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S5 EP22 - Small Town. Brutal Crimes. The Athens Murder Case- Clinton Bankston Jr · True Crime and Wine Time

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  Speaker 1: you tell us what we will be covering tonight.
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  Speaker 2: Tonight, we will be covering the case of five brutal
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  Speaker 2: murders that change the social landscape of Athens, Georgia in
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  Speaker 2: nineteen eighty seven. As a former Athenian, this was my
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  Speaker 2: formative true crime case. So I hope I can do
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  Speaker 2: a justice.
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  Speaker 1: I've learned about with this. That's a This is a
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  Speaker 1: formative case. Indeed, Oh my, you know, I actually hadn't
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  Speaker 1: heard of this case before, so I am very excited
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  Speaker 1: to cover it. It's gonna be a wild ride, So
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  Speaker 1: buckle up because as I was reading things, I was
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  Speaker 1: putting little emoji reactions as I was reading, like what
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  Speaker 1: the whole time. So I think you guys will like
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  Speaker 1: the story the cabin. What are you drinking tonight?
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know, I like to stay on the theme
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  Speaker 2: when I can, so I couldn't resist a classic city
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  Speaker 2: lagger from Athen's own Creature Comforts Brewery. They describe it
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  Speaker 2: as clean, crisp, easy drinking, and I'm inclined to agree.
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  Speaker 2: I got it for the name, but I will definitely
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  Speaker 2: of the Dogs. Oh w sorry, Lady and Gray, It's
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  Speaker 1: bring your friends. Well you guys, And I'm drinking one
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  Speaker 1: of the many bottles of wine ELBOWTHI got me for
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  Speaker 1: our thirteen year anniversary this week. That's right, it's been
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  Speaker 1: thirteen long years. I'm just kidding.
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  Speaker 2: Now you do it.
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  Speaker 1: You met him? You met him? Well, I'm just kidding.
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  Speaker 1: I love his face. He's amazing. But so tonight I
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  Speaker 1: have a bottle of bay Bridge Mescado which has a
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  Speaker 1: cork and everything. So you know, we fancy tonight, said
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  Speaker 1: in my normal twisty screwcap. And I would say it
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  Speaker 1: has a description, but we're not that fancy. It just
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  Speaker 1: is what it is. But and you know, I must
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  Speaker 1: say I enjoy it. So that's great. And so with that,
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  Speaker 1: let's get into the story of the Affin murders of
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  Speaker 1: nineteen eighty seven. We're in the eighties again.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my, back to the eighties. So who here had
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  Speaker 2: a local mystery that spread like an urban legend when
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  Speaker 2: they were a kid. So the one house you weren't
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  Speaker 2: supposed to go to the street, you wouldn't be too
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  Speaker 2: loud on and then everyone tells a slightly different version
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  Speaker 2: of the story.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Well, when Little Capin moved to Athens, Georgia in nineteen
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  Speaker 2: ninety two, there was this one house on my school
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  Speaker 2: bus route. It was right near a fun little area
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  Speaker 2: called Normal Town, and it was the prettiest house on
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  Speaker 2: the street, just like a whole different bribe than all
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  Speaker 2: the others. Little mosaic of a ship over the front door.
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  Speaker 2: And when I ask people, they told me not to
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  Speaker 2: ask about it. That's the murder house, they said, So
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  Speaker 2: we all know why we're here, right, this tell a
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  Speaker 2: girl not to ask questions.
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  Speaker 1: So I mean we're not those girls anyway. Formative afformative,
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god, cause you I couldn't imagine being like
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  Speaker 1: on'm a school buys every day being like, oh, people
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  Speaker 1: died there. I know, babe, I know. It is always
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  Speaker 1: the worst. Scratched at the door. I heard her. Just
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  Speaker 1: go put her in the room with you. Sorry, sorry,
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  Speaker 1: it's Queen Zoe wanting to make her appearance in my life.
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  Speaker 1: Like every live I do, every.
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  Speaker 2: Day, it is all about Zoe.
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  Speaker 1: It is it is you met her, she lives. There
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  Speaker 1: was Keita flying by, like, oh it's me, It's me,
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  Speaker 1: did you say pets, I'm here? Oh gosh. All right,
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  Speaker 1: So before we get into the horrific content of this case,
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  Speaker 1: we need to set the stage now. Who is familiar
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  Speaker 1: with Athens, Georgia that is not Greece, But also for me,
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  Speaker 1: the answer is no to both. I also know we
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  Speaker 1: have some Southerners in the chat. Some of my besties
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  Speaker 1: are Southerners. Because I love you guys, I.
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  Speaker 2: Probably all hate Georgia.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, well, if you are familiar with it, it's nicknamed
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  Speaker 1: the classic city, hence Captain's Betbridge for the evening Oh
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  Speaker 1: look at that Girl's always on theme. And there are
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  Speaker 1: a couple of stand out things about it. The first
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  Speaker 1: is is that it's home of the University of Georgia.
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  Speaker 1: Go Dogs, And the second is the music. For decades,
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  Speaker 1: Athens has been a hotbed of alternative music, spawning bands
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  Speaker 1: like the B fifty two's Rim, Widespread Panic, and literally
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  Speaker 1: too many to list right now, which I did not
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  Speaker 1: know that and that was such a fun to learn.
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  Speaker 2: It's still happening. I mean, it is like generally a
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  Speaker 2: very specific kind of alternative music. But you know, it
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  Speaker 2: was very fun to grow up there. So Athens was
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  Speaker 2: not only like a traditional Southern college town, but it
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  Speaker 2: also had this like bohemian mecca going on for the Southeast.
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  Speaker 2: And as author Grace Hale wrote in her book Cool
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  Speaker 2: Town about Athens in the eighties, we longed to send
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  Speaker 2: our yap over the rooftops of the world too, to
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  Speaker 2: live for music and art and sex, to be daring
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  Speaker 2: and original and important. Why the hell not. We did
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  Speaker 2: not want to be rednecks or racists or conservative Christians,
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  Speaker 2: or live in subdivisions or work as mental managers. We
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  Speaker 2: dreamed not of the Reagan eras sun Belt, but of
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  Speaker 2: a different world, a new, new new South. And in
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  Speaker 2: the university's libraries and archives and studios and galleries and
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  Speaker 2: concert halls and the town's old buildings, we found resources
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  Speaker 2: to try to make that world a reality. Sounds awesome,
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  Speaker 2: that's awesome that I will say. That picture is like
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  Speaker 2: quite a lot a group of weird white people.
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  Speaker 1: That picture is a lot of personality. So this was
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  Speaker 1: a small, affordable town where you can get a great
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  Speaker 1: education and see the B fifty two's play for Free,
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  Speaker 1: I mean amazing. And it's a place where people felt
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  Speaker 1: safe and often left their doors unlocked. And if you've
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  Speaker 1: been in true crime enough. You know, places leeve, their
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  Speaker 1: doors unlocked, not great, and then that all changed one
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  Speaker 1: morning in nineteen eighty seven. Buckle up, guys.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. On the morning of April twenty fifth, nineteen eighty seven,
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  Speaker 2: the Athens Clark County Police were called to six forty
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  Speaker 2: nine Oglethorpe Avenue. That's the big yellow house on the
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  Speaker 2: corner of Oglethorpe and Sunset. William or Billy Sutton was
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  Speaker 2: living in Las Vegas working for the EPA, and hadn't
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  Speaker 2: been able to reach his elderly parents, Glenn and Rachel Sutton,
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  Speaker 2: for days at eighty two and seventy eight, respectively. They
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  Speaker 2: were both retired and they didn't get out of the
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  Speaker 2: house much. He'd asked a neighbor to pop by, but
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  Speaker 2: they'd had no luck in contacting the couple.
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  Speaker 3: Ugh.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, I don't like this. That house is so gorgeous,
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  Speaker 1: you guys, we're both going to be obsessed with it.
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  Speaker 2: Good on line, but also one of these days, I
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  Speaker 2: want to do a case where it starts like this
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  Speaker 2: and then it's like everything was fine.
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  Speaker 1: Everything was well. I don't think we'd be in business
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  Speaker 1: if that was the case. It was fine. They just
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  Speaker 1: fill us.
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  Speaker 2: They were on vacation.
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  Speaker 1: It's fine, it's fine. That bad smell just the fridge
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  Speaker 1: went out, that's all. Don't worry about it. Everything is fine. Well, unfortunately,
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  Speaker 1: that is not how this story goes, my friends. An
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  Speaker 1: officer knocked on the door, but no one responded. The
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  Speaker 1: blinds were closed, the curtains were pulled, and he asked,
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  Speaker 1: can you guys hear my son.
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  Speaker 2: Right now? I can't?
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  Speaker 1: You can?
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  Speaker 2: I cannot?
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  Speaker 1: Okay? All right, as long as you can't hear him,
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  Speaker 1: I can family hear him. I just I don't like him,
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  Speaker 1: you know, popping up on when I'm streaming or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: But as long as you guys can, okay. He has
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  Speaker 1: a very deep voice now, so like it. It carries
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  Speaker 1: all right? Where were we? I apologize? So the blinds
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  Speaker 1: were closed, the curtains were pulled, and he asked dispatch
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  Speaker 1: to contact local hospitals in case they'd been admitted, but
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  Speaker 1: there were no leads. He spoke to the gardener, who
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  Speaker 1: came every Saturday to care for the yard and sometimes
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  Speaker 1: help them with grocery shopping. He didn't know what was
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  Speaker 1: going on, and the officer asked Sergeant Lloyd Nash to
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  Speaker 1: come by that front door is amazing, right, mosaic.
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  Speaker 2: So the police reached out to Billy Sutton, who told
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  Speaker 2: them to break a window to get inside. The two
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  Speaker 2: officers used a neighbor's ladder to climb up and break
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  Speaker 2: into the second story of the house.
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  Speaker 1: I am a little perplexed. Why did they choose the
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  Speaker 1: second story window? I mean, that seems like unnecessary extra work.
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  Speaker 1: Well do we know?
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  Speaker 2: I don't. Yeah, because if there was nothing going on
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  Speaker 2: and there's breaking a window, it's harder for people to
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  Speaker 2: then break into the house afterwards. So theydn't want to
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  Speaker 2: like a ground floor window out for people to just
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  Speaker 2: come and go in. It is like a kind of
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  Speaker 2: a prominent intersection for the area at least. Okay, it's
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  Speaker 2: right on the route to high school.
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  Speaker 1: That makes sense. I guess I was just a little like,
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  Speaker 1: oh that I'm not doing that. But that's also a
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  Speaker 1: police officer, so.
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  Speaker 2: I thought it was kind of thoughtful of them. That is,
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  Speaker 2: you see that house, so you want to treat that
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  Speaker 2: house with respect.
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  Speaker 1: Right, And that's true. I do. I do so.
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  Speaker 2: Because I'm not kidding. I am obsessed with this house.
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  Speaker 2: My friends have heard me talk about this house before
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  Speaker 2: people say I don't want to live in a murder house.
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  Speaker 2: I say I do. I have one specifically I want
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  Speaker 2: to live in. So we're going to do a little
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  Speaker 2: house tour before things get too dark. Luckily we've got
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  Speaker 2: some pictures from the low so yeah, everything's brightened up.
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  Speaker 2: So this house was built circa nineteen twenty with over
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  Speaker 2: three thousand square feet, five bedrooms and three bathrooms.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: Between the kitchen and the dining room is a little
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  Speaker 2: narrow room called a butt learious pantry, which I might
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  Speaker 2: be mentioning for a reason, and a detached garage sits
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  Speaker 2: at the end of the driveway.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I must say it is a gorgeous, gorgeous property,
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  Speaker 1: that's for sure. And it looks like in the if
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  Speaker 1: there's are recent pictures, it looks like it's pretty like
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  Speaker 1: it's kept its history if you will some of the
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  Speaker 1: natural nooks and crannies. I love that we.
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  Speaker 2: Took out the carpet, which I think you will know
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  Speaker 2: why They left the kitchen floor as it was, which
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  Speaker 2: replexed me. But whoever whoever bought it then for at
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  Speaker 2: least half of the market value, hopefully has taken that
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  Speaker 2: money to redo that kitchen floor.
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  Speaker 1: Well, thank you on top X for the supersticker. Thank
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  Speaker 1: with a better line than that. It's been a long
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  Speaker 1: day for me. Okay, a long week, all right, but
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  Speaker 1: nobody cares about me. Now back to April twenty fifth,
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  Speaker 1: when the police climbed through a large window on the
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  Speaker 1: second floor. A search of the upstairs yielded nothing, but
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  Speaker 1: as they headed downstairs, they were confronted with an unmistakable odor.
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  Speaker 1: Following it through the dining room, the officers found the
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  Speaker 1: Suttons deceased in their butler's pantry, wrapped in a rug. Ugh,
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  Speaker 1: and just talked about that.
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  Speaker 2: Don't like it for shadowing. So who were Glenn and
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  Speaker 2: Rachel Sutton? According to a neighbor who was interviewed years later,
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  Speaker 2: they were very very private people. I lived there for
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  Speaker 2: six teen years, right behind them, and I never personally
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  Speaker 2: met them. They also owned several rental properties, but when
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  Speaker 2: questioned after the crimes, the tenants knew nothing about their landlords.
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  Speaker 1: And they may have been private people, but they made
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  Speaker 1: quite an impact on the community around them. Glenn Wallace
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  Speaker 1: Sutton was born July twenty fifth, nineteen oh four in Milan, Indiana.
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  Speaker 1: Not Italy, It's Indiana. He began working as an accountant
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  Speaker 1: at the age of eighteen, which is wild to me,
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  Speaker 1: and went on to earn his bachelor's and master's degree
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  Speaker 1: from the University of Indiana. He married Rachel Sibley in
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  Speaker 1: nineteen thirty and taught economics at Indiana and UGA during
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  Speaker 1: the Great Depression before returning to his own educational pursuits,
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  Speaker 1: earning his doctorate from the inescapable Ohio State University Cobucks.
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: Since we're doing that tonight, I guess.
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  Speaker 2: It's anyone going to get mad about. Oh, Amy, you're
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  Speaker 2: gonna get out. Oh you've got so many rivalries for
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  Speaker 2: us to all be friends. During World War Two, Glenn
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  Speaker 2: served in the US Naval Reserve, eventually retiring as a captain. Overall,
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  Speaker 2: he spent twenty six years at the University of Georgia,
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  Speaker 2: working as a finance professor, the chair of the Finance Division,
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  Speaker 2: and opening a school for World War Two veterans at
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  Speaker 2: an Army airfield in Savannah.
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  Speaker 1: This guy, these people are like amazing. By the way,
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  Speaker 1: I feel like garbage. When I read about things. I'm like, well,
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  Speaker 1: I have done nothing. I'm almost forty nothing. So cool. Cool. Now,
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  Speaker 1: in case you're wondering how do they get cool, here's
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  Speaker 1: some more. In nineteen fifty four, President Dwight Eisenhower appointed
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  Speaker 1: mister Sutton to the US Tariff Commission. Mister Sutton served
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  Speaker 1: as vice chairman from nineteen sixty six to nineteen sixty nine,
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  Speaker 1: and in nineteen sixty nine he was named head of
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  Speaker 1: the panel. Sorry by President Richard Nixon. Not great, but
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  Speaker 1: what are you going to do? Two years later, mister
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  Speaker 1: Sutton retired from the Commission to become a foreign trade consultant.
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  Speaker 2: It's amazing, yeah, he's I mean, it really is. And
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  Speaker 2: when I looked into it, it's like, because I read
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  Speaker 2: this with what's on the five right now, the interview
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  Speaker 2: with him in the Dwight Eisenhower Library, she talks about
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  Speaker 2: how he got into all this, what he specifically did
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  Speaker 2: and everything. It's very interesting if you really really care
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  Speaker 2: about this, which I do. But yet he just like
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  Speaker 2: helped a guy out in at Leana and then that
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  Speaker 2: guy ended up recommending him to be on like to
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  Speaker 2: the president. Like it just happened because he was a
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  Speaker 2: good guy and.
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  Speaker 1: Did good people. It'll get your places. Be good, be
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  Speaker 1: a good person.
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  Speaker 2: And his wife, doctor Rachel Sibley Sutton, was also very accomplished.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: She was also a professor at UGA. She taught in
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: and then eventually became the chairman of UGA's College of
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: Education's Elementary Education division for thirty nine years before retiring
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: with an emeritus title. So her long service is still
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: remembered with the Rachel Sibley Sutton Scholarship honoring her distinguished
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: career and leadership in elementary education. According to the College
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: of Education website.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: Just fascinating, extraordinary like life experiences and careers they both
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: had during the times that they lived, where especially from
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: his sudden m wasn't really something that women were known
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: to do for many of those years. But you know,
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: the couple was survived by their only child, William, who
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: also seemed to be as private as his parents. Oh.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: I was reading the book thing that we just had
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: on this screen there. I was like, Oh, did she
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: write the whole book?
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: Never mind, she did. She wrote a book, at least one,
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: at least one more than probably she was a professor,
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: that's true.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: So Sadly, we must get back to the day the
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: Sutton's bodies were discovered. We keep trying to avoid it,
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: but unfortunately we can't. It was a saturday in a
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: small police form force, had to call in officers on
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: their days off. They left their families and fish fries
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: and arrived at a really horrific scene.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: So we are going to be showing you crime scene
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: photos today, so let's go ahead and drop that trigger warning. Please.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: Nobody's but lots of it all the same.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: That's true. And their nineteen eighties photograph, so it's not
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: like they're like, you know, in four K or something crazy.
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: But still no, and I don't I don't even think
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: the really bad ones are available, but you know it's YouTube.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: Still gotta be careful. So this is nineteen eighty seven,
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: So when we think about a crime scene, we need
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: to remember that while they got fingerprints, that was the
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: only kind of forensic evidence available. There's no DNA, there's
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: no carpet fibers. Fingerprints were the only thing they were
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: working with.
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, forensic files doesn't even come out for
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: a couple more years with the groundbreaking new technology that
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: is DNA. Sorry, that's a joke between me and Albofe
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: because they say that in every single episode of Forensic Files. Now,
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: the bodies had been moved into the butler's pantry and
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: narrow space between the dining room and the kitchen and
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: rolled up in a rug. Glenn Sutton had been stabbed
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: multiple times with something large and his throat was slit.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: Rachel was partially inside of a plastic garment bag and
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: also stabbed multiple times. It was an incredibly senseless and
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: violent attack on this elderly couple. Floors downstairs were stained
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: and had been poorly mopped, and an empty Windysburger wrapper
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: lay on the kitchen counter. All of the doors were
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: locked and dead bolted. Now, guess this is when it
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: gets really weird. The weapon was recovered and an African
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: spear was was it? And it had been displayed in
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: their home. A freaking spear, you guys, a freaking African spear.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: That was my first like, what when learning about this? Oh,
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: my gosh, it's certainly the first case I've ever heard
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: of of an African spear being used as a murder weapon.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: And you know, also, when you think about the couple
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: being stabbed multiple times each with it like, that's pretty
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: horrific when when you think about it, that's that's bad.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's it sounds just awkward too physically because
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: there there were other options around, but he went for
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: this beer.
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: A window was broken in the garage and a neighbor
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: said it hadn't been broken the night before, but both
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: of the Suttons cars were there. One was dented on
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: the back bumper and the trunk was packed with bloody evidence,
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: rugs and rags used to clean, as well as women's shoes, clothing,
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: and some jewelry. A tree near the garage showed signs
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: of damage as well.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: So weird, you guys. Basically, it looks like whoever did
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: this loaded the car but couldn't figure out how to
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: drive it. Stupid They driven it forward into the wall
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: of the garage and then backed into a tree. So
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: we're looking for a barbaric dumbass apparently, So here we
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: are so great.
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: So between the attempt at cleaning up and disposing of evidence,
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: the fast food wrapper and the broken garage window, which
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: we know happened days after the murders, it was likely
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: to the believes that the perpetrator had spent some time
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: at the home after killing the Suttons. They estimated their
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: day of death as April twenty second, which was also
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: the last time a neighborhood seen them, three days before
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: the bodies were discovered.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the instinct was naturally to follow the money. We're
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: in true crime. We know that's usually the case, right,
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: But the Suttons inheritance would go to their only son,
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: and he wasn't a suspect. He'd been in Las Vegas
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: and had looked the police in Originally, the first lead
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: they found was a young woman who had seen a
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: man in the back driveway putting something in the trunk
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: of the car. She described him as a young man
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: Hispanic or maybe a light skinned black complexion. They made
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: a sketch based on her memory of that faraway young
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: man and tracked down the one Hispanic member of a
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: team of painters who had recently worked at the house,
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: but after he willingly gave fingerprints that didn't match, they
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: had a sketch and no suspects. And I wish you
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: all could have seen our producer Amos down in the
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: corner of my high like, what.
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: Is this sketch? Are you unhappy with this catch? Jamie.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: The sketch actually was a problem because they got so
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: many of calls from people being like, it kind of
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: looks like this.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: I think the angle of the hair is not great,
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: but I will say that this is pretty good. I mean,
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: I don't think it necessarily looks like I'm not saying
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: it looks like who we're gonna say. I'm just saying
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: I've seen some police composite sketches that are like, wow, Thomas,
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: what Yes? In case you're so wondering, is in fact
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: elbow FET's YouTube picture still.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: I was wondering if he might change it for this,
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: but I.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: Don't even know if he's listening, so probably not.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: Guy, I don't know.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: That's a picture.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: That can be for his like catfish account, because I
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: feel like this looks like I don't know, ibek, it
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: looks like who we're gonna. It doesn't look like him
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: we're gonna. I should have had picture back at the
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: end to compare. But okay, So they have plenty of
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: evidence but no idea as to who could have done
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: it or why. And this was the huge unthinkable news
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: in a town like Athens, people finally started locking their doors.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: It's probably just a good idea. In general, a local
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: security alarm business saw their demand quickly double and people
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: started using like panic alarm buttons. People were just scared
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: in general, and if something this brutal could happen to
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: the Suttons, it could happen to anyone.
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: The police couldn't share much info about the crime, but
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: in a small town, GUSIP is going to spread, perhaps
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: trying to ease some local minds. When local crime journalist
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: Wayne Ford asked police if they thought the killer would
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: strike again, the officer replied no. Now, I get it.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: I get they don't want to scare the public more
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: than they probably already are. But this clearly was some
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: sort of robbery as well, and I feel like the
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: police dropped the ball big time, big time.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: I think they did not know, like they had never
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: had to deal with something like this before, so they
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: were trying they By July nineteen eighty seven, the Athene
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: Clark County Police had had reportedly questioned three hundred people
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: in relation to the case. I mean, there's reports of
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: them finding a Kinko's bag in mister Sutton's house and
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: asked like questioning the Kinko's manager. They tried everything they
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: could put together, but unfortunately the break they needed came
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: a month later, and at the cost of three women's lives.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: So let's find out who they were before we address
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: how their lives ended.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: Yes, and also before we do that, I would like
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: to address why is Athens not capitalized on the police cruiser?
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: Does it bother anybody else? Because it bothers me. It
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: bothers me, That's all I'm saying.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: I think that this is like, no, this is eighties,
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: actually say eight yeah, because I started not capitalizing I
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: think in Athens. I don't think it was.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: It's enormous.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: I could have to do with the police. For me,
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: it was E. Cummings related.
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: But I'm sorry emotion to scream because she's like, well,
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: now that bothers me.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: Sorry, okay, I mean that does have a nice vintage
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: look to it.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean it should. It's nineteen eighty seven. My goodness, gosh,
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: cars were boats back then. Oh my, all right, So
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: let's do address though the next next set of victims here.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: So Anne or Morris was a world renowned craftswoman. She
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: was born in Athens in nineteen twenty four. And grew
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: up in the cars Hill area, which historically was on
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: the outskirts of town where the railroad ended and the
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: stage coaches ferried travelers into Athens. Her father was a
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: landscape designer who curated their twenty eight acres into a
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: paradise of plants, both native and exotic. Her cousin was
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: a little lady named Flannery O'Connor, the most Irish sounding
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: name ever. Sorry, there's a fruitful. It's been tawning me
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: for days. I thought they would today. This one is
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: living forever.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: Sorry.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: Oh look at that? Do we have pictures there? Garden flagwer?
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: It sounds gorgeous.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: Unfortunately, know the pictures, Thanks you, Sad pictures of this
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: area were very limited.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: Is that a peacock?
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: I think they're ducks. It's Flannery O'Connor. If people are
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: not aware. Famous Southern author, short stories and novels, okay,
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: I wrote a good man. It's hard to find good
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: Christian people, and it's a lot of like turning around
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: your expectations.
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: Well.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: Anne attended UGA before heading to New York for an
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: apprenticeship in metalworking. Eager to learn, she eventually headed to
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: Oslo to learn enameling you are fascinating in this case
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: by the way, they really are.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: Just wow, they are and or Morris makes me like proud.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: She's a local Athens girl who got out there and
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: learned from some of the best in the business, and
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: then she brought it all home and when she did
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: move back to Athens, she continued to do her work,
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: but she also taught other local women her trade like
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: everything she had learned, which I just think is cool
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: and it's like teaching sharing your knowledge. But also I
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: think a real sense of fellowship happened there. So she
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: did marry her husband, Kenneth in nineteen sixty three, and
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: they had twins two years years later, and in nineteen
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: seventy two she was named the Classic Cities Woman of
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: the Year in arts. A memorial fund in her name
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: continues to enrich the lives of UGA art students through
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: a visiting artist program. Anne was sixty three when she
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: was murdered.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: Oh wow, that's amazing that that's still going on this
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: many decades later. She's a big SUESSI an impact, Like
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: that's that's amazing.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: She I mean, yeah, there's like the Smithsonian talk like
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: when looking at stuff about her. I love it.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes me even more angrier about what's gonna
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: what's gonna happen.
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: Anne was very close to her younger sister, Sally or Nathusen.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: Sally was born in nineteen twenty seven, three year years
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: after Anne, and she worked with the American Red Cross
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: in Germany and Hawaii, and in January of nineteen sixty
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: one she married an army doctor. They lived in Honolulu
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: for many years and raised their daughter, Helen Nathanson. In
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: the late seventies, Sally returned to Athens with Helen, and
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: Sally's husband seemed to be out of the picture at
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: that point.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: So my stay in Hawaii, I guess, I mean I
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: know that. Actually I found his obituary.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: Oh he died, oh well a while later.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: Oh okay, with a new wife. But he did he
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: mentioned Helen in his obituary. So things weren't, got it,
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: I guess, yeah, right during the way, things could have
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: gone okay. So both Anne and Sally had survived camp her,
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: but Sally had lost her larynx and spoke using like
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: an electro larynx. It became harder for people to understand her.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: She was naturally a little shy and frustrated about that,
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: but she was described by friends as sweet and funny.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: She and Anne both lived on their family's land and
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: cars Hill in separate homes, continuing in their father's tradition
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: of caring for plants. Sally was fifty nine when she
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: was murdered.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: Another amazing person in this story, now, Helen Nathanson lived
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: with her mother, Sally. She was born in Honolulu and
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: adopted by Sally and her husband, and she was studying
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: psychology at UGA. She was also working at Drug Emporium,
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: a large drug store a little west of campus. What
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: a wild name for what was David mean a drug
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: and Glorian? What a weird name for a pharmacy? I guess.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: Her coworkers there described her as calm and kind and
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: a joy to work with. Now Helen was only twenty
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: two when she was murdered. So when Helen didn't show
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: up for work on August fifteenth, her coworkers knew something
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: was off.
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Now, Kenneth Morris knew something was off too. His wife,
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: Anne Ara Morris had left her home early in the
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: morning to run errands and hadn't returned. He called the
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: police around nine forty PM to report her as missing.
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: He told the police she had been on her way
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: to the Trainer House, another historic piece of property affiliated
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: with her family. He thought she might be with that
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: since the two were so close.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: So Dispatch sent an officer to Sally and Helen Nathanson's
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: home that evening, also another gorgeous house. When Officer Huff arrived,
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: he noted that all of the lights in the house
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: were off and a green Pontiac parked at an odd
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: angle near the driveway. Kenneth Morris confirmed that it was
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: his sister in law's car. As he got closer, he
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: saw that the driver's window was down and the key
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: was in the ignition. Huff called for a backup from
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: a Sergeant Turner, and when he and Turner approached the house,
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: they found a woman face down in the grass. Anne
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: or Morris had gone to train her house to dig
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: up a plant. That's it, that's simple, and she brought
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: it to her sister's house to plant there. Unfortunately she
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: hadn't had the chance, so full disclosure.
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: Like I said before, there aren't many photos from this
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: crime scene, which is probably for the best given what
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: we're about to hear. Yes, so Anne was in the
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: lawn and had numerous head injuries. As Sergeant Turner wrote
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: in his report, a check showed no apparent signs of life.
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: Seeing this, Officer Huff was detailed to the front of
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: the house to secure it, and I took the back.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: We called for additional units to help secure the house.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: As we approached the rear of the house, the sliding
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: glass door was open, but a curtain was shut over
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: the doorway. We entered the house and were immediately confronted
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: with the second victim.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: The sliding glass door opened into Sally Nathanson's bedroom. She
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: was still in bed, with her nightgown pulled up to
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: her waist and with multiple head wounds. The phone cord
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: had been cut on the bedside table, and the mark
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: left in the table suggested it had been cut with
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: an axe. Now, two dogs were in the room, barking,
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: but they weren't aggressive. They were loose, but they wouldn't
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: leave Sally's side. Oh my little heart. The room was
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: a mess, but they had no way of knowing if
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: that was normal or if whoever attacked Sally and Nan
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: had torn up the room.
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: When they had it further into the house, they found
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: a fireplace poker on the ground and a pair of
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: men's underwear next to the coffee table. A bowl of
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: serial sat on a table. The television in the living
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: room was on. It was the only light in the
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: house as they searched. As they approached it, they found
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: Helen Nathanson on the living room floor. She was faced down,
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: partially under a table. They could tell she was younger
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: than the other two victims.
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: All of the victims had had such extreme trauma to
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: their heads that their dentist was called to help confirm
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: their identities. Ooh, that's that's bad. Bad day to be
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: a dentist as a bad you guys. Yeah, yeah, that's
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: that's that's not great. As long a links to say,
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: they were hit so many times, the police couldn't tell
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: how many times. That's wild. A fireplace poker hadn't done
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: this amount of damage. The women had been attacked with
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: a hatchet or an axe, but it didn't seem to
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: be at the scene. The cereal and the Nathanson's attire
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: suggested that they were attacked in the morning, and that
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: Anne arrived later and likely encountered the perpetrator as he left. Now,
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: both Helen and Sally showed signs of sexual assault.
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: It was the most brutal crime scene, but many of
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: the officers present would say they ever saw like in
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: their whole careers. Before that day, they had said the
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: same about the Oglethorpe Pals. So more police arrived to
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: sort through the crime scene, and they eventually noticed thought
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: a car was missing. Sally had recently inherited a nineteen
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: eighty four Dodge Diplomat and it was not parked outside.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: A BOLO was issued for a gray Dodge with a
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: crack in the windshield, but they didn't even know the
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: tag number.
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: Apparently somebody knew how to drive this time. So luckily
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: they didn't particularly need the tag number because that Dodge
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: fell right into their laps. The following morning, when Officer
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: Kirk Graham was driving down Moorland Avenue, parked in front
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: of a house was a gray Dodge, which, on closer
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: inspection had a chip in the windshield. Graham called in
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: his fine and the plate number and knocked on the
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: front door. I was at that car right there on
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: the right. Yeah, all the cars in the eighties kind
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: of look the same.
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: There's honestly, I'd have a hard time driving one of
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: those cars.
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: But like I named the Dodge Diplomat, Diplomat, I exactly
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: something a little bit more fancy looking. To be honest
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: with you, but.
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: I think this was a fancy car. I mean, it's
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: not as fancy as the don List cars. Let's be honest.
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: We had the Bullet car in that case, but it's
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: true the Orange Bug.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: This car, well no, but then the police guy owned
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: the car from the movie Bullet Oh yeah, oh yeah.
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: I couldn't find any pictures of him except him with
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: his fancy car. So yeah, but Dodge Diplomat much more practical.
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: She did just inherit it. She didn't pick out this
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: car for herself. But I kind of feel like every
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: car I've seen pictures of in this case look basically
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: the same. So he knocked on the door Officer Graham,
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: and he was let into a kitchen where a group
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: of four or five young men stood staring at him.
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: He told them he was looking for the owner of
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: the Dodge, and no one replied, but one of them
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: had a Dodge car key hanging from his belts. It
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: was a teenage boy. Officer Graham asked if that was
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: his car. And the boy said yes and asked where
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: he got it. He said, Chris gave it to me.
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: Hmm, okay, okay, well you see that's when the officer
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: heard back from dispatch confirming the plate number. He told
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: the young man that he needed to step outside with him,
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: and he went without any resistance. He told the officer
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: his name was Clinton Bankston Junior.
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: Officer Graham later described Bankston as meek, always saying yes
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: sir and no sir. His clothes were clean, he showed
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: no physical sign of violently attacking three women recently. The
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: officer couldn't comprehend this quiet sixteen year old was involved
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: in the murders at cars Hill, but he had the car,
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: and within minutes the house was sworn by police and
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: Clinton Bankston Junior was being read as rights and taken
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: into custody.
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: Now, Bankston was interviewed by two police officers after signing
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: a waiver that he did not want a lawyer present.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: Now we all know you guys always ask for a lawyer. Okay,
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: you're right, do it. Here's a cookie, by the way,
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: that's a Yellow Jackets shoke, and I love Kavin for
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: throwing it in there. But Bankston isn't exactly thinking like
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: we might. Now, everything we're going to talk about here
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: is based on what Clinton said in his interview, So
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: you know, take that with a grain of salt, or however,
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: many grains of salt, because there's there's there's going to
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: be a lot of grains, a lot of grains going
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: on here. Also, we want to shout out to Bama Mike,
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: another YouTuber for putting the interview on his YouTube channel.
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: So thank you Bama Mic for doing for doing that,
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: because it's very insightful, it's.
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: An interesting watch, it's awesome. Yes, So Bankston told the
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: police that he'd gone to Chris's how to borrow a
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: cassette tape. I'm guessing this was probably a Michael Jackson tape,
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: but we'll get there.
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: Anyway, somehow, riding his bike to Chris's to grab a
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: tape turned into Clinton and Chris riding their bikes to
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: Carl's Hill. Chris told Clinton that they were going over
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: there to get somebody back, and Clinton assumed that he
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: was playing a prank on a family member.
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: When they arrived at Sally Nathanson's home, Chris went inside
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: while Clinton waited outside. Eventually he went inside to see
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: what Chris was up to. He entered through the sliding
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: glass door and saw Sally Nathanson dead in her bed.
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: He said he hadn't heard her being attacked since she
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: couldn't speak. Sally being physically unable to scream or yell
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: for help during this is truly horrific. He did, however,
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: hear Helen's screams in the living room. When he got there,
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: he saw Chris smashing her head in with an axe.
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: Well. Clinton actually insisted it was an axe sword. When
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: the police asked him to clarify, he said it was
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: something Chris had built, and it was like a sword
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: and an axe combined.
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: Right as one does. I think we're back back when
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: amos we have a little audio clip to play? Yeah, yes, okay,
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: oh oh wait, no, there's not one there.
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: Just cycling back.
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: Well, we don't have one for you right now. So
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: that's okay. He has this X sword thing. It's fine.
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: We'll hear from him later, don't you worry?
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: So well, yeah, he says that he put together an
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: axe and a sword. And I know Athens now is
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: known for its DIY scene, but the whole thing's starting
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: to seem a little fantastical, because, first off, Clinton left
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: his home at five a m. On the day of
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: the Car's Hill murders. So who borrows a cassette tape
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: at five am? Have you heard thriller?
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: Have you heard it? You don't want to listen to,
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: you know, Billy at six o'clock in the morning, because
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: I did.
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: I I mean not at no, not at five am.
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: And I certainly don't want to be the person somebody
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: shows up at their house at five am to borrow
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: what does that tape? Like, No, we're not friends anymore.
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: But now like on top of that, he has an axe,
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: sword and like was he in there? I'm just wondering
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: how how, how crazy this is going to get. Clinton
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: told the police that he was going to leave when
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: he saw what Chris had done, and then he said
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: something that really got the police's attention.
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: I think we got that click.
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: We kind of like I had a sword up like
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: this and had an looked like he built to do something.
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: He made it himself. Kind of like the screw, ain't
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: it so that I went along with him skinning the money?
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: But I ain't killing nobody. I just moved the roads
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: and stuff because he didn't get rich like this. And
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: he asked me, do I want to get rich with him?
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: And I said yes.
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: Now, first first clip there were there were two back
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: to back. There was just a little or. The first
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: one is the DIY tip on how to make an
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: axe sword. You just put a little nail in it.
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: It's fine, it works. But in case you didn't quite
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: catch what he just said, let me let me read
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: it for you, because he is pretty soft spoken and
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: this is important. So he said the first house we did,
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: I went along with him as getting the money, but
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: I ain't killed nobody. I just moved the rugs and
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: stuff because he said we can get rich like this.
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: And he asked me, do I want to get rich
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: with him? And I said yes, I mean this Okay.
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: This is big for the detectives because they're trying to
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: get a confassion for cars Hill and he just brought
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: up the Ogle door bouse, so they had to keep
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: him talking. He talked about Chris giving him the keys
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: to Sally Masonson's recently acquired Dodge and said that getting
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: cars and money was his motive for the crimes.
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: Now, the police tried to steer the conversation back to
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: the victims, but Clinton talked more about trying to steal
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: a rowing machine and digging through the house to find
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: things of value. He even mentioned taking a high school
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: diploma so Chris could change the name on it and
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: get a job. Some real genius ideas going on. But
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: you know what, they sold a high school diploma, a
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: little jewelry, and Sally's car. He said, Anne had arrived
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: when they were stealing the car, and so they had
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: to kill her. They'd taken seven seventy dollars of cash
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: from her pocket book, and by the way, that's about
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: two hundred dollars now, so that's that's a lot. When
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: asked if he got blood on him, he gave an
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: explanation for the underwear. You remember that. Let's hear his expence.
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: Man, how did you get the blood on your path?
• 56:46
  Speaker 3: When he was using the sword him? The blood had
• 56:49
  Speaker 3: came out the sword and came on to me. No,
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: when I said, I came in a second when he
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: were killing that young girl, and the book went off
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: in that whole thing.
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: Okay, what you do when the blood got on you?
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: I tried to get it all. How did you do that?
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: I had went in to buy from mm hmm. And
• 57:08
  Speaker 3: then I put some water on the blood will come
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: off's I put my my pants down and see if
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: that and he had got on my own shorts inside,
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: so so I want to take it home. I won't
• 57:21
  Speaker 3: be asking what this is then, so I took it off.
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: He Chris helped me to hurry up to go put
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: somebody come so hers up. Then when I left my
• 57:32
  Speaker 3: shorts down, my UNDI shorts mm hm.
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: Real quick, lady, and Gray asked again how old is
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: this kid? He's what sixteen?
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: He's sixteen at this point.
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so.
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: I'm then asked what happened to the axe sword. He
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: said Chris had taken it home with him. The police
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: then shifted gears and asked Bankston about what happened in
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: April on Oglethorpe Avenue when Clinton was only fifteen. He
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: said they went there to get cars, but he didn't
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: know how to drive and had hit the garage wall
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: and the tree before giving up. He said that Chris
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: had a key to the Sutton's house and that Chris's
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: father had been in the army with doctor Sutton, who
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: as we know, was actually in the naval reserve, not
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: the army. But I guess we can't be too picky here.
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, if these clips are telling us anything,
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: it's that one way or another. Clinton is not exactly
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: right in the head.
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: Not so much, not so much. Clinton said that he
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: and Chris entered the back of the house, went upstairs
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: and didn't find anything. And when they went downstairs, Chris
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: encountered Rachel Sutton in the kitchen. He also talked about
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: taking off her Oh god, this part is. He also
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: talked about taking off her compression stockings and rubbing her legs, saying,
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: quote we were just playing with her end quote sow.
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: And then when I got in there, they went into
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: this room right here because he grabbed a boy her
• 59:38
  Speaker 3: arm park put her in here, and that when he
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: starts stebbing her in the net park and then he
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: start and then he had as over master. She came
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: holler at first, but she started hollering, and then then
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: she called her husband name that when he had stuck
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: during the neck part. And then she went back in here.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 3: She just had been stuck one time, and she came
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: back in here to the kids and calling his name.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: And then she came to here to this part right here,
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 3: he start there again and blow was on this part
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: right here.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: So sad.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: Now, in case you didn't catch some of that, Clinton
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: was worried that doctor Sutton would call the police, but
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: Chris told him that he couldn't move quickly and he
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: had an artificial heart. So doctor Sutton did descend the stairs.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: And throwing them on the ground.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: We don't have to listen to that again, it's okay.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 3: Asking what the case was that, and then he said upstairs.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: First he said what you doing while you doing this
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 3: stuff like that? And then on Chris asson what a
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 3: key is a and Dan he starts stipping.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: So that, I mean, this whole thing's horrible. But that
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: just makes me so sad and scared.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: But my apologies, I didn't realize there were two videos
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: back to back and I but anyway, that's that's what
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: he said in both of those and it's so.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: It's so bad. Yeah, So he just the fact that
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: you know, we've we've learned about doctor Sutton and like
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: he's a really impressive man, and the fact that he's
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: laying on the ground asking somebody why they're doing this
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: to him. It's just heartbreaking. And like it's a question
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: I think probably all of us have, why are you
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: doing this for a couple of old cars? Like seems
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: literally insane. But doctor Sutton, as we heard, I did
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: tell Clinton where to find the keys, but Chris still
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: repeatedly stopped him. Chris then moved Missus Sutton into the
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: pantry and Clinton moved Doctor Sutton there as well. At
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: Chris's direction, Clinton found garment bags and tried to cover
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: as much of Missus Sutton as he could with them.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: He told Chris he wasn't burying anyone, and Chris said
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: that the bodies would stay hidden there long enough to
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: turn into.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: Bones, because that's that's how that happens. Real genius as
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: they are. Yeah, now they saw a whole thirty five
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: dollars from doctor Sutton's wallet and some jewelry. Obviously the
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: car plan didn't work out for them, and he didn't
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: really have an explanation for a while. They had tried
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: to steal women's clothing and shoots. They tried to clean
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: up after themselves, but did an absolutely crap job, as
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: we've seen, because if you didn't notice earlier, there was
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: blood on that dustpan. And I don't know why. And
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: they mopped the carpet, and they mopped the carpet, like
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: what are you even?
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: What are you doing?
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: What is happening?
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: Like not getting any a for afford. I don't care
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: how much elbow grease they put in there. So Clinton
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: was able to direct police to a place on a
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: gravel road behind a Salvation army where some of the
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: car's hill evidence had been dumped, including the hatchet used
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: to kill the three women, Clinton's bloody button down shirt,
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: and Helen Nathanson's diploma.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: Which I, by the way, do not see a sword
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: as the handle. And uh, I'll be honest, I'm a
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: little disappointed about it. I'm I'm a little disappointed that
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: I don't see that DIY project there.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: We were getting a little fantastical. I don't think he
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: Man was there either.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: Oh oh my gosh, what is even happening? Okay, So
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: that's how Clinton said it all went down.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: He was just there.
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: Chris did everything. The Suttons were the first time he
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: saw Chris murder anyone. But Chris has a trans am
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: that he suspected he killed four mm hmm, yeah.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: How else do you get a transam? I mean, now,
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: if we were listening hard to Clinton's story, we can
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: start to see something consistencies. He said he didn't find
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: anything upstairs at the Suttons, but later he said that
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: mister Sutton was upstairs. He said Chris had taken the axe,
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: sword and diploma, but they'd been dumbed somewhere with Clinton's
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: bloody shirt.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and despite saying he took no part in any
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: of the violence, when he was asked how things happened,
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: he knew all of the details. He said, when he
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: first entered Sally Netherson's house, she was already dead. And
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: how did he know that her voice didn't work?
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: Now Here is the thing. There's absolutely no evidence of
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: Chris existing. No one else knew him. He wasn't in
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: the school system, he didn't live where Clinton and said
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: he lived. And they couldn't find that sweet trans am.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: The fingerprints at the scene matched Clinton. Clinton had the dodge.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you guys. When Clinton's mother was interviewed, she was
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: able to give a little insight on Chris. Since Clinton
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: had been a young boy, any time that he had
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: gotten in trouble, he'd blame it on Chris. They'd lived
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: in Atlanta when Chris first was mentioned when they moved
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: to Athens, specifically to five point forty Olgthorpe Avenue, just
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: down the street from the Sutton's house. Chris seemingly moved
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: there too. Clinton got in trouble at school for selling
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: candy and said he'd been doing it for Chris. Clinton
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: told his mother where Chris and his uncle lived, Thorpe
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: and Hawthorne, but when she went to find him, no
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: one there knew what she was talking about. When asked
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: if she had ever considered that Chris might not exist
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: at all, she had answered yes, mm hmm, you guys,
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: that was my emoji reaction. Then I highlighted right there,
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: what what's what's what's Yeahay.
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: Bankston later told the police and psychiatrists that Chris did
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: not exist. He spoke of knocking on the Sutton's door
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: looking for work, becoming enraged at something that Missus Sutton
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: had said. He spoke of following Helen Nathanson home from
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: work one day. He'd all lived close to both of
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: the houses, so they were convenient in him and as
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: I don't keep in mind, if Clinton Bankston had dissociative
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: identity disorder, he wouldn't know everything that happened in those
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: moments when Chris took over. No diagnosis has been shared
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: with the public, but I wonder personally. I wonder if
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: he was developing schizophrenia. He was the right age for
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: the most common onset, but that is all speculation. We
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: don't know what exactly was going on with him.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he did have an unhappy childhood. His parents split up,
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: and his father died in a house fire when Clinton
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: was a wedding. He spent time at both his mother's
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: and grandmother's house, but implied that he spent much much
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: of the time alone.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: He dropped out of high school in the ninth grade,
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: and that was also my high school, so go glad
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: who he also he was recalled by classmates and teachers
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: as a neat and shy boy. He didn't talk in
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: class unless called on, and he often needed help with reading.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: When the police had searched Bankston's bedroom, they had found
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: the jewelry, some weapons, some replicas of Michael Jackson's clothes huh,
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: which I feel would not not be cheap during this
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: time at all, and they found some pages of writing.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: The police interpreted them as his plans for the money
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: he would make from his crimes.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: These plans included buying homes for his family, beds, fans,
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: and heaters for people paying utility bills, and last on
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: his list was a sentence, no one stay by their self.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: I may I just say he has a lot nicer
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: handwriting than I thought you would just spun out there.
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  Speaker 2: He's very neat.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: He is very neat.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: So I know I'm not supposed to have sympathy for
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: the killer, especially after what we've talked about, but these
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: notes really drive home to meet this kid wanted to
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: do right by his family and that he was lonely
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: and he didn't want anyone else to be. Of course,
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: he went about it in the absolute worst way possible,
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: worst way ever. Also sorry, I like. Also on this note,
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: he says that the girls can come over as honestly
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: clean their house, clean his house, I mean fun.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: Maybe likes messy people coming over to their houses.
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: Is all your keep.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: Your keep now. Clinton Bankston Junior was assigned a public
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: defender named ed Tally, who was with him from the
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: first preliminary hearing in August in juvenile court, but in
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: September he was indicted by a grand jury to be
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: tried as an adult. Bankston was charged with five counts
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: of capital murder and of course denied bond. District attorney
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: Harry Gordon was seeking the death penalty, but Tolly was
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: experienced in death penalty cases and from their first conversation,
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: had that Bankston was mentally ill. He requested Bankston's school
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: records and found that the reports of mental health and
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 1: behavioral issues began in first grade. Tolly's own wife was
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: a school teacher who had referred him to a center
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: for children with psychological and psychiatric difficulties when he was
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: five or six years old. The school district had denied
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: her request, saying he was too young, so he skated
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: through the public school system until he dropped out of
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: high school.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: Still glads. So, despite some family members' arguments that Bankston
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: was innocent, Tolly did not see any way that he
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: could be found not guilty. His goal was not to
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: free Bankston, but to save his life, and looking for
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 2: a way to accomplish that, he found an inconsistency in
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: the Georgia death penalty law. A previous update to the
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: law had removed language borrowing the execution of a juvenile,
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: and the nineteen eighty seven version was ambiguous as to
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: whether or not someone under the age of seventeen could
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: be legally sentenced to death. Tolly saw his opening and
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: filed a motion to bar the imposition of the death
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: penalty for his case. That motion was denied, but ended
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: up going to the State Supreme Court. So in April
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: of nineteen eighty eight, in the case of Bankston and v. Georgia,
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: the court found it was not legal to execute a
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: juvenile or a person who was a juvenile at the
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: time of the crime. Once the death penalty was off
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: the table, Polly was more willing to discuss options with
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: the prosecution.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: Yes. On May twelfth, nineteen eighty eight, Clinton's seventeenth birthday,
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: Clinton Bankston Junior was sentenced to five life sentences after
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: pleading guilty but mentally ill. No, in case you're wondering,
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: if he had been found not guilty by reason of insanity,
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: he'd have gone into a mental health facility. A guilty
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: but mentally ill plea gives the court the authority to
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: charge you, just like they would charge anyone else found guilty,
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: and gives the Department of Corrections the discretion to send
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: the person to a mental health facility temporarily.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: He did try to vacate his convictions and withdraw his
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: guilty pleas in twenty nineteen, citing ineffective council failure to
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: appropriately assess his mental competency and that he should have
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: been tried as a juvenile. In twenty twenty, the Georgia
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: Supreme Court upheld his conviction. It probably didn't help that
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 1: he tried to escape from his first attention center, but
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: I'm like okay now, though he is currently incarcerated at
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: the Wheeler Correctional Facility in Alamo, Georgia.
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: As I mentioned before, the crimes of Clinton Bankston Junior
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: have become the stuff of urban legend around Athens. When
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 2: I finally found someone who would tell me about it
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: on the school bus, they said that the Sutton son
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: had killed them. I've heard that their gardener killed them.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: I've heard that Bankston was shot and killed escaping from prison.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: Obviously none of that is true, but those versions might
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 2: make more sense than how it actually happened.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: In fairness, maybe now it just goes to show you
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: that before the Internet put all this information at her fingertips,
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: true crime was a game of telephone little bits of
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: truth turning into wild rumors. And let's be real, though
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: the Internet only helps with that if you know where
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: to find accurate news. I think those little bits of
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: truth and wild rumors kind of still run rampant, even
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: on the interwebs, and we're at a time when truth
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: seems more and more subjective. So as I always say,
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: be sure to do your research. Now for closing thoughts
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: for tonight's story, Now, I find myself very conflicted with
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: this case. The sheer brutality and horror, absolute horror inflicted
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: on all of the victims fills me with rage. I mean,
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: we heard about them. They were successful, amazing people who
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: contributed legacies throughout decades.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: And to be.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: Gone because of this. It's just it's very unfair. But
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: clearly there was something very troubling and disturbing going on
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 1: with Clinton, and a part of me wonders that if
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: this had taken place in our modern time, would the
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: outcome be different. I mean, he didn't seem like he
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: was a monster at his core. You know, as a
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: matter of fact, it's liked in his fractured mind that
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: his actual plan was to help his family and the
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: people that he loved. But something was going on with
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: him that I don't believe he really had a lot
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: of control over. And if this happened now, would he
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: have been sent to an institution and receive the psychiatric
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: care that he clearly and desperately needed. You know, there's
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: been a heated discussion, a heated debate for decades about
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: rulings regarding juveniles and punishments, and I'll be honest, I
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: don't even know where I actually stand on that issue,
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: and this case, as I said, has me very torn
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: and is certainly one that I will continue to ponder.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: So thank you, captain for that that thing that's never
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: gone away, So thank you, Thank you.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 2: Well. I think I think the fact that a teacher
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: had tried to get him help when he was only
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 2: five or six really shows that despite what his classmates
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 2: and family said, this wasn't a total shock. Other people
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 2: could see the warning signs there, and that that isn't
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 2: passing the blame to anyone but him. But the situation
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 2: just sucks all the way around. I start feeling bad
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: for him, and then I remember just how violent these
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: crimes were and how horrible and senseless the last moments
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 2: of these victims must have been So it's it's I mean,
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: not only do I have the cultural connection to it.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: But also yeah, it's it's not cutting dry, it's not blackplicated,
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: and I think that's the thing with many of these cases,
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: especially juvenile cases, it's it's not black and white, it's complicated.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: You do have young killers who when let go kill again, Yeah,
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: then you have others to do something bad in their
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: youth and they never do it again. Our first show
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: of this season was the James Bowlder case, which was
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: a very good example of the diconomy of juvenile offenders.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: I think, yeah, it's another hard case though that was
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: not hard case, yes yet.
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 2: Also for my closing thoughts, I do wanna I always
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 2: like to shout out to like the sources that we're
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 2: super helpful and researching. So for this week, I have
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 2: got to give a shout out to Classic City Crime,
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 2: which is an Athens based podcast that didn't eat part
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 2: miniseries on this So if you really, if you really
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 2: are interested in all the ins and outs and hearing
• 1:21:02
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• 1:21:06
  Speaker 2: it's fine to pay well. But they have other interesting
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: cases as well. All it happens All credit where credits do.
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 2: Thank you Cameron Jay.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: Yes, Classic City Crime go check them out. Now, let's
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: let's wrap up tonight's show because that's that time of night.
• 1:21:27
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• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: I get Cavin wrote that again for me and I
• 1:25:22
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• 1:25:26
  Speaker 2: The fact is she doesn't read the scripts before she reads.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 2: This was my research.
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: It is absolutely not true, and I mean total bitch
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  Speaker 1: in the best way thank you because your research was amazing,
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: your storytelling amazing. Thank you so much for suggesting this
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: case tonight, because like I had never heard of it,
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: and it is certainly one that I don't know where
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: it puts in my list of cases that were are
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: gonna haunt me. I mean, I'm doing Oba Chandler right now,
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: which is a case that has hought me for a really,
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: really long time, and I think that this is one
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 1: of those two because of the depravity of the crimes.
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 1: But then you have this other side in the age
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: of the victim, the clear mental illnesses of this victim
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: for a very long time. So thank you for sharing
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: that with us. Actually, you know what, Oh yes, the perpetrator.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: My apologies. That was great, but you got the victims
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: were not mentally ill. No, they were fantastic.
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 2: They were.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: Are we all that's true? Oh well, thank you. On
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• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: slide shows. She researches, she writes, she gets on the air.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: Rumor I heard was that we're going to see more
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: of capin in the future.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 2: She's like, what will we It's a good thing we
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 2: learned tonight about what rumors do. And I'm like an
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 2: urban legend myself, and that is true the mysterious.
• 1:27:23
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• 1:27:25
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• 1:27:29
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• 1:27:32
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• 1:27:36
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• 1:27:44
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• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: I guess whatever that means. But okay, I'm just think
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: it's just very cute.
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 2: It's very cute.
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: I see the bulldog. Honestly, I don't watch Okay, I
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: don't know, all right, I don't know. He's a little bullet.
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 2: That's all you need to know.
• 1:28:15
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