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Spooky Lakes: Little Lava Lake Murders · Eerily Beloved

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SPEAKER_01: Alright, welcome back to the podcast and eerie beloved.
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SPEAKER_01: We are gathered here today with Morgan.
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SPEAKER_01: My bestie back on the podcast, and it is Spooky Lake month.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: We're gonna be talking about Spooky Lake today.
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SPEAKER_00: Yay! I'm excited.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm ready to get spooked.
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SPEAKER_01: So this week we were talking about Little Lava Lake, which is 25 miles southwest of Bend.
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SPEAKER_00: Twenty-five miles southwest of Bend.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: I don't me pretending like I know anything about maps.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, right, right, right.
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SPEAKER_00: I know where Bend is.
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SPEAKER_01: Right, right.
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unknown: Okay.
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SPEAKER_01: So Little Lava Lake and Lava Lake.
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SPEAKER_01: There's like little and big.
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SPEAKER_00: Interest oh cute.
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SPEAKER_00: They're in a sorority.
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SPEAKER_00: Is it like is it lava?
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SPEAKER_00: Like I'm confused.
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SPEAKER_00: Why is it called Lava Lake?
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SPEAKER_01: They were formed.
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SPEAKER_01: They were formed by lava.
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SPEAKER_01: By lava.
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SPEAKER_01: And then I don't know, got separated or interesting.
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SPEAKER_01: Something.
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SPEAKER_01: So there's a little one and then there's a big one.
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SPEAKER_00: Cute.
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SPEAKER_00: It's like the mama and the one.
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SPEAKER_01: But today we're primarily going to be talking about the little one.
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SPEAKER_00: The little one.
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SPEAKER_00: The smallest.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_01: But there is a little bit of the big one in there too.
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unknown: Okay.
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SPEAKER_01: The big one.
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SPEAKER_00: A little bit of the big one.
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SPEAKER_00: Alright.
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SPEAKER_00: Sounds just a little tiny bit.
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SPEAKER_01: And if you haven't listened to the other, this is the second spooky lake month episode.
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SPEAKER_01: So go listen to the first.
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SPEAKER_01: We talk about Crater Lake.
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SPEAKER_01: And guess what?
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SPEAKER_01: There'll be another Spooky Lake next week, too.
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SPEAKER_01: Because it's still September.
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SPEAKER_00: Lakes are spooky.
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SPEAKER_01: Lakes are spooky.
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SPEAKER_00: Lakes be spooky around here.
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SPEAKER_01: I know.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay, but this one doesn't necessarily have to do with what's in the lake.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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SPEAKER_01: Or like lore surrounding the lake.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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SPEAKER_01: Which Crater Lake had a lot of.
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SPEAKER_01: Today we're at Little Lava Lake and it is 1924.
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SPEAKER_01: Families of 36-year-old Roy Wilson, 53-year-old Ed Nichols, and 24-year-old Dewey Morris were growing increasingly concerned as winter turned into spring, and by April of 1924, no one had heard from any of them in months.
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SPEAKER_02: Ooh.
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SPEAKER_01: The three men were wintering at a trapper's cabin at Little Lava Lake, owned by a Ben Logging contractor named Ed Logan.
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SPEAKER_01: And because there are two Eds in this, I'm just going to be calling him Logan, because Ed Nichols is one of the main guys.
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SPEAKER_01: In the fall of 1923, so the fall prior, Ed Nichols accepted a job from Logan, who also ran a successful fur farm.
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SPEAKER_01: It was the same job he had done the winter before, which was tening to five valuable foxes he owned, and staying at the cabin until March when the foxes would be sold and he would get a cut of the profits.
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SPEAKER_01: Roy Wilson and Dewey Morris, loggers with the Brooks Scanlaw and Lumber Company, had worked with Ed Nichols before and accepted his offer to stay the winter while the regular work season was stalled due to poor weather.
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SPEAKER_01: The offer seemed like a no-brainer.
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SPEAKER_01: The foxes required little care by beyond daily feeding, and the men were free to catch valuable fur-bearing animals where they would otherwise otherwise be out of work.
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SPEAKER_01: Logan also owns a fur farm.
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SPEAKER_00: And he has foxes.
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SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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SPEAKER_01: And they saw the foxes.
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SPEAKER_00: That's it's 1924, so I get it.
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SPEAKER_01: Right.
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SPEAKER_01: And the other two men, they're loggers, but in the wintertime, that's not really happening.
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SPEAKER_01: The weather, especially in that part of the state.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: So like, yeah, sure, we'll stay with you at this cabin.
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SPEAKER_01: We'll catch animals and some.
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SPEAKER_00: Wintering in a cabin, like in the middle of nowhere, sounds not ideal to me, but I guess maybe so.
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SPEAKER_00: But like maybe for three men, that's fun.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay, roads were in progress to connect the small nearby towns, but until they were completed, life at the cabin at Little Lava Lake was isolated from everything else once the snow started falling.
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SPEAKER_01: The only way to or from the cabin was by snowshoe.
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SPEAKER_01: A track that could be anywhere from five to twenty five miles, depending on where the clearest passable road was, which is crazy.
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SPEAKER_00: Snowshoes, can you imagine?
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SPEAKER_01: No, I can't imagine walking twenty-five miles, let alone like trekking for five miles?
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SPEAKER_01: I mean No, right, then not too.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, in the snow, that would be Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: That's a workout.
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SPEAKER_01: Right.
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SPEAKER_00: That's not fun.
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SPEAKER_01: Because of this, communication with the trappers had been scarce.
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SPEAKER_01: The last time the families had heard from or seen the men was around Christmas.
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SPEAKER_01: Each had snowshoeed to bend with a bundle of furs, with Ed Nichols saying the fur was plentiful.
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SPEAKER_01: On January 15th, local businessman Alan Wick Wilcoxon, who is building cabins in a resort near near Elk Lake, which is north of the Lava Lakes, decided to stop by and see how his builds were holding up in the weather.
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SPEAKER_01: It was late and he stayed in the cabin with the men who he was friends with, leaving early the next day to make his trek back home.
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SPEAKER_01: When he returned to Bend, he reported that all were in high spirits and good health when he left.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay, so on the 15th, so they hadn't seen them since Christmas and then all.
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SPEAKER_01: So the families haven't seen them since Christmas, but this man was lost to see them on January 15th.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: And they were fine and in the cab he stayed with them in the cabin, all that.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: Interesting.
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SPEAKER_01: Yep.
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SPEAKER_01: According to Sarah Wilson, Roy's mom, he had promised he'd be at her home in Bend by February, and as a former Marine, his word was gold.
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SPEAKER_01: If he said he was going to do something, he would always follow through unless something was stopping him.
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SPEAKER_01: But when February had come and gone with no word from Roy, she knew that something was wrong.
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SPEAKER_00: They waited this long?
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SPEAKER_00: An entire month?
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SPEAKER_01: I I guess.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, I guess it's the twenties, so their communication is like weather, maybe they want to stay, maybe they're checking their trap.
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SPEAKER_00: I mean, they can't just like send them a tax and like, hey, what are you doing?
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SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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SPEAKER_01: Or like carrier pigeon, I don't know how.
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SPEAKER_00: Right.
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SPEAKER_00: They're not sending letters, they're five miles away from a truck.
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SPEAKER_01: Right.
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SPEAKER_01: On April 13th, Roy Wilson's brother-in-law, H.D.
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SPEAKER_01: Innis, and Dewey Morris's brother Owen made their way up to the cabin, aided by the Tamalo Hatchery superintendent Pearlines.
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SPEAKER_01: When they made it to the cabin, they discovered a chilling scene.
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SPEAKER_01: A meal had been left on the stove, covered in mold, dishes were left on the table with what remained of what looked like their breakfast, and their wall calendar remained on the month of January.
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SPEAKER_01: Guns and clothing remained untouched, and perhaps more disturbing, their caps, coats, and other winter gear were still in the cabin, not on their person like they would be had the men ventured out into the snow.
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SPEAKER_01: Additionally, all the harvested pellets were gone and the five valuable foxes were missing with the food still in their pen.
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SPEAKER_01: So right away there were kind of three running theories.
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SPEAKER_01: The first one being that the men went to visit another cabin that was along the trapper route.
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SPEAKER_01: Three other cabins resided on the trap line, and it was known the men had a catch of provisions near the crane prairie dam.
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SPEAKER_01: It was possible that the men went to collect extra stores before bad weather set in and unknowingly caused panic due to their unforeseen absence.
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SPEAKER_01: Along this like route where there's trap lines at it.
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SPEAKER_01: It's like a 30-mile loop.
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SPEAKER_01: There's three other cabins that are smaller, but they're along it.
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SPEAKER_01: They did have like smaller amounts of provisions, I guess, in these cabins.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: Smart.
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SPEAKER_01: So if they were getting low and a big storm was coming in, they'd be like, oh, let me go get some more of whatever, just in case.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: The second theory was that in order to reach the prairie dam, however, the men would have been required to cross a section of the Crane Prairie Reservoir.
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SPEAKER_01: The section of the drain lake might have had unstable and dangerous ice over an unknown amount of water that could be deadly if the ice gave way.
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SPEAKER_01: Sled tracks heading away from the cabin indicated that they had left but never returned.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay, so they fell into the lake is the other theory.
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SPEAKER_01: Potentially, yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_01: The third theory was on that despite not many wanting to consider, it could not be ignored.
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SPEAKER_01: The possibility that this was foul play was suggested due to the suspected thousands of dollars in furs they had accumulated thus far that were missing, in addition to the missing foxes.
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SPEAKER_01: Whether the foxes were stolen or managed to get away in the absence of the men was crucial to determine the manner of the men's mysterious and uncharacteristic disappearance.
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SPEAKER_00: Odd.
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SPEAKER_00: But the original cabin had like food on the stove and like food out.
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SPEAKER_00: It's not like they were like, oh, we're gonna go out for the day and go to the other, like go in our little loop or whatever you called it.
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SPEAKER_00: It seems odd to like it seems like it was like the coats were there?
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SPEAKER_00: Right.
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SPEAKER_00: It seems like it was like a rush or something like that.
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SPEAKER_00: Did they say the stove was on, or did they just say that the the food was left on the stove?
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SPEAKER_01: The food was left on the stove.
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SPEAKER_00: The stove was probably like it was probably wood.
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SPEAKER_01: The last time anyone had seen them again, this is April.
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SPEAKER_01: Right.
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SPEAKER_01: It had been January, so like if the stove was on at some point, it probably would have turned off.
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SPEAKER_01: Probably like it's not gonna run for Right.
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SPEAKER_00: Well, it's uh it's 1920, so it's probably a wood burning stove, and it probably just ran out of whatever.
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SPEAKER_01: Right.
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SPEAKER_01: Right away on April 15th, shortly after the discovery of the abandoned cabin, Sheriff S.
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SPEAKER_01: C.
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SPEAKER_01: Roberts ordered a thorough search of the other cabins along the trap line and as much of the of the reservoir as possible with the ice.
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SPEAKER_01: Additional search parties headed by Roy's brothers, Donald and Ben, with the assistance of Redmond Deputy Sheriff Adams, who's familiar with the woods and the specific trap route, set out to hopefully find details of their presence or whereabouts in the other cabins.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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SPEAKER_01: People are looking.
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SPEAKER_01: People are looking.
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SPEAKER_01: In April, is it snowy still?
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SPEAKER_00: It's not snowy.
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SPEAKER_01: It sounded like it was not yet thawed.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_01: So I don't think it was snowing.
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SPEAKER_01: I don't think it was actively snowing, but it was still cold enough that it hadn't melted yet.
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SPEAKER_00: It's still stuck around.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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SPEAKER_01: Cream prairie reservoir was searched, and the theory that they'd run into trouble crossing was ruled out on Wednesday, April 16th.
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SPEAKER_00: That's like Literally the next day?
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Sheriff Roberts was reported for the Ben Bulletin saying nothing more may be known for the next two days, and I fear that possibly no final news on the mystery may be available until ice and snow go off later in the season.
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SPEAKER_01: There's just like a lot of weather prohibiting them from like doing what they really want to do.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm so confused.
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SPEAKER_01: Are we asking Alan questions?
10:23
SPEAKER_01: Are we questioning Alan?
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SPEAKER_01: Right.
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SPEAKER_01: Right.
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SPEAKER_00: Anyways.
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SPEAKER_01: Unfortunately, investigators didn't have to wait that long for another clue to come to light.
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SPEAKER_01: The Medford Mail Tribune reported the next day, Wednesday the 17th, that a sled had been discovered a quarter mile from Little Lava Lake and near the boat ramp of Big Lava Lake with a bloodstain.
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SPEAKER_01: Despite the months-long delay between when the men went missing and the investigation starting, discoveries were not slow to come to light.
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SPEAKER_01: This is like in very quick succession.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, and you should hear that.
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SPEAKER_00: And then other things.
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SPEAKER_00: Right, right, right.
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SPEAKER_01: Which is I even made a note.
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SPEAKER_01: The speed which they were like working the case with such a big delay is kind of impressive, given this is the twenties and they didn't have like They got nothing going on.
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SPEAKER_00: They're like, everybody get on this.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I guess.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Where are these dudes at?
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SPEAKER_01: The next day, Le Pine Forest Ranger Roy Mitchell found fox carcasses partially buried not far from the cabin.
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SPEAKER_01: Some showed signs of being expertly skinned while others looked rushed and done poorly.
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SPEAKER_01: This led Sheriff Roberts to announce it that with these discoveries combined with other evidence, it was his belief that the trio had been murdered by two unknown men, and a search party of twenty men had been sent out to search for their bodies.
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SPEAKER_00: They think that two people murdered these three dudes.
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SPEAKER_00: Why do they think two people did it?
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SPEAKER_01: Because of the way that the foxes were skinned.
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SPEAKER_01: Some were like expertly skinned, and then others like looked just like.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, like two different people did it.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, okay.
11:53
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_01: And those were the foxes that were in the cabin.
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SPEAKER_00: Wild.
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SPEAKER_00: Right.
11:59
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_01: Theory investigators are heavily pursuing according to Pearl Lines was that the men were called out of the cabin, bareheaded and in their shirt sleeves, murdered in some manner, and the bodies hauled on a sled to the edge of big lava lake and thrown in.
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SPEAKER_01: Which is okay.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
12:14
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean the the way that the cabin was left, that makes the most sense to me.
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SPEAKER_01: Right.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm like, hey, I'm not I mean, sometimes I leave my breakfast out, but like I'm not leaving my winter coat when I know I'm gonna go outside and trek in the snow.
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SPEAKER_01: Right.
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SPEAKER_01: Plus, like they didn't fall in the lake.
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SPEAKER_01: They're not in the other cabins that they know of now.
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SPEAKER_01: Right.
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SPEAKER_01: Especially because all their outdoor clothes are inside, so they wouldn't have gone outside naked.
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SPEAKER_01: So this is kind of like the only thing left.
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SPEAKER_00: Mm-hmm.
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SPEAKER_00: And the foxes being not there and all that.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_01: That entire theory and the investigation as a whole was thrown for a loop when the result of the test from the blood stain came back.
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unknown: Dr.
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SPEAKER_01: George Vandevor revealed that microscopic examination of the blood found on the sled, supposedly used to haul the bodies, was not human blood.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay, so it's is it the fox's blood then?
13:04
SPEAKER_00: What do you mean?
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SPEAKER_01: It's aliens?
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SPEAKER_01: It's just not this happened, this happened, this like it's not as clean-cut as they originally seemed to be.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_01: Despite this, Sheriff Roberts still believe evidence supporting the trio was murdered was strong.
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SPEAKER_01: He's reported for the Central Oregon press as saying we have some very comprehensive evidence regarding the supposed murder of the three men, but until I get definite reports from the investigators in the field, I can make no further statements, other than I expect important arrests to be made soon and expect the matter to be cleared up within a short time.
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SPEAKER_00: It's so i Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: You know what?
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SPEAKER_00: Actually, no, I have my own theory now.
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SPEAKER_00: There's no what if these people are way too like this is the 1920s.
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SPEAKER_00: We think two people did it, we know that this happened, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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SPEAKER_00: They're so quick to say homicide, they're not quick to say like, oh, they died of like they were out in the cold or something and froze to death or whatever.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: It it it's giving like it's giving somebody who was paid off.
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SPEAKER_00: Somebody was like, don't tell anybody that I did this and blame it on these two people instead.
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SPEAKER_01: Maybe, especially if they knew, like, okay, these three guys are staying here, they're gonna be there for months, they have like all these super expensive foxes there.
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SPEAKER_00: Like, who's who's to say maybe Alan didn't do it, but Alan had that information and stayed with them and knew of where they were staying, what their you know, what their vibe was.
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SPEAKER_00: They had foxes, they had all these things, and he paid people to take them out.
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SPEAKER_02: Could be.
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SPEAKER_00: That's crazy.
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SPEAKER_01: Maybe.
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SPEAKER_01: I guess Alan was cleared of any suspicions.
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SPEAKER_01: Because Alan didn't do it.
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SPEAKER_01: Right.
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SPEAKER_01: Alan didn't do it, but who's to say?
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SPEAKER_01: He wasn't it just strange timing and he expected blah blah blah like we're just gonna wrap this up soon.
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SPEAKER_01: But without the bodies of the men, it was a concern that this wouldn't be able to be proven with the evidence that they did have, which at this point was a sled with animal blood.
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SPEAKER_01: Like there wasn't really a lot.
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SPEAKER_01: After a more thorough search of the cabin was completed, they had reason to believe that the men did not leave voluntarily.
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SPEAKER_01: Most importantly, their snowshoes were all accounted for, which they had to have worn if they were going to out to check the traps.
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SPEAKER_01: Right.
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SPEAKER_01: Or just go out in general.
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SPEAKER_02: Right.
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SPEAKER_01: Owner of the cabin in fur farm Logan was able to give investigators some clues regarding the habits of foxes.
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SPEAKER_01: The presence of a stranger made the foxes so nervous that they would refuse to eat their food.
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SPEAKER_01: Given that the foxes' food was still in their pens, it was determined that someone had been in the cabin a day or so before the foxes were killed.
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SPEAKER_01: Additionally, it was known to investigators that the men had retrieved some feed for the animals on January 13th, but only about a day's worth, putting their death sometime around January 14th or the following few days after.
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SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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SPEAKER_01: So Alan, you're not looking very good.
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SPEAKER_01: Alan, this isn't looking good for you.
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SPEAKER_01: I know you didn't do Alan, but like this is definitely for you.
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SPEAKER_00: Like, be honest though.
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SPEAKER_00: Alan, did you do it?
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SPEAKER_00: No.
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SPEAKER_00: Alan, do you know who did it?
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SPEAKER_00: Come on.
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SPEAKER_00: Right.
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SPEAKER_00: Tell you can tell me.
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SPEAKER_00: That's crazy.
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SPEAKER_00: The 14th.
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SPEAKER_00: Alan's like, I left the 15th.
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SPEAKER_00: Right, right.
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SPEAKER_01: Take take my word for it.
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SPEAKER_01: Like, no one saw me, but like, believe me.
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SPEAKER_01: A strange report then came on April 19th.
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SPEAKER_01: County Commissioner J.S.
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SPEAKER_01: Aynes, who had known Dewey Morris for over a decade, claimed to have seen the missing man alive in Bend.
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SPEAKER_01: He was unable to talk to him and saw him for about half saw him about half a block away, but was positive it was him.
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SPEAKER_01: It's unclear who we saw that made him so sure it was Dewey Morris, but we know that it was not him.
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SPEAKER_01: Robert at this time due the missing fox pelts was the main motive behind the triple homicide.
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SPEAKER_01: While they were busy trying to find the men, investigators were also trying to track down the pelts that the murderer would have sold off as soon as possible to not be connected to the murders.
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SPEAKER_01: Carl Schumacher contacted police after reading the headlines regarding the missing men and the unknown whereabouts of their furs.
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SPEAKER_01: He reported that a man carrying Ed Nichols' license had come in with another man and sold four fox pelts at his fur store in Portland on January 22nd.
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SPEAKER_01: Even though this was months later, like when he's coming to police, he remembered the man well as the foxes had been mishandled and as a result had lost considerable value.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh my god.
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SPEAKER_00: It's him.
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SPEAKER_01: You steal the foxes, you steal his license, like come on.
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SPEAKER_01: Right.
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SPEAKER_01: You killed a man, like what's What in the world?
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SPEAKER_01: The description given of the man to police sounded all too familiar, and a much darker picture began to take shape as investigators started putting the pieces together.
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SPEAKER_01: They realized this was not a circumstantial robbery.
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SPEAKER_01: Someone had to know where the cabin was and how to get there in the snow.
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SPEAKER_01: This was looking like revenge.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, okay.
18:03
SPEAKER_01: And who was that?
18:04
SPEAKER_01: The winter before, Ed Nichols had taken care of the foxes with a man named Lee Collins, who's also employed by Logan through the summer of 1923.
18:15
SPEAKER_01: The fur markets were at a low point at the end of that winter, and so Logan decided to wait until the market was better to sell the furs.
18:22
SPEAKER_01: Lee Collins wanted his money immediately and took the stalled sales as an attempt by Ed Nichols and Logan to cheat him out of his share of the profits.
18:30
SPEAKER_01: In retaliation, he stole$500 from Ed Nichols and ran out of town.
18:36
SPEAKER_01: Oh.
18:36
SPEAKER_01: Right.
18:36
SPEAKER_01: So this is in August of 1923.
18:39
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
18:39
SPEAKER_00: This is before the incident.
18:41
SPEAKER_01: All right.
18:41
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
18:42
SPEAKER_01: What's his name?
18:42
SPEAKER_01: Lee What?
18:43
SPEAKER_01: Lee Collins.
18:44
SPEAKER_00: Lee Collins.
18:45
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so this is August 1923, and when the three men decided to live in the cabin was like November or 1923.
18:52
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
18:52
SPEAKER_01: On his way out of town, he hired a car driven by W.
18:55
SPEAKER_01: E.
18:55
SPEAKER_01: Harrison, who's under the impression that Lee Collins wanted to get a look at a horse he was interested in purchasing.
19:01
SPEAKER_01: When they pulled off at an abandoned ranch a short time later, Lee Collins hit Harrison on the back of the head, bound his wrists and ankles, and began dragging him across the property.
19:10
SPEAKER_01: So this is just like the cab driver that he hired.
19:14
SPEAKER_01: Dude, what is Lee Collins into?
19:16
SPEAKER_01: This is weird.
19:17
SPEAKER_01: Realizing that the man was still conscious, he force fed him a vial of a drug or some other sedative and threw Harrison into an empty well.
19:24
SPEAKER_01: When Harrison regained consciousness, he was able to crawl out of the well and found his car stolen by Lee.
19:30
SPEAKER_01: He crawled out of the well.
19:34
SPEAKER_01: So the man just like totally left him for dead and then stole his car.
19:38
SPEAKER_01: Stand-up guy, this man.
19:40
SPEAKER_00: What he r he bound his wrists and ankles like a like a c cow?
19:45
SPEAKER_00: Like a like hog tied.
19:47
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
19:47
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
19:48
SPEAKER_00: What in the world?
19:50
SPEAKER_00: What is his background?
19:52
SPEAKER_00: Do we know?
19:53
SPEAKER_00: Right.
19:53
SPEAKER_00: Do we know?
19:54
SPEAKER_01: So Ed Nichols reported the theft to police of the$500 and told them that Lee Collins was an alias and that the man was actually an escaped convict from the Idaho State Penitentiary named Charles Hyde Kinsey.
20:06
SPEAKER_01: With help from Ed Nichols, in addition to the incident shortly after with Harrison, the cab driver, they tracked him down and very nearly arrested him.
20:14
SPEAKER_01: But at this point, Charles knew who had ratted him out to police and was gonna come after Ed Nichols in retaliation.
20:22
SPEAKER_01: Okay, so back at the lake.
20:24
SPEAKER_00: Back at the lake.
20:25
SPEAKER_01: Back at the lake.
20:25
SPEAKER_01: Police discovered a three-foot-wide hole in the ice that was covering Lava Lake, big lava lake, on April 21st.
20:32
SPEAKER_00: With not my birthday, girl, don't.
20:36
SPEAKER_01: With what looked like human hair floating in the water.
20:39
SPEAKER_01: No.
20:40
SPEAKER_01: The hole in the ice was not far from where they discovered the sled.
20:43
SPEAKER_01: Near the cabin, back in the little lake, little lava lake, shotgun shells, a human tooth, skull fragments, and a bloody hammer were discovered, all pointing towards the men being victims of foul play.
20:56
SPEAKER_00: Oh, teeth and like oh nasty.
21:01
SPEAKER_01: So this was confirmed on April 23rd when the bodies of Ed Nichols, Dewey Morris, and Roy Wilson were found floating in Lova Lake.
21:09
SPEAKER_01: Of their manner of death, the coroner's report said that we find that they all came to their death in the following manner.
21:15
SPEAKER_01: Ed Nichols was killed by a shotgun wound, Roy Rils Wilson was killed by a bullet wound through the head.
21:20
SPEAKER_01: He was also shot with a shotgun.
21:22
SPEAKER_01: Dewey Morris was killed by being hit on the head with some blood instrument.
21:26
SPEAKER_01: He was also shot with a shotgun.
21:28
SPEAKER_01: All these men were killed by a person or persons unknown to this jury.
21:33
SPEAKER_00: Well.
21:34
SPEAKER_01: So our stand-up, our stand-up guy, Charles Kimsey, quickly became suspect number one.
21:39
SPEAKER_02: Mm-hmm.
21:40
SPEAKER_01: He would have known where Ed Nichols was going to be, since he had been there the winter before.
21:44
SPEAKER_01: Right.
21:44
SPEAKER_01: How to get there, and the valuable foxes that he was taking care of at the cabin.
21:48
SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
21:49
SPEAKER_01: In addition to being an escaped convict, burglar, and attempted murder of cab driver Harrison.
21:55
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, motive because he was mad at what's his name.
21:57
SPEAKER_00: Right.
21:57
SPEAKER_01: He was now suspected in a
22:05
SPEAKER_00: Oh MG, do you have the I do actually.
22:08
SPEAKER_00: Do you really?
22:09
SPEAKER_00: Wait, can I see it?
22:10
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
22:10
SPEAKER_00: Let me see this man.
22:12
SPEAKER_00: Let me look him in his eyes.
22:14
SPEAKER_00: Oh my god.
22:16
SPEAKER_00: Look at this widow's peak.
22:18
SPEAKER_01: What's going on?
22:20
SPEAKER_01: The widow's peak.
22:21
SPEAKER_01: 23C.
22:22
SPEAKER_01: Here's a mugshot from 1933.
22:24
SPEAKER_00: Oh my gosh.
22:26
SPEAKER_01: Right.
22:27
SPEAKER_01: Kind of an icky looking dude.
22:28
SPEAKER_00: What a ew.
22:30
SPEAKER_01: Right.
22:32
SPEAKER_00: Right.
22:32
SPEAKER_00: Icky icky.
22:34
SPEAKER_01: He's balding.
22:35
SPEAKER_00: Hey guys, he's ugly.
22:37
SPEAKER_01: That's what happens when you commit crimes and you're mean to people.
22:40
SPEAKER_01: You go bald.
22:41
SPEAKER_00: We make fun of you on this podcast.
22:47
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
22:48
SPEAKER_01: You deserve it.
22:49
SPEAKER_00: You know what you did.
22:50
SPEAKER_01: Charles was an unnerving man.
22:51
SPEAKER_01: On his wanted poster for the three murders, it reads, Kimsey talks rapidly with teeth partially closed, and at the same time smiles showing teeth.
23:00
SPEAKER_00: Okay, what?
23:02
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
23:04
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
23:04
SPEAKER_01: And then I guess also he he would speak rapidly through clenched teeth with his lips drawn back.
23:11
SPEAKER_01: And he slurred at the ends of his end of his words, hissing in a hurried chatter.
23:15
SPEAKER_00: What in the world?
23:17
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
23:17
SPEAKER_01: It goes on to say he's fast with a revolver, which is a 38 Colt special.
23:21
SPEAKER_01: And then it says, Brother officers, take no chances with these men, for they are desperate criminals, having killed three trappers at their cabin without giving them a chance for their lives.
23:33
SPEAKER_01: So police suspected Charles was not alone as he would not have been able to incapacitate all three men by himself.
23:39
SPEAKER_00: I was gonna say, I mean, also he's using a shotgun.
23:42
SPEAKER_00: It's not like you can reload those super easily, especially when there's three people.
23:46
SPEAKER_01: Three like large woodsmen, and one is a former Marine or something like that.
23:51
SPEAKER_01: Right.
23:52
SPEAKER_01: So even with a reward of fifteen hundred dollars for details on Charles Kimsey and the unknown accomplice, the manhunt for the murderers murderers hit a dead end.
24:01
SPEAKER_01: It just like completely stalled.
24:04
SPEAKER_00: Oh my gosh.
24:05
SPEAKER_01: Over the following years, Sheriff Roberts followed up on leads on Charles Kimsey, but it wasn't until 1933 that one of Charles Kimsey's former jailers recognized him walking down a street of Calispell, Montana.
24:18
SPEAKER_01: The first thing that Charles said when he was arrested was, they think I killed those trappers, but I didn't.
24:25
SPEAKER_01: I was in Colorado working the Moffat tunnel at the time.
24:28
SPEAKER_01: Unprompted, by the way.
24:30
SPEAKER_01: Bro, you just I I didn't do that.
24:33
SPEAKER_00: That doesn't mean that.
24:34
SPEAKER_00: We didn't say that you did, but now we're starting to think that you did.
24:36
SPEAKER_01: Right.
24:37
SPEAKER_01: So evidence against Charles Kimsey in the murders was purely circumstantial, unfortunately.
24:42
SPEAKER_01: They didn't have despite having motive, nothing tied him definitively to the crime.
24:47
SPEAKER_00: Are we testing fingerprints at this point?
24:49
SPEAKER_00: We're not, right?
24:50
SPEAKER_00: They know that animal blood is animal blood, but they don't know that fingerprints are finger.
24:54
SPEAKER_01: Like they don't I I want to say that probably because of the amount of time that had passed, everything was just kind of Right.
25:02
SPEAKER_01: Especially with the weather too.
25:04
SPEAKER_01: Right.
25:05
SPEAKER_01: There wouldn't be a lot a lot left with animal activity.
25:08
SPEAKER_01: And like yeah, they found a hammer, but I don't know if they would be able to pull fingerprints.
25:13
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
25:13
SPEAKER_01: I'd be assuming at that time it if he was using it outside, he would have been wearing gloves.
25:18
SPEAKER_00: What about like the shotgun?
25:20
SPEAKER_00: Did they have any shells?
25:22
SPEAKER_00: Like bullets or whatever?
25:23
SPEAKER_00: They did have shells, but I don't know if the type of gun, if he owned the gun.
25:28
SPEAKER_01: They just said that they they didn't have anything that could tie him to the crime.
25:32
SPEAKER_00: That's so interesting.
25:33
SPEAKER_00: Just because of bad weather and the Oh my gosh.
25:36
SPEAKER_01: Like the l amount of time that had passed.
25:39
SPEAKER_00: That's crazy.
25:40
SPEAKER_00: You have to like you kill someone and you just wait.
25:43
SPEAKER_01: Just wait.
25:44
SPEAKER_01: Or don't kill people.
25:45
SPEAKER_02: Oh.
25:46
SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah.
25:48
SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah.
25:48
SPEAKER_00: That's what I meant to say.
25:51
SPEAKER_01: So because I couldn't tie him to the crime, investigators went a different route.
25:54
SPEAKER_01: Unbeknownst to Charles, cab driver Harrison, whom he threw down the well, had survived and was able to identify him as the man who attempted to kill him that day.
26:03
SPEAKER_00: Perfect.
26:04
SPEAKER_01: So he thought the cab driver died when he threw him in that well.
26:06
SPEAKER_00: Well, of course he did.
26:08
SPEAKER_01: They went to trial for the attempted murder, and Charles pled not guilty, of course.
26:13
SPEAKER_01: But after three hours of deliberations, the jury found Charles Kinsey guilty of attempted murder, and circuit judge T.
26:20
SPEAKER_01: E.
26:20
SPEAKER_01: Duffy sentenced Kinsey to life imprisonment in the Oregon State Penitentiary.
26:25
unknown: Right.
26:26
SPEAKER_00: Oregon State Penitentiary.
26:27
SPEAKER_00: Yep.
26:28
SPEAKER_00: Crazy.
26:28
SPEAKER_01: In Salem.
26:30
SPEAKER_01: Like while they weren't able to get him for the the three murders, at least they were able to get him off the street because he was like a repeat offender of Right.
26:39
SPEAKER_01: Just all still.
26:40
SPEAKER_01: Well, he was an escaped convict.
26:41
SPEAKER_01: Hey, hello.
26:42
SPEAKER_01: On top of that, yeah.
26:43
SPEAKER_01: Hello.
26:44
SPEAKER_01: Right.
26:45
SPEAKER_01: Guys.
26:45
SPEAKER_01: Well, and one of the options was once they had him arrested, they knew that he wouldn't be able to get out of it.
26:50
SPEAKER_01: He would either be extradited to Idaho, where he would then be or this, or if they found evidence for the murder.
26:58
SPEAKER_01: But so he was paroled in 1957 in his early 70s and seemingly disappeared off the grid before his death in 1976.
27:08
SPEAKER_01: So he just went on to after after serving a sentence, he went on to live his life.
27:14
SPEAKER_01: Which actually he did escape.
27:16
SPEAKER_01: He he tried to get out.
27:18
SPEAKER_00: No.
27:19
SPEAKER_01: But then they got him again.
27:20
SPEAKER_01: Yep.
27:21
SPEAKER_00: No.
27:22
SPEAKER_00: In Salem?
27:23
SPEAKER_00: Mm-hmm.
27:24
SPEAKER_00: Wait, scary.
27:26
SPEAKER_01: Uh-huh.
27:26
SPEAKER_01: Investigators were never a never able to figure out who the accomplice was, and it's unclear if the case will ever really be s be solved now that over a hundred years have gone by.
27:36
SPEAKER_00: I mean he did it.
27:38
SPEAKER_00: There's no doubt about it, but yeah.
27:41
SPEAKER_01: I mean I mean there was a little there's a little doubt since there's no evidence, but But it no, it it just wouldn't h hold up in a trial.
27:50
SPEAKER_00: I mean, do we think that he could have done it by himself?
27:53
SPEAKER_00: I mean, think about it, you're being threatened with a gun.
27:55
SPEAKER_01: No one thinks that he would have done it by himself.
27:57
SPEAKER_01: Especially like the two different skinned foxes.
28:01
SPEAKER_01: Well, maybe he forced them to be able to do it.
28:02
SPEAKER_01: And they're two different guns.
28:03
SPEAKER_01: So there's the shotgun.
28:04
SPEAKER_00: Maybe he forced them to skin the foxes.
28:08
SPEAKER_00: Could he could he have forced them to do it?
28:11
SPEAKER_00: I mean, you're being held at gunpoint.
28:12
SPEAKER_00: You're gonna do whatever the person with the gun says to do.
28:16
SPEAKER_00: To get out of.
28:17
SPEAKER_01: I guess, but like you're one person if you're holding a one other person at gunpoint, there's two other people who I don't know.
28:24
SPEAKER_01: Right.
28:26
SPEAKER_00: So it is odd.
28:27
SPEAKER_00: Also, d we don't But there's also Alan is still in the back of my head.
28:31
SPEAKER_01: There's Alan, right.
28:32
SPEAKER_01: There's two guns though.
28:33
SPEAKER_01: There's the shotgun and then just like another standard gun.
28:37
SPEAKER_01: There was?
28:38
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
28:39
SPEAKER_01: So they were killed by a shotgun, but they also had bullet wounds to the head as well.
28:43
SPEAKER_01: That were like pistol, not shotgun.
28:47
SPEAKER_01: Right.
28:48
SPEAKER_00: Right, and there was that hammer thing too.
28:50
SPEAKER_00: Right.
28:50
SPEAKER_00: Which is odd.
28:53
SPEAKER_01: Right.
28:53
SPEAKER_00: Huh.
28:54
SPEAKER_01: Well, okay.
28:55
SPEAKER_01: So those uh that's the triple homicide of Little Lava Lake.
29:02
SPEAKER_00: Triple homicide.
29:04
SPEAKER_00: Wild.
29:05
SPEAKER_00: At least they found the bodies.
29:07
SPEAKER_00: So they have some sort of closure for the city.
29:10
SPEAKER_01: There was a fear because they assumed that the lake was really deep that they wouldn't be able to recover the bodies, especially with the temperature being so cold that they would just you know sink to the bottom.
29:20
SPEAKER_01: But thankfully the families were able to get like some level of closure, but that's still and this was little little lava lake that they were put into or the big one?
29:30
SPEAKER_01: They were put in the big one.
29:31
SPEAKER_00: The big one, okay.
29:32
SPEAKER_01: Their cabin was at the little one.
29:33
SPEAKER_00: Was at the little one.
29:34
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
29:35
SPEAKER_00: Got it.
29:37
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
29:38
SPEAKER_00: Crazy.
29:38
SPEAKER_00: So crazy story.
29:40
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's like one of Oregon's oldest.
29:42
SPEAKER_01: It's like an unsolved mystery.
29:44
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
29:45
SPEAKER_00: In a some way.
29:46
SPEAKER_00: It's not a total mystery.
29:47
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
29:48
SPEAKER_00: But like in an unsolved case.
29:52
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because I guess we did the oldest person, and that was Oak Grove Jane Doe.
29:58
SPEAKER_01: And so then there's this one, I guess.
30:00
SPEAKER_01: They're identified, but they're still it's unsolved.
30:02
SPEAKER_01: I guess we could say unsolved.
30:04
SPEAKER_01: Unsolved.
30:05
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
30:07
SPEAKER_01: That's crazy.
30:09
SPEAKER_01: I think it's just fascinating the fact that it's in the 1920s.
30:11
SPEAKER_01: There's so many different aspects that I don't know don't ex like we aren't familiar with or that way of living.
30:17
SPEAKER_01: They're outside, and I don't know, that's crazy.
30:21
SPEAKER_00: Wild.
30:22
SPEAKER_01: Just to think about.
30:24
SPEAKER_01: Spooky lake.
30:26
SPEAKER_00: Spooky spooky lake.
30:28
SPEAKER_01: Spooky lake.
30:29
SPEAKER_01: I thought I'd mix it up with the with a little a true crime one, since I think next week we're gonna get more into like lore and cryptic aliens.
30:39
SPEAKER_00: And aliens and yeah, like like the you said when you said it wasn't human blood, I was like, no, don't do this.
30:47
SPEAKER_01: It's alien blood.
30:49
SPEAKER_00: It's Bigfoot.
30:51
SPEAKER_00: Bigfoot did it.
30:52
SPEAKER_00: Wait.
30:52
SPEAKER_01: I was gonna say maybe this episode episode we won't mention Bigfoot.
30:56
SPEAKER_01: Just kidding, just kidding.
30:58
SPEAKER_00: No, I'm here.
31:00
SPEAKER_01: Thank God Garrett's not, or else he'd be pissed.
31:04
SPEAKER_00: That's so funny.
31:05
SPEAKER_00: Anyways, triple homicide, crazy.
31:07
SPEAKER_00: Well, we just solved the case.
31:09
SPEAKER_00: You guys are welcome.
31:11
SPEAKER_01: I yeah, it sucks that even when the snow melted, they weren't able to find anything that yeah, like you said, the bullet casings, but maybe it was with the guy's own guns, so that wouldn't have been helpful, you know.
31:24
SPEAKER_01: Well, how did they get out there?
31:26
SPEAKER_00: Did they say?
31:27
SPEAKER_00: Did they drive?
31:28
SPEAKER_00: Did they walk?
31:29
SPEAKER_00: Did they there was no Huh?
31:32
SPEAKER_01: Hey, sweetie, they didn't drive.
31:33
SPEAKER_00: Well, they didn't drive because it was 19.
31:36
SPEAKER_00: Who's driving this book?
31:38
SPEAKER_00: It was 1852, no.
31:42
SPEAKER_01: 1694.
31:43
SPEAKER_00: They took their private jet, they parked it right outside.
31:46
SPEAKER_00: Right.
31:47
SPEAKER_00: It was it was aliens, they dropped them off, they beamed them down.
31:51
SPEAKER_00: That's what happened.
31:52
SPEAKER_00: I'm sure of it.
31:54
SPEAKER_00: I get so confused about timing.
31:56
SPEAKER_00: When did cars become a 40s?
32:00
SPEAKER_01: No, I think there were cars in the 20s, but like not everybody had a car.
32:03
SPEAKER_00: But like, were they like wagons?
32:06
SPEAKER_01: You are asking the wrong girl.
32:07
SPEAKER_00: It was also the snow too.
32:09
SPEAKER_00: So like they were snowshoeing it up for sure.
32:12
SPEAKER_00: Right.
32:13
SPEAKER_00: But why would you do that?
32:15
SPEAKER_00: I mean, I guess for money.
32:16
SPEAKER_00: And he's like, I could get away with it, because if I kill them all, then there's no I still want to know what Alan has to say.
32:24
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I guess other people online were a little suspicious of him too.
32:29
SPEAKER_00: But Alan's there, the guy shows up, Alan's like, no, I'll help you.
32:36
SPEAKER_01: I think it was that he did get home like at a certain time, and so they know he had to have left at this point because he was snowshoeing.
32:45
SPEAKER_01: Like you can't go faster than Okay.
32:49
SPEAKER_01: You know, like if you're in a car and you drive 30 miles an hour, right?
32:53
SPEAKER_01: You actually drive 60, like, yeah, that's gonna cut your time in half.
32:56
SPEAKER_01: Right.
32:56
SPEAKER_01: But you can't really do that if you're walking.
32:59
SPEAKER_01: So they knew he left the cabin in the morning, got to bend, talked to people, like, you know, they were able to determine that there was just no way.
33:09
SPEAKER_00: He's still not off my list though.
33:11
SPEAKER_00: You mentioned him so early, I was like, he did it.
33:14
SPEAKER_00: I know he did.
33:15
SPEAKER_01: It is odd timing, and it's unfortunate that he Like, why was Alan there?
33:19
SPEAKER_00: Really?
33:19
SPEAKER_00: Why was Alan there?
33:20
SPEAKER_01: What was he doing?
33:21
SPEAKER_01: He was checking on his properties that he was whatever.
33:24
SPEAKER_00: Alan was checking on his property.
33:25
SPEAKER_00: Come on.
33:26
SPEAKER_01: I I don't know.
33:27
SPEAKER_00: What why would you w okay?
33:29
SPEAKER_00: First of all, you want to snowshoe that many miles into wherever by yourself, not knowing if there's people there, or did he know they were there?
33:39
SPEAKER_01: He knew they were there.
33:40
SPEAKER_01: He didn't know that they were there.
33:41
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
33:41
SPEAKER_01: Because he was friends with the owner of the cabin and he was friends with Ed Nichols.
33:46
SPEAKER_01: I don't know Is his name?
33:48
SPEAKER_01: No of Alan?
33:51
SPEAKER_00: Charles?
33:52
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think so.
33:54
SPEAKER_00: Hmm.
33:55
SPEAKER_00: He said Charles hits up No.
33:58
SPEAKER_00: Charles, yeah.
33:59
SPEAKER_00: Charles hits up Alan and goes, listen, I've got this crazy idea.
34:03
SPEAKER_00: Do you have any guns?
34:08
SPEAKER_02: Right.
34:09
SPEAKER_00: I know we can get a ton of money.
34:11
SPEAKER_00: And you'll you won't be found out.
34:13
SPEAKER_01: I mean, that's crazy though.
34:15
SPEAKER_01: Why would you trust a career criminal to like not rat you out for the sake of like to save themselves?
34:22
SPEAKER_00: But remember they sold the pelts in Portland.
34:24
SPEAKER_00: There was two men.
34:25
SPEAKER_00: One of them had the ID of the other guy.
34:27
SPEAKER_00: Right.
34:28
SPEAKER_00: Hey, did they describe the other man?
34:34
SPEAKER_01: I know.
34:35
SPEAKER_01: Very odd.
34:35
SPEAKER_01: Very strange.
34:36
SPEAKER_00: Very odd.
34:37
SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna be thinking about this.
34:40
SPEAKER_00: Going to sleep tonight.
34:42
SPEAKER_01: I feel sad for the families.
34:45
SPEAKER_01: Well, of course.
34:46
SPEAKER_01: And because they were really d involved in the surf.
34:49
SPEAKER_01: Oh my god.
34:51
SPEAKER_01: I can't.
34:52
SPEAKER_00: That is horrendous.
34:54
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it makes sense.
34:55
SPEAKER_00: This is just guys, don't go out in the snow.
34:57
SPEAKER_01: And don't go in a cabin.
34:59
SPEAKER_00: Don't go by yourself.
35:01
SPEAKER_00: Right.
35:02
SPEAKER_00: Well, if you're thinking of wondering it's a good one.
35:07
SPEAKER_00: Right.
35:08
SPEAKER_01: Beware of the company you keep.
35:12
SPEAKER_00: For real.
35:13
SPEAKER_00: Or in the company that you don't keep.
35:14
SPEAKER_00: Because um and the friends that you used to have that aren't really your friends.
35:19
SPEAKER_00: Right.
35:19
SPEAKER_00: And know where your stuff is.
35:21
SPEAKER_01: Who's out to get you?
35:22
SPEAKER_01: Hopefully no one.
35:23
SPEAKER_00: Right.
35:24
SPEAKER_00: Keep a shotgun in your cabin.
35:27
SPEAKER_01: Or don't, because if you don't have one, then it can't be used against you.
35:32
SPEAKER_01: So true.
35:33
SPEAKER_01: But you did against unless they bring one themselves, then you're defenseless, so maybe you should have.
35:39
SPEAKER_00: Right, that's what I'm saying.
35:40
SPEAKER_00: Or teach the foxes to use guns.
35:43
SPEAKER_01: Foxes.
35:44
SPEAKER_01: I feel so bad for 'em.
35:46
SPEAKER_01: They were scared.
35:46
SPEAKER_01: There's like they were they were saying there's a stranger in my home.
35:51
SPEAKER_01: I'm not gonna eat because I'm scared.
35:52
SPEAKER_01: I'm scared.
35:53
SPEAKER_01: Why is there a stranger here?
35:56
SPEAKER_00: It was Alan.
35:57
SPEAKER_00: Alan It could have been spoiled.
35:59
SPEAKER_00: He was a stranger.
36:00
SPEAKER_01: It could have been they were spooked by Alan.
36:02
SPEAKER_00: But I'm spooked by Alan.
36:04
SPEAKER_00: And I'm not right.
36:06
SPEAKER_01: There are too many men involved in this case.
36:07
SPEAKER_00: There's that And where are the women?
36:10
SPEAKER_00: Because if there was a woman involved, she would have solved it.
36:12
SPEAKER_00: I mean there there was.
36:14
SPEAKER_01: The Oh Roy's mom.
36:17
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
36:18
SPEAKER_01: When he she said, Hey, there's something to miss.
36:21
SPEAKER_01: Where is my son?
36:23
SPEAKER_00: She she said, she said, get this case done, and that's why they found out so many things in like four days.
36:29
SPEAKER_01: Honestly, that was probably the most impressive part.
36:31
SPEAKER_00: Which is so insane.
36:32
SPEAKER_00: They got nothing else going on.
36:34
SPEAKER_01: Wham bam, thank you, ma'am.
36:35
SPEAKER_01: They're just finding things all over the place.
36:37
SPEAKER_00: Right.
36:37
SPEAKER_00: She's like, and you will do this, and you will keep trying to find my son.
36:40
SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
36:42
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
36:43
SPEAKER_01: Sarah Wilson, Roy's mom.
36:44
SPEAKER_00: Okay, Sarah, period.
36:48
SPEAKER_01: She has an ins she has um my gut instinct.
36:51
SPEAKER_01: She knew something was amiss.
36:53
SPEAKER_00: Well, why are we why are we thinking, um, I don't know, three months later that there's something amiss?
36:58
SPEAKER_00: Why didn't we go, hey, March?
37:01
SPEAKER_00: Hey, the whole month of February didn't hear a single thing.
37:04
SPEAKER_00: Let's go check.
37:06
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I don't know.
37:08
SPEAKER_01: Great question.
37:08
SPEAKER_01: Love amazing questions.
37:10
SPEAKER_01: Can't answer them.
37:11
SPEAKER_00: Wish I could, but and Alan never went back to check again on his properties.
37:18
SPEAKER_01: No, he probably didn't.
37:19
SPEAKER_01: It was spring.
37:20
SPEAKER_01: He was building like resort resort properties on Alan's.
37:23
SPEAKER_00: Oh, of course, he's a rich man.
37:25
SPEAKER_01: I don't know if he was rich.
37:28
SPEAKER_01: I don't think they were successful, but he was building.
37:31
SPEAKER_00: He had property.
37:32
SPEAKER_00: If you had property, you're rich.
37:34
SPEAKER_01: Could be the case.
37:36
SPEAKER_01: Alright, well, thank you for listening to another episode.
37:40
SPEAKER_01: And happy Spooky Lake month again.
37:45
SPEAKER_01: And hey, all my new listeners, what's good?
37:49
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37:52
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37:56
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38:02
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38:03
SPEAKER_01: Um, send me an email if you have cases that you want us to look into.
38:07
SPEAKER_01: I need a I'm I'm gonna cook something up for October because of course it's like Hello.
38:12
SPEAKER_00: Right.
38:13
SPEAKER_00: It's the spookiest month of the week.
38:14
SPEAKER_01: So give me suggestions of what I should what we should do for that.
38:18
SPEAKER_01: Um yeah, if you have any ghost stories, any spooky, cryptid stories.
38:23
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38:26
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38:27
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38:30
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