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S4 E5 - Sibling Killers Pt. 2 · True Crime and Wine Time

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M M. Mine is a little different, is it? Is it lighter?
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Yeah? No, Well, you know, it depends on how you
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present it, right. Maybe I've presented this in a way that because I
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know nothing about them, and I have to be honest, I stopped myself
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from giving it a goog several times. I was like, nope, I
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am gonna have self restraight. This is one of those cases where the longer
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you know, it just goes and you think that you're done, and then
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it goes further. But this is also local to me. Uh and that's
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what's fascinating about this, And it's the Briley brothers in Richmond, Virginia.
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Now I'm saying I'm comfortable saying Richmond, Virginia because number one, I don't
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live in the city, but there's a big that's a big general area.
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So growing up with siblings, or again, in my case, a sibling
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was pretty important. Was it challenging? Sure? Did we fight kinda But
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without my brother I would have had a friend. Like I said, we
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moved every so often. I thought about starting the script with some kind of
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cutesy quote about brothers, but then kind of swerving everybody because obviously that wasn't
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the reality for the Bridley Brothers or or the Bridley Brothers of Richmond, Virginia.
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In fact, it was very much the opposite, so much so that
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I had to take a look into the concept of sibling order and what it
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meant. Also, how could an entire family of brothers, an entire next
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generation take it? So far? Is there more than two brothers? Yep?
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I think a brothers. I think a two Yeah. So this is
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the case of Lynwood, Earl, James Dyrol, Dyrell Earl and Anthony Ray
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Briley. So three brothers? Sorry, what is it? Earl young?
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Oh? Jesus? So there were three brothers middle name by the way?
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Oh is it really? It is? All right? Now? All in
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this his birthday and his social and I'll be fine. I can get to
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that later, right right, right, Okay. I do like their names.
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I just gotta stop. I like their names. Lynnwood, James Dyrol
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and Anthony Ray and Anthony Ray those nice names they are, but they're kind
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of Southern names. They are Ellie j d and are they all are?
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Okay? So, so there was those three and then an additional person outside
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the family who was Duncan Eric Meekins, and they wreaked havoc on the city
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of Richmond, Virginia from March twelfth to October nineteenth, nineteen seventy nine,
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and havoc that would create confusion for locals and police. And they murdered so
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many different ways that the police didn't actually see a pattern. Okay, wait,
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wait a minute, there was more than one murder. Okay, sure
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was, and it spanned seven months. So this case is fascinating simply due
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to the fact that you don't really see much in the way of siblings that
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kill. And if you'll look it up, you'll find things about siblings killing
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each other or genre is a familicide, but not much else. So,
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just to put this in perspective. Regarding the timeline, this all occurred around
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eight years after a judge made a ruling in what was called the Bradley Versus
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Richmond school Board, which resulted in the desegregation of bussing that to white flight.
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So cities said. People in the city said, we don't like this,
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So the white flight went to the counties on the outskirts of Richmond.
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So white people on the outskirts. Black people were inside the city and in
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addition, it was only two years after Richmond's first African American mayor was elected.
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So there's a lot going on here in the old Commonwealth, right,
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that's just a taste. In the same decade, for instance, just to
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give you an idea, Philip Morris opened their cigarette manufacturing facility and the Richmond
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Marathon was established by the newspaper. So Philip Morris Marlborough is now known as
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Aultria, which is now pushing for canceling smoking. But that's only because they
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invested in vaping. So you know, that's a whole nother crid, a
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whole other cride. I just have to stop you real quick, because you
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know, it just just shocked the shit out of me what they were segregating
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and stopping this in seventy nine. Yeah, I was nine years old.
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Welcome to Virginia but also the country. Right, But that just it seems
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like, oh, that was hundreds of years ago, that was in my
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lifetime. I mean, every time I hear stuff about all of that,
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it just shocks me to think that that happened in my lifetime. And and
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I think, you know, what's I don't know, I don't know much
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outside of this case. Obviously, I don't know much. It's possible that
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the schools were desegregated, but the buses weren't, right, I know those
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were later, but still, but any of it is just shocking to me.
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I know. So back in nineteen seventy and eight, the population of
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Richmond was between around two thousand, nineteen two hundred, nineteen thousand, and
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two hundred and fifty thousand, but those should be reversed because Richmond actually saw
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a twelve point two percent population dip. And I don't know exactly what led
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to that, but from what I can conclude, it probably had a lot
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to do with what I mentioned before, the white flight and desegregation of busting.
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Right, So I'm giving I'm giving Richmond kind of a bad review.
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In reality, it's a nice place. You do have good experience, and
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you know other areas, but you know everywhere, right, there's a lot
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of history. There's museums, old cemeteries, for example, Hollywood Cemetery.
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I think it's the only place where three presidents three two three. I think
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three uh presidents are buried in the same place. That's very rare. Actually,
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in fact, it might be the only. But there's a lot of
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good food here too, Hey, foodie, come on down there. That's
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good. Oh my gosh. Everything not not everything, but like I mean,
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you got the you know, you got the grease joints for like you
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know VCU, which is you know, they get out late, they're drunk,
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they want to eat something. But you also have some pretty nice Seven
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presidents are buried in Virginia. Thank you, yes, seven, you know,
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you know Virginia. We we we bring the presidents for better or worse.
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George Washington is buried in Virginia. Listen, as long as Yankin is
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not one of them, eventually, I'm good. We're fine. That's a
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whole nother. Yeah, George, Yeah, yeah, I bet the handsome
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have you knows that I'm gonna have to ask, have you been to Virginia?
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I have been to West Virginia, okay, totally. Oh wait no,
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I hadn't live into Richmond, Virginia. Oh yeah, okay, oh
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yeah, because I had a call center location there that I managed. Yeah,
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I saw Luke Bryan and Richmond, Virginia. Come over. I will
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clean up the guest room. We will stop making it a storage unit.
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Come by. I can sleep in the storage if it's cool at night,
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Can I sleep outside? Because I really prefer to sleep outside if the temperature
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is cool. You've come. It's gonna be fifty tonight here in Austin.
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I get to sleep outside probably the last night of this till the winner.
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That's awesome. So sorright. So this isn't the travel Channel obviously, or
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the presidential I legitimately wrote that this isn't the Travels Trannel. So so let's
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get to the Bridles, right. So the order of the siblings that the
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Briley's is this. Lynwood was born in nineteen fifty four, James nineteen fifty
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six, Anthony nineteen fifty eight, and they were brought up in Highland Park
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and Richmond, which is really coincidental because that's where I form a co host
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from True Crime Lab. Rudy lived for a couple of years. Yeah.
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Yeah, In fact, I don't think he lived much more than a block
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away from where they grew up. Oh no, that mom was busy,
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yeah right, right, I mean she was every two years, whether she
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chose to be or not. Yep. So Lynnwood was not the oldest,
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as they actually had an older brother, Edward, So that was there were
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four brothers, but Edward left their home to live with relatives in his earlyly
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teens, which I consider lucky. Why we're about to find out. Okay,
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So from what's described to the parents and family, overall, they were
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supportive. From the outside, people would describe the brothers as helpful, but
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the inside was far different. And honestly, I think I think Edward left
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because of his brothers and not his parents really, because it wasn't due to
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the parents that the inside was crazy. It was the brothers themselves. So
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the brothers collected exotic animals in the house, and the collection consisted of Now
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this is back in what the seventies, early seventies, late say, I
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wanted to hear what kind of exotic animals were talking about, Boa constrictors,
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tarantulist piranhas. Yep. But you know, it's not that simple, because
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a lot of people do have some of these types of animals. The difference
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is that the three brothers participated in zoo sadism, which that's an sat word
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for basically cruelty and torture of animals. So they had these exotic animals,
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they were cruel and did so they could be mean to them. That's pretty
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much weird. It's leading to so it was so it's okay, be mean
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to the spider, right right, it's Rael. So if you had if
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you had a mom that had four kids that quickly, what would you name?
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What would you think? Her name was Betty Jane? Oh you're close.
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It starts with a bee. Her name is Bertha because she was birth
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and oh my god, there is so much more rum that I need for
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this story. Oh my god, I'm out almost. Oh no, do
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you need a second to go grab some I'm a bad egg. I'm a
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bad No, I'm just gonna have one because I still have hot tub at
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two later, hot hot tub. All right, So Bertha packed up and
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left. She didn't feel safe at all. She left her kids out.
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She left them with her dad at what age? I don't is that here?
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Okay? Their father, James Darrell Briley Senior, was the only person
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that the boys feared. Despite this, their father, their father still kept
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his bedroom door padlocked from the inside during the night. Okay, wait a
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minute, No, what a birth that got the hell out of dodge.
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If dad's having to put a walk oh shit, I know, so you
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know I have so many questions. I do too. I hope you're going
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to give me answers, because all right, so, a lot of people
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would say that susadism is one of the magic kind of three items that leads
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the psychopathy or serial killing. And I'm pretty sure overall that magic three has
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kind of been disproven to a degree, but it's still left up. That's
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a hot take. But I'm some susadism's pretty eft up, as say,
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if you can hurt a living creature in you get joy out of it.
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Yeah, you're fucked up. Yes, sorry, So sliding kind of right
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on into the first murder, Lynnwood, the oldest brother, committed the first
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murder in nineteen seventy one, eight years before the Bridley brothers spree, and
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he was sixteen at the time, sixteen two. As one does when they're
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teenagers and are alone at home, he grabbed his rifle and decided to shoot
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it out of his bedroom window, because why not. The exotics pets weren't
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exotic enough any longer. So fifty seven year old or Line or or Lean
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Christine, the Briley's neighbor, was outside grabbing laundry from the clothes line,
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which for those of you playing the home game was pretty popular back in the
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early seventies, right, Oh yeah, we had one, Okay, So
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I mean washers and dryers didn't really have timers on them until the early eighties,
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and nothing was energy efficient until the nineties. And I look that up.
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Damn it. I work for you. So he just shot was he
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intentionally trying to shoot? So lynn would just quote randomly shot out of his
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bedroom window, but he killed her. So he said randomly, just oh
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hey, I'm gonna just shoot out the window, and she just happened to
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be there, right right, So Lynnwood almost got away with it too,
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almost. So the relatives of or Lean noticed a small blood mark under her
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armpit at the viewing, which led the funeral director to re examine the body,
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and they found a bullet entrance wound where the mark was. So whatever
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the autopsy showed, they didn't look underneath the arm. So they saw the
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bullet. They saw where it went. So here's the part where it kind
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of the cops get kind of Columbo on us, and it's amazing that they
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solved anything, really, to be honest with you, but the detective,
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so here's what happened. They saw where the bullet entered and exited. They
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the detective cut out a sheet ap plywood to represent or leap, and then
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he kind a hole in the plywood to represent the bullet wound. And at
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that point, this very scientific method led him to the Briley home. Say
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it ain't so right, So so they hopped in the house and they actually
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found the weapon that shot the bullet. So hey, you know, it's
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kind of like the equivalent of like trying to like look down the line hoping
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that you catch it. Right. So they approached Lynnwood about it, and
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he didn't deny it, but he also didn't say he did it. He
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didn't run. He said, quote, I heard she had heart problems.
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She would have died soon. Anyways, Oh my god, y'all, Terry
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totally lost her. Pop. I just like that is premedic Hey shit,
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huh yep, that was a random right. So despite this, his lawyer
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convinced the judge it was an accident. He got one year in a reform
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school. And as it is, his brother James got sent to juvenile hall
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for firing on a police officer during a pursuit. So they are a they
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are a winning family and they have no consequences, right, right, They
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have not seen much any year for killing somebody a year? Right If I
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if I could kill somebody and only get a year, I mean I have
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a list. I mean I would give up two years really quick. List.
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So I really don't want to go to jail before we forward, pass
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forward a few years and talk about the murder spree. This case kind of
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gave me a reason, Like I said, to look up birth order,
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sibling relationships, and violence. So I found a really good paper written by
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de Nixa Morales Joshua west Barza, and I think it's Man Gender Cower called
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Briley Brothers The influence of Birth Order, Sibling Relationships, quality, and the
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Normalization of violence on adolescent delinquency. In other words, they analyze the Brinkling
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Brothers to determine birth order. So I say, I'll say this, it
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was written for what I think. I think it was written for a lower
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level class. And by that I don't mean a class of people. I
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mean like a like criminology one hundred class is what I mean. They dummed
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it down. Yes, okay, so I could read it. I found
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that the right me too, right, obviously I did, but I did.
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I did find that the method and the findings were actually pretty sound.
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So I really want to get this mic fixed. Mine keeps mine's got a
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limp thing, and he keeps get limpy. I think, I think I
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needed a microphone because it's not the chord, because the chords brand new.
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It's got to be the connection of the microphone. Okay, So it was
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a sound paper, Yes, it was absolutely sound. So they found they
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found that sibling relationship quality accompanied by deviancy training led adolescence to delinquency. So
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deviancy training occurs when siblings talk to each other about norm violating acts with a
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positive attitude, as if, oh I could kill that guy and to be
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perfectly fine. Ah ha ha ha. So so the more somebody was exposed
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to violence, the more normal they considered those criminal activities to be. Now,
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the Bridley brothers lived in an environment where there was adaptation and desensitization of
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violence through the you know, the animal violence, et cetera. Now,
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to that birth order is impactful because of the delinquency, leader ship personality and
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parental interventions on conflict strategies. So there was no parental interventions right there just
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literally paddle locked his door. Why didn't they pair it? It's a lot
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right, especially for my second rum and ginderial so so older siblings, for
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instance, serve multiple roles. For younger siblings, roles include advisors, role
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models, and caregivers, for instance, not always sometimes firstborns, I saw
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your eyes going, I don't know about care first borns. Now here you
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go. Firstborns have higher neuroticism and conscientiousness. I mean, in my lion,
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I'm probad with calling myself neurotic. Firstborns also might experience falling from the
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throne when the next child is born. That firstborn becomes exhausted when they seek
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attention, and they have a negative impact that has an negative impact on them.
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Now, younger siblings have a higher openness and agreeableness. They're exposed to
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their older siblings delinquent behaviors, so they start to express the same behaviors a
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couple of years after their older siblings, like they did this, so I'm
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going to do this. I know you didn't they get pregnant in high school.
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I don't think your brother did either, though he got somebody pregnant and
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they had to live with this. And I was like, yeah, ain't
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doing that love watch? Well, that's true. And that's also something that's
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interesting is because yes, in the case of the Bridley Brothers, they were
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able to make these some of these generalizations, but they obviously it doesn't work
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for everybody, right, So conflict coping strategies also vary depending on birth order.
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Youth exposed to high amounts of violence may mask their emotions because showing emotions
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can increase their vulnerability to being targeted for violence. So, for instance,
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something violent happens from the old brother, the younger brother says, oh,
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that's terrible, why are you doing that? Well, then the older brother
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then brings the violence to the younger brother instead, like why are you being
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such a whatever? Et cetera. I like to believe. And Betty Davis
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and her quote like why do people call people pussies? Pass Those things can
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take a pounding. So yes, treasure in general normalization was the model for
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the Bridley brothers. It was normalized. Did they know you say anything about
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younger brothers? Also, I think idolize and want to be just like they're
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older brothers. So that's part of it, right, is that you know,
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the older brother does something like for instance, kill a neighbor hanging their
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laundry and it's treated as if it was not a big deal. So now
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the younger brothers see that, and I also see that there really wasn't much
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done to the older brother right, there was nothing done, right, and
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so they're like, oh, this is cool, and he kind of likes
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doing that, so I'm gonna do that too. Oh my gosh, yes,
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that's like right right, So that's that normalization. So the murder spree
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fast forward began in nineteen seventy nine, and it included the three Bridley brothers
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and like I said, an accomplice Duncan Meekins, which Duncan Meekins really sounds
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like an Abbot and Costello gang movie character like or Yeah, So this went
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on, like I said, seven months. It carried out all over Richmond
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the surrounding area, and it terrified the entire community. But they've done a
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really good job not making this a thing because I hadn't heard about it until
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I researched it. I so, yeah, and I've lived here for quite
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some time. Just gonna say, in case power goes out, the beautiful
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lightning is happening outside test in case it all goes and goes out. Just
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heads up, I'm not dead. That's good to No no tornadoes in the
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area, just lightning. I will literally run to you. It will take
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me weeks, but I'll be there. I also am curious to know how
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they got if it was a spree, how they got away with it for
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seven months. So that's got my and a little bit a little bit of
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what you'll see, and we'll go through a time online here you'll see that
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they did things so differently that nothing seemed consistent. So the police were like,
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we don't really do the victimology think, but here's the evidence of how
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I died, and it's not consistent. So they're not good at I don't
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know why they sounded like, oh boy, it sounded like cartoon characters.
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Definitely more goofy So Marks twelfth, nineteen seventy nine, Henrico County. It
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was in a Henricho County home, which is just north northeast ish of Richmond.
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That's right, okay, thank you? I know now, right,
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So listen, no matter how much I went, no matter how many degrees
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I have, I still say, never eat slimy worms. That's how I
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know. Never eat soggy waffles. Well that's fine too. You know,
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it's location, location, location. So these two people were William and Virginia
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Butcher. And if you could think of more Virginian names, I don't think
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you could. So Lynnwood, the older brother, knocked on the door and
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said he had car trouble. He forced his way into the home. He
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held them at gunpoint. Anthony came inside. They tied up. The couple
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robbed the house. As they robbed the house, they doused it with gas
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selene. They looked the match dropped it as they left. M I want
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How old were they? If he was sixteen, they're still kids like seventy
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nine. Born in fifty four. Oh well he was twenty, I guess
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he's older. Still. That's pretty damn young. It's freaking young. So
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here's what They robbed a tv CB radio, a thirty two pistol, and
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some jewelry. Now, William freed himself and his wife from their restraints and
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they got out of there. They escaped just before the house went up entirely.
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So they called the police and identified him, right, No, I'm
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sure they called the police. They might have identified him, but it was
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Heniko versus. They lived in rift. They didn't talk even County to county.
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March twenty first, nineteen seventy nine, Michael McDuffie was assaulted, shot
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and robbed in his home. He was basically he was a vending machine serviceman.
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March thirty first, nineteen seventy nine. Edrick Alvin Clark assumed that everything
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was In seventy nine, Edrick Alvin Clark was shot and killed over a drug
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dispute that involved Duncan Eric Meekins. April ninth, Mary Gowan, seventy six,
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was walking home from her babysitting job. The brothers and Meekins followed her
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broke doorhouse, beat, raped, robbed, and shot her and they escaped
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with a ton of valuables. Yes, yes, m She was seventy six.
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Babysitting, walking home. Yep, and yeah, yep, these guys
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were assholes. I think it's safe to say. July fourth, Christopher Phillips
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seventeen, was hanging around older brother Lynwood's car. They assumed he was trying
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to steal the car. They assumed, so the force get what's about that?
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Escalated quickly. The four surrounded the boy, dragged into a nearby backyard,
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and they wrestled into the ground. Lynwood, despite Philip's screams, killed
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him by dropping a cinder block onto his head. Okay, I told you
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now, I have to say, these are all so randomly different, right,
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I can kind of see if you don't have a description of the people,
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why you wouldn't think they were connected right off the bat, right,
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And so because they're not eating, there's no signature. So even with the
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first people who survived, right, yeah, they might make that description and
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the other murders might happen. But number one, the other murders are in
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different counties or different not only right, it's a seventy six year old,
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it's a nineteen year, eighteen year like, they're all it's everything. There's
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I'm trying to think of a common denominator, and besides these four killers,
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there's not a common denominator so far, not at all, not at all.
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That is thinking also right, And I think it also had a lot
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to do with the fact that it was three different brothers and a fourth person.
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They were all different ages, they all had different preferences, they all
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had you know what I mean. Like also, a lot of these are
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opportunists, say, they're all like crimes opportunity, a center plus Oh my
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god. Yeah. So September fourteenth, John Harvey, also known as Johnny
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G. Gallaher, who was a disc jockey, was performing at a South
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Richmond nightclub. And boy have I been in South Richmond at nine clubs,
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so who knows. He stepped out for a break and he ran into the
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Briley's and they were trolling the town for a victim, and there he arrived,
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and they literally waited for the next person to come out of that club.
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They put him in the trunk. They drove him to the ruins of
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a paper mill on Mayo Island, which lay in the middle of James River,
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which I apparently passed it almost every day and I didn't even know it.
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I've probably been on that Island. They took him out of the car,
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they shot him point blank. They divided six dollars from his wallet,
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and then they dumped him in the river six and he was He was found
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two days later. Lynwood was fast forward a little bit, but Lynwood was
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still wearing a ring stolen from him when he was arrested. All right,
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yeah, that I also need two seconds because I gotta go. I need
30:12
to use the washroom. You got to the washroom, and I'll talk about
30:15
you while you're going. Okay, dude, that's good. That's good.
30:19
So why JT goes to drain his main vein, we will sit here and
30:29
cautiously wait for him. I just told her, ready, you went to
30:37
drain your main vein, you'd be back, and then paused it. It's
30:42
not wrong behind the curtain. So September thirty, Mary will Fong sixty two
30:52
was a private nurse, but the gang followed to her Richmond apartment. They
30:55
surrounded her outside of her door, and then Lynn would beat her to with
31:00
a baseball bat and then they robbed the house. So Common Denominator just found
31:07
one robbery so far, that's only but not all of them were robberies.
31:12
But right, we could have used you and Richmond. In nineteen seventy nine,
31:18
I was nine. I was in love with Sean Cassidy back there,
31:23
Sean Cassidy. I so, And I think people will probably don't think I'm
31:36
being very blase about this, but to me it's not. It's not the
31:42
murders that are blase. It's they're not funny, obviously. But I think
31:48
then I didn't write this. I think it's important to know that, like,
31:51
for me, this is so just out of this world wild, oh
31:57
just fuck wild. This was able to happen, I know. And that's
32:04
that's the thing that you have that that first couple, they had to have
32:07
been able to say what they look like. And you can't tell me that
32:12
even in seventy nine, these different counties didn't run into each other at the
32:16
coffee shop or the If you've got three murders in your town and you don't
32:22
normally have them, you pick up I don't know, I just yeah.
32:28
So it's one of those things where did the dad know that they were doing
32:34
this? Was he scared? I mean, it was probably smart to keep
32:38
a lock on his door. Yeah, And obviously at that point, I
32:44
don't know if they're actually still living with him. I don't even know if
32:46
he was still alive at that point. I hope for his sake it wasn't.
32:51
Yeah, me too. So October fifth, things continue doing. Grace
32:59
Blanche Page who was seventy five, and Charles Garner, fifty nine, who
33:04
was her border. They were murdered. Blanche was bludgeoned to death and Garner
33:07
was assaulted and stabbed to death with various improvised weapons, which include a baseball
33:14
bat, five different knives, a pair of scissors, and a fork.
33:23
When Garner was found. That is random, right, They're very opportunistic and
33:30
I think being opportunity even if you're trolling for victims. If you are very
33:36
opportunistic, This is not a tip, please don't take it. It is
33:42
very hard to track. Garner was found, he still had scissors and a
33:45
fork embedded in his back. So like very much crimes of opportunity. Yeah.
33:55
Finally, October nineteenth, Harvey Worker from Harvey Wilkerson, his wife,
34:06
Judy Barton, who was five months pregnant, and their five year old son.
34:12
Harvey and Judy were bound and gagged with duct tape. Judy was sexually
34:16
assaulted by Lynwood and Meekins. Meekins shot Wilkerson in the head, while James
34:22
shot Barton and the five year old boy. Obviously this has stopped being anything.
34:32
Please tell me that's the last of them. Yes, So, after
34:37
all that time, after all those crimes committed basically in public, police were
34:45
finally finally in the general vicinity of the neighborhood where the final murders happened.
34:52
Now they saw the Briley's and Meekins running down the street and basically at an
34:57
ungodly speed, like we did this thing. We gotta get thoull out right.
35:01
At the time, they didn't know where the shots were fired, and
35:05
the bodies weren't discovered until three days later, but they knew they heard things
35:12
and they saw the running and so when they found the bodies they said,
35:16
oh, that connects to this, and they right now, I'm sure there
35:22
was more to that, but they were arrested afterwards. Then again, they
35:24
were the Bridley brothers. They happened the African American. Maybe they didn't need
35:30
they didn't need more evidence. I don't know. It is seventy nine until
35:37
interrogations followed Meecons Mecon's cut a deal because they always do it right when the
35:49
ship's sinking, rats are gonna cut a deal. What happens? I mean,
35:54
you're not wrong. His plea agreement allowed him to miss the death penalty,
36:01
and they imprisoned him under a new name and away from the brothers,
36:08
so they protected his ass. Well yeah, I mean, if he was
36:13
going to admit everything that happened and put them away, that's three to one.
36:17
Why change his name? Just send him to a different prison in a
36:21
different Do they think they had connections over in West Virginia? Just send him
36:27
to West Virginia. It's not that far down the road. You will know
36:30
very well that the witness protection in prison, basically the Virginia prison system wasn't
36:37
as great as they thought it was wrong. That's like witness protection in prison.
36:45
That's that's why is it the second parton another episode? Okay, so
36:52
oh how many years did he get? Oh, don't worry, we'll get
36:59
there. We'll get to sentencing. So his plea, like I said,
37:07
yeah, yeah, I said that. I mean, I honestly, regarding
37:12
the whole police sentence and everything, I wouldn't want to rat on the Bridley's
37:16
either. I mean, like I've watched the first series, the season,
37:22
first season of OZ, I wouldn't I mean, I get it, I
37:28
get it. But yeah, So in return, Meekins offered information about the
37:34
entire crimes, brief the entire thing. He received life sentence plus eighty years,
37:38
so it's like, you're there, but also here's eighty more. Okay,
37:44
around the time of this conviction, he would be eligible for parole after
37:49
twelve to fifteen. Well, how do you get wait a minute, life
37:53
plus eighty but you can be paroled after twelve. Yeah. The the closest
38:00
thing that I have to this this deal or parole length, right is Canada.
38:07
And Canada does a lot of like the Mac sentences, like forty something
38:12
years, but you're eligible for parole within something else. In Australia does the
38:15
same thing, you know, minimum but twelve years on years. That is
38:22
not even good math. They're both former territories of England, so of course
38:30
they did the same, of course, but this isn't good math. Okay,
38:35
make like Kelly Clarkson and break Away Anthony Briley. That was Kelly Clarkson,
38:40
right, that wasn't Carrie Underwood. What I don't know doesn't matter.
38:45
Everybody. I'm in him on my third drink. Anthony Bracoy, the youngest.
38:51
Anthony Briley got a life sentence with parole, but a lot of life
38:54
sentence. James and Lidwood received numerous life sentences. They faced capital charges only
39:01
where they but the capital charges were only where they physically committed the actual killing
39:07
of the victims. So you know, they gave capital to actual killing,
39:14
which tells me that Anthony Briley or Meekin's actually killed somebody. But Meekins make
39:17
the deal, and Anthony Briley somehow was the youngest, so he got away
39:22
with it. I don't know, But in the end, Linwood was sentenced
39:28
to death for abduction and the murder of gallaher James received two death sentences,
39:32
one for each of the murders of Judy Barton and her son Harvey. And
39:37
then so that happened. All of that happened due to the trigger man rule,
39:44
and that stated quote only the actual perpetrator of the of a capital murder
39:47
is eligible for the death penalty. In other words, only the person who
39:52
committed the physical act of murder or quote pulled the trigger is eligible for the
39:55
death penalty. In Virginia. That shouldn't Linwood. He had already killed somebody
40:00
before when he was sixteen. He should have been an automatic death. Ellinwood
40:08
did get death. Oh no, but it should have been automatic, Oh
40:12
right off the bat, automatic, systematic, hydramatic. If anybody was paying
40:17
attention to the video on Patreon, I spilled rum all over my shirt.
40:23
Great job, JT. At least it was just this time. Last time
40:28
it was me all down my cleavage. So better you, I mean,
40:32
I've got me in cleavage. It's fine. So he did get death.
40:37
So did they kill him twice? So you'd think that was the end of
40:42
it. They were caught, they were sentenced. It's in the bag.
40:45
Well, okay, the bag had a massive hold in it. Oh shit,
40:52
did they escape? So the Brylee brothers were housed in Mecklenburg Correctional Center
40:59
together. They put them all together in the same place, about an hour
41:02
and forty southwest of More. But this was I'm all in the same prison.
41:09
Yeah. Oh for god, Terry. I didn't say we were smart.
41:15
I just said we put people in prison. Oh, in nineteen seventy
41:20
nine or now, so Mecklenburg was a maximum security prison. It was closed
41:27
in twenty twelve due to a decrease in number of inmates in the correction system
41:32
CO Virginia. But also I think the main reason was that it had ongoing
41:37
maintenance needs. I don't think it had anything to do with the decrease number
41:45
it So Mecklenburg housed Virginia's mail death row. It was open in seventy six.
41:52
It cost twenty million dollars in seventy six it had It was a three
41:57
hundred and sixty inmate facility for quote the worst of the worst. Now,
42:00
other inmates that were executed there were Earl Clayton Junior, Derek Lynn Peterson,
42:07
Willie Lloyd Jones, and learned Lem Davis Tuggle Junior. They were executed in
42:15
eighty eighty two, ninety six. If you're anywhere from around here, you
42:19
probably knew who they are if you don't look him up. Clayton, Peterson,
42:22
Jones, and Tuggle, which sounds like a law firm, and obviously
42:27
it does sound like a lot being not far from it executed law firm sag
42:36
So. Back in nineteen eighty three, Mecklenburg was still new. In fact,
42:40
it was only seven years old, and it was promised to be the
42:44
most secure prison. Well, the two brothers, the Briley brothers, and
42:52
four others decided it was time to test that theory. So that was Lynwood,
42:57
James so, Lynnwood, Bry James Briley, Lem Tuggle, Derek Peterson,
43:01
Earl Clanton, and Willie Jones, which truly sounds like the infield of
43:07
a baseball team. I did not write that. I just came up.
43:13
I'm very proud of myself. So one of those guys was executed in that
43:22
prison. Good good, Yes. In fact, writing this, I didn't
43:30
even realize that. In fact, presenting this the first time, I didn't
43:34
even realize that. You're right. Lem Tuggle was executed in ninety six,
43:38
so this was in before that. This was this was before that. So
43:51
oh, actually, I don't even remember that I realized this. Anyways,
43:55
So there were some there were some other prisoners who teamed up to help them
44:02
escape, but most of the folks volunteered to stay behind. I don't know
44:07
why they would do. So they had a possey who would help them escape.
44:13
I'm gonna help you get help, and I'm gonna stay I'm gonna be
44:15
honest with you if I'm in prison and not out, and somebody says,
44:20
I need you to distract the guards. I'm not doing it voluntarily, That's
44:27
what I'm thinking. I wouldn't, but I'm not in prison, so I
44:30
don't know what I would do because I do not look good an orange.
44:37
It not my color. As long as they have pink, right, and
44:43
I don't drink wine made in toilets, you will if you're there. Okay,
44:51
So they had people help them escape, right, So the question obviously
44:57
is why did they determine this was a feasible plan? Will they saw that
45:04
the guards were dismissive about the rules and that protocol was not being followed properly.
45:10
That's when shit goes wrong. Why you have SOPs? Right? So
45:15
at May thirty first, May thirty first, nineteen eighty three, they were
45:22
coming back in the evening from outdoor activities. I'm guessing they weren't kayaking,
45:30
just a thought they weren't. They weren't making friendship bracelets. Earl Klan snuck
45:42
into the guard's restroom and this gave him access. I don't know why this
45:46
given access, but this give me access to the control booth, which wait
45:52
a minute, you got to the control booth from the bathroom, the restroom.
45:55
It's got it. It's almost like, uh, what does that called
46:00
a go between a jack and jill? A jack and jill. It's almost
46:05
like a jack and jill between the prisoners. Yeah, and then the control
46:07
room. Okay, that was a great idea. Who ever built that for
46:12
future thought, don't do that. The guard left the control room unattended,
46:19
basically to get a so okay, James Briley. He asked the guards to
46:24
bring him a book from another prisoner on the opposite side of the facility,
46:29
and they said, okay, sure, this isn't a plot or weird.
46:36
So the guard left the control room unattended to get the book for Briley.
46:44
What Lannon ran from the bathroom to the control room. He pushed buttons.
46:50
All gates to the cells opened and commenced a chaos, got all these people
46:58
running out, except for the people who were scared and stayed in. All
47:01
right, So prisoners outnumbered the guards, and the guards were attacked. They
47:06
were using improvised weapons. They were beating them, stabbing them and worse,
47:12
and the inmates at that point controlled Mecklenburg. Now, how are they going
47:16
to get out? Well, they blackmailed the guards to call in a rumor
47:21
about a bomb in the prison. The guards never practiced the bomb drills,
47:28
and the inmates knew that, so they exploited it. A van was sent
47:31
to the prison for bomb disposal. Okay, the six escape ees found the
47:38
bomb disposal team. They beat them up. They got into their uniforms in
47:43
safety gear, helmets covered their faces, and they pretended to diffuse affordable TV.
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there. Who know who's don't? I don't know why a movie hasn't been
48:31
written about this. You just have to say they're kind of smart to pay
48:38
attention to this ship. They were, and honestly, you know, I
48:43
say that a lot of those crimes were of opportunity, but I really stupid.
48:47
They're not dumb. They are not dumb guards. I don't know.
48:52
Jerry's still out on them, right, Yeah, So they got into the
48:59
v and all external doors were ordered open to let them leave and they escaped
49:05
prison and death row. So after escaping, their blood was pumping, adrenaline
49:13
was going, and then they got in the van and drove away, and
49:15
it was like, now, what what do we do? They didn't ever
49:21
play that far. We didn't think about it. Do we go south to
49:24
Florida because Florida man? Or do we go up to Atlantic City because gambling?
49:29
I don't know, go to Florida safer, getting a boat and go
49:36
to Cuba santist It's fine, you'll still be better. So they could that
49:43
was cut that out. Anyways, they couldn't agree on where they were gonna
49:49
go. They decided to split up. And if you've ever played Dungeon and
49:53
Dragons, you never split the party. You never split the party state again,
50:00
you always stayed together. First off, I'm super happy that she just
50:04
played along with me on that unless you played Dungeons and Dragons, which makes
50:07
me very happy. I did play Dungeons and Dragons before. We'll have this
50:15
conversation later. So a day later, patrol officers ran into Earl Clanton and
50:22
Derek Peterson those were two of the Escape East. Nineteen hours after their escape
50:25
they were captured. Where did they ran into him? Yeah, they just
50:30
ran and him, I'm guessing, and alert went out. Yea. So
50:35
Tuggled Jones and the Briley brothers stole a truck. And this was a truck
50:39
with a very unique license plate, which is pe I one. So you
50:46
know, if somebody sees those folks, you know. Yeah. So the
50:52
Briley's were the Briley's themselves were dropping off at their uncle's house, and Tuggle
50:58
and Jones planned ahead right to Canada. They were like, f this,
51:01
We're gone. And then the truck ran out of gas. Of course it
51:08
did. And of course I wrote and hear sad Trombone. I write my
51:16
own stage directions, y'all. It's really sad. So Tugill want to get
51:22
gas for the truck, but he needed money, so he robbed a shop
51:27
for eighty bucks, which, honestly is it's really sad because they killed a
51:35
guy over six dollars. Back then, you could just go to the gas
51:40
station and you paid after. They could have just put the gas in the
51:45
truck and drove off. They could have. However, Yep, they could
51:52
have. I don't know. They must have wanted more. But here's the
51:55
problem, right, everybody's gonna make a mistake. The owner of the shop
52:00
read the license plate and reported the police. Ten days after the escape,
52:04
Tuggle was arrested him. Tuggle should have just pumped and run, as I
52:09
say he should have, because I just remember being a kid and somebody did
52:13
that at the gas station and drove off, and the guy came running out
52:17
of the thing yelling atte that the guy stole the gas. That's the only
52:21
reason I know that you could get gas without paying bump and run like a
52:24
freshman in college. So Tuggle didn't come back, and that was totally inappropriate.
52:30
I kind of regret saying that. Shame on you, dub H.
52:37
Feel free to remove it because I believe it. HU. Tuggle didn't come
52:45
back, and Jones got totally impatient, So Tuggle went to go get gas.
52:49
He didn't come back. Jones got impatient. He was tired of all
52:52
the running. It had been ten days, so he just decided that he
52:58
was going to call the police station on themselves. That's funny. The funnier
53:06
part. Here's the funnier part. He was just five miles away from the
53:10
Canadian border. Five. Oh my god, he could have walked. He
53:20
could have walked. Now, now that being said, these guys were not
53:25
the Bridley brothers, right, there were not Bridley Brothers. That guy.
53:30
Those guys made it ten nine days. The Bridley Brothers made it for nineteen.
53:38
Police eventually traced them to a grudge with a phone call they had made
53:45
to their uncle. The uncle got them jobs under false identities. Hold on,
53:51
the family was helping their nephews who killed children, old people. They
54:00
were helping them instead of turning them in. It's Philly, he said,
54:09
is an uncle. So their uncle got them jobs. No. No.
54:14
The reality is, though, is that I don't know how I would like
54:21
to assume that a jailbreak for people on death row would be nationwide. I
54:24
would like, well, but if you know that your nephews got sent to
54:29
death row, they're not going to be showing up at your house. And
54:35
if they did, they wouldn't need a fake name. True. And the
54:38
other thing that I'd like to think, because I didn't hear if anything happened
54:43
to the uncle, I would like to think that they threatened the uncle.
54:47
That's what I would like to think as a human. I'm not saying it
54:52
happens. I hope. I mean I would be scared of them. If
54:54
they threatened me, I could see that I would still call the cops.
55:00
Right. So police ended up tracing them, and they ended up bringing him
55:02
back to Virginia on June nineteenth. Uh. The brothers, yes, yeah,
55:10
actually I didn't even think about that. Yes, before it was juneteenth.
55:15
Juneteenth, the brothers ran out of appeals because of course they were out
55:21
of appeals, but they get extra time for escaping. You'd like to think
55:28
so, so brains brains, brains, jimely No. James Briley married March
55:36
twenty eighth, nineteen eighty five. Wait he married, Uh huh, sure
55:43
did in the same way that people are sending love letters to Alex Murdoch.
55:46
Oh, Mike even don't even get me started on that one. That it
55:55
sounds like a joke everybody. He got married, Alex Murdoz getting he is
56:02
multiples? Yeah. Hey, So the brothers ultimately were executed in the electric
56:10
chair at Virginia State Penitentiary and Richmond all three now yes, okay, no,
56:20
two out of three Okay. The penitentiary, the Virginia State vsp It
56:27
closed in nineteen ninety one, but it did hold notable folks like Henry Lee
56:31
Lucas and uh Frank Joseph Coppola or Coupola, depending on who you are believe.
56:39
Yeah. So. Lynnwood was executed on October twelfth, nineteen eighty four.
56:45
His last meal were grilled tenderloin steak, baked potato, green peas is
56:51
salad with French dressing, rolls with butter cake, peaches, punch and milk.
56:58
I would like to hear applause because after three drinks that's a lot of
57:02
punch and milk there. Yeah. His last words were quote, I am
57:10
innocent. Yeah, sure you are all right, buddy. James was executed
57:16
on April nineteenth. At the end of this month nineteen eighty four. The
57:23
last meal was again grilled tenderloin steak, baked potato, green piece of salad
57:29
with French dressing, rolls with butter cake, peaches, punch. Nope,
57:31
that's not right. I'm reading the same last meal as Lynnwood. James's last
57:37
meal was fried shrimp with cocktail sauce and a lemon lime flavored soft drink aka
57:45
sprite. That sounds better than his brother's meal. It does other than the
57:50
steak. I'll take the steak and shrimp. That's fine. His last words,
57:58
Oh, it isn't gonna make you bad. He smiled at the witnesses
58:01
and twice asked are you happy? Oh? I don't know what to do
58:10
with this information, y'all? Like my laughter is uncomfortable laughter. It's important
58:15
to Why are they even allowed to say anything? Shouldn't they just put that
58:20
ball in their mouth and not let them say anything? So, I don't
58:24
know. But when James was executed, the inmates actually tried to delay the
58:30
execution by attacking the cards and locking down the prison. I don't know why,
58:36
because I don't know why. James is a big deal. They left
58:38
him. Apparently they were like this guy got out. He left at the
58:44
nineteen days. I don't know what was wrong with liv What about the third
58:47
one? Yes, So Anthony wasn't executed. He escaped that because they couldn't
58:54
prove that he personally committed any any of the murders. He was see life
59:00
plus one hundred and nineteen years without pearl, without pearl, okay. He
59:06
is currently at Augusta Correctional Center around Stanton, Virginia. He's still alive two
59:14
hours away from me. He's still alive. Let me make sure he's gotta
59:20
be old as shit. It would be important to remember that wit here did
59:23
he was he born? Anthony is still alive. He was born in nineteen
59:30
fifty eight? He is, yeah, sixty five. Okay, it's gonna
59:34
say seventy, right, he's how What year was he born? He was
59:38
born in six and fifty eight. Oh wow, Hanso Meat was born in
59:44
sixty four. Yeah, so I won't I will not. I won't say
59:51
when my dad was born. But I also won't say I will say when
59:54
Lynwood and James were born. So fifty four and six and fifty six.
1:00:00
Lynnwood died at the age of thirty and James died at the age of twenty
1:00:05
eight. Yeah. Well, I have mixed feelings about the death penalty.
1:00:12
I go back and forth because sometimes they don't think it's always fair, and
1:00:16
I do believe if if there's one person put to death who was innocent,
1:00:22
you shouldn't put anybody to death kind of thing. But on the other hand,
1:00:28
I don't feel bad that those two are put to death because I know
1:00:32
for sure they were guilty. Yeah, I really don't either. But the
1:00:37
thought that one person, innocent person could be put to death, especially back
1:00:43
during that time, we know so many people were falsely imprisoned, right,
1:00:47
But I don't want to call Texas out, oh hey, we kill him
1:00:55
quick. But there's a reason why stand up comics have a lot of jokes
1:01:00
about it. Well, like I said, that's one of the things about
1:01:02
living in Texas if something happened to I often say, if somebody ever was
1:01:10
to do something to one of my grandchildren, sure you wouldn't necessarily have to
1:01:15
worry about me killing them because Texas does a pretty damn good job at killing
1:01:17
them. But really do And if I felt like they weren't going to do
1:01:22
it, I'd do it myself. But like I said, on the other
1:01:28
if one innocent person is potentially put to death, we shouldn't do it with
1:01:34
us. Seeing how many people who've been wrongly convicted and who are getting out
1:01:38
now, I think if they're going to keep the death penalty, especially here
1:01:45
in Texas, you need to be damn sure. One shouldn't be just a
1:01:51
jury. There should be lock stock, no doubt. Absolutely, So,
1:02:00
I you know, if we didn't if we didn't lock up. If we
1:02:07
didn't arrest and put in prison an unnecessarily like uneven amount of people for small
1:02:17
drug offenses, etc. We would be able to afford the whole concept of
1:02:23
more life than death penalty. Oh absolutely, so it wouldn't be a problem
1:02:29
right now. This wouldn't be an issue. Also if we gave somebody life
1:02:35
penalty with a possibility of parole and we actually helped them a whole another right?
1:02:43
And also, why don't they work and put something into society? There
1:02:52
are so many factories. We could have a factory and if you're worried about
1:02:57
them, escape and put a chain, do it to an assembly line.
1:03:00
Why can't they work only crime? Ay, Nike, bring it over me,
1:03:07
But why couldn't they work right? Reabilitate them and give them the skill
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for if they do get out, get it. I mean, it would
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just just crazy. I lived in Fort leaven Worth for two years, which
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sounds like you an eleven Worth right, No military brat. They happen to
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have a college there for military people, but you know they they When I
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was there, the inmates were allowed to create furniture. To this day,
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my parents have two pieces that were created by inmates, that is that are
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in their house. However, before nine to eleven, inmates were allowed to
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fix cars, cut your hair, shine shoes, et cetera. These are
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things that can give people purpose, right right, we don't give people purpose,
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and that's what we just throw them away. And then when they do
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get out, if they get out, just because they're behind bars doesn't mean
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they can't do something good with their life. Their life may not be what
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it was going to be, but they could still have a purpose. Whether
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it was like you said, cutting hair, they would find joy in it.
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It would. It's just the whole thing just makes me crazy and makes
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me want to drink. It's because it's not an easy answer. It's hard.
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It is an easy answer. Those two needed to be put to death,
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and I'm glad Old Sparky. I wish it would have been Texas Old
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Sparky, but I'm glad Sparky got them. And you know that that argument
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is hard, right because you have moral, you have logical, you have
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religious etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. And they took a lot of lives.
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They didn't just take one or two. They took multiple lives. They didn't
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make just one mistake. Right. They didn't make up one day and just
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have a bad day, right. Oh, absolutely, from the get go
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it was calculated. They I'm surprised they didn't kill more people, right.
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And and you know what's important for this is that the Bridley brothers were forced
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to rely on one another for support and I think, you know, parental
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neglect and being the oldest of three siblings, Lynnwood was considered the leader.
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But he manipulated. But I wonder if mom left, I would really you
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know, there's that thing about nature versus nurture, versus nurture. Yeah,
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older brother got out. Was there an indication that there was something wrong with
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those three? I mean, I know he was a family member by marriage
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only, and he was a child who is now in prison from six months
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old. There was something evil about that child. Yeah, I mean everybody
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else in the family, the other kids were fine. I mean there was
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something wrong with that child. And I mean I was like, and I
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hated that. I always I was like, we're just not right about this
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kid. Just just no, just and grew up, and I said's now
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in prison. Other siblings perfectly fine. Yeah. I don't know whether it
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was a matter of the times or whatever. But Lynn would although he was
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the second born, the first was out of the house. He left.
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But Linn makes you wonder lead mom leaves, Anna son leaves. I mean
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that there's something I would love if somebody would interview that older brother and let
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has he spoken out or given any I haven't seen any. He's probably changed
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his name. I honestly at this point I probably would have. You know,
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they So those three brothers committed crimes together. It reinforced the familiar bond.
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It normalized the violence, and they weren't necessarily desensitized, but they normalized
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it to cope, which basically they masked motions that so they didn't know that
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each other had them. So they never communicated basically what kids would call the
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fields or thinks as things progressed. And chances are that if Lynn would decide
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the lower his levels of delinquency, the younger brothers have followed. But I
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also wonder what kind of message does it say as a kid, if your
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dad's lucking himself in his room. I mean, if I put yeah,
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because I just think when my kids were little, they have a nightmare.
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My door was open. You come in here. Imagine you don't have that
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because your dad, what message does that? Sinned as a kid, I
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don't know how old they were when dad started doing that, but that just
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makes you wonder. There's a whole lot I have questions on there there.
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You know, we look back on at the time. You know, if
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it wasn't padlocked, it might have been like grow up, suck it up,
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move on right. But I think even that response would have created a
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different because at least somebody's responding to you. Well, maybe we need to
1:09:03
send Anthony letters telling him we love him, like people are doing the Alec
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Murdock, and maybe he'll write us back. I'm kidding. I just shot
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myself in my head for even thinking that. But just I just I just
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said, I just wonder if the mom's still alive? What she said?
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I mean, just I so I didn't look that far into it obviously,
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yet I took the case and went into the whole brother. Oh no,
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but I mean I'm now just you know Mom, I mean, Mom may
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not even be alive. She's if he's sixty five moms with eighty, So
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for HER's sake, I hope she has dementia or Alzheimer's and can't remember what
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her kids did, you know, I mean, because that's got to be
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hard. How did you birth three kids that got together and did this?
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I mean they were the contessential bullies. Yeah, absolutely, And I mean
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and I think that ties in with yours. To be honest with you,
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you know, there there are some consistencies here because to me, you know,
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and maybe this is personal just to me, but to grow inside of
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a bubble, grow up inside of a bubble, to me, is the
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equivalent of being padlocked. I would agree. And I think that that plays
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into my case too. Oh, I think it is. I think it's
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fascinating to me because usually we have topics that are in different places and not
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only you know, there aren't always crossing. Very yeah, very well.
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I like your case. And I know that sounds crazy because that was a
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good case when I didn't know about and there should be a movie. Somebody
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needs to a movie. I mean, Steven Spielberg call me, yeah,
1:11:05
somebody your expert whatever. Yeah, well that was great. So I now
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like I'm gonna need to go get a cocktail to see Handsome Hobby and tell
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him thank god our children turned out to be okay, double h thank you
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