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Credlin | 9 February · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Kranland live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to the program. Here's what's coming up
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Speaker 2: tonight on Predlent as.
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Speaker 3: We go to air.
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Speaker 2: Protests across capital cities underway as Israeli President an invited
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Speaker 2: guest of government tours Australia under heavy police guard and
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Speaker 2: images sure to go right around the world. Stay across
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Speaker 2: that visit and throughout the show. Tensions between labor and
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Speaker 2: the Reserve Bank appear to be ramping up as the
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Speaker 2: RBA governor forced to admit public spending. So government spending
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Speaker 2: is a problem, but fig jam Jim, Well he's digging
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Speaker 2: in blaming everyone else but his own spending.
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Speaker 3: I'll show you those comments. Good in mind class.
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Speaker 2: A shocking silence from Premier Decenter Alan over secret taxpayer
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Speaker 2: payout to a woman who was sexually assaulted by a
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Speaker 2: transgender murderer in a women's prison.
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Speaker 3: Is this just happening in.
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Speaker 2: Victoria or our biological men in women's prisons around the country?
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Speaker 3: And where do the liberals stand on this?
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Speaker 2: And Susan Lee's leadership. It is terminal tonight. No longer
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Speaker 2: a question of if she goes but when. As more
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Speaker 2: MPs agree something must change.
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Speaker 4: This is a true crisis and something needs to change.
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Speaker 5: Unless something changes, we will be wiped out.
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Speaker 6: We are in such a bad way for us to
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Speaker 6: go back to our electorate.
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Speaker 3: We have to go with something new.
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Speaker 2: We will stay with that issue because the Federal Coalition
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Speaker 2: might have reformed yesterday, but that hasn't stemmed the chaos
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Speaker 2: on the conservative side of politics. Here's the Liberal and
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Speaker 2: National Party leaders on Sunday declaring that the past was
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Speaker 2: the past and the futures Rosy, I wouldn't be standing
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Speaker 2: here today if I didn't trust Susan Lean, I didn't
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Speaker 2: trust the Liberal Party.
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Speaker 3: Yes one dred percent.
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Speaker 5: I trust David and I value and respect the National Party.
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Speaker 7: Out of this pros we are stronger.
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Speaker 5: But the coalition is back together and looking to the future,
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Speaker 5: not the past.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 2: A key term of this new coalition marriage was a
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Speaker 2: commitment from the Liberal leader the legislation would go the
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Speaker 2: Joint Party Room for final ratification, something she should have
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Speaker 2: done and didn't do over those hate speech laws, hence
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Speaker 2: the origins of this second Almighty row. Yet National Party
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Speaker 2: shadow ministers will still be shunted to the naughty corner
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Speaker 2: for a month as punishment for their supposed breach of
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Speaker 2: cabinet solidarity, when in reality the only one who broke
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Speaker 2: long standing precedent by running scared from the party room
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Speaker 2: is the leader, Susan Lee herself. And as relevant as
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Speaker 2: the origin of the mess might be, in the end,
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Speaker 2: it pales into insignificance when confronted with the horror show
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Speaker 2: that is today's newspoll.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 2: I have been warning non stop since we return from
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Speaker 2: the Christmas break, fix this Liberals or it will get worse,
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Speaker 2: I said. If you think it can't go lower, it can. Sadly,
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Speaker 2: that's precisely where we are tonight.
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Speaker 3: The Liberal Party on.
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Speaker 2: A primary vote of just fifteen percent eighteen percent if
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Speaker 2: you add in the nationals, meaning that's a whopping fourteen
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Speaker 2: percentage points down from Dutton's thirty two percent primary at
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Speaker 2: the last year's election. And that was so bad then
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Speaker 2: it was their worst primary result in history. But that
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Speaker 2: is not the worst of it. The votes bleeding out
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Speaker 2: of the coalition and moving across to one nation and
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Speaker 2: Pauline Hanson's vote has climbed to an impressive primary vote
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Speaker 2: of twenty seven percent today, making that a new record
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Speaker 2: and use pole history for a minor party. Only one
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Speaker 2: Nation's not the minor party anymore, is it. The coalition
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Speaker 2: is if that polling trend over the last two months
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Speaker 2: is real, and if it is real, if it's replicated
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Speaker 2: on election day, or it is a blood bath for
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Speaker 2: the Liberal Party. As former front bench of j Hume
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Speaker 2: may play today, I've.
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Speaker 5: Been looking at the numbers, just running a ruler over
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Speaker 5: the pendulum and I don't think that at this point
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Speaker 5: there will be a single member of the House of
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Speaker 5: Representatives from Victoria. There won't be a single member of
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Speaker 5: the House of Representatives from New South Wales.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 2: When Hume was pushed about what's driving this free fall
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Speaker 2: in photo support, she didn't miss thinking about the election
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Speaker 2: review that is due out any day now.
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Speaker 5: Now Peter Dutton was an unpopular leader. That will be
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Speaker 5: the message of the review. But his polling was at
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Speaker 5: around negative twenty four percent. Susan Laiz is now negative
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Speaker 5: thirty five. You know, six months into the last term
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Speaker 5: of parliament, Peter Dutton had said this is what we
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Speaker 5: stand for. He had announced that we were going to
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Speaker 5: allow older Australians to continue to work without losing their pension.
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Speaker 5: We had announced four hundred million dollars for youth mental health.
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Speaker 5: We had announced a issue policies to address domestic violence.
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Speaker 5: We had announced a nuclear energy policy. I'm not entirely
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Speaker 5: sure what it is that we have announced in the
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Speaker 5: last nine months.
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Speaker 2: Jim's absolutely right. It's not enough to be against a
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Speaker 2: bad government. Voters have to know how things would be
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Speaker 2: different and better under the coalition and this is where
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Speaker 2: Lee has been an epic fail. Yes, the Libs did
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Speaker 2: eventually fall in behind the NAT's late last year and
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Speaker 2: belatedly rejected net zero, but there's still no coalition energy policy,
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Speaker 2: even though the government's energy policy is slow, economic suicide
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Speaker 2: and on immigration the key driver of support away from
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Speaker 2: the Liberals to one Nation. From Lee, there's been nothing now.
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Speaker 2: Months and months ago, she effectively sacked Andrew Hasty for
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Speaker 2: their immigration shadow because he wanted big changes both to
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Speaker 2: the number of people coming into Australia and the sort
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Speaker 2: of values they bring with them.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 2: This was a power play by Lee and reflected the
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Speaker 2: worry of so called moderates left Liberals that even discussing
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Speaker 2: immigration cuts could hurt them in leafy till seats. They're
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Speaker 2: so desperate to win back, but This was wrong headed
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Speaker 2: because right across the country, voters on the left and
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Speaker 2: the right migration reform, and unlike those in the well heeled,
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Speaker 2: rich seats around the country, these everyday voters are the
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Speaker 2: ones that live with the consequences of too many people,
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Speaker 2: too quickly and increasingly people who do not share yare
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Speaker 2: a love of this country, the same love that those
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Speaker 2: already here have in Spain. Lee then said, are policies
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Speaker 2: on its way now. It was deferred because of the
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Speaker 2: Bondai massacre, fair enough, But in yesterday's press conference with
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Speaker 2: Little Proud, we were told that what's coming will only
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Speaker 2: be a set of immigration principles, no policy, that's all,
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Speaker 2: not a fair income blueprint for change. So nothing on energy,
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Speaker 2: nothing on immigration, and no other real policies to speak of.
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Speaker 3: Now, for Heck's sake, it's.
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Speaker 2: Been nine months since she took over as leader and
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Speaker 2: no policies.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 2: It might remind her and her office she was there
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Speaker 2: at the time, but clearly she's forgotten. When Abbott took
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Speaker 2: over from Turnberle at the end of two thousand and nine,
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Speaker 2: he took a whole suite of policies to an election
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Speaker 2: in just eight months and got so close to victory
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Speaker 2: that we ended up with that hung parliament. In that election,
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Speaker 2: Abbott's primary vote this is twenty ten was forty three percent.
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Speaker 2: Three years later it was a whopping forty six percent.
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Speaker 2: Forty three percent, forty six percent in two elections, and
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Speaker 2: today today it's eighteen percent, even if you combine it
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Speaker 2: with the nets. The problem is the current mob in Canberra.
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Speaker 2: They're not hungry.
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Speaker 3: Where's the work. Where are the policies.
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Speaker 2: Where are the policies, Because policies are what turnaround polls,
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Speaker 2: not points scoring or political rectric. Now, the reason why
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Speaker 2: Liberal supporters are walking is because the Liberal Party doesn't
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Speaker 2: know what it stands for anymore. The supporters know what
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Speaker 2: they stand for, the party doesn't. And if this Lee
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Speaker 2: leadership links on much longer, there's every chance there won't
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Speaker 2: even be a Liberal Party anymore. I mean it is
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Speaker 2: that serious. Susan Lee's leadership is terminal. She is God,
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Speaker 2: it is over. It is over and frankly and I
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Speaker 2: have never advocated for this ever before, not even with
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Speaker 2: Malcolm Turnbull. For the good of the party, Susan Lee
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Speaker 2: should resign. She should go because the first job of
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Speaker 2: a leader is to keep the team together twice. Now
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Speaker 2: the coalition has split on her watch. On that measure alone,
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Speaker 2: her time is up. The other job of the leader
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Speaker 2: is to impart a sense of purpose. Now, at no
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Speaker 2: stage she been able to give the Liberals any sense
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Speaker 2: of conviction. She's always been a political manager, not a warrior.
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Speaker 2: And when her biggest calling card to get the job
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Speaker 2: was agenda, not a fighting record, not what she wanted
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Speaker 2: to do in the top job, but agenda, well, therein
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Speaker 2: lies the problem. Conservatives do not have a problem with women.
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Speaker 2: They have a problem when leaders male or female, just
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Speaker 2: sit there and mind the shop. Have a look at
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Speaker 2: the results over the weekend from the Japanese election where
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Speaker 2: Conservative leader Sanai Takaichi one are whopping three hundred and
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Speaker 2: fifty plus seat majority in a landslide because she had tough,
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Speaker 2: clear policy positions such as economic reform and military rearmament. Now,
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Speaker 2: like Margaret Thatcher, Takiyachi models herself on thatcher. It's about policies,
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Speaker 2: not gender. That's her game changer. When Lee goes, it's
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Speaker 2: and it's a when, not an if. The new Liberal
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Speaker 2: leader must radiate a strong sense of purpose and direction
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Speaker 2: from day one. It will not be enough now, not
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Speaker 2: with a fifteen percent Liberal primary just to change the leader.
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Speaker 2: It's what they do and do quickly that will matter most. Now,
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Speaker 2: is its tailor up to it? Let's hope so. For
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Speaker 2: our country's sake, Let's hope so. For the Liberal Party's sake,
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Speaker 2: Let's hope so. But unless you get to move on,
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Speaker 2: it may not be a Liberal Party left to lead
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Speaker 2: and without a decent opposition in this country, a truly
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Speaker 2: bad government gets off scott free and Australians are left
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Speaker 2: without hope. All right, let's go to Camber now for
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Speaker 2: the headline, Sky News political reporter Ribbon Spargo.
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Speaker 8: The Liberal Party is preparing for a leadership's build before
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Speaker 8: the end of the week. Supporters of Angus Taylor expect
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Speaker 8: him to challenge Susan Lee. The opposition leader, is fighting
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Speaker 8: back against speculation.
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Speaker 9: My team elected me and I lead a team with
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Speaker 9: determination and focus.
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Speaker 3: I'm up for the job. We're up for the job.
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Speaker 8: Sky News understands a special party room meeting will be
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Speaker 8: requested for later in the week.
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Speaker 5: My message to my leaders is that if you have
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Speaker 5: a rabbit in your hat, it's time to reach for
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Speaker 5: that bunny, because we cannot continue this way.
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Speaker 8: Susan Lee has told her colleagues to keep concerns private.
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Speaker 8: Israeli President Isaac Hertzog is mourning Bondai massacre victims during
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Speaker 8: a controversial visit to Australia. There is a heavy police
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Speaker 8: presence around Sydney as protesters threaten to disrupt the full
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Speaker 8: day tour.
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Speaker 10: What you hear and see comes to undermine and diligendimize
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Speaker 10: our right, my nation's right, the nation which I am
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Speaker 10: the head of state, of of its mere existence.
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Speaker 8: The President voiced his frustration at Australia for not heeding
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Speaker 8: warnings from Israel about rising anti Semitism.
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Speaker 3: All right, we'll stay with Camber News.
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Speaker 2: Now joining me Skyny's political contributor Chris Yielman. Well, Chris,
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Speaker 2: we have to start with the biggest news out of
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Speaker 2: Camber today, and there's an imminent spill from the Liberal
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Speaker 2: Party and that dire News poll.
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Speaker 3: I mean.
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Speaker 2: We've spoken almost at every pole to say Jesus can't
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Speaker 2: get any worse. There's surely there must be at rock bottom.
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Speaker 2: I mean, that's a massive drop there, three points on
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Speaker 2: the coalition's primary, fifteen for the Liberal Party, twenty seven
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Speaker 2: for one nation, highest ever for a minor party, but
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Speaker 2: to make the point, they're not the minor party anymore.
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Speaker 2: Give me your take on where things will likely go this.
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Speaker 1: Week, Cope, Peter, it's completely unsustainable and it will be lucky.
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Speaker 1: Cisatly we'll be lucky to see the week out.
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Speaker 11: If I was her, I.
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Speaker 1: Actually would be calling on a party room vote now,
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Speaker 1: because it cannot be allowed to go on. If she
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Speaker 1: thinks that she's got the numbers, she needs to test
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Speaker 1: them now. They need to lance this boil. But what
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Speaker 1: I would say is I do not see how Angus
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Speaker 1: Taylor on his own makes any change to any of
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Speaker 1: this at all. I think we've seen a rupture in
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Speaker 1: the Conservative side of politics. This is not just a cycle.
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Speaker 1: We used to say that the Liberal Party or the Coalition
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Speaker 1: could not win without a four in front of its
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Speaker 1: primary vote. Then it fell to three. We saw the
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Speaker 1: catastrophic results of that. Now it's got a one in
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Speaker 1: front of it. And the way that this party system
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Speaker 1: in Australia works, the two party preferred system, is that
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Speaker 1: you could see at the next election Anthony albaneasy remarkably
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Speaker 1: increase his position because of the fracturing on the Conservative
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Speaker 1: side of politics. If those preferences do not flow between
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Speaker 1: those groups you ad them up, there's about forty six percent.
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Speaker 1: But you look at an electric by electric, they could
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Speaker 1: all cancel each other out and the Labor Party could
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Speaker 1: win in almost every seat. So we are at a
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Speaker 1: catastrophic level for the coalition. I don't know how it
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Speaker 1: revives itself.
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Speaker 2: The problem for believes Chris is they've got this Messiah complex.
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Speaker 2: They've had it for a long time in terms of
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Speaker 2: the leader. You know, just change the leader will sort
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Speaker 2: things out. Not just similar that the Tories in the
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Speaker 2: UK also might add, but you know there's not a
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Speaker 2: lot of sizzle with Angus Taylor. Al think more competence
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Speaker 2: and we're seeing with Susan Lee better track record than
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Speaker 2: we're seeing with Susan Lee. But you know Howard in
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Speaker 2: his first iteration was never popular. Tony Abbott was infamously unpopular.
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Speaker 2: Both of them won considerable landslides with a forty five
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Speaker 2: plus primary vote. What was different for them as opposed
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Speaker 2: to where the Libs are now is they had policies
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Speaker 2: on the table. The policies are what people vote for.
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Speaker 2: And I would have thought after the Dutton mistake last
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Speaker 2: time round, in May of really not having much to
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Speaker 2: take to the election, not learning from that. We're nine
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Speaker 2: months in with Susan Lee and we've got Diddley squad.
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Speaker 2: There is no meat on the bone. And it's not
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Speaker 2: like they're running portfolios. I mean, the only thing you
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Speaker 2: do in opposition, and I've spent plenty of time there
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Speaker 2: is you know, head down, bump up and work on
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Speaker 2: policies that gets you back in the game.
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Speaker 3: And they're not doing that. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Look, you don't have to be popular, you do need
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Speaker 1: to be confident and competence starts with running your own show.
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Speaker 1: As Bob Hawk famously said, if you can't run your
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Speaker 1: own show, that you can't run the country. And that's
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Speaker 1: the way that people feel about this coalition at the
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Speaker 1: moment and should be said, this slide's been coming for
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Speaker 1: a long time. It was the last two elections which
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Speaker 1: delivered us this. Now Susanly hasn't inherited a lot of
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Speaker 1: that and the position has got worse. But if I
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Speaker 1: was asking Angus Taylor at the moment, what's your offer,
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Speaker 1: what are the first three or four sentences that you
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Speaker 1: are going to say to the Australian people to try
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Speaker 1: and capture their imagination. Now, even Angus Taylor's biggest supporters
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Speaker 1: would probably admit that communication is not one of his
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Speaker 1: great skills. You do need policies, but you do need
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Speaker 1: to be able to prosecute them in public as well.
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Speaker 1: And they're the two elements that are missing at the moment.
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Speaker 1: Say yes, policy for sure, prosecution for sure. But the
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Speaker 1: people who want change in this party now need to
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Speaker 1: be crafting in their minds for Angus Taylor to say
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Speaker 1: on the day that he steps up and takes that
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Speaker 1: leadership what it is exactly that he stands for, and
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Speaker 1: what does he intend to do, and what does the
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Speaker 1: Liberal Party stand for, and what does it intend to
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Speaker 1: do to try and win back the confidence of the
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Speaker 1: Australian people, because right now it's gone and getting that
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Speaker 1: love back is going to be very, very difficult.
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Speaker 3: Indeed, I could not agree more Chris.
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Speaker 2: He's got to get up there and be absolutely clear
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Speaker 2: as to why there has been the change and what
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Speaker 2: will be different under him. And he needs a plan
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Speaker 2: literally for the first forty eight hours, a plan for
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Speaker 2: the first week, a plan for the first month. He
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Speaker 2: then has to I think put his best team on
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Speaker 2: the field. I think for too long. They've played dust
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Speaker 2: and drakes the leaves with their front bench that they're
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Speaker 2: worried about people that might be a threat, so they've
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Speaker 2: punted them people like you know, Jane Hume and Sarah
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Speaker 2: Henderson that's punted them to the back bench. Andrew Hasty
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Speaker 2: just enterprise. Angus is going to get one crack at this.
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Speaker 2: He has to put his best team on the paddock
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Speaker 2: and be absolutely blind to personal relationships, factional heavyweights, all
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Speaker 2: of that, and he's got to be prepared for those
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Speaker 2: that you know, Alex Hawk, who clearly can I perform
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Speaker 2: is a game.
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Speaker 3: Player at best.
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Speaker 2: Literally cut his throat, get him out of the way,
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Speaker 2: and put good people with brains on his front line
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Speaker 2: because you know, it's eleven minutes to midnight and it
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Speaker 2: generally genuinely is I believe an existential question now for
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Speaker 2: the Liberal Party will they even survive?
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Speaker 1: I agree with you, I absolutely agree with you, and
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Speaker 1: I think that you're right they have very limited personnel.
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Speaker 1: That they do have some and they should be on
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Speaker 1: the paddic And that also means that Matt Canavan's got
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Speaker 1: to come off the backbench and be part of that
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Speaker 1: team in the National Party clearly has a huge influence
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Speaker 1: in that party, so he should be there and he
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Speaker 1: should have some role in energy.
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Speaker 6: Now.
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Speaker 1: I really like Dan Ten. I think that he's been
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Speaker 1: trying his best to do a job there. But I
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Speaker 1: think there has to be some kind of way in
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Speaker 1: which Dan teen has to say in what's going on
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Speaker 1: in energy policy in Australia. Jane Hume for sure, James
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Speaker 1: Patterson for sure. There are people there. They're limited, but
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Speaker 1: all of them have to get this into their head.
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Speaker 3: What is it.
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Speaker 1: Who are they serving? They're serving the Australian people. That's
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Speaker 1: what matters. They need to be keeping that at the
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Speaker 1: forefront of their mind every single day. The purpose of
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Speaker 1: them being in Parliament is to be servants of the
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Speaker 1: people of Australia, and at the moment they are self
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Speaker 1: serving and everyone.
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Speaker 3: Can see that.
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Speaker 2: Let's go to the visit of the Israeli president today.
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Speaker 2: Bondai protests some in Sydney. Sorry, not in Bonda. He
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Speaker 2: was at Bondi. The protests are enter around the Sydney
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Speaker 2: city area. There were some loan protesters at Bondlow, but
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Speaker 2: nothing like we see in Sydney. He made some very
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Speaker 2: pointed comments in relation to the protesters.
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Speaker 10: Let's listen these demonstrations. In most cases what you hear
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Speaker 10: and see comes to undermine and diligendimize our right, my
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Speaker 10: nation's right, the nation which I am the head of
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Speaker 10: state of of its mere existence. And it's contradictory to
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Speaker 10: whatever ever said was said and done by Australia.
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Speaker 2: I mean, this is effectively Chris a condolence visit at
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Speaker 2: the invitation of Australia to another head of state. And
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Speaker 2: when John Howard went to Indonesia, a large Muslim country,
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Speaker 2: after the Barbly bombings, to mourn our dead, he was
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Speaker 2: treated with enormous respect. And yet here in Australia, all
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Speaker 2: these years later, I'm ashamed of these scenes.
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Speaker 1: A shamed but not surprised, though, are you, Peter, Like
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Speaker 1: you expected that you would see this on the streets
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Speaker 1: of Sydney. And I expect that those people who have
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Speaker 1: been told by a court now that they cannot march
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Speaker 1: will attempt to march, and I'm assuming that they'll try
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Speaker 1: to disrupt this visit as much as they possibly can.
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Speaker 1: And I think the thing that to watch now is
20:51
Speaker 1: what happens through the rest of this visit, because there
20:53
Speaker 1: is huge disquiet inside the Labor Party, and some of
20:55
Speaker 1: them will be chafing at the bit in order to
20:58
Speaker 1: have their say about the president's visit, because inside the
21:02
Speaker 1: Labor Party there is deep division on this and a
21:05
Speaker 1: large part of the backbench of the Labor Party in
21:08
Speaker 1: some of the ministry obviously supporters clearly of the state
21:12
Speaker 1: of Palestine and anti Israel essentially in their sentiment, and
21:16
Speaker 1: that I think will be difficult to contain. So that
21:19
Speaker 1: will be something to watch.
21:23
Speaker 3: Just quickly.
21:24
Speaker 2: The ABC's got through abuke from the boss of AZO.
21:26
Speaker 2: They've got a program to nine on four corners with
21:29
Speaker 2: suggestions that there were significant intelligence failings that led to
21:34
Speaker 2: Bonder And now the AZO boss says ABC's use of
21:38
Speaker 2: what they call uncorroborated claims of a disgruntled source.
21:44
Speaker 3: They're not happy with that.
21:46
Speaker 2: These are the sort of allegations that properly should be
21:49
Speaker 2: tested in a royal commission. I think this is why
21:51
Speaker 2: we needed a royal commission. If it is true that
21:55
Speaker 2: our agencies cool down should have done better, then fix
21:58
Speaker 2: it and fast. But I tell you, where's the ABC
22:01
Speaker 2: calling out the political failures that have led to the
22:04
Speaker 2: rise in anti Semitism, like the failure to deport hate
22:08
Speaker 2: preachers as an example.
22:12
Speaker 1: Yeah, look, I haven't seen report from Four Corners obviously
22:14
Speaker 1: watched with interests tonight. ASIO is clearly deeply concerned about it.
22:18
Speaker 1: You would expect, though, that any media organization is gained
22:20
Speaker 1: to be looking at whether or not there were intelligence failures.
22:23
Speaker 1: I can tell you this from what I know about
22:25
Speaker 1: what happened between the father and the son. The father
22:28
Speaker 1: was very very much involved in the instigation of the
22:31
Speaker 1: son to become radicalized. On this and also when you
22:36
Speaker 1: look at the number of people that ASIO have on
22:38
Speaker 1: that watch list that we keep talking about, do you
22:40
Speaker 1: know how many that is, Peter, There is over eighteen
22:44
Speaker 1: thousand people now that AZIO has on.
22:47
Speaker 3: Its watch list.
22:48
Speaker 1: It is literally physically impossible for that agency to keep
22:52
Speaker 1: an eye on everyone. So I do not know what
22:56
Speaker 1: happened in the course of the life of that young
22:58
Speaker 1: man and his father, but it would not surprise me
23:02
Speaker 1: if there was not sufficient evidence for ASIO to be
23:04
Speaker 1: able to keep a detail on him, given there are
23:08
Speaker 1: so many people that fall in that list. So I
23:12
Speaker 1: have eighteen thousand people, We've got a serious problem inside Australia.
23:16
Speaker 1: This is not just neo Nazis. This is radical Islam
23:19
Speaker 1: that we are talking about. That is the thing that
23:22
Speaker 1: needs to be named as the root of the problem
23:25
Speaker 1: in all of this. That is the thing that the
23:27
Speaker 1: Royal Commission is going to have to come to terms with.
23:30
Speaker 1: It's going to be a very very difficult year this
23:34
Speaker 1: nation as we come to terms with what multiculturalism actually
23:38
Speaker 1: means and what it means to be an Australian citizen.
23:44
Speaker 2: And whether we even want MULTICULTURALI isn't in this country anymore.
23:48
Speaker 2: I'm not saying we don't want migrants of lots of backgrounds,
23:52
Speaker 2: but do we accept the long held premise of the
23:54
Speaker 2: left that we should be all cultures and basically no
23:58
Speaker 2: unified culture. Whether we can keep on going on as
24:01
Speaker 2: we have been, Chris, thank you. Let's go now to
24:05
Speaker 2: the Across Victoria Alliance conference that was held in Horsham
24:09
Speaker 2: yesterday and today. This is of course a defiant new
24:12
Speaker 2: movement of farmers bought together following protests against State Labour's
24:17
Speaker 2: decision to hike the emergency service Letty and it's pushed
24:21
Speaker 2: throle at renewables on private farming land, whether it's wanted
24:25
Speaker 2: or not. There's new group's on the verge of becoming
24:27
Speaker 2: a political force for regional and rural voters who are
24:31
Speaker 2: fed up with being ignored by a city centric government.
24:34
Speaker 2: We sent out state reporter Georgie Dickinson to the west
24:38
Speaker 2: of Victoria to get a sense of sentiment on the ground.
24:42
Speaker 3: Farmers have been ignored forever, like labor always.
24:45
Speaker 1: Ignore what farmers and as we all know, without us
24:49
Speaker 1: FI Brunner and food, you know, how do we survive.
24:52
Speaker 9: The fire services?
24:53
Speaker 1: Levy, Yeah, we've got to do something about that to
24:55
Speaker 1: real concern for US farmers.
24:57
Speaker 11: To I think picked a very upset about it doesn't
25:00
Speaker 11: seem up to sing the canyon there and haven't listened
25:04
Speaker 11: to Seals goal night.
25:06
Speaker 3: She's gotten a no one here now.
25:09
Speaker 2: The event on the weekend was attended by One Nation MP,
25:11
Speaker 2: former deput Prime Minister, former Nat Barnaby Joyce, and I
25:14
Speaker 2: can tell you it's no wonder. There's plenty of speculation
25:17
Speaker 2: that his party is keeping a very close eye on
25:20
Speaker 2: this movement as it looks like it will put up
25:23
Speaker 2: candidates for seats across Victoria. Farming communities are angry. They
25:27
Speaker 2: feel completely powerless and they've had enough here to discuss
25:31
Speaker 2: it across Victoria Alliance chairman farmer Andrew Wideman. Andrew, welcome
25:37
Speaker 2: to the program. Give us a sense of the mood
25:39
Speaker 2: up there.
25:41
Speaker 4: Yeah.
25:41
Speaker 12: So, look, the sense of the mood up here is
25:44
Speaker 12: one that we're not seeing a lot of action, particularly
25:47
Speaker 12: so far from the coalition government here in Victoria.
25:50
Speaker 3: And we did have.
25:51
Speaker 12: Speakers today from the coalition that which started to give
25:53
Speaker 12: us a little bit of hope Peter. But essentially I
25:56
Speaker 12: think Barnaby last night he set the foundation for a
25:59
Speaker 12: very strong push for One Nation, particularly here into the
26:02
Speaker 12: Victorian election which is up and coming, and there is
26:05
Speaker 12: a real mood of change. I don't think there's any
26:07
Speaker 12: question that One Nation right across Australia, not only just
26:12
Speaker 12: hearing Victoria, particularly that the mood is of one of
26:16
Speaker 12: change when they're saying the right things. The thing we
26:18
Speaker 12: need is good policy and just listening to you talking
26:22
Speaker 12: before policy is the crucial part. And that's something that
26:25
Speaker 12: I've grown up with representing farmers across Australia and we
26:29
Speaker 12: need to make sure that we have good policies and
26:31
Speaker 12: that's what's coming out of our conference from the last
26:34
Speaker 12: day in a bit.
26:37
Speaker 2: Are you seeing enough meat on the bones from I mean,
26:40
Speaker 2: I could hear you not happy with Labor, but in
26:43
Speaker 2: terms of the coalition, they've got a state election in
26:45
Speaker 2: Victoria in November, that's only ten months away. Are you
26:49
Speaker 2: getting enough meat on the bones from them?
26:53
Speaker 12: Look not at the moment, Peter. I mean, I'd be
26:55
Speaker 12: lying if I said that we thought we were going
26:57
Speaker 12: to get what we wanted completely from the current co government.
27:00
Speaker 12: And the reality is that we've taken an undertaking to
27:04
Speaker 12: continue to work with them and work with those parties
27:07
Speaker 12: to ensure that the views of the group coming out
27:10
Speaker 12: of our conference will actually be taken forward. And obviously
27:13
Speaker 12: you know, one nation's in the mix, and any of
27:15
Speaker 12: the current government Labor government included, can also be involved
27:21
Speaker 12: in that once we give them our policy positions, which
27:25
Speaker 12: is coming out of today's conference, and we'll make that
27:27
Speaker 12: available in the morning to everyone, once we finalize some
27:31
Speaker 12: of the editing that we need to do from today.
27:36
Speaker 2: Just a quick one, the big transmission line role out.
27:39
Speaker 2: I was up to your way not so long ago.
27:41
Speaker 2: A lot of anger basically from Mildura all the way
27:44
Speaker 2: down to where you are in Horsham. When I asked
27:47
Speaker 2: the opposition State and federal about it, there's a lot
27:49
Speaker 2: of support for your position, and I'm happy with the
27:52
Speaker 2: way the role that's proceeding. I certainly don't want the
27:55
Speaker 2: role out to be forced on farmers.
27:57
Speaker 3: But when I.
27:58
Speaker 2: Said to them, well, what's your role to what happens
28:01
Speaker 2: where you stop this line? Will you move the money
28:04
Speaker 2: somewhere else? How do you proceed? I couldn't really get
28:08
Speaker 2: much much in detail. Did you have more of an
28:11
Speaker 2: opportunity than I did?
28:13
Speaker 12: Well, Look, the thing that we see here is that
28:16
Speaker 12: the energy policy mix is wrong, and I think that's
28:19
Speaker 12: where we need to start at the foundation level and
28:21
Speaker 12: start to look at why it's wrong and start to
28:24
Speaker 12: look at how we can reduce costs. Now, the government
28:27
Speaker 12: has been very strong in saying that this is the
28:30
Speaker 12: cheapest form of energy. Where we've had speakers today like
28:32
Speaker 12: Aiden Morrison, who has obviously been on your program as well,
28:36
Speaker 12: talking about some of the some of the different mix
28:39
Speaker 12: opportunities in terms of what we should be looking for.
28:42
Speaker 12: And I think even from an investment point of view,
28:44
Speaker 12: there are a number of people out there concerned about
28:48
Speaker 12: the current government's position because they also realize that it's
28:51
Speaker 12: a flawed fundamental policy that they're now trying to brandish
28:54
Speaker 12: and push under the bush. The other thing about what
28:57
Speaker 12: we're also saying, Peter, is that like the bushfires, the
29:00
Speaker 12: two thousand and nine Royal Commission Bushfires, said that all
29:03
Speaker 12: of the power lines, particularly in those high risk zones,
29:08
Speaker 12: should be put underground, not above ground. And I think
29:11
Speaker 12: that's why we need to get the mix of policy
29:13
Speaker 12: right with the right outcomes. You know, we're increasing the
29:17
Speaker 12: danger for us to fight fires as a volunteer fire
29:19
Speaker 12: person myself, in terms of being able to even access
29:22
Speaker 12: some of the farms if they've got these massive transmission lines.
29:26
Speaker 12: We can't get within a kilometer and a half. Now
29:28
Speaker 12: we've got homes in some cases within seven hundred to
29:31
Speaker 12: five hundred meters of these massive five hundred five hundred
29:35
Speaker 12: what transmission lines.
29:36
Speaker 8: So yeah, we've got a lot to work through.
29:39
Speaker 12: But I think it's pretty clear that at the moment
29:41
Speaker 12: the Coalition needs to get its act together here in
29:43
Speaker 12: Victoria in terms of its energy policy. But also on
29:46
Speaker 12: top of that, you know, protecting the fabric and fiber
29:50
Speaker 12: of the regions. There's only a very limited amount here
29:53
Speaker 12: in Victoria variable there, in fact, the very limited area
29:56
Speaker 12: of Australia wide of only some four and a half
29:57
Speaker 12: percent producing the gd P the numbers that we do
30:00
Speaker 12: at the moment from agriculture, and we're talking about putting
30:03
Speaker 12: seventy percent covering Victoria in seventy percent of transmission and
30:08
Speaker 12: batteries and solar factories essentially on the farm. So the
30:12
Speaker 12: intermittent power, I think, is how we've described it, and
30:16
Speaker 12: it's not going to service the business sector very well
30:19
Speaker 12: here in Victoria going forward, in particularly agriculture.
30:23
Speaker 3: Not at all. And agricultures how we pay our way.
30:26
Speaker 2: Andrew Wittman, thank you very much for your time for
30:28
Speaker 2: right after break?
30:30
Speaker 3: What do we actually know.
30:31
Speaker 2: About that secret payout to a female prisoner sexually assaulted
30:35
Speaker 2: by a transgender murderer biological man who was in a
30:40
Speaker 2: Victorian women's prison. After break, welcome back at News today.
30:48
Speaker 2: That Chris Bowen spent sixty thousand dollars on a phone
30:51
Speaker 2: bill just while he was at that climate conference last
30:55
Speaker 2: year is extraordinary. We'll get to that in a whole
30:59
Speaker 2: lot of other waste in a moment. But now to
31:01
Speaker 2: the ongoing fallout following revelations that the Allen Labor governing
31:05
Speaker 2: Victoria made a secret payout to a woman who was
31:08
Speaker 2: sexually assaulted by a transgender murderer who had been moved
31:12
Speaker 2: from a male prison to the minimum security women's one
31:16
Speaker 2: where it happened. Now sounds like a crime story, I
31:19
Speaker 2: assure you it's not. It is appalling, but the government's
31:22
Speaker 2: yet to offer any formal comment other than some flimsy
31:26
Speaker 2: words from the Minister for Children, who was rolled out
31:28
Speaker 2: to the cameras on Friday.
31:32
Speaker 7: I won't get into the specificities of individual cases.
31:34
Speaker 3: I don't do that in my own portfolio.
31:36
Speaker 7: I certainly won't do it in other people's portfolios.
31:40
Speaker 2: She just squirmed and squirmed and squirmed, no detail whatsoever
31:44
Speaker 2: joining me now. Rachel Wong, Chief executive Officer of Women's
31:47
Speaker 2: Forum Australia. Rachel, there's so many elements to this issue.
31:54
Speaker 2: Let's just start with the first one, the instance of
31:57
Speaker 2: finding out that there was obviously confirmation of sexual assault
32:02
Speaker 2: from a biological man against a female prisoner in a
32:06
Speaker 2: women's prison, and that we know it happened because there
32:10
Speaker 2: was a payment by taxpayers and it's been kept secret.
32:14
Speaker 3: We obviously know about it.
32:15
Speaker 2: Now, what can you tell us in terms of detail
32:17
Speaker 2: beyond that?
32:21
Speaker 7: Well, comen obviously Peter We just found out about this
32:24
Speaker 7: on Friday, and we found out with the rest of
32:28
Speaker 7: the country that the Victorian Labor government seems to have
32:30
Speaker 7: been hiding this instance of sexual assault for the last
32:33
Speaker 7: four years from the general public. What's particularly concerning is
32:39
Speaker 7: that we have been advocating with this government for four
32:41
Speaker 7: years since we found out that a sex offender has
32:43
Speaker 7: been housed in the Dame plus Frost Women's Prison, and
32:47
Speaker 7: again last year as well with another sex offender, and
32:50
Speaker 7: the entire time the government has been saying, you know,
32:52
Speaker 7: nothing to see here, no problems, etc. And this entire
32:56
Speaker 7: time they've known about the sex offender. Sorry this well,
32:59
Speaker 7: this a sex offend, this person who's this man who's
33:02
Speaker 7: committed sexual assault against this swim in this prison and
33:05
Speaker 7: so we don't have any further details of the payout.
33:09
Speaker 7: Why it's been kept secret is beyond me. Why there
33:12
Speaker 7: hasn't been transparency and accountability, Why it's taken four years
33:16
Speaker 7: for this woman to receive any form of justice, and
33:18
Speaker 7: why there hasn't been any criminal prosecution assumingly of this case,
33:23
Speaker 7: I'm not sure.
33:26
Speaker 2: And what I understand too, the perpetrator of the sexual
33:30
Speaker 2: assault is a murderer convicted murderer, and the murderer was
33:35
Speaker 2: placed in a women's prison which was medium sorry minimum
33:40
Speaker 2: minimum security. That staggers me is that because when they
33:45
Speaker 2: decided they were transgender, that they were a woman, that
33:50
Speaker 2: was the only available prison for them or available bed
33:53
Speaker 2: for them. I'm not sure we can't get that sort
33:56
Speaker 2: of detail. But where is this individual now? Are they
34:00
Speaker 2: still behind bars given they've been convicted of murder?
34:04
Speaker 3: What do we know? Rachel?
34:07
Speaker 7: My understanding is that they went out on parole in
34:11
Speaker 7: twenty and twenty four from the reporting that occurred on Friday,
34:16
Speaker 7: but and that they were moved to a male prison
34:19
Speaker 7: after the assault that happened in two thousand and twenty two.
34:25
Speaker 7: But what's quite interesting is that this assault was actually
34:28
Speaker 7: reported on in the Age back in October, I think
34:31
Speaker 7: October twenty twenty two, and at that time it said
34:34
Speaker 7: that the allegation to be made that hadn't been substantiated
34:39
Speaker 7: and the case hadn't gone further any forward. And so
34:42
Speaker 7: I'm not quite sure what's happened between then and now
34:44
Speaker 7: for this stead finally been addressed by the government and
34:48
Speaker 7: for this woman to finally have received some form of justice.
34:51
Speaker 7: But things are very very murky when it comes to
34:54
Speaker 7: this case, and I think that the Victorian government has
34:56
Speaker 7: a lot of questions to answer.
35:00
Speaker 2: Give us a sense of what's happening around the country
35:01
Speaker 2: in relation to biological men in women's prison, what do
35:05
Speaker 2: we know in other states?
35:08
Speaker 7: So last year there were a lot of revelations that
35:11
Speaker 7: came out around the country on this issue. In South Australia,
35:15
Speaker 7: there has been multiple allegations now of sexual assault against
35:18
Speaker 7: a transientified male offender who had been housed in a
35:21
Speaker 7: women's prison in Adelaide. Those stories are obviously horrific and
35:27
Speaker 7: that is part of the reason that the Victorian government
35:30
Speaker 7: actually finally committed, after dodging the question for years, to
35:35
Speaker 7: update its policy, which obviously hasn't been done adequately. And
35:39
Speaker 7: so that South Australia New South Wales they have also
35:44
Speaker 7: in the past about men and women's prisons. Apparently now
35:47
Speaker 7: they are saying they don't do that, and yet their
35:49
Speaker 7: corrections policy hasn't been updated to reflect that.
35:52
Speaker 3: Same goes to Queensland.
35:54
Speaker 7: We don't know of any male prisons that have actually
35:55
Speaker 7: been housed in women's prisons there. The government recently said
35:59
Speaker 7: that it would not be transferring a male murderer who
36:03
Speaker 7: requested to be transferred to Worman's prison because he's transitioning.
36:05
Speaker 7: But again their policy hasn't been updated to reflect that.
36:08
Speaker 7: The only state that really is taking leadership on this
36:11
Speaker 7: issue is the Northern Territory, which last year, after we
36:15
Speaker 7: wrote to them and the rest of the leaders around
36:16
Speaker 7: the country and after the revelations in South Australia, they
36:19
Speaker 7: put an immediate ban on male afindism women's prisons.
36:24
Speaker 2: Right, I'll leave it there, I'll have it there, We'll
36:26
Speaker 2: come back to this is who I am. Sure, Thank you, Rachel,
36:28
Speaker 2: thank you all when you do to highlight this issue
36:30
Speaker 2: just quickly.
36:31
Speaker 3: I'm the Liberals in Victoria.
36:32
Speaker 2: Jess Wilson had this response to this issue on fine
36:35
Speaker 2: I have a listen.
36:36
Speaker 6: Under a government that I lead, a biological male who
36:40
Speaker 6: has been convicted of sexual offenses or serious violent crime
36:44
Speaker 6: will not be in a female prisoner in a female prison,
36:47
Speaker 6: putting female prisoners at risk.
36:50
Speaker 2: Now, that was a bit unnerved by the qualification there
36:53
Speaker 2: that it had to be a serious offense or a
36:55
Speaker 2: sexual offense.
36:56
Speaker 3: We've gone back to her office.
36:57
Speaker 2: Her line now is our prisons must be safe places.
37:01
Speaker 2: Therefore no biological mail will be placed in a female
37:05
Speaker 2: prison under a liberal national government. That's it, full stop,
37:09
Speaker 2: end of story, regardless it would appear of the conviction
37:13
Speaker 2: or right quick break after the break. The mess that
37:16
Speaker 2: is our economy and the differing stories we're getting from
37:20
Speaker 2: the Treasurer and the RBA government. Where you thought Chris
37:28
Speaker 2: Byen spending sixty thousand dollars on his phone bill is
37:32
Speaker 2: a bit rich? How about fifty thousand dollars to carpet
37:35
Speaker 2: one room in parliament Housing Canberra. Goodness me, let's get
37:40
Speaker 2: into economic issues and budget issues, because on Friday, during
37:43
Speaker 2: a parliamentary hearing, the Reserve Bank Governor was forced to
37:46
Speaker 2: admit that public spending was in fact contributing to resurgent inflation.
37:52
Speaker 4: Mathematically, you're right, public demand, expenditure and private sector all
37:58
Speaker 4: of that adds to demand. That's logical, is mathematical, That's
38:02
Speaker 4: what happens.
38:03
Speaker 8: I want to talk about the Treasurer's words, not your words.
38:05
Speaker 4: Well, I don't have a view on the Treasurer's words.
38:09
Speaker 4: Fiscal policy decisions are decisions for the government and the Parliament.
38:13
Speaker 4: They are not for the Reserve Bank of Australia.
38:17
Speaker 2: Now, for his part, the treasure is still persisting with
38:20
Speaker 2: the line that our economic reality is somehow a partisan attack.
38:26
Speaker 1: You said government spinning was not a factor in the decision.
38:29
Speaker 8: Was it a factor?
38:31
Speaker 12: Well, David, our political opponents and their acolytes deliberately and
38:35
Speaker 12: dishonestly trying to conflate two different things.
38:41
Speaker 2: Joining me now someone who is an expert, former Treasury
38:43
Speaker 2: Assistant Secretary David Pearl. David, welcome to the program. A
38:48
Speaker 2: first up, my viewers are looking to.
38:50
Speaker 3: You to cut through the spin.
38:52
Speaker 2: Give me your take on the inflation spike, the lines
38:57
Speaker 2: we heard from the governor there under oath in the hearing,
39:00
Speaker 2: and the commentary from the Treasurer when the fingers pointed
39:03
Speaker 2: at him.
39:06
Speaker 3: Thanks very much, Peter Well.
39:07
Speaker 9: The inflation spike was partly due to the premature cashwrat
39:13
Speaker 9: cuts we saw last year, the last of which was
39:15
Speaker 9: only in August, a very short time ago. That did
39:18
Speaker 9: fuel the surge in private demand we saw late last year.
39:23
Speaker 9: But equally, Jim Charmer's inability to rein in spending is
39:29
Speaker 9: absolutely contributing to inflation on the demand side, obviously, but
39:34
Speaker 9: also on the supply side, as the government bids resources
39:38
Speaker 9: from the more productive private sector. Now, for Jim Chalmers
39:42
Speaker 9: to slur Australian economists with the term acolyte is appalling.
39:49
Speaker 9: Does he think that the laws of economics were drafted
39:52
Speaker 9: by the Liberal CARTI headquarters is a very narrow labor
39:55
Speaker 9: party creature. Indeed, if he thinks that's the case, And
40:00
Speaker 9: after Michelle Bullock's comments on Friday, he'd have to say
40:03
Speaker 9: that she too is anacolite of Liberal Party.
40:08
Speaker 2: Well, the interesting thing, of course, you're referencing a whole
40:11
Speaker 2: lot of expert economists. He is not an economist, Jim Charmers,
40:15
Speaker 2: and you don't tend to always hunt in packs economists.
40:20
Speaker 2: And there is almost universal commentary. Now in some cases
40:25
Speaker 2: it's sheer warning about the government spending, debt to GDP
40:30
Speaker 2: and the fact that our debt and I think I've
40:31
Speaker 2: got it there for the screen twenty two to twenty six,
40:34
Speaker 2: the budget forecast were exceeding at trillion dollars of debt.
40:37
Speaker 2: Government spending is just under eight hundred billion. Almost every
40:41
Speaker 2: one of the big budget measures, just think of snowy
40:44
Speaker 2: two point zero is a good one way over time,
40:47
Speaker 2: way over budget. Huge increases in public servants and not
40:52
Speaker 2: just public servant growth but the growth in government related
40:57
Speaker 2: industries and entities, as even Joel Fit's given, a former
41:01
Speaker 2: labor man, was saying last week, is crowding out the
41:04
Speaker 2: labor market in terms of public sector access. And all
41:09
Speaker 2: we hear about is tax reform, which means tax hikes
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Speaker 2: and nothing, David, nothing at all about productivity.
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Speaker 9: Well, let me get back to spending. I appeared on
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Speaker 9: your program the day of my I phone. I said
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Speaker 9: to you at the time that Australia was experiencing an
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Speaker 9: inflation crisis and Charmers was pouring fuel on the flame.
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Speaker 9: So Charmers, the argument about whether it's more private or
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Speaker 9: more public is beside the point. Jim Charmers controls the
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Speaker 9: fiscal policy lever, Michelle Bullock and her border pulling the
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Speaker 9: monetary policy lever. If he doesn't cut spending, we'll have
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Speaker 9: higher interest rates for longer and unemployment will go up further.
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Speaker 9: All you have to know, and all your listeners have
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Speaker 9: to know, is that Jim Charmers in my iPhone announced
41:54
Speaker 9: that real spending growth would be four point five percent
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Speaker 9: this financial year, or in nominal terms nine percent.
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Speaker 2: All right, explain to my viewers that this information today
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Speaker 2: that the Australian National Audited Officers saying we're not getting
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Speaker 2: enough from departments in terms of their oversight of what
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Speaker 2: they spend. And we're talking about nearly nine hundred billion
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Speaker 2: dollars here, billion billion dollars. We're not getting enough response
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Speaker 2: from them to assure that the taxpayer that what we
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Speaker 2: spend as a government is value for money. Whise is
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Speaker 2: the concern.
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Speaker 3: Were?
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Speaker 9: There are two things there, Peter. One, Treasury and the
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Speaker 9: Department of Finance traditionally held the physical rains and limited
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Speaker 9: spending proposals coming up to Expendit Review Committee. That's no
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Speaker 9: longer the case under Stephen Kennedy and now Jenny Wilkinson.
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Speaker 9: In fact, Kennedy and Wilkinson, you might recall Peter authored
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Speaker 9: the job Keeper program, which paid up to thirty eight
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Speaker 9: billion dollars to firms that did not suffer a decline
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Speaker 9: in turnover during the pandemic. And they occupy the two
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Speaker 9: most senior positions in the public service. So the rot
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Speaker 9: starts from the top in the public service. Nobody's career
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Speaker 9: is threatened by a cost overrun or a poor supervision
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Speaker 9: of a contract. Absolutely not.
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Speaker 2: I think that's probably where we think that's probably where
43:23
Speaker 2: we start. If we want to make reform, I've got
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Speaker 2: to leave it there. David Pearl, thank you, thank you.
43:28
Speaker 2: Or after break, you heard me talk about carpet fifty
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Speaker 2: thousand dollars. You heard me talk about that phone bill
43:34
Speaker 2: for Chris Bowen. Just wait, like I'm selling knives, there's
43:38
Speaker 2: more after break. Welcome back now for all that talk,
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Speaker 2: Labor's doing their best to manage spending your money and
43:52
Speaker 2: get rid of the waist.
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Speaker 3: Have a listen to this. The Greens party room.
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Speaker 2: This is a room, a single room in the Parliament
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Speaker 2: House building in Canberra. The renovation costs there have blown
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Speaker 2: out to two point two million dollars. This is for
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Speaker 2: a room, including some fifty thousand dollars on carpet.
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Speaker 3: Then the Department of Climate Change.
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Speaker 2: We've seen now what they spent heading off to that
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Speaker 2: conference last year, the UN conference in Brazil, one point
44:18
Speaker 2: six million dollars there to send thirty two bureaucrats to
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Speaker 2: South America. Let's bring into my panel now, Sky News
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Speaker 2: contributor Jamie Rodgers and One Nation Chief of Staff James Ashby. Well, James,
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Speaker 2: not just all of that. I made mention a bit earlier.
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Speaker 2: Chris Bowen's phone bill just for the time he was
44:37
Speaker 2: at that conference in Brazil's an incredible sixty thousand dollars.
44:43
Speaker 2: I mean, these clowns are taking the proverbia, aren't they.
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Speaker 11: Oh yeah, this is just further proof proof they don't
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Speaker 11: care that it's your money they're spending and they think
44:53
Speaker 11: they're entitled to do it if it was your I, Peter,
44:55
Speaker 11: I know when I travel overseas, you can pay the
44:58
Speaker 11: ten dollars per day for Global Ram. There's no way
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Speaker 11: you and I would end up with a sixty thousand
45:03
Speaker 11: dollar bill. And if we did, we'd be calling the
45:05
Speaker 11: company straight away to deal with it, or the onbudsmen
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Speaker 11: to help fix it. But this is a government that
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Speaker 11: don't care. It's not just Chris bow And it's Annika Wells.
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Speaker 11: We saw prior to Christmas she got off fairly lightly
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Speaker 11: because we had that terrorist attack in Bondi, because she
45:20
Speaker 11: was on the hook for all this unnecessary spending. I'm
45:22
Speaker 11: building a house at the moment, which is two hundred
45:24
Speaker 11: and forty square meters. It's less than half the cost
45:28
Speaker 11: of doing up a meeting room for the Greens. Something's
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Speaker 11: not right.
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Speaker 8: This is a.
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Speaker 11: Government that just is recklessly spending our money and that
45:36
Speaker 11: is why we're paying over sixty million dollars a day
45:39
Speaker 11: in interest on money we owe financial markets right across
45:43
Speaker 11: the globe. As a government, it's just disgraceful and disgusting
45:47
Speaker 11: and one nation. We would not be doing this if
45:49
Speaker 11: we had control.
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Speaker 2: It's not as federal labored state labor too, Jamie. Victoria,
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Speaker 2: the government's going to spend forty million dollars to fight
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Speaker 2: a class action bought by a whole lot of businesses
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Speaker 2: who were hit hard by COVID. At the same time
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Speaker 2: we've learned that Labour's going to pay the new chairs
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Speaker 2: of its Indigenous People's Assembly are whopping three hundred and
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Speaker 2: fifty thousand dollars each in a salary. And let's not
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Speaker 2: forget when that People's Assembly was elected. I'll say this
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Speaker 2: loosely in twenty nineteen, only seven percent of those eligible
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Speaker 2: Indigenous people in Victoria even voted. And it's going to
46:29
Speaker 2: cost taxpayers in a busted, broken state like Victoria six
46:34
Speaker 2: million a year to run.
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Speaker 13: It's just outrageous, isn't it, Peter. And when you look
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Speaker 13: at the breakdown of those salaries you mentioned, the co
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Speaker 13: chairs will be receiving three hundred and fifty thousand dollars each,
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Speaker 13: but the other members, they'll be thirty three in total,
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Speaker 13: and they're all going to be receiving similar pay to
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Speaker 13: what current voted in MPs are going to be receiving.
46:57
Speaker 13: And do you know what else that caught my eye
46:59
Speaker 13: when I was eating about this ridiculous salary. They don't
47:03
Speaker 13: even necessarily have to work full time. It's up to
47:05
Speaker 13: them to decide how many hours they're going to work.
47:08
Speaker 13: So the beginning these huge salaries and it's not even
47:11
Speaker 13: clear if they're going to be working full time. Plus
47:13
Speaker 13: they'll also be allowed to have another job if they
47:16
Speaker 13: want to. The caveat is they can't work for another
47:18
Speaker 13: government organization or foreign MP. It's absolutely outrageous. And considering
47:23
Speaker 13: his well, Peter Victoria voted no for the voice referendum
47:27
Speaker 13: and now just Interbellen thinks that this is a priority
47:29
Speaker 13: over things like the ballooning deficit that Victoria is facing,
47:33
Speaker 13: the crime ambulances. You could have been buying some more
47:36
Speaker 13: ambulances for your state. It's just a joke.
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Speaker 2: And then to add insult to injury, you know, their
47:43
Speaker 2: plan to deal with debt is not to stop wasting
47:46
Speaker 2: our money, James in camera. They're going to sell off
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Speaker 2: all these defense assets. They'll reap in gross terms about
47:54
Speaker 2: three billion, but they say it's going to cost them
47:57
Speaker 2: about one and a half to sell them, so well
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Speaker 2: only makers taxpayers one point five and that one point
48:04
Speaker 2: five doesn't include all the remediation works that you and
48:06
Speaker 2: I know, like asbestos remediation for example, before they even
48:11
Speaker 2: go to market. So they'll sell them off, and I
48:14
Speaker 2: don't reckon the taxpayers get any money at all.
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Speaker 11: No, very little of it will. I'd love to know
48:21
Speaker 11: what the commission is. They're going to have to pay
48:23
Speaker 11: one of those corporate entities to.
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Speaker 8: Help broker the deal as well.
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Speaker 11: Look, this is a government that is desperate to spend
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Speaker 11: other people's money, and when they run out of it,
48:32
Speaker 11: they then start either taxing more or they sell off things.
48:35
Speaker 11: Now they're also a government that has criticized previous governments
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Speaker 11: of conservative milk who have sold off power stations or
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Speaker 11: power grids, that sort of thing, and here they are
48:45
Speaker 11: selling off defense land. There's almost seventy of these sites
48:48
Speaker 11: they want to get rid of, and again it's going
48:52
Speaker 11: to be pitdled up against a brick ball because it
48:54
Speaker 11: won't go to good decent things. They won't reinvest it
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Speaker 11: back into defense, and what is left is a drop
49:01
Speaker 11: on the bucket really compared to what should be put
49:04
Speaker 11: into defense. Look, it's a ridiculous thing. I think this
49:08
Speaker 11: government they would sell off Parliament House to a sovereign
49:10
Speaker 11: wealth management fund if they could, and they'd rent it
49:12
Speaker 11: back just for the extra cash. It's a bad, bad decision.
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Speaker 11: One nation do not support the sell off of any
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Speaker 11: of our defense land.
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Speaker 3: They'd probably just give it away to the Chinese.
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Speaker 2: Let's be honest, would be kidding ourselves if they're going
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Speaker 2: to do anything else. Chinese might get it anyway. The
49:29
Speaker 2: way we're going, I'm very depressing night. I've got to
49:31
Speaker 2: leave it there. Sorry, Jamian, amount of time, but we'll
49:33
Speaker 2: go first to you next week.
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Speaker 3: See you both. Then.
49:36
Speaker 2: That's it for me, Taya. It's a sorry stated things,
49:39
Speaker 2: isn't it in Canberra. Let's hope we have some better
49:43
Speaker 2: news sooner rather later for the Liverpool Party and the center.
49:45
Speaker 3: Right of this country. All right, that's it for me.
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Speaker 3: Andrew's up mixed