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Mission Impossible: Rogue Nation · Citizen Frame

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Human nature, my weapon of choice.
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From the moment I killed the young lady in the record shop, I knew you would
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stop at nothing to catch me.
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I also knew Ilsa wouldn't have a choice, whether she broke you that night you
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met or let you go, whether you let her run in Morocco, whether she went to Atlee or not.
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You were certain we'd end up where we are, right now.
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And again, so was I.
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Music.
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We'll be right back.
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The End.
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Hey everybody, welcome back to another exciting episode of Citizen's Frame.
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I'm your wonderful, charming, very good-looking host, Kieran. Right. Okay.
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And Humble, too. Yeah, I see. Yeah.
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We're going to give you the sex of a treat. We just dropped off Mission Impossible.
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Ghost Portacol to you. We're going to drop this one off right now after we're
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done here because I got to say, the ratings for our little Ghost Portacol were through the roof.
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One of our most downloaded podcasts, a new release. and hit so many targets.
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So thank you to all who jumped on that bandwagon.
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And hopefully that bleeds into the Final Destination franchise that we're about to tackle.
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So it should be fun. A lot of people do like our retrospectives.
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And then you've got Shark Month. Yeah. Yeah. By the way, what films are we doing for Shark Month?
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I hope we're obviously Jaws, but what about something like Jaws 3D?
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I actually think Jaws 2 is underrated.
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Well, then they'll be just doing a franchise then. Yeah, I know.
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But it's a bit of a tough one to pick. No, we'll probably do Jaws,
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Deep Blue Sea, which is underrated Jim.
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And then a couple bad ones, like Shark Piranha or something.
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Whatever the fuck you got. Sharknado. We'll figure it out.
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Sharknado. or something. Alright guys here we go.
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This is it this is when the Mission
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Impossible go batshit crazy with
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their stunts and this is all due to Tom Cruise going insane and of course bringing
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on the great great and very talented Oscar winning filmmaker Christopher McQuarrie
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Christopher McQuarrie has directed he's kind of like the Tony Scott to Denzel Washington.
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Him and Tom cruise over quite a few times with
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jack reacher edge of tomorrow top gun
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maverick he's written all those he got the oscar for
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the usual suspects he wrote that he started
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as a screenwriter but obviously made the transition quite
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smoothly to director and he hasn't looked
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back and i like seeing him stuff i like seeing his name in
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the credits and these guys are definitely going to form
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one hell of a great relationship in the near future
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and as you already know yeah i think this
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is where the series really sort of hits the ground running I mean it's very
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good up until this point but I think this is where it really finds its fate
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and certainly you know with Cruise and Macquarie as a double act together you
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know producing and obviously writing and directing with Macquarie.
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Yeah, they really find their feet here with this one and going forward. They do.
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They kind of, Ghost Protocol, how much I still adore it, this kind of fixes
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what Ghost Protocol didn't have.
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Like Vinter, the badass, the bone breaker, whatever his name is.
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But we got a henchman, in other words.
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And then we get the awesome, you want to cast a creepy bad guy,
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you give us Sean Harris, McLean in this. He is so good.
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And he will come back. Spoiler alert, if you didn't know that.
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Yeah, he's a very memorable bad guy, and he oozes sort of evil.
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So, yeah. Yeah. Very, very impressive. We got the whole gang back.
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We got Ethan, Benji, Brandt.
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Our boy Luther is back, full time.
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Yay! The love of my life. She doesn't know it yet, but she'll come around when I wake her up.
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That's terrible. From your cellar? That's terrible. Yeah. Ilsa? Yeah. How we can Lane.
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Rebecca Ferguson calls it stalking, but Ciarán calls it selective walking.
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Bit of a Rich Hall joke there, but go ahead. I call it love.
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Yeah, she doesn't... She'll come around. And neither does the judge.
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It's all fixed. Right, right.
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Oh, by the way, do you know she, her parents, I believe, at least one of her
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parents are actually from Northern Ireland. She actually has connections to here.
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Although I think she grew up in Sweden? Yeah, she's definitely raised somewhere
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else in New York. I know that.
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But you can throw a rock. Somebody's related to somebody in Ireland, for fuck's sake.
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Yeah, well, this is it. Alright, we got Atlee, Lauren, the Prime Minister, Venter, who I like.
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And Alan Hunley's back, played by Alec Baldwin.
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Paula Patton and Maggie Q weren't going to come back, but she got any conflicts.
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Paula Patton's character, I didn't care didn't come back, because none of that guessed her.
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It's just her role was kind of, eh, in the last one. It was a very underdeveloped character. Yeah.
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To be fair to her. Yeah, that's definitely editing issues as well.
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And of course, who I liked to have seen come back, but didn't,
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Maggie Q from the third one. She was a good character in that one. She was decent. Yeah.
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Another blockbuster, 7.4 in the ratings, just like Ghost Protocol,
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and almost 700 million worldwide. There you go.
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We got a new scorer on board. Michael, Gina, Gina, Gina, Chino Cagacho,
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I never could get his name right, but he stepped down.
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And then we've got a new guy, Joe Correa, and he's now doing the score.
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I love the scores for all the Mission Impossible, besides Mission Impossible 2, which was terrible.
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But this one is, it's out of the park, like I said, with most of them.
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But we're going to start off with where protocol left off. Do you like that?
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Yes, we're going to start off with where protocol left off.
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Right. All right. You should get a job, but you know, presenting trailers.
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So you shoot movie trailers. I'd be like, yeah.
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They thought it was safe. But now Citizen Frame is back, and they're better than ever.
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Okay. Okay. The one thing you won't be doing is fucking trailers.
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That was fucking terrible.
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Well, you know, better than yours, anyway. I was like, his name was Trevor.
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Everyone was afraid of him. Until they all realized he was just a clueless twat.
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Rebecca Ferguson thought she was safe. but little did she know that she was
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never getting out of Ciaran's cellar.
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You weren't supposed to say that out loud. I told you that in confidence.
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Her mission, should she choose to accept it, was to escape from Ciaran's dungeon.
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You know what's funny? People are going to listen to this. Oh my God,
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Rebecca Ferguson's been kidnapped by that Ciaran guy and she's just a frame.
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Yeah, call the FBI. Call IMF.
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Call Tom Cruise in. you'd be a shit mission impossible that'd be awesome people
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are like oh my god siren who's siren you mean Kieran isn't this pronounced siren who's she it's a guy oh,
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yeah no no I need to hire me as like a henchman yeah and then be a boring henchman
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ever you'd be like where's henchman Trevor oh uh do you guys realize that Doctor Who's on right now,
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I'd be a great henchman I'd talk him to death as opposed to fighting because
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it'd be absolutely shit at that.
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They'll call you the hangman because people hang themselves if they have to
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listen to you talk about fucking neighbours and talk to who.
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That'd be pretty cool, but Mr. Cruise, if you're listening to this,
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you know, we're available if the pay's right.
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I might have to quit my day job sadly though.
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So, let's talk about bad crazy stunts. I love the fact it's in the opening sequence.
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This fucking thing is awesome.
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I think it was like 12 takes they took off this plane takeoff scene where he's
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literally hanging just from a cord from this plane.
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Yeah, I think it was like six or seven times. I can't remember,
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but it was multiple times they took off.
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He's a crazy bastard, basically. Fucking love him. Fucking love him,
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man. Yeah. And the whole scene is just so set up well.
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And he's like, where's Ethan? They're arguing, you know.
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Yeah, Benji and Luther. Rames and the gang.
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And where's Ethan and he just jumps on the fucking wing,
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He goes up with Ethan shouting at Ben. He opened the door, opened the door,
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you know, from his computer. He goes, it's open. He goes, it's the wrong one, you know.
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So fucking good. What a great scene. I mean, again, some of these stunts we
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can't describe. You got to see it, which I'm sure people listening to this have
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already seen it. It's fucking amazing.
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No, I've, I've, over, over the years, I've really grown to respect and like Tom Cruise a lot.
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Especially with stuff like this, you know, obviously. And he's just a total professional.
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And I think he's a real credit to the movie industry. You know.
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And, you know, yes, I've had issues with him in the past, but not that he gives a shit.
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But I think the real point in his career, the real sort of point where I grew
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to like him is whenever he got his hair cut.
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I think he stopped all the irritating stuff, you know, that he was doing,
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you know, jumping on Oprah's sofa while he had the longer hair.
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So once he got his hair cut, he sort of liked Samson, but instead of losing
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his strength, he gained it, you know.
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But yes, I do like Cruz a lot. Yeah. He's bang for the buck.
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And yeah, it's just a wonderful opening sequence. And the whole,
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and then when he finally gets into the plane, he parachutes himself and he ties
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himself to the cargo that they need to get.
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And he sees the gunman and he just looks at him and he nudges and he takes off.
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And the thing kicks in. And then we get our fucking cool credits.
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But yeah, I just love the whole thing. And I do like the fact that the IMF is
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still under investigation for misconduct because this is carrying over from the last film.
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Yes, along with the syndicate that they investigate in this film,
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that was set up at the end of the last one.
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Even though they all might have characters that come back, this is the first
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one where well, instead of the protocol, where they start to bleed into each other.
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Yes. Well, this is a direct continuation.
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I love this.
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Sequence, especially I see with the introduction of lame played by guy.
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I always like to see Sean Harris and, and don't fucking even mention Dr. Who.
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I swear to God, if you mentioned Dr. Who at all with Sean Harris, I will kill you.
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I know you're just waiting because he's fucking English or Scottish.
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But just don't. I don't believe he's ever been in Dr. Okay, good.
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There we go. We're good. We're good. We'll get it. We'll save him.
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Yeah. Yeah. Sadly, but no, no, no, he is, he is quite a sort of,
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up until this point, he was quite a well-known sort of British face on TV dramas and stuff,
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you know, that sort of thing, but he has a great presence here and that is so
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cold and chilling with that opening scene, you know, with Cruz,
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what he does to the girl who works in the library.
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Yeah, well, that whole sequence when he walks into the record shop,
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and it's all jazz and blues and stuff.
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I didn't catch this until I saw this, but I didn't catch this until I saw the
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film again, a little more clear, where when he walks in and he talks to that
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girl, we can actually see Sean Harris in the scene.
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Yeah, in the background. He's in the background listening to
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a record in one of those booths where you can listen to you know music before
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you buy it one of those old classic you know vintage 50s
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kind of record stores in the modern age and but
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he's in that corner and i didn't notice that till i saw it again but it's such
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a great introduction when he sits down he's listening to the record and then
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you think he's getting his next mission or whatever's happening more an update
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on the mission they're currently on but what happens is the mission ends up
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being it's sean harris it's Lane.
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He finds he's being trapped and he's trapped inside this booth now all of a sudden.
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And we see this beautiful young girl who is probably obviously part of the Tom Cruise's squad. Yeah.
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Shazam F. And then gets shot in the head by Lane.
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He can't do anything because he's trapped in the booth. And then you see the.
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Fog of the whatever it is they use to knock him out.
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But what I liked about this whole sequence was the fact, finally,
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And I like my top grooves, but it's nice. He finally gets one. He finally gets...
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He finally gets caught. Well, there's a couple of times here where he fails, including at the opera.
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I know we originally, we'll get to it, but he originally saves at the opera
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the Austrian chancellor or prime minister, possibly.
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But then, well, later on, Lane does get him, you know, at the end of the scene.
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But, yeah, so there's a couple of times he fails, and I think that's good.
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That sets up an actual threat from the villain, where, yeah,
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we're sort of, we're on charter territory here. Yeah.
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I mean, they did this with three pretty well with Philip Seymour Hoffman.
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There's an opening sequence of three where you see Tom Cruz and he's tied up
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and beaten down, and Philip Seymour Hoffman is threatening to kill his wife in front of him.
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We won't go back to that, but it's the one time you kind of see him really vulnerable.
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And just know how to get out of this.
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And so it's nice to see this back. And it also, like you said,
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brings back the villain.
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Like this guy knows what he's doing. He's going to come after you and he's going to take you down.
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Unlike the last Ghost Protocol, they're all kind of just there to.
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We have a proper villain here. Yeah. Yeah. And a proper threat for dramatic purposes. It's bang on.
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Now you'll find out the syndicate is
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a lot like Spectre. The syndicate was initially just a test by MI6. MI6.
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MI6. It was the prime minister and the MI6 decided, let's do this thing called
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a syndicate, kind of like what the IMF is to the CIA.
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Yes. But what happens is Lane went rogue, and this is what happens.
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And our girl, Ilsa, our girl, Ilsa, is there to, is a mole to figure out what
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Lane's whole objective is within the syndicate.
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So she's supposedly been kicked out of MI6, but she's not.
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She's there to try to figure out what's going on.
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Yeah, and at will, the English guy essentially put it to the British Prime Minister
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about starting up the syndicate.
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He was rejected by the Prime Minister, but he went ahead and did it anyway with
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these sort of rogue agents.
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And Faust, the Rebecca Ferguson character She is basically set up to investigate
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it But she's set up to fail And she is disavowed So it's quite complex She wasn't
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disavowed It was set up to make her like she was disavowed So Lane would take her in,
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But she's then betrayed as well. Well, she's betrayed by all of them.
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Yeah. There's no good guy. That's the great thing about it. It's kind of like the CIA.
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Yes. You know, she's by herself. The MI6 is fucking her over.
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CIA is fucking over Ethan Hunt. So that's why I like the relationship between
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these two, because there's a relatability to what they're going through.
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Yes. And I think that's why it plays so well.
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And I would say as well, you know what I love about this one?
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It actually has the feel of an old 1960s spy thriller.
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Not just the James Bond ones, but obviously the ones on TV. Obviously the Mission
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Impossible series, which I'm no expert on.
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But also things like the man from Uncle the Saint and all those sort of 1960s.
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That great sort of golden age of spy thrillers.
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This has the feel of those and I love that. you
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know it's proper espionage whereas the previous film was
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more of an action film for me anyway this is
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a proper spy espionage thriller with double crossing
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and all that yeah uh that's smart that's yeah that's about right yeah and you
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you'll you'll get that just in this scene alone with when ethan gets after being
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knocked out he's hung up now and we get elsa who we think at the time as a baddie,
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helps Ethan escape from this. It's a nice little scene, actually.
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And it's nice to see a woman getting her due. And she actually plays a really
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big part in this. She's not just for looks and for an attraction.
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That's the one thing smart about Mission Impossible. They kind of stay away
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from the romantic element. It's always there.
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They always wink at the audience. It's something going on. But they never exploit
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it. And they never bring it into the story.
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And I like that. They're professionals at the end of the day.
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And they're there to do a job.
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And I have to admit, I have to admit, I love the name The Bone Doctor, and that's Vinter.
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He's actually very good in this, and we need a good answer. Yeah,
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I would say there is sexual tension there, but, you know, Ethan Hunt's married,
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so they don't actually get it on. It's not, you know, they're- He's not married?
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No, he is. Not known anymore?
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I know, but, you know, his wife's in hiding, you know what I mean? No, no, he's dead.
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He could no longer be in touch with her. We'll find that out in the next movie.
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But she's still alive Yeah but they're not together Yeah but anyway You can
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fuck who he wants damn it Right okay.
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But not Ilsa Right I like
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Yeah cause you got her locked in the cellar But
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no basically Yeah there is great
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sexual tension But it doesn't distract From the
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cool stuff and the spy stuff It's very well handled You're
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not rolling your fucking eyes at it like roger
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moore sleeping with all the ladies like in the second one
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with the thandy newton bollocks you know where tom cruise
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oh you're so beautiful i'm like fuck off tom
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just give us some crazy stunts and spice shit you know
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so yeah and full credit again
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to tom cruise i think he because he's basically the real crux of this entire
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franchise so credit to him i think he has improved with everyone and he's realized
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where maybe ones have maybe maybe not failed but have actually fell down a little bit so yeah top dude,
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I love the fight sequence in the opera when they when they try to take the shot
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at the Austrian Chancellor and that whole sequence with Ethan and the henchmen
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on the top of the yes Vanilla Ice crossed with the Terminator.
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But again it's cool because what I like about Tom Cruise in this he knows he's
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a small guy very tiny and this guy's a fucking giant and they play on that.
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And he looks up at him, but the funny thing is there are all these elevated
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rafters, and so it keeps kind of going up and down.
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So when he's looking like a small guy, one starts going up and now he's on his,
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you know, he's on the same length, same height. Yes.
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It's just fun the way the whole thing's, and they have to be quiet because they
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can't disturb the play. Because the opera's going on.
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They can't disturb the play because the assassination has to happen.
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Yeah. So it's great fun and great death too.
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Yeah. Chuck's moving, he hits the horn, he falls on the horns or something. they're
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getting chased in the car with um by the way i
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love the name elsa faust you know that sort of
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harks back to well the devil the um you know
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faust you know so it does and yeah i think she's a great character actually
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so the overall i love her her loyalties are sort of chopping and changing throughout
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the film you know it's just really well played of course by rebecca oh the whole
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character of of elsa is going to be like this like.
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I can't remember what happened. She's more with him in the second one.
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But there's a distrust with her. That's probably what the Faust game kind of
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plays with. You know, do you make a deal with the devil?
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Yes, yes. Well, this is it. So a lot smarter than what you would get from a
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Bond film, which would be just like on the top. Oh, well, no,
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no. I think that's all fair.
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I mean, there have been some smart Bond films, and, you know, traditionally.
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Well, I know, I know, but I'm making a joke. It was just a joke,
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because there's more sexual innuendo with the girls' names. in Bond films. Well, to be fair, yeah.
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Pussy Galore. Yeah. And Holly Goodhead. That's my point.
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I was saying this was just a smarter way of... Giving her a name.
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Playing with the names of the characters.
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Yeah. Holly Goodhead is the infamous one from Moonraker.
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Okay, so you get my point. Yeah. I was trying to say. Pussy Galore.
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Okay, catch up here. Come on, Bronco.
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Catch up. Yeah, I'm just defending Bond here because I'm a bit of a James Bond myself.
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I love James Bond. I have nothing against James Bond.
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You're completely misreading everything I'm saying.
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Nope. Which is not uncommon to you, so, you know. Well.
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See? But yes, the Austrian Chancellor, again, this is where the IMF guys feel.
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Who are off the grid, by the way, you know, after sort of Alec Baldwin has essentially disbanded them.
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But yes, the Austrian Chancellor, they get him. Lian gets him in a car bomb anyway.
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Yeah, I mean, well, the whole thing was moot. And the whole thing wasn't because of assassination.
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Doesn't Ethan say, Lane knew we were going to be there? Yes. He wanted us to be there.
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The Chancellor was dead no matter what we did. It's a game of chess,
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this entire film. Yeah, it was a bait.
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They were baiting it then. Yeah, this whole film is a game of chess between Lane and Hunt.
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And in fact, it's pretty much confirmed by the two of them at the end,
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you know, whenever he's got Benji, you know, with the bomb strapped to him.
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Yeah. I love my gadgets, and I love my sequences.
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The one thing Mission Impossible 3 never had was where, even though it was a
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pretty fun film, they never showed you how they were going to get.
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They gave you the A to C, but they never gave you the B.
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These guys give you the B, and it's going to involve Benji. And I love this
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whole sequence where you got to get the fingerprint, you got the free locks,
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they have to get a mask on. Yes.
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And now these motion-capturing security alarm.
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So when he walks in, he's got to have the exact same movements as this man.
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He's going to be betraying at the same time Luther has to upload the.
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Hit Benji's movements into their computer to make it, you know,
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The other guy's movements. Yeah, overriding the other guys. You got it. Yeah.
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And at the same time, then you got Elsa and Tom, Elsa and Tom,
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Elsa and Ethan, and this whole underwater thing is fucking brilliant.
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Again, that harks back to the, the, how unsettling I found, you know,
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Tom Cruise hanging off the building in the previous film.
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That whole underwater claustrophobia about to drown shit, I find that quite
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unsettling as well, but really well done.
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You know what worked? What's the sound effects? And the reason I say that,
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when he drops into the water, he's got three minutes.
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Yes. But what happens is he loses one of the ID cards. He's got to shuffle them
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around and he starts to panic.
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If you start to panic, you lose more oxygen. Yeah.
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I think... And so... Yeah. But what they use though, it's pretty much a silent
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film when he's under the water.
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All you hear is the of that thing wishing past him,
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but then you also have this little heartbeat
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in the background monitoring his heartbeat
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and it starts getting slower and slower through this
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whole sequence it's really cool and I love the fact all of a sudden Ilsa shows
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up the grapple it's so good oh no no it's really well done you know very tensely
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done I mean obviously you know he's going to escape in the end but it still,
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it works very very well but yeah,
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being forced underwater heights and being buried alive there,
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my three big fears so in this new one coming out, Mr.
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Cruz you better not fucking do a buried alive scene, seriously you know massive
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underwater scene, submarines and all that right, you're right so this is where Elsa portrays him.
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But saves him at the same time and she takes the bike And then we get a fucking
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great, great chase scene.
25:33
And I love when you got Brandt and Luther and Brandt starts yelling at Luther.
25:37
You had to get an SUV. Yeah. Yeah.
25:40
We have, we have to, we have to, we have to, we have to, we have to do a car
25:42
chase and you pick an SUV. Yeah.
25:45
Well, they, they, that's because I like those two for the first time together
25:49
in the franchise, they got really good chemistry.
25:52
Yeah. Bring Reigns and Jerry Reigns. They're almost like the sort of comedy
25:56
side kicks, but they work well and they work well together.
25:58
Yeah. I love the fact when Benji and Ethan's car just quadruple flips.
26:06
Yes. And they're like, what's going on? And then you see this bicyclist getting
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on from, you just see the feet of the bicyclist coming toward the car to kill them.
26:14
Yeah. And then you see the SUV just run them over.
26:17
At sea of some, yeah, yeah, exactly. But again, this bike, and I don't know
26:22
how Tom Cruise learns all this shit.
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He's no helmet. He's like, I'm getting on the bike.
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And this whole thing is just so fun and smooth.
26:31
You know what? They used to do action films, and they did it with Jason Bourne's,
26:35
and I thought they were kind of sloppy.
26:36
As great as the movies are, I just think some of the action scenes become really choppy.
26:41
Yeah. And you're like, and you're like, what's going on here?
26:45
They're action sequences. The way these are set up, the way they're stylized,
26:48
the stump coordinator, fucking genius, whoever he is. Oh, no, they're great.
26:53
And this is a perfect- So smooth. And this is a perfect example of practical
26:58
stunts and effects over CGI any day of the week. I mean, this is great.
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You know, this is the way it should be.
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Proper. I mean, Tom Cruise, is he even credited as a stuntman? He should be.
27:11
He's like, he is, you know, great. And you know this is real.
27:15
You know that's him on the motorbike. There's no green screen.
27:18
There's no CGI bullshit. you know that and that
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adds to the tension and the drama as an audience
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member watching it because you know that this is legit
27:27
you know obviously it's you know fiction but it's
27:30
it's still crews doing the batshit crazy in
27:34
this case motorbike stunts you know um i know you like your your bask sequences
27:39
and this one's kind of subtle but it's so good when brilliant they have to go
27:43
to the they have to go to the prime minister yeah and let them know what's happening
27:47
with the rogue agent Lane and so forth and this whole conversation and then you have Huntley,
27:53
Huntley's back Alec Baldwin's there and you have Brant and they're all,
27:57
they're trying to let everyone know that we need and then the PM walks in and you realize,
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it's Ethan Hunt.
28:08
Behind the mask I didn't catch that when I first saw it, it wasn't obvious at all Oh no,
28:13
it's very well done it's great to see the masks back properly but also Huntley
28:18
You think that Brandt has sort of portrayed Hunt by getting Hunley on board
28:23
for this meeting, you know, with the Prime Minister and Attlee.
28:26
But, you know, little does he know that Attlee is actually Tom Cruise in a mask,
28:31
you know. But yeah, it's very well done.
28:34
Yeah, because they just, and the whole thing was just to get his voice recognition.
28:37
Yes, that's right. Yeah.
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See, just get one thing, they have to go through all this.
28:43
That's what's cool about it. Yep, again it goes
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back to it feeling like a proper spy thriller espionage All
28:49
the stuff with Attlee whenever he double crosses Elsa and stuff By deleting
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the file from the phone that she's retrieved Which is supposed to contain the
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list of the members of the syndicate But it's actually really bank details for
29:03
two point some billion dollars to fund the syndicate But yeah it's just proper espionage.
29:11
On the flip side of that, as you have, during this whole sequence,
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Humley's witnessing what these guys do.
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Instead of berating him in front of Congress or the Senate, wherever he is,
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he actually sees what these guys do.
29:26
And this is where he starts coming on board with IMF.
29:30
But to flip that, the next scene, you have Attlee.
29:33
He's one of the heads of MI6. Yes.
29:37
And he's talking to Ilsa. This is where we find out he pretty much threatens Ilsa.
29:41
He says, you're not coming back to us. You need to go back to him with the drive.
29:46
But what Atlee's done is he's deleted the drive on her. So what's she supposed to go back with?
29:55
Exactly. Because once she shows Lane the drive, she's fucked.
30:00
Now, that's what I don't get. Why is she not dead?
30:03
Why is she not dead? Yes. Yes. Because he tests the drive and gives her the okay.
30:08
Why does not why does not Lane there
30:11
is a bit of a one or two line fix with the
30:14
whole he should have killed her at the start for betraying
30:18
him with you know whenever Tom Cruise is imprisoned in
30:21
the dungeon and she helps Tom Cruise then they
30:25
don't know that actually that one gets a pass because they don't know she did
30:29
that aye but he but Lane's not stupid you know what I mean he's a very smart
30:33
guy so he would have no one and in fact it's pretty much admitted later on and
30:38
there are a couple of one line fixes where she says something like yeah basically.
30:46
This is the last straw with Lane and me you
30:49
know what I mean he knows I'm fucking about but he wants me to get you Hunt
30:52
and this is like my last chance type thing with Lane so he knows but yeah how
30:58
many last chances is she going to get by him because he is cold and calculating
31:02
and he shows no mercy with everybody else so yes that is a bit of a plot convenience.
31:09
So to get what he needs, obviously he kidnaps Benji, right?
31:13
Yes. Again, I like the scenes, kind of like what we just saw with the Prime
31:16
Minister in the big party bash.
31:18
They have to be very quiet and reserved, even though things can get really ugly.
31:23
Yes. Same thing in this scene. And he got the most likable character in the entire franchise.
31:28
Yeah, Benji. Yeah, Simon Pegg.
31:30
Yeah, in a vulnerable situation. And it's in a crowded area.
31:35
Yes. so the conversation like you mentioned earlier it's very cat and mouse
31:40
but like chess yeah exactly,
31:44
and one wrong move by any side and basically they lose but also the bomb goes
31:51
off in terms of the good guys, Ethan Hunt and the team and there'd be loads
31:55
of innocent victims not just Benji.
31:57
See, I think this is where Lane fucks up because Lane's been smarter the whole
32:02
time, but little things like thinking he's smarter than Ilsa and thinking he's smarter than the rest.
32:08
He's the smartest guy in the room. He assumes that. But since he lets Ilsa go,
32:14
his whole plan falls to shit. Yeah.
32:16
Especially when you have Ethan talking to him through Benji going, fuck you.
32:23
I'll give you the discs. You let Benji go right now.
32:27
You don't hold the cards here. He pretty much plays his game.
32:30
Yes. And Lane didn't see that.
32:32
Lane gets sloppy. What I like about it is that his arrogance... Is his downfall.
32:39
Yeah, his downfall. It's hubris, essentially. But with Tom Cruise,
32:45
with Ethan Hunt, he also basically double-bluffs him and says,
32:51
well, actually, I have the disc, the file is unimportant because I've memorized it all.
32:56
Which is a big ask although that is acknowledged
32:59
to memorize all of this in such a short time but yeah so basically in terms
33:06
of wits it's about the wits Ethan Hunt gets the better of him and it's just
33:10
enough and what he has done to Ethan Lane,
33:17
what he has killing the other agent that was in the.
33:22
Record shop to him being tortured to...
33:27
He's one up, Ethan, this entire film.
33:30
Yes. But now, Ethan's now because Lane has kind of showed his cards,
33:35
I guess you could say, Ethan's taking advantage of that and now he can get revenge
33:39
because you don't piss off Ethan Hunt.
33:41
Yeah. And now this is his way of doing this. It's such a great battle of wits.
33:45
Battle of wits would be a perfect way to describe it. Yeah. And.
33:49
And then, obviously, a little more chaos, big chasing. Love the knife fight
33:53
between Ilsa and Venter.
33:55
Yes, and then we'll have the Tower of London. They're in the Tower of London
33:58
as well, where they eventually capture Leon in quite a clever way.
34:04
Yeah, but I like the fact they give Ilsa this big fight with the Bone Doctor
34:09
because I felt that that was technically her adversary because she wound up
34:14
him in the prison when she let Ethan go.
34:17
Yes. So all the characters get their comeuppance through the act,
34:23
through the person that they fucked over in the initial film.
34:26
Does that make any sense?
34:27
No, no, no. It's basically every character has a resolution to their personal
34:32
story. You know, so yes, I like that.
34:35
And also she's quite, you know, sometimes in some of these films you have a character,
34:40
a female character, who'll be beating the
34:43
absolute shit out of basically these guys
34:47
who are about man mountains who are about five times
34:50
the size as them but here it's very well done because
34:53
Elsa is actually well obviously she's pretty good at all the sort of self defence
34:59
stuff and all as well but she's also very clever she's quite cunning you know
35:03
and she knows how to outwit him more than outpower him in terms of strength
35:09
because obviously he's much bigger than her So I like that.
35:13
Yeah, he wraps her legs around him. Yeah. I wish I was him.
35:18
Well, Karen, you would die with a smile on your face. It would be worth it.
35:23
You know, Rebecca Ferguson wrapping her legs around your neck and then killing you.
35:28
I'm okay with that. Yeah. It'd be like, what is it? The praying mantis?
35:34
Yeah, exactly. After you have yum-yum time, the woman just kills you.
35:38
Yeah, well, yeah. yeah you'd be
35:41
happy enough with that i'm sure i'm all right be all
35:44
worth it be worth it so weird there you go i
35:48
do love the eye for an eye i love i love i remember
35:51
seeing this in theater when he goes after a hunt and he
35:54
slides in that little hole and it ends up being a glass cage yeah it's a trap
35:58
and they knock him out like he like he did to ethan at the start and and the
36:03
way sean harris sells a lane is how it's just he's shooting he's he's and he's
36:07
so calm about he's but you can see him because Sean Harris has this way of,
36:12
He's a sociopath, yeah. He's a sociopath, yeah, but he doesn't get violently aggressive. Yes.
36:18
You can see in his face and eyes, and he's trying to shoot through the glass. It's cold. Yeah.
36:24
And then he finally knows he's been, they got him, and he's just looking right at him.
36:30
Yeah. Before he says, fuck it, you got me, and he just looks at him like,
36:33
I'm going to do it. And you know the look Sean Harris gives him is like,
36:36
I'll be back, and he does come back.
36:38
Yeah. But it's Sean Harris. Sean Harris is very good at this.
36:41
And really much, Sean Harris did a film a couple years back,
36:44
and it's fucking depressing, but it's brilliant.
36:47
It's about a soldier who comes back from the war during the Afghan war,
36:53
whatever war it was. Right, yeah.
36:55
And he goes, and he's from a small town. He's a recluse, very quiet man.
36:58
He really feels sorry for the character.
37:01
And how he's just not adapting back to the small town. Yeah, Sebi Street, yeah.
37:07
Doesn't really respect him. and he ends up killing everybody.
37:10
Right. He goes in, grabs his gun, and he starts killing everybody in the town.
37:16
It's soul-destroying to watch, but his performance is amazing.
37:19
Oh, no, it's great. It's one of those characters where you kind of wanted to
37:21
hug him and go, stop what you're doing. We'll try to get you help.
37:24
Yeah, yeah. But it's wonderful. You should check it out. I can't remember.
37:29
No, I'll check it out. I'll look it up. It came out a couple of years ago.
37:33
It was on the BBC, I think it was.
37:36
Uh but he started he started his career in Neighbors I know I'm only joking
37:40
fuck off that I know so I do like the fact in the beginning of the film you had,
37:45
Hunley trying to get rid of the IMF, including the last one,
37:51
and him and Brant were having words.
37:53
And they find out that the only one who could disband the IMF is the second,
37:57
or bring back the IMF, is the Secretary.
37:59
Secretary of State, I believe it is. Maybe I'm wrong. Well, he's a CIA guy.
38:03
Yeah, whoever is the Secretary.
38:05
I believe, I'm pretty confident it's the Secretary of State.
38:08
But anyways, but at the end, I love the scene.
38:11
It doesn't end with Ethan Hunt, which I like. It actually ends with Brant and
38:15
Hunley, and they're walking down the hallway, and all Brant says is, welcome to the IMF, Mr.
38:22
Secretary, because we didn't know the whole time that he was actually been promoted,
38:27
so he has the right now to reinstate the IMF.
38:30
Yes, he basically, the humbly character essentially goes on the journey where
38:35
he realizes that actually IMF are actually the good guys and are doing great work.
38:39
So I got it wrong and he swallows his pride and he says, yeah, let's bring them back.
38:45
He fights for them to get brought back. But not only that, he then becomes their boss as well.
38:50
So there you go. Dylan, Dylan.
38:54
Right. So like the worst version of the theme tune ever. No,
38:58
no. Hans Zimmer's version was the worst.
39:01
Well, it was better than that shit.
39:04
He sent fucking maracas in it and shit. Terrible. Yours was just a noise,
39:10
you know? It was good. You know?
39:11
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39:33
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39:37
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39:40
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39:42
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40:00
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40:12
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40:16
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That's all we have. We're wrapping this one up. Until then.
40:41
I don't know. That's all I have. Speak soon. I always want to say something
40:44
cool, Dan, but I never do.
40:46
Yeah. You got to prepare better for that. You know what I mean?
40:50
Yeah. We'll see you for the next mission. You know, there you go.
40:53
Yeah. I hope you choose not to accept it.
40:58
Well, you'll be on your own now. Yeah. Hi, Kieran. Hey, Kieran.
41:01
What's up? Kieran's lost the plot.
41:05
You're going to gag Rebecca Ferguson, but anyway. Wow. But now,
41:08
now, now people are going to listen to this.
41:09
No, people are just going to listen to that. They're going to listen to that
41:11
and go, oh God, we got to call the, uh, I mean, you know what's funny?
41:14
I'm going to have the fucking police knocking on my door.
41:16
You have IMF knocking on your door, Benji and the gang. That'd be cool.
41:19
You know? Can I get autographs?
41:22
That wouldn't be cool for you. Guys, take care of yourselves.
41:25
Fuck. Idiot. All right. Hey.
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Music.