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Bleach | Furnace Fest 2025 Series · The BlackSheep Podcast: Presented by HM Magazine

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  Speaker 1: You've got me pretty many, abute, take any up a play,
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  Speaker 1: Gotta gets straight, forty gets Tuesday, praying back, praying back
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  Speaker 1: to face time.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's.
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  Speaker 1: About that time I can afford.
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  Speaker 3: This, So I will say this.
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  Speaker 4: I've got Sam and Mylam with me from Bleach, the infamous,
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  Speaker 4: the legendary band from of Bleach, just super so to me.
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  Speaker 4: Both of you guys, y'all have been just so great
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  Speaker 4: and gracious about it making this happen. So we'll get
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  Speaker 4: into all things Bleach. But before we dive into all
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  Speaker 4: of that, how you guys doing today?
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  Speaker 5: I'm doing great.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been a good day. Yeah, yeah, it's been busy.
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  Speaker 6: I feel like there's a lot of moving parts in
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  Speaker 6: life right now, you know, and so great today.
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  Speaker 4: I love hearing that. How about you, milam?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeah, a great day, great day in Tennessee sunshine.
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  Speaker 5: I've got four kids, so yeah, I'm pretty scattered throughout
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  Speaker 5: the day between work and getting them everywhere they need
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  Speaker 5: to go. But today is good.
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  Speaker 4: Good. I'm I'm doing well too. I actually so I
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  Speaker 4: work for Are you guys familiar with seminary? Is that
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  Speaker 4: a thing you guys are familiar with? So I worked
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  Speaker 4: for a seminary here in Minneapolis, and we just had
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  Speaker 4: our first day of classes. So it's kind of a
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  Speaker 4: big day in the world of seminary. So so yeah,
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  Speaker 4: we we had first day of classes and just looking
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  Speaker 4: forward to that and so yeah, it was a good day.
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  Speaker 4: All the people that should have showed up showed up,
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  Speaker 4: which is always a good day.
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  Speaker 2: They did. Okod.
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  Speaker 4: So well, let's let's dive into bleach. I'd love to
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  Speaker 4: for maybe both of you just here, like what maybe
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  Speaker 4: even before you guys got into bleach, Like what inspired
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  Speaker 4: you to start music? Like, did you guys grow up
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  Speaker 4: super musical? Did you grow up in families that were musical?
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  Speaker 4: Like what what made you want to play music for
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  Speaker 4: a living for a little while?
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  Speaker 6: Well, I did my my my mom's side of my family,
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  Speaker 6: they were very musical, like my grandpa and grandma. They
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  Speaker 6: used to they would do like variety shows kind of
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  Speaker 6: in the you know, fifties and stuff. They my grandpa
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  Speaker 6: did stand up comedy and and they said they.
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  Speaker 2: Had a quartet. They had a quartet and Grandma played piano.
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  Speaker 4: You know.
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  Speaker 2: It was just like one of those old variety shows.
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  Speaker 6: So music's always been a part of our part of
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  Speaker 6: my my story and my family.
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  Speaker 2: But I mean my.
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  Speaker 5: Mom was always like she taught piano, played the organ
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  Speaker 5: at church. But yeah, music was just always an important,
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  Speaker 5: like aspect. I just remember my dad when I was young,
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  Speaker 5: always listening to like he loved like fifties and sixties
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  Speaker 5: like music that he grew up with, and then would
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  Speaker 5: would always play like the Eagles and James Taylor in
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  Speaker 5: the car and so like, I'm just like, I'm hearing
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  Speaker 5: music all the time. And then when I was ten,
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  Speaker 5: my youth pastor took me and my brother to see
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  Speaker 5: Striper and that was it game my mind. So from
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  Speaker 5: that point on, I'm like, I've got to find a
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  Speaker 5: way to do that.
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  Speaker 4: So and you only wore black and yellow for the
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  Speaker 4: rest of you.
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  Speaker 5: If I have, I would have that's.
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  Speaker 2: True, yellow and black.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I had to wait till I got to college anyway.
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  Speaker 6: So yeah, well it's I think one thing that's kind
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  Speaker 6: of cool with like and I don't want to jump
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  Speaker 6: too far ahead, but part of like in my story,
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  Speaker 6: the first I grew up Church of Christ, and uh,
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  Speaker 6: it was a pretty you know, it was pretty are the.
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  Speaker 4: Ones that like typically don't even have like musical instruments
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  Speaker 4: in worship, right, yeah, that is true in.
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  Speaker 2: The South, that's true. But in the North it's a
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  Speaker 2: little more. You know.
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  Speaker 6: They we had instruments, but it was like piano organ
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  Speaker 6: and you know until now that's now there's drums and
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  Speaker 6: things like that, you know in those churches.
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  Speaker 2: But and so, but my mom and dad were real
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  Speaker 2: strict about.
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  Speaker 6: Like what music I listened to, you know, and so
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  Speaker 6: like I couldn't buy The Hell with the Devil because
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  Speaker 6: it said.
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  Speaker 4: It was like, isn't that what we want to do
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  Speaker 4: with the Devil? Though, Like isn't that Yeah, it's like
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  Speaker 4: theologically the accurate thing that we're supposed to do, right.
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  Speaker 6: Exactly I did. It didn't make sense to me. But
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  Speaker 6: but the first tape I ever got was a band
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  Speaker 6: called DeGarmo and Key and uh they were like, I
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  Speaker 6: don't know, kind of holland o it's or some kind
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  Speaker 6: of bluesy rock band. And it was a Christian Christian
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  Speaker 6: rock man. And uh so, if you fast forward through
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  Speaker 6: the like the beginnings of our story, a guy named
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  Speaker 6: Eddie Degarmos who signed us to our first record deal.
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  Speaker 6: So Eddie Degarmos who started Forefront Records, which was our
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  Speaker 6: first record label Home and so the guy that introduced
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  Speaker 6: me really to kind of like rock music, he was
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  Speaker 6: the first they were the first rock band I ever
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  Speaker 6: I ever heard as far as that Christian rock. Ended
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  Speaker 6: up being the guy that kind of full circled and
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  Speaker 6: is the one who signed us to our first deal.
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  Speaker 4: So kind of little that's so what it kind of
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  Speaker 4: reminds me then, like you know, you you guys obviously
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  Speaker 4: start playing well before. I mean I would imagine like
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  Speaker 4: you guys were playing as a band a little bit
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  Speaker 4: before you get signed to Forefront. So what got you
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  Speaker 4: both into guitar in particular because you both are guitar players, right, right.
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  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, that's right. Say that was for me.
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  Speaker 6: I got my first guitar my freshman year of high school.
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  Speaker 6: Like our family, that kind of we were in in
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  Speaker 6: an area called Portville, Indiana, and it's like, you know,
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  Speaker 6: there was a stoplight, a dairy queen in a liquor
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  Speaker 6: store pretty much, you know, that's what we had, and
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  Speaker 6: a dollar general because those were in every tiny small town, right,
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  Speaker 6: so there wasn't a lot to do. You know, half
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  Speaker 6: our family were farmers, and so we were kind of out,
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  Speaker 6: you know, out in that and yeah, I uh.
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  Speaker 4: Wait, I just how did you get in?
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  Speaker 2: Would you say again? I'm sorry? Oh yeah yeah?
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  Speaker 6: Oh so, so like I fell in love with I
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  Speaker 6: started listening to music. I don't know, I was probably
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  Speaker 6: ten or eleven when I first heard like the garmo
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  Speaker 6: and key and again like my intro to like rock music,
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  Speaker 6: and so yeah, I just I fell in love with
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  Speaker 6: like with that sound.
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  Speaker 2: I just was so fascinated by the guitar.
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  Speaker 6: And so my freshman year Christmas, for my freshman year
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  Speaker 6: of high school, I was fourteen, and my mom and
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  Speaker 6: dad got me my first guitar. So and then you know,
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  Speaker 6: in our little town, I yea again, it was a
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  Speaker 6: like pretty small, typical kind of farm community, and so
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  Speaker 6: there wasn't a lot of artists or creative necessarily that
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  Speaker 6: we're coming out of out of that area, and so
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  Speaker 6: I kind of felt like the odd man out a
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  Speaker 6: lot in a lot of ways growing up. But everybody
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  Speaker 6: was cool too. So I just I found some other
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  Speaker 6: dudes and we started playing playing music together and had
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  Speaker 6: my first high school band. We were called Sanctified. It
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  Speaker 6: was with a why so that way the cross could
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  Speaker 6: be the big you know, it could be right in
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  Speaker 6: the middle and it was it was awesome. So yeah,
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  Speaker 6: and then and then I did that through high school
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  Speaker 6: and then when we got to college, which is where
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  Speaker 6: we where Davian and Matt Garrick and I met and
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  Speaker 6: kind of started and so that was kind.
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  Speaker 4: Of the earth we might have lost MYLN for a second.
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  Speaker 4: But but yeah, like it's interesting though, like you know,
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  Speaker 4: especially a lot of people that Colin and I have
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  Speaker 4: interviewed that have, you know, maybe grew up in that
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  Speaker 4: Christian world. They were introduced, you know, and then they
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  Speaker 4: eventually maybe had like their own like Christian band or whatever,
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  Speaker 4: but a lot of times it was like that they
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  Speaker 4: were introduced to rock music in particular, but certainly like
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  Speaker 4: Christian rock early on, and that's what like inspired them
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  Speaker 4: to play guitar. So it's interesting that you said, like
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  Speaker 4: it wasn't until much later that you even learned that
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  Speaker 4: there was like Christian rock, but you were certainly obviously
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  Speaker 4: playing guitar well before then, and that's what got you
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  Speaker 4: into obviously guitar rock kind of music.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Well, yeah, it's interesting because like the music I mean,
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  Speaker 6: I did. I don't want to sound like I didn't
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  Speaker 6: know what rock and roll was until that point, like
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  Speaker 6: I you know, like it was like the Beach Boys
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  Speaker 6: and like, you know, like kind of country was what
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  Speaker 6: everybody listened to.
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  Speaker 2: And then like gospel.
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  Speaker 6: I grew up in Gayther Country near Anderson, Indiana area,
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  Speaker 6: so there was a lot of that southern gospel kind
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  Speaker 6: of stuff, and you know that was you know, Grandma
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  Speaker 6: and Grandpa always had Gayther homecoming stuff on. And so
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  Speaker 6: I was around music a lot in that way. But
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  Speaker 6: really where I kind of carved my own path and
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  Speaker 6: figured out what I really loved was kind of all
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  Speaker 6: in the mix of all that.
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  Speaker 2: But I love all kinds of you know, so I'm
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  Speaker 2: brock and Rollers is what I really fell in love with. MH.
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  Speaker 4: So, my limb, How did you get into guitar?
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  Speaker 6: Like?
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  Speaker 4: What what inspired you?
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  Speaker 2: What?
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  Speaker 4: What was the what was the impetus around that?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it literally started seeing Striper, you know,
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  Speaker 5: and then but it wasn't until a few years later.
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  Speaker 5: I think I was in the eighth grade and I
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  Speaker 5: got my first electric. I had kind of been playing
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  Speaker 5: around like a one hundred dollars like acoustic for about
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  Speaker 5: a year and you know, tearing up my fingers and
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  Speaker 5: trying to learn chords and stuff, and but eighth grade,
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  Speaker 5: like my dad said, I'll take you to guitar lessons,
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  Speaker 5: and I wasn't. Like my older brother was like all
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  Speaker 5: into sports and like doing all the things, and I wasn't.
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  Speaker 5: And so guitar just kind of became that thing for
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  Speaker 5: me and just went to a guitar shop. I was
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  Speaker 5: living in Reno, Nevada at the time, so just took
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  Speaker 5: lessons every week and never practiced like my teacher would
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  Speaker 5: was so frustrated with me because he would teach me
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  Speaker 5: a song and be like, how long did you practice
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  Speaker 5: this this week? And it was never And so it
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  Speaker 5: took me a little while to like, I think I
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  Speaker 5: had to hit a stride where I'm like, oh, I
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  Speaker 5: can do this. It was still like really frustrating. It
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  Speaker 5: was really hard for me. And then honestly, like it
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  Speaker 5: became very natural when I went off to college because
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  Speaker 5: I just took a guitar with me and didn't know
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  Speaker 5: anybody and moved across the country to South Carolina to
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  Speaker 5: go to college. And I was playing guitar three or
• 10:40
  Speaker 5: four hours a day at that point, and you know
• 10:43
  Speaker 5: that leads to like starting your first band or playing
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  Speaker 5: some covers in the college coffee shop, and then you know,
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  Speaker 5: one thing leads to another and I'm playing all the time.
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  Speaker 5: So yeah, I just I wanted to play the guitar
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  Speaker 5: or like that was always going to be the instrument
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  Speaker 5: for me. It took me a little while. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 5: wasn't like some wonder kid that just learned it right away. Right.
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  Speaker 4: That reminds me of when I was a kid and
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  Speaker 4: I got my first guitar and my parents were pretty
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  Speaker 4: you know, diligent on me. You know, they were like,
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  Speaker 4: if you want to get this, like we want you to,
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  Speaker 4: you know, we want to like, you know, you to
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  Speaker 4: invest time into it. So yeah, I remember going and
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  Speaker 4: taking lessons and getting this like guitar lesson book or whatever,
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  Speaker 4: and it's like, you know, you're just putting one finger
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  Speaker 4: on one string and like I don't know what I
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  Speaker 4: probably learned like hot crossbunds or whatever, and I'm like,
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  Speaker 4: for whatever reason, I'm like, I'm listening to like emo
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  Speaker 4: music at that time, and I was really into pop
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  Speaker 4: punk and all of that, and I was just like,
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  Speaker 4: this sounds nothing like what I'm trying to, like what
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  Speaker 4: I'm learning in my guitar lessons, And so I think
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  Speaker 4: just because of the fact that, like the music I
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  Speaker 4: was learning to learn how to play guitar was so
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  Speaker 4: different than what I was actually intune. The reason why
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  Speaker 4: I wanted to play guitar, I just I never connected
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  Speaker 4: with it. It wasn't until probably a number of years
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  Speaker 4: later that I learned like, oh, guitar tabs, and so
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  Speaker 4: I like would start to learn like guitar tab stuff,
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  Speaker 4: and then and then later on like learning chords and
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  Speaker 4: then realizing like, oh wait, like there's there's some guitar
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  Speaker 4: centric music that I really like where it's pretty easy
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  Speaker 4: to play just like a few chords and it sounds
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  Speaker 4: just like that song. And that's when I was like,
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  Speaker 4: just because it was the songs that I liked that
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  Speaker 4: I could easily play on an acoustic or an electric guitar,
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  Speaker 4: that's when I like really was able to connect with it.
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  Speaker 4: So yeah, my lam, I don't know if that was
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  Speaker 4: like the case for you, where it's like once you
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  Speaker 4: got into like actually playing music that you were actually
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  Speaker 4: into that you were like, oh wait, like now I
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  Speaker 4: actually really want to learn this instrument.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, definitely. Yeah, Yeah. I was learning like all the
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  Speaker 5: hair metal stuff and like drag scannered, Zeppelin, of course,
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  Speaker 5: but yeah, yeah, it started to make more sense than Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Well, when I figured out like it was like four chords,
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  Speaker 6: I'm like, I'm down, I can do this, you know,
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  Speaker 6: And like there was some thing about the you know,
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  Speaker 6: sometimes mumplicity of the basic idea of a rock song
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  Speaker 6: that did.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't feel intimidated.
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  Speaker 6: I think when I listened to like these bands, it
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  Speaker 6: was intimidating to me at first.
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  Speaker 2: And then when I figured out, oh, the kind of
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  Speaker 2: the you just learned the kind of the the root
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  Speaker 2: of this.
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  Speaker 6: It's pretty simple most of the time, you know, So
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  Speaker 6: that that was a that was an AHA for me
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  Speaker 6: too learn.
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  Speaker 4: Well, let's let's hear the story of how Bleach came together.
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  Speaker 4: I know you guys met at college, but is there
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  Speaker 4: any fun exciting story, Like you guys just ran into
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  Speaker 4: each other and somebody dropped their books and now, I mean,
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  Speaker 4: I guess that's more of a love story kind of story.
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  Speaker 4: But but yeah, how'd you guys meet? Yeah, what what's
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  Speaker 4: the fun story or if there is a fun story
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  Speaker 4: about how Bleach formed, there.
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  Speaker 6: Is I mean, well, it's interesting because we originally so
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  Speaker 6: we met Mylam later on, Yeah, so Mylam we had
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  Speaker 6: the original five guys.
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  Speaker 2: We met in college and it.
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  Speaker 6: Was it was me and Davy bassing Her, who was
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  Speaker 6: our singer forever, and Matt Gingrick who played drums at
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  Speaker 6: the time, Todd Kirby who played bass, and then brad Ford,
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  Speaker 6: so we were all just college kids. Part of the Yeah,
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  Speaker 6: this is kind of funny. Part of how we met
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  Speaker 6: was me and Dave, Me and Matt met first.
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  Speaker 2: And it's funny.
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  Speaker 6: The first thing we ever did together was go to
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  Speaker 6: a Prayer Chain and Mortal.
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  Speaker 2: Show in Louisville.
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  Speaker 6: And what's funny is in two weekends we're going to
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  Speaker 6: see Prayer Chain and Mortal again.
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  Speaker 2: So it feels like this full circle kind of moment
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  Speaker 2: right now.
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  Speaker 6: But yeah, so but we so we met and just
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  Speaker 6: started you know, we were kind of we just clicked
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  Speaker 6: and so we did.
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  Speaker 2: We both He was a drummer, I was a guitar player.
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  Speaker 2: It made sense.
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  Speaker 6: So we started playing some just writing some songs, and
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  Speaker 6: you know, like Tooth and Nail had just really begun.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I think PET I.
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  Speaker 4: Think is when Brandon started it. I think officially ninety
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  Speaker 4: four is when they officially launched as a label. But yeah,
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  Speaker 4: he was like starting at ninety three.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because we.
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  Speaker 6: Had like Pat and the Fish I remember in Starflyer
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  Speaker 6: for the nine was at Silver Like there was a
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  Speaker 6: few of those early playing like so we loved all that.
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  Speaker 6: It like totally struck a chord, so as we and
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  Speaker 6: when we met the other guys over the course of
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  Speaker 6: the next few months and we just started playing.
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  Speaker 2: But part of we were at Bible College. We were
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  Speaker 2: at Kentucky Christian College is where we met.
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  Speaker 6: Kind of funny fact is that's where Audio Adrenaline met
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  Speaker 6: a couple of years before us. And it was a
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  Speaker 6: school of like six hundred kids, so it's not like
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  Speaker 6: it's some big university and there was no music program,
• 15:32
  Speaker 6: which was I mean outside of there was a choir program.
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  Speaker 2: So we all went.
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  Speaker 4: I was like, what are the chances that two bands
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  Speaker 4: that like come out of there.
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  Speaker 6: It's wild. It's kind of wild. But so we just
• 15:43
  Speaker 6: started playing together. And you know, because it was a
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  Speaker 6: ministry school, a lot of our friends had like youth
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  Speaker 6: ministries on the weekends, and so we would go play
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  Speaker 6: a show for their youth ministry. And one of the
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  Speaker 6: things that Casey it's Casey U now Kentucky Christian University,
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  Speaker 6: but one of the deal at the time was you
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  Speaker 6: had to have so many service points to graduate, like,
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  Speaker 6: you know, whether it was serving the community where So
• 16:05
  Speaker 6: me and Matt and Day were like, hey, what.
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  Speaker 2: I wonder if they would let us count these shows
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  Speaker 2: as like service points. So and we talked.
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  Speaker 6: So we talked through the administration and they were like, yeah,
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  Speaker 6: we'll let you do that, which was super cool. So
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  Speaker 6: we would just go play these shows and we were
• 16:20
  Speaker 6: you know, it was helping us towards our goal of graduating,
• 16:22
  Speaker 6: having no idea that we would be going, you know,
• 16:26
  Speaker 6: that that what the rest of the story would look like.
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: I was going to be a youth pastor.
• 16:30
  Speaker 6: And I mean we were all studying you know, ministry
• 16:33
  Speaker 6: or business and and so yeah. Man, so all of
• 16:36
  Speaker 6: a sudden, like we we did a demo and then
• 16:40
  Speaker 6: the next summer, Barry Blair, who was the guitar player
• 16:43
  Speaker 6: at the time for Audio Drone, he had heard a
• 16:47
  Speaker 6: demo and reached out to us and asked if if
• 16:50
  Speaker 6: he if we would want to work with him and
• 16:52
  Speaker 6: have him produce another another few songs, and we were
• 16:56
  Speaker 6: like heck yeah, Like it was like the golden ticket.
• 16:59
  Speaker 6: It felt like like this is the opportunity, and so.
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: We did it.
• 17:03
  Speaker 6: And I'm real glad that that that one didn't go
• 17:06
  Speaker 6: too far because we didn't know how to tune a guitar.
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: I mean, there was it was, it was rough, but
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: somehow it made it to Forefront and Eddie Degarmoa there
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: at Forefront, and Eddie heard something in those songs. There
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: was a song called Epidermis Girl, which was on our
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: first record, the demo of that.
• 17:24
  Speaker 6: So he came and saw us a few times. And
• 17:26
  Speaker 6: then at the end of our junior year. It was
• 17:28
  Speaker 6: the end of Davy sophomore year and me and Matt's
• 17:30
  Speaker 6: junior Yeah, he offered us a deal and and so
• 17:35
  Speaker 6: that was kind of the beginning.
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: Did you guys know the Audio Adrenaline guys, I mean
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: or were they like were they kind of like did
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: they not overlap with you guys? Like, well, it's a relationship.
• 17:47
  Speaker 6: So it was funny because we knew them because you know,
• 17:50
  Speaker 6: the Christian churchurch of christ World was pretty small as far.
• 17:53
  Speaker 6: I mean, I thought it was the biggest thing ever,
• 17:55
  Speaker 6: but it wasn't. And so you know, they from the
• 17:57
  Speaker 6: same school, but we went to a lot of the
• 17:59
  Speaker 6: conferences and stuff that they would play at and there's
• 18:02
  Speaker 6: a couple of really big churches in that brotherhood, Southeast
• 18:06
  Speaker 6: and Louisville and Southland and Lexington. So we were all
• 18:09
  Speaker 6: kind of uh and just kind of we would see
• 18:12
  Speaker 6: them all the time at conferences.
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: They were called a one eighty at the time.
• 18:16
  Speaker 6: They weren't audio drilling yet, but that's what that's who
• 18:18
  Speaker 6: became audio drilling and so yeah, No, it was a
• 18:22
  Speaker 6: couple of years separated our time at school, so it
• 18:25
  Speaker 6: was just it just happened to kind of, you know,
• 18:28
  Speaker 6: happen that way. We didn't cross over in that way
• 18:31
  Speaker 6: at all.
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: So it wasn't like they kind of just were like
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: they took you under your wing or their wing and
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: like made this signing happen or whatever.
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: No, No, not at all.
• 18:39
  Speaker 6: It was just kind of a you know, I don't
• 18:41
  Speaker 6: want to say it fluke, but it was just one
• 18:42
  Speaker 6: of those things that just, you know, everything kind of
• 18:45
  Speaker 6: worked out in that way. Yeah, it wasn't like we
• 18:47
  Speaker 6: were we didn't know each other. Really, we knew I
• 18:49
  Speaker 6: knew them. They didn't know me, you know at the time,
• 18:52
  Speaker 6: just because I was, you know, a high school kid
• 18:55
  Speaker 6: that was loving their their concerts at conference, right.
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, what what was it like for your families? You know,
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: you're coming back home, you're doing this band thing, You're
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: going through school and you know, I'm sure you guys
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: are like on pace to graduate, but yeah, what was
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: it like for you guys to get to a point
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: where it's like, well, mom, Dad, like this is actually
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: kind of becoming the thing now, Like I'm not actually
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: just gonna go on and become a full time youth pastor,
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: like I'm actually going to do music. Like what was
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: it like to go back home and break that news
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: to the families?
• 19:23
  Speaker 6: Well, it's funny you say that, because that was actually
• 19:25
  Speaker 6: a really important piece in the story. Was because we
• 19:30
  Speaker 6: were all in college and it was a you know,
• 19:32
  Speaker 6: private university, so it wasn't cheap, and you know, our
• 19:35
  Speaker 6: parents had all invested a lot of a lot of
• 19:37
  Speaker 6: money into our education. So Eddie would not sign us
• 19:42
  Speaker 6: unless all of our parents agreed to the signow.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: So I mean, even though we were legally adults.
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you're like, probably what twenty two at this point?
• 19:51
  Speaker 6: I was I think I was nineteen or twenty. We
• 19:53
  Speaker 6: were pretty young. I okay twenty when he signed, Yeah,
• 19:58
  Speaker 6: I was maybe twenty twenty one and so yeah, so
• 20:02
  Speaker 6: they but I always just you know, now as a
• 20:05
  Speaker 6: you know, a father of adult kids, and I appreciate,
• 20:08
  Speaker 6: I appreciate that that you know, that that he he
• 20:12
  Speaker 6: wasn't just willing to just pull us out of this
• 20:15
  Speaker 6: investment our parents had made, like it was. I think
• 20:17
  Speaker 6: he really wanted to make sure it was something that
• 20:19
  Speaker 6: we were really after, but also that our parents understood
• 20:22
  Speaker 6: that hey, this you know, you know, I know, you've
• 20:25
  Speaker 6: made a big investment, and there's probably more investment you're
• 20:28
  Speaker 6: you're signing up for with these guys. And they the
• 20:32
  Speaker 6: parents were amazing, and so they all had to sign
• 20:35
  Speaker 6: off on it.
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: Though that's cool. I appreciate somebody that, like, you know,
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: they foresee that as like, hey, this is this is
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: going to be important for these nineteen twenty twenty one
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: year olds. Milam, How did you get roped into the band?
• 20:48
  Speaker 4: It sounds like you came on just a little later a.
• 20:51
  Speaker 5: Few years later. Yeah, So I was in ninety nine,
• 20:55
  Speaker 5: I toured with these guys. I was playing guitar for
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: an artist named Miss Angie and we were direct support
• 21:04
  Speaker 5: on Bleach's Fall tour in ninety nine, and so, uh,
• 21:09
  Speaker 5: we had crossed paths maybe like once or twice before that,
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: but you know, being on the road together for three
• 21:14
  Speaker 5: months straight, they just instantly felt like brothers. And the
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: guy that was playing guitar for them at the time,
• 21:20
  Speaker 5: Russ Fox, got off the road right after that tour
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: because he had his first baby and wanted to wanted
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: to be home, and so they called me and I
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: happily joined soon after that. They just called and said, hey,
• 21:37
  Speaker 5: we've got some festivals in the spring, can you help
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: us out? And it happened really quick after that, right.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: That.
• 21:46
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it was awesome.
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: Is that how your brother got involved to because you know,
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: I know he was, you know, kind of a longtime drummer.
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: So what did your did you did? Was it so
• 22:00
  Speaker 4: of like a sort of a pairing where it's like
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: you buy one.
• 22:03
  Speaker 5: You get. Yeah, I mean none of us knew that
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: at the time because Matt was still in the band.
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: I mean I was in the band with Matt for
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: the whole first year. And similarly, like we got to
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: the end of that year and Matt we knew Matt
• 22:20
  Speaker 5: was going to be leaving, and Jared was actually playing
• 22:23
  Speaker 5: for Reliant K at the time. He had moved up
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: to Canton, Ohio, and it's doing stuff with him, and
• 22:29
  Speaker 5: they were already doing like demos and getting ready to
• 22:31
  Speaker 5: record their second record. And I remember he came out
• 22:36
  Speaker 5: to a show in Columbus, Ohio, and we took him
• 22:40
  Speaker 5: out after the show and we're like, hey, I mean,
• 22:43
  Speaker 5: if you want to play drums with us, like, I
• 22:46
  Speaker 5: think that's possible now and love Yeah, and he did.
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: I think he chose his brother over the k guys,
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: which is purely a business decision, was a terrible idea,
• 23:00
  Speaker 5: but yeah, I don't think you've never regretted it. We had.
• 23:04
  Speaker 5: It was great, And Jared and I had been making
• 23:06
  Speaker 5: music together for a while, nothing anybody ever heard, but
• 23:10
  Speaker 5: like writing together and like so a lot of those
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: you know, first Bleach songs when it was like the
• 23:17
  Speaker 5: five of us that signed the Tooth and Nail and
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: made those last three records, a lot of those early
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: ideas where Jared and I bringing stuff to the table
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: from just us, like writing together and jamming together at home.
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: So it was fun to have an outlet and to
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: do it with guys that we just loved. It was
• 23:36
  Speaker 5: just like an instant like brotherhood amongst the poles.
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: So Sam, did you ever have to break up any
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: brother fights?
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: No, I don't think it's crazy. We didn't really fight.
• 23:48
  Speaker 6: I mean we would, like, you know, everybody get pissed
• 23:50
  Speaker 6: or something irritated a little bit, but it was never like,
• 23:54
  Speaker 6: I don't know that we really ever had any huge battles,
• 23:56
  Speaker 6: did we.
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: Jared and I never fought on the road, not that
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: I remember.
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: I don't on the road though, that that's the sipulation
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: right there, right, yeah, yeah, anywhere else fist or flying.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: I mean, there were.
• 24:10
  Speaker 6: Definitely moments, I mean, somebody would get tore up, and
• 24:13
  Speaker 6: you know, but I think we always, like, I'm so
• 24:17
  Speaker 6: thankful we talk about this a lot too, you know,
• 24:19
  Speaker 6: now so many years later that we were willing to
• 24:22
  Speaker 6: like talk about it and squash stuff and like and
• 24:25
  Speaker 6: understand that this is more important than whatever we're battling
• 24:30
  Speaker 6: about or frustrated about. And so we never lost sight
• 24:32
  Speaker 6: of the importance of the community and of the brotherhood
• 24:36
  Speaker 6: and the It's I love that I can say, even
• 24:39
  Speaker 6: after all these years, these guys are still my best friends.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: We all live. Davy lives two blocks from me, you know,
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: and he was over.
• 24:46
  Speaker 6: We hung out today, you know, and Milam is just
• 24:49
  Speaker 6: like you know, at least once or twice a week
• 24:52
  Speaker 6: we're hanging out or getting coffee or something, and so
• 24:55
  Speaker 6: it's just it's just normal and natural and they're my bros.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: You know, So.
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: I love that. Like, you know, obviously we see all
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: the time, like bands breaking up because of largely because
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: of you know, fights either with among themselves or you know,
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: with label or whatever. It's always cool when you hear
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: bands that like still love each other maybe even love
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: like the label that they were on, and you know,
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: you know, I don't know why I'm reminded of this
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: right now, but like I know, like Oasis is on
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: tour and it's like, yeah, man, that just is notorious
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: for the fact that they break out the tour because
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: of fights, you know. And so it's it's cool when
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: you see bands that I actually, at the end of
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: the day like they're still best friends because being in
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: a band, like you know, Colin and I hear this
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: all the time, like, you know, especially with a lot
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: of guys that you know have moved on. You know,
• 25:43
  Speaker 4: I'm sure you guys are kind of the same place
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: where it's like you move on in life, you end
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: up getting married, have kids or whatever, and you realize,
• 25:49
  Speaker 4: like you know, marriage is you know, its own thing, right,
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: but you kind of like to some degree when you're
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: like nineteen twenty twenty one years old and you're in
• 25:57
  Speaker 4: the same van together for maybe two hundred days a year, Yeah,
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: you learn, you learned that like that to some degree
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: is kind of like a marriage.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: And you learn how to like you learn how to
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: love each other well, you'll learn how to fight fight
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: each other well, and you just learn that. And so
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: I'm sure there's a lot of lessons for you for
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: you guys, like even you know, moving on and getting
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: married by just being in a band because you're just
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: in close approximate proximity and you're in a tight relationship
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: with people.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: That's right.
• 26:23
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's so true, man, so true. And because I mean, yeah,
• 26:28
  Speaker 6: they're really good training. But it's a yeah, like I
• 26:32
  Speaker 6: just I mean, I nothing was ever more important I
• 26:36
  Speaker 6: think than the relationship.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: Like we never we never elevated.
• 26:39
  Speaker 6: Things past that, Like like that was you know, some
• 26:43
  Speaker 6: of the highest value in it was that we get
• 26:46
  Speaker 6: get to do this together and that we get to
• 26:48
  Speaker 6: like love people together this way and create you know,
• 26:51
  Speaker 6: fun or dumb or whatever songs that maybe encourage and
• 26:54
  Speaker 6: so I feel like through you know, yeah, there's hard moments,
• 26:59
  Speaker 6: but that we that we didn't lose sight of that
• 27:01
  Speaker 6: at least as a as a group, you know, and
• 27:03
  Speaker 6: I'm really thankful for that because you do hear a
• 27:05
  Speaker 6: lot of the other stories.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: Right right.
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, So I'd love to kind of dive into you know,
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: you mentioned that you early on got signed to Forefront,
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: and when I think of Forefront, and maybe it's just
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: my own like bias of like when I came up
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: listening to music, but you know, I think a Forefront
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: is kind of like pretty like traditional Christian music around
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: just like yeah, very CCM. And maybe maybe it was
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: like that when you guys first got signed. But then
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: you guys obviously move on to Tooth and Nail, and
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: you still move on to Tooth and Nail at a
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: point where Tooth and Nail still was having a lot
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: of like indie bands, a lot of punk bands, a
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: lot of alternative bands, and I'm curious, like this is
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: a thought that I've had, and maybe this doesn't like
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: come through on the studio recordings, but maybe it does.
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: But like, did you guys think moving from Forefront to
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: tooth and Nail. Did you feel like there was some
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: sort of sense of freedom around like maybe we can
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: go more indie or more alternative or more punk or
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: whatever that was, Like, did there feel like there was
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: some sort of freedom from like a sound standpoint that
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: you could like change your sound a little bit. Yeah,
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: I'm just curious around that.
• 28:10
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's a great question for part of part of
• 28:13
  Speaker 6: that because we did three Do we need three records
• 28:16
  Speaker 6: with Forefront?
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 28:18
  Speaker 6: Our first three were with Forefront, And what we kind
• 28:21
  Speaker 6: of talk about is like, honestly, it feels like our
• 28:23
  Speaker 6: first two records are our demos, you know, like.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: Our first record.
• 28:28
  Speaker 6: You know, you have your whole life to write your
• 28:29
  Speaker 6: first record, and so and then you don't have any
• 28:32
  Speaker 6: idea what you're doing. So you know, at least at
• 28:34
  Speaker 6: that point, you know, in the early nineties, you know,
• 28:37
  Speaker 6: we and it was cool because I think people were
• 28:40
  Speaker 6: trying things and it was kind of a bit of
• 28:42
  Speaker 6: a wild West, you know, right in a cool way.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: So we just we were just we wrote the songs
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: that we wrote.
• 28:48
  Speaker 6: Then when we got in the studio or when we
• 28:50
  Speaker 6: after our first record, it's like, oh wait, we have
• 28:53
  Speaker 6: to have another record out.
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: Here in a few months or a year or whatever.
• 28:56
  Speaker 6: And so then there's kind of the pressure of learning
• 28:58
  Speaker 6: how to write in that way, like write songs. And
• 29:02
  Speaker 6: at that point, you know, definitely in CCM, there's a
• 29:05
  Speaker 6: there was a big push for like, you know, having
• 29:08
  Speaker 6: enough Jesus Is in your songs or have it you know,
• 29:11
  Speaker 6: and just kind of you know, that whole thing.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: But also, I don't.
• 29:16
  Speaker 6: Know, a lot of pressure to have a great second
• 29:18
  Speaker 6: like your sophomore relief. That's why, you know, the idea
• 29:20
  Speaker 6: of the sophomore slump used to be a big thing,
• 29:23
  Speaker 6: like you don't want to have a sophomore slump, And
• 29:25
  Speaker 6: so it was I felt like we felt a lot
• 29:27
  Speaker 6: of pressure to write songs that and I don't like
• 29:30
  Speaker 6: that record has gone on and done you know, awesome
• 29:33
  Speaker 6: things like Static did. But I think I know for
• 29:36
  Speaker 6: me where I was at during that time, there was
• 29:39
  Speaker 6: I was just conflicted a little bit about like what
• 29:42
  Speaker 6: we were the songs you were writing, versus who we
• 29:44
  Speaker 6: felt like we were. And so for our third record
• 29:46
  Speaker 6: on Forefront, we weren't very smart. We told we're like, look,
• 29:52
  Speaker 6: this is where kind of the free we really started
• 29:54
  Speaker 6: to experience the need for that more of that freedom
• 29:56
  Speaker 6: and understanding the importance that we kind of told hey, like,
• 30:00
  Speaker 6: we're not worried about radio for this record. We're just
• 30:02
  Speaker 6: gonna write songs that we love. And they're like okay,
• 30:05
  Speaker 6: And then they gave our budget to another band, you know,
• 30:08
  Speaker 6: because I guess you're not supposed to say things like
• 30:10
  Speaker 6: that to your record label.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: But it was okay because that.
• 30:13
  Speaker 6: Third record, which is our self titled, feels like I
• 30:16
  Speaker 6: think from that on feels like we figured out who
• 30:19
  Speaker 6: we are.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: Does that make sense?
• 30:22
  Speaker 6: So it was just a lot of learning in those
• 30:23
  Speaker 6: first couple and hopefully taking from those and then learning
• 30:28
  Speaker 6: how to become who we were, you know, who we
• 30:30
  Speaker 6: are as artists.
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: So yeah, I'll have to say, like, I definitely think
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: your Tooth Andnail releases, at least for me, are some
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: of my more favorite. Like no, I would imagine maybe
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: to some degree, like your Forefront ones might be a
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: little bit more commercially successful, but at least for me
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: as a listener of you know, especially somebody who loved
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: Tooth and Nail, especially kind of mid two thousands tooth
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: and Nail stuff that pretty much anything that was coming
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: out at that time. I just it captured my ear
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: a little bit more than any of the early Forefront stuff.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: When we signed A Tooth and Nail, I mean three
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: out of five of us were new to the band,
• 31:09
  Speaker 5: Like we had never been on a Bleach record before that,
• 31:12
  Speaker 5: and so you're naturally going to hear because it was
• 31:15
  Speaker 5: such a collaborative process for us, Like rarely did anybody
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: walk in with like even a song that was fifty written,
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: you know, like we would work it out like literally
• 31:30
  Speaker 5: in a in a shed and in a rehearsal space
• 31:33
  Speaker 5: that was a storage unit, like late late nights, and
• 31:39
  Speaker 5: spent a lot of time working on those songs. But
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: I mean we brought in different probably different influences, but
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: also we signed A Tooth and Nail with the thought that,
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: like they're not going to be looking over our shoulder
• 31:55
  Speaker 5: and we're just going to make what we're going to make.
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: And I mean we literally just handed in the record,
• 32:01
  Speaker 5: like there was no like where's the single, go back
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: and do two more, like we had all been through
• 32:08
  Speaker 5: that before. But that was not the case with I mean,
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: and we were pretty I mean we negotiated pretty a
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: pretty long time with Brandon to make sure we had
• 32:19
  Speaker 5: the freedom. And he was great though, I mean he
• 32:23
  Speaker 5: he really honored it, you know, and he let us
• 32:27
  Speaker 5: make the record we wanted to make, and we worked
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: with the engineer and the producer we wanted to and
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: I think I think there's a noticeable difference, but I mean,
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: naturally it's going to be if you know, sixty percent
• 32:40
  Speaker 5: of your band or are different guys, you know, and
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: Sam and Dave were always great because they they definitely
• 32:47
  Speaker 5: weren't like, no, this is this is what we do,
• 32:51
  Speaker 5: like we don't want you guys to input on this,
• 32:53
  Speaker 5: or we don't we don't we don't want to go
• 32:55
  Speaker 5: too far in that direction or whatever. It was like, No,
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: that that was just it's literally like a a snapshot
• 33:03
  Speaker 5: of like who we were as a group at that
• 33:06
  Speaker 5: time when we made any of those records.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: So that's right.
• 33:10
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I still look back on all all
• 33:12
  Speaker 5: those Tooth and Nail releases very fondly because because of that,
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: you know, like, yeah, we truly were doing what we
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: wanted to do.
• 33:21
  Speaker 6: So yeah, and we had I think our experience with
• 33:24
  Speaker 6: Tooth and Nail was great, like Mom said, you know,
• 33:27
  Speaker 6: it was there was a lot of all the freedom
• 33:31
  Speaker 6: and not only that, but I feel like there was
• 33:32
  Speaker 6: a lot of trust too, in the sense that you know,
• 33:36
  Speaker 6: there wasn't there wasn't a lot of back and forth.
• 33:38
  Speaker 6: They would just you know, they would encourage, you know,
• 33:41
  Speaker 6: they'd have feedback and stuff, but it felt like encouragement,
• 33:44
  Speaker 6: not like you need to do this or that. And yeah,
• 33:48
  Speaker 6: so it was for for me, I've always looked it's been.
• 33:51
  Speaker 6: It was a great experience with with them. I mean,
• 33:55
  Speaker 6: and it's business. You're gonna have your ups and downs
• 33:56
  Speaker 6: in your moments where you know you're having to negotiate
• 33:59
  Speaker 6: and and you know, you know, can can battle a
• 34:01
  Speaker 6: little bit. But it always felt like everybody was for
• 34:04
  Speaker 6: each other in that even rather than too you know,
• 34:09
  Speaker 6: it was trying to fight for the best things.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and he always on it, like Brandon.
• 34:13
  Speaker 6: All, you know, if it was doable, he would you know,
• 34:17
  Speaker 6: and to the Nail and Tyson and guys like they
• 34:18
  Speaker 6: would help, they would get it done.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: You know. So we had a really good experience.
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, It's it's always interesting to like talk with different bands,
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: especially a lot of bands that come from the tooth
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: and nail world of you know, some some have a
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: certainly a different experience with the label, and and some
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: like yourselves, like have a really positive experience, and so
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: it's just always interesting to hear. I kind of wonder
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: if like the fact that you guys had maybe some
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: sort of like established you were sort of established at
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: that point, because you guys had been a band for
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: at least five years at that point, right, Yeah, And
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: so I wonder if the fact that you had a
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: few albums under your belt, you were signed, you were
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: already signed a Forefront, he'd been around for at least
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: a half decade at that point. I wonder if that
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: kind of just like gives you a little bit more
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: credibility where you have a little bit more power within
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: the label. I wonder if that I wonder if that
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: like shapes the way you maybe experienced that, which is great, great,
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: Like I'm glad that that happened.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it probably. I'm sure there was something too that.
• 35:15
  Speaker 6: I mean, because you know, we had some you know,
• 35:17
  Speaker 6: good sales that we were bringing to the to the
• 35:20
  Speaker 6: table and so like yeah, yeah, but.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's all.
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I just like especially around that time, like a
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: lot of that like late nineties early two thousand's kind
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: of alternate music that you guys were tapping into. It
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: was just you know, I just there was so much
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: good like you know, from obviously there, you know, there
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: was the classic like you know, if you like Blank
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: secular band, you'll like Blank Christian Man. But I do
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: think like from Tooth and Nail, I would imagine like
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: they kind of saw them, like, saw you guys as
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: kind of this like on the label, they saw you
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: guys as like, here's our answer to in a lot
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: of the good altern you know actually like you know,
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: radioheads coming up, you know, late nineties, you know, popular
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: obviously early two thousands. Yeah, you think of a lot
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: of that other like alternative rock that was coming out
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: at that time that that would have been yeah, Weezer, Yeah,
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: kind of in the vein that you guys were were in.
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: I think, you know, I'm sure Tooth and Nail kind
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: of saw you guys as one of their sort of
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: you know, their kind of you know, versions or answers
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: to that. And you know, obviously there was a lot
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: of people that were you know, cared a lot about
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: your music at that time, and did you guys ever
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: like sense that there was maybe a fan shift, like
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: you're talking a little bit about maybe there's like a
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: freedom of sound kind of shift that was happening with
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: the transition change. Do you feel like that actually manifested
• 36:42
  Speaker 4: in the in who your fans were, Like, did you
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: go from like a bunch of like sixteen year old
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: youth group kids to like college age kids, Like, what
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: was that? What was the fan shift that happened potentially
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: from Forefront to Tooth and Nail.
• 37:01
  Speaker 5: Can't tell Sam's gonna answer this or not.
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I think.
• 37:05
  Speaker 6: I was.
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: But yeah, for you, Milam.
• 37:07
  Speaker 5: There definitely was a shift. I mean, we were touring
• 37:13
  Speaker 5: with you know more. You know, we toured with Reliant Kay,
• 37:18
  Speaker 5: we toured with hot Rod Circuit, we toured with five
• 37:21
  Speaker 5: Ron Frenzy, Like you know, that was a shift in
• 37:26
  Speaker 5: and of itself where we were playing general market clubs
• 37:30
  Speaker 5: and rooms and I think in the nineties those guys
• 37:36
  Speaker 5: with Forefront were playing a ton of youth conferences and
• 37:39
  Speaker 5: you know, and we would still do that stuff. We
• 37:41
  Speaker 5: weren't against it, you know, we weren't running away from it.
• 37:44
  Speaker 5: But I feel like the opportunities did change once we
• 37:47
  Speaker 5: got the Tooth and Nail and and and as a
• 37:52
  Speaker 5: result of that, like started seeing different crowds and you
• 37:56
  Speaker 5: know when you're on tour with those with bands like
• 37:59
  Speaker 5: Five Iron and line Ky, like we want we want
• 38:03
  Speaker 5: those fans to be fans of us too. I mean
• 38:06
  Speaker 5: that's the role that you're playing. And so yeah, that
• 38:10
  Speaker 5: was fun.
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: I love that. What caused just the hiatus? Like, I mean,
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: you know, I know you kind of came into the
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: band a little later, but these guys had been around
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: in the band for you know, almost five years before you.
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: Was it just simply you guys were just kind of
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: in different time periods of your life and you're kind
• 38:26
  Speaker 4: of ready for the next thing in life. I'm sure
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: people were getting married, kids are starting to happen. Yeah,
• 38:30
  Speaker 4: but yeah, was it truly just that or what was
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: there more to it? Like I'm just curious, like what
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: what caused at least like hiatus breakup stuff?
• 38:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah? Yeah, I mean that's the short answer for sure.
• 38:41
  Speaker 5: That's all that was all real. Like Sam and Dave
• 38:44
  Speaker 5: had already been married five six years at that time,
• 38:48
  Speaker 5: maybe seven, So this would have been like late two
• 38:51
  Speaker 5: thousand and three when we made that decision, and then
• 38:53
  Speaker 5: we toured all of four to finish it out. Jared
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: and I had lost our brother in Iraq in two
• 39:01
  Speaker 5: thousand and three, so that happened in July, and Davy's
• 39:07
  Speaker 5: the one that came to me. We were in Europe
• 39:11
  Speaker 5: touring and at the end of O three and we
• 39:16
  Speaker 5: took a walk and he just said, man, I'm I
• 39:18
  Speaker 5: think I'm done. And so I was feeling that too,
• 39:22
  Speaker 5: because I didn't understand at all what I was going through,
• 39:24
  Speaker 5: having just lost my brother a few months earlier, and
• 39:28
  Speaker 5: so it felt like a relief to me, like oh, okay, yeah,
• 39:32
  Speaker 5: let's let's take a break. I need to get off
• 39:36
  Speaker 5: the road and think. And I was getting married like
• 39:38
  Speaker 5: a month later, so yeah, life. I mean, I think
• 39:43
  Speaker 5: there are two like you know when you're when you're
• 39:46
  Speaker 5: raising a family, you're married, or like in my case,
• 39:50
  Speaker 5: I was about to get married. And I think we
• 39:53
  Speaker 5: had we had kind of felt like we were we
• 39:56
  Speaker 5: were surviving, but we didn't really feel like we were
• 39:59
  Speaker 5: like growing, and it was more like we were gone
• 40:05
  Speaker 5: all the time. We weren't weren't quite in the position
• 40:09
  Speaker 5: where we could kind of dictate like how many days
• 40:13
  Speaker 5: a year we were going to tour or like hey,
• 40:16
  Speaker 5: let's take a bus everywhere we go. So some family
• 40:19
  Speaker 5: can join us when they when they want to, Like
• 40:24
  Speaker 5: we were just in that really tough middle ground, and
• 40:29
  Speaker 5: probably at the time, like in hindsight, probably a little
• 40:32
  Speaker 5: short sighted of like, well, if we can't do it
• 40:35
  Speaker 5: all in, then we just can't do it, you know, like,
• 40:38
  Speaker 5: but that was just where we were in that season,
• 40:42
  Speaker 5: and there really wasn't I mean, I think were we
• 40:45
  Speaker 5: all could kind of feel it. It was a you know,
• 40:48
  Speaker 5: without going too far into it, it was a heavy
• 40:51
  Speaker 5: year for all of us, so I think we all
• 40:54
  Speaker 5: kind of felt like, yeah, let's pick a date to
• 40:58
  Speaker 5: end this, to be done. But then we stopped touring
• 41:02
  Speaker 5: and we made we made our last record, and we
• 41:06
  Speaker 5: we went in the studio, turned in a turned in
• 41:08
  Speaker 5: a record and never toured it and and kind of
• 41:12
  Speaker 5: wrote off into the sunset that way. It was a
• 41:14
  Speaker 5: little bit of a different story, you know, like we
• 41:18
  Speaker 5: did we did keep going for about another year after that.
• 41:21
  Speaker 4: But right, did it feel like at that point, especially
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: once out that last album came out, did it feel like,
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: all right, this is done, this will never happen again,
• 41:31
  Speaker 4: or was it was there kind of always in the
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: back of the mind, like if we could maybe figure
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: this out and the you know, years later we would
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: be willing to do that, Like was that a possibility
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: or at that time, was it like we're done forever.
• 41:46
  Speaker 5: I don't think any of us thought we were done forever.
• 41:50
  Speaker 5: I don't. I don't think anybody had any idea of
• 41:53
  Speaker 5: like how that would look. But no, I don't think
• 41:58
  Speaker 5: any of us thought it was over forever. But I
• 42:02
  Speaker 5: mean we we would play shows, like if there was opportunity,
• 42:07
  Speaker 5: we would not say no to it, but it has
• 42:10
  Speaker 5: to be a well coordinated effort, you know, like like
• 42:14
  Speaker 5: we've played shows, but until recently, I mean this year,
• 42:20
  Speaker 5: it kind of feels like the first time since that
• 42:24
  Speaker 5: last record came out where everybody is like, Okay, it's time,
• 42:29
  Speaker 5: Like we don't know exactly what this is going to
• 42:32
  Speaker 5: look like or how this works anymore, because we didn't
• 42:36
  Speaker 5: have social media, streaming didn't exist. Like we come from
• 42:40
  Speaker 5: a whole nother era of making music and touring and
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: all that. Literally, but there's still that unity, you know.
• 42:48
  Speaker 5: It's like fam said, I mean, we're all still like
• 42:52
  Speaker 5: these guys are my best friends in the world, Like
• 42:54
  Speaker 5: they're like family, Like my kids call them uncles. One
• 42:57
  Speaker 5: literally is an uncle but they're all nuncles. But like, so,
• 43:01
  Speaker 5: I mean, it's not like we ever stopped like seeing
• 43:05
  Speaker 5: each other hanging out. It's just we haven't made music
• 43:09
  Speaker 5: a part of that in a lot of years, you know. Yeah,
• 43:13
  Speaker 5: And so I think everybody agrees that now it's now
• 43:17
  Speaker 5: the time, whatever that looks like or however often I
• 43:22
  Speaker 5: think we're all just really like ready for it and
• 43:25
  Speaker 5: feels right love that.
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: So milam, as you're talking, what I'm hearing from you
• 43:32
  Speaker 4: is like, you know, at that time in two thousand
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: and five, you know, making music touring, it wasn't going
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: to work anymore, but it didn't sound like it was
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: going to be forever, or at least maybe didn't hope
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: that it would be forever. And it sounds like at
• 43:46
  Speaker 4: least what you're alluding to now is that, you know,
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: maybe there's a possibility that you know, with where you
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: all are at in life, it makes a little bit
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: more sense to maybe start to explore what it would
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: look like in your guys' relationship to make music again.
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: And so yeah, I'm just kind of curious, like is
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: that a possibility maybe, like could we maybe as Bleach
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: fans in the world, could we expect more Bleach music,
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: or at least maybe expect maybe more shows. Yeah, I'm
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: just kind of curious, like what does that look like
• 44:14
  Speaker 4: for you all moving forward, or at least has there
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: been a conversation about what that could look like for
• 44:19
  Speaker 4: you all moving forward?
• 44:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah, there's been a lot. Yeah, yeah, a lot.
• 44:25
  Speaker 6: Real, Yeah, it's it's yeah really, I was just probably
• 44:30
  Speaker 6: in the last couple of months as it really kind
• 44:31
  Speaker 6: of all started to like like make sense, and I
• 44:36
  Speaker 6: think everybody kind of hitting the same stride at the
• 44:38
  Speaker 6: same pace. Yeah, for sure going to be shows, I
• 44:42
  Speaker 6: would say, for sure gonna be music. So we're we're
• 44:47
  Speaker 6: gearing up for we're kind of in the conversation about
• 44:51
  Speaker 6: a thirty year. Next year will be thirty years for us,
• 44:54
  Speaker 6: and so like doing a thirtieth anniversary tour. So there's
• 44:57
  Speaker 6: a lot of Yeah, there's a lot of conversation happening.
• 45:00
  Speaker 6: We don't have anything locked down yet, but that's that's
• 45:04
  Speaker 6: that's where it's headed. Yeah, we're really excited that to
• 45:08
  Speaker 6: get out there and see old friends and you know, just.
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: Have some fun.
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: Has there been like a lot of sharing of like
• 45:14
  Speaker 4: little you know, like you got you guys are playing
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: some guitar hooks and you're like, that sounds kind of
• 45:18
  Speaker 4: like bleach. What do you think about that? Mylam Mylon's
• 45:20
  Speaker 4: playing a little little guitar bit sends it over to you, Sam,
• 45:24
  Speaker 4: He's probably like, hey, how does that sound? Sam? Is
• 45:27
  Speaker 4: that a little bit of that happening right now?
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 45:30
  Speaker 5: It is. We have we have a drop box that
• 45:35
  Speaker 5: is so full it's too cool. I feel like we
• 45:39
  Speaker 5: could make a first record again because there are so
• 45:42
  Speaker 5: many ideas and I don't know if any of them
• 45:46
  Speaker 5: are good, but we've there. There's been a lot of
• 45:49
  Speaker 5: bouncing back and forth, and so there's a lot of
• 45:52
  Speaker 5: material there. And you know, like when you take when
• 45:57
  Speaker 5: you take a twenty year break, a lot of life happened. Yeah,
• 46:02
  Speaker 5: So there's like I remember moments of like I don't
• 46:05
  Speaker 5: even know what we're writing about right now, you know,
• 46:07
  Speaker 5: like here we are again, like we're we got to
• 46:11
  Speaker 5: do another record, and that is not the case right now.
• 46:14
  Speaker 5: There's you know, a lot of life is happening and
• 46:18
  Speaker 5: a lot's changed, you know, So yeah, that makes it
• 46:22
  Speaker 5: real fun.
• 46:24
  Speaker 4: Well, I'm I'm looking forward to that. That sounds just
• 46:27
  Speaker 4: like what the world needs right now. It's a little
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: bit more Bleach music. So I'm just saying, so whenever
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: that will happen, maybe that's sometime next year, maybe it's
• 46:36
  Speaker 4: a year after, but you know, hopefully at some point
• 46:38
  Speaker 4: that Bleach will make some new music, because I can
• 46:41
  Speaker 4: assure you there's plenty of people out there in the
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: world that are like they're they're looking for it.
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: Oh man, thank you bro. Yeah, it's fun.
• 46:50
  Speaker 6: We're just having a lot of fun too, you know,
• 46:52
  Speaker 6: just enjoying creating together again. It's been a long time
• 46:56
  Speaker 6: since we've done that, you know, so.
• 46:59
  Speaker 4: I bet it does it feel like kind of riding
• 47:01
  Speaker 4: a bike where it just like kind of comes back
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: natural or is it kind of feel like you you
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: got a little you gotta get on those training wheels
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: again for just a little bit to make it feel natural.
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: I'm just curious, like, what what does that like again
• 47:11
  Speaker 4: for you guys.
• 47:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it takes some time, it does.
• 47:16
  Speaker 6: Yeah, it's yeah, yeah, we took I mean we've been
• 47:20
  Speaker 6: like probably for the last what three or four months,
• 47:22
  Speaker 6: been getting together some like, you know, getting getting coffee
• 47:27
  Speaker 6: is talking and dreaming and on Tuesday mornings and then
• 47:30
  Speaker 6: whenever we've been able to on Tuesday evening, just getting
• 47:33
  Speaker 6: together down here in my basement and writing and so
• 47:35
  Speaker 6: a lot you know.
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: So yeah, so it's just kind of kind of.
• 47:38
  Speaker 6: Building and seeing what seeing what what can happen with it,
• 47:42
  Speaker 6: you know, and where I'm really excited about some of
• 47:45
  Speaker 6: the songs that and some yeah, some of the songs
• 47:48
  Speaker 6: that have come in the last you know, twenty years
• 47:50
  Speaker 6: of like Moham said, just a lot of life. And
• 47:53
  Speaker 6: you know, when I when I stopped touring journey, my
• 47:56
  Speaker 6: oldest son was two.
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: He's twenty four now.
• 47:59
  Speaker 6: You know, Like, so there's there's a lot of like
• 48:02
  Speaker 6: I'm going to be a grandpa and oh.
• 48:04
  Speaker 4: You you're going to be a grandpa. If my grandpa
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: looked like you when he was a grandpa, I would
• 48:10
  Speaker 4: have been so stoked as a child. I'm just saying,
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: thanks man.
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 48:17
  Speaker 6: Yeah, so just a lot of fun. Like there's so
• 48:20
  Speaker 6: much fun for like, you know, in our family and
• 48:23
  Speaker 6: life right now. Just a lot of new and exciting
• 48:25
  Speaker 6: and yeah, just really excited to share that. God think man,
• 48:31
  Speaker 6: you know, I just I'm excited to be able to
• 48:33
  Speaker 6: hopefully bring a little bit of hope into the world
• 48:35
  Speaker 6: and and just encourage, you know, and have fun but
• 48:39
  Speaker 6: also you know there, I think there's important conversations to have.
• 48:43
  Speaker 4: And and the only hope I'm getting from you right
• 48:46
  Speaker 4: now is that I look like you when i'm grandpa age.
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: I'm just saying, holy cow, I went to college with
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: people that looked older than you, and you're almost your grandpa.
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: That blows my mind.
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: I just fifty one live, so I'm.
• 49:02
  Speaker 4: Wow, dang, that's impressive.
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, thanks man. Yeah, I don't know. I've just
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: been eating my weedies.
• 49:11
  Speaker 4: You're eating your whedies. I mean you you look like
• 49:13
  Speaker 4: you still skateboard.
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: Well I don't. Well, I don't anymore.
• 49:18
  Speaker 6: I had a spinal fusion and about fifteen years ago,
• 49:21
  Speaker 6: so I've had to lay back on something. That's all
• 49:24
  Speaker 6: Davy and I did in college was skateboard and fit. Yeah,
• 49:27
  Speaker 6: and then study, like you know, in our Bible classes.
• 49:30
  Speaker 6: The rest of them we didn't care about. So that
• 49:33
  Speaker 6: was thank god. We did get a record deal about
• 49:36
  Speaker 6: the maybe the only good thing that would have come
• 49:38
  Speaker 6: out of college for us.
• 49:40
  Speaker 4: That's awesome. Well, let's talk a furnace fast, because that's
• 49:42
  Speaker 4: why I brought you guys on is you know, obviously
• 49:44
  Speaker 4: guys are playing furnace Fast. Yeah, super stoked because this
• 49:47
  Speaker 4: is you guy's first Furnace Fest. Milam was just telling
• 49:50
  Speaker 4: me a bit ago he hasn't even been to the
• 49:51
  Speaker 4: festival yet, but yeah, what what what can Bleach fans
• 49:54
  Speaker 4: expect to add to the set for furness Fest.
• 49:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, we'll try to keep up with all those.
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah that's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 50:07
  Speaker 6: We played our first show a couple of a few
• 50:09
  Speaker 6: weeks ago at jack and Jacksonville at murray Hill Theater
• 50:12
  Speaker 6: and so it was kind of it was it was
• 50:14
  Speaker 6: fun to just get back up there and you know,
• 50:18
  Speaker 6: just it was just a totally fun, fun evening and
• 50:21
  Speaker 6: so yeah, I don't know, Malin, what should they expect.
• 50:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah, we still play guitar amps, we put them on stage. Yeah,
• 50:31
  Speaker 5: we're not using any modern thing and so you can
• 50:36
  Speaker 5: expect that. Yeah, we're just trying to throw it back
• 50:39
  Speaker 5: a couple of decades and and have a lot of fun.
• 50:42
  Speaker 5: And I think Furnace is going to have to be
• 50:44
  Speaker 5: a pretty NonStop rock and roll set, So that's what
• 50:50
  Speaker 5: we're planning for absolutely.
• 50:52
  Speaker 4: I mean I've been this is this is my first
• 50:55
  Speaker 4: fifth Furnace Fast and yeah, it's just it's everybody there
• 50:59
  Speaker 4: is just a huge rock and roll fans. So anything
• 51:02
  Speaker 4: that's just gonna be very guitar centric, people are gonna
• 51:05
  Speaker 4: love it. People are gonna freak out.
• 51:07
  Speaker 5: So just saying well, we've also added another guitar player,
• 51:10
  Speaker 5: so we have a triple guitar. Whoa, So you're gonna
• 51:15
  Speaker 5: you're gonna hear guitars.
• 51:16
  Speaker 4: Okay, Well that's that's what matters the most. You know,
• 51:20
  Speaker 4: you guys made you know a little bit of a
• 51:22
  Speaker 4: joke about you know that. You know, there's not gonna
• 51:24
  Speaker 4: be any you know, modern you know, conveniences of music
• 51:29
  Speaker 4: for this festival, for this set. Yeah, the INVEST this
• 51:32
  Speaker 4: is kind of the place where it's just none of
• 51:34
  Speaker 4: that exists anyway. You know, there's there's a lot of metal,
• 51:36
  Speaker 4: there's a lot of punk, there's a lot of alternative,
• 51:39
  Speaker 4: there's a lot of emo, there's a lot of hardcore.
• 51:41
  Speaker 4: There's not much room for a bunch of synthesizers or
• 51:46
  Speaker 4: a bunch of like samples or or looped over whatever,
• 51:49
  Speaker 4: like this is not the place for that. Yeah, not
• 51:53
  Speaker 4: dogging on it. You know, some of that music is
• 51:55
  Speaker 4: great and wonderful. That's just for different festivals and for
• 51:58
  Speaker 4: INVEST is just not one of those.
• 52:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that's we're so looking forward to. It's gonna
• 52:05
  Speaker 5: be a laugh.
• 52:06
  Speaker 4: Well I'm looking forward to too. So yeah, if you're
• 52:08
  Speaker 4: listening right now and here we are, you know, at
• 52:11
  Speaker 4: the beginning of September, and you still have not gotten
• 52:13
  Speaker 4: your tickets, you gotta get those tickets. I'm super stoked
• 52:16
  Speaker 4: to see Bleach among many other bands. Yeah, are you
• 52:19
  Speaker 4: playing on staying around the whole festival weekend? Like, are
• 52:22
  Speaker 4: you hoping to see some other bands while you're there?
• 52:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah? Yeah, for sure. I mean I just saw the
• 52:29
  Speaker 5: schedule come out and my favorite band of the whole
• 52:34
  Speaker 5: lineup is playing right before us. So oh, I'll have
• 52:38
  Speaker 5: to see as Cities burn right, love. I love that
• 52:42
  Speaker 5: band that a lot of years.
• 52:45
  Speaker 4: So what what what guy? You in CITs Burned? That's
• 52:47
  Speaker 4: so funny.
• 52:49
  Speaker 5: Oh, I just love it, man. I saw I saw them.
• 52:53
  Speaker 5: It's probably like whenever Son I loved you at your darkest. Yeah,
• 52:57
  Speaker 5: the first recorded I saw them on tour with the
• 53:01
  Speaker 5: Chariot and I just was instantly like I love these guys,
• 53:05
  Speaker 5: like yes, this rules. It was just like and so
• 53:08
  Speaker 5: I literally work out or run to a very ad
• 53:13
  Speaker 5: Cities Burned Heavy playlist to this day, Like I listened
• 53:17
  Speaker 5: to all of them, so love it.
• 53:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Come Now Sleep is my favorite album of all time,
• 53:21
  Speaker 4: so that I just find that. Yeah, like that's awesome.
• 53:26
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and I love the latest record so good.
• 53:30
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah that last album eighteen maybe came out twenty
• 53:34
  Speaker 4: nineteen when it came out, Yeah, God.
• 53:38
  Speaker 5: Worn it out. I love it so Also Amberlin's play,
• 53:42
  Speaker 5: So we go way back with those guys and be
• 53:45
  Speaker 5: good to see them again. Yeah, they're kind of from
• 53:48
  Speaker 5: our tooth and nail era for sure. Jimmyt World the
• 53:52
  Speaker 5: night before we play. Oh you have an imposter?
• 54:00
  Speaker 4: Who is this?
• 54:02
  Speaker 5: This is Davy?
• 54:03
  Speaker 4: This is our singer, So Davy you just popped on.
• 54:10
  Speaker 4: So if you can, if you're interested, do you do
• 54:14
  Speaker 4: you happen right off the top of your head, do
• 54:16
  Speaker 4: you have a few albums that have maybe shaped you
• 54:19
  Speaker 4: as a person or shaped you as a musician? Uh so,
• 54:24
  Speaker 4: kind of these influential albums do you happen to have
• 54:26
  Speaker 4: any of those? You don't have to think of it
• 54:28
  Speaker 4: right now because mylam has already been prepped on this,
• 54:30
  Speaker 4: but but if you can think of it, just a
• 54:32
  Speaker 4: few albums that you know are like, oh, those are
• 54:35
  Speaker 4: those are the most influential albums in my life? That
• 54:37
  Speaker 4: that would be a good little thing that you can
• 54:39
  Speaker 4: chat about. But mylam, are you ready for your top five?
• 54:44
  Speaker 5: Sure?
• 54:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, let's let's let's dive into it five but I'll
• 54:47
  Speaker 4: give you five, all right, let's well, yeah, whatever whatever
• 54:51
  Speaker 4: works for you. But yeah, let's let's hear let's hear
• 54:53
  Speaker 4: your top five and then maybe Davey can say a
• 54:56
  Speaker 4: few things about, uh, some of these albums to maybe
• 54:58
  Speaker 4: hate some of them that would become fun.
• 55:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah, he probably does. Well. Appetite for Destruction is definitely
• 55:07
  Speaker 5: on there. That record is just like it felt so dangerous.
• 55:12
  Speaker 5: You know, I'm not talking about the MTV singles. I'm
• 55:14
  Speaker 5: talking about like the the entire album, you know, like
• 55:19
  Speaker 5: it was such an influential record for me and Johnny
• 55:23
  Speaker 5: Cash Live at fulsome Prison.
• 55:25
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, so good.
• 55:29
  Speaker 5: Just like yeah, just very influential, you know, Like I
• 55:34
  Speaker 5: mean it just it made me fall in love with Cash,
• 55:37
  Speaker 5: and I'm like a Cash history And I've read all
• 55:40
  Speaker 5: the books, I've seen all the documentaries. I've just been
• 55:44
  Speaker 5: obsessed for many years with Johnny and Okay, computer for
• 55:50
  Speaker 5: sure as a guitar player, man just blew my mind.
• 55:56
  Speaker 5: I totally didn't get it at first, and I didn't
• 55:59
  Speaker 5: really like it at first, and then over time it
• 56:04
  Speaker 5: became my favorite record of that of that era.
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 56:10
  Speaker 4: That that's an album that I was just listening to
• 56:12
  Speaker 4: that maybe a few weeks ago, and I that album
• 56:17
  Speaker 4: when I every time I listened to it, and I've
• 56:19
  Speaker 4: it's been one of my my one of my more
• 56:21
  Speaker 4: favorite albums for maybe the last ten years. Every time
• 56:24
  Speaker 4: I listen to it, it still blows my mind that
• 56:27
  Speaker 4: it was released and I think nineteen ninety seven. Yeah,
• 56:32
  Speaker 4: it's like it's hard to believe that that it literally
• 56:35
  Speaker 4: it sounds so much more like in the future than that,
• 56:39
  Speaker 4: Like maybe it sounds like a ten years ahead of
• 56:41
  Speaker 4: its time to be honest at least.
• 56:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Yeah, it's still I love listening to it to
• 56:48
  Speaker 5: this day. One a little more modern, a brand new
• 56:52
  Speaker 5: The Devil and God are raging inside.
• 56:54
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah.
• 56:55
  Speaker 5: Just in six when that came out, that was just
• 56:58
  Speaker 5: I could not stop listening to it. There's sound changed
• 57:03
  Speaker 5: the time, but like the depth, like lyrically and just
• 57:08
  Speaker 5: musically like it just it just hit hit me in
• 57:12
  Speaker 5: a moment. You know that in the modern era of
• 57:16
  Speaker 5: like iPods and all of that. That doesn't sound that
• 57:20
  Speaker 5: modern anymore, but you know where you've got your music
• 57:23
  Speaker 5: in your pocket. I've probably listened to that record the most,
• 57:28
  Speaker 5: not so much in recent years, but man, and then
• 57:31
  Speaker 5: you know the band of the moment, Oasis was the
• 57:34
  Speaker 5: Story Morning Glory. Huge, I mean huge fan of that record,
• 57:40
  Speaker 5: and ironically, like didn't really get into it until like
• 57:44
  Speaker 5: probably like five or six years after it had been out.
• 57:49
  Speaker 5: I mean I had it, loved all the all the stuff,
• 57:52
  Speaker 5: but like realized later on They're like, Wow, this is
• 57:56
  Speaker 5: this is this is one of the best records I've
• 57:59
  Speaker 5: ever heard, and it just has that staying power. Those
• 58:02
  Speaker 5: songs are just unbelievable to this day. Like when I
• 58:07
  Speaker 5: hear a song come on from that record, it's just
• 58:11
  Speaker 5: changes their room, you know.
• 58:12
  Speaker 4: So well, I'm glad that you and your brother have
• 58:15
  Speaker 4: a better relationship than the Gallaghers.
• 58:17
  Speaker 5: I am too, because I saw them in O six
• 58:20
  Speaker 5: and I think they really did hate each other. In six.
• 58:24
  Speaker 5: I was like, oh, this isn't an act. This is
• 58:27
  Speaker 5: a real brutal Like.
• 58:31
  Speaker 4: Do they just get separate buses? Like what how does
• 58:33
  Speaker 4: this work come under? Just the logistically, I like I
• 58:37
  Speaker 4: would love to be the manager of this band to
• 58:38
  Speaker 4: just figure out or at least a fly on the
• 58:40
  Speaker 4: wall from a manager standpoint of how does this even
• 58:43
  Speaker 4: work for them to be on tour?
• 58:47
  Speaker 5: Well, it didn't work forever, that's for sure.
• 58:50
  Speaker 4: That's true. That's true, wonderful, that's a great list that
• 58:54
  Speaker 4: honestly when I honestly even like the brand New and
• 58:58
  Speaker 4: I obviously I know that brand New album came a
• 59:00
  Speaker 4: little later than Bleach, but yeah, there's like there's like
• 59:04
  Speaker 4: little moments where it just like from the ear that
• 59:06
  Speaker 4: you clearly have on music, Like I hear a little
• 59:09
  Speaker 4: bit of that going on in Bleach, especially from a
• 59:11
  Speaker 4: guitar standpoint, especially those Tooth and Nail releases.
• 59:14
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean that was a lot of
• 59:17
  Speaker 5: the kind of stuff we were listening to, not just me,
• 59:19
  Speaker 5: but yeah, yeah by.
• 59:22
  Speaker 4: That love this well, Davy, do you have a few
• 59:25
  Speaker 4: albums that you want to throw out there?
• 59:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah? Sure?
• 59:29
  Speaker 3: And also hope this is weird. I like literally Sam
• 59:32
  Speaker 3: called me, so he's like, hey, I got kicked off,
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: can you please call in? I keep getting kicked off.
• 59:37
  Speaker 4: It wasn't it wasn't my fault. It was just I
• 59:40
  Speaker 4: think it was his It said his network was struggling,
• 59:43
  Speaker 4: so he can be it on his WiFi.
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: Well, he's a lot of things struggle with Sam, so
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: that's fair fair. I think early on, probably the Beach Boys.
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: I think, like the Beach Boys, Pet Sounds was a
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: big oh yeah, Brian, Yeah for sure. So and even
• 59:59
  Speaker 3: the record after that, Smile was a big influence or
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: it was, well it was Smiley Smile back then. But
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: I was like the one that got away from him
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 3: for a long time there. But those those records were
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: pretty pretty influential, and I think, you know, I don't know,
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: I think I was kind of even being in like
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: the first stages of Bleach, you know, like back in
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 3: like ninety six. I think I was still figuring out
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: what I liked, you know, like Weezer. Pinkerton was definitely
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 3: a very influential record, and the Blue Record too, the
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 3: gol album too, But they kind of came out right
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: as we were first starting trying to think of who else,
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 3: you know, early early on, actually Rich Mullens was kind
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 3: of a kind of a big one for.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 4: Me, speaking of Rest in Peace. Man, that guy so good.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I always and I never really like it's hard
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 3: to explain. I really I wasn't hugely drawn to his music.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 3: I mean there's some songs that I am, but like overall,
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 3: his overall catalog and his like style of music was
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 3: not something that I was like listening to it was.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 3: It's mainly just the like lyrical content.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 7: I felt like I connect well that in his story
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 7: is incredible, Like that dude, that dude like when he
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 7: was convicted about something, he went all in like he
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 7: there was there was no like half asking things with
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 7: him like he was.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: He was in.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 4: He was in.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, So I love I loved him and and even
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 3: like I mean like later I heard stories you know,
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 3: of how he didn't, how he didn't even he would
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 3: get royalties and it wouldn't even get sent to him.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 3: He would get sent to somebody else and he would
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 3: say basically like send me the like I to his
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 3: to his like finance guy. He would say, like send
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 3: me like what the median income, like what normal people make,
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 3: and send the rest to like to charity, which is
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: pretty awesome.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 3: So, and I feel like that came through in his
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 3: music lyrics and stuff. So another one that was kind
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 3: of another kind of later when the promise ring was
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 3: kind of a big oh, so a big thing for me.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 3: So and I don't know if we're doing records or
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 3: bands or what.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 4: But yeah, what what is there a particular record that
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 4: like stands out to you?
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 3: With promise ring, I mean nothing feels good and very
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 3: emergency both are up there and and honestly, Johnny Cash
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: saying some of a lot of same ones my own
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 3: listed too, So I think we're influential.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 4: I love that again, like another a list of bands
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 4: even like the Johnny Cash reference that can't you know,
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 4: like from just like a like a songwriting standpoint, you
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 4: here a little bit of that going on Bleach, so
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 4: you know, obviously there's a little bit of that singer
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 4: songwriter thing going on at times with Bleach. So yeah,
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 4: I can definitely hear it all. So that what a
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 4: what a great for both of you. Like honestly, there
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 4: wasn't a band that I like, don't adore that you
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 4: guys mentioned, So that's that's a great list. So I
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 4: love it. Well, what what do you guys want to plug?
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 4: So you know, obviously furnest Fest set here in just
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 4: over a month or just under a month. Actually at
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 4: this point, I'm my goodness. Looking at the calendar right now,
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 4: just under a month, So Furnace Fast sounds like definitely
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 4: new shows are going to be happening at some point.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 4: Sounds like new music at some point. Uh yeah, what
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 4: what do you guys want to plug?
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so we have a should we.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 4: Are just the regular way right now.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah, we're actually going to show up to Furnace Fest
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 5: with the first vinyl ever that Bleach is produced.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 4: So really is that with Is that what the good
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 4: folks at un original Vinyl?
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they've they've been helping out a lot. They're not
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 3: they're not doing the packaging. I mean they've helped kind
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 3: of help guide the process. But a lot of what
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 3: we wanted to do with it is we wanted to
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 3: do a lot of this stuff kind of DIY, you know,
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 3: cross between like Seagarros and just kind of punk rock style.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 3: So we're we're like stamping all of it, handstamping it
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 3: kind of, we're packaging it all ourselves. So and the
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 3: the content of the vinyl is actually a live show
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 3: that we did twenty years ago that was recorded on
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 3: multi track. We didn't I didn't remember it. I think
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 3: my own remembered we did it. But I didn't even
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 3: remember we did it. It was a show that we
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 3: played basically after our last show, which is kind of
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 3: funny because we did our final show. We recorded that
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 3: one too, but like this, this one was what about
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 3: six was it six months after? It's been so long ago,
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 3: I don't even I want to say it was about
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 3: six months after. We had one of our best friends
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 3: who was a graphic designer and just kind of a
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 3: creative and just in general. This guy named Aaron Mars
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 3: who he went to Alaska to film Fisherman and this
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 3: was pre deadliest Catch. Dude just drove in a like,
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 3: bought a van, drove up to Alaska, found a boat
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: and jumped on it and filmed all this great footage.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 3: Then he came back to he came back to like
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 3: after the season was over. He came back to Louisville's
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 3: where he's from. And I had a birthday party in Nashville,
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 3: and he actually showed up at the birthday party just
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 3: kind of randomly knocked on the door and they're like, Davy,
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 3: you need to go check and see this at the door.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 3: And it's my buddy Eron or our buddy Eron. And
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 3: we sat up till like probably four in the morning,
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 3: just to him just telling me stories about this how
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 3: crazy it was on this ship, you know, and what
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 3: the what the fishermen were like and all this stuff,
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 3: and told me all these stories. And then he's like
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 3: the captain of that boat called him and said, hey,
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 3: I need you back here, like right now. And he's like,
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 3: he's like, can I like in a couple of days.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 3: He's like, no, like right now. He's like, we're getting
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 3: ready to go on this We're getting ready to go
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 3: back out, and I need I need somebody who's kind
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 3: of experienced. He's like, you're not even really experienced. You
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 3: were just filming, but at least you've been on a boat.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 3: I need you up here. So he so he went
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 3: up and long story short, his his boat sank and
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 3: so like half of actually I think there were seven
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 3: crew members and they all all passed except for one guy.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 3: One guy survived, and so he had all this footage
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 3: and he had and we wanted to kind of help
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  Speaker 3: see it come to life and kind of help pay
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  Speaker 3: some of the bills that he had kind of incurred
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  Speaker 3: credit card bills and stuff, and so we did this
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  Speaker 3: benefit show and that's what that's the that's the vinyl
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 3: is a live version of that. So it's it's pretty
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 3: emotional in some ways. It's also awesome. You know, it's
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 3: been twenty years since he passed and twenty years since
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 3: we did that show, and so it feels like it
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 3: just feels really special. There's some parts we we actually added,
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 3: like whole sections to songs that we that kind of
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 3: tied into the situation. Yeah, so it's it's pretty cool,
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 3: but we're working hard to get it done right now.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 4: Wow, that's like a.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 5: Lost a lost recording. Basically, we just discovered it a
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 5: few months ago. Mark Lee Townsend, who's my father in law,
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 5: is the one that recorded it originally and so he
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 5: mixed it. We've mastered it for vinyl.
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  Speaker 2: And.
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  Speaker 5: Really excited for people to hear it. It was a
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 5: really special night. So it feels like a gift that
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 5: we we can listen to it twenty years later.
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  Speaker 4: That's so cool. Last sick. Well, I'm excited that that's
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 4: going to be at first best. That will definitely be
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 4: super special for especially for Bleach fans to be able
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 4: to to be able to experience that. That's so cool,
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 4: so awesome. Well, I'm excited for you guys, milon anything
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 4: else you'd like to plug.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I was thinking about you know, Davey's
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 5: been a beekeeper for a lot of years, and a
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 5: lot of people may not know that, but he's been
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 5: working on a special project of just be music and.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 4: Just like the buzzing, Yeah, it's kind of it's in
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 4: B language, so.
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  Speaker 8: Yeahffer they have record, of course, they do dances. It's
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 8: it's it's a very intricate project and I've been trying
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 8: to help him with it. I mean for probably what
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 8: Davy twenty years. Yeah, minimal, minimally and uh been stung
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 8: a lot in the process.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, are you guys I heard there's like a new
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 4: B movie potentially coming out. Are you guys involved in that?
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 5: Dave's been very involved in creative.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, clearly about it.
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  Speaker 4: I mean it's fine. I mean I get I get
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 4: that there's you know, legal contract stuff, I get that.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 4: But my gonness is this is this the kind of
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 4: bee music where like even the people that listen to
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 4: it will start like wanting to worship a queen.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 5: Maybe.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 4: Wow, this is like this feels this feels intense, Like
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 4: I feel like, you know, I Honestly, I've never really
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 4: listened to much be music other than whatever is on
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 4: the be mood.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 3: There's not much out there.
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  Speaker 4: But I like, I've been around beehives, I've been stung
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  Speaker 4: by bees, but I've never I've never been around them
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  Speaker 4: enough to like get to a point where I'm like
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 4: entranced by the music of bees. So this feels like
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 4: this is a new opportunity, new experience for me.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 5: Well, it'll be amazing. I think I think a lot
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 5: of people need to hear it, you.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 4: Know, yeah, yeah, I'm kind of I'm trying to like,
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 4: you know, you said that it's in the key of bee,
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 4: which obviously, of course, of course, right, why would it
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 4: be make any other key? But I am curious, like
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 4: what would be music sound like, and like, let's say
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 4: the key of F for example.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: Curious.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 4: I'm just curious. I'm just curious.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: Just I mean, I like that idea.
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  Speaker 3: And I've tried a couple of different keys, because you know,
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 3: not every song works perfectly and the key of the
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 3: but notice when I play it for the bees, they
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 3: they seem to get a little agitated. So a lot
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 3: of stings happen then, And so I just want to
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 3: do right by them, you know, of course. Yeah, you know,
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 3: people talk about saving the bees, but I really want
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 3: to I'm really kind of more like, I think the
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 3: bees the big thing. They've been talking about saving humans,
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 3: So uh, that's kind of what we're trying to do
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  Speaker 3: with this.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm mean, I don't blame them. I mean, you know,
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 4: we're we're, we're, we're we we help them a lot,
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 4: I think, in a lot of ways. So it's in
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 4: their own it's in their own best and yes, it's
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 4: right to save the humans as well, so.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 3: It's save each other.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 4: That's right. Well we'll do our best. Well, Well, thank
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 4: you guys so much for chatting more about the just
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 4: the history of Bleachs Just what a fascinating history. Chatting
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 4: a little bit more about the fact that, you know,
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 4: there's potentially new music that's gonna be happening at some
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 4: point in the next maybe a couple of years. Just
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 4: really excited about that. Literally cannot wait to see you
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 4: guys at Furness Fast. As soon as I see you guys,
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 4: I'll definitely be giving you guys a big hug. I'm
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 4: just really really extoked about it. And so yeah, just
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 4: thank you so much for being a part of this
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 4: and uh I can't wait to see you in just
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 4: less than a month.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, oh thank you, Yeah, thanks a bunch.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: Bring blad, praying back to base, pray back, praying back
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  Speaker 1: to base, pray back, Brace slash, break back, break.
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  Speaker 2: Back to Bay side.
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  Speaker 3: Whoa