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GIANT comebacks, Ohtani’s 2-way day, Skubal’s return date, Why are the Orioles sitting Basallo? · Foul Territory

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Speaker 1: Who doesn't love a good comeback? Who who doesn't love
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Speaker 1: a good comeback? Right?
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Speaker 2: They got to come back on.
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Speaker 1: Anything, anything, any kind of comeback. Right, Who doesn't love
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Speaker 1: a good comeback. You're at a bar, you're watching a
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Speaker 1: team play. Maybe you got a little money on it.
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Speaker 1: They're down a billion.
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Speaker 2: Get you could have no no skin in the game,
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Speaker 2: and you get juiced when you're watching the team slowly
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Speaker 2: make their way back down thirteen, down eleven, down nine.
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Speaker 1: Awesome. We're talking about the Nationals Giants game, right, that
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Speaker 1: was bad? AJ, Can you believe it? That's up nine
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Speaker 1: to one?
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Speaker 3: Have you seen their pitching? Have you seen their bullpen?
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Speaker 3: What a moment for Bryce Eldridge too. By the way,
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Speaker 3: let's not forget I mean that was pretty awesome walk
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Speaker 3: off Grand Slam. But he shouldn't play all the time.
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Speaker 3: You should definitely sit.
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Speaker 2: Not against lefties, definitely not. He can't he can't hit lefties.
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Speaker 2: Definitely can't hit lefties.
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Speaker 1: Guys. His slash line and one hundred nine played appearances
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Speaker 1: to ninety eight three eighty five on base five twenty
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Speaker 1: one slug don't play them, No, don't play them?
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Speaker 2: Aj, AJ knows, AJ knows, don't play them, not against
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Speaker 2: especially not against Merrill Kelly. That is definitely not a
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Speaker 2: matchup that they should be throwing him out there against.
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Speaker 1: If you don't understand the sarcasm, you'd have to go
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Speaker 1: back to an episode from like two weeks ago to
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Speaker 1: understand how hard we pushed for Bryce to be playing
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Speaker 1: every day, because sometimes when you have an uber power
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Speaker 1: prospect who is trying to learn the ropes in the
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Speaker 1: big leagues, it's good to play him every day when
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Speaker 1: your team stinks and needs power and needs the youngest
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Speaker 1: player ever to hit a walk off Grand Slam in
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Speaker 1: Major league history, and we've had this league for a
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Speaker 1: long time. That's what happened yesterday in a nine and
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Speaker 1: comeback win. They were down nine to one in the
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Speaker 1: eighth inning, ninety nine point nine percent chance of losing
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Speaker 1: that game with one out in the eighth, down eight runs,
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Speaker 1: even in the ninth inning, the win probability was ninety
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Speaker 1: eight point seven percent when it was a three run
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Speaker 1: game like that just doesn't happen very often. It's what
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Speaker 1: it was. One of those Katie oh we we.
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Speaker 3: It was a Ktie Wu, it was a Sarah Lines
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Speaker 3: kt wou.
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Speaker 1: Or a kte we if you put them together. Can
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Speaker 1: we show the tweet that we put out last night
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Speaker 1: in regards to the game that led to a fiesta
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Speaker 1: in New York City. I was partying on the streets
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Speaker 1: last night. No video. I'm a private man. So we
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Speaker 1: posted on Twitter, what's the baseball equivalent to blowing a
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Speaker 1: twenty nine point lead in the NBA Finals. We can
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Speaker 1: show one answer now, and then I'd like everyone watching
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Speaker 1: to go to our art tweet. It's a few tweets
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Speaker 1: back and hit a reply and let us know your thoughts.
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Speaker 1: We can show one though. That was just a layup
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Speaker 1: answer and it hits home with the New York crowd.
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Speaker 1: We had a tweet with a screenshot of the World
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Speaker 1: Series Top five Garrett Cole facing Mookie Betts. It's a
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Speaker 1: five nothing game at Yankee Stadium with two outs. That
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Speaker 1: one didn't end up well, No for the.
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Speaker 3: Yankees, twenty eight to three for the Falcons fans, that
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Speaker 3: would be that one.
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Speaker 2: That right, that's a good one for football. I mean,
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Speaker 2: that's such a It's so relevant too because it's so
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Speaker 2: brand new and Garrett Cole didn't cover first in time
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Speaker 2: just in his last start, so it was kind of
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Speaker 2: like rehashed a little bit very relevant, but Knicks fans
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Speaker 2: enjoy it. Ride the highs, ride the.
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Speaker 1: Hyes, that's right. And one more note on the way
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Speaker 1: out here for that Giants Nationals game that maybe not
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Speaker 1: many people were paying attention to, but Giants fans certainly
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Speaker 1: enjoyed the boost. Teams up by eight or more runs
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Speaker 1: going into the eighth inning had won two thousand, six
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Speaker 1: hundred and ninety eight straight games until this one. The
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Speaker 1: last situation like this was May twenty fifth, two thousand
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Speaker 1: and nine, and it ended up the same score too.
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Speaker 1: Eleven ten, Bless You're to Cleveland. The Rays lost to
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Speaker 1: Cleveland eleven ten after leading by eight.
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Speaker 3: The one I remember is the Cubs Phillies. I think
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Speaker 3: it was Cubs and Phillies back in the day. This
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Speaker 3: was it, I think it was. And the Cubs were
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Speaker 3: up big in this game and the Phillies I think
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Speaker 3: came back or vice versa. They were up like a
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Speaker 3: bunch of I don't know. It was like a Sunday
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Speaker 3: night baseball game. Forget I know the Phillies were involved somehow.
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Speaker 3: Maybe it was the Dodgers in the Phillies they were up,
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Speaker 3: they were down like nine runs in the ninth inning
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Speaker 3: and came back and won or something. It was some
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Speaker 3: crazy game. I forget. That's the only baseball game I
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Speaker 3: can remember any thing like that happening.
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Speaker 1: Okay, we'll look it up.
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Speaker 3: Or there was a Mariners Guardians Indians came back in
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Speaker 3: the day where the Mariners were up big. I think
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Speaker 3: it was two thousand and one. They were up like
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Speaker 3: ten runs in the Indians came back and won.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Kenny Lofton, I remember Kenny Lofton running across. But
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Speaker 2: that's all regular season. This is playoffs and the fact
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Speaker 2: that this game for I mean, you know, we're jumping
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Speaker 2: around the Nats Giants. The Giants offense is stunk. And
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Speaker 2: they did it in San Francisco, where you just say
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Speaker 2: where Buster Posey played a career behind a dish and
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Speaker 2: he would go, you know what, we got a big lead,
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Speaker 2: just throw it down the middle, let him hit it.
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Speaker 2: And they still came back, all those things going against him.
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Speaker 1: Charge Pirates Dodgers is happening. I'm still sad that we
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Speaker 1: missed the Otani Skeens matchup that could have been by
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Speaker 1: a day. Skins pitched two days ago, he was fine,
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Speaker 1: the bullpen got blasted. Now fast forward to Wednesday, Shojo
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Speaker 1: Tani pitches fine, but we expect perfection at this point
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Speaker 1: aj And because he gave up some damage, his era
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Speaker 1: has now gone above the one mark. He also was
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Speaker 1: upstaged by a young man named Tyler Callahan, who had
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Speaker 1: his first and second home runs in yesterday's game. The
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Speaker 1: one against Otani was first of his career, and it
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Speaker 1: was a blast. It was like four to twenty six
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Speaker 1: I think on the measurement, and then later had a
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Speaker 1: huge home run for them to give them a lead,
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Speaker 1: and then they needed even more. It's a great game,
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Speaker 1: but Joiotani pitched. He doesn't need to be perfect every
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Speaker 1: time our expectations are high. He's racking up innings. I
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Speaker 1: know it always becomes a cy young conversation, which we
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Speaker 1: can mix in here, but he looks incredible out there,
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Speaker 1: even on days when he doesn't have it.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't think. I thought he looked a little
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Speaker 3: more average yesterday he gave up the three. Obviously, he
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Speaker 3: was in as sharp, and I think they've already kind
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Speaker 3: of they're they're still trying to manipulate when he pitches
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Speaker 3: and how often he pitches, because I think he was
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Speaker 3: lined up actually, I think he was lined up to
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Speaker 3: pitch against Skiing Scott and they bumped him back into
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Speaker 3: So I think that there's already some manipulation going on
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Speaker 3: there when he pitches, and yeah, I didn't I didn't
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Speaker 3: think he did you. Yeah? Did he look good? Yes,
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Speaker 3: but he wasn't as sharp as he was. And I
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Speaker 3: think he went six and ended up going to what
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Speaker 3: six and the third three runs he came up some
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Speaker 3: six and two third j he got my strikeout prop
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Speaker 3: right at the last, right at the end there, but
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Speaker 3: they he I don't know the watch three walks. He
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Speaker 3: hasn't been walking a lot of guys. The Pirates did
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Speaker 3: a good job of kind of fouance some pitches off.
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Speaker 3: I watched a little bit of this game. But you
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Speaker 3: know what, at the end of the day, I mean
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Speaker 3: his era is still one point was at one point
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Speaker 3: seven or whatever to one point six. Yeah, I mean
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Speaker 3: the biggest problem is Hurt came in and blew the
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Speaker 3: SA but uh, great win for the Pirates. But Tony
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Speaker 3: looked he looked, he looked good, not great yesterday. I
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Speaker 3: think the problem is we've come to expect great from
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Speaker 3: him every time out there. It's not gonna happen.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's relative, Like are we talking about
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Speaker 2: a guy that's not giving up more than two runs
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Speaker 2: in any start this year? Like, so that's what we're
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Speaker 2: comparing it to. We're not comparing it to what other
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Speaker 2: guys do, what other good pitchers do. Like we're talking
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Speaker 2: about Shoho Tani almost needing to be perfect because he
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Speaker 2: wants to win the sim because he wants to do
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Speaker 2: something great on the mound. And another thing too, when
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Speaker 2: he was really like at the peak this season and
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Speaker 2: we're talking different in like eight punchouts, no runs compared
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Speaker 2: to three runs six punch outs today, so both really
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Speaker 2: good outings. Is the fact that they were giving him
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Speaker 2: a day off. He ran the bases the night before.
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Speaker 2: It was kind of a longer game because they had
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Speaker 2: that long inning. So he's hitting a little bit more
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Speaker 2: than he was before. Like he's on base more often.
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Speaker 2: Last night he I think he had two hits or
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Speaker 2: one hit, I'm not sure, but he was. You know,
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Speaker 2: he's running the base a little bit more. So I
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Speaker 2: think that conversation it's a fine balance that I don't
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Speaker 2: know how the Dodgers navigate it, but they're going to
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Speaker 2: do the best that he can because I'm sure he
10:08
Speaker 2: wants to be out there, but they also want the
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Speaker 2: best for the team and his health. It's it's a
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Speaker 2: fine line. He's still really incredible, Oh my god.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and right even on a day when he didn't
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Speaker 1: have his best stuff. That's what I'm saying. It's incredible
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Speaker 1: to watch him still go six and two thirds, give
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Speaker 1: up just three runs and also contribute a home run
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Speaker 1: later in the game. Almost added to run. Home run
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Speaker 1: early in the game. Was that the third inning? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: the third inning, Bryan Reynolds robbed him and left field
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Speaker 1: of an opposite field homer against the Gyed Jones four
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Speaker 1: singer that I think was clocked at ninety nine or so,
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Speaker 1: so almost took him deep there, almost at himself a
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Speaker 1: home run early and then late, but he helped it
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Speaker 1: was not enough. The Pirates won that one. So who
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Speaker 1: had the Dodgers winning the game against Skens and then
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Speaker 1: the Pirates winning the game against Otani. That is baseball
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Speaker 1: for you. It's happening. Trek Scougle on Saturday against Cleveland
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Speaker 1: Tigers on a nice little run, although not yesterday but
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Speaker 1: what they won. They're six and two in June. They
11:13
Speaker 1: need to do a lot more to get back in
11:15
Speaker 1: the picture. It helps to have mister Schooble, who returns
11:19
Speaker 1: about five weeks after the nano needle, and it could
11:23
Speaker 1: revolutionize the way that guys recover from the bone chips.
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Speaker 3: Welcome back. We'll see Hopefully maybe they're not. Hopefully they're
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Speaker 3: not too far behind. But I mean, he'll help. But
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Speaker 3: you can't. You just can't throw all of this on
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Speaker 3: one guy.
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
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Speaker 3: I know Terrek School's great, he's won back to back
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Speaker 3: saw Young's, but other people have to do something. It
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Speaker 3: just can't beat. Every time TERREYK School pitch on the fifthday,
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Speaker 3: we got to win because I mean, from ravel does
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Speaker 3: he hasn't looked great. He's got a four and a
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Speaker 3: half era. He's been Jack Flaherty okay, has been inconsistent,
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Speaker 3: to be as nice as we can right mis is out.
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Speaker 3: The bullpen has been inconsistent, the hitting has been inconsistent.
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Speaker 3: You just can't say Turky Schools back now we're going
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Speaker 3: to win the division because they didn't do it last year.
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Speaker 1: And it's loose bodies, by the way, not bone Chips.
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Speaker 1: I think I said just so no one comes after me.
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Speaker 1: Go ahead, crats. No.
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Speaker 2: I was just gonna say they have to go on
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Speaker 2: a streak. They have to go on like a Phillies
12:14
Speaker 2: type of streak. But if you look at the ground,
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Speaker 2: I got lamb basted because I said the Phillies aren't
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Speaker 2: going to catch the Braves in the division. The Phillies
12:22
Speaker 2: have been hot and they haven't made up. I think
12:24
Speaker 2: they made up like a game and a half since
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Speaker 2: Don Mattingly's their manager. The difference with the Tigers if
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Speaker 2: they get hot, the central is winnable. Are the White
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Speaker 2: Sox good yes? Are the Guardians good? Yes? But it's
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Speaker 2: not the difference in first and last place like it
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Speaker 2: is in some of the other divisions.
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Speaker 1: Hey, ABS was not working in Las Vegas last night,
12:46
Speaker 1: so they were like, yeah, we're done with the challenges.
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Speaker 1: In the top of the third inning, the ump announcement
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Speaker 1: happened and Minor League parks ain't perfect.
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Speaker 2: Did you try to get on and off?
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Speaker 1: No, you gotta like the old video games, go.
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Speaker 2: Like, oh, all twelve cameras.
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Speaker 1: It happened to AJ the night before too. I was
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Speaker 1: watching live. I don't know if it happened multiple times
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Speaker 1: because I was watching multiple games. But there was a
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Speaker 1: challenge while I was catching the game two nights ago,
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Speaker 1: and they were like, it's not working, we're going to
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Speaker 1: uphold whatever. It was just called.
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Speaker 3: That's weird. I thought this was a big League park.
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Speaker 3: I don't know, it's Triple A park, So I guess
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Speaker 3: in Triple A they have these problems too. I don't know,
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Speaker 3: it's weird, but you know, the umpire probably loved it
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Speaker 3: because there's no more pressure on them anymore.
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Speaker 2: Quick game, let's go, let's hit the under on that one.
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Speaker 1: That's right. Well, they still have more games there this week,
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Speaker 1: so we'll see will they fix it or will you
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Speaker 1: get unders? Hey, yesterday was pretty low scoring. I mean,
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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say that's on the ump or anything,
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Speaker 1: but it did. It did normalize. They were probably people
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Speaker 1: two days ago AJ that were like, I'm smashing overs
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Speaker 1: all day or I'm teasing and overright, Like teasing is
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Speaker 1: then you can even go to a ten and a
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Speaker 1: half and then pair it with something else and either way.
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Speaker 1: I mean, yesterday was how many runs five? Seven something small? Seven? Total?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so there's pitching duels everywhere, even in Colorado, even
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Speaker 3: in Las Vegas.
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Speaker 1: is not engaged in the business of insurance. This is
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Speaker 1: really bad for Boston. I mean, we just spoke about
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Speaker 1: them the other day to lead off a show and said, well,
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Speaker 1: you know, Crochet and Anthony will come back well. With Crochet,
15:32
Speaker 1: his last stream strain now is apparently a lot worse
15:35
Speaker 1: than what was initially anticipated. So he said he has
15:38
Speaker 1: no idea when he's going to be cleared to even
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Speaker 1: throw a baseball. Initially, when this was diagnosed as a setback, Aja,
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Speaker 1: I remember him saying something along the lines of like,
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Speaker 1: I don't even like that they called a setback, Like
15:49
Speaker 1: I'll be fine, and he's not fine. Sometimes you get
15:52
Speaker 1: the testing and you're like, wait, dude, you might think
15:54
Speaker 1: you're fine, You're not fine.
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Speaker 3: I mean, he's not going to be back at least
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Speaker 3: for we're June eleven today. If he hasn't thrown a baseball,
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Speaker 3: he'll be lucky to be back by August. To be
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Speaker 3: honest with you, at this point, because by the time
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Speaker 3: he starts throwing, he basically has to have a six
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Speaker 3: week spring training, including some rehab starts. So I mean,
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Speaker 3: I'm yeah, you're looking at jeez, probably August at the earliest,
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Speaker 3: if possible, if he comes back at all.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Aj followed him for a long time, right, because
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Speaker 1: you know he ends up with the White Sox. He
16:23
Speaker 1: had his fair share of injuries where they had him,
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Speaker 1: you know, running things in the bullpen, so this is
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Speaker 1: not uncommon for his past.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's bad for the Red Sox. So just another
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Speaker 3: blow to the Red Sox who were supposed to be
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Speaker 3: contenders but they're not.
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Speaker 2: He re established himself Megan thirty two starts in the
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Speaker 2: last two seasons and now he's running some injuries, but
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Speaker 2: overall Red Sox were.
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Speaker 1: Cooked, cooked, right, cook? Yeah, yesterday they fell again to
16:55
Speaker 1: the Rays and we can show that tweet. They became
16:58
Speaker 1: the first team since nineteen oh and usually when you
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Speaker 1: see this since nineteen hundred or since nineteen and one,
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Speaker 1: it's just they don't have the same tracking before that,
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Speaker 1: so they just play it safe. But I think we're
17:06
Speaker 1: good going one hundred and twenty something years. So first
17:10
Speaker 1: team to have their one through three hitters in the
17:12
Speaker 1: batting order strikeout in each of their first three at
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Speaker 1: bats of the game, was that Rasmussen yesterday. It's a lot.
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Speaker 1: It's a lot of punchies strikeouts.
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Speaker 2: I feel like we should make an adjustment at some point.
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Speaker 1: Don't get me started.
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Speaker 3: Strikers don't matter.
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Speaker 2: I mean strikeouts nine out of three guys. If it's
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Speaker 2: the top three guys, we're all nine against Rasmussen.
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Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't think so, but I'll double shit.
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Speaker 2: I didn't think so. I didn't. I didn't think he
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Speaker 2: hit them the third time through. But that's tough. That's
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Speaker 2: a tough day, and I think maybe maybe they're trying
17:59
Speaker 2: to do too much. I don't know, but the Red
18:02
Speaker 2: Sox are in a place. I think we have a
18:05
Speaker 2: whole segment on the Red Sox at some point and
18:08
Speaker 2: how they built that position, player or roster, but that's
18:11
Speaker 2: another day.
18:12
Speaker 1: I think they might have well actually been on Frastmus
18:14
Speaker 1: and I scratched that. And in fairness, I'm not dialed
18:17
Speaker 1: in on every Red Sox game, as we try to
18:19
Speaker 1: watch as many as we can. But the Red Sox
18:21
Speaker 1: are cooked. Like they mentioned, seven innings, two hits, no runs,
18:24
Speaker 1: a walk and thirteen punch outs for Drew Rasmussen and
18:29
Speaker 1: yesterday's win for the reds or for the Rays, the
18:33
Speaker 1: Red Sox just can't get out of Drama's way. And then,
18:37
Speaker 1: like we talked about, with the coaching staff all changing,
18:40
Speaker 1: there seems to be dissension, you change the coaching staff,
18:42
Speaker 1: then you tell the players shut the hell up and
18:44
Speaker 1: just play. That is essentially what they said in that meeting,
18:47
Speaker 1: like let's call a spade a spade. That's why Trevor Story,
18:49
Speaker 1: who never says a word, speaks out, says, don't freaking
18:52
Speaker 1: talk to me like that. And then they're trying to
18:55
Speaker 1: apologize basically, and they keep saying, Oh, everybody's okay, no
18:58
Speaker 1: other changes. Here's the president of the team said today,
19:01
Speaker 1: but we shall see. We didn't get to this on
19:04
Speaker 1: the last segment. But good news on the Ryan Helsley front.
19:07
Speaker 1: He's starting to rehabsignment and they expect he'll need maybe
19:11
Speaker 1: I don't know, a couple oddings, two, three outings, and
19:13
Speaker 1: then he'll be back with the Orioles. That's Jake and
19:16
Speaker 1: j covin Meyer with the news. That's good guys. Ryan
19:19
Speaker 1: Elsley back for Baltimore. I'm telling you, I still like Baltimore.
19:23
Speaker 1: They're playing better. I mean not yet, but I know
19:28
Speaker 1: a long way to go. Okay, let me put it
19:30
Speaker 1: this way, AJ do you like the Orioles or the
19:32
Speaker 1: Red Sox better this year?
19:34
Speaker 3: I love the Orioles because the Red Sox are dysfunctional
19:36
Speaker 3: at this point, right.
19:38
Speaker 1: I don't think the organ wasn't just fun. But we're
19:40
Speaker 1: going to talk about them, and they do have a
19:42
Speaker 1: little drama. But to me, that's like nothing. The Red
19:45
Speaker 1: Sox called what we're about to talk about in our
19:46
Speaker 1: next segment Tuesday.
19:49
Speaker 2: You wouldn't say that if the Orils were in the
19:50
Speaker 2: National League. So yes, I think the Orioles are still
19:54
Speaker 2: in it.
19:55
Speaker 1: Okay, one other note. Max Scherzer mentioned several times how
19:59
Speaker 1: good he felt, which he believes is most important. And
20:02
Speaker 1: you know he came back. He got the big milestone too.
20:05
Speaker 1: What was the strikeout? He picked up? Thirty five hundred,
20:08
Speaker 1: thirty five hundred, Damn a lot of punchies.
20:12
Speaker 2: But he said it was ball was jumping.
20:14
Speaker 1: The ball was jumping. Good fastball's, good change ups, good curves,
20:17
Speaker 1: good sliders. You can have good stuff and you can
20:18
Speaker 1: still get beat in this league. I mean we all
20:20
Speaker 1: know that, right. Ah. How many times you catch a
20:23
Speaker 1: game being like, damn, these are well executed pitches and
20:26
Speaker 1: they're just getting knocked.
20:28
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're they're big leggers too. Pitchers are good, the
20:31
Speaker 3: hitters are good. Sometimes it ain't your day sometimes it
20:33
Speaker 3: is your day. Throw balls right down in the middle.
20:35
Speaker 3: They get popped up. It's Baseball's tough. But you know, listen,
20:38
Speaker 3: Max Suress had a great career and we've got some
20:40
Speaker 3: thirty five hundred. I was a couple of those. Be
20:42
Speaker 3: a first ballot Hall of Famer. He just keeps doing it.
20:45
Speaker 1: You know.
20:45
Speaker 3: Just need him to stay healthy. You need him just
20:46
Speaker 3: to stay out on the mound.
20:49
Speaker 1: Yeah. And when I hear that, seriously, I think if
20:53
Speaker 1: Max felt good, I want to see what the next
20:55
Speaker 1: start looks like, and I'm probably gonna bet on the
20:57
Speaker 1: next start. Seriously. I mean, the numbers aren't going to
20:59
Speaker 1: pick up on that, but if he felt like he
21:00
Speaker 1: had good stuff, I would expect better results next time around.
21:04
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what he said.
21:05
Speaker 1: That's what he said.
21:07
Speaker 2: That's what he said.
21:09
Speaker 1: That's what he said. All Right, we've got some back
21:13
Speaker 1: and forth between a young catcher for the Orioles and
21:15
Speaker 1: Samuel Bissio and their manager Craig Albernas. Remember that Adlie
21:20
Speaker 1: Ruschman has been going through it with injury. So Basio
21:23
Speaker 1: now going through it. A growth in his left wrist.
21:25
Speaker 1: Apparently it's something he's dealt with his entire baseball career,
21:28
Speaker 1: and that was aggravated in a collision the other day
21:32
Speaker 1: on Sunday, So then he missed a couple of days
21:34
Speaker 1: in a row. And Albernaz kind of started this off
21:37
Speaker 1: by saying, I think this was on Tuesday or Wednesday.
21:40
Speaker 1: One of the things with Sammy is knowing his body
21:42
Speaker 1: and playing through some things. Later on in the back
21:45
Speaker 1: and forth with media, he said this is another step
21:46
Speaker 1: in his development, is knowing how to play through some
21:49
Speaker 1: pain and not being one hundred percent all the time.
21:52
Speaker 1: Basio on Tuesday pushed back and said, first of all,
21:56
Speaker 1: that's not a learning experience. I think sometimes you can
21:58
Speaker 1: play with some things. Some times you can say you
22:01
Speaker 1: can play with some things and it's all out of
22:03
Speaker 1: my control if they take me out or not. But yes,
22:06
Speaker 1: sometimes you have to play through those things. Sometimes, no,
22:08
Speaker 1: sometimes you can't. Sometimes you don't have to force that,
22:10
Speaker 1: especially early in the season. And so I want to
22:15
Speaker 1: cut to what Jim Palmer said, who's on the broadcast
22:19
Speaker 1: for the Orioles. When the play by play guy Kevin
22:21
Speaker 1: Brown asked him about the situation, Jim Palmer said, he's
22:24
Speaker 1: the manager. He said, it's about accountability. He's the one
22:27
Speaker 1: that's responsible for wins and losses. All I note, and
22:30
Speaker 1: I said this on Monday night. If you don't play
22:31
Speaker 1: Adlee Rutchman, you don't play Samuel Posio and you're trying
22:34
Speaker 1: to win games. I'm happy if I'm one of the
22:37
Speaker 1: Mariners pictures, I'm elated. I'm joyful. I would send him
22:39
Speaker 1: flowers saying stay hurt. If Passilla was able to play
22:41
Speaker 1: late in the ballgame, I'm surprised he's not in there,
22:43
Speaker 1: that's all. I don't think this is the time when
22:45
Speaker 1: you've lost fore inner road to teach a lesson. I
22:46
Speaker 1: don't care how young you are, but that's just my opinion.
22:51
Speaker 1: So you know, it's helpful when you hear that from
22:53
Speaker 1: a TV analysts around the team every day, and clearly
22:56
Speaker 1: that tells the story because, as you know, aja calling
22:59
Speaker 1: games every week, you're able to get more when you're
23:01
Speaker 1: there and you're in the manager's office. So what did
23:03
Speaker 1: you take from all of this?
23:05
Speaker 3: Well, they're not on the same page, clearly. But I
23:07
Speaker 3: also know never to never to question anyone's pain talents.
23:11
Speaker 3: I say this all the time because you don't know
23:12
Speaker 3: everyone's different. Some guys can play with certain things, some
23:14
Speaker 3: guys can't. Some guys have to play perfect and that's
23:18
Speaker 3: tough to do. But you can never question anyone's pain tolerance.
23:21
Speaker 3: And you know when Jim Palmer, you know, says, what
23:24
Speaker 3: was the lesson? What lesson was he trying to teach him?
23:26
Speaker 3: He needs to play well, if you want to chow him,
23:28
Speaker 3: he needs to play, then you play him, you don't
23:30
Speaker 3: sit him. So I think masioh has always been through this.
23:36
Speaker 3: He's he's learning on the fly. He's really young, he's
23:39
Speaker 3: signed a big contract. Yeah, I think he needs a play.
23:43
Speaker 3: I was surprised Dadley and him didn't play on Monday Night,
23:45
Speaker 3: but hey, you know, I'll be auburnas is there every
23:48
Speaker 3: day he gets to he gets he knows these guys
23:51
Speaker 3: better than I do. So it's his decision ultimately. But yeah,
23:55
Speaker 3: I mean for a manager to come out and say, hey,
23:57
Speaker 3: you need to play through stuff, that's that's tough because
24:00
Speaker 3: then the players like, screw you, dude, you don't know
24:01
Speaker 3: how bad I'm hurting.
24:04
Speaker 2: Now A you always say that about you can't question
24:08
Speaker 2: somebody's pain tolerance as a analyst, as a you know,
24:12
Speaker 2: here on our show, when you're a Fox, you're not
24:14
Speaker 2: gonna question it. If you're managers, you feel like that's
24:18
Speaker 2: okay that Craig questions it.
24:22
Speaker 3: I don't know what he's going through, so I can't
24:24
Speaker 3: question it. And if you're the manager, I don't know
24:26
Speaker 3: how bad something hurts on somebody. I don't know about
24:28
Speaker 3: someone's arm hurts or knee or quad or calf, or
24:30
Speaker 3: foot or toe or butt or finger. I can't because
24:34
Speaker 3: I don't know. It's not my finger. I can only
24:35
Speaker 3: go off of what I know and how I was
24:37
Speaker 3: able to play.
24:39
Speaker 2: But I also know when you played. Herm made it
24:42
Speaker 2: a made it a I think it was a meeting
24:46
Speaker 2: in spring training. And tell me if I'm wrong that
24:49
Speaker 2: he wants to have the least amount of IEL stints
24:53
Speaker 2: in the entire big leagues. You've even said it like
24:55
Speaker 2: you stay out of the training room. So in a way,
24:58
Speaker 2: Ozzie allowed them the trainer to do that, and Herm
25:01
Speaker 2: created an environment. In my opinion, I think Craig Albernaz
25:05
Speaker 2: is trying to create that environment here that you know what.
25:09
Speaker 2: Maybe he felt like it was time to say something
25:11
Speaker 2: to the medium. Maybe they've had those conversations. If you've
25:14
Speaker 2: had a irregular growth in your wrist. I get it.
25:19
Speaker 2: You're one of our better hitters. I get it. You
25:21
Speaker 2: might be hurting. Adlee's not out there right now. I'm sorry.
25:25
Speaker 2: I don't know who the third catcher is for the Orioles,
25:28
Speaker 2: but I need you out there because you are one
25:29
Speaker 2: of our better players.
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Speaker 3: But yeah, But first of all, Herm never had a
26:37
Speaker 3: meeting and said that. Herm, he never who ever came
26:40
Speaker 3: in there. I mean, but you know, the whole key
26:42
Speaker 3: was you wanted to stay on the field. You didn't
26:44
Speaker 3: want to get off the field. So Herm would do
26:46
Speaker 3: everything in his power to keep you on the field.
26:48
Speaker 3: And that was what he was most proud of. Is
26:50
Speaker 3: he's like I had. He had a great uh program
26:53
Speaker 3: pre in between pictures starting pictures to keep them healthy.
26:56
Speaker 3: They had a great run. I'm not getting a lot
26:58
Speaker 3: of guys heard. They also had a great prevention program
27:01
Speaker 3: with the strength coach Alan Thomas, who was a strength
27:03
Speaker 3: coach there for a long time, and Herm talked and
27:05
Speaker 3: Steve Rodgers before that, and they would talk about things
27:07
Speaker 3: to keep guys on the field. So again, but you
27:10
Speaker 3: can't if you're the trainer or you're the manager or
27:13
Speaker 3: you're the GM. You can't you don't know what a
27:15
Speaker 3: guy feels like. You just don't know because you're not them.
27:17
Speaker 3: I'm sorry. That's one of the big things. And also,
27:20
Speaker 3: as we've talked about many times on this show, guys
27:24
Speaker 3: are taught different now. They're not taught to play every day.
27:27
Speaker 3: They're not. And that's a minor league thing, and that's
27:30
Speaker 3: a high school thing, and that's a college thing, and
27:31
Speaker 3: that's an NBA thing where they need their load management.
27:35
Speaker 3: It's a thing. I mean, I remember when I went
27:38
Speaker 3: to the Red Sox, They're like, hey, we want you,
27:39
Speaker 3: you know, after I signed there, like, hey, we want
27:41
Speaker 3: you to probably catch a hundred games, like a hundred.
27:42
Speaker 3: I catch a hundred twenty every year. Like no, no, no,
27:45
Speaker 3: that's too many. That's too many. You only have to
27:46
Speaker 3: catch a hundred. And I was like okay. And then
27:48
Speaker 3: it was like all right, well this is kind of weird.
27:50
Speaker 3: You know, I don't play this dan, I don't play
27:52
Speaker 3: this day. And there wasn't a reason for it other
27:54
Speaker 3: than just hey, we got to get the other guy
27:55
Speaker 3: in there.
27:56
Speaker 2: And I was like, Okay, to me, I think it's
27:59
Speaker 2: a culture thing. I think it's a culture thing. Whether
28:01
Speaker 2: or not he's hurting, how bad Beside was hurting, I don't.
28:06
Speaker 2: I don't know, and I'm not going to say. But
28:08
Speaker 2: if Craig alburn As is willing to say this, it's
28:11
Speaker 2: a culture thing. He wants those guys to be out there.
28:13
Speaker 2: And some people would be like you go down to
28:15
Speaker 2: the braves. You say, well, snit. He always wanted all
28:17
Speaker 2: those guys and maybe that's why they were It's a
28:19
Speaker 2: conversation that's always gonna be had. But when you have
28:23
Speaker 2: younger players and when you are a new manager, I
28:27
Speaker 2: think you do see how things are run and you say, Okay,
28:30
Speaker 2: this is how I feel like we should be playing,
28:33
Speaker 2: and I feel like we should be out there. And
28:35
Speaker 2: I'm going to be the one that pushes on the
28:38
Speaker 2: throttle if I think, hey, I need you to play
28:40
Speaker 2: through this, or I'm the one that's making sure the
28:44
Speaker 2: trainers are, hey, we're gonna take it easy here. I
28:48
Speaker 2: get the load management, all that stuff, but I think
28:50
Speaker 2: that's the manager's job. Because there's very little x's and o's,
28:53
Speaker 2: there's very little lineup manipulation. It's the manager's job to
28:57
Speaker 2: create that culture to put the team forward, and for
29:01
Speaker 2: him to say this, I feel like it's something that
29:05
Speaker 2: has It wasn't just a one time cropped up thing.
29:08
Speaker 1: No, there's something going on here, guys. I mean, let's
29:11
Speaker 1: go back. Let's go back to last starting last Friday, right,
29:15
Speaker 1: so we're today's Thursday. We're going back almost a week.
29:18
Speaker 1: The only time he had three abs in a game
29:21
Speaker 1: was with Sunday. The rest of the time, you know,
29:25
Speaker 1: he's hopping in as a pinch hitter and then catching
29:28
Speaker 1: the rest of the game. That's where Palmer's displaying the
29:32
Speaker 1: question marks. AJ, It's like, this guy can play half
29:35
Speaker 1: a game, but not a full game.
29:41
Speaker 2: You're me today, JA, I don't know.
29:42
Speaker 3: I'm not saying Olpisio. I don't know. It's impossible for
29:45
Speaker 3: me to say. I've learned that. You never never, because
29:47
Speaker 3: there were times when I was a player and I'd say, man,
29:50
Speaker 3: this dude needs to figure out how to play with that,
29:51
Speaker 3: and then they end up being hurt worse than we
29:53
Speaker 3: ever thought. So it's just never. I never judge people
29:55
Speaker 3: on that. It's too hard.
29:57
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I saw it with a catcher one time,
30:00
Speaker 2: and I won't mention who the catcher is because he
30:02
Speaker 2: ended up having a really good career. He got a
30:05
Speaker 2: nickname in the minor leagues for being soft, and the
30:09
Speaker 2: organization said, we need you to not go down on
30:16
Speaker 2: this injury, foul tips, all this stuff was. It was, oh,
30:19
Speaker 2: it was dramatic. He's out in the sixth all that stuff,
30:22
Speaker 2: and he became one of the more durable catchers in
30:25
Speaker 2: the game and had a really good career. But it
30:28
Speaker 2: was a turning point for him. When I talked to
30:30
Speaker 2: him about it, he was like, I didn't think I
30:32
Speaker 2: was being soft. I'm not calling Besio soft. I'm telling
30:36
Speaker 2: you a situation where the organization and the big league
30:40
Speaker 2: staff was like, hey, we could use you, but if
30:43
Speaker 2: you're not available, we can't use you. If you pull
30:45
Speaker 2: yourself out of a game. I don't care what kind
30:47
Speaker 2: of game caller you are, a thrower or blocker you are,
30:50
Speaker 2: we need you in the game. And he rarely spent
30:53
Speaker 2: any time on the IL for the rest of his career.
30:56
Speaker 1: M Like you got as mentioned, this is a young player.
31:02
Speaker 1: This player locked up to a long term deal. Everybody
31:04
Speaker 1: wants him good to go long term. I mean the
31:07
Speaker 1: other thing in this is he's been dealing with it
31:09
Speaker 1: his entire baseball career already. What's that like three years right?
31:15
Speaker 2: Like, I mean he's young, young, but but.
31:19
Speaker 1: I mean that's never great. No doctor here, but growth
31:23
Speaker 1: in left wrist at twenty one years old. It's the
31:26
Speaker 1: problem he's been dealing with. It's not great. It's tough. Yeah,
31:32
Speaker 1: I mean, we don't know all the details of it.
31:34
Speaker 1: But that's why I wanted to bring it up. It's
31:36
Speaker 1: hard for us to go all in on this AJ because,
31:39
Speaker 1: like you said, we don't know the whole story. We
31:41
Speaker 1: don't know the pain tolerance and all that. The only
31:43
Speaker 1: thing we do know is it doesn't sound like you're
31:46
Speaker 1: on the same page when someone comes out and says
31:48
Speaker 1: one thing, hey, we want him to play, and the
31:49
Speaker 1: other was like they should be playing me, you know.
31:54
Speaker 3: I mean Nick Marktagos had a big thing on his
31:56
Speaker 3: wrist his whole career. He played with it every day
31:57
Speaker 3: and it was this big lump on his wrist. You've
32:00
Speaker 3: called it his power bunny. He'd goof around and go
32:04
Speaker 3: this big thing on his wrist. I mean, but I
32:06
Speaker 3: don't know if he played with it every day. Again,
32:08
Speaker 3: I don't know. There's guys that can pitch through stuff.
32:10
Speaker 3: Mark Burley pitched you stuff, but then there's other guys
32:13
Speaker 3: you play with they couldn't pitch you stuff also. I mean,
32:15
Speaker 3: it's just the way it is.
32:19
Speaker 1: Yeah, and this is the guy they need racking as
32:22
Speaker 1: many abs as possible, especially right now. You know that's
32:29
Speaker 1: got to be the whole thing with the Orioles, is
32:31
Speaker 1: you need Gunner to be Gunner like you've talked about. Yeah,
32:34
Speaker 1: these are your guys, Gunner and Adley and Bisio and
32:37
Speaker 1: Pete Alonzo. You need that all coming together. There's good
32:41
Speaker 1: names on paper here. You know, Jackson Holliday hasn't really
32:43
Speaker 1: gotten going yet. He had a super late start to
32:46
Speaker 1: the season. So there's good names on paper here. But
32:49
Speaker 1: to be continued for the Orioles, just keeping track of
32:52
Speaker 1: the playing time there and if there's anything else publicly,
32:55
Speaker 1: my guess is this story got enough attention in Baltimore
32:59
Speaker 1: that there was a little back and forth behind the
33:01
Speaker 1: scenes to kill it. That's usually what happens, right yep,
33:07
Speaker 1: for sure. All right, Well, we asked for it, and
33:22
Speaker 1: now we have received replies to the tweet that asked
33:26
Speaker 1: people what the equivalent of last night's NBA Finals game
33:30
Speaker 1: would look like in major League Baseball. We had someone
33:33
Speaker 1: that already gave us the line from the World Series
33:36
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago with the Yankees and the Dodgers.
33:39
Speaker 1: After that five to nothing lead was blown by the Yanks,
33:42
Speaker 1: let's get to some others. Oh, they're really picking on
33:45
Speaker 1: New York here AJ two thousand and four, Yankees up
33:48
Speaker 1: three games to love, Red Sox win this.
33:50
Speaker 3: Yeah, but that was a series that wasn't just one game,
33:53
Speaker 3: so that was a little bit different.
33:54
Speaker 1: I agree. This one's just cool, but kind of based
33:57
Speaker 1: off our last conversation, Anthony is pissed or maybe happy
34:01
Speaker 1: about the Mets as a franchise. See this next one
34:04
Speaker 1: really digs in deep. And this is what you were guys,
34:06
Speaker 1: what you guys were talking about. This is cool. So
34:09
Speaker 1: this is stats from two thousand and one, that fourteen
34:13
Speaker 1: that was a game performance for Seattle that was upstaged
34:16
Speaker 1: by Cleveland at fifteen fourteen, a combined forty hits and
34:21
Speaker 1: twenty nine runs.
34:22
Speaker 3: And now and that's the one twelve nothing, fourteen to two.
34:26
Speaker 3: You lose fifteen to fourteen. And that was year the
34:28
Speaker 3: Marritors won one hundred and sixteen games. Look at their record.
34:31
Speaker 3: They were eighty and thirty one. Wow, they were eighty
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Speaker 3: and thirty before that game. They're fifty games over.
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Speaker 1: Damn, and Cleveland was really good. That's what we're talking
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Speaker 1: about back then too. They had a bunch of boppers
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Speaker 1: on that team sixty two and forty eight. But Seattle
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Speaker 1: was historically good in the regular season. They couldn't do
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Speaker 1: it in the playoffs. But damn that that's the best answer,
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Speaker 1: I think, right.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure. I mean, especially against the really good
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Speaker 3: team i e. The Mariners that year. That was when
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Speaker 3: they had they had Arthur Rhodes and they had Jeff
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Speaker 3: Nelson and they had uh oh the Suzaki as their closer,
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Speaker 3: and they're like, nobody did that to them back then.
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Speaker 1: No, incredible, All right, good answers from everyone. A couple
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Speaker 1: other quick notes on the way out. Tiger's reliever Kenlee
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Speaker 1: Jansen was quote a bit rusty and his rehab outing
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Speaker 1: on Wednesday in Toledo, but aj Hinch said he was
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Speaker 1: still on track to be reinstated after a fifteen day
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Speaker 1: minimum stint on the IL, or very close to it.
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Speaker 1: So they're thinking he's going to be back on Friday.
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Speaker 1: They get Schoogle, of course back on Saturday, and we'll
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Speaker 1: see if the Tigers can complete a big comeback and
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Speaker 1: return to relevancy like Cleveland did last year.
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Speaker 3: Well, if you know, that's what they're doing. They're bringing
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Speaker 3: these guys back for Cleveland. I think they played the
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Speaker 3: White Sox after that, so they're trying to here's their chance,
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Speaker 3: and I think the next six games. I'm not exactly sure,
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Speaker 3: but I think they played the White Sox after they
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Speaker 3: played the Guardians.
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Speaker 1: And also Casey meies with a bullpen and if that
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Speaker 1: goes well, apparently he can be back this weekend. So yeah,
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Speaker 1: that's a lot of returns from big time on that
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Speaker 1: are important for them in a little bit of time. Tomorrow,
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Speaker 1: Todd Father Todd, Fraser, Fraser Friday along with Adam Outavino.
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Speaker 1: He's been a guest on the show. We'll have fun
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Speaker 1: with him. We'll talk a little pitching, see how things go.
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Speaker 1: Looking forward to it. Hey, Ja, we will see you
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Speaker 1: on Monday. Monday.
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Speaker 3: We have a good weekend.
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