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Wife Ends Up Dead After Finding Out She's Pregnant · Murder Files Unsealed

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  Speaker 1: So welcome back to the Deep Dive. We're really glad
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  Speaker 1: you're joining us for this one today.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Thanks for being here. We have a lot to
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  Speaker 2: get through today.
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  Speaker 1: We really do. And today we are pulling our source
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  Speaker 1: material from a pretty detailed YouTube true crime documentary transcript.
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  Speaker 1: It originally came from the Law and Crime Network and
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  Speaker 1: Crime Atlas.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: And it covers this incredibly tragic case of Jennifer and
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  Speaker 1: Beau Rothwell from back in November of 2019.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, out of Missouri.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly, out of Missouri. And our mission for this deep
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  Speaker 1: dive with you today is to unpack the timeline of this, well,
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  Speaker 1: this seemingly perfect marriage, right? A marriage that just completely
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  Speaker 1: devolved into deception.
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  Speaker 2: It really did. And we're going to be analyzing the
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  Speaker 2: psychological footprints that were left behind here. You know, in
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  Speaker 2: text messages, internet searches, and this really chilling pros and
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  Speaker 2: cons list.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, man, the list. Yeah. Because five months before he
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  Speaker 1: murdered his pregnant wife, Bo Rothwell actually sat down with
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  Speaker 1: a work notebook and he just drew a line down
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  Speaker 1: the middle of the page.
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  Speaker 2: Like a literal pros and cons list. Right.
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  Speaker 1: Like you do for a new car or something. He
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  Speaker 1: was trying to decide whether to stay in his marriage or,
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  Speaker 1: you know, leave for this woman he'd been having an
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  Speaker 1: affair with.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: And under the pros of leaving, he wrote better sex life,
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  Speaker 1: more respect and fresh start.
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  Speaker 2: And then the cons.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Cons of leaving his wife. He wrote half my assets.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it just stops you in your tracks. So
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  Speaker 1: today we're really looking at what happens when human life
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  Speaker 1: is reduced to just a variable in a mathematical equation.
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  Speaker 2: Which is exactly what makes this specific case so profoundly disturbing.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it isn't just the crime itself, though, that
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  Speaker 2: is obviously horrific. Right. It's the meticulous, almost bureaucratic way,
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  Speaker 2: the perpetrator weighed human lives against his own personal convenience.
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  Speaker 2: His wife, his unborn child, his mistress, all just weighed
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  Speaker 2: against his financial standing. It really forces you to examine
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  Speaker 2: how outward appearances can just completely mask these dark, calculated realities.
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  Speaker 1: It really does. So, okay, let's unpack this. Let's start
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  Speaker 1: with those outward appearances. Because if you looked at Jennifer
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  Speaker 1: and Bo Rothwell from the outside, You would see this
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  Speaker 1: blueprint for modern American success.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: To understand the sheer magnitude of the betrayal, you kind
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  Speaker 1: of have to know who they were as a baseline.
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  Speaker 1: So let's look at Jennifer first. Right. She was born
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  Speaker 1: on November 20th, 1990 in Kansas. Yeah. And she was
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  Speaker 1: just vibrant.
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  Speaker 2: From all accounts.
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  Speaker 1: Her college roommates described her as this true social butterfly.
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  Speaker 1: Someone who was constantly making people laugh. She kind of
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  Speaker 1: held the center of gravity in a room, you know.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. A very warm presence.
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  Speaker 1: Extremely. And she was also incredibly driven. Like by the
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  Speaker 1: age of 28, she was a highly successful process engineer.
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  Speaker 1: She was working for DuPont over in Chesterfield, Missouri. Right.
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  Speaker 1: And she was actually right on the brink of this
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  Speaker 1: massive promotion.
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  Speaker 2: And understanding her role as a process engineer is actually
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  Speaker 2: vital context here, I think. Oh, really?
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  Speaker 1: How so?
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  Speaker 2: Well, process engineering is entirely about optimizing systems. Right. You
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  Speaker 2: look at a chemical manufacturing process. You identify inefficiencies. You
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  Speaker 2: troubleshoot structural flaws and you fix them. You do it
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  Speaker 2: to make the system run smoothly. She was someone whose
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  Speaker 2: entire professional life was dedicated to making things work better.
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  Speaker 2: She had all this forward momentum. Right.
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  Speaker 1: She was a problem solver.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So then you have Bo Rothwell, born just a month
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  Speaker 1: after Jennifer in December of 1990. Also a chemical engineer.
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  Speaker 1: He was working for a different company, but Personality-wise, he
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  Speaker 1: was like the exact inverse of Jennifer.
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  Speaker 2: Very different, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Where she was outgoing, his friends described him as reserved, quiet,
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  Speaker 1: very laid back. He played a lot of racquetball.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he was the quieter counterpart.
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  Speaker 1: Right. And they met at the University of Missouri back
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  Speaker 1: in the spring of 2010. They bonded over these grueling
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  Speaker 1: academic demands of chemical engineering.
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  Speaker 2: Which is an intense program.
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  Speaker 1: Super intense. So they get married in September 2015. And
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  Speaker 1: by 2018, they buy this Beautiful 2,300 square foot home
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  Speaker 1: in Creve Coeur, Missouri. So on paper, they just complement
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  Speaker 1: each other perfectly.
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  Speaker 2: Like a perfectly balanced chemical equation.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, exactly. The outgoing driver and the quiet, steady partner.
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  Speaker 1: Shared careers. New house.
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  Speaker 2: But the architecture of a relationship is rarely as solid
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  Speaker 2: as that public facade suggests.
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  Speaker 1: No, for sure. So true.
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  Speaker 2: And this is where we have to ask you, the listener,
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  Speaker 2: to think about this. Think about how often we see
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  Speaker 2: these picture-perfect couples... completely unaware of the structural cracks in
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  Speaker 2: their foundation.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you just never know what's going on behind closed doors.
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  Speaker 2: Right. And starting in the fall of 2018, they began
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  Speaker 2: trying to conceive a child. But by December of that year,
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  Speaker 2: Jennifer was diagnosed with endometriosis.
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  Speaker 1: Right. And for anyone unfamiliar with the mechanics of that,
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  Speaker 1: endometriosis is this disorder where tissue similar to the lining
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  Speaker 1: of your uterus grows outside of your uterine cavity.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. And it's incredibly painful.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, it causes severe chronic pelvic pain, especially during menstrual cycles.
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  Speaker 1: And it just makes conceiving incredibly difficult and physically taxing,
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  Speaker 1: you know?
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  Speaker 2: The medical interventions required are just exhausting.
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  Speaker 1: It's a massive physical burden for the woman carrying it
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  Speaker 1: and obviously an intense emotional stress test for the marriage itself.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely. You have to schedule intimacy around ovulation cycles and
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  Speaker 2: pain flare-ups.
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  Speaker 1: Right. It becomes so clinical.
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  Speaker 2: It requires deep vulnerability and patience. And they did keep
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  Speaker 2: trying through the spring of 2019. They did, yeah. But
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  Speaker 2: by June, Beau claimed that this effort to conceive was
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  Speaker 2: taking a massive toll on him. He literally described intimacy
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  Speaker 2: with his wife as having become a task devoid of romance.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. I mean, that is just a profound statement about
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  Speaker 1: his psychological state right there.
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  Speaker 2: It really highlights that gap between their public facade and
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  Speaker 2: the private reality. When faced with a medical hardship that
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  Speaker 2: his wife is physically suffering through, his primary takeaway... is
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  Speaker 2: how it inconveniences his experience of romance.
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  Speaker 1: It's incredibly selfish.
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  Speaker 2: It is. Instead of communicating through the very normal stress
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  Speaker 2: of fertility struggles, you know, he views the structural integrity
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  Speaker 2: of the marriage as compromised. And he starts quietly looking
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  Speaker 2: for an escape hatch.
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  Speaker 1: But I have to push back a little here, honestly,
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  Speaker 1: because millions of couples go through IVF, right? They deal
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  Speaker 1: with endometriosis. They handle these grueling fertility struggles all the time,
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  Speaker 1: and they don't resort to total betrayal or murder.
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  Speaker 2: Right, of course.
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  Speaker 1: So, like, why does this specific stressor crack the foundation
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  Speaker 1: for Beau?
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  Speaker 2: Well, because the stressor didn't create a new flaw. It
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  Speaker 2: exposed an existing one. Beau lacked the emotional vocabulary to
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  Speaker 2: deal with conflict or discomfort.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, I see.
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  Speaker 2: When a person is deeply conflict-avoidant, they don't confront the issue.
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  Speaker 2: They compartmentalize it. They build a secondary reality where the
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  Speaker 2: conflict just doesn't exist. Yeah. Which is exactly what Beau
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  Speaker 2: does next.
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  Speaker 1: Man, and that transition from marital strain to active calculated deception,
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  Speaker 1: it happens terrifyingly fast.
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  Speaker 2: It's remarkably fast.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. So in May of 2019, Beau goes to a
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  Speaker 1: mutual friends party. And this might have actually been a wedding.
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  Speaker 1: But the key thing is, Jennifer is at this party
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  Speaker 1: with him.
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  Speaker 2: Right. She's right there.
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  Speaker 1: And while he is at this event, literally breathing the
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  Speaker 1: same air as his wife, He meets a 31-year-old woman,
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  Speaker 1: and almost immediately after, he initiates daily Facebook messaging with her.
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  Speaker 2: He establishes this relentless dopamine loop.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly. And that kicks off a six-month affair.
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  Speaker 2: The audacity of meeting the affair partner in the immediate
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  Speaker 2: physical proximity of his wife, I mean, that speaks to
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  Speaker 2: a staggering level of compartmentalization.
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  Speaker 1: It's so brazen.
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  Speaker 2: He is entirely separating his public life as the supportive
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  Speaker 2: husband from his private desires. And the physical evidence of
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  Speaker 2: this compartmentalization, that's what really anchors this case later on.
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  Speaker 1: Right. You're talking about the infamous notebook. Yes. Because five
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  Speaker 1: months before the murder, Beau takes a work notebook and
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  Speaker 1: he physically writes out that pros and cons list about
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  Speaker 1: leaving his wife for his mistress.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, we mentioned the pros earlier. Right.
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  Speaker 1: Better sex life, more respect, fresh start. And strangely, he
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  Speaker 1: also poses this question to himself in that column. He writes,
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  Speaker 1: is the cost too high? But the cons column is
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  Speaker 1: what just, it makes you sick. He writes, half my
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  Speaker 1: assets slash money. Trust is shaken slash tainted. My family disappointment.
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  Speaker 2: And then there's the part about the mistress's child. Right.
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  Speaker 1: Referring to her child who had some behavioral issues, he writes,
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  Speaker 1: take on her kid with his props.
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  Speaker 2: What's fascinating here is if you analyze the cognitive framework
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  Speaker 2: of this list, you see the mind of a chemical
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  Speaker 2: engineer completely misapplied to human emotional reality. Yes, exactly.
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  Speaker 1: It's so transactional.
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  Speaker 2: This isn't a crime of sudden inexplicable rage. You know,
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  Speaker 2: this list is a physical manifestation of premeditation. He is
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  Speaker 2: performing a strict cost-benefit analysis on human lives.
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  Speaker 1: He's literally trying to mathematically solve the quote-unquote problem of
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  Speaker 1: his marriage.
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  Speaker 2: Right. He is treating his wife, his mistress, and a
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  Speaker 2: child as variables in an equation. He wants to optimize
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  Speaker 2: his life for maximum comfort and minimum financial loss.
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  Speaker 1: But, I mean, I have to ask, Is that really
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  Speaker 1: just an engineer mindset or are we looking at something
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  Speaker 1: much darker? Because a lot of engineers optimize systems every
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  Speaker 1: single day without reducing a child to probs or treating
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  Speaker 1: their wife's life as a financial liability.
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  Speaker 2: That's a very fair point.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's so cold to list half my assets
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  Speaker 1: right alongside human lives. To me, this reads like a
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  Speaker 1: complete absence of empathy.
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  Speaker 2: It is deeply detached. Yeah. But labeling it pure psychopathy
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  Speaker 2: might actually oversimplify the cowardice involved here.
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  Speaker 1: Really? How so?
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  Speaker 2: Well, a primary psychopath often lacks the capacity for anxiety
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  Speaker 2: or fear of social judgment.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But Beau is deeply concerned with social judgment. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: he literally lists my family disappointment as a major con.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, that's true. He cares a lot about his image.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. What we're looking at is extreme narcissism coupled with
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  Speaker 2: deep conflict avoidance. There are. He wants this new life,
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  Speaker 2: but he is terrified of the social and financial penalty
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  Speaker 2: of a divorce. So he creates this ledger to try
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  Speaker 2: and logically justify his paralysis.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. It's like he's treating his marriage like a corporate
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  Speaker 1: merger gone bad. Like, how do I liquidate this asset
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  Speaker 1: without losing half my money?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's exactly how he views it.
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  Speaker 1: And this precarious secret balance he has engineered for himself,
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  Speaker 1: it is suddenly completely shattered in September of 2019.
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  Speaker 2: By the very thing they had been trying so hard
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  Speaker 2: to achieve.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. September 2019, Jennifer announces that she is pregnant.
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  Speaker 2: Finally.
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  Speaker 1: Right. And you can just imagine the absolute relief and
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  Speaker 1: joy she must have felt. After the endometriosis, the pain,
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  Speaker 1: the scheduling, this is the miracle she wanted.
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  Speaker 2: They even begin planning a nursery.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they start planning a nursery, adjusting their insurance policies
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  Speaker 1: to prepare for a baby. But Jennifer isn't blind, you know.
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  Speaker 1: She has incredible intuition.
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  Speaker 2: And the profound isolation she experiences during this period, it's
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  Speaker 2: palpable in the digital record.
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  Speaker 1: It really is. She notices this massive shift in Beau's behavior.
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  Speaker 1: He's withdrawn. He's uneasy. And it creates such a heavy
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  Speaker 1: anxiety in her that she picks up her phone and
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  Speaker 1: makes this heartbreaking Google search.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the search query.
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  Speaker 1: She types, what to do if your husband is upset
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  Speaker 1: you are pregnant?
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  Speaker 2: Let's break down the mechanics of that digital footprint for
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  Speaker 2: a second. Sure. Because when investigators pull writer logs and
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  Speaker 2: search histories, they aren't just looking for criminal intent. They
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  Speaker 2: are looking for emotional timelines.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, that's interesting.
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  Speaker 2: Right. That single search query establishes that Jennifer knew the
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  Speaker 2: structural integrity of her marriage was failing. But she was
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  Speaker 2: completely isolated and trying to fix it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Instead of a partner she could communicate with, she had
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  Speaker 2: to turn to a search engine algorithm for comfort.
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  Speaker 1: And here's where it gets really interesting in a terrible way,
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  Speaker 1: because you're probably wondering what Bo is doing while his
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  Speaker 1: wife is agonizing over how to comfort him.
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  Speaker 2: He's leaving his own digital footprint. Yes.
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  Speaker 1: And it is the exact inverse of hers. He is
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  Speaker 1: messaging his mistress. He tries to end the affair, actually,
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  Speaker 1: texting her that he is in total shock over the pregnancy.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: He says he feels like everything is coming down around me.
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  Speaker 1: And then he drops this line. He texts, part of
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  Speaker 1: me doesn't want this pregnancy to work out.
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  Speaker 2: And in that same volley of messages, he admits to
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  Speaker 2: the mistress that he had been contemplating divorcing Jennifer for
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  Speaker 2: two to three months before he even met the mistress.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: He tells her he thought he would have had the
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  Speaker 2: courage to go through with the divorce by now.
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  Speaker 1: He frames it as courage, but it is the ultimate cowardice.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 1: He feels trapped, sure. But he isn't trapped by the
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  Speaker 1: pregnancy or by Jennifer. He is trapped by his own
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  Speaker 1: pros and cons list. He doesn't want to face a
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  Speaker 1: divorce and lose half his assets. And he doesn't want
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  Speaker 1: his family to be disappointed.
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  Speaker 2: And under that self-imposed pressure, his executive function begins to
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  Speaker 2: just eradicate. He breaks it off with the mistress because
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  Speaker 2: of the pregnancy, sure. But literally two days later, he
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  Speaker 2: resumes contact.
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  Speaker 1: Two days.
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  Speaker 2: Two days. And why? Simply because... She told him she
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  Speaker 2: missed him.
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  Speaker 1: Just two days to abandon his attempt at doing the
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  Speaker 1: right thing. It's pathetic.
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  Speaker 2: And when he resumes the affair, he sends a text
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  Speaker 2: that becomes a massive anchor for the prosecution later on.
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  Speaker 2: Referring to his wife's pregnancy, he writes, I've never felt
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  Speaker 2: more regretful for anything in my entire life.
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  Speaker 1: About his own unborn child.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. And just a day before the murder, he messages
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  Speaker 2: the mistress again, saying, I'm addicted to you.
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  Speaker 1: It's just devastating juxtaposition, right? Jennifer is Googling how to
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  Speaker 1: fix her marriage while Beau is simultaneously telling his mistress
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  Speaker 1: he regrets his child.
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  Speaker 2: These digital communications are crucial. They establish malice, a forethought.
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  Speaker 2: They prove his state of mind was actively hostile toward
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  Speaker 2: the pregnancy and obsessed with the alternative life he wanted.
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  Speaker 2: Beau isn't trapped by circumstances. He's trapped by himself.
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  Speaker 1: So the tension is fully redlined now. You have a
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  Speaker 1: pregnant wife who suspects deep betrayal, a husband resentful of
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  Speaker 1: his own unborn child. And this looming reality that he
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  Speaker 1: cannot have his fresh start without facing ruinous social and
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  Speaker 1: financial consequences. Right. Which brings us to the night of
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  Speaker 1: the storm, November 11th, 2019. The night all of this
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  Speaker 1: hidden pressure just violently breaches the surface.
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  Speaker 2: And the environmental setup for that night acts as a
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  Speaker 2: literal pressure cooker. A severe winter storm sweeps through Creve Coeur.
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  Speaker 2: We're talking snow, freezing rain, treacherous road conditions.
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  Speaker 1: It completely traps them inside. Now, I want to walk
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  Speaker 1: through Beau's version of events first because... How a perpetrator
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  Speaker 1: frames their own actions tells you everything about their psychology.
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  Speaker 2: Definitely.
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  Speaker 1: According to his eventual confession, he claims he decided to
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  Speaker 1: finally come clean that night. He says he confessed the
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  Speaker 1: affair to Jennifer. She naturally demands to know the name
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  Speaker 1: of the woman, and he refuses to give it.
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  Speaker 2: Notice the dynamic there, though.
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  Speaker 1: What do you mean?
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  Speaker 2: Well, even in a moment of supposed absolute honesty, he
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  Speaker 2: is maintaining control. He is protecting the mistress over the
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  Speaker 2: wife he is supposedly coming clean to.
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  Speaker 1: Right. He's still guarding his secret life. So he claims
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  Speaker 1: this refusal sent Jennifer into a rage. He alleges that
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  Speaker 1: she yelled, keep your mystery, bitch.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And then, crucially, he claims she accused him of not
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  Speaker 1: being the father of their unborn child. Now, I need
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  Speaker 1: to state clearly right now that a later paternity test
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  Speaker 1: unequivocally proved the child was absolutely his.
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  Speaker 2: Which makes this a textbook example of post-defense victim blaming.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: When investigators analyze confessions, they frequently see perpetrators put inflammatory
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  Speaker 2: words into the mouths of their victims. By claiming she
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  Speaker 2: hurled an insult and questioned his paternity, which strikes at
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  Speaker 2: the core of his masculinity and ego, he is trying
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  Speaker 2: to build a legal and psychological off-ramp for himself.
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  Speaker 1: He's setting up an excuse.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly. He is attempting to lay the groundwork for a
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  Speaker 2: crime of passion defense. He needs the narrative to be
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  Speaker 2: that she pushed him into a temporary state of insanity
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  Speaker 2: to justify his actions to himself.
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  Speaker 1: Right. Because he claims her words sent him into a
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  Speaker 1: blind fit of rage. He says he retrieved a mallet,
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  Speaker 1: came up behind Jennifer and struck her on the head.
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  Speaker 2: With the mallet. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: He told police, I believe I cracked her skull. He
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: says she fell unconscious and tumbled down the stairs toward
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: the garage. Then he says he followed her down those
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: stairs and struck her again.
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: We really have to stop and analyze the physical biomechanics
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: of this attack because the physical evidence completely dismantles his
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: narrative of sudden passion.
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: Break that down for us.
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: Well, a crime of passion usually involves a mutual escalating
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: physical altercation. It's chaotic. It's face to face.
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: Right. And the heat of the moment.
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: Exactly. But striking someone from behind with a mallet is
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: entirely different. It requires you to leave the argument, procure
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: a weapon, approach an unsuspecting person whose back is turned.
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: and deliver a lethal blow. Yeah. That speaks to cowardice
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: and intent, not a momentary loss of control. Yeah. Furthermore,
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: following an already unconscious woman down a flight of stairs
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: to deliver a secondary strike indicates a clear, sustained intent
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: to kill.
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: I am so glad you break that down because I
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: want to completely rip apart the sudden passion defense based
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: on his actions immediately following the murder, right?
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: Go for it.
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: If you are in a heated argument with the person
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: you supposedly love and you snap- and you accidentally kill
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: them in a red haze of rage, what is the
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: psychological response when you snap out of it?
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: You panic. You call 911.
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: Right. You try to administer first aid. You are horrified
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: by what you've just done.
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: Yes, the post-defense behavior is where the true character of
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: the crime is usually revealed.
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: Exactly. So let me tell you what Beau Rothwell does.
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: He strips his wife's body. He loads her remains into
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: his vehicle. He then drives nearly 45 miles away from
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: their home navigating through a major winter storm with freezing
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: rain and snow.
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: In the middle of the night.
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: In the middle of the night. He drives for almost
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: an hour in treacherous weather just to dump her remains
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: in a remote wooded area. Then he drives the 45
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: miles back.
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: Unbelievable.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: And he's not done. He systematically scrubs the house with bleach.
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: He gathers all of his bloody cleaning supplies, leaves his
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: home again, and throws them away in a dumpster near
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: a highway.
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: Think about the immense executive function required to execute those steps.
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: It's massive. You don't navigate a 90-mile round trip in
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: a freezing storm, perform a biohazard cleanup of a crime scene,
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: and strategically dispose of evidence in a secondary location while
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: in a fit of rage.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: No, you don't.
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: That requires cold, methodical, logistical planning. It is post-defense staging.
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: He is distancing himself physically from the crime to regain
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: psychological control of the situation.
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: But here's the thing about engineering a cover-up. You cannot
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: control the variables outside your own house.
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: No, you can't.
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: And the facade begins to crumble the very next morning,
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: November 12th. Jennifer is a dedicated process engineer at DuPont.
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: She does not just know show to work.
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: Right. She's a professional.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: Exactly. So her co-workers instantly know something is wrong. One
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: of them actually texts Jennifer's mother, Robin, asking if she
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: knows where Jennifer is. And Robin immediately calls Beau.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: And at this exact moment, Beau is locked into his narrative.
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: The external pressure forces his hand. He can no longer
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: silently manage the cover-up. He has to play the role
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: of the panicked husband.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: Yep. He tells Robin he hasn't seen Jennifer since she
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: left for work at 6.20 that morning. So he's planting
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: a seed. Finally, at 9.4 p.m. that night, Beau officially
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: calls the police to report his wife missing.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: Almost a full day later.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: Right. And the story he feeds the police is sickeningly wholesome.
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: He claims that the night before the night he bludgeoned
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: her to death, mind you, they had this cozy domestic evening.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, this part is wild.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: He says they watched The Great British Begging Show on Netflix.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: They worked on a pregnancy countdown calendar together and went
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: to sleep early.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: He adds that he went to work that morning but
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: came home at 10 30 a.m because he was feeling
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: sick it's.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: A blatant overcompensation tactic he uses highly specific domestic details
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: a baking show a pregnancy calendar to paint a picture
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: of mundane bliss he thinks if he provides enough innocent
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: detail the police will simply view it as an unexplained disappearance.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: But the police are already finding cracks in this Because
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: a mutual friend discovers Jennifer's Hyundai Sonata abandoned on the
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: side of a local road. Right. The car is locked.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: Her cell phone is sitting visibly inside. But her purse
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: is missing.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: Which is incredibly clumsy staging. Yeah. He wants it to
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: look like a random abduction or a robbery. But leaving
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: the cell phone behind while locking the doors. I mean,
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: that points directly to a staged scene meant to artificially
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: delay the investigation.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. So investigators bring Bo into the station for an
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: interview with an officer worth. Let's look at the mechanics
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: of this interrogation.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: Officer Worth asks Bo to walk him through his day,
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: which he does. But then Worth gently presses him on
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: whether there were any marital issues. And Bo just chooses
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: not to respond.
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: An investigator is likely using an information gathering approach here
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: rather than a confrontational read technique. They want the subject
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: to talk freely to establish a baseline and, you know,
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: lock them into a timeline.
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: But when a spouse goes missing, the surviving partner is
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: usually desperate to provide any context, however embarrassing, that might
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: help locate them. Withholding information about the marriage immediately flags
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: him as deceptive.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a huge red flag. So what does this
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: all mean, right? You're probably wondering how a guy who
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: thinks he's smart enough to engineer a murder handles basic
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: police pressure.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: Not well.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: Not well at all. Officer Worth asks Beau what he
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: believes happened to his wife. Beau replies... I have no clue, man.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: When I looked in the car, I noticed her purse
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: was gone, so that makes me think. And it's locked,
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: so she didn't take her purse and lock it.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Wow.
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: He is actively trying to play detective in his own
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: staged crime scene.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: Yes, and doing it so poorly.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: Then Officer Worth asks a standard question. Would you be
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: willing to put that statement in writing? Beau immediately deflects.
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: He says, Maybe I feel like I would need a
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: lawyer for that or something. Sorry. Worth clarifies, Just for
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: a written statement, you're not suspected of any wrongdoing. And
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: Beau replies, yeah, I don't know. I was trying to
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: answer all the questions as simply as I can. I
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: do kind of want a lawyer. We're going down a
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: lot of rabbit holes.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: Rabbit holes. That specific phrase reveals the immense cognitive load
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: Beau was experiencing.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: OK, but are we giving him too much credit by
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: calling it cognitive load? Isn't he just lying poorly because
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: he knows he's guilty?
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: Well, lying poorly is a symptom of cognitive load. If
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: we connect this to the bigger picture of a police interview.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: When you tell the truth, you rely on memory, which
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: is relatively effortless. Right. When you construct a complex lie,
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: you have to actively manage the fabricated timeline, monitor the
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: investigator's reactions, and suppress the truth simultaneously. Beau's brain is
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: working overtime.
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: That makes sense.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: He calls a simple request for a written statement a
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: rabbit hole because he understands that a physical written record
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: of his lies is a trap. If he writes it down,
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: he can't adapt the lie later when new evidence is presented.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: His bizarre, detached, liability-managing language completely shattered his illusion of
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: being a grieving husband.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: He really thought he could outsmart them. And his liability
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: management is about to spectacularly fail. Because while he refuses
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: to let the police search his home or his car,
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: he completely forgot about the trash can sitting at the
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: curb of his property.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: A massive oversight.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: Massive. Police search it, and they find rubber gloves, paper towels,
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: and cleaning supplies. And crucially, they find a store receipt.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: This receipt is the critical piece of evidence. It's the
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: linchpin of the prosecution's entire case. It really is.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: The receipt shows that these specific industrial cleaning products were
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: purchased the day before Jennifer was reported missing, before the
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: night of this supposed spontaneous argument.
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: Let's explain why that is so legally devastating. To prove
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: first-degree murder, a prosecutor must prove malice aforethought and premeditation.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: They have to prove you planned to kill before you
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: struck the blow. Beau's defense relies on sudden passion, the
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: idea that he just snapped. But if you purchase bleach, gloves,
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: and paper towels before your wife goes missing, that implies
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: you mathematically calculated there was going to be a biological
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: mess to clean up.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: You literally prepared for it.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: Exactly. It completely obliterates the sudden passion defense. It is
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: premeditation printed on a CVS receipt.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: Armed with this undeniable contradiction, on November 13th, police returned
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: with a search warrant. They execute the warrant at the
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: couple's home, and the scene inside exposes the reality of
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: his cleanup attempt.
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: What do they find?
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: They find wet carpet soaked with bleach. But beneath that,
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: they find large areas of blood that had soaked completely
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: through the carpeting and deep into the underlying pad.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: I want to use an analogy here to explain the
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: forensic reality of what Bo tried to do. Scrubbing a
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: carpet with bleach is a lot like dragging a file
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: to the trash bin on your computer's desktop and hitting empty.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: You've removed the visible icons. but the actual forensic data
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: is still permanently etched into the hard drive. Bleach will
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: destroy the visible color of the blood, but it does
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: not destroy the hemoglobin profile.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: Wow, okay.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: When forensics applies a chemical like luminol or phenolphthalein, that
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: hemoglobin reacts and glows. Furthermore, the sheer volume of blood
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: required to seep through the carpet backing and pool in
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: the porous padding beneath means you cannot simply wipe it away.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: The hardware of the house absorbed the crime.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: That is a chilling way to put it. But you
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: know what the absolute wildest part of this timeline is?
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: It's Beau's behavior while that blood is sitting under his floorboards.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: Oh, the Facebook posts.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: Yes. Less than five hours before the police raided his
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: house and found that bleached crime scene, Beau was on Facebook.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: He posted a public plea for help.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: It's just absurd.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: He wrote, Some of you may have already heard, but
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: last night my wife Jennifer went missing. Please, if you
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: hear of anything or have any information, it would be
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: greatly appreciated. He even publicly offered a $ 25, 000 reward.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: The cognitive dissonance is just staggering. He is standing physically
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: over the biological evidence of his pregnant wife's murder, typing
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: out a desperate plea for her safe return to his
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: social network.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: With a reward.
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: It is a desperate performance to control the narrative, even
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: as the walls are literally closing in on him.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: And the walls did close in. The police arrest him.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: He is initially charged with tampering with evidence, which is
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: swiftly upgraded to second-degree murder, and his bond is revoked. Right.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: But the legal process demands that all of these mechanics,
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: the timeline, the CCTV footage matching the receipt, the cell
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: tower data, the digital searches, and the physical forensics, all
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: of it has to be synthesized in a courtroom.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: But before the trial could truly begin, they had to
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: locate Jennifer.
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: They did. On November 18th, a week after the murder,
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: human remains are finally discovered in that wooded area 45
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: miles away. Beau, realizing his position was hopeless, actually had
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: to assist police in narrowing down the location. And two
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: days later, on November 20th, which would have been Jennifer's
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: 29th birthday, authorities confirmed the remains were hers. The charges
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: against Beau are then upgraded to first-degree murder.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: When we look at the trial phase, it really becomes
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: a battle of legal definitions.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: Beau's defense attorney, Charles Barbaro, clings to the only narrative
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: Beau left him. He argues for voluntary manslaughter. He insists
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: the killing was not planned, that the argument over the
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: affair boiled over into sudden passion. He actually begs the
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: jurors to convict Beau of voluntary manslaughter, abandoning a corpse
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: and evidence tampering, but to spare him the first degree
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: murder conviction.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: To understand the jury's task, we have to look at
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: the legal threshold. Voluntary manslaughter requires that the perpetrator was
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: provoked in a way that would cause a reasonable person
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: to lose self-control and and that they acted before their
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: blood had time to cool.
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: The prosecution's job is to prove that his blood was
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: never hot. It was ice cold the entire time.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: And the prosecution methodically dismantled him. They didn't just show
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: that he killed her. They showed how his mind worked.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: They projected that pros and cons list for the jury
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: to see.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: They used his own logic against him.
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah. They read the text messages to the mistress, showing
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: his active hostility toward the pregnancy and his addiction to
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: the affair. They presented the store camera footage proving he
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: bought the bleach hours before he claimed to have snapped.
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: The prosecution successfully painted Bo not as a man who snapped,
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: but as a meticulous planner whose hubris led to his downfall.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: They took the exact traits Bo prided himself on his
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: meticulous planning, his calculated logic, his engineering mindset, and they
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: weaponized them to prove malice a forethought.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: And I want you to really grasp how completely the
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: jury rejected his defense. It took the jury just over
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: three hours to reach a verdict.
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: That is incredibly fast. Right.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: Think about the mechanics of jury deliberation. Twelve strangers have
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: to elect a foreperson, review days of complex forensic and
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: digital evidence, debate the legal definitions of manslaughter versus first-degree murder,
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: and come to a unanimous consensus. For them to do
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: all of that in three hours, I mean, that's the
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: time it takes to watch a baseball game. It means
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: there was absolutely zero debate in that room. The evidence
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: of premeditation was just overwhelming.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: A three-hour verdict is essentially an immediate rejection of the
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: defense's entire premise. The physical and digital trails he left
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: behind spoke louder than any narrative he tried to engineer
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: in the interrogation room.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: Beau Rothwell was found guilty of first-degree murder. The sentence
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: was life in prison without the possibility of parole.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: Which is the only structurally appropriate conclusion for a man...
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: who systematically destroyed the lives of everyone who trusted him.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: At the sentencing hearing, Jennifer's mother, Robin von Hausen, delivered
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: a victim impact statement via video call that truly centers
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: the reality of what was lost.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: It was heartbreaking.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: She spoke about the 28 vibrant years they had with
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: their daughter. She said,' Jennifer was a bright light in
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: our lives. Gone are the moments of joy with friends
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: and relatives.' She highlighted that Beau didn't just steal Jennifer's future,
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: he stole the life of their unborn grandchild.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: And Beau's response.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, his response. He simply stated to the family, Words
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: cannot describe how sorry I am. This should have never happened.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: It is a fundamentally hollow statement. It shifts the agency
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: away from himself, framing the murder almost as a tragic
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: event that simply happened, rather than a brutal execution that
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: he meticulously planned and carried out. Exactly.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: The true tragedy here is that his inability to simply
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: have an honest conversation or face a divorce resulted in
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: the destruction of so many lives. Beau Rothwell was not trapped.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: He just chose violence to protect his own comfort.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: As we bring this deep dive to a close, it's
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: clear that this case is so much more than a
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: timeline of a true crime investigation. It forces us to
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: confront the terrifying duality of human nature.
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: It really does.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: We see the vast chasm between the public smiling face
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: presented to the world and the private, calculated ledger kept
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: in the dark. It is a profound reminder that we
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: are all constantly leaving footprints in our search histories when
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: we are desperate for help and in the choices we
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: make when we think no one is watching.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: The structural integrity of a person's character is always recorded somewhere,
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: whether it is burned into a server log, printed on
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: a store receipt, or permanently etched into the floorboards of
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: a home.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: I want to leave you with a final thought to
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: mull over as you go about your day. Think back
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: to the very beginning of this story, to that pros
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: and cons list. In our modern world, we are relentlessly
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: trained to optimize our lives. Right. We use algorithms to
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: optimize our finances. We use apps to track and optimize
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: our sleep. We are taught to ruthlessly evaluate our careers
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: for maximum gain and minimal liability.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: We optimize everything.
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: We really do. But what happens when that cold, calculated
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: optimization is applied to the people we are supposed to love?
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: When does a partner or a child stop being a living,
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: breathing human being and start becoming just a variable in
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: a cost-benefit equation?
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: When efficiency replaces empathy, the foundation always collapses.
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: We started this deep dive talking about blueprints and outward appearances.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: When you only look at the surface, the fresh paint,
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: the clean windows, the successful careers, everything looks perfectly safe.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: But true integrity isn't about how the structure looks on
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: a sunny day. It is about what happens to the
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: foundation when the storm finally hits. Thank you for joining
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: us on this intense journey through the sources. Stay curious,
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  Speaker 1: take care of each other, and always look beneath the surface.