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Virginia's Adventure Towns: Norton - High Knob Region Hikes, Waterfalls, and Travel Guide with Katie Dunn, Tourism Director (Ep 85, Part 2) · Virginia Outdoor Adventures: Hiking, Camping, Kayaking, Local Travel and more!

• 0:01
  Unknown: From the Blue Ridge Mountains to the Chesapeake Bay, Virginia is a mecca for outdoor travel and adventure. Virginia outdoor adventures Podcast is your local guide for hiking, camping, kayaking, travel and so much more. Get the information and the inspiration to plan your own adventure right here in Virginia. I'm your host. Jessica Bowser, we're heading deep into the mountains of southwest Virginia to explore Norton, a small city with a big reputation as an outdoor recreation hub in the heart of Appalachia, tucked into the high knob region and surrounded by the Jefferson National Forest Norton offers something truly special, easy immediate access to some of the most diverse and scenic outdoor experiences in the region, from panoramic overlooks and cascading waterfalls to miles of hiking and biking trails. This is a place where adventure starts just minutes from downtown, whether you're chasing spectacular views at flag rock or taking in a gorgeous sunset at high knob observation tower.
• 1:06
  Unknown: Norton delivers big outdoor experiences without the crowds Joining me is Katie Dunn, director of the high knob destination center and Norton's community engagement and tourism director. She's here to share what makes this mountain town so memorable, from its quaint Main Street to a little bit of local legend, let's go.
• 1:27
  Unknown: This is part two of a two part episode.
• 1:32
  Unknown: We also got an opportunity to do the guest River Gorge Trail. And I think this one is excellent, not just for hiking, but if you want to bring a bike. I think this is perfect for that as a great rails to trail. It's one of my favorites, too. I think I went there when we first moved up here. I think I went there like every single day, because we live down in Coburn. So it's about 20 ish minutes from from Norton to get to this trail. But yeah, it's about five and a half miles. It travels along the guest River and ends at the guest rivers, confluence with the Clinch River. But along the way, you kind of get these really, like, tall cliffs that kind of make the sound of the river like Echo, and it just kind of thunders. Sometimes it's really pretty and, yeah, it's one of my favorite trails. And you you do go downhill, and you don't realize you're really going downhill, whether you're hiking or running or biking, but on the return trip, you do have to climb about 600 to 700 feet to get out. Just, it's gradual, but, yeah, you will feel it coming back out, but it's, it's a really, it's really pretty all seasons too. So that, yeah, that's a, definitely, a really cool one. And we saw a bald eagle there too. We did. It was so close, like you and I were both freaking out. We were trying to get pictures, and thinking it was going to fly off because it was so close to us, but the views were amazing. I think that's the first time I'd seen one there. I know we were both creeping up closer to hopefully wouldn't get scared off. And I was going to mention too, there are climbing routes there too. I think the Regional Climate Group has an MOA with the Forest Service, so there are some rope climbing routes along the trail as well, and I enjoyed it because it's a rail to trail.
• 3:03
  Unknown: And so what you would typically think of a rail to trail in Appalachia is true on this trail too. There are tunnels that The trail passes through, that the train used to pass through, and the mountains there are bridges that go over the streams. So talk about scenic I mean, you've got these dramatic rock formations, you've got tunnels, you've got mountains in the distance. You're going over these beautiful streams. It just doesn't get any prettier than that. Yeah, and I think the tunnel, now, when we first moved up here, it was inching closer to 100 years I think it's over a 100 year old tunnel. Now, the Swede tunnel is what they they call it. I'm not sure why. So it's really cool. Those, those kind of older features from the railroad are still there. Next time I come into town, I'm bringing my bike and I'm gonna ride the whole thing. I'm super excited to do it. Yes, spring, and I would say mid spring is a good time to come do that, yeah, yeah. Or fall. I mean, fall, like when we were there too, because it was so beautiful. It was, what were the temps?
• 3:56
  Unknown: They're like in the 60s, like 50s to 60s. And it was just perfect to be outside that has had some really good leaf color in the past. There's one day I just stood there and it's just, yeah, brilliant all around. So there's just a couple more we're going to cover before we move on. And one of those is the chief Benj, or chief Benji. I think I've heard it pronounced both ways. Scout trail. It's a really cool 15.6 mile trail. So it's probably right now our longer, longest distance trail in the in the area. And it actually starts up at high knob tower and then travels all the way down to where we were talking about little stony falls. It connects that trail so you do pass through like Bart camp lake on your trek down, and just a lot of other really good scenic like forest types, and so it's a great Woods walk. Do you want to warn people if they come out want to hike it? Hurricane Helene did hit our area last year when it came through, and there's a lot of tree damage that happened, and that trail was one of the areas that did get hit. Certain sections are really good, and then other ones probably will have to have some work done. So if you do come and want.
• 5:00
  Unknown: To hike that trail, I would just recommend checking in with the Forest Service to make sure that trail conditions are good, just to be on the safe side there.
• 5:06
  Unknown: But it's definitely one to check out. And haven't done the full thing all at once, but I've done several sections of it, and it is really pretty Yeah, I would love to do this one too, especially once it's fully cleared out. It sounds like a really great Well for me personally, day hike, 15 miles might be a little much for some people in one day, but I think if you start early enough, and you're really experienced hiker, you could, you could do this in one day, but yeah, it sounds really beautiful. And I also think it's important to mention that there is still damage from Hurricane Helene, even though it was over a year ago. And I think some people who don't live in the area have already moved on and aren't really thinking about that anymore, but there is still lingering damage that is being addressed. And I remember when Hurricane Helene hit, and I interviewed somebody who works in Smith County Tourism about it, and she said, Please don't forget about us, because the news cycle moves so fast that people are going to move on and they're going to forget that.
• 6:02
  Unknown: Forget that we're still here, suffering and trying to recover from this, and more than a year later, like, that's true, like, there are areas that were hit hard that are still trying to recover, so it's really important for us to visit and to put our tourism dollars into helping the area recover from Hurricane Helena, I think. And we were lucky, you know, we didn't have the widespread damage that a lot of our communities in Virginia and then neighboring North Carolina had, but a lot of our rec areas and trails were impacted. We had a lot of tree damage, more than the flooding. So, yeah, so we're still kind of recovering from that, and there are areas where we can't really, we don't really want to promote or tell people that, you know, just be careful if you're going out. And the the Forest Service is doing a lot of work to try to get that back into shape. But of course, they're, you know, have limited resources sometimes too. So it's a, it's a work in progress, I think. Okay, so we saved one for last, and this is a super, super popular hike, but also comes with some controversy. And when you and I were first talking about, are we going to include this particular hike in this podcast episode, we were kind of going back and forth on it because of the over visitation issues, but I think it's really important to talk about those.
• 7:17
  Unknown: Like, it doesn't really make sense to ignore this hike, given how popular it is in the area, but I also think it's really important to talk about why it's controversial, and that hike is Devil's bathtub. So what should adventurers know about this hike? Katie Devil's bathtub is it's probably about a 40 minute drive from Norton. It's only 11 miles from Norton, but you do go over through some gravel roads and everything there to get there. It is a really pretty trail. You do hike out to what people call the devil's bathtub, which is a very deep, clear pool, and it is really pretty social media craze took off with it several years ago, and then we started getting, like, over visitation, people getting out on the trail that maybe should not have been out on the trail.
• 7:55
  Unknown: So that was putting a strain on our volunteer, EMS crews, having to go out on the trail rescue people. And then there have been some private property issues where people were not respecting private property, parking along roadsides, blocking people in so kind of all the things that you see in sort of a nightmare story about a trailhead that you kind of see in other places as well, not just here, but there has been work done through a lot of groups that have helped reroute the trail. So you used to have, I think, about 13 stream crossings, and they've cut those down to kind of make it a little bit safer. There actually is a new parking area, which you can still park at the old trail head. But there is a new trail head that's recommended for parking too, and it adds a little bit of a road walk. You have Wi Fi there, restrooms there, and then bigger parking area than the Lee at the trailhead. But, yeah, it's a good one, just one that we we don't promote as much, just because it has been loved a little bit too much. And there are a lot of other trails in the area too that are that are good to kind of spread those crowds out too. So over the years, I have seen Devil's bathtub all over social media and and being promoted by different groups, and I just couldn't bring myself to do it right, like I was just too concerned about promoting an area that's already overcrowded and and suffering because of the overcrowding. So I've avoided it all these years, but then you and I went, and I was surprised that it wasn't busy. You know, there were some folks there, but it wasn't a lot. And the stream crossings, I thought were interesting, because going in October, the water level was really low, so it was manageable, but I can only imagine what it would be like to try to cross those when the water level is really high, especially after a rain, or in the spring, like I would think, you'd probably have to roll your pants up to your thighs just to get across all of these stream crossings. Is that accurate? One time we went, before I went with you, and it was up to my knees.
• 9:54
  Unknown: You do have issues, especially when we get thunderstorms like summer thunderstorms, of flash flooding events can.
• 10:00
  Unknown: Remember how many years ago this was, but we actually made CNN news site because there are 20 stranded hikers out there that got out across the stream crossings and then a flash flood came with a thunderstorm, and they couldn't safely get back across. So these streams don't look bad if you're there on a good day, but if the water levels start rising pretty quickly and there's swift water.
• 10:20
  Unknown: You know, it is pretty dangerous for you to try to be crossing those and so that is one thing, you know, when people do come to do this trail, you do need to check the weather forecast. And you can even reach out to us here at the high knob destination center, or to Scott County and just ask how our water levels. Have you gotten a lot of rain? Just to make sure you're you're getting out there and prepared for what you're going to find? Yes, I think that's really important. It's also important to know where you're going, because you could take a trail directly to Devil's bathtub, or there's a much longer Loop Trail. And I actually had a couple people tell me that they made the wrong turn and ended up doing this huge loop and didn't realize it, and and were out there past dark, or were out there longer than they thought they would be, or they were confused. They didn't know where they were being prepared with a map, and understanding where you're going is especially important as well.
• 11:09
  Unknown: They we do have clinch ranger district maps, so those show all the Forest Service trails. And this is also a Forest Service trail. You want to know where you're going. A lot of places out here, you don't have cell service no matter the carrier. I have Verizon and Devil's backup.
• 11:19
  Unknown: I don't, don't have service there, but it's just, it's something to Expect When You're you're kind of coming out here at most places, you may have very little to no self service.
• 11:26
  Unknown: So you do want to let people know where you're going, and you want to make sure you're read up on all the trail details that you can before you hit the trail. I give credit for the new parking lot that was built with the Wi Fi in the bathrooms. It's got picnic tables so it's a much more relaxed place. You feel like you could get on the trail a little more prepared, but you do have to hike up the road. It does add some time and some distance to the hike. I thought the hike itself was just gorgeous, but I think what surprised me the most, and I heard people say this to me long before I did the hike is that the bathtub itself, like you see these pictures of it on social or on magazines or like tourism brochures, and you think it's going to be this big, grandiose thing, and it's like this small hole in the ground. It's so underwhelming. Do you remember when you said, That's it? And I said, No, it's not. I was like, That can't possibly be it, but it was it. It's just, like, this kidney bean shaped hole in the rock with water flowing through it. And I was like, really? I mean, it's neat, but I just can't imagine that.
• 12:30
  Unknown: Like, this social media craze just went completely nuts, and all these people came here to see this. Oh yeah, it's an, I'm not knocking the bathtub. It's pretty. The trail there is pretty, but it's crazy to me how much that took off. And then people were posting photos of a devil's bathtub in Ohio, I think, too, and saying that was here. And then people think it's, you know, a manicured trail. You You won't have any rocks and roots, but it is a pretty rocky rooting. Course, you know, even I'm a pretty experienced hiker, and you know my ankles are going to hurt after, my feet are going to hurt after, and you can roll your ankle pretty easily, no matter your level of hiking experience, too. So it's not something that you hop out of the car at three o'clock and decide it's something to do you need. You need to prepare and plan ahead for sure. I agree. I mean, is Appalachia, right? It is the mountains. So, like, be prepared for those things. I thought the hike was lovely. I have no regrets. I'm really glad that we did it. There are waterfall views. You've got some dramatic cliffs. There's streams. I mean, it's really, really pretty. I enjoyed the entire thing from start to finish. And it makes me sad sometimes that we live in a society where people think that the only reason to hike is to get to an Instagram worthy spot and that's it. And to me, I feel like they're missing the point.
• 13:50
  Unknown: I think that that hike is really beautiful from beginning to end, and it's definitely worth doing, as long as you are mindful of the impacts that you might be having. You know the Forest Service is a good resource to contact there, or the destination center. If you do have, like, specific questions about the trail, how to get there, it is out there too. So do your due diligence before you get out there. Yeah, like going during off peak times and checking water levels in advance, coming prepared, 10 essentials, all of that, and also respecting the residents, the people who live around that area, are dealing with hikers coming through their yards all the time. So like, Just be mindful that these people live there, right and you don't want to be disrupting them or causing problems for them. I don't know about recently, but there were some instances with the property owner there that people were using the restroom on their property, picking flowers, parking on their property, and then kind of acting like it was their right to do. So I think there was one time too, that somebody blocked in a forest service vehicle and was just going to leave it there, and he was like, you, you're going to get a ticket. So there you just, just be respectful. When you you get out there too, it's, we're all trying to share the same.
• 15:00
  Unknown: Space and yeah, some of us live in the places you're wondering.
• 15:03
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• 15:53
  Unknown: Now that we have gone over some of the popular hiking places and outdoor recreation areas, let's talk about lodging, because people who are coming into town are going to want to know where they can stay. So what are the options available in downtown Norton? We do have four hotels in downtown itself. There's the Hampton Inn, and then we do have three, probably about a mile or two from downtown. So there are plenty of options there. You know, neighboring town of wise, which is close to Norton, also has a couple options as well.
• 16:22
  Unknown: They have an in it wise, and then a Best Western. And then, of course, we probably have several properties on Airbnb or those types of sites too that you can look for. So there are options there. And then, if you want to camp, of course, we've mentioned that there are campgrounds really close to downtown too, and that Hampton Inn is like, right on Main Street, so if you're staying there, you can walk to the restaurants, and nobody's paying me to say that, I just happened to notice that it was very conveniently located. And I did not stay in any of those hotels.
• 16:53
  Unknown: I actually stayed in Nottingham place B and B, which is in wise, not too far away at all, and that was so charming. It's a historic, beautiful house in wise, the owners, Ben and Kim, restored the rooms. There's private baths, and just getting to know Ben and Kim was like an experience in and of itself, right? I really enjoy those two.
• 17:13
  Unknown: Ben is, isn't he a professor at UVA Wise, he is, yeah, yeah. He teaches in the theater department over there. They're both lovely people and will make you feel more than welcome, for sure, yes. And Kim is a retired theater person, and just fell in love with the house and wanted to buy it. And it just, if you're gonna stay there, like, carve a little bit of time out on your first day to meet Ben and Kim, because Ben is from the area, like he is a local, but has lived in other places and then chose to come back. And they are so invested in the community, and they know everyone, and they know everything that's going on, and they're very interested in making sure that they prop up at their community and and the town, and just getting to know them and to listen to some of their stories. We were sitting like in the foyer, I guess it's called like, right where you walk in the front door, and there's this huge grand staircase up to the second floor. And we were just sitting there with the cats coming through, and I was listening to them tell me all kinds of stories. And when we sat down, it was bright and sunny in there. And by the time I stood up to go get dinner because I was hungry, it was dark. I mean, they, they were just so lovely and welcoming. And if you want to really start to get a feel for the area, they can help you get oriented really quickly.
• 18:34
  Unknown: Yeah, you definitely want to meet Ben and Kim. They're, they're awesome, and help out with a lot of the community events too, and are very much community minded and just all around great people. And I just wanted to go into a couple more details about the camping options. You said flag rock campground and high knob recreation campground. Are those all first come first serve, or is there a reservation system?
• 18:54
  Unknown: So right now, they're all first come first serve, and flag rock, you can tent camp. And they also has electric hookups. So if you do have an RV and are comfortable driving up some narrow, curvy roads, you can RV camp in there as well. And I think I mentioned light, high knobs probably better for tent camping instead of like RV camping. But yeah, those are two within a couple miles, or about four to five miles from downtown Norton's. And then I think also there's, there's a handful of cabin rentals and Airbnb options, if you look for them, yeah, if you get on there and look up Norton, or wise or some of the other communities, they'll, they'll probably pop up with several options there as well. Okay, so let's dive into dining and local flavor, because this is always one of my favorite parts of doing these adventure town episodes is talking about local dining, because there's always some really interesting places. So what are some must try restaurants in Norton Katie? Of course, I mentioned wood booger Bar and Grill, and it has a very wood booger themed decorations, and then a huge menu that you can choose from. So.
• 20:00
  Unknown: Lot of people do enjoy that. We also have me Finca, which is a Mexican restaurant, and also great to try. And then we do have Alfredo's, which is an Italian restaurant, and dear Osaka, which is a Japanese restaurant. And those are all pretty close together on one end of town. And then there is a pizza place, dough makers pizza, which has really good pizza, and it's on the other side. Yeah, it is really a good pizza place. So those are kind of our main ones in downtown. And all are worth a try, for sure. And the woodworkers just got, you've got to just stop by to see some of their decorations in there too.
• 20:32
  Unknown: So yeah, it's like a sight to behold. You walk in and you're like, where am I?
• 20:37
  Unknown: And even before that, you walk through the front door like, there's a giant wood burger statue outside that I of course, had to take a selfie with, but it's a fun local joint, and you can't miss it. When I told people I was going to Norton, they're like, Oh, are you going to the wood burger? And I'm like, How do you know that? It's just like, the place that everybody knows to go to, and their menu is enormous, we had a hard time deciding what we were going to have. Yeah, you can spend probably about 20 minutes just looking through all the options in there. So yeah, and the food was good. I really enjoyed it. And the Mexican, you can't go wrong with some margaritas, right? Oh, yeah for sure, yes, especially after a long hike. So dough makers pizza I was really impressed with, because, as a vegetarian slash Lazy Vegan, I can't eat meat because of alpha gal. And so I was like, Okay, I need a really good veggie pizza. And man, did they deliver. I mean, I was like, Dang you guys, like, this is one of the best veggie pizzas I've ever had, and the service was fantastic. Yeah, there's a lot of good options, for sure, in downtown to choose from, where should visitors stop for coffee or breakfast? So I would recommend Lincoln Road coffee lounge. So it's located in downtown Norton as well, and they're open all day. So if you want coffee in the morning and then need another fix after you get off the trail, it's a good place to go. And they do serve some smaller breakfast items as well, and so it's one of my favorite places to go in the morning, before work or before getting on the trail. It's a very cute little coffee shop, and they have seasonal options, which I thought were fine. I had a hard time choosing between all the pumpkin spice this and that and some other things that I I'm not remembering off the top of my head, but very unique and fun. And I think I had avocado toast or something like that, which is like one of my favorites. So I was a very happy camper inside Lincoln Road coffee lounge. And then how about places to relax after a hike, anything unique? So I will recommend one place that if you do like wine, we do have a winery and a vineyard, and and it's in the neighboring town of wise, and it's actually been built on a reclaimed mine land.
• 22:44
  Unknown: So they built their vineyard on that. They produce a series of wines, and they have hard cider as well, and it's really pretty where they're setting it. So you could even, you know, sit inside, or sit outside on their small patio and enjoy a glass of wine. And I think we were up there close to sunset, and it was a really pretty evening, too. So I'd recommend going to mountain rose vineyard for for sure, if you're looking to relax. And then, of course, if you like beer. Or neighboring Big Stone Gap, they do have a brewery down there, big cherry Brewing Company. So that's another kind of place with some local player to get a drink if you're if you're craving something extra after a hike mountain. Rose vineyards was a nice surprise. I wasn't expecting to see grape vines on reclaimed mine lands. I thought it was also really nice that the owner took time out of his day to give us that tour. I mean, that was the the nicest part of it. And I think one of the things that I love about doing these episodes is when people get really excited when I come into town, because they just want to share the things that they love and are passionate about in their hometown with me.
• 23:48
  Unknown: And so I just, I felt like he was giving me, and you a lot of that love, right? Like he was taking us up the hill and through the vines and showing us all the different things. And we also went through the winery itself and saw where the wine was being made. And, you know, we got to ask questions about the process and where they shipped to and who buys from them, and all the all those things. And it's really cool to see a local product like that being made available across Virginia to people. And it's also just a really nice place to relax and to have a nice glass of wine. They're great at telling their story, too. So if you do stop in, definitely ask about their history there. It's a really cool story. Yes, and family owned as well. Katie, for people who are thinking about visiting Norton, where is the best place to start your trip?
• 24:34
  Unknown: So if you get into Norton, we actually have a visitor slash interpretive center called the high knob destination center, and we opened that in January of 2025 so it's a great place to stop by. We have a lot of information, not only about Norton, but we kind of serve the wider high knob region, which has been a lot of the places we've talked about today are not necessarily in Norton, but they're in this kind of wider region. You can find.
• 25:00
  Unknown: And information about us, about Wise County, Scott County and Lee County. So places them there. And so we also have an exhibit room. So if you really kind of want to get a general introduction to the region what you can expect, you can wander through there, and it talks a lot about our biodiversity in the area, our recreation sites and trails, our communities and our some of our history too. And then if you need a souvenir, we do have a small retail space so you can take a high knob souvenir home with you. But that's a good kind of stopping point to kind of orient yourself for for the area, and then for what to see here. Yeah, I took advantage of the souvenirs. I walked out fully stocked with magnets and and Christmas ornaments and shirts and a mug I was drinking spice cider on Thanksgiving out of my high knob mug. So thank you, Katie for that lovely gift. But yeah, what a wonderful addition to the community. The high knob destination center is brand spanking new and just beautiful.
• 25:56
  Unknown: And like you said, not just information about outdoor rec, but also geology, ecology and the whole region. It's very well done, and I highly recommend everybody stop in there when they're in town. It's a perfect place to get all the information you need, maps of the area. You can get yourself oriented and kind of understand where things are. Not that there's many challenges here in visiting the area, but one of them might be driving through the mountains and figuring out how to get from one place to another, and you and the other staff are there and available to help people understand how to get to all of these awesome places we just talked about today. Yeah, I think that's one, one thing.
• 26:36
  Unknown: There's not actually a lot of signage for some of these places too. So yeah, we can help you, you find those places, and, like you said, kind of orient yourself. And we also do have a lot of events that go on throughout the year at the center. So if you happen to be here on a particular week, you might be able to come and attend one of those events here too, and or interpret a program that we might be offering. Yeah, that's fine. You do some like guided hikes and lots of trail races and stuff, right? Yeah, we do. We do monthly guided hikes.
• 27:04
  Unknown: And then my co worker, Megan Wark, she's a certified interpreter, so she's doing a lot of her interpretive and outreach programs. And then, yeah, we do have a lot of running races. So if you love running, trail running, road running, check us out. And we, I think we have a running race probably almost every month of the year now it feels like it's probably not real but, but we do have a lot going on for sure.
• 27:25
  Unknown: Katie, what do you hope visitors will take away from their time in Norton? I hope they can find a place to escape and new outdoor adventure where maybe they didn't think one existed, given where we're located, and that they come away relaxed and sort of rejuvenated. Because I know I feel like that when I get out here and you just spend a few hours in the woods, and then can go relax at a restaurant or wherever. And I think when we moved up here, I found a whole new place that I didn't know existed, and a lot of outdoor adventures that you might not find in other places too. Norton is a good place to relax and rejuvenate and reconnect. I certainly enjoyed my time there.
• 28:05
  Unknown: Katie, how can listeners connect with you and find more information? Yeah. So we do have a social media, Facebook and Instagram, and I think you're going to include those handles for people in the show notes, so people should check their show notes for those and then we do have a website, explore Norton va.com and then you can also contact me at the destination center by email or by phone as well. Perfect. I will put all of those links, plus your email and your phone number in the show notes. If anybody wants to ask questions as they're planning their trip, they can reach you and find more information on all the socials and the website, Katie, thank you so much for hosting me in Norton. It was a lovely, lovely experience. I cannot wait to get back to the heart of Appalachia, and I appreciate all that you did, taking me around town and also being a guest on this podcast and helping our listeners plan their next visit to Norton.
• 28:59
  Unknown: Well, thank you so much. It was really fun showing you around and then also talking today, and excited to have more people, hopefully coming out here and visiting us too. Yes, I will see you on my next visit adventure on Virginia. Outdoor Adventures is inspired by and supported by listeners like you, which is why your messages and feedback means so much to me. You can text me directly by clicking on Send Jessica a text message in your show notes, I answer questions, respond to comments and share your feedback on the show. Never miss a new episode. Sign up for my email newsletter and receive my listener resource guide with the top podcast episodes a Virginia outdoor bucket list and exclusive brand discounts for my listeners. Click on newsletter.
• 29:47
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• 30:00
  Unknown: You.