconsin, he can have that.
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  Speaker 1: I run this one. I'm at the top of the
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  Speaker 1: total fall this time. You gotta catch up me now.
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  Speaker 1: But it's so good to have football back.
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  Speaker 2: It feels like I need to go watch some old
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  Speaker 2: NFL review of the old ESPN NFL cat down with
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  Speaker 2: Chris Berman that I need to watch some old ones
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  Speaker 2: kind of get get.
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  Speaker 1: The vibes back.
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  Speaker 5: Juice is going got it.
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  Speaker 1: It's like a smelling sauce. You know it's the soul.
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  Speaker 1: You know. You got to hear the intro music and
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  Speaker 1: you're all of a sudden, I'm pumped. I'm pumped for
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  Speaker 1: football to be back.
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  Speaker 5: Man, college football always like starts it for me. It's
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  Speaker 5: actually like a weird like cause I'm a soccer guy too.
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  Speaker 5: When I know you're a soccer guy, like everything always
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  Speaker 5: starts to get like once soccer starts, I'm excited for soccer.
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  Speaker 5: But then I know, like that also means like like
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  Speaker 5: two weeks until college football, and then college football starts,
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  Speaker 5: and I love college football like you do. And then
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  Speaker 5: it's another like that means the NFL is about to start,
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  Speaker 5: and it's just like this dead on sprint to get
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  Speaker 5: to Labor Day and then usually that weekend after and
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  Speaker 5: it all kicks off, and yeah, I'm pumped for it.
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  Speaker 5: I love your like for when you were talking like oh,
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  Speaker 5: Tys can have this and that. I don't know why.
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  Speaker 5: Maybe it's because I just watch it the other day,
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  Speaker 5: but I got very much like Denzel training Day vibes
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  Speaker 5: towards the end of like here you just live here,
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  Speaker 5: Like I just know why.
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  Speaker 2: I got very I was like, oh, that's right, I
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  Speaker 2: am the cream of the crop. Shout out to Macho Man.
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  Speaker 2: Steam rises to the top. And that's one of my
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  Speaker 2: favorite gifts.
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  Speaker 5: I love that, just like how he was one of
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  Speaker 5: the best in like every facet of being a wrestler,
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  Speaker 5: but just like the creativity to be like, yeah, I'm
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  Speaker 5: gonna bring out these little creamers and I'm might have
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  Speaker 5: them in my hand because you know, the cream rises
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  Speaker 5: to the top. Like actually that he brought the props
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  Speaker 5: and like worked it in.
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  Speaker 1: You know, you got sometimes you got to buy visual evidence,
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  Speaker 1: that's right.
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  Speaker 5: Everybody loves a good visual cue like you have like
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  Speaker 5: a play you have the you know, the whiteboard behind
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  Speaker 5: you drawn up like it helps to have visual cues
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  Speaker 5: to go along with your words. And Macho Man was
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  Speaker 5: tremendously smart when it came to that JP. As we
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  Speaker 5: do here and as you are accustomed to because again
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  Speaker 5: you've been on the show a multitude a multitude of times.
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  Speaker 5: This game we're going to dive into again. Scheme structure.
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  Speaker 5: All the important elements are top three each of us,
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  Speaker 5: your top three, My top three were blind to each
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  Speaker 5: other's answers in terms of you know what we're gonna
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  Speaker 5: give in terms of what we'll decide the game. But
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  Speaker 5: high level for you, where's your head at going into
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  Speaker 5: this game? For the Bills and Cardinals? If you're just
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  Speaker 5: thinking about this game, the first thing that pops into
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  Speaker 5: your head? What comes into your head? Is it something
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  Speaker 5: high level? Is it something Bills related, Cardinals related? What's
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  Speaker 5: the first thing comes into your brain? From a high
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  Speaker 5: level perspective?
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  Speaker 2: From a Bill's perspective, it is one phrase, FAFO f
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  Speaker 2: around it. Find out you think this team is gonna
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  Speaker 2: be a pushover, do not play with these Cardinals.
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  Speaker 1: I think last season without Kyler Murray, it was of course.
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  Speaker 2: Oh Cardinals are kind of a joke because they don't
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  Speaker 2: have their starting quarterback. But once Tyler came back, that
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  Speaker 2: offense really took off and it really started to show
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  Speaker 2: a little bit of what was to come in twenty
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  Speaker 2: twenty four. And now you add I got Marvia Harrison Junior. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that guy, he's pretty good. He's pretty good at that
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  Speaker 2: football thing. But the Cardinals are very They're gonna be
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  Speaker 2: a tough out because they do so much weird stuff,
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  Speaker 2: and we're gonna get into it a little bit, but overall,
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  Speaker 2: this is a great This is a really fun game
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  Speaker 2: to break down, especially because of what the Bills want
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  Speaker 2: to be in twenty twenty four. This feels like this,
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  Speaker 2: This Cardinals team is going to give them a lot
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  Speaker 2: of problems and give them a lot of questions that
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  Speaker 2: the twenty twenty four Bills might have to answer now
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  Speaker 2: so they can be ready for the final exam when
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  Speaker 2: you get the later on in the playoffs.
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  Speaker 5: I love that. I love that. And actually, oh, we
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  Speaker 5: got a super chat like can we stop here? Just
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  Speaker 5: the Tippy Canoe who I tell you every week. I
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  Speaker 5: love the name. It's just so it makes me laugh
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  Speaker 5: every single time. Thank you very much for being here.
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  Speaker 5: Thank you for the super chat. Greatly appreciated. He says,
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  Speaker 5: I'm excited to see our Oh, he's very confident. He says,
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  Speaker 5: I'm excited to see our corners shut down the Cardinals
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  Speaker 5: wideouts and our linebackers take away McBride and the middle
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  Speaker 5: of the field, seeing Rousseau bust. Some domes would be nice.
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  Speaker 5: Go Bills with one, two, three, four, five exclamation points.
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  Speaker 5: I like the confidence. I like where you head is
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  Speaker 5: that it's like similar points. Yeah, I love it so
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  Speaker 5: and again, thank you very much for being here as
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  Speaker 5: you will. And for the super jet, it's greatly appreciated. Sincerely,
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  Speaker 5: it means a lot, thank you. I like the confidence
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  Speaker 5: there from just the tippy canoe, but I do you
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  Speaker 5: and I were talking about it a little bit as
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  Speaker 5: we were talking about a whole bunch of other non
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  Speaker 5: football things before we went live. But this Cardinals team
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  Speaker 5: is They're fun. Like I dove into them untill in July,
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  Speaker 5: just oh because I saw some stat I'm like, that's
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  Speaker 5: what it was. I saw some stat on how good
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  Speaker 5: not even stat I was doing just like work on
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  Speaker 5: sis and James Connor was at the top of like
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  Speaker 5: every running metric, and I was like, I gotta go
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  Speaker 5: and see like what they were doing. And so I'm
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  Speaker 5: watching Cardinals offense stuff and this is like even without
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  Speaker 5: Kyler Murray, their run games got things working. And then
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  Speaker 5: I go to the defensive side of the ball, and
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  Speaker 5: I know they don't have the studs on defense. Although
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  Speaker 5: I think people forgot how good Buddha Baker is just
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  Speaker 5: because the Cardinals have been a wasteland and he's been
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  Speaker 5: banged up. But then what they were doing with Jalen
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  Speaker 5: Thompson and Garrett Williams and what they had on the
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  Speaker 5: back end and showing like the three high safety looks
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  Speaker 5: and like almost like a three three deep but then
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  Speaker 5: like single high shell umbrella and then they're like they're
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  Speaker 5: switching to like Tampa two invert and Robber on the snap,
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  Speaker 5: like all these creative pieces. I'm really disappointed that bj
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  Speaker 5: ol Jalai is hurt this year because I like them
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  Speaker 5: so much coming out of LSU a couple of years ago.
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  Speaker 5: But they're doing creative things defensively that are like fun
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  Speaker 5: from a schematic perspective. They're doing some fun things on
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  Speaker 5: offense that we're gonna dive into, and I just don't
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  Speaker 5: I don't know if it's how impressed I was, maybe
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  Speaker 5: because the bar was so low for me because I
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  Speaker 5: didn't watch a lot of Cardinals tape in season last year,
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  Speaker 5: and so I think like the bar was relatively low
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  Speaker 5: for me, And I don't know if I was so
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  Speaker 5: impressed that it made me like buy more stock in them,
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  Speaker 5: But I just I'm not saying they're gonna be a
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  Speaker 5: playoff team or they're gonna win the division or anything
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  Speaker 5: like that. But last year, the Texans for me were
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  Speaker 5: a team that I thought was going to surprise people.
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  Speaker 5: I didn't think they'd win the division and go to
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  Speaker 5: the playoffs, but I was like, I think the Texans
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  Speaker 5: could win like seven or eight, maybe nine games. Like
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  Speaker 5: I think they're gonna be kind of a tough out
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  Speaker 5: and an annoying team to play against. And I get
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  Speaker 5: a similar vibe from the Cardinals this year, Like, if
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  Speaker 5: you told me the Cardinals won like seven or eight games,
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  Speaker 5: I would buy it and I would believe it. And
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  Speaker 5: even when they lose, I just think they're gonna be
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  Speaker 5: a pain to play against. I really don't think people
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  Speaker 5: understand how creative and fun they were schematically on defense.
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  Speaker 5: Now they're in year two of that they get to
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  Speaker 5: start the year with Buddha instead of having to have
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  Speaker 5: them start like midway through the year like they did
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  Speaker 5: last year. They have kind of an identity despite the
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  Speaker 5: fact they don't have an overwhelming amount of talent, and
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  Speaker 5: then on offense, they really do have a lot of
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  Speaker 5: good individual players and to go along with their sense
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  Speaker 5: of identity and who they are, which really clicked once
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  Speaker 5: Kyler came back last year in Week ten, which again
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  Speaker 5: I'm sure we'll talk about at some point. I really
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  Speaker 5: feel like from a Bill's Week one matchup perspective. People
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  Speaker 5: are underestimating the Cardinals, but even nationally a little bit.
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  Speaker 5: I feel like they're a team that's just gonna be
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  Speaker 5: more of a pain to play against. Like they might
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  Speaker 5: start out like one and six, but I think each
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  Speaker 5: week they'll lose by like four points, Like they're just
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  Speaker 5: gonna be in that game where like in the fourth quarter,
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  Speaker 5: you're like, oh, the Cardinals are only down by three,
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  Speaker 5: Like no matter who they're playing, Like, huh, I just
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  Speaker 5: they just feel like that kind of team to me
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  Speaker 5: on who they are and what they are.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they are going to be the classic. They're they're
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  Speaker 2: gonna be a tough out. They're gonna play really hard.
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  Speaker 2: That was one of the bigger things I found out
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  Speaker 2: watching the Cardinals play, both on live tape and watching back.
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  Speaker 1: They play hard for Jonathan Gannon.
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  Speaker 5: And especially to considering how like he was such a
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  Speaker 5: walking joke for people last year because of how awkward
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  Speaker 5: he was coming on. And then yeah, like watching everybody
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  Speaker 5: like you they were playing with like Clayton Tune at
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  Speaker 5: quarterback last year after they got rid of jobs, and like,
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  Speaker 5: but everybody was grinding even when Kyler wasn't in there
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  Speaker 5: and like they gave him everything they had, which was
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  Speaker 5: impressive to see considering how he was portrayed when he
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  Speaker 5: came in.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Jonathan Gannon quickly turned around his reputation.
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  Speaker 2: I think, of course the videos of him kind of
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  Speaker 2: sounding like a like a new wrestler. You know, he
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  Speaker 2: always had you always had the jobber who comes out
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  Speaker 2: or like introduced himself before like Psycho said or Psycho said,
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  Speaker 2: comes out, and RUH's how accurate.
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  Speaker 1: I was the Jonathan Gannon that we saw.
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  Speaker 2: But now you kind of you've seen this team grow
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  Speaker 2: with him and you've seen them play hard for him.
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  Speaker 2: And I think that's the biggest thing that you can tell,
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  Speaker 2: Like for a first year head coach, you need proof concept,
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  Speaker 2: you need you need you need a foundation.
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  Speaker 1: You need to see the vision. You know, I say
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  Speaker 1: it all the time our first year, the first year
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  Speaker 1: I coach, just.
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  Speaker 2: Just see the vision in the first year. You'll have
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  Speaker 2: to go when when a bunch of games make the playoffs.
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  Speaker 2: You just have to show me that you are building
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  Speaker 2: a foundation, something positive is being built here.
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  Speaker 1: And I think they did that really well.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah that I think it's very well said, Like you
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  Speaker 5: just want proof of life, proof of concept in year one,
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  Speaker 5: especially when you're taking over that team and then Kyler
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  Speaker 5: is hurt, it's very much just like, all right, what
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  Speaker 5: can we kind of get this year? And I think,
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  Speaker 5: just again, I know the record was bad, but despite that,
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  Speaker 5: I think there were some positives and like silver linings
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  Speaker 5: within that. And then you get Marvin Harrison, which is
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  Speaker 5: just a gem kind of falling into your lap based
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  Speaker 5: on the top how the top of the board was
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  Speaker 5: gonna go like and I guess wide receivers don't necessarily
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  Speaker 5: go one anymore based on like qbs and edges and that,
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  Speaker 5: but just like with how the board fell and where
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  Speaker 5: they were him coming to them to pair with Kyler
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  Speaker 5: and McBride and what they already had. And then Paris
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  Speaker 5: Johnson from last year, who I thought he had a
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  Speaker 5: good year as his independent hand usage, because I was
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  Speaker 5: watching a lot of stuff from the back end of
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  Speaker 5: the year when they were playing like Atlanta and San Francisco,
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  Speaker 5: and he's out there like faint in hands and like
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  Speaker 5: punching with this and it's getting chopped and he's bringing
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  Speaker 5: the inside hand and popping like he moves to left
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  Speaker 5: tackle now, but which he's you know, we'll see how
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  Speaker 5: that switch works out for him. But yeah, it's I
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  Speaker 5: think it's gonna be really like just a fun game
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  Speaker 5: if you're not a Bills fan, and if you're not
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  Speaker 5: a Cardinals fan. I just think it's gonna be fun
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  Speaker 5: schematically based on what Arizona was last year and how
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  Speaker 5: they're trying to build upon it this year and go forward.
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  Speaker 5: But then also the Bills within their revamp offensively and
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  Speaker 5: defensively from an on field roster standpoint, also from a
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  Speaker 5: coaching standpoint off the field, it's a really interesting clash
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  Speaker 5: of this kind of feisty team that's trying to become
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  Speaker 5: something in year two and build versus this perennial division
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  Speaker 5: winner and Super Bowl contender who's not in a full
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  Speaker 5: rebuild but doesn't necessarily look as strong as they normally
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  Speaker 5: do on paper. And they're in this revamp with a
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  Speaker 5: lot of potential schematic changes, and these two teams meet
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  Speaker 5: in Week one. It just I think it prevents presents
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  Speaker 5: a really fun Week one matchup schematically, and I think
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  Speaker 5: it's getting lost kind of in like the rest of
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  Speaker 5: the NFL opening week. Like, I think this is really
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  Speaker 5: just a fun game from a football perspective.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're gonna the Cardinal's gonna throw so many different
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  Speaker 2: things at this version of the Bills that, like I said,
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  Speaker 2: they're gonna have to answer some questions early that it
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  Speaker 2: might not look great at first, but you're gonna go back,
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  Speaker 2: like when we're in my week twelve Week thirteen as like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: the Cardinals pose these same problems and here's how they
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  Speaker 2: answered them. How you're looking at this game in week one,
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  Speaker 2: we're like, hey, do not think this team is a pushover.
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  Speaker 1: They they will beat you.
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  Speaker 2: They will come in, they will come in and they
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  Speaker 2: will kick your butt, you know.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, And and it's and I know some of it too,
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  Speaker 5: is also like oh it's the Cardinals. And also they're
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  Speaker 5: a West Coast team coming east, and teams like that
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  Speaker 5: don't do well. And so I understand some of the narratives.
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  Speaker 5: But yeah, I'm just jet like, regardless of covering the Bills,
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  Speaker 5: I'm just excited for this game schematically, and I'm excited
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  Speaker 5: to get into the conversation with you about it real quick.
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  Speaker 5: Let's pull off this other super chat from Carl, who's
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  Speaker 5: is pretty much here every single week. Carl, I appreciate
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  Speaker 5: the hell I tell you this all the every week,
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  Speaker 5: even when you're not doing super chats. But thank you
• 15:37
  Speaker 5: for being here. Thank you very much for the super chat.
• 15:39
  Speaker 5: Carl says the win hinges on how soon will it
• 15:42
  Speaker 5: take for Kyler to sync with Marvin? And on the
• 15:45
  Speaker 5: flip side, how soon will it take for Josh to
• 15:48
  Speaker 5: sync with his new receivers. I like that, especially from
• 15:51
  Speaker 5: like a live bullets perspective, right, anything you see in
• 15:54
  Speaker 5: training camp and even in the preseason, which we didn't
• 15:56
  Speaker 5: really get Marvin Harrison action in the preseason. We didn't
• 15:58
  Speaker 5: really get any Josh Allen action in the preseason either,
• 16:01
  Speaker 5: based on how the weather went in the Pittsburgh game
• 16:04
  Speaker 5: and then Game three, none of the starters being in there.
• 16:06
  Speaker 5: So yeah, it's just a different atmosphere once you get
• 16:10
  Speaker 5: into Week one, and again there's a lot of new
• 16:12
  Speaker 5: parts on both sides, but especially for this Bill side.
• 16:15
  Speaker 5: I'm not saying that positively or negatively. It just might
• 16:17
  Speaker 5: take a little time for that grouping to gel. And
• 16:20
  Speaker 5: regardless of what happens in Week one for any team,
• 16:23
  Speaker 5: who a team is in September is not who they
• 16:25
  Speaker 5: are in November and December. But especially for the Bills,
• 16:28
  Speaker 5: who I do think have to find their footing a
• 16:30
  Speaker 5: little bit in terms of getting the puzzle pieces to
• 16:32
  Speaker 5: fit together and things to gel as they really kind
• 16:34
  Speaker 5: of embrace this revamp and start to go forward. But
• 16:37
  Speaker 5: really nice piece, Carl, Thank you very much. All Right, Now,
• 16:41
  Speaker 5: for those who don't know or may just be walking in, now,
• 16:43
  Speaker 5: what's going to happen in this episode? After we've kind
• 16:46
  Speaker 5: of done this high level intro piece, JP and I
• 16:48
  Speaker 5: are each going to give our top three critical elements
• 16:51
  Speaker 5: that will decide the game between the Bills and the Cardinals.
• 16:54
  Speaker 5: And it could be anything. It could be very large scale,
• 16:57
  Speaker 5: broad brush. It could be something very granular, something niche,
• 17:00
  Speaker 5: something super detailed. It could be a schematic piece. It
• 17:03
  Speaker 5: could be a position group. It could be a coach.
• 17:06
  Speaker 5: It could be an entire side of the ball, could
• 17:07
  Speaker 5: be an individual player versus another. Anything and everything is available.
• 17:11
  Speaker 5: I don't know JP's answers, he doesn't know mine, and
• 17:14
  Speaker 5: we're just gonna go back and forth and give our
• 17:17
  Speaker 5: thoughts and get and give our thoughts on each other's
• 17:19
  Speaker 5: thoughts and have a nice back and forth.
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: JP.
• 17:21
  Speaker 5: Sorry, I gotta stop again. We got another superchat Laura Korvack,
• 17:24
  Speaker 5: thank you very much for being here, and thank you
• 17:25
  Speaker 5: very much for the superchat. Greatly appreciated. He says, both
• 17:28
  Speaker 5: of your opinions. JP, I'll let you kick it off first,
• 17:30
  Speaker 5: because you're the guest. He says, can the Bills pass
• 17:33
  Speaker 5: rush either organically or via the blitz? Get Kyler Murray
• 17:37
  Speaker 5: on the ground, And if this is tied to one
• 17:39
  Speaker 5: of your answers later, feel free to say you'll have
• 17:42
  Speaker 5: this as an answer. Leader.
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: So this is a really good question, and I think
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: it brings up a lot of where the modern NFL
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: defense is going with stimulated pressures and creepers and using
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: that to create pressure and cough have it. That's the
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: biggest thing. You want to change the pick, you know,
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: I think I think if you can win with four,
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: do not send anybody else. If you can win with four,
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: just win with four. That is where I think they
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: can get after them the most. I actually think this
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: Cardinals offensive line is a little underrated. Of course, we
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: talked about Joona Williams, talked about Paris Johnson on that
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: center eight Frotle Monster. Yeah, in the game, I was
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: done watching, I was like, oh, okay, I didn't know
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: you had that.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: It's like that shag. I'm sorry, I'm not familiar with
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: your name, not familiar with the game. Okay, I'll see you.
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: But in terms of getting Kyler on the ground, it
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: has to become it has to become less. We're not
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: going to bend around the pocket. We have to crush
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: the pocket. You have to minimize the space Kyler Murray
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: gets to escape. So it might not be a big
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: Rousseau or Epineza game, but both of those guys pass
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: rush repertoires and athletic talents benefit hit themselves to this
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: style of game where they might not get a sack,
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: but with their length and power they can.
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: Crust the pocket.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: This is gonna be more of an ed Oliver has
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: to win in between the tackles and the defensive tackles
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: have to get pressure in Kyler's face.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: Because again, Tyler's a phenomenal athlete.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: He is one of the most incredible athletes to play quarterback,
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: both in the game right now and that we have
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: ever seen. But he is also five ten and probably
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: with five ten playing quarterback is you gotta get the ball.
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: You gotta get the ball round somehow, So I think
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: it is gonna be less blitz and more We're gonna
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: see if we can win with four and if not,
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: then I could see, you know, those simulated pressures where
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: you bring a guy, drop.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: A guy start to start to come up. Because I
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: worry a little.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: Bit, and this is gonna get into something I'll talk
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: about later one of my three keys. I worry a
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: little bit about the Bill's second level defenders in the
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: isolated situations against Kyler, Like that is that is one
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: of the bigger question marks that I have.
• 20:06
  Speaker 5: I think that's fair and I like your answer there,
• 20:09
  Speaker 5: and it also ties into like so my first part
• 20:12
  Speaker 5: in her point in answering this question is I think
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: the Bills will be able to get pressure whether or not,
• 20:18
  Speaker 5: like literally in this question of can they get Kyler
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: on the ground. Those are just two holistically different things
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: because he's such a for as much as he gets
• 20:27
  Speaker 5: like made fun of her, like how he runs or
• 20:29
  Speaker 5: like I've even said it before too, like when every
• 20:31
  Speaker 5: time Kyler takes off, like I hear the Stewie Griffin
• 20:34
  Speaker 5: footsteps in my head, like I just see him running
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: out Here's like but he's hard to get down. He's
• 20:38
  Speaker 5: extremely elusive. He embraces the chaos, knows how to navigate it,
• 20:42
  Speaker 5: and can still make plays with his arm aside from
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: his legs and his feet in that whole instance. And
• 20:48
  Speaker 5: I like the question too, like the specifics of like
• 20:50
  Speaker 5: Ken the Bills pass us I either organic or via
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: the blitz, like get Kyler on the ground. And I
• 20:54
  Speaker 5: think that's the question to ask. Last year, before Matt
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: Milana went down, this group up front and I had
• 21:02
  Speaker 5: Daikwon Jones went down in the same game. The Bills
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: had a very good creeper and simulated pressure package and
• 21:08
  Speaker 5: they're basically the same thing except the creeper. You know,
• 21:11
  Speaker 5: you're just not showing the pressure pre snap like you
• 21:13
  Speaker 5: are with the simulated And they had a really good
• 21:15
  Speaker 5: five man pressure package. And then Milana went down, Daiquon
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: went down. They changed things a little bit. They didn't
• 21:20
  Speaker 5: lean into it as much. Terrell Bernard's a terrific blitzer.
• 21:23
  Speaker 5: He was a huge benefactor of that early on in
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: those first five weeks. And I wonder how much they
• 21:29
  Speaker 5: lean into that because in his heart of hearts, granted
• 21:31
  Speaker 5: this is you know, Bobby Babbage's defense. Now he's the DC,
• 21:34
  Speaker 5: he's running things in Sean McDermott's heart of hearts. He
• 21:38
  Speaker 5: wants to rush for and nothing else. And not even
• 21:41
  Speaker 5: just Sean McDermott. That's most coaches, except for like Dick
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: Lebou who wants to just run like fire zone zone
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: blitzes and just confuse the hell out of you. Inteckt
• 21:49
  Speaker 5: or like Rex Ryan too, like some of those guys
• 21:51
  Speaker 5: in that mindset, But most coordinators now, like the defensive
• 21:54
  Speaker 5: philosophy is if you can win with four in the past,
• 21:57
  Speaker 5: you're just sending four. That means you always have seven
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: in coverage. That's part of the reason why simulated and
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: creepers are so are so impactful now and why guys
• 22:06
  Speaker 5: are lean into it because you're still only rushing four,
• 22:09
  Speaker 5: you still have seven in coverage. You're just changing who's
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: coming and what body is doing what. But you can
• 22:14
  Speaker 5: also confuse protections and dictate protections based on what you
• 22:18
  Speaker 5: show pre snap and what you do. I think that
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: they will pressure Kyler Murray. Whether or not they get
• 22:23
  Speaker 5: him to the ground I think is very dependent upon JP.
• 22:27
  Speaker 5: What you said you have to compress the pocket Kyler
• 22:30
  Speaker 5: will and this is what makes Kyler so difficult, Like
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: you could just beat your man so bad on the
• 22:36
  Speaker 5: snap outside inside, speed to power whatever. But if you
• 22:40
  Speaker 5: like the stereotypical like if you lose rush lane integrity,
• 22:43
  Speaker 5: like you could win and it's so beautiful. And if
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: he side steps you and the front door is available,
• 22:47
  Speaker 5: he's gone. Or you could win right if you're at Oliver,
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: you could win up the gut right away if he
• 22:52
  Speaker 5: side steps you and can escape through that A gap
• 22:54
  Speaker 5: or that B gap he's going to and he's gonna
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: make you pay, like with his arm or with his legs.
• 22:59
  Speaker 5: I just and I think they will get pressure. I
• 23:01
  Speaker 5: think they'll be able to compress the pocket. I think
• 23:04
  Speaker 5: they'll be able to do it with four. I do
• 23:06
  Speaker 5: think they're gonna lean into some of those simulateds and
• 23:08
  Speaker 5: creepers and five man stuff on third down. Whether or
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: not they get him to the ground, I think is
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: a question that's up in the air because there's a
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: big difference between pressuring Kyler versus getting him to the ground.
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: Like it's just a hard thing because yeah, his Stewie
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: Griffin feet and his athleticism and now, like your point
• 23:25
  Speaker 5: on the line, their line isn't like great, but it's
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: not putrid, and it's not terrible, and so I think
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: that helps a little as well.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the biggest thing, especially with blitzing and
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: sending those pressures, especially from defensive backs and second and
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: third level defenders, is you still have to maintain rustlanes.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: Just because you're sending a blitz does not mean that
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: you just get to with free willy nilly, just go
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: fly past Kyler Murray or cause if you lose that lane,
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: he's gonna find it.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: And once Kyler finds it again, there are not many
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: athletes on the field that are better than Kyler Murray
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: at what he does.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: See. A lot of the short jokes valid absolutely, Salid
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: I also.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: Make those jokes that man is tiny, but that tiny
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: run fast, like that's the biggest thing that that tiny
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: man can run. So it's just about maintaining rush lanes,
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: you know. That's the biggest thing. When you play dual
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: threat quarterbacks, you have to maintain rush lanes.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: You have to be disciplined.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: Because it doesn't matter as much with facts getting him
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: on the ground.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: You want him to feel the pressure.
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: I want to.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: Feel like, Oh, it's the same conversation we had about
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: Josh Allen when they played the Jaguars in London last year.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: You want him to feel that pressure. You want him
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: to think, oh, I only got this amount of time
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: to throw, let me throw it early and there's nothing
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: that's gonna happen. Or I want you want him to
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: think I got a lot of time based on what
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: they're what the front is showing, boom, all of a sudden,
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: everybody's coming now. Now you got to make a split
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: second decision, and that leads to bad decisions. It's less
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: about getting him on the ground and more forcing him
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: to think a lot quicker speed.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: Up the reaction.
• 25:07
  Speaker 5: I like that, and I also think too, to piggyback
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: on that, I think it's less about individual wins and
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: more about like a coordinated dance amongst your front and
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: really kind of hemming it in because similar to the
• 25:20
  Speaker 5: where was yeah from this comment here from Kamuri when
• 25:24
  Speaker 5: we were talking saying that Cards fans are probably saying
• 25:26
  Speaker 5: the same thing about Josh. It is very similar to
• 25:28
  Speaker 5: the Josh Allen conversation, to the Pat Mahomes conversation and
• 25:31
  Speaker 5: alluding to like or referencing what you just said too,
• 25:34
  Speaker 5: like it's the nature of those dual threat quarterbacks, right, like,
• 25:37
  Speaker 5: it's not just about you beat your guy one on one.
• 25:40
  Speaker 5: If you get out of your rush lane and your
• 25:41
  Speaker 5: other dance partners up front are doing their job, you
• 25:44
  Speaker 5: just opened up a lane for them to escape. We
• 25:46
  Speaker 5: saw when the Bills O line was bad prior to
• 25:49
  Speaker 5: last year, they would lose up front one on one
• 25:52
  Speaker 5: all the time, and then Alan would just be like, Okay,
• 25:54
  Speaker 5: I'm gonna stiff arm this defensive tackle or I'm gonna
• 25:56
  Speaker 5: shake this edge and I'm going to go make a play.
• 25:58
  Speaker 5: Mahomes does it all the time, Kyler does it all
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: the time, Lamar does it. Jordan Love did it a
• 26:03
  Speaker 5: bunch last year when things are really clicking. Like that's
• 26:05
  Speaker 5: part of that nature of the dual threat piece. And
• 26:08
  Speaker 5: I also think what ties into it a little bit
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: is something I'm going to talk about in one of
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: my points here, and you might talk about it as well.
• 26:17
  Speaker 5: I just see the Cardinals going. I like Marvin Harrison,
• 26:22
  Speaker 5: I like Michael Wilson a lot as a number two,
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: and I know and Doorsch is fun for like being
• 26:26
  Speaker 5: a slock guy in a third option and then trade
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: McBride technically is like, I don't know, you're two or
• 26:30
  Speaker 5: maybe even like you're three, depending on how you view Wilson.
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: But I just envision a lot of like twelve and
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: thirteen personnel and heavier sets for the Cardinals in this game.
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: And so I don't know how much we're going to
• 26:40
  Speaker 5: get into situations where it's just like pure pin our
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: ears back. The Cardinals are spreading it out like that,
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: how many bodies they have attached to the line of
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: scrimmage and the down and distance on third down is
• 26:53
  Speaker 5: really going to impact a lot of that pressure aspect
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: and getting to Kyler, pressuring him, getting into ground all that,
• 26:59
  Speaker 5: and just by the smile, and you're not When I
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: said that, I figured that was gonna be one of
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: your points. But we'll talk about it all right, So, JP,
• 27:05
  Speaker 5: the floor is yours. I don't know if you have
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: any of these ranked in terms of importance. If you do,
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: you can start with whichever one you so choose. You
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: know it is, the floor is yours. You're the guest.
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: Take us through your first critical element that you think
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: will decide the Buffalo Bills versus Arizona Cardinals in week one.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: I am going to start with one that is nearest
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: and dearest to my heart. It is the Buffalo Bills
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: offense against the Arizona Cardinals pocket saying defense. I call
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: it pocket saying because, look, they don't have a.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: Lot of talent upfront. They don't like that they have
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: one of.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: The worst defensive line groups in the NFL, just based
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: on depth. But yeah, I call it pocket saying because
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: you just don't know what they're gonna throw at you.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: And I'm talking about when they go to that three
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: safety defense, which I absolutely love.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: I wrote.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: I wrote my master's project on the three says safety
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: defense and how it changes body types in the NFL.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: So seeing the Cardinals run the three safety defense and
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: just cause chaos, it's like, oh, I.
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: Knew I could do run about that. But my favorite
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: thing about this defense is how they use Buddha Baker
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: as the middle safety.
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they weaponize him. They weaponize him in unlock him,
• 28:20
  Speaker 5: and then he's a force multiplier for everything else around him.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: Absolutely, that middle safety.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: You can talk to any high school coach, any college
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: coach that runs his defense, that middle safety is more.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: Likely your best player, that is your dude, because what.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: This defense allows you to do and what the Cardinals
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: use so much is it allows that Mic linebacker. So
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: they ran it with a five to one front. They
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: ran it with a penny front. They're not going to
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: run three down linement with it. They ran it with
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: their penny front. It allows the MIC linebacker to scrape
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: super hard over and Buddha can just slot right back
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: in onto the back side. So now everything is tied together.
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: When you think about run fits out of that three
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: high shell, it's like a triangle. It's a triangle between
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: the backside linebacker, the MIC, and the middle safety. So
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: if the ball goes one way, the MIC can scrape,
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: the middle safety comes down and replaces where he was,
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: and that backside linebacker is still tracking on the cutback.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: And that's something that the Cardinals did so well. They
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: were so disciplined out of that. But not only that,
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: they can run a majority a lot of different coverages
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: out of this defense and out of this personnel because
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: of Buddha Baker's versatility. Love Budda Baker as a player.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: I think he is best as that middle safety.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: That rover.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: You know, he is the robber defender. He is one
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: of the perfect robber defenders in the NFL. He can sit,
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: he can be that Tampa defender. That's one of my
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: favorite parts about this defense is instead of having a
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: mic linebacker be the middle runner in Tampa two, you
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: now have a more athletic safety there who will be
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: that middle runner. And I think that's going to cause
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: a lot of problems for the Bills spread game. The
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: three high safety defense is built to stop the spread.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: It was made in high schools and college is made
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: popular by Iowa State.
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: I was just literally just gonna say, Iowa State, the
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: big twelve.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: Iowa State made it to stop the spread and the
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: super spread. Mickey Mouse rpl crap that uh that Baylor
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: and Tennessee run.
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: Now, I hate it. I love that you called it
• 30:22
  Speaker 5: Mickey Mouse. I hate it.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: It's Mickey Mouse. It's Mickey Mouse. It is. It is
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: easy bake oven, so don't don't give me that.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: But where this defense kind of struggles is in condensed set.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: You know, That's where I think instead of running a
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: three three down front, that's where the Cardinals play a
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: five man so you can get a little more, get
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: a little bigger up front. Condensed formations, condensed sets, that
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: is where the three high safety defense kind of falters.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: But that's also where I think the Bills can attack them,
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: especially this version of the Bills. This version of the
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: Bills is probably not going to be the super spread
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: offense that we've seen in years before from Buffalo. This
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: offense is going to be a bit more compressed, gonna
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: be a little bit condensed sets. They're gonna try and
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: hit you in the face in the run game. I
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: think under Candorsey they were a majority outside zone, inside zone.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: You know they they would that was their primary diet
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: in the run game. With Joe Brady, it has been duo,
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: it has been counter, it has been power if they
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: are trying to hit you in the face in the
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: run game instead of trying to run around you. And
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: that's where I think they can kind of attack this
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: three high safety defense, because as good as Buddha Baker is,
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: you don't necessarily want one hundred and ninety pound Buddha
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: Baker coming into the coming down to the backside and
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: a down blocking guard or tackle is the one guy.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: To meet him. You want that to happen.
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: You want to get against zone flow where he can
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: kind of fill those backside gaps and then once he
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: sees a lane open, he can get there faster. Than
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: your guard or tackle. But in gap in man schemes,
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: and he is the one guy that you are keyd on,
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: he's gonna get hit. So I think if the Bills
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: can kind of condense those sets, condence the formations, and
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: really try and hammer against this Cardinals defensive front that
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: like I said, they're thin, They are thin upfront depth wise,
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: and they don't have a lot of people who really
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: they don't have the top end talent or depth to
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: really contend upfront. And if you if you just lean
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: on them, then I think that'll be a really strong
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: game plan for Buffalo.
• 32:33
  Speaker 5: So it's so funny, like your first point, I can
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: just naturally piggyback on it with my first point because
• 32:40
  Speaker 5: it ties and so on with what you said. And
• 32:41
  Speaker 5: you and I talked about this when I had you
• 32:44
  Speaker 5: on during the summer, where we talked about how this
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: Bill's offense could kind of adapt and evolve and move forward,
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: and we talked a lot about condensed sets and reducing
• 32:53
  Speaker 5: formational with and it's that that literal line has been
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: something I have been echoing almost every single episode, starting
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: with you throughout the entirety of this summer. I talked
• 33:04
  Speaker 5: about it with you. I talked about it with Mina
• 33:06
  Speaker 5: Chimes when I had her on the show. I talked
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: about it a bunch when I was going to training
• 33:09
  Speaker 5: camp and breaking down what they were showing. It just
• 33:11
  Speaker 5: makes sense given the body types that they have at
• 33:15
  Speaker 5: receiver and tight end. And I went and did a
• 33:18
  Speaker 5: full film episode for this show breaking down elements of
• 33:22
  Speaker 5: the Rams and Lions and Texans and how and why
• 33:26
  Speaker 5: the Bill should borrow from those offenses because of their
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: reduced formational with how they run the football and what
• 33:32
  Speaker 5: they do formationally, because of how it fits what the
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: Bills have from a body type standpoint, wide receiver and
• 33:37
  Speaker 5: tight end. And I love that you talked about that
• 33:41
  Speaker 5: run piece. Guy, I really do think. I think so
• 33:43
  Speaker 5: much of the Bill's offense this year, the foundation point
• 33:47
  Speaker 5: is the run game. Now, that doesn't mean like the
• 33:48
  Speaker 5: Bills are going to be the sixty forty run team
• 33:51
  Speaker 5: and it's run first, run first, But I think the
• 33:54
  Speaker 5: success of this offense stems from the run game and
• 33:57
  Speaker 5: the body types they have at receiver and tight end,
• 34:00
  Speaker 5: and especially in this game. To echo your point exactly,
• 34:03
  Speaker 5: I don't even have to regurgitate it too much. Like
• 34:06
  Speaker 5: what they have up front from a cardinal standpoint, is
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: something you can You can run right at them. You
• 34:13
  Speaker 5: can create this placement against them. You can get them
• 34:15
  Speaker 5: moving horizontally and or vertically running downhill, moving them out
• 34:20
  Speaker 5: of the way, mitigating the creativity that they can show
• 34:23
  Speaker 5: on the back end with those three safety looks, mitigating
• 34:26
  Speaker 5: those known passing down situations where they can really flip
• 34:29
  Speaker 5: the script on you from a pre to post snap
• 34:31
  Speaker 5: change and lean into where's Budda Baker going to be? Oh,
• 34:36
  Speaker 5: he's in the center of the field right now, single high,
• 34:38
  Speaker 5: but guess what he might end up being in the
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: apex and then the slot on the other side of
• 34:42
  Speaker 5: the field come post snap, like you have no idea
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: what we're about to spin to or shift to, like,
• 34:46
  Speaker 5: not allowing them to take advantage of what Thompson and
• 34:49
  Speaker 5: Baker and really everybody in that secondary can do starts
• 34:52
  Speaker 5: with that run game piece. And so my point kind
• 34:55
  Speaker 5: of ties into all that that you mentioned. Specifically For me,
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: I just kind of labeled it like the Bill eleven
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: and twelve personnel groupings because I see the wide receiver
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: room in tight end room as being similar from a
• 35:06
  Speaker 5: stature and skill set standpoint, but some data in it
• 35:09
  Speaker 5: from last year is pretty interesting. So if you look
• 35:12
  Speaker 5: at the Bills last year, when they were in eleven personnel,
• 35:15
  Speaker 5: they were fourth in overall EPA per play, fifth in
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: passing EPA per play, third in EPA per rush, so
• 35:23
  Speaker 5: really nice out of eleven. Similar in twelve out of
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: twelve personnel, they were eighth and EPA per play, six
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: in passing EPA per play, but they were sixteenth in
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: EPA per rush out of twelve personnel. Their EPA per
• 35:36
  Speaker 5: rush out of eleven again they were third, it was
• 35:39
  Speaker 5: zero point one zero, pretty good. Their EPA per rush
• 35:43
  Speaker 5: out of twelve again where they were sixteenth negative zero
• 35:46
  Speaker 5: point one four. They were losing expected points every time
• 35:49
  Speaker 5: they ran the ball. Out of twelve last year, and
• 35:51
  Speaker 5: if it if you take just running back runs only
• 35:54
  Speaker 5: for the Bills out of twelve last year, it got worse.
• 35:57
  Speaker 5: They were twenty sixth in EPA per rush at negative
• 36:01
  Speaker 5: zero point one point eight. For this Bills offense to
• 36:04
  Speaker 5: succeed really this year, but also I think in this
• 36:07
  Speaker 5: game they're eleven and twelve personnel, groups have to win
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: both in the air and on the ground to make
• 36:14
  Speaker 5: the body types that they have at wide receiver and
• 36:16
  Speaker 5: tight end truly put opposing defenses into binds in order
• 36:21
  Speaker 5: to maximize the mismatch creation potential that they have there.
• 36:24
  Speaker 5: They have to be able to run and pass effectively
• 36:27
  Speaker 5: from both eleven and twelve. And again, I don't want
• 36:29
  Speaker 5: to drill down too much on it because you talked
• 36:31
  Speaker 5: about it, I've talked about it so much this offseason.
• 36:33
  Speaker 5: But their wide receiver and tight end rooms are similar
• 36:36
  Speaker 5: to one another, and that the predominant factors are combinations
• 36:39
  Speaker 5: of size, frame, and athleticism. You do have some individual
• 36:43
  Speaker 5: traits or play style elements, like what Curtis Samuel is,
• 36:46
  Speaker 5: what Khalil Shakir is, even Dalton Kincaid with his route
• 36:49
  Speaker 5: running precision, but the groups can largely be characterized as
• 36:53
  Speaker 5: built around size, frame and athleticism, with the ability to
• 36:56
  Speaker 5: function as both pass catchers and blockers in the run game.
• 37:00
  Speaker 5: And even Kurtis Samuel and Khalil Shakir are factors as
• 37:03
  Speaker 5: blockers as well, even though they don't necessarily fit like
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: the size and frame aesthetic of Keyon Coleman, Mac Collins, MBS,
• 37:10
  Speaker 5: Dalton Kinkaid, and Dawson Knox. But I think so much
• 37:13
  Speaker 5: of this season depends on that, and that's why I
• 37:16
  Speaker 5: think this opening game is so fun, like we alluded
• 37:19
  Speaker 5: to in the intro, because I think this opening game
• 37:22
  Speaker 5: is a really good test for the Bills eleven and
• 37:24
  Speaker 5: twelve personnel groupings in terms of what they look like
• 37:27
  Speaker 5: in the run in the past, what do they look
• 37:29
  Speaker 5: like from a condensed formation and reduced formational with aspect
• 37:33
  Speaker 5: because of how it sets the table for the rest
• 37:35
  Speaker 5: of the year, but also because that's the best way
• 37:38
  Speaker 5: to attack this Cardinals defense. Like I want to see
• 37:40
  Speaker 5: the Bills. I want to see them go with condensed
• 37:42
  Speaker 5: formations and have as many dudes attached to the line
• 37:44
  Speaker 5: as possible. And I want you to run duo as
• 37:47
  Speaker 5: many times as you want and smash the Cardinals in
• 37:50
  Speaker 5: the face. And then if you want to go spread
• 37:51
  Speaker 5: a little bit or maybe you know, have somebody in
• 37:53
  Speaker 5: line out of eleven personnel, I want you to lean
• 37:56
  Speaker 5: into your dark concept. I want you to run tackle pull.
• 37:58
  Speaker 5: I want you to run tackle trap and take advantage
• 38:00
  Speaker 5: of the Cardinals trying to get upfield a little bit
• 38:02
  Speaker 5: with the smaller body types that they have on that
• 38:04
  Speaker 5: defensive line. I feel like, again, the run game sets
• 38:07
  Speaker 5: the table for the twenty twenty four Bills offense, but
• 38:10
  Speaker 5: also for this game because, like you said, and some
• 38:13
  Speaker 5: of the points I made as well, I think it
• 38:15
  Speaker 5: just it just fits with what you want to do
• 38:17
  Speaker 5: against this Cardinals defense, like you mitigate their best aspect
• 38:21
  Speaker 5: on the back end schematically by just running the football
• 38:25
  Speaker 5: right down their throat with what you have, and it
• 38:26
  Speaker 5: just fits what the Bills have naturally already.
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: So I went to look it up on FT and Fantasy,
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: which is great spot for dvo Way, but also adjusted lineyards,
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: which means how many yards either in offensive line games
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: or how many yards adjusted for running back yards, how
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: many yards truly the offensive line.
• 38:46
  Speaker 5: The Bills were great at. The Bills were great at
• 38:48
  Speaker 5: it last year. I don't remember what, but talked about
• 38:50
  Speaker 5: it a bunch.
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the Cardinals defense allow four point eight seven adjusted lineyards.
• 38:57
  Speaker 5: That's terrible.
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: That is dead last. And no, no, no, that is dead last.
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: That's not great, not great at all. The biggest thing is,
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: you know they allowed they also allowed the second most
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: second level yards, so it's from the linebackers, you know,
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: that's second level.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: They're really good at open field.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: Tackling, which fits their personnel. They have great safety, great
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: cornerback plays, and they are all feisty as hell. They
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: will come up and hit you in the face of
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: keep your Clark one of my favorite players to walk.
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: He's gonna throw his body everywhere to try and make
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: that play.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: Jalen Thompson, lude Baker.
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: They are all very fight tacklers, but up front they
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: are not great. They are They're liable to get hit
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: in the mouth, and so you have you have to
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: try and lean on them. You gotta try and lean
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: on try and get them move, get them moved. Because
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: I know we make a.
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: Lot about uh oh, run running the ball, this, that
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: and the other.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: It's not efficient, but it matters if especially when it
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: comes down to creating offense when you don't really have
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: the superstar talent that you had at receiver.
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: If you can lean on guys and get them running
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: the ball and you can.
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: Get four yards to carry, I'll think that that makes
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: second down a whole lot easier, opens up the playbook
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: a whole lot more for those guys who don't have
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: to win immediately, you know. So I think the Bills
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: to try and lean on them, lean on them as
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: hard as possible and see if you can get them
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: into those bigger personnel where then you can attack.
• 40:34
  Speaker 5: Yes, I love that and especially with how I mean,
• 40:38
  Speaker 5: I don't want to blanket statement this too much, but
• 40:40
  Speaker 5: pretty much like every single quarterback does better with play
• 40:43
  Speaker 5: action than they do which a straight drop aacks, but
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: especially Josh Allen, Like, Josh Allen is a tremendous play
• 40:49
  Speaker 5: action passer. I've talked about it all the time, Like
• 40:52
  Speaker 5: I legitimately think the rhythm, especially of under center play
• 40:56
  Speaker 5: action gets him set mechanically, like he gets into with
• 41:00
  Speaker 5: different level of comfortability based on the rhythm he has
• 41:03
  Speaker 5: from snapping the ball, having that fake you know, faking
• 41:07
  Speaker 5: the run action, turning setting, hitching up and then throwing
• 41:10
  Speaker 5: like it gets his body position correct, his eyes are
• 41:13
  Speaker 5: in the right place, is timing. Everything flows very well
• 41:16
  Speaker 5: for him. And yeah, this this run game, it makes
• 41:21
  Speaker 5: things so much easier for an offense. If you can
• 41:23
  Speaker 5: grind out four to five yards of carry, like you're
• 41:25
  Speaker 5: just living in such a good life as an offense,
• 41:28
  Speaker 5: even more so when you also have Josh Allen as
• 41:31
  Speaker 5: a factor with his legs, even more so when you
• 41:34
  Speaker 5: add in the play action run game, and then also
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: from the perspective of this is where the eleven and
• 41:39
  Speaker 5: twelve starts to come into play. And you and I
• 41:40
  Speaker 5: talked about this when when you were on one of
• 41:42
  Speaker 5: the times during the summer. I was I was gonna
• 41:44
  Speaker 5: say the last time, but I don't even think that
• 41:45
  Speaker 5: was the last time. She went on so much like
• 41:47
  Speaker 5: this is then where it starts to get money for
• 41:50
  Speaker 5: a defense, right, Like you're sitting there in eleven personnel
• 41:54
  Speaker 5: and you're running it down a defense's throat. So the
• 41:57
  Speaker 5: defense is like, all right, like, we got to bring
• 41:59
  Speaker 5: in a bigger body type, We got to change some
• 42:01
  Speaker 5: things to figure out how to knock get it run
• 42:03
  Speaker 5: down our throat. But all they're seeing is somebody is
• 42:06
  Speaker 5: up in the booth with the binoculars going, yeah they're
• 42:08
  Speaker 5: in eleven. Yeah, they're in eleven. Okay, cool, Well they're
• 42:10
  Speaker 5: gutting us with the run. We got to match it somehow.
• 42:13
  Speaker 5: You know what's nice what you can do with that
• 42:15
  Speaker 5: same eleven personnel grouping that you've been mashing teams with.
• 42:18
  Speaker 5: Now you can go spread and you can also do
• 42:21
  Speaker 5: the exact same thing with your twelve personnel grouping with
• 42:23
  Speaker 5: Dawson Knox and Dalton Kin Kate, And that's where that
• 42:26
  Speaker 5: whole mismatch creation element comes in, because if you're too
• 42:29
  Speaker 5: small or not good enough to bang against the Bills
• 42:33
  Speaker 5: in the run with eleven and twelve and you need
• 42:36
  Speaker 5: to go bigger cool can those bigger dudes function in
• 42:40
  Speaker 5: the past against Keyon Coleman and even mac Collins Hell
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: like but let alone Curtis Samuel with what they're gonna
• 42:46
  Speaker 5: do with him with Shakir and then especially with the
• 42:47
  Speaker 5: tight ends, and you could go full spread with it.
• 42:49
  Speaker 5: Right say you're in twelve and it's Keyon Coleman, Mac Collins,
• 42:55
  Speaker 5: James Cook and then your two tight ends Knox and Kate,
• 42:57
  Speaker 5: you're just mashing and mashing. You could literally to take
• 43:00
  Speaker 5: that and go three by two and be actually functional
• 43:03
  Speaker 5: with it because of the receivers tight ends and then
• 43:04
  Speaker 5: James Cook as a pass countcher Hell even Ray Davis
• 43:07
  Speaker 5: with that, And that's where it all starts to get
• 43:09
  Speaker 5: really beautiful for this Bills offense. And I think that's
• 43:12
  Speaker 5: where the sweet spot is for the entirety of the year.
• 43:15
  Speaker 5: This is not an offense where you look at it
• 43:18
  Speaker 5: on paper and just go there's just a bunch of
• 43:21
  Speaker 5: dudes that can get buckets on that offense. I'm scared
• 43:24
  Speaker 5: of this guy. I'm scared of that guy. I'm scared
• 43:25
  Speaker 5: of that guy. No, it's very much a push the
• 43:28
  Speaker 5: right button at the right time, pull the right lever
• 43:31
  Speaker 5: at the right time, turn the dials up to the
• 43:33
  Speaker 5: right levels at the right moment, and win schematically based
• 43:37
  Speaker 5: on your mismatch creation elements and a lot of that,
• 43:39
  Speaker 5: if not all of it starts with the run for
• 43:42
  Speaker 5: this season. And again, like we said, I think, especially
• 43:44
  Speaker 5: like in this game against Arizona, it just makes sense
• 43:47
  Speaker 5: like and I don't even want I say that too
• 43:49
  Speaker 5: to preface like what I'm about to say, like, don't
• 43:52
  Speaker 5: be scared or upset if you're very much like a no,
• 43:56
  Speaker 5: like all the metrics say you need to throw the football,
• 43:59
  Speaker 5: if you have to pass past past, don't get upset
• 44:02
  Speaker 5: if you come out and see the Bills win this
• 44:03
  Speaker 5: game and Josh Allen only threw the ball like twenty
• 44:06
  Speaker 5: two times and they ran the ball like thirty five times.
• 44:10
  Speaker 5: Because that's what's gonna work against Cardinals.
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: We're looking at you know, when one of the bills
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: biggest wins last season was against the Cowboys.
• 44:23
  Speaker 5: They ran forty five times.
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: Y'alls, Allen threw the ball fifteen times.
• 44:27
  Speaker 5: There you go.
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: He wasn't exactly lighting up the field, you know. And
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: this is gonna be one of those games where if
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: they're giving you a light box and you think you
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: can run on them in a light box, do it
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: like it is the ultimate test of It's it's no
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: ultimate tests. We think we can stop you from running
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: the ball with six people.
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: In the box, try it, like, try me, Like what
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: if you if you think you can run the ball
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: on us, go for it.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: But that's something you have to physically impose on them
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: because they're not that big upfront, they're not that talented upfront.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: You have to try and hit them in the mouth
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: and try and get those safeties down and then you
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: can start to open up the pass game a little bit.
• 45:11
  Speaker 5: I love that, yeah, like even just like I don't
• 45:13
  Speaker 5: want to paint it with two broad of a brush,
• 45:15
  Speaker 5: but like as far as like the dudes who really
• 45:17
  Speaker 5: play on the line, it was so fun last year.
• 45:20
  Speaker 5: I really like Dennis gard Deck and just like how
• 45:22
  Speaker 5: crazy he was off the edge. But like, you know
• 45:24
  Speaker 5: how you can kind of take advantage of Dennis gard
• 45:26
  Speaker 5: Deck run it right, at his face, like as much
• 45:29
  Speaker 5: as you friggin can, like, don't let him be crazy
• 45:32
  Speaker 5: off the edge and do crazy stuff like no, just
• 45:35
  Speaker 5: don't even get into those past situations. Run at their face,
• 45:38
  Speaker 5: run through their face, and I still have like the
• 45:41
  Speaker 5: notion of him. We and I've said this before, and
• 45:44
  Speaker 5: many people have said this, and then every time we've
• 45:47
  Speaker 5: had like players on the show here or in the
• 45:50
  Speaker 5: film room the other show that I do, I may
• 45:52
  Speaker 5: I make it a point to ask like defensive linemen
• 45:54
  Speaker 5: and offensive lineman this question, like all the time. When
• 45:57
  Speaker 5: you get a team who runs the ball on you
• 45:59
  Speaker 5: can consistently and successfully, it does something to you mentally.
• 46:04
  Speaker 5: It's not just like man, they're gaining yards. That stuff
• 46:07
  Speaker 5: takes your soul, Like it is extremely demeaning to have
• 46:11
  Speaker 5: the ball run on you, especially at you, not like
• 46:14
  Speaker 5: oh man, they're getting cute with like you know, orbit
• 46:17
  Speaker 5: motion and like and reverses and like you know, split
• 46:21
  Speaker 5: zone in little things like no, when you get somebody
• 46:23
  Speaker 5: who is people moving you or just running duo and
• 46:26
  Speaker 5: vertically displacing you over and over again and running through
• 46:29
  Speaker 5: your chest and your face, that sucks and it takes
• 46:33
  Speaker 5: your soul and I'd like I think that's again the
• 46:35
  Speaker 5: starting point for the Bills offense for this season, but
• 46:39
  Speaker 5: especially for this game. And that's another reason again why
• 46:41
  Speaker 5: I think this game is so fun, because I think
• 46:43
  Speaker 5: it's a good table setter for Like, hey, what you
• 46:45
  Speaker 5: should be in twenty twenty four is what you should
• 46:48
  Speaker 5: be in this opening game against the Cardinals based on
• 46:51
  Speaker 5: how you can kind of expose them and maximize their
• 46:55
  Speaker 5: vulnerabilities while mitigating their strengths. And then again from the
• 46:58
  Speaker 5: Cardinals perspective, if you can fight against that and get
• 47:02
  Speaker 5: them into known passing situations or third and longs, and
• 47:05
  Speaker 5: then you can start to get into that creativity and
• 47:07
  Speaker 5: you can start to get into that bag of again
• 47:10
  Speaker 5: one of my favorite things I mentioned earlier, like it's
• 47:12
  Speaker 5: just such a small thing I love. I love how
• 47:13
  Speaker 5: teams will creatively, like get to Tampa two, and you
• 47:16
  Speaker 5: mentioned one of them, like I talked about it earlier.
• 47:18
  Speaker 5: You talked about it like instead of just using a
• 47:20
  Speaker 5: traditional middle linebacker as the pole runner, No, your Tampa
• 47:23
  Speaker 5: two player is Buddha Baker. But he's playing from top
• 47:26
  Speaker 5: down and he's not running the pole. He's coming down
• 47:29
  Speaker 5: and sitting in it and robbing and making plays off
• 47:32
  Speaker 5: of it, Like they get creative, they have athleticism, and
• 47:35
  Speaker 5: they I like what you said too, like they have
• 47:37
  Speaker 5: the mentality back there, like Buddha is nasty, but like
• 47:41
  Speaker 5: and if anybody matches his nastiness on that back end,
• 47:44
  Speaker 5: Jalen Thompson is right there with him, man Like Jalen
• 47:47
  Speaker 5: Thompson wants to put his helmet through your face and
• 47:50
  Speaker 5: take you out. But then he's also got some coverage ability,
• 47:52
  Speaker 5: Like there's reps of him against the Rams last year
• 47:54
  Speaker 5: where he's covering Cooper Cup like one on one in
• 47:57
  Speaker 5: space in the red zone, like to the white side
• 48:00
  Speaker 5: of the field. So you don't want to let them
• 48:02
  Speaker 5: get into that bag, Like that's one of the few
• 48:04
  Speaker 5: strengths they have. So don't even play to wit. Run
• 48:07
  Speaker 5: it right at them, run through their face and kind
• 48:08
  Speaker 5: of take advantage. I think it's funny. I'm not funny,
• 48:11
  Speaker 5: but I like they We're kind of in lockstep a
• 48:13
  Speaker 5: little bit with that first point. All right, second point
• 48:17
  Speaker 5: that you got, Flora is yours.
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: My second point is the Bills second level defenders against
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: the Cardinals twelve and thirteen personnel.
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: And I'm also to the Cardinals. The Cardinals really flip.
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: This is one of the points where I was talking
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: about where it's it's gonna come up later.
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: But the Cardinals are really an interesting team.
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: They were a really interesting team, especially when Kyler got back,
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: because they didn't lean into super spread. You know what
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: we think of Kyler Murray as a dual threat and
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: what we have seeing him with under Cliff Kingsbury.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: They got him under center and they ran a lot
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: of twelve.
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: And thirteen personnel, and I think it lends itself to
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: how different this offense line is. This offensive line is nasty.
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: They will get after you in the run game. Talked
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: about Paris Johnson Junior, such an easy mover at that size,
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: super powerful.
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: Jodah Williams is muno to right tackle.
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: After I thought he was gonna play left tackle there
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: and move Paris to right. But like I said, fro
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: Holt is a mean effort at center. They want to
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: try and hit you in the mouth. And it lends
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: itself to be so versatile out of their twelve and
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: thirteen personnel because their second tight end is Elijah Higgins
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: who was a wide receiver at Stanford. So you can
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: treat that twelve personnel with your bigger numbers, and then
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: a linebacker is having to guard a former wide receiver.
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: It's kind of the thing that the Chiefs did with
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: Travis Kelce where everybody was just playing nickel to the
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: Chiefs twelve personnel. Because Travis Kelsey is basically a big receiver,
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: they just added a tight end. And that's what the
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: Cardinals did. Everybody's gonna treat Elija Higgin like a big receiver.
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: Just go ad tip Ryman, and tip Ryman is another
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: mean m effort.
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: Who will block you. He will hit you in the mouth.
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: So this version of the Bills.
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: Defense without Matt Mulano, without their captain in the middle
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: in that linebacker group, I'm very curious how they defend
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: this twelve personnel because you know that is where they
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: are going to attack. The last time we saw the
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: Bills play a football game without Matt Milano, a decline
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: little lost out there in tall thirteen personnel, And of
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: course a Jclin's probably not going to play in this game,
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: definitely not going to play.
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: In this game.
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: But I think they're the Cardinal's ability to be so
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: versatile out of twelve and thirteen personnel, and now you
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: have a guy like Marvin Harrison Junior on the outside,
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: you can be a legitimate outside threat. Michael Wilson is
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: a great compliment to what they do. And there rapport
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: between treymon bride and Kyler Murray was one of the
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: coolest things I wrote about last season and just immediately clicked,
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: you know. He McBride is such an interesting player because
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: he he doesn't.
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: Have really long arms.
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: He's not he's kind of a stumpier guy, but he
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: can high point the ball really well, and he is
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: a monster after the catch.
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: They will throw screens, then they will throw bubble screens
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: to him.
• 51:21
  Speaker 5: They want they'll throw, they'll they'll they'll run Mesh and
• 51:23
  Speaker 5: they'll have him be the underneath, like the primary and
• 51:25
  Speaker 5: get it to him in space and he's out running.
• 51:27
  Speaker 5: He doesn't against the I mean, granted, Okudah's falling off
• 51:30
  Speaker 5: a clip, but he's doing against the falcons. Okudah has
• 51:32
  Speaker 5: him in man and he's just pulling away from him
• 51:34
  Speaker 5: on Mesh.
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: I think McBride was one of the He had some
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: of the most yards after the catch for any tight
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: end in the NFL. He is He was fifth last
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: year and yards after the catch. So it is going
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: to be imperative that the Bill's second level defenders come
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: to play and be ready to defend those guys in coverage,
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: because I believe according to Summer Sports, the Arizona Cardinals
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: throw the ball thirty nine point six percent of the
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: time at thirteenth personnel, which is eleventh in the NFL,
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: which isn't a massive number, like it's like, oh, it's
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: a major thing. But in twelve they're thirteenth in the
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: NFL in passing rate out of it and it's fifty
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: three point one percent. They want to get bigger numbers
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: on the get bigger guys on the field so they
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: can then throw it, and so the the ability to
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: stop the run and be able to defend those second
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: level defend second level like tight ends that the Cardinals
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: have is going to be huge for the Bills linebackers.
• 52:38
  Speaker 5: It's so funny, so I haven't labeled something. So I
• 52:41
  Speaker 5: labeled it as slowing down the Cardinals rpo game and
• 52:44
  Speaker 5: their run game. But I'm in pretty much the exact
• 52:47
  Speaker 5: same wheelhouse as you, so, like you mentioned like their
• 52:50
  Speaker 5: past game obviously gets a huge boost with Marvin Harrison junior,
• 52:54
  Speaker 5: and like we talked about you mentioned as well, like
• 52:56
  Speaker 5: I really like a wide receiver core of Marvin Harrison
• 52:58
  Speaker 5: Junior is the one. Again, it helped that he's a rookie.
• 53:01
  Speaker 5: We have to see, but it helps when you have
• 53:02
  Speaker 5: like a super true wide receiver one like him.
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: He's not real.
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: It's it's rare to find the guy that big but
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: that fluid as a mover.
• 53:15
  Speaker 5: It's nuts.
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: He's like a figure skater.
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: We've talked about a lot with I thought about a
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: lot with how wide receivers and edge rushers both kind
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: of moved in the same way because they're trying to
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: achieve the same goal of getting past a dB or.
• 53:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah, we've talked about it, like the wide receiver dB
• 53:33
  Speaker 5: battle is akin to the offensive lineman like the trench battle,
• 53:38
  Speaker 5: especially on the tackles versus the edges, because it's the
• 53:40
  Speaker 5: exact same principle and concept a lot of the same
• 53:42
  Speaker 5: hand movements. DeVante Adams also talked about that in the
• 53:46
  Speaker 5: Netflix Wide Receiver him he was telling him and Crosby
• 53:48
  Speaker 5: they were talking about it, which is sweet.
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: Yes, So it's very similar to Marve Harrison Junior's movements
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: are very similar to a guy who is super long,
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: super athletic, but he can sink his hips and he
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: has such good flexibility that just I know we all remember.
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: The catches on the sideline.
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: He he is a true ex receiver. I know that
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: he is a rookie. You're gonna have to pay attention
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: to Marven Harris Junior because they.
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: Will get they will get him the ball.
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: And even in the preseason on the one like on
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: like the four plays that he played, he was getting open.
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: It was just not a good quarterback throwing him the ball.
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: But now you're worried about so many more different people,
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: like you have to have eyes on Marvin Harris Junior.
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: You gotta have eyes on Trey McBride. You got too
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: many eyes there. They're gonna hit you in the face.
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: In the run game, you gotta keep an eye on Kyler.
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: As a runner.
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: There's so many different things to worry about this Cardinals
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: offense that if the Bills aren't disciplined, then it could
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: lead to a lot of big a lot of big plays.
• 54:54
  Speaker 5: That's very fair, And I really like this comments from
• 54:56
  Speaker 5: Larry who said Marvin Harrison Junior is if like Russ
• 54:59
  Speaker 5: and Kevin Durant had baby, and that baby played wide receiver.
• 55:01
  Speaker 5: I really like that comp that's man funny. The one
• 55:04
  Speaker 5: that really got me for Harrison was I think it
• 55:08
  Speaker 5: was their joint No, I don't think it was a
• 55:11
  Speaker 5: joint practice, but it was a clip from camp and
• 55:15
  Speaker 5: he turns this corner inside out where.
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: He ends up.
• 55:20
  Speaker 5: He has like a double move and fakes him at
• 55:22
  Speaker 5: the top of his route, but he goes to the
• 55:24
  Speaker 5: side that he peaks to and receivers usually like if
• 55:28
  Speaker 5: you stack somebody, usually like you're peeking over here, so
• 55:32
  Speaker 5: you can plant and then go back this way and
• 55:35
  Speaker 5: lose your man. But he runs his route back to
• 55:38
  Speaker 5: the side that he's peaking to, So he stacks his
• 55:41
  Speaker 5: man and leans and peaks and stabs, and then comes
• 55:46
  Speaker 5: back this way and suddenly stabs again and puts his
• 55:49
  Speaker 5: man in a blender and goes to the way he
• 55:50
  Speaker 5: peaked to. When he's wide open, like his understanding of
• 55:54
  Speaker 5: route running and leverage and deception combined with how fluid
• 55:59
  Speaker 5: of a move where he is I've said it on
• 56:01
  Speaker 5: Twitter a bunch too, Like he looks like he moves
• 56:04
  Speaker 5: in slow motion, Like he looks like he was like
• 56:05
  Speaker 5: if you told me, he ran like a five to
• 56:07
  Speaker 5: five forty, I'd be like, I believe it. Like he
• 56:09
  Speaker 5: looks like he runs so slow, but he's just separating
• 56:11
  Speaker 5: from everyone because he's just so smooth and so fluid,
• 56:15
  Speaker 5: like the figure skater lined is tremendous from you. And yeah,
• 56:18
  Speaker 5: he's such a strong one again in theory because he
• 56:21
  Speaker 5: hasn't played a snap yet, but I really like him
• 56:24
  Speaker 5: as a true one. I really like Trey McBride a
• 56:27
  Speaker 5: ton at tight end. And then that makes Michael Wilson
• 56:29
  Speaker 5: a really fun number two. He had some nice flashes
• 56:32
  Speaker 5: last year when he was like the only weapon on
• 56:34
  Speaker 5: their offense. It was like him and Rondelle Moore Hollywood
• 56:36
  Speaker 5: Brown is super up and down even though he was
• 56:38
  Speaker 5: getting some attention. But now Michael Wilson's a fun number two.
• 56:41
  Speaker 5: And then you got Doris who's just a pure burner
• 56:44
  Speaker 5: and just pure fire as like your slot dude and
• 56:46
  Speaker 5: your number three. But who's really kind of your fifth
• 56:50
  Speaker 5: option because it's Harrison and Wilson or you know, I'm sorry,
• 56:52
  Speaker 5: your fourth option because it's Harrison and Wilson. McBride is
• 56:54
  Speaker 5: your top three. And I like that from a pass
• 56:57
  Speaker 5: game perspective, but the run game, like you said, is
• 56:59
  Speaker 5: where so much of the conversation starts with the Cardinals
• 57:02
  Speaker 5: and really stirs the drink. And it's not just run
• 57:04
  Speaker 5: game like oh, because Kyler Murray scrambles, or because they
• 57:07
  Speaker 5: run like you know QB, you know bash with Kyler like, No,
• 57:10
  Speaker 5: it's the actual run game stuff like you alluded to.
• 57:13
  Speaker 5: So I pulled a bunch of data on it. Kyler
• 57:16
  Speaker 5: Murray came back in week ten last year twenty twenty three.
• 57:19
  Speaker 5: Once he returned, So from week ten on, the Cardinals
• 57:23
  Speaker 5: offense were ninth in EPA per play, thirteenth in success rate,
• 57:28
  Speaker 5: fifteenth in passing EPA per play, twentieth success rate, but
• 57:32
  Speaker 5: second in rushing EPA per play, and eleventh in rushing
• 57:36
  Speaker 5: success rate, And they had a forty three percent gap
• 57:40
  Speaker 5: run rate in that time, which was seventh fifty four
• 57:42
  Speaker 5: percent zone. They're running duo, they're running counter and a
• 57:44
  Speaker 5: lot of that is out of heavier personnel groupings, especially
• 57:48
  Speaker 5: like you talked about it, ding ding ding twelve and
• 57:51
  Speaker 5: thirteen personnel groupings last year. Again, so this is all stuff.
• 57:55
  Speaker 5: From week ten on they had an eleven percent thirteen
• 57:59
  Speaker 5: personnel usage rate, which was first in the league. They
• 58:02
  Speaker 5: had a twenty four percent twelve personnel usage rate, which
• 58:05
  Speaker 5: was ninth, so thirty three percent of the time they're
• 58:08
  Speaker 5: rolling heavy like they got tight ends on the field
• 58:10
  Speaker 5: for days. And then you look at what they did
• 58:13
  Speaker 5: in twelve and thirteen, So again this is from week
• 58:16
  Speaker 5: ten through eighteen last year. In twenty twenty three, once
• 58:19
  Speaker 5: Kyler returned twelve personnel, they were tied per first in
• 58:23
  Speaker 5: rushing EPA per attempt. They were fourth in rushing positive
• 58:27
  Speaker 5: play percentage of forty eight point four percent. Just running
• 58:30
  Speaker 5: back runs they were fourth in EPA per attempt, seventh
• 58:35
  Speaker 5: in positive play percentage thirteen personnel, ninth in EPA per
• 58:39
  Speaker 5: attempt tenth impositive play percentage. Also keep in mind within
• 58:43
  Speaker 5: that not a ton of teams run thirteen, so there's
• 58:45
  Speaker 5: teams ahead of them that only had like one rep
• 58:48
  Speaker 5: or like four reps, which heavily skews the sample size.
• 58:51
  Speaker 5: If you take just running back runs from thirteen personnel,
• 58:54
  Speaker 5: they were seventh in EPA per attempt tenth impositive play percentage.
• 58:57
  Speaker 5: And mixed into all of that you had James Connor,
• 59:01
  Speaker 5: who had one of the most underrated and underappreciated twenty
• 59:04
  Speaker 5: twenty threes of anyone, per Sports Info solutions. His ranking
• 59:08
  Speaker 5: amongst forty nine running backs that had at least one
• 59:11
  Speaker 5: hundred carries last year, he was third in EPA per attempt,
• 59:14
  Speaker 5: third in rushing EPA sixth and yards per attempt, third
• 59:18
  Speaker 5: in yards per game, first in yards after contact per attempt,
• 59:22
  Speaker 5: fourth in broken tackles plus misstackles forced per attempt, and
• 59:26
  Speaker 5: six in first down percentage. They get into twelve and
• 59:31
  Speaker 5: thirteen and they use that run game to set the
• 59:34
  Speaker 5: table for the past, like you said, but they'll just
• 59:37
  Speaker 5: run it. They'll run it down your throat and then
• 59:39
  Speaker 5: they will get into like having those bodies attached to
• 59:42
  Speaker 5: the line, and it functions so well with what they do,
• 59:45
  Speaker 5: like they want to run counter, they want to run duo,
• 59:49
  Speaker 5: and they get creative with it. They want to run
• 59:51
  Speaker 5: split zone, which they can because you got Trey McBride.
• 59:54
  Speaker 5: And then if you really want to get heavy again,
• 59:56
  Speaker 5: you pull out f again. Tip Ryman, who's six foot
• 59:59
  Speaker 5: four and seven, it's basically six ' five. He's a
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 5: six five, two hundred and seventy one pound tight end.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 5: That two hundred and seventy one pounds is the ninety
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 5: fifth percentile for weight for a tight end. He his
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 5: hand size is ten and a half ninety first percentile.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 5: And then as athleticism stuff, he runs a one point
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 5: five to five ten yard split ninety first percentile, a
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 5: four six four forty seventy eight percentile, a one hundred
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 5: and twenty one inch broad jump eighty second percentile. His
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 5: three cone and the twenty yard shuttle we're both in
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 5: the seventy seventh percentile. And then despite the fact that
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 5: he's a big dude, not the longest arms, but he
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 5: was in the ninety fifth percentile for bench press. So
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 5: he's an athletic good a good and short space, short
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 5: burst type of dude who wants to run through your
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 5: face like you mentioned. And he's like the tight end three,
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 5: but also might be the tight end two if they
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 5: really want to mash. Trey McBride has no problem trying
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 5: to block you. He is a willing blocker. His technique
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 5: isn't the cleanest or the prettiest, but he has more
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 5: than willing he will mash against you. And then as
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 5: a receiver, not the cleanest route runner, not a ton
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 5: of dissumption in his stems or a ton of suddenness.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 5: He's just big and athletic and fluid, and he has
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 5: no problem getting you. Just he will attack the cushion
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 5: of a safety or a linebacker in an instant and
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 5: instead of trying to put a move on you, he's
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 5: just gonna run through your shoulder, like if he's running
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 5: a corner route, there's no suddenness and let me do
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 5: a rocker step and beat him. He's gonna run right
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 5: at your midline and then he's gonna run through your
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 5: outside shoulder and you're not gonna have the strength to
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 5: catch him in catch man or like try and slow
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 5: him down, or he's gonna have the speed to pull
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 5: away from you. Like there's a rep I tweeted against
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 5: the Falcons where he's running away from Grant. They're one
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 5: safety literally on that corner route and he runs through
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 5: the outside shoulder and Grant literally pulls his jersey to
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 5: pull him and it does nothing. McBride just runs through
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 5: and detaches. Like their run game out of twelve and
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 5: thirteen is serious. James Connor is a good running back.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 5: They have a good run game aside from Kyler Murray.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 5: Just the run game by itself. But then if you
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 5: start to mix in the RPOs, Kyler becomes really dangerous
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 5: if he can run like instead of just your running counter.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 5: If they're running like counter read and you're really committing
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 5: because they're getting it, you encounter all of a sudden
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 5: if you crash down too much off that edge, Kyler's
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 5: pulling it and it's an easy seven or eight yards quick.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 5: Their conversation really starts twelve and thirteen. Their ability to
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 5: run the ball so well out of it. But then
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 5: like you said, pass out of it. And then when
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 5: you add in Marvin Harrison, if you're going single high
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 5: or trying to stack the box because they're running it
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 5: down your throat with twelve and thirteen and it's condensed.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: Cool.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 5: You got Marvin Harrison is your wide receiver out there.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 5: And then it's a lot on Benford and Douglas to
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 5: cover in one on one, which is a fun matchup
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 5: because I think very highly of Rasul Douglas end of
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 5: Christian Benford. Again, it's just another fun schematic piece that
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 5: really starts to sell this conversation.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: So of course it's a.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: Very limited sample size, but I'll pull in some stats
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: for Kyler Murray on all Design QB runs or non
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: scramble QB runs at twelve person n when he came back,
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: his broken tackle and miss tackle ray is twenty eight
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: point six, which led the NFL.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: That is a that's hard dude to tackle. I think
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: what you said about tip Ryman and Trey McBride, they
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: are so.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 2: McBride is an effort blocker. I don't think he is
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: a great blocker, but he's gonna give one hundred percent effort. Yes,
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: tip Ryman snatch trap a defensive lineman is There's a
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: rep of him called uh there's a rep of him
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: against the Colts in the preseason this year where he
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: snatch traps alignment.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 5: He's doing his college tape. I was thinking one of
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 5: the reps at Illinois. I forget who they were.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: It was.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 5: I don't damn like you remember. Yeah, he's pulling out
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 5: snatch traps a tight end. That's what attracted me to him.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 5: I was like, Oh, this dude can really block. This
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 5: is fun.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he is limited as a pass catcher,
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: but if you remember Jeff Swain, that's tip Ryman. That
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: is a tip Ryman player. He is going to be
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: the guy in twelve and thirteen personnel they bring out
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: and they want to match people. Another guy that Bills
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: fans shouldn't forget about is Elijah Higgins at tight end again,
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: former receiver at Stanford, made the transition to tight end
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: at the.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: Senior Bowl during the draft process.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: But he is another one of those guys where again
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: former receiver playing tight end. You know what he's in
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: there for. He's again not a great blocker, but he
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: is so good at just the renuanced parts of receiving
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: because he's a former receiver. So now you have all
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: these versatile, dynamic pieces and now you can truly play
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: the matchup game or if the defensive side to stack
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: the box, just play io ball with Marvin Harrison Junior
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: or Trey McBride and then you let those guys win.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: So the Bills defending twelve personnel is going to be
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: the biggest question for me because that is where this
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: game is probably going to be won.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 5: I love that point. Yeah, And I went back and
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 5: forth on like different titles for like labeling it because
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 5: I was like I started out again, I just labeled
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 5: it like, oh, you know, I start with the title first.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 5: I was like, okay, you know, slowing down there RPO
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 5: and run game, and then as I went through, I'm like,
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 5: it's really just their twelve and thirteen personnel, and like
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 5: how do you stop twelve and thirteen? And you know,
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 5: your point about the second level ties into my last point,
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 5: So I'm keeping that in the holster until I go
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 5: for that. But yeah, it's it's it's such an important part.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 5: And again it's a really fun piece. Given what the
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 5: Bills look like at the second and third level this
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 5: year and how they fight a team trying to go
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 5: twelve or thirteen, it forces the Bills to have to
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 5: answer some questions that in previous years they already had
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 5: the answers for based on who they had at linebacker
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 5: and who they had at safety. That conversation changed a
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 5: little bit as well. So I think that's a great point,
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 5: and I like, yeah, that's funny that we also that's
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 5: funny that we're kind of in lockstep with our first
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 5: and second points.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's it's something I think the Bills again
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: with Matt Milano, they had the answers. Now without Matt Milano,
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think Sumershorts Track great site if you
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: want to get into daymation tendencies.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: The Bills finished last season twenty.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: Six in EPA per play allowed out on defense against
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: twelve personnel. They were great defending the pass out of
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: twelve personnel negative point twenty five EPA per pass defended.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: That is second in the NFL.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: EPA per carry point oh one, which is third worst
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: in the NFL. Like you, they know what they want
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: to do out of that twelve personnel, and I think
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: a lot of it is because and this is no
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: fault of his own, but Taron Johnson is the forced player.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: He is the most important player in this because he
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: is the guy that's going to be the backside player.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: He is the nickel. He is the Buddha Baker, but
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: they have Buddha Baker walked up.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: You know, as much as I love how disciplined the
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: Bills defense is, it's kind of that thing where if
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: you motion Taron Johnson out, you got to got you
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: got two linebackers in there that aren't exactly who I
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: Terrel Bernard, I'm still we're still wondering about if the
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: guys are going to be able to play consistently emotion
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: Teraron Johnson back in love Taron Johnson.
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: He's one hundred and ninety pounds. You can't. He can't
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: consistently take those hits.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: But I say that and Taron Johnson is still one
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: of my favorite players to watch on the Bills. So
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: defending the run out of twelve personnel is going to
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: be really interesting for me to watch Buffalo's defense. And
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: I think with as much thirteen personnel as they kind of,
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: I don't think they see a lot of it. They
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: see a lot of it last year, but.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 5: Not a lot of teams run it, like not a
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 5: ton of teams are being like, yeah, thirteen personnel is
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 5: one of our things.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we're not throwing this back to two thousand and six.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: But in out of thirteenth personnel, the Bills finished twenty
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: third in.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: EPA play overall.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: Again allowed negative point two nine EPA for a past,
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: which is great.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: Phenomenal, and zero point one eight epa per run.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: So you're seeing the breakup, you're seeing this flip for
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: the Bills defense. They are great against the past in
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: those situations, but it gets the run where it's like, Okay,
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: now we're starting to get a little more question marks.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: And again, is not having Matt Milana going to be
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: a bigger, a big problem as it was last year.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 5: See yeah, man, So that's well, all right, so I
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 5: know you have your third point. I'm gonna go with
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 5: my third point first because it literally ties into that.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 5: So well, So my third point, I just label it
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 5: Dorian Williams because that's the linebacker that's stepping in for
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 5: Matt Malonnald. But it ties into just the second level
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 5: play in general. So Dorian Williams athleticism, long arms, physically
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 5: looks the part of a starting linebacker in the NFL,
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 5: and he moves very well. Like you just you look
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 5: at him, You're like, oh, that dou belongs in the NFL.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 5: But from a coverage and processing standpoint, he still isn't
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 5: there yet, or at the very least he hasn't been
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 5: there yet as of his performance last year or even
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 5: in the preseason this year. Like just coming in, I
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 5: always say, just in case there's a new person watching
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 5: and they're like, what do you mean he's not there.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 5: Tulane is the college he went to. They basically play
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 5: Madden coverages. It's a spot drop defense. It's just like, hey,
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 5: you're supposed to go to this zone. So on the snap,
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 5: turn go to that space. Look, turner back around, look
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 5: to see if anybody's there, and there's your guy. Like,
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 5: it's not a very pro ready scheme or system. There's
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 5: not a lot of match coverage. It's just very spot
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 5: drop Maden based type of zone stuff, and even some
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 5: of that this preseason, like the depth that he was
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 5: getting to. Or you know, if he's he's the flat
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 5: defender in cover three and sink, it's like third and
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 5: twelve or thirteen, it's in that game against the Bears
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 5: instead of I'm sorry, yeah, it is that game and
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 5: he's the flat defender, but it's like third and thirteen,
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 5: third and fourteen instead of sinking and staying under DJ
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 5: Moore there on the hook technically, because he has the
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 5: flat he sees the running back leagueing out of the
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 5: backfield and he bites to go onto the running back
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 5: and then Caleb Williams hits Dj Moore because there's nobody
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 5: in that spot anymore, and it's just like you don't
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 5: need to come flying up. That's a no cover zone.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 5: My man leave the running back. If he catches it,
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 5: we rally and tackle and it ends up being fourth
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 5: and four and they pump the ball, so he's still learning.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 5: From a coverage standpoint, and even from a processing standpoint,
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 5: you can game him up with window dressing and eye candy,
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 5: get him flowing the wrong way, or get him distracted
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 5: and get him to bite where he shouldn't be biting,
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 5: and to kind of continue the conversation. If I'm the
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 5: Cardinals and I know how much success I had last
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 5: year in twelve and thirteen, and I know the Bills
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 5: defense is missing arguably their best player who plays linebacker,
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 5: I am living in two or more tight end sets
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 5: for a significant portion of the game. I am going
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 5: to force Dorian Williams to have to account for the
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 5: run in the past. I'm going to run concepts that
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 5: already worked for US counter and split zone and duo,
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 5: but then also try and manipulate him in the run.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 5: I'm also going to tie in RPOs. I'm going to
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 5: put in play action. I'm going to run duo and
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 5: see how gaps sound he is. I'm going to do
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 5: everything I can to mislead him to get him thinking
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 5: and trying to process and taking the bait. And it
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 5: also ties into some of the questions I have as
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 5: far as like what resources do they have to allocate
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 5: to cover Trey McBride because on paper, I like him
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 5: versus anyone they have at safety from a size and
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 5: athleticism standpoint, I'm okay with Mike Edwards against him, even
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 5: if Cole Bishop plays. We literally have no idea what
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 5: Cole Bishop's going to look like in the NFL because
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 5: it's his first NFL game experience, He's been hurt all preseason,
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 5: hasn't played it down. And then at that second level,
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 5: like you talked about, you have Bernard, you have Taron Johnson,
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 5: You've got Dorian Williams. I think Bernard and Taron Johnson
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 5: both present a battle in terms of that matchup against
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 5: Trey McBride. But what happens if Dorrian Williams has to
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 5: go up against McBride, if Arizona tries to isolate McBride
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 5: on Williams, or even against James Connor or Trey Benson
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 5: coming out of the backfield in the past, but more
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 5: so like if the Bills are forced to account for
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 5: McBride by having a match with Taron Johnson or Terrell Bernard,
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 5: which is still a hard matchup because Trey McBride is
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 5: phenomenal and has size and athleticism, then things to start
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 5: to start to get muddy schematically, as far as alignment,
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 5: as far as run fits, as far as tells, and
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 5: then all the vulnerabilities that then stem from that because
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 5: you're forced to kind of play your hand a little bit.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 5: And I just think that second level is so important
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 5: in this game. Also because, like you mentioned of Taron Johnson,
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 5: I love Terran. I think he's been arguably like the
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 5: most important player on the Bills defense the past couple
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 5: of years with how the league has been, because how
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 5: good he is in coverage in man an zone like
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 5: and if anybody doesn't believe it, watch him cover Ceed
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 5: Lamb one on one against Dallas last year and lock
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 5: him up for a heavy majority of that game. But
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 5: then he played like he's one hundred ninety pounds, like
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 5: he said, But he plays linebacker like he thinks he's
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 5: Levon Kirkland from like the Steelers in the nineties, Like
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 5: he thinks he's like six to two hundred and eighty pounds.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 5: And that's how he plays linebacker, and he come he
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 5: has He plays a reckless abandon like he will take
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 5: on a pulling guard. He has no problem fitting the run.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 5: But there's a certain point where that size is just
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 5: too much. And again going up like I love tarn,
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 5: but that's a hard matchup, going like, say he has
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 5: to go up against Tim Raymond. Raymond's like six five,
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 5: two hundred and seventy eight pounds or two hundred seventy one.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 5: That's huge. That's a big mismatch from a size and
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 5: frame standpoint, that forces you to have to win with
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 5: like quickness and trying to dip and bend around. But
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 5: then that also potentially opens up a gap and then
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 5: is somebody replacing you in that fit before you can
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 5: kind of are you taking a risk? Are you moving
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 5: out of your gap too much? It just adds a
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 5: lot schematically, and then say you're like, okay, you know
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 5: what They're going a lot of twelve and thirteen this game.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 5: Let's go base, right, Let's put three linebackers on the field.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 5: You're already down to your third linebacker and Dorrian Willie.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 5: So are you taking Taron Johnson off the field to
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 5: put on Nicholas Moreau? Are you putting on Balen Spector
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 5: if he's healthy. Are you putting on Joe Andreeson who
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 5: lit it up in the preseason like, none of those options,
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 5: even though they're bigger bodies than they play linebacker, none
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 5: of those dudes are really a better option than Taron Johnson.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 5: You don't have a traditional big safety because you've already
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 5: got wrapped on the field. And then if there's Edwards,
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 5: maybe do you go with Cole Bishop like or Hamlin
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 5: if he's healthy. The safety room is money with injuries
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 5: in general, but from a skill perspective that doesn't really
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 5: like work. I think the second level point out by
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 5: you was such a good call out because of how
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 5: it ties into how the Cardinals want to attack you,
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 5: what the Cardinals want to do, and then again for me,
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 5: it ties into just yeah, that Dorny and Williams aspect
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 5: like it. I fear the Cardinals being able to run
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 5: the ball a little bit and then just go and
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 5: play action once and Dorny Williams getting sucked in and
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 5: Trey McBride's open over the middle of the field for
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 5: like twenty five yards because there's only so much And
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 5: I know some people in the chat when we talked
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 5: about it earlier, Bills fans are extreme high on trel Bernard.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 5: They think he should have been an All Pro linebacker
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 5: last year. They don't care about the one year sample size.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 5: Bernard is like a godsend and I think he did
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 5: play very well, but there's only so much he can do.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 5: This isn't like, oh well, we don't have to worry
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 5: about McBride like Bernard has them or even Taron Johnson
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 5: has them. You can find a way to get Dorriyan
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 5: Williams on Trey McBride if you are the Cardinals, and
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 5: even if you like don't, there are other ways where
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 5: you can be attacked in that central part of the field.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 5: And it's so important, especially against the team that wants
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 5: to live in the run and the past with heavier
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 5: personnel groupings that naturally put you into a bune. So
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 5: that's why I wanted to lead off with my third
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 5: point because it just ties right in. I'm just focused
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 5: on Dorry and Williams and how much of a how
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 5: much of a factor is he positively or negatively in
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 5: this game because he plays up the snuff and mitigates
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 5: Malonald's absence, or because he continues to be a vulnerability
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 5: as far as processing I manipulation, and then even some
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 5: of his run fits stuff because even too right like,
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 5: if he is that will linebacker, you're still important on Duo.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 5: I know Duo was reading that front side middle linebacker.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 5: Your fit still has to be key off the back
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 5: end because if there's too much displacement, running backs will
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 5: cut it back through that B gap that you are
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 5: not in or through that backside if you don't fit properly.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 5: So I just think a lot of it's going to
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 5: come down to that point. So that's kind of why
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 5: I want to decide it.
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 2: I wonder how Bobby Babbach is going to insulate Dorian
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: Williams throughout this game.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: Ah, He's going to.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: Add layers to that defense in order to kind of
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: protect him not only from missteps and coverage, but missteps
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 2: and fitting the run. You know, we talked about it
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 2: with the Cardinals three safety defense. They're able to insulate
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: a guy like Kazira White, who is a bit more
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: of a run and chase guy than a true mic.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 2: You're able to insulate him by having Buddha Baker on
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 2: the backside. If he overruns it, he's right there waiting
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: for the ball.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 5: And if Kaysier is wrong, Buddha makes him right and
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 5: it just fits.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you have a guy that makes him right.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 2: So I wonder if this is going to be a
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 2: game where maybe you spin a safety down next to
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: Dorian Williams to kind of help insulate him against the run,
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 2: especially out of twelve to thirteen personnel.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: And I know that they want to pass.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: It out of I know the Cardinals in twelve personnel
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 2: through the ball like fift three percent of the time.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: But you want to try and help him out a
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: little bit against the run because if you don't want
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: him to overstep, you don't want him to overthink. It's
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 2: going to come up in my next point, my final
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: point for this game, but you don't want to make
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: oversteps or missteps against this Cardinals team. So I wonder
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: how Babbage is going to insulate Williams in this game
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 2: and how much he's going to spin a safety down
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: in order to kind of help him out a little bit.
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 5: I think it's a good point too, like cause that,
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 5: like my last little point with it was just like, yeah,
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 5: how much how much single coverage do we see in
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 5: this game, both from like a not even necessarily from
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 5: like a pre snap look, but just from like a
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 5: post snap like actual like cover, like when we're looking
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 5: back at forget about even though it's the name of
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 5: the show, forget about the disguise coverage and like everything
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 5: they're doing pre to post when it comes down to it,
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 5: like what coverages were they playing in this game? How
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 5: much cover two do they play? How much cover four
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 5: did they play? How much one? How much three? Like
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 5: how much are they spinning? Exactly to your point, because
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 5: they one want to help insulate Dornian or even just
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 5: two and they fit the run against this Cardinals team,
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 5: especially when they go twelve and thirteen. Can they fit
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 5: that run while maintaining a too high shelf or two
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 5: high coverage structures? Like how comfortable are they? And in
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 5: years past, even if their front seven was getting gouged
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 5: a little bit, you just had the utmost confidence in
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 5: Mike Hyde and Jordan poy are fitting the run from depth,
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 5: Like you could get gouged and they would just come
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 5: flying down. It could be quarters and they could come
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 5: flying down and it'd be second and seven or second
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 5: and six because they fit wrapped it up in a
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 5: nice little boon and you're good to go a little
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 5: bit different last year with you know, I think some
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 5: both of them showed kind of the miles on the
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 5: tires a little bit. But do you feel that same
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 5: way about Taylor Rap, Do you feel that same way
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 5: about Mike Edwards? Are you ready to feel that way
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 5: about Cole Bishop? Like there's questions in that safety room
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 5: which also tie into the questions with Dorian Williams, which
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 5: then tie into the coverage structures you're playing. And like
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 5: you know, and I hope everybody watching the show notes,
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 5: because I say it all the time, the coverages that
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 5: you play are dependent upon how you fit the run,
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 5: because you can't play certain coverages if you can't fit
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 5: the run with certain fronts that you have. If you
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 5: are not comfortable fitting with your front seven, guess what,
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 5: you can't run a ton of quarters in a ton
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 5: of cover two because you need a safety down in
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 5: that box. And I'm not talking about showing a two
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 5: high look pre snap and rotating to single high posts.
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 5: I'm not saying that. I'm talking about what coverage is
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 5: you actually playing, because if you have to commit a
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 5: safety to the box, either pre or post snap, that
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 5: means you're living in a cover three cover one world.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 5: That also pairs well if an offense wants to run
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 5: play action and throw some overs at you or attack
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 5: the seams with their really athletic tight end. That works
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 5: a little bit. I don't know if anybody knows. This
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 5: works a little bit against Cover three especially and even
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 5: Cover one depending if you have a you know, year
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 5: two linebacker who gets manipulated at times. It just it
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 5: opens them up, like from a vulnerability standpoint. I think
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 5: that's where if the Cardinals get it working, it's because
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 5: they're able to run the ball out of twelve and thirteen,
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 5: and then they're able to pass it. Because the Bills
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 5: are not able to match without walking a safety down
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 5: and committing more. And then they're opening themselves up between
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 5: the second and third level and guys are getting gouged
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 5: from that standpoint.
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  Speaker 2: And not only is that a problem where you know
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 2: you have to spend safety down, but again, if you
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 2: spind a safety down.
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: They throw it.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 2: You are leaving those corners isolated in one on one situations. Again,
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 2: I understand that he is a rookie and has not
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 2: played a single meaningful down of NFL football, but I
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 2: do not want to leave Marvin Harrison junior isolated situation.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and I like, I loved I think Douglas and
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 5: Benford are very underrated corner tandement in the NFL, mainly
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 5: because of Benford. I don't think a lot of people
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 5: nationally like appreciate how good he is or what he
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 5: can do. And so I say this as a person
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 5: who's very confident in both of them. Yeah, no, he's
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 5: a rookie. That's a big test. Like I don't know
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 5: if I want to one on one cover him with like anybody, like,
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 5: it's just let alone. I should say consistently, like I
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 5: don't want to be in a world where I'm consistently
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 5: running single coverage of that side. And even if it
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 5: is zone if somebody wants to say, like yeah, but
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 5: you can run zone or you can run in still,
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 5: if you're in cover three, you're in the deep third.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 5: And if he's that single receiver to that side, it's
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 5: essentially like isolated coverage, like you're by yourself on an island.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 5: It might not be it might be a different technique
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 5: or you know how you're bailing or what you're doing
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 5: from a foot nine and shoulder standpoint, but it's essentially
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 5: an isolated situation. And yeah it's man, it just you.
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 5: It starts to open up, so many questions based on
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 5: how the Cardinals operate and how the Bill's defense is built,
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 5: the questions that the Bills defense has. The Cardinals offense
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 5: has the capability to really the questions that the Bills have,
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 5: the questions that the Bill's defense has to answer. The
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 5: Cardinals really how how they're built. Their offense has the
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 5: capability to just really kick that door down and make
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 5: them have to answer it, like right away, Like, Hey,
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 5: are you confident in your two new safeties? Hey, are
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 5: you confident in the guy that's re placing Dorian Williams? Hey,
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 5: do you guys have answers for when teams want to
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 5: go heavier against you like the Chiefs did at times,
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 5: you know, the past couple of years. Okay, you have
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 5: those answers. Cool, because we're gonna make you have to
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 5: have those answers right away out of the gate in
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 5: Week one because that's how we play football. And it's
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 5: just again that's from a fan perspective, it might be like,
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 5: oh no, but from a schematic conversation, it's like, man,
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 5: this is really fun, Like it's just a good it's
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 5: just a good matchup. Yeah, I like that a lot.
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 5: All Right, your third point unless you have if you
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 5: have something else you want to add on to that.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: So this is my third point, and I'm gonna sound
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 2: like a boomer and this is my most old man take.
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 2: It is one word tackling, tackling and off art form
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 2: in football, because everybody wants to go for a big hit,
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 2: everybody wants to go for the highlight reel, everybody wants
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 2: to make TikTok, and all of a sudden you get
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 2: thrown off and you end up on somebody.
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 5: Else, especially especially because you said, like I know how
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 5: you met it by supposely because you said the TikTok
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 5: it was such a good boober piece. Like everybody wants
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 5: to be on the Instagram and the TikTok.
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 1: Everybody wants to be on. Wants to be on TikTok.
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 2: Everybody wants to be on the little reels that get
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 2: posted on Twitter and get thousands of views. You end
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 2: up not not wrapping up and bringing your feet. You
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 2: gonna end up on somebody else's highlight reading. You will
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 2: end up on their tape. The reason I bring this
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 2: up is because the Cardinals are an incredibly difficult team
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 2: to tackle. You brought up James Connor among all running
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 2: backs with at least fifty carries. Last season, James Connor
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 2: was tied for first and yards after contact for attempt
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 2: he was fit in the NFL and broken tackle slash
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 2: mistackle ring he you better bring your hard hat trying
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 2: to tackle him. And then behind him is Trey Benson,
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 2: who at Florida State would run through so many arm tackles.
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 2: And it's again why the second level is so important.
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 2: And these young guys again, you're gonna you're gonna have
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 2: to tackle, You're gonna have to get hit, You're gonna
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 2: have to make those plays against these dudes in space.
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 2: We talked about Trey McBride fifth and yards after the
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 2: catch total in the NFL. We talked about Kyler Murray
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 2: and his ability to make guys miss. He is not
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 2: the biggest guy, but he is fast and he is quick.
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 2: He is going to make guys miss. Tackling is gonna
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 2: be such an important part of this game, not only
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 2: for the Bill's defense, for the Bills offense.
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 1: Like I said earlier, we're talking about the Cardinals defense.
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 2: They allow the They allow the second most yards at
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 2: the second level of any team in the NFL. Last
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 2: year do you if you can make them miss tackles
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 2: in the second level of course, to get past the
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 2: safety group, which is their best position group. But you
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 2: know it is going to Tackling is going to be
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 2: the biggest issue, especially it is the first game of
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 2: the season, like Jason said, it is the first game
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 2: of the season. First two weeks, you're you're getting back
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 2: in the foot ball like. It is a lot different
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 2: tackling somebody with a different helmet on, like.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: You're not wearing the same helmet, same jersey.
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 5: Especially with how like training camp practices are different now
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 5: and you don't have as many padded practices and there's
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 5: not a lot of contact, let alone like live hitting
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 5: and live tackling. It again, I'm gonna sound like a boomer,
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 5: but it's like, you know, back in my day, we
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 5: had two a days and everybody hit everybody and you
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 5: knew how to tack them. Though it's like it's not
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 5: like that anymore.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 2: Like it, Tackling is going to be the biggest aspect
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 2: for the Bills outside of the true schematics of the game,
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 2: because if you cannot tackle these guys, they will.
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: Turn a three yard game into a ten yard play.
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: Like you you better bring everything with.
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 2: You when you try and tackle James Connor because he
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 2: will run you over.
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 5: He takes pride like that's like a prideful thing for him,
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 5: like he he wants to go through you, and you
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 5: know what's a cool thing too, And like watching some
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 5: of the Cardinals tape, like there's one that sticks in
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 5: my head, like he I think it's like a fourth
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 5: and two and he gets it, but Jesse Bates like
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 5: pops him, and Connor gets like three or four yards
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 5: but Baits like pops him and drops him, and Connor
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 5: just gives him a nice pet like yo, man, I
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 5: could hit. And then like two plays later, Connor runs through.
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 5: He said, I think it's a mid zone run or no,
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 5: it's just yeah, inside zone readoption. But he cuts it
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 5: back and so the defensive end stood like stayed with Kyler,
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 5: So Kyler handed it off to Connor. Connor cuts it
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 5: back to that side, so the defensive end chases him
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 5: and Connor like stiff arms him to the ground and
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 5: a grant of the Falcons aren't the best defense from
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 5: an individual town standpoint, but he stiff arms the defensive
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 5: end of the ground, runs through the linebacker, runs through
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 5: runs through the slot corner, and then Bates comes down
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 5: and Jesse Bates is phenomenal. Baits gets like on his
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 5: back and Connor carries him for a couple more yards,
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 5: and then two dudes have to come and hit Connor
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 5: and put him to the ground. Like and you know
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 5: you talked about the stats, I talked about him as well,
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 5: Like both recite basically the same thing. Like he he
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 5: made more plays as a receiver last year than I
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 5: was ready to kind of receive or understand. But a
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 5: lot of James Connor succeeding is what James Connor has
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 5: been at Pitt and with the Steelers. Like he's a
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 5: tough especially when he's healthy. He's a tough dude to
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 5: bring down. And he might not always be healthy in
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 5: week ten or eleven or twelve, but he's healthy right
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 5: now in week one, and he's fresh right now in
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 5: week one. And the Bills have been a team. You know,
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 5: this comment from RJ is saying, quote Cardinals are difficult
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 5: to tackle. Oh my god, we're losing this game, like
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 5: a common theme for the Bills the past couple of years.
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 5: Last year, I mean last year alone, they had the
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 5: tenth highest rate in terms of broken tackle and mistackle
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 5: versus the run. That doesn't even account like for the
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 5: mistackles they have when guys get the ball as like
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 5: a pass catcher. The Bills haven't been like a tremendous
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 5: tackling team. They're a very aggressive team, even just from
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 5: the front, one gap penetrating front. They fly around, they
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 5: get a lot of hats to the football, they swarm,
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 5: but from like an efficiency standpoint, they're on a tremendous
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 5: tackling team. And JP to your point, like that, I
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 5: think that's symptomatic of the league in general now, Like
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 5: tackling is kind of a lost art form in the
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 5: NFL for a multitude of reasons. But the Bills especially, yeah,
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 5: kind of our microcosm of that, Like they're not a
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 5: good tackling team. And yeah, like James Connor is a
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 5: tough dude to tackle. Trey McBride is a tough dude
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 5: to tackle once he gets the ball in his hands.
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 5: Like even Michael Wilson doesn't go down easy. Michael Wilson
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 5: won't break tackles or shake you. Greg Doors as fast
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 5: as hell, like you talked about Kyler Murray, Like Trey
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 5: Benson you mentioned as well, like, if anybody hasn't watched
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 5: Trey Benson, just go watch it. I hate saying this
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 5: because I think highlights are a lie, but a lot
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 5: of his highlights are not. Just like, wow, look how
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 5: fast he is. Trey Benson is running through dudes and
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 5: then like kicking it into high gear and pulling off
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 5: like a sixty yard run. So they've got you. You
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 5: don't run twelve and thirteen personnel if you're not comfortable
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 5: with your running backs mashing and getting through dudes faces,
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 5: chest shoulders, falling forward, getting yards after contact. And so yeah,
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 5: it's very much like, not only do you have to
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 5: worry about the schematic element of Okay, how are our fits? Okay,
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 5: how vulnerable are we against the pass out of this? Okay,
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 5: let's keep an eye out for the play action all
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 5: the schematic elements there. But then also just from an
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 5: individual standpoint, when you get to James Connor, you have
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 5: to tackle James Connor, you have to tackle Trey Benson,
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 5: you have to tackle Kyler Murray. And it's all different, right,
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 5: Like Benson has speed but also physicality. Connor is more
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 5: just physicality. Kyler doesn't have physicality, but he's such a
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 5: jitterbug in space. So it's all different levels of how
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 5: they can present missed and broken tackles, and you have
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 5: to count for all of it at the tackle point
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 5: and or in space. Who like it's a challenge and
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 5: again it's fun from a schematic conversation.
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 2: Reminds me of a story I don't remember who did
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 2: the story back when Lamar was first Like tearing up
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 2: the NFL, you can try and mimic Lamar in practice
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 2: with a wide receiver or a running back however you
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 2: ever often you want.
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 1: It's different when you hit the game.
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 2: It's it's the Mike Tyson like everybody has a plan
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 2: till they get punched in the mouth, like it we got.
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 2: You have a plan s gramatically to stop the run.
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 2: Then you gotta go do it. You gotta go hit
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 2: for the mouth. And it does bring up another point
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 2: where again you you have to bring him. You gotta
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 2: hit him, you gotta, you have to. You cannot miss tackles.
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 1: It's the biggest thing.
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 5: And if you if you are like you gotta swarm,
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 5: you gotta bring two or three hats to the ball
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 5: every time, because if you miss one you're and you
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 5: know you don't have bodies coming with you, then it's
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 5: gonna exploite that or expand that kind of negative for you.
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 2: It's it's such an interesting thing because I think Kyler
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 2: and the Cardinals have kind of course developed this mantra
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 2: being more of a finesse team.
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but no, no, they.
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 5: Are mean their smash mouth man.
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, lash mouth. They want to be more physical than you.
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 2: And then they they have their fun in James Connor
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 2: and Trey Benson and Kyler is the lightning. Like it's
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 2: very much like the thunder lightning running back duo. They
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 2: have thunder in Benson backs like they both their running
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 2: backs are thunder.
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: You gotta worry about getting hit every.
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 2: Single time with James Connor Lauren's shoulder, and then Kyler's
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 2: gonna pull it and now you have to tackle Kyler
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 2: Murray in space. So as much as I say, like
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 2: the schematics are gonna be so important in this game,
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 2: you have to tackle, and tackling is such a big thing,
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 2: especially early in the season.
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: Of course, it gets ironed out as you get more reps,
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: but you.
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 2: Have to be able to tackle. It goes the same
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 2: way for the Bill's offense. You gotta make people miss,
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 2: and it is going to be huge for this specific
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 2: version of the Bill's offense to make people miss after
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 2: the catch because you are not getting the downfield passing
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 2: as much. You have to you have to be able
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 2: to turn those three yard catches in the city yard games.
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 2: It is the It's the biggest reason why it's one
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 2: of the biggest reasons why the Niners offense works so well
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 2: is because they have like seven different dudes who can
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 2: turn negative games in the eight yard kid eight yard
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 2: carries or eight yard catches. They got like twelve of
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 2: them dudes, and the Bills is trending towards that. I mean, yeah,
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 2: you go get Curtis Samuel because he can do that.
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 2: You get Keyon Coleman because ke On Coleman is great
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 2: after the catch and at the catch point.
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 1: I think Duntkin Kaid is a little slip. He's slippery
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 1: after test like hen test at the combine.
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 2: So we don't really know his shoe numbers, but he
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 2: is he is the uh, he is the traditional. His
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 2: forty time is always faster than you like. That's that's
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 2: all that matters. He doesn't have to be fast, like
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 2: you don't have to be track fast, but all he
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 2: has to be in that moment is faster than you.
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 2: And of course trying to tackle Josh Allen is a problem.
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 2: I mean we've known that for the longest time. It's
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 2: like trying to tackle a bull moose, you know, it's
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 2: tackling and forcing people to miss tackles for this Bill's
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 2: offense is going to be huge because that is their
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 2: efficiency on offense. The run game is their efficiency on offense.
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 2: The quick passing, the underneath passing is their efficiency.
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 1: You'll get the occasional Josh Allen rainbow down.
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 2: The field, but this team is going to be built
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 2: on making guys miss and being able to out physical
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 2: and out muscle teams. So tackling and miss enforcing miss
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 2: tackles is going to be a big barometer this year
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 2: for what the Bills want to be. And I'm going
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 2: excited thinking about this game because, like you said, it
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 2: is such a good introduction into what the twenty twenty
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 2: four Bills are going to be, especially on the offensive
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 2: side of the ball.
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah, super well said, Yeah, I completely agree. And it's
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 5: and you know, especially two in like week one, right,
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 5: like you said, in a couple of comments in the chat,
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 5: said it right, like, you know, it's the first game,
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 5: you're rusty, you're not in like the best like technique
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 5: and everything, but also like you might not be not
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 5: even might you're probably not in game shape as well.
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 5: So what is it like late in the third quarter
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 5: or in the fourth quarter when you're starting to get tired.
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 5: It's that much harder to tackle Kyler Murray in space
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 5: or Josh Allen at any point, it's that much harder
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 5: to bring down James Connor or Trey Benson or Trey
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 5: McBride or James Connor I'm sorry, James Connor or James
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 5: Cook or Ray Davis or Kean Coleman or Kinkaid. Like,
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 5: how do we start to see that for both defenses
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 5: and both offenses? How do we see that play out early?
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 5: But then also what do we see the ramifications of
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 5: that late? That also ties into the run game as well,
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 5: because when you've been getting leaned on in the run
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 5: game for two and a half or three quarters and
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 5: it's week one, you're already gonna start to get tired
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 5: in the fourth quarter. Just because it's week one, you're
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 5: not in game shape yet. But if you're getting run
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 5: on as well, it's even that happens even more so.
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 5: And with both offenses, you're if you're trying to chase
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 5: Kyler Murray and Josh Allen around, you're getting even more
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 5: tired because you're trying to do more. Like there's it's
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 5: so funny how each of these teams kind of mirror
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 5: each other offensively with how they want to set their
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 5: foundation and then what the plan is to build upon,
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 5: you know, going forward, and how they put the rest
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 5: of the house together. And yeah, just that that I
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 5: like you that was very well said by you, like
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 5: the physical element for this Bill's offense this year, because
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 5: I think a lot of people think of physical like, oh,
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 5: like you get a big running back and you want
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 5: to like run it down someone's throat. Like it's not
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 5: just run game elements. It's physical from like in yards
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 5: after catch, standpoint and a lot of the yards after
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 5: catch that they're going to have that that includes the
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 5: physical element, Like that's where that comes from. And physical
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 5: just doesn't mean running through somebody. It's the physical ability
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 5: to generate yards after a catch. Maybe you shake a
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 5: d or run through an arm tackle. Maybe there's a
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 5: more traditional like contact physical element to it. But it's
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 5: a physical element nonetheless, And yeah, it's gonna be so
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 5: important for this team because like like you said this,
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 5: this Bill's defense isn't Bill's offense, I should say, isn't
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 5: built for Like, yeah, Josh Allen's gonna average def The
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 5: target's gonna be like fourteen yards this year, and they're
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 5: gonna be slating it. This is gonna be like an
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 5: Al Davis Raiders offense where they're just chucking it downfield
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 5: as much as they can. Now, Like they're gonna work
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 5: a lot of quick game. They're gonna hit the intermediate
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 5: like and they're gonna try and hit a pass of
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 5: twelve or thirteen yards and hope it turns into twenty
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 5: five rather than throw the ball twenty five yards downfield.
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 5: Or they're gonna throw a little tunnel screen to Curtis
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 5: Samuel and hope that that gets you know, thirteen or
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 5: fourteen yards. Or they block a run really well and
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 5: someone's angle is wrong and James Cook busted off for
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 5: thirty yards. Like that's where it's gonna come from. The
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 5: Explosives are going to come from passes in the underneath,
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 5: in the intermediate or the run game and them being
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 5: blocked well or somebody making a play rather than generating
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 5: explosives by chucking the ball downfield. Based on what the
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 5: Bills had have at wide receiver and tight end and
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 5: running back, but also larger scale conversation how defenses are
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 5: built nowadays, where they're trying to put a cap on
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 5: offenses and keep everything in front of you, which is
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 5: why the Bills have potentially pivoted to this type of
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 5: answer to be able to challenge the current defensive trends
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 5: that we're seeing exactly.
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 2: You know, as much as teams want to play too
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 2: high shelf, keep a cap on everything, eventually you're gonna
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 2: have to want to move a little move a safety
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 2: down if you keep giving up five yards of carryouts.
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: That's how worrying A Staley just got fired. He wanted
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 1: to move.
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 2: A safety down and he ended up giving up the
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 2: most yards for carrying the league.
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 1: So you have to be.
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 2: Able to get teams out of those shells in a
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 2: lot of different ways, and I think the Bills want
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 2: to do that through after the catch, after content, they
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 2: want to force you to bring guys down into the
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 2: box to help help tackling, helping the run fit, you know,
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 2: and now and now that will open up a little
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 2: more of the explosives that will open up the Josh
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 2: Allen rainbow pass. Like they're going to use that efficiency underneath,
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 2: and not only like underneath in terms of like, oh,
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 2: this pass going for.
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 1: Three yards, three yards, four yards.
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 2: It's not just that it is making those again after
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 2: the catch, after contact, running through the contact, being able
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 2: to turn those two yard catches.
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 1: Into four and five yard plays.
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 2: You know. Again, we look at teams who are so
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 2: good at this and who have adjusted well to this
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 2: too high world we're living in the NFL, And you
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 2: think about the forty nine ers because they have all
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 2: those guys who can do that, and now you're.
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 1: Looking at the Bills, and even the Bills.
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 2: Last year, I think they finished like tenth or eleventh
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 2: in the NFL, and total yards after the catch, like
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 2: they were getting into that towards the back end of
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 2: last season, and now they're fully starting to commit to
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 2: that world. So this is going to be a really
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 2: good game to showcase two Bills fans what this offense
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 2: is going to want to be.
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 5: I like that. Yeah, And it's also kind of similar
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 5: to like like how the Chiefs started to pivot to
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 5: like a lower average depth of target while they had Tyreek,
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 5: and then they traded Tyreek. Andybody's like, oh my god,
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 5: what are they going to do? And it's like they've
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 5: already been doing it. They already started the pivot, and
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 5: now they're just fully committing to it. And I think
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 5: also like within that element comes the motion and the
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 5: pieces that they can add, Like I think things like
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 5: like like a tight bunch, and Curtis Samuel is like
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 5: the number three receiver and you've been running the ball.
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 5: Now all of a sudden, you go play action. You
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 5: send him on that slide route, and the second level
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 5: committed a little bit too much and as soon as
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 5: Allen finishes the run fake, he just dumps it off
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 5: to Curtis Samuel one yard behind the line. But Samuel's
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 5: got all this space horizontally to work and maybe even
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 5: get up the sideline and create some space. Like or again,
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 5: if you're starting to walk down those safe if you're
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 5: a defense, cool, now you're in those single high looks.
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 5: Now the crossers become available, and now those play action
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 5: shots where you can get Dalton Kincaid all the way
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 5: across the field and you can hit that deep intermediate
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 5: where you know it basically turns into a three level
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 5: concept on the backside, it's kind of like a sale
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 5: concept that Josh Allen loves to throw and hit. There's
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 5: all these ways that you can start to make things
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 5: work because you're forcing teams out of those two high
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 5: covered structures and those two high shelves. And that's a
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 5: huge point. Like I don't think I mentioned it enough
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 5: with the run game aspect, like you can run the
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 5: like the Bills. The reason the run game is so
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 5: important this year is because the mismatch creation element like
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 5: we talked about, but also and also just for the
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 5: fact that like they can churn out easy yard just
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 5: makes things nice.
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 1: But again, it.
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 5: Forces defenses out of the thing that they're trying to do.
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 5: League wide, Now, defenses are just like, no, we're just
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 5: gonna sit into two high covered structures. We're gonna limit explosives,
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 5: and we're gonna put a cap, we're gonna rally and tackle.
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 5: You can't do that as much or at all if
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 5: you're getting gouged six yards of pop consistently, or if
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 5: it's like, oh, we stopped it on this, So it's
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 5: only like second and seven. They ran it again for
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 5: thirteen yards and now it's first and ten and they're
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 5: already at like the forty yard line. Crap, so we
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 5: walk a safety down. Oh now it's second and two again. Like,
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 5: if you keep getting gouged, you have to change. And
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 5: that's where that's why the run game is becoming more
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 5: in fashion in today's NFL because defense has swung the
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 5: pendulum in their favor. So offenses like, Okay, you want
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 5: to do a well, We're gonna do this thing that
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 5: makes you have to do b or do a less,
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 5: and that's how we take the power back. And if
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 5: you don't want to do a less, cool, stay in
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 5: your two high coverage structures. We're gonna keep running the
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 5: ball for six to seven yards of carry and we're
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 5: gonna gut you that way and we're gonna keep the
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 5: ball away from your offense and then good luck getting
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 5: it back.
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is.
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 2: Gonna be a game where I think the tackling and
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 2: the physicality of the Bills offense.
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 1: And Bill's defense is going to have to be on display.
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 2: I think this is gonna be something where you know,
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 2: this is this is gonna be a game that you
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 2: really get to see what this Bills offense is gonna be.
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 1: In what they have what I called the Chiefs, the chiefsifocation.
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you said it the last time you were yeah,
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 5: when we did that episode.
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 1: Of this offense.
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 2: And instead of using the Chiefs buzz saw ability in
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 2: the short yardage game, in the run game, it's going
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 2: to use some of that, but it's going to incorporate
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 2: Josh Allen's legs a lot more, I think, because you
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 2: really don't want to have your quarterback get hurt from
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 2: carrying the ball fifteen times game. That's not what I'm saying.
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 2: You're letting Josh Allen carry the ball fifteen twenty times game.
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 2: That's not what I'm saying here. But you're gonna see
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 2: a lot more Josh Allen keeping on the zone reads.
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 2: You're gonna see a lot more designated QB runs. Also
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 2: worth noting that last year the Arizona Cardinals finished sixth,
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 2: had the six month sixth most excuse me yards per
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 2: carry giving up on design QB runs in the NFL
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 2: last year two point one.
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 1: So you know that's you know you have you have
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 1: the guy to do that. You have you have the.
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 2: Break job, break glass in case of emergency. I think
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 2: Ken Dorsey kind of used that as like, oh, if
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 2: it's a big game, Josh Allen's running the ball. I
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 2: think we're gonna see a lot more of the Josh
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 2: Allen run game this season because of how much the
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 2: run game matters to keep this offense efficient, and it
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 2: allows them to Okay, you can you can spend a
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 2: safety den. You're gonna have to spend a safety down
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 2: because there's another run threat in the backfield, you know.
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 2: So now you're able to get teams out of too
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 2: high because you have to have somebody keep eyes on
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 2: Josh Allen. And it's not just somebody keep eyes on
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 2: Josh Allen. You need somebody over two hundred.
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 1: And forty pounds to keep an eye on Josh Allen.
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 2: You cannot send any I can normally I say you
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 2: need somebody wearing a number in the fifties to.
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 1: Tackle Josh Allen.
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 2: You can't say that anymore because everybody wearing number seven
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 2: or like single digits. So you need somebody over two
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 2: hundred and forty pounds try and back. So now you
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 2: pose this problem for the Cardinals, who again they play light.
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 1: They have to play light because they don't have the
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 1: bodies up front in their front seven.
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 2: So just hit him in the mouth, you know, I
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 2: would spend that first drive of the game just hit him.
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, duo counter throw.
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 2: Throw the Josh Allen Run Game in there, just to
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 2: see how they react to it, and that'll set the
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 2: course for the entire game.
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he's I think the last time you were when
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 5: we had that episode where you talked about the chasification, Uh,
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 5: like you coin that are like use that phrase like
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 5: Josh Allen is the plus one in the run game
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 5: and that's what he is consistently. And if again, if
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 5: you want to honor him, that's fine, then you have
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 5: one less body to defend like the non Josh Allen
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 5: run game, or if you have to honor the real
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 5: run game, then Josh Allen's going to keep it and
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 5: you got to figure out how to defend that. And
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 5: the the Bills ran so much more under Brady overall,
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 5: I think like eleven more times per game than they
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 5: did under Dorsey, and Allen was a bigger part of that,
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 5: both in terms of scrambles and design runs. And Yeah,
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 5: I think people always talk about like, oh, Dorson didn't
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 5: want to run Alan. I think they were very much
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 5: trying to like keep that in their pocket until they
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 5: need it or like use it more later in the year,
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 5: just to keep him fresh. Like they were just waiting
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 5: on it. They knew what they had, but they were
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 5: waiting on it. Brady took over and was like, Yo,
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 5: we can't wait because of what our record is. And
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 5: also I'm trying to audition for a job right now,
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 5: so I'm pushing every button I can, and one of
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 5: those buttons is Josh Allen. And I think it's just
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 5: more of a natural incorporation this year now again, like
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 5: you said, because of the run game, and he's just
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 5: he's that natural plus one and all his threat is
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 5: already there, so you don't even need to run him
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 5: fifteen times a game. You can just run him four
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 5: and that's already enough because the threat is already present
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 5: because of what he can already do on the ground,
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 5: and that just opens things up even further. Again, just
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 5: another reason why this run game will matter so much
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 5: and why the run is so important from the non
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 5: Josh Allen Run game to the Josh Allen Run game.
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 5: The play action, the boots, the condensed formations, the reduced
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 5: formational with the motion and everything that they're doing and
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 5: the shifts, pre snap all of it to throw anything
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 5: in everything you can inda defense to make a defense
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 5: have to account for anything and everything and have answers
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 5: to a multitude of questions that they either don't want
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 5: to answer or that they don't have answers for. And
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 5: even if they do have answers, every week when you
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 5: play the Bills, you have to have answers to like
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 5: eleven or twelve questions and that's a lot, Like that's
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 5: a hard week of prep and it's going to be
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 5: on the Bills to deliver on those questions that teams
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 5: have to answer because if they don't, again, like we
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 5: talked about, like if they can't run the ball out
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 5: of these looks, then teams will be like, yeah, we
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 5: have to answer that question, but we only have to
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  Speaker 5: prepare like five minutes for it because their answer sucks,
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  Speaker 5: like they don't have to worry about it as much.
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 5: But if you can be a true dual threat offense
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  Speaker 5: with a natural pivot with the run in the past
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 5: and then mix in Josh Allen to that run game,
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 5: now all of a sudden You've got all these layers
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  Speaker 5: and all these levels that again start to throw a
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 5: defense into a mind. And again I think it's a
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  Speaker 5: similar part to the Cardinals offense. Like we talked about
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 5: what they're twelve and thirteen and then Kyler and what
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 5: he is. It's man, I'm happy football is back and
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 5: this game is just so fun. I really do think
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 5: it's underrated. In like the opening week landscape, Chiefs. Ravens
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 5: is obviously getting love the Packers game being on a Friday,
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 5: which I still forgot about. I forgot that there's NFL
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 5: football on Thursday and Friday this week. It's so weird,
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 5: like I'm not used to it, and so I know
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 5: that's dominating the landscap and a lot of other stories.
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 5: But yeah, this Bill's Cardinals game, I think is so
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  Speaker 5: fun schematically and again just being a microcosmon representation of
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  Speaker 5: what each of these teams can really be for this
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 5: twenty twenty four season. Man Ay, we legitimately could talk
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 5: for like ever, and I was like, you know what
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 5: I think we can get in like an hour hour ten.
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  Speaker 5: I don't even know why I thought that or mentioned
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  Speaker 5: it pre show, Like I don't know why I even
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  Speaker 5: went down that road.
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  Speaker 2: I suff rayed, say, like with Josh Allen eliminating backside
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 2: defenders because of his threat as a runner, like and
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 2: nah that we weren't getting to our hour ten.
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  Speaker 1: This is like this is on the low end for us.
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  Speaker 5: That's actually fair. Yeah, that's fair, that's fair. Yeah, pushing
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  Speaker 5: like our forty five. Yeah that's fair, but not even
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  Speaker 5: more hour forty seven as I looked at the time,
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 5: right now, Yeah, we man, Yeah, I just love took
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  Speaker 5: the ball with you, like you, and I said it
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 5: the first I say pretty much every time that you've
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 5: been on the show, like and a bunch of people
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 5: in the comments said it too, Like your your knowledge
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 5: of the game, the area that you gravitate towards is
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 5: very much like what I like to consume as as
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 5: a person in this space, or even if I wasn't
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 5: in this space, just as like a fan like your,
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 5: I would be paying attention to your work if even
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 5: if I didn't have a podcast and didn't do this.
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 5: The line I always uses is mad corny and mad nerdy,
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 5: but like I'm very much like the sort of gryffindor,
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 5: like I only want to take in that which makes
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 5: me stronger, and like you're one of those people like
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 5: you just you know so much and you talk about
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 5: it so well and we vibe on the same way
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 5: waye with like wrestling and anime and a lot of
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 5: other stuff. So you're one of my favorite people to
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 5: have on the show. You crush it every time. Yeah,
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 5: I really feel like we could easily like go for
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 5: double this and continue to like talking about the same game,
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 5: like just keep going like further and further and further.
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 5: So I appreciate you taking the time. I'm sorry for
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 5: keeping you so long again, but the floor is yours.
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 5: If you've got anything else you want to unload, or
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 5: if you want to plug anything, whatever you got that,
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 5: I appreciate the hell Outia.
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  Speaker 1: The floor is yours. Awesome. Thank you so much again
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 1: for having me on.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, you can follow me on social media at
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  Speaker 2: Acosta thirty two Underscore JP. We are bringing back established
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  Speaker 2: I write about things that I think are interesting in
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  Speaker 2: cover the Chiefs Ravens game, but it'll be every other game.
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  Speaker 2: There'll be something, there'll be something fun. There are three
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  Speaker 5: One of the best follows, genuinely, and I'm not just
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  Speaker 5: saying that because you're here. Just with everything JP knows
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  Speaker 5: from a schematic perspective, and just if you want to
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  Speaker 5: know more about football league wide, in the NFL college
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  Speaker 5: elements as well, like anything and everything, and then he's
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  Speaker 5: just like a good follow in general. Absolutely phenomenal work
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  Speaker 5: that you do. JP, and I couldn't have had a
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  Speaker 5: better guest to kick off the season to have this conversation.
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 5: I knew how fun this conversation would be schematically, and
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  Speaker 5: I'm usually like very late in behind with like asking
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 5: people to get on shows, Like I'm always trying to
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 5: catch up. But I asked you like early on because
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  Speaker 5: I wanted to make sure like I locked it in.
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  Speaker 5: I got it into advance like it had been in
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 5: my mind, like it's like juw. But I was like,
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 5: I should ask it like now because I just probably
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 5: should lock it in. So yeah, this couldn't have gone better.
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  Speaker 5: You crushed it as always. I will DM you after
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  Speaker 5: this and thank you and apologies again for keeping you late.
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  Speaker 5: But again, dude, I just appreciate the hell out of you.
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  Speaker 5: Enjoy the rest of your Tuesday, and thanks for being
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 5: here and crushing it anytime.
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  Speaker 2: Man, I could talk for hours talk about with you,
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 2: so thank you again so much.
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  Speaker 5: Hell yeah, man, enjoy the rest of your Tuesday, and
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 5: I'll see in the DMS yeah later. Man. He's phenomenal.
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 5: I combine phenomenal and fantastic. I genuinely was like, okay,
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 5: we can do like an hour, ten hour, fifteen. My
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 5: thought was kind of working that in.
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 1: Oh man, it's tough.
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  Speaker 5: It's tough when you got two people who like to
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 5: talk and engage. And we also too, like we were
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 5: talking offline, like he was in the room before nine,
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 5: but we were just talking about he was on a
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 5: little vacation before, like last couple of weeks. So we
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 5: were talking about his vacation and we're talking about other
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 5: football stuff, like we're talking about a bunch of college
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 5: stuff in Florida State and just yeah, he's awesome with
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 5: his work and as a person. Yet like just he's
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 5: a fantastic I like this come from Dennis say, and
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 5: I forgot how good you are stressing me out for
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 5: these games that are supposed to be gimmes. Well the
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  Speaker 5: tricks on you, because I'm already stressed out for every
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 5: Bills game. Fair. I do think it's it's the way
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  Speaker 5: I keep thinking about this game. I don't do predictions
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 5: because I'm too superstitious, but like, I think the Bills
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  Speaker 5: should win this game. If they lose this game to
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  Speaker 5: the Cardinals, I'm not freaking out to be like, oh
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 5: my god, the season's lost. Like if the Bills lost
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 5: this game to the Cardinals, like I'd be like, okay,
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 5: Like I think the Cardinals are better than people realize,
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  Speaker 5: and I think each game for them is like with
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  Speaker 5: the Cardinals, I don't expect the Cardinals to be like
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  Speaker 5: a double digit win team or competing for the NFC West,
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  Speaker 5: but I could see them being like a pesky seven
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  Speaker 5: win team, and they're in a lot of their games
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 5: like they you could have double digit losses, But I
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 5: don't see them getting blown out a ton like. I
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 5: think they present some schematic components like we talked about
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 5: in this episode on offense and defense, that are gonna
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 5: teams out, especially from a matchup standpoint based on how
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 5: the league operates, and a lot of them, again, are
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 5: gonna matter in this game, like who the Cardinals are.
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 5: This game against the Bills is a good microcosm of
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 5: how the Cardinals are going to want to be this year,
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 5: similar to how it is for the Bills. So yeah,
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 5: the way I keep putting it in is I think
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 5: the Bills should win this game. If they lose it,
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 5: I wouldn't really be too disappointed, aside from just being
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 5: like oh man, like I would rather the Bills win
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 5: than lose, but I wouldn't be distraught like that's a
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 5: horrible football team that they just lost to. This season
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 5: is done, nothing's gonna work. I wouldn't do that in
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 5: Week one in general, but even more so just because
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 5: I think the I think the Cardinals are a better
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 5: team than people get credit for and I think everyone's
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 5: kind of coming around to that realization a little bit more.
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 5: But I don't think this game is the slam dunk
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 5: or gimme like it kind of is being portrayed to
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 5: be by bye by some fans or even some people
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 5: in this space. And again that's just me. Like I,
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 5: I love the schematics of football, and I think this
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 5: game is a really fun schematic one to have because
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 5: of who the two teams are, how they operate, and
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 5: what they do. Huh man, that's gonna do it for
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  Speaker 5: know again you folks for a lot of the kind
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  Speaker 5: end I really like it with with how engaging the
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