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M and M Extra 05.05.26 - Megyn Kelly vs. Trump · The M&M Experience

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  Speaker 2: The kindergarten Day two is underway, guys, it says, and
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  Speaker 2: I'm in a great mood. And I'm in a great
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  Speaker 2: mood because not only are we loving this this new
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  Speaker 2: unique show called eminem Extra. A few minutes ago, I
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  Speaker 2: got to interview Dana Perino and I kind of fan
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  Speaker 2: boyed out because I really like her, and you know what,
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  Speaker 2: She's terrific and she has an ability. I think this
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  Speaker 2: is so amazing. You and I talked about this on
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  Speaker 2: eminem Experience this morning, and I think she never gets
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  Speaker 2: in trouble. She never gets into the hot water that
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  Speaker 2: a lot of her Fox News colleagues get into regularly.
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  Speaker 2: That's a gift.
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  Speaker 3: Nobody flames her. I mean the counterparts on the five there,
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  Speaker 3: they'll come after Jesse, They'll come after Gut other people
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  Speaker 3: in the comments haariot. So listen you here's the lesson
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  Speaker 3: of eminem Extra versus radio. You posited that question to
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  Speaker 3: me on the radio this morning, and I had like
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  Speaker 3: sixty seconds to ponder it, and then we got to
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  Speaker 3: go do something else. Just not the deal right here.
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  Speaker 3: We have news stories to cover today, we have things
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  Speaker 3: to get to. But let's let's let's spend a moment.
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  Speaker 3: What is it about her? And who else did you mention?
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  Speaker 3: Our friend Guy Benson on Fox?
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  Speaker 2: They seem to be the two people that never get flamed.
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  Speaker 2: They never get attacked, They never get criticized the way
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  Speaker 2: the others do. Why what's unique about Dana or gout?
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  Speaker 4: Oh?
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  Speaker 3: There are two factors at play. Maybe it's one or
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  Speaker 3: the other or both. One is the nature of what
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  Speaker 3: they say doesn't attract as much venom. That's a maybe
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  Speaker 3: because I think of the points that Dana makes, they
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  Speaker 3: don't tend to be as red hot as the points
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  Speaker 3: that Jesse makes. The other factor might be sort of
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  Speaker 3: the persona, the kind of people that I mean, just
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  Speaker 3: what a sweet, sweet lady she is that maybe there's
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  Speaker 3: just something about that. A lot of other people out
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  Speaker 3: there in the commentary class are sort of sharp elbowed people,
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  Speaker 3: even the good natured ones are sharp elbowed people. Jesse's
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  Speaker 3: a pleasant person. Gutfeld is pleasant and very funny, but
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  Speaker 3: there's something kind of her, there's something scrappy about him man,
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  Speaker 3: and she tends to sort of seem to be a
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  Speaker 3: cut from a different cloth. And so maybe it's a
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  Speaker 3: combination of those two. What do you think?
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know, there there was a book that Linda Ellerb,
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  Speaker 2: remember Linda Lerb from NBS so many years ago, and
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  Speaker 2: she used to she used to, I think there what
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  Speaker 2: was her expression? I thin again, so it goes or something.
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  Speaker 2: But she was very interesting television journalist and she wrote
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  Speaker 2: a book and it was basically, I forget the name
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  Speaker 2: of it, but the theme was, don't trust anybody in
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  Speaker 2: broadcasting who hasn't ridden an elephant at least once. In
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  Speaker 2: other words, all of us in local TV or radio,
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  Speaker 2: we've all had to write, have you ever ridden an
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  Speaker 2: elephant in your career?
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  Speaker 3: It's a Ringling Brothers circus in Memphis. Sure did there?
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  Speaker 2: You go me too, Greenville, South Carolina, Ringling Brothers circus
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  Speaker 2: in South Carolina, and I rode the elephant. And Linda's
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  Speaker 2: point was, unless you roll up your sleeves as a
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  Speaker 2: as a personality, as a media person, unless you do
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  Speaker 2: the hard like ride the elephant, you can't trust him.
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  Speaker 2: And I, oh, it's love that. So by the same token,
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  Speaker 2: I think about sharp elbows and how even in this
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  Speaker 2: podcast space or digital or social media, if you don't
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  Speaker 2: flame somebody, if you're not you know, I mean, look
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  Speaker 2: at Megan Kelly and that's a hot take that I
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  Speaker 2: want to bounce off of you in a moment here
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  Speaker 2: because it got a lot of reaction on my show
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  Speaker 2: earlier today. But maybe Dana just doesn't have but she's
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  Speaker 2: still very successful, very popular. Sheed something Mark, She pointed
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  Speaker 2: something out to me today in the interview that I
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  Speaker 2: didn't know. I said that it's the highest rated show
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  Speaker 2: on Fox New She later corrected me, it's the highest
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  Speaker 2: rated cable TV show period of all you are.
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  Speaker 3: The most since foxes at the top of the pyramid,
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  Speaker 3: they're their highest rated show, would be the highest rated.
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  Speaker 2: Show, but of all of all the and for years
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  Speaker 2: and for years, so whatever they do is right. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: the formula works. I just wonder about I'm just obsessed
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  Speaker 2: this week with this theme, all the animosity and the
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  Speaker 2: blowback against Tucker and uh, you know, Megan and Candice Owens,
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  Speaker 2: they have huge platforms. They've got takes that are not
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  Speaker 2: I don't think correct, but yet they are resonating with
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  Speaker 2: a lot of people, and so you know that's not
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  Speaker 2: who you and I are. We're not flamethrowers. I think
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  Speaker 2: we're a couple of pretty smart guys who like to
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  Speaker 2: banter and kick around issues of the day.
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  Speaker 3: And so we're just we're we're we're we're putting a cap.
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  Speaker 3: We're putting a cap on our own success by not
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  Speaker 3: you know, if tomorrow one of us were to say,
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  Speaker 3: you know what, I really think I got to rethink
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  Speaker 3: this Israel stuff, then you off the charts. The Linda
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  Speaker 3: ellerb book is cold, and so it goes from nineteen
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  Speaker 3: eighty six nice and being eminem extra with rabbit holes extraordinary.
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  Speaker 3: We now have a shared story. We can just take
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  Speaker 3: a minute on how did your how'd you do? Ride me? Elephant?
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  Speaker 3: But spared you heck out of me? I was, I
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  Speaker 3: was petrified. I was. I just you know, it was
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  Speaker 3: how did you? How did you? How did you get
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  Speaker 3: up there?
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  Speaker 2: Not easily?
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  Speaker 5: It was not.
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  Speaker 2: It was rough, I mean it was it was it
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  Speaker 2: was a process. I mean, I remember, it was a
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  Speaker 2: big ladder. It was a big ladder. And the thing
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  Speaker 2: you think people think, and this part of the reason
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  Speaker 2: we do this is to bring our shared experience, whether
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  Speaker 2: it's hanging with Trump or meeting Neil Armstrong or being
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  Speaker 2: in a Broadway play. Riding an elephant, it's a shared
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  Speaker 2: experience kind of thing. So people think, oh, how cool
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  Speaker 2: elephants are cool. I love elephants. I love to ride one.
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  Speaker 2: It was hell on Earth. It's like riding a massive
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  Speaker 2: rock with hair, because you get the first thing you
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  Speaker 2: got to think about. It's an elephant. It's not on
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  Speaker 2: a horse. Your legs are splayed out at ninety degrees
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  Speaker 2: when you're on top of that stupid elephant. It's just
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  Speaker 2: the most uncomfortable thing in the world. And they're not pliable.
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  Speaker 2: It is like a rock with bristly hair. And it
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  Speaker 2: was and it was the longest giant and it's ginormous.
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  Speaker 2: I mean your legs, like you said, you can't even look.
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  Speaker 2: Man is not meant. Man is not made to ride
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  Speaker 2: an out.
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  Speaker 3: If we were meant to write elephants, we di don't
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  Speaker 3: even But all of us.
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  Speaker 2: Have had times as broadcasters, and you and I have
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  Speaker 2: gotten decades and decades of radio experience between the two
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  Speaker 2: of us, We've all done things like that. We've all
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  Speaker 2: done the car dealer remote. I got to tell you
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  Speaker 2: a quick funny story about my my beloved South Carolina
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  Speaker 2: back in the day when I was a local host
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  Speaker 2: and we were on a little station that, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the only talk station in town. And Peg Hudson, who's
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  Speaker 2: might still to this day, my dear friend. She was
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  Speaker 2: the salesperson at the local radio station, and she sold
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  Speaker 2: a Mike Gallagher remote on a Saturday morning at a
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  Speaker 2: at a car dealership in Anderson, South Carolina. Now anybody
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  Speaker 2: knows the upstate, it's Greenville, Spartanburg, Anderson. Okay, it's like
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  Speaker 2: three cities sort of side by side, but it spread
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  Speaker 2: out a little bit and Peggy somehow sold a very
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  Speaker 2: pricey remote to this car dealership in Anderson. Here's the problem.
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  Speaker 2: The radio station couldn't be heard in Anderson, South Carolina.
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  Speaker 2: So we had a problem because we're going to show
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  Speaker 2: up with the station van, the call letters, the big
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  Speaker 2: Marty thing and all of that.
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  Speaker 3: So was this and was you just answered my question
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  Speaker 3: because was this an appearance a come Meet Mike Gallagher
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  Speaker 3: or were you going to actually do a show from
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  Speaker 3: the car dealer he.
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  Speaker 2: Was doing reports, Come meet Mike Gallagher. We've got hot
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  Speaker 2: dogs white he's gonna serve up His name was Whitey Bulgery.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not kidding you, it was his name. White He's
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  Speaker 2: going to serve up burgers on the grill. Now nobody
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  Speaker 2: came because nobody knew we were there and nobody could
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  Speaker 2: hear the station. But here's what we did to fool
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  Speaker 2: the owner of the car dealership. And I'm not proud
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  Speaker 2: of this moment, oh no. But we got creative because
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  Speaker 2: we said, well, the station has the station van has speakers,
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  Speaker 2: and but we can't pick the radio stash it up
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  Speaker 2: on the speakers. So we took tapes and we played
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  Speaker 2: cassette tapes during the remote, so to make it sound
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  Speaker 2: like we were listening to the radio station. All we
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  Speaker 2: were going were playing the tapes. Yep.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, at least, at least at least it was an appearance.
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  Speaker 3: Come meet Mike Gallagher and you know, hey, I'm Mike
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  Speaker 3: Gallagher out here at you know, Whitey's Burgers, and nobody
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  Speaker 3: and nobody have you ever had to do a salespeople?
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  Speaker 3: God bless salespeople, God bless everybody in radio who sell.
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  Speaker 3: It's show business without the business. There is no show.
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  Speaker 3: Without the show, there is no business. We've always had
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  Speaker 3: great relationship. But back in the day, there were people who,
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  Speaker 3: at some point in my life said, let's put Mark
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  Speaker 3: Davis and let's have him do a talk show in
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  Speaker 3: a car dealership or do an actual talk show at
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  Speaker 3: an office supply store. And it's it's a horrible because
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  Speaker 3: listen some talk show, it's fun. I did shows from
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  Speaker 3: the Great State Fair of Texas, from the Fort Worth
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  Speaker 3: Stock Show, those kind of work. It was sort of understood,
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  Speaker 3: it's whatever the show was. It just happened to be
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  Speaker 3: outdoors or in a you're surrounded by livestock. It was fine.
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  Speaker 3: But at one point I just remember, just because of
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  Speaker 3: what was in the news. I'm sitting here talking about
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  Speaker 3: abortion rights in an office supply stores and it was
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  Speaker 3: like this, No, this just isn't right. Somebody's trying to
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  Speaker 3: buy a desk and I'm talking about Roe V. Wade
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  Speaker 3: in nineteen ninety nine. It just was not smart. And
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  Speaker 3: these are the kinds of chunks of wisdom you'll get
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  Speaker 3: on eminem Extra.
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  Speaker 2: Now you wanted to say, okay, let's dive into Megan
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  Speaker 2: Kelly because, as we know, the war in Iran, according
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  Speaker 2: to polling, seventy plus percent of Americans know we're winning,
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  Speaker 2: we're succeeding.
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  Speaker 3: Why do they hate it?
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  Speaker 2: Why does everybody hate it?
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  Speaker 1: Then?
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  Speaker 3: Why does all the same or different poles say that
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  Speaker 3: everybody's against it?
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  Speaker 2: If we're I mean help, well, if I can help,
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  Speaker 2: you have five dollars a gallon gas. Yeah, And that's
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  Speaker 2: that is a real world consequence of trying to prevent
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  Speaker 2: Iran from getting a nuclear your weapon. Now. Megan Kelly
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  Speaker 2: was a guest with Pierce Morgan on his podcast Uncensored,
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  Speaker 2: and I want to share what Megan said with you
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  Speaker 2: for a couple of minutes because her comments evoked a
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  Speaker 2: very passionate response from my audience earlier today. And I
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  Speaker 2: have a hunch that my buddy Mark Davis equally I'm
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  Speaker 2: ready passionate reply hit it.
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  Speaker 6: And that's been one of the main sticking points in
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  Speaker 6: actually having a ceasefire ever since Israel at every turn
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  Speaker 6: turns to warlike behavior, more deaths of civilians. Look at
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  Speaker 6: the journalists who are being killed in Lebanon, not to
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  Speaker 6: mention the children who are getting bombed. Some of it
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  Speaker 6: is on camera, and every time just says, oh, well,
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  Speaker 6: we tried not to. Well, I listened to that. I
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  Speaker 6: listened to that for a good year, two years, And
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  Speaker 6: now I see you doing it in a location after location,
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  Speaker 6: and Lebanon and Beirut is starting to look like Gaza,
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  Speaker 6: and you're unapologetic about it, and you won't work with us,
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  Speaker 6: and you definitely go toed our president into this, though
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  Speaker 6: he has agency and is equally to blame. And now
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  Speaker 6: I'm sick of it, and I don't care. And I
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  Speaker 6: think Tucker doesn't care, and I think you don't care.
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  Speaker 6: Insane people don't care. Call me whatever the hell you want.
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  Speaker 2: I don't care.
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  Speaker 6: I've been called a bigot by the trans people. I've
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  Speaker 6: been called a racist by the blmors. I've been called
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  Speaker 6: now an anti Semite by you folks, truly disgusting person.
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  Speaker 6: Or I just have political takes based on reality that
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  Speaker 6: our mainstream has been a disaster for the Trump administration
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  Speaker 6: and for our country and for the world, I mean
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  Speaker 6: the global fuel supply. Just take a look at the
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  Speaker 6: numbers you've got. American, European Airlines, Middle East Airlines now
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  Speaker 6: completely revamping their forecast for this year. We reported this
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  Speaker 6: morning that American Airlines had projected a four billion dollar
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  Speaker 6: profit expected this year. It's all been wiped out. They said,
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  Speaker 6: the entire thing has been wiped out by the rising
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  Speaker 6: price of jet fuel. Spirit airlines just went over here
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  Speaker 6: in America. They were already struggling for years, but this
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  Speaker 6: didn't help. And all that's going to eventually get passed
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  Speaker 6: on to the consumer. And that's just one example, that's
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  Speaker 6: airline fuel. I mean, forget prices at the actual gas pump,
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  Speaker 6: and the cost of oil in general, which tends to
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  Speaker 6: skiaka energy and other prices. All of that's coming even
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  Speaker 6: if we end the war today. So my best advice
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  Speaker 6: to the President would be give the Iranians the deal
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  Speaker 6: they want. They seem to be willing to deal on
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  Speaker 6: the Straight of Hormuz, which of course is an absurd
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  Speaker 6: place to be. It was open before this war. If
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  Speaker 6: we had just left them alone, we would never have
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  Speaker 6: this problem. But give them a deal to get that
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  Speaker 6: thing back open, because it does need to open back up.
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  Speaker 6: And let them give you a fig leaf on nuclear ambitions,
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  Speaker 6: because look, we already devastated their ability to develop a
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  Speaker 6: nuclear weapon back in June with the strike on the plants.
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  Speaker 6: We know that, we know they were nowhere near getting
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  Speaker 6: a nuclear bomb from our own intelligence community, who told
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  Speaker 6: that to President Trump just before we unleashed this war
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  Speaker 6: on them. So we don't need much from the Iranians
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  Speaker 6: on that front. They haven't gotten better able to produce
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  Speaker 6: a nuke as a result of this war.
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  Speaker 5: Just get out.
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  Speaker 6: Let them give us some stupid fig leaf that we
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  Speaker 6: can declare is somehow a victory. Oh it's better than
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  Speaker 6: Obama must joint you know, agreement and reopen the street,
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  Speaker 6: which is the number one thing. You did decimate pieces
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  Speaker 6: of their military. Great, call it a win. This is
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  Speaker 6: a nightmare. We won't don't have to get into the specifics,
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  Speaker 6: but get out, Just get.
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  Speaker 2: Out, all right? I give you Mark Davis, unleashed, unfiltered, unbridled,
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  Speaker 2: Go ahead, go Is this.
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  Speaker 3: The theme of our opening week of finding these malcontents
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  Speaker 3: and naysayers and analyzing if so, that's okay because it
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  Speaker 3: certainly is a part of the ongoing parade. I was
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  Speaker 3: taking notes while she was talking, which means I got
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  Speaker 3: a lot of notes.
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  Speaker 2: But here I'll be brief. I'll be brief with all
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  Speaker 2: of them.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, the anti Semitic tropes were Israel is causing a
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  Speaker 3: lot of wreckage. Beirut looks like Gaza. Yeah, they're at
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  Speaker 3: war with Beirut. Germany looked like Gaza. Japan looked like
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  Speaker 3: Gaza when we were at war with them. Trump was
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  Speaker 3: goaded into it by Israel. Once again, the evil Jews
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  Speaker 3: are able to lure even the open, even even these
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  Speaker 3: strong minded. These are huge anti Semitic tropes. Not calling
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  Speaker 3: her one, don't know she's comfortable with those index cards.
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  Speaker 3: I'll let you ask her if the Strait was open
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  Speaker 3: before we started the war. Yes, they were. The Strait
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  Speaker 3: was open, and Iran was indeed close to something nuclear
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  Speaker 3: that did disturb the Intel people. She said that the
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  Speaker 3: Intel people knew that they weren't close to a new
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  Speaker 3: before we went in. That is the exact opposite of
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  Speaker 3: what Trump and Rubio and hegseth All said. And ultimately,
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  Speaker 3: just to tie a big bow around it, then I'll
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  Speaker 3: give it back to you. Just go away, just get up.
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  Speaker 3: In fact part the last part I'll say is about
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  Speaker 3: human nature. If you don't like the fact that we're
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  Speaker 3: at war, and she doesn't, you'll find a way to
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  Speaker 3: negatively spin everything. If you do support the fact that
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  Speaker 3: we are at war, as I do, as you do,
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  Speaker 3: you will take a look at things differently. The four
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  Speaker 3: fifty ask, it's it's a it's a I almost want
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  Speaker 3: to say the B word, which I know I could do.
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  Speaker 3: I'll the podcast, I'll warm myself up. I'll warm myself
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  Speaker 3: up to that because I don't want to disappoint anybody.
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  Speaker 3: I know that's hard. I know.
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  Speaker 2: It's a bear. It's a bear.
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  Speaker 3: It's a bear, it's a beast. It's I'm and I'm
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: and I here's another vieword. I'm blessed. I ain't eating
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: dog food because of gas prices. But it's a price
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: I'm willing to pay in order to have a non
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: nuclear Iran. I'm willing to deliver this message to it,
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: to a dangerous theocracy that has been a threat to
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: us for nearly fifty years. So I do support the war.
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: So I'm willing to absorb these things and endure these
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: things for at least a little while. The people who
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: are steadfastly against the war are they have no patience
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: for it, no use for it, So they're going to
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: spin everything negatively. They're not everything she said is wrong.
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: Not everything she said is baseless, you know. And she's
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: and she's totally entitled to to her opinion.
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: You know, the question is going to boil down to
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: whether or not everyday Americans are will to stomach that
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: bear of a challenge at the pump. And that's that's really,
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: to me, the hard to answer question. Because both you
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: and I are blessed with good incomes, it doesn't it's
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: not going to be a financial burden for us to
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: pay five dollars a gallon of gas, but for millions
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: and millions of people. And I've spoken to them, and
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: I've taken calls from people who say this is somebody
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: called me the other day. I drive for a living.
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: I am struggling. I'm really I'm having to ask if
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: I can buy groceries or if I can fill up
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: the tank. I have a you know, I have a
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: big SUV as part of my job, and I deliver things,
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: and so I always have to check myself and say, well,
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: is the fact that it's not a burden on me
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: because of the blessed life that God has given me?
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: Is it fair to say yeah? But everybody else needs
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: to suck it up too. I loved your question, and
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: I asked it on the show repeatedly. All right, if
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: you have the choice between three dollars a gallon gas
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: or Iran with a nuclear weapon? What would you choose? Now,
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: a surprising amount of people, I want both, and I
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: think that's what Trump intends to do. Trump intends to
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: get We're gonna get there. We got to hang in there.
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: The only thing I would just differ with you to
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: some degree. Everything you said there in your response to Megan,
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: to me was just so pitch perfect. I would only
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: ask this question. You use the phrase anti semitic trope.
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: Here we go.
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: Now, Now that's that to me is problematic because I
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: have to ask you specifically to explain what what If
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: you are critical of Israel's role with regards to our
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: foreign policy, if you believe, if you believe, and I don't, incidentally,
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: but let me play devil's advocate, if you believe that
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: Israel has an outsized role in American foreign policy? Is
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: that an anti Semitic trope?
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: No, suggesting that the Jews have this mojo that they
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: are able to sprinkle into Trump's brain to make him
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: do things that he that he otherwise would know are
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: against America's interests.
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: But she didn't say that.
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: She didn't say what she said she said, Well, I
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: paraphrased a little. But she said the verbs he was goaded.
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: Does anybody goad Trump into anything?
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: You're right, You're right, that's true.
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: Do they?
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: But a minute time out, if the if the fact
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: that that that Benjamin net Yahoo, if the claim is
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: he goaded Trump into doing it, why does that make
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: you a Jew hater if you believe that Yahoo had
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: an outsized influence on the president?
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: It because it becomes part and parcel of a long
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: standing narrative that there is something about the Jews, something
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: that ja Jews. There's something about them, some power they
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: are able to to to to to exact upon us,
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: that that puts us under some spell. We must do
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: whatever Israel says. And the other thing that she said
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: that is a huge part of just Israel hatred is
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: is dwelling on the damage done in Lebanon and the
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: damage done in Gaza. Again, it's called a war. Correct
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: About as far as any children or women are non
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: combatants who have been killed or wounded? Do you think
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: there were some women and children and non combatants who
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: were harmed in Germany in World War two? In Japan
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: in World War two? I bet so? Who did that? America?
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: Are we evil? So that's just very selective.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: I just believe that the declaration that any of these
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: these post of you are anti Semitic, I think it's unfair.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: I think it's unfair and what I'm doing. There are
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: plenty of people who are, by the way, filthy, just
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: rank anti Semites. We've seen them in the streets of
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: New York. We've seen them all over the country praising Hamas.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: There's no shortage of antisemitism. But I always worry when
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: everything is anti Semitic, then nothing is anti Semetris. And
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: that's one of the rare moments of not always totally agreeing.
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: On the M and M podcast, the m M Extra,
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: Mike Gallagher and Mark Davis with you here, kind of
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: breaking down the news of the day. You were intrigued
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: Mark by pollster Mark Penn, tell me a little bit
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: about your reaction to the former Clinton polster who has
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: a warning for his Democrat party.
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: Mark Penn is an interesting cat, who's the other where
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: there's another of these Democrat polsters. Doug shown fake, look
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: look at you, look at why I hang out with you?
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: A Doug shoe shoe and Doug shown actual. It's funny.
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: Frank Lun says, I guess a Republican polster, right, But
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: the really good polsters whose clients tend to be Republicans
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: or tend to be Democrats, at least they are aware
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: of what their job as pollsters should be, and that
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: is to deliver honest data and some kind of substantive
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: portrait of American opinion to whoever the client is, whether
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: the news is good or whether the news is bad.
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: The thing I like about Mark Penn is he has
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: been saying that people are unhappy with the Republicans, and
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: let's go ahead and we can fire this one off
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: to here he is, Let's let him use his own
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: words that if you've been hearing that this life is
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: hard for the Republicans, everybody hates the Republicans. Things are
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: looking bleak for the Republicans and the midterms, that may
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: be true, but it's not as though the Democrats are
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: any great shakes, Mark Penn.
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: This is closer than people think it is. People are
• 22:49
  Speaker 5: unhappy with the economy, they're unhappy with the Republicans, but
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: they're also even unhappier with the Democrats. And so you
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: have to say, is this going to be a referendum
• 23:02
  Speaker 5: on the Republicans, in which case that's bad or is
• 23:04
  Speaker 5: it going to be a choice, And are the Republicans
• 23:07
  Speaker 5: going to be able to make it a choice if
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: they do that? When I ask who do you have
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: more confidence in to handle the economy, Trump and the
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: Republicans or the Democrats in Congress. Trump and the Republicans
• 23:17
  Speaker 5: win that fifty three to forty seven. So yes, people
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: are really suffering in terms of the way they perceive
• 23:25
  Speaker 5: the economy and they're unhappy with the way it's going.
• 23:29
  Speaker 5: But the Democrats haven't stepped up and shown that they
• 23:32
  Speaker 5: will do a better job. And that's why I think
• 23:34
  Speaker 5: this election, although usually the in party goes out, is
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: still closer than most people think.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: You think he's right now, I do think he's right,
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: And I understand again that as Dana Perino and I
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: were talking about today, opposing Trump isn't going to be enough. Well,
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: they think it is. They think that's all they have
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: to do. Isaac Shore, who works over at Media one
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: of the he's sort of the pseudo's quasi conservative, and
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: he wrote a piece for The New York Post today
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: how Republicans have a winning mid term message within their grasp,
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: if only they embrace it, he said. Here's what he said.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: Democrats grow more radical on immigration, gender issues, economics, and
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: just about every other major issue by the day. He said.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: Republicans should seize upon that. Thirty years ago, Nut Gingrich
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: offered the contract with America. Republicans today should offer a
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: vote of confidence. Call it the Belief in America promise,
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: a pithy, unifying, comprehensive theme that starkly contrasts with the
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: Democrats messaging. Democrats have spent years running down America as
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: a racist, sexist, out of date experiment in greedy evildoing. Remember,
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: Michelle Obama wasn't proud of this nation until it elected
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: her husband. President Barack himself launched an international apology tour
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: as soon as he took office. Biden routinely presented America
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: as teetering on the brink of a fascistic Jim Crow takeover.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: Believe in America is a message the middle of the
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: electorate can get behind, because it's clear that to all
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: the Democrat elites don't share such faith. Mark, I think
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: that's great wisdom.
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: I got Tingley, I mean, and I like, and I'm
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: not really being flippant about that. Some of the best
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: political messaging. Some of the value, the great value of
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: Reagan was not just that it was intellectually a good
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: sound sales job for conservatism. The morning in America, he
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: made us feel good about ourselves. Not there anything jingoistic
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: or you know, pulling the wool over our eyes or
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: ignoring our flaws, but just saying, you know, dog on it.
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: On balance, we're a pretty great country. This is a
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: pretty amazing thing that's happened here. And we should be
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: able to say this this year, in particular, over these
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: last two hundred and fifty years, over this past you know,
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: quarter of a millennium, we've been able to do some
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: pretty amazing and remarkable things. And how about if we
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: celebrate those, understanding that we have not been perfect and
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: our history has not been without blemish that how about
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: just can we just please maybe celebrate our liberties, the
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: people who protect those liberties, the great things about American society,
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: the things we've been able to do as a country,
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: the lessons in democracy and self governance that we've been
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: able to offer to the world. Could we maybe do that.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: Please well, and go back to the war in Iran,
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: how about we we lift up the United States instead
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: of Iran. How about rooting for the for the United
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: States of America, not turn tail and say, let's give
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: Iran what they're asking for.
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: Is that too much to ask? And it is for
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: some people. Rhode Island Senator Jack Reid, right right, he
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: there was a clip of him and it was a
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: here you go. He was a Democrat out of Rhode Island, Okay,
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: And he was on one of the chit chat shows
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: on Sunday essentially saying that in view of how hostile
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: America has been and all these things that we've done
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: to them, that maybe the Iranians are thinking that a
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: nuclear weapon might be their only protecting They might need
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: nuclear weaponry in order to protect themselves. I could not
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: believe what I was hearing coming out of the TV box.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: Every day, I feel like I'm taking more crazy pills today.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: Moments ago, Luigi Mangonne's attorneys released a statement from Luigi Mangeon.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: Now this is the guy. Now, look, this kid did
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: a lot of damage, and let me tell you why.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: I really do believe that the normalization of political violence
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: began largely with the killing of Brian Thompson, the United
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: Healthcare CEO in.
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: Cold blood on the streets of Manhattan.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: A coward sneaking up behind him, stalking him, shooting him
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: in the back. It doesn't get any more cowardly than that.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: And yet there's this whole category of leftists and Democrats
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: who have lionized Luigi Mangeone. So it turns out that
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: the Palisades arsonist, the suspected arsonist of the Palisades fire
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: in Los Angeles, was a Luigi Mangione fanboy. He loved
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: this guy's uh efforts to uh to stand up for
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: the little person who's being oppressed by the healthcare in
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: whatever the hell these idiots stand for. Are you ready
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: for this? So, as there was revealed that the Palisades
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: suspected arsonist or accused arsonist was a Luigi fan Luigimanjehonn's
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: attorneys issued a statement that Luigi condemns violence of all kinds.
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: Luigi Mangione does not respect anybody who would commit arson
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: and he just wants to take a stand. Luigi does
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: not support violence burning down an entire city. Now that's
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: a bridge too far. He's company, I'll shoot a guy
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: on the street, but please don't, don't don't torch a mansion.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: But I'm gonna put some bullets in the back of
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: a young husband and father because I'm because of healthcare
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: insurance or whatever. This is the nuttiness that we try
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: to sort through every day here on M and M
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: Extra Mike and Mark. And by the way, I speaking
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: of the podcast world, we want to give a shout
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: out to our our mutual friend and colleague Larry O'Connor,
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: who finally relieved you of your middle of the nineties.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: He's Have you ever seen him with Mark Halprin on
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: that Two Way podcast? I have not really interesting. There's
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: three of them and for some reason, and you know
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: how this works with X you wind up like a
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: in a cycle, you know, you keep getting the same
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: stuff over and over again. And I get this two
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: Way podcast a lot. But going back to Candice and
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: Tucker for just a moment, Mark Mark Halprin responded to
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: Tucker's New York Times interview. Now, that was a big deal.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: Tucker sat down, and it was has been widely dissected.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: If you're a Tucker fan, you thought he did great.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: If you think Tucker's lost his mind, it was a
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: train wreck. A lot of people have kind of concluded
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: this was a bad, bad day for Tucker Carlson. So
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: listen to what Mark Calprin said about the way places
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: like the New York Times are now kissing up to
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: the Tucker Carlsons and the Marjorie Taylor Greens of the world.
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: Check this out.
• 30:24
  Speaker 7: Ducker Carlson interview with The New York Times dropped. New
• 30:27
  Speaker 7: York Times is so funny. Their heroes now are people
• 30:30
  Speaker 7: who used to support Donald Trump but no longer do.
• 30:33
  Speaker 7: If you supported Donald Trump, like Marjorie Taylor Green or
• 30:36
  Speaker 7: Tucker and now you're a verse to Trump, boy, the
• 30:38
  Speaker 7: New York Times loves you.
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: All of a sudden.
• 30:40
  Speaker 7: Marjorie Taylor Green and Tug Carlson are the two finest
• 30:43
  Speaker 7: people in America. It's very funny. I'm also thinking about
• 30:46
  Speaker 7: Graham Plattner. Guys, imagine there was a Republican Senate candidate
• 30:51
  Speaker 7: in a targeted race, like a really one of the
• 30:54
  Speaker 7: critical races determining control of the Senate. And imagine the
• 30:57
  Speaker 7: Republican nominee, okay, beat an establishment candidate, and that Republican
• 31:03
  Speaker 7: nominee had a tattoo that was a Nazi symbol up
• 31:05
  Speaker 7: until recently and had said things about rape and about
• 31:10
  Speaker 7: and about all sorts of controversial things. Imagine if that
• 31:14
  Speaker 7: were a Republican Hogan, how would the media cover that
• 31:17
  Speaker 7: differently than they're covering Grand Platner.
• 31:20
  Speaker 8: I think we all know how that would be covered.
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: Of course.
• 31:25
  Speaker 8: You know, I was watching one of the Jon Favreau
• 31:29
  Speaker 8: of the podcast Bros.
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: Doing a thing with Granam Latiner, and you know, they were.
• 31:35
  Speaker 8: Going through all this stuff, and someone unearthed a tweet
• 31:38
  Speaker 8: from a while ago. Ifever says, Yeah, well, when a
• 31:40
  Speaker 8: Democratic candidate has a Nazi tattoo, then call me and
• 31:44
  Speaker 8: I'm like, grandpaaud I didn't have one for like a minute,
• 31:46
  Speaker 8: he had one for like decades. Yeah, and all of
• 31:49
  Speaker 8: a sudden ran for office, got called out for it,
• 31:51
  Speaker 8: and then want to change it. So it's a real problem,
• 31:54
  Speaker 8: I think for them, and I think it's you know,
• 31:56
  Speaker 8: as we always say, candidates matter. We've lost some significant
• 31:59
  Speaker 8: races on our by picking bad nominees. I think this
• 32:02
  Speaker 8: could be the inverse for Democrats, because look, you'll get
• 32:07
  Speaker 8: a certain subset of voters regardless because of the layout
• 32:11
  Speaker 8: of the state, but also the supporting ads from Schumer
• 32:14
  Speaker 8: and Democrat establishment types, and you need all those coalesces
• 32:18
  Speaker 8: around your campaign to win. But I mean, come on,
• 32:21
  Speaker 8: you know, and I know if anybody had a tattoo
• 32:24
  Speaker 8: like that on our side. I mean they scrutinized Pete
• 32:28
  Speaker 8: Hegsa's tattoos all the time. Yeah, and they weren't even
• 32:31
  Speaker 8: overtly Nazi that were like Christian tattoos, So you know,
• 32:34
  Speaker 8: it's always a thing.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: That was of course. Hogan Gidley, the former Trump administration's official,
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: with Mark Halprin, I've been thinking a lot, Mark about
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: the list of media personalities who turned on Trump and
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: how lucrative that became for them.
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: Think about this.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: Look at Joe Scarborough comes to mind, Nicole Wallace, Michael Steele,
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: look at the list of New York Times columnists. I mean,
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: they they do Mark's right, Mark, They love people who've
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: turned on Trump, and they lift them up as virtuous people.
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: While they were Trump supporters, they were just Nazis and dogs.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: But now they're great people.
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: Their value the reason let's say you and I are
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: the New York Times, Let's say you and I are
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: are the top of any liberal ivory tower. We are
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: going to have admiration for other liberals who have always
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: been liberal, always been on the team. Absolutely big thumbs up.
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: You bet you know, family forever. But if you've got
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: somebody who was on the other side and comes over
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: to your sign, somebody who used to love Trump and
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: now does not, that person is palpable living evidence that
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: it can be done. That if we are able to
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: somehow weave sufficient logic and have an ample impact on
• 33:52
  Speaker 3: people that maybe there are others. These are examples of
• 33:55
  Speaker 3: people who can be broken and deprogrammed from their admiration
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: of the Trump and so they are lifted up as examples
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: of the way to live.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: No question about it. I uh, I think that I
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: don't know, it's it's it's frustrating. There's some breaking news.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: I'm just seeing something on online here. Alex Jones has
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: down named the chief political correspondent for the New York Times.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: So that's a big deal. That's a that's a very
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: important top. I'm kidding, Frog's dropping the sky.
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: It's to get your apocalypse if you bought my new supplement.
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: But look, but they but they love him now because
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: he turned on Trump. And I watch these guys and
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: I think, what is the actual reason you've turned on Trump?
• 34:38
  Speaker 7: What?
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: And for Alex, and for Megan and for all these
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: it's it's Iran, it's Israel. I guess I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I thought I thought Alex was always pro Israel, and
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: now Alex Jones have all Alex called for the twenty
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: fifth Amendment to be invoked against President Trump.
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: I know if we're gonna do it, if we're gonna
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  Speaker 3: do an Alex moment, I need to give you a
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: book recommendation, okay, because I've read it, but I've heard
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: the guy I interviewed. It's a young man named Josh Owens,
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: and he wrote a memoir called The Madness of Believing.
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: He came into Alex World just looking for a gig.
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: It was a well paying video producer gig, and then
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: he found out that he was being deployed out to
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: these various projects, some of which were barely valid stories
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: and others were complete concoctions of just points Alex wanted
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: to make. And then it just gets crazier and crazier
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  Speaker 3: and crazier. Now and again, I always look kind of
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: for an agenda about whether somebody kind of has an
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: axe to grind. And I heard him interviewed at length.
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: He's not an Alex fan, but he apparently went in
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: with eyes open and came out with eyes open. Further, so,
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: that is Josh Owens, and the book is the madness
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: of believing.
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  Speaker 2: So so if you were, if you were half the
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: man you used to be, you'd interview him on your show,
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: and then the Alex Jones army can come after you.
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: I'll say, look, it's Davis dav If.
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  Speaker 3: You ever had that happen, ye ever felt their high
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: their wrath?
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  Speaker 2: No? Not really, I mean I look, I like Alex.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: I've listened to him for years. I mean he's entertaining.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I do.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: What do you dislike him?
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  Speaker 3: The Sandy Hook shooting was.
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  Speaker 2: A crisis offers awful, awful, awful, awful, awful. That doesn't
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: mean that you can erase what thirty forty fifty years
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: of this crazy over the top.
• 36:24
  Speaker 3: Yes I can, I mean only only in the following way. Well, God, here, God,
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: is it is there? Can we tomorrow not say the
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: words Tucker Carlson, Here's what I mean? It is? It
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: is it is it is possible for somewhat to do
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: something that is sufficiently loathsome or sufficiently repellent that I'm
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: kind of done with you and I don't care if
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: there are five or six other things you did that
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: were less So.
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: Oh no, I don't. I don't disagree to that. It
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: was awful and the pain when I think about the
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: families and what they were put through after you lose
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: your kid to a horrific, monstrous school shooting and then
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: you've got people threatening your life and you got to move.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: But but look he's done. I guess Alex wound up
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: on a different it's a different platform, right, I think,
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: because he shut down info Wars the other day?
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: Yep, that did the Onion buy info Wars? I mean,
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: what kind of weirdness is that?
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: I know they're trying, they're trying to buy it, but
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: there's all kinds of legal machinations going on.
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: What they are to do with its?
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: All?
• 37:26
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  Speaker 3: a for a day two the met gala, tell me
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: you saw some of the sights and sounds. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: Mark that was that looked like the Hunger Games. I
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• 38:46
  Speaker 2: To symbolize her opposition to the one percent. Now guess
• 38:50
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• 38:55
  Speaker 2: strutting around the met gala complaining that's nuts. It's absolutely
• 39:02
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