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Wisdom Keeper_s Perspectives and the Healing Power Of Sound Vibration · INSPIRE STORY

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Inspire Health Podcast. Your life is about
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to get a whole lot better. Have you ever felt
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like you tried everything and yet still couldn't find the
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answers or the solutions that you were seeking, whether you're
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dealing with chronic illness, physical or emotional pain. I want
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you to know that your body is the most sophisticated
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machine on planet Earth. Your body holds unfathomable wisdom. Trust
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in it and learn from it. Know that there are
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answers and there are solutions to your specific health challenges,
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and we will be uncovering all of them here on
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the Inspire Health Podcast. I'm so excited to be a
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part of your healing journey. Your transformation starts out bi everybody.
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Thanks for tuning into the Inspire Health Podcast. Today's guest
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is Darren Austin Hall. Darren is a master sound healer,
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ceremonial musician and spiritual teacher. The tours internationally sharing his
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sacred music and his spiritual teachings and a diversity of
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workshops and courses. Darren trained and learned with various Indigenous
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wisdom keepers and is devoted to the reclamation of the
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European Indigenous Identity. He was a featured performer at Tedex
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Toronto and is the creator of the Source Resonance training
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in sound healing, sacred music and vibrational philosophy. Darren is
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the founder of Conscious Masculinity Toronto and has facilitated men's
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circles for years. His Heroic Consciousness program teaches male empowerment
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through working with archetypal theory. His new album, Songs of
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Source featuring Channeled Songs and Crystal Singing Bulls, is out now.
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He will soon be publishing his first book of writing,
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Love's Resolution. His new projects are focusing on promoting eco
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spiritual wisdom as a guiding light for a waking world
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and asserting a Guyan identity as a new universal human archtype.
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What a pleasure to have you on the show today.
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Speaker 2: Ah, feeling mutual, Jason, So happy to be here and
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talk to you and get deep on some born subjects.
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Speaker 1: Nice now, for anybody that gets to see the video,
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you look like you're in a pretty nice relaxed environment there.
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So whereabouts are you? Are you right now?
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Speaker 3: Yeah?
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Speaker 2: So I was actually supposed to be flying back from
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here in Cosatica tomorrow to Toronto, but the flight obviously
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got canceled with everything's going on with the pandemic, and
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then yeah, I've just decided anyhow that I was going
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to hunker down here and just go into a bit
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more of a creative sabbatical mode. So I'm on the
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Pacific coast, right near Santa Teresa and the oceans right
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in front of me, and surrounded by beautiful coconut trees
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and beautiful artists, and it just feels perfect. I must
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have played some karmic cards, right, I think so nice.
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Speaker 1: Well enjoy it when everybody gets to watch it, they
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can live vicariously for a little bit.
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Speaker 3: I hope I don't make anyone jealous, for sure.
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Speaker 1: Darren, You've got a really eclectic back, and I thought
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that your perspectively really helpful at this point in time,
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especially with everything that's going on with COVID nineteen and
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the pandemic and the worries and the concerns. So I'm
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hoping we can get to some of that in a
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little bit. But initially, I'd love to hear your story
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on just how you got into this area and how
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music and sound vibration and spiritual teaching became such a
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big part of your world.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll try and make this very condensed because it's
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quite a long journey. But I pretty much as a child,
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I was always gifted towards music, but I always found
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myself more prone to making improvised music. And I actually
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used to hear music as a child all the time,
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and I would actually sing myself to sleep every night
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for hours, just these channeled songs that I was just
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hearing in my mind and my soul, and I would
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sing and my parents were blessedly tolerant. Sound too nice.
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But from the get go I always had this very
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kind of mystical connection of music. My parents tried to
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get me to take piano lessons and join choirs, and
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I did, but I always found myself really bored with
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that kind of rehearsing and then performing music I wrote.
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I was always more interested in the inspired moment, and
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for the longest time I thought there was something just
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very odd and wrong with me in terms of being
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an artist in that vein. It wasn't until I was
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in my late twenties studying Chinese medicine at the Institutrictional
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Medicine in Toronto when I started working with a very
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interesting character called doctor Bradford Keeney, who had come up
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from America to teach us a two year program with
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six different weekend modules on shaking medicine, which was based
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on his experiences working with the Kalahari bush people in
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the or sorry, the San bush people in the Kalahari
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desert in Africa, who used to do or still do
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shaking and dancing rituals to heal, and described that their
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shamans were called songcatchers and that they would go into
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altered states of consciousness and receive songs from higher worlds
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and express those as healing messages. And a light bulb
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went off in that moment, because I had stopped doing
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these kind of spiritual singing rituals in my teenage years,
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but something what Bradford was saying that day really sparked
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a light bulb, and I shared my experience as a child,
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and Bradford sort of acknowledged that it was a gift,
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it wasn't some weird thing. And it was also around
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that time that I had started to learn about sound healing. Also,
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very kind of synchronistically, I saw an astrologer for the
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first time my life actually, and I see her now
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every year on my birthday, because she utterly changed my
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life in this first session by saying that I was
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a sound healer, and at the time, I was kind
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of feeling at odds with my Chinese medicine training, and
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that really also sparked something in me, and I started
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researching sound healing and just almost instantly found myself feeling
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tremendous passion towards this paradigm. And then from there it
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just became a gateway opened, and I started working with
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the crystal singing bowls, and I started performing, and I
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started singing in that kind of improvised way that I
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was as a child, now with the context of it
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maybe being a healing medicine, and people just started having
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profound experiences at the sound journeys that I was offering.
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Speaker 3: And that was over ten years ago.
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Speaker 2: I just turned forty, and since then I've been teaching
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sound healing, traveling the world and touring with it, and
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also recording lots of albums with singer songwriter stuff as well,
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because I'm also love playing guitar and writing songs. I'm
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a poet and a lyricist as well, and I guess
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the new thing is I've developed a training called Source
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Residence where I teach sound healing and what I call
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the Path of the Sacred Musician. And it's just been
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extraordinary to watch how the world has been embracing sound
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healing and music as a sacred art, which is not
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so surprising to me in the sense that it used
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to be the ancient way that music was used for healing,
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but it's amazing to see now there's clearly a need
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as humanity kind of awakens to the depth of working
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with their wellness not just when they're sick, and sound
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and music is now, you know, being championed in this
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in this context, once again just found.
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Speaker 1: Depending on where you pick up information around the world,
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it's really diverse why I think travel is so important,
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But if you're from the West, for the most part,
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it's it's sort of like an entertainment almost we think
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of with music, but when you when you sort of
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go a little bit deeper with it. I mean, like
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you said, music's been a part of almost every culture,
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in almost every religion, almost every spirituality has aspects of
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music to it, and even we look at things like
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from a perspective of healing, right, and these different bodies
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of healing. There's sort of like a physical and energetic,
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a mental and intuitive, and a spiritual kind of a
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body of healing. Music has this way of getting right
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up top. It kind of opens the doors to I
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think insights and whatnot that we're not usually privy to
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until we have that experience. Sometimes I'm wondering, if you
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can share a little bit with how you find music
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and sound and vibration, how does that play into creating
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an environment for healing to occur.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great question something that I really love
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to share with the students in my source residence training
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is a lot of the ancient context so people can
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understand that this is a lineage, this isn't just some
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new agy thing that just landed. And I love to
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go into depth about the teachings of Pythagoras, who was
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a lot of us know them as kind of a
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maybe a if you didn't like math, like me, a
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mathematical terrorist, you know, when you're studying geometry in high school.
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But when you reach visit Pythagoras with the bigger context
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of maybe looking for more of his spiritual wisdom, he
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realized that matth was he considered a language of the
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cosmos language of the divine, but he looked at sound
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as being something that causes soul adjustments.
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Speaker 3: And I really like that idea, and I really liked
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that the.
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Speaker 2: Greeks also had very clear, precise language around these things.
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So for them, the soul was literally described as a
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field of energetic influence that surrounds the living physical body,
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and it is also a lot and I find that
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really interesting because now scientists like Rupert Childrake has been
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writing about this field theory with morphogenetic field, so we're
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in a great time of reunion with a lot of
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this knowledge. But I really like that Pythagoras says that
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because I think everyone knows that music has always been
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called the most immediate of art. You know nothing to
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take down anything about visual art or anything like that,
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but there's something about music that speaks very directly to someone.
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You play a song and it can change a person's
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mood almost instantly. It can bring them to tears where
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moments before they were feeling quite stolid, And I think
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that is some of that is leaning into this power
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of music, that it's a vibrational medicine.
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Speaker 3: Sound is vibration.
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Speaker 2: We know that now that the currency of the universe
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is energy, and energy is literally anything that's moving that's
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producing a frequency. So to me, sound healing is such
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a powerful medicine because it's really showing us that the
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root cause of our world and a lot of our
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disease is now being realized as something energetic. And if
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it's energy, it's making sound, and if it's coordinated sound,
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organized sound, it's probably making music, which is why a
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lot of the great Sufi mystics would say that, you know,
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the soul is living music, Our body is living music.
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If you're alive and everything's function functioning together, we're probably
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a beautiful symphony to the ears of those that could
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hear things on a metaphysical level. So in the context
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of what I do, this whole idea of the sound
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bath is quite popular.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 2: I like to call it a sound journey because I
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feel it has more of a deep, almost shamanic context.
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But I usually give performances and performances I say very
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lightly because for me, the musician is really hearkening to
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that idea of music being the etymology of the word,
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the art of the muses. So right there, the muses
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being these nine daughters of Zeus, and this goddess nomosity.
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They were seen as these entities that brought art to humans.
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So this relationship that you had with the divine forces
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is really there in our ancient ancestral Greek traditions. So
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when I perform, I see myself as connecting to higher
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worlds to hire entities, if you will. And when I
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sing and I play the bulls, I'm transmitting from those realms.
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And the crystal balls in particular have been scientifically proven
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to put people into very parasympathetic states, so relaxation and
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self healing really and it helps them get into a
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meditative state. And I see myself as providing an atmosphere
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through this healing music for people to go on an
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inward journey that they can really be guided to. I
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only do a bit of guidance usually at the beginning.
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Here and there I may guide. For the most part,
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I'll just be transmitting this kind of spiritual music for
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upwards to ninety minutes and it allows people to really
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go deep in a soul inward journey. And then afterwards
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we usually do a bit of a sharing circles to
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see how the experience has been and a lot of
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people have very profound experiences, from chronic pain going away
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to people seeing the spirits of loved ones they've lost.
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I've been perpetually humbled by just seeing what happens. It's
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like music has this power to open up a bridging
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gateway to other realms that for the most part, in
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the West, we haven't been really educated about connecting with
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or relating to.
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Speaker 1: M Yeah, and when when we talk about that for
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people that are familiar with it, sometimes it sounds kind
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of wild, like what do you mean You're connecting these
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different things. But the reality is, and if you ever
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start to go into and start to look into how
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quantum physics is pulling a lot of this stuff together,
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it's giving very valid theories on how this stuff actually works.
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And there is this there's a cashic field, or this
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this infinite wisdom that we all ultimately can connect into.
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But it's usually these other things that get in the
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way of us being able to connect to it. And
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so I've had spirit bas before too, or I've had
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sound basts before too, and different experiences, and it's just
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one of those things where it's experiential. It's hard to
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explain it completely until you've actually had it. And you
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feel something, and then your concept of what is true
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and not true changes immediately because it's a very felt
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sensation and experience. And when you do connect to something
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or get insights around something, or you're touched emotionally in
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a certain way for no reason other than something just
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shifts inside you, it's a pretty powerful, powerful experience.
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Speaker 2: I think yeah, And I would say, like to me,
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one of the hallmarks of a healthy spirituality is is
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it being a self initiated or self directed journey. I
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think for a long time religion has created this ambassador
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system where we have preests acting as that a mystery
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between us and the divine. But in a lot of
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the research I've been doing into the European indigenous traditions
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and this idea of gnosis as a counter to agnostics,
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someone who believes in God but doesn't believe you can
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directly know God. Well, the mystical traditions and these gnostics
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really believe that you can know God and you can
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know God directly. And if you've worked with indigenous peoples
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and indigenous medicines, even their plant medicines such as ayahuasca,
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which is very in vogue, you know that these are
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experiences that all human beings can have of paranormal metaphysical
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communications with beings that are not of this physical reality,
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and a lot of these beings can be very benevolent,
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can teach us things, and to me, that's a very
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empowering thing for people to experience. And something that I
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explain in the Sound Journey work is that the crystal bowls,
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which are extraordinary sound healing tools, are made of quartz crystal.
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When they produce their tones, they put us into alpha
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brainwave state. So typically we're in beta, which is about
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thirty to twenty two cycles of sound a second, which
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is kind of like a monkey mind, busy mind, and
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a lot of health problems I believe just stem in
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like the overuse of that of our minds, just always
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constantly thinking and joining our energy. When we get into alpha,
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that's kind of into the meditative state, when everything starts
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to relax. The body has been proven to go into
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homeostasis self healing states, which are very beneficial.
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Speaker 3: But after alpha, we actually.
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Speaker 2: Have the ability to go even deeper into the delta
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state or sorry, the theta state. And the Theta state
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is when people will actually start to have well what
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psychologists who call hallucinations, but what an indigenous elder might
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call visions meaningful visions, images even memories coming to them
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that are profoundly specific and give people guidance about things
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in their life to do with their purpose, healing something,
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creating peace, harmony, or cultivating some form of virtue. And
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when that happens to someone in a sound journey, that's
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a very beautiful and empowering experience.
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Speaker 3: And that's kind of.
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Speaker 2: Like the goal for me is for people to have
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those kinds of experiences themselves. I don't want to be
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and I don't think, you know, the idea of of
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the guru is something I think that we're outgrowing. I
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think a really good guru to sort of take what
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Mike Meyer shared in The Love Guru on and have
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you've seen that movie? Kind of a corny movie, but
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he sat saying very profound in it, you know, he said, Guru, Gee,
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you are you. And I love that because that was
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traditionally what the guru is supposed to do, just make
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you realize who you are in your most ultimate form,
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so that you don't need that guru externally. You need
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what was the Maha, the Great Guru, which is the
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Guru with in your own soul.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I completely agree with you. I did an interview
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with doctor Irvin Laslo a while back and he's Wow,
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he's been a visionary. Yeah, he's been a visionary and
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just the movement forward for human potential in a lot
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of ways. And his book that is most recent what
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was around connecting to Source, and he said that it's
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it's so important for people to have a spiritual experience,
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whatever that means to the person, but just in the
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essence of having a spiritual experience, you get insights that
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you are not privy to until you have those types
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of experiences that ultimately shape and reform your life. They
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change your behaviors instantaneously, they change your choices. That's what
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impacts and allows you to evolve and move forward in
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a different way, and ultimately says that's what has the
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power to change the world. You get enough individual people
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connecting to that sense of source or spirit, connecting to
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something larger than themselves, and then that's what ultimately creates
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the biggest global shifts in the world.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And isn't that profound? You know that what we're
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going through right now with COVID nineteen is a united
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kind of experience which is kind of breaking through this
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kind of extreme form of individualism and isolationalism that our
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Western societies have kind of leaned too far in. And
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it's really interesting that this pandemic is giving us almost
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the opportunity on so many many fronts. I mean, there's
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so many dimensions, and spirituality is playing a huge part
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in that as well. And something that I love about
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Urban Lazloks actually share some of his writings in my
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Source Residence Training, is he's been really on the forefront
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among many other visionaries of converging science and spirituality, which
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is I believe one of the great shifts that is.
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Speaker 3: Happening in our current age.
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Speaker 2: And I think this shift will be remembered for generations
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to come because science and spirituality have been at odds
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for centuries, if not millennia, and now that you have
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scientists and spiritual spiritualists starting to speak the same language,
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you have this illumination of a universal form of truth
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where we're starting to realize the commonality of quantum physics
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and for example, independent arising in Buddhism. You know, all
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these concepts no longer have to be seen as in conflict,
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and I think that's going to open up a massive
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well spring of new explorations in just human consciousness in
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general human potential, and it's going to help guide how
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to steer our civil civilization and collective species en mass too.
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Hopefully a better future there will be more in alignment,
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with more of a sense of a unified connection not
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just with our humanity but with our with our planet,
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because the separation of humanity from the ecology the planet
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has been probably the gravest problem that we've also been facing.
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Speaker 3: Mm hmm.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a It's a really exciting time right now
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because I feel like the science that at least from
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sort of the Western world likes to behold of to
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make sense of things is there in a way that
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it's evolved enough that now it's making sense of stuff
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that a lot of traditional wisdom would take for granted
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for thousands of years. But now we can kind of
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explain it in a way that the mind likes to,
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you know, pull it apart and make sense of it,
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which I think also is really important because it validates
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them in certain ways too, outside of just having an
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experience with it and well, and from my perspective, where
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I like to look at it is how does that
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new science and this bridging of science and spirituality play
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into this concept of integrated medicine, because it's basically showing
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we're not just physical and if anything, it's like it
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starts well beyond that. I mean doctor Ama Goswami says,
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you know, consciousness is the ground for all beings, So
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everything starts up here and then filters down from there,
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So we can't just wash away you know, our mental
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thinking and our belief systems and the feeling state that
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we're in on a regular basis, those things are all
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very very important to the outcome that comes out physically.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, And I mean coming out of Chinese medicine school,
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I was very passionate about, you know, transforming our healthcare
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system to be more preventative, to be more integrative, because
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if you take kind of an eagle's eye view of things,
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we have the opportunity to almost cultivate the most powerful
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healthcare model that ever existed on the planet. If we
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were to integrate Western allopathic medicine with Chinese medicine, with
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even things like reiki Araveda shamanic medicines, and it is
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starting to happen, which is exciting in a very gradual way.
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But if all of these things were able to be
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brought together and integrated, we could be dealing with so
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many breakthroughs in terms of healing all kinds of diseases
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and also dealing with the huge mental health problems that
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we have in the West living in a very materialistic
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society that tends to rob us of a grander sense
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of self and purpose. But I feel right now what's
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gravely important is that we need people to just start
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talking to each other and communicating. You know, we need
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doctors to go and talk to natural paths, and we
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need herbalists to also be a part of that too,
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And we need to start recognizing through humility that none
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of us have the absolute truth. None of us monopolizes
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what healthcare is. Each of us have a beautiful fragment that,
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when brought together, can become something supremely powerful. And I
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find it really ironic right now with the COVID nineteen
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that we're seeing this breaking through the mass consciousness. You're
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seeing more and more people on social media sharing natural remedies,
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how to immune boost, or even decrying things that are
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nefarious such as an article I posted yesterday that Krispy
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Cream Donuts has been donating donuts to healthcare workers on
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the front lines, which was appalling to me because white
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sugar is one of the things that feeds infections, bacterial
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and viral so immensely, so in a way, that's actually
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putting these healthcare workers into more harm, more vulnerable to
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being harmed. And that got shared like it almost went
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viral the Little Die Tribe, I wrote in the article,
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and you can see that people are not taking this anymore.
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Speaker 3: There's a lot of alternative health care practitioners.
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Speaker 2: I don't even like using the word alternative because it's
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kind of condescending, but there's a lot of healthcare practitioners
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outside of this allopathic model who are now speaking up,
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you know, and it's and there should also be a
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lot more signaling through the mainstream media and the governments,
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because they're just telling people to socially isolate, social distance,
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be at home, which in its own is not the
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best thing for immunity, you know, because people's mental health
25:01
starts to deteriorate very quickly when they're isolated, especially if
25:03
they're single and they're alone, they don't have family or
25:07
friends nearby. But I would love to see, you know,
25:10
the government and the Maintrea media also telling people like
25:13
top ten tips you know to boost your immune system
25:16
through herbs like australagus and daily meditation in chigong. These
25:21
things have been tried and tested for thousands of years.
25:23
Even the doctors in China during the outbreak in Wuhan,
25:27
we're doing tai chi and chigong in the hospital to
25:31
just help their immune systems be bolstered enough working at
25:35
a ground zero type of environment. So I'm really hoping
25:39
that we're also seeing that shift. I think there's so
25:42
many dimensions happening right now. It's kind of yes, it's
25:45
very grave and people are dying and there's obvious despair,
25:48
but there's also this very exciting thing happening on so
25:51
many dimensions of truth where people are really starting to
25:55
discuss very important matters and discuss them somewhat brazenly in
26:00
some context, and hopefully just ultimately open mindedly and respectfully,
26:05
because we all know on social media things get quite
26:09
abrasive in terms of communication.
26:12
Speaker 1: I'm just thinking, as you were saying that, my wife,
26:14
I think, just posted an article from Harvard a little
26:18
while ago that was actually saying everybody should be doing
26:21
yoga and mindfulness to support their natural immune system. I'll
26:27
have to send it to you after please.
26:29
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's great. I'm glad it's trying to break through
26:32
in those terrains.
26:33
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you're right though, I mean it's it's seldom
26:36
you see that. But ultimately, as soon as people start
26:39
to feel like there's solutions available, right, and there's always
26:43
solutions available, but as soon as they just start to
26:45
feel that that in itself will start to improve their
26:48
immune system. Hope starts to improve people's immune system. That
26:52
there's support, right, that people feel supported and they don't
26:55
feel like there's no answers for something.
26:59
Speaker 3: Yeah.
26:59
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's interesting because there's so much out there,
27:06
but you also see the conditioning that people have gone through.
27:10
For example, I shared the other day about how important
27:13
sunlight is and someone wrote a very detracting comment that
27:17
it was some hippie dippy bullshit.
27:20
Speaker 3: And you know, I had to respond.
27:22
Speaker 2: Luckily, I consider myself a fairly reasonable communicator, so you know,
27:27
I responded in a very calm way, but I just
27:30
shared my background, my training, because you know, people are
27:33
freaking out and he may not have known, and he's
27:36
just seeing someone posting something and thinks it's just some
27:39
idiotic comment. But I responded, you know about my training,
27:42
my background, and with some studies that have shown you
27:45
know that even in the nineteen eighteen influenza outbreak, they
27:49
were taking patients outside the hospital to be in the sunlight,
27:53
which is very anti viral and vitamin DA is so
27:56
boosting to the community and.
27:57
Speaker 3: Just the fresh air itself. And a lot of people
28:01
are sharing.
28:01
Speaker 2: This information now on social media, which is great because
28:04
it's offering a usurption of the mainstream narrative, which unfortunately,
28:09
for whatever reason, I feel is crippled in terms of
28:13
giving people a more holistic perspective on healthcare. And I
28:16
don't want to create any antagonism, but it's just it's
28:19
right there in our faces, and I'm glad Harvard's at
28:21
least sharing it. Hopefully in the future will see more
28:24
of those mainstream media channels, because unfortunately people still don't
28:29
think something is truthful unless it's promulgated by the CBC
28:33
or the BBC. And you know, coming from a media
28:36
background as well, because that's when I study the university,
28:38
I know that a lot of these mainstream medias aren't
28:40
as sincere as people would like to believe. At the
28:45
same time, it's a slippery slope to go on truth
28:47
finding missions oneself on the Internet. And that's how I
28:50
always tell people to see multiple sources and open discussions,
28:54
you know, find your local experts, find your local nature
28:57
paths and herbal people and your doctors, and even better
29:02
have them all over for tea maybe after the social
29:04
distancing is done, and see what kind of conversations could
29:09
come up. Because I think moving forward, our health is
29:13
showing that we're very vulnerable, and in some ways that's
29:17
beautiful to recognize. And in that vulnerability, I think it's
29:21
going to push us towards realizing that the Earth has
29:25
tremendous medicines to offer us, and hopefully in this great
29:29
pause we can take some time to really honor that.
29:32
Speaker 1: I think that's what stuff like this points our shines
29:35
of very bright light on is when you look at
29:39
ultimately who's susceptible to some of these things, right, and
29:43
it's like, by and large, it's all very much immune compromise,
29:48
people with chronic illness and often multiple chronic illness. I mean,
29:53
the study out of Italy showed that over ninety nine
29:56
percent of the fatalities in Italy we're all over a
29:59
certain age with three or more chronic illnesses on multiple medications.
30:05
So it's like that is the group that and we're
30:08
just having a larger population that is living for longer
30:12
periods of time with multiple chronic illness. And to me,
30:16
it points so there's shines a light more on how
30:18
do we build resilience so we don't end up there
30:21
and being susceptible. And mean, you can live an old
30:24
age and not be so susceptible to chronic disease when
30:27
you've taken care of those things. But if you do
30:29
get into those phases like you, that's where you're going
30:32
to be running into more troubles. So to me, it's
30:35
really then breaks down a conversation of how do we
30:37
build innate resilience And a lot of that comes back
30:40
to certain fundamentals of healthy living I think in a
30:43
lot of ways.
30:45
Speaker 2: And it's already starting to take effect. I mean even
30:50
things like yoga and the great boon of that and meditation.
30:54
This has been ongoing for decades now that human beings
30:58
are starting to take sovereignty over their wellness over their lives,
31:02
and they're starting to insert these very old traditional practices
31:06
and some of them are very novel, but people are
31:09
starting to really take their own healthcare into their own hands.
31:14
And that's not to say that we don't seek doctors
31:16
for advice. It's about having a constellated source of many experts,
31:22
you know, including yourself, to work together. And I really
31:27
feel excited because I think increasingly people are realizing that,
31:31
and I think, yeah, I think that's going to be
31:33
a huge paradigm shift, you know. I think everyone's been
31:36
very shaken by this, and I think increasingly people are
31:41
there's a huge truth awakening thing happening in this moment.
31:48
And social media is very interesting to touch the pulse
31:51
of that because if you log onto social media, which
31:55
I only recommend a bit during the day because it's
31:57
quite a quagmire of different emotions, reactions and perspectives and
32:01
just sheer amount of information. It's like a geyser of
32:05
so much. But what's interesting is you're just seeing a
32:08
lot of perspectives being shared, really interesting perspectives around the
32:14
one same issue, which is this pandemic. And I think
32:17
that's beautiful. On one hand, because it's showing that, hey,
32:21
you know what, we have a variety of knowledge at
32:24
our disposal here.
32:27
Speaker 3: What if we confuse this together?
32:29
Speaker 2: And this is to me, the only way we're going
32:32
to move forward with a lot of the crisises in
32:35
terms of the environment and such is being together on
32:38
these things.
32:38
Speaker 3: How do we unite?
32:39
Speaker 2: How do we actually start to coalesce our knowledge pools
32:44
and do so in ways that are respectful and rational
32:47
so that we don't fall into these antagonisms you know,
32:50
of I feel a lot of people can get very defensive,
32:53
for example, when they're presented with knowledge that they're unaware of.
32:57
People can get afraid of that and judge it. But
33:02
you know, a true scientist is someone who's more interested
33:05
in what they don't know than they know, as one
33:07
great teacher shared with me, And I really believe that
33:10
we're all being sort of initiated to be kind of
33:13
scientists in that vein to really explore our existence and
33:16
to explore our health in this moment particularly, and to seek,
33:21
you know, all these different sources to come to really
33:24
beautiful conclusions that are very resourceful well.
33:28
Speaker 1: And it gives people options sometimes around different ways, different viewpoints,
33:35
different perspectives to try it on and see how it
33:38
feels to me. Sometimes it's like you want to be
33:42
in a certain state of openness to just rather than
33:45
right away sort of close things off as that makes
33:47
no sense. It's almost like, well, how does it feel
33:50
Do I feel a little bit better with that perspective?
33:52
How can I try that one on and see what
33:54
it feels like? And there's a lot of value in
33:57
that because most of the time it's like, I mean,
33:59
this is it's very easy to know what we know,
34:03
but when you hear somebody from another perspective, if we
34:07
don't sort of close it down too quickly and just
34:10
start to entertain it a little bit. It's like my
34:12
wife and I will often say when there's new things,
34:15
because ultimately it's not easy to immediately change beliefs around stuff,
34:19
right They're ingrained pretty hard. So one of the things
34:23
my wife and I tend to do if there's something
34:24
that we feel like we would like to investigate more
34:28
or try on for size for a little bit and
34:30
see what it feels like, but we know we don't
34:32
completely believe it yet because there's a lot of past
34:34
programming there. We'll use, like what if questions, so I'd
34:37
be like, well, what if this or this or this,
34:40
rather than just saying as a blanket statement, this is
34:43
the way it is if you sort of entertain it
34:45
with this sort of what if or wouldn't it be
34:47
cool if all of a sudden it sort of lets
34:50
a little bit of a crack in the door where
34:51
you can entertain it and just start to try it
34:54
out without getting too attached to it or too caught
34:58
up in it. It's like, it's playful. It makes a
35:01
little bit playful to experiment.
35:04
Speaker 3: Absolutely, I love that the sacred what if?
35:07
Speaker 2: That sounds like a beautiful paradigm, And I agree being playful,
35:12
having levity a sense of humor around all of this
35:16
is so vitally important, you know, And why when I
35:19
seek out spiritual teachers, you know, one of the first
35:22
things I look for is a sense of humor. I
35:25
feel like the lightness and being able to not take
35:27
oneself so seriously is very important to just living a
35:30
good life. But yeah, I really feel right now this
35:36
pause that's happened. It's just it's such a blessing in
35:41
one way, you know, And I don't want to downplay
35:45
the real you know, pain that people are feeling with
35:48
losing their jobs and trying to figure out how ends
35:51
are going to meet, because that's a very real, authentic thing.
35:54
I think a lot of it are also facing. But
35:57
at the same time, I take a lot of spite
36:00
or a lot of beauty in what we shared to
36:03
me recently by an elder medicine woman from Columbia, and
36:07
she shared that what's happening right now is the answer
36:10
to our prayers that we've all been sort of praying
36:14
for some moment to happen where we could take time
36:18
away from, in my mind, the too much business of
36:22
our lives, the overcrowded mental sphere of our lives, to
36:27
take the time to just pause and reflect and ask
36:31
ourselves some deeper questions, just feel ourselves in a deeper
36:35
way in ways that modern life, with all it's worrying around,
36:40
increasingly so with social media and technology, doesn't really allow us.
36:45
And so I feel right now there's almost this you know,
36:50
what psychologists would call a liminal space. You know, a
36:53
liminal space is what's opened up in rituals where this
36:57
space where time and space seems a little more Morpheus
37:01
spiritual visions come into the space if anyone's been in
37:05
any kind of plant medicine ceremony, that's a liminal space.
37:09
I kind of feel we're like collectively in this liminal
37:11
space right now. And for a lot of people that's
37:15
kind of scary because they if they haven't done any
37:17
spiritual practice, or they'ven't had a lot of moments in
37:20
their life where they've retreated and just been with themselves,
37:23
it's kind of freaky. But on the other hand, I
37:26
think this is offering us an amazing opportunity to reset
37:31
our lives and to also in a big way because
37:34
a lot of the indigenous elders I've been listening to,
37:37
they've been saying, in many ways, it's also to reset
37:40
our relationship to the Earth, which is so fundamentally important.
37:44
You know, I think this is almost earth initiated in
37:48
a way. You know that she's, as one of the
37:50
elders said, she's really asking us to question our behavior
37:54
in our relationship with her, and she needs this time
37:57
to regenerate and for us to really take a look
38:00
long look in the mirror and look at our culture
38:02
and our civilization en mass and think about how each
38:05
of us is individually contribute contributing to a system that's
38:09
destroying its own home planet, which is psychopathy, absolute psychopathy.
38:15
And how can we start to turn the wheel the
38:18
other direction to creating a beautiful culture of creativity that's
38:22
hopefully going to spark a kind of new renaissance.
38:25
Speaker 3: I mean, we'll see what's going to happen.
38:29
Speaker 1: I read a quote the other day or a post,
38:32
and it said, does anybody feel like the Earth just
38:34
sent us to our room to think about what we've done?
38:38
Speaker 3: I saw that too. I loved I shared that. I
38:40
love that. I think that's very, very accurate.
38:44
Speaker 1: I was kind of laughing when I spread I read that.
38:47
But what is really interesting is, and I've read this before,
38:52
but I was thinking about it when everything happened, is
38:54
that you know, when we look at this, this truth
38:58
of that everything is ultimately all interconnected, you can't separate it.
39:03
And that's a fundamental truth when you look at it
39:05
through quantum physics, now they can explain it, but look
39:09
at how you know, viruses have a way, or pathogens
39:13
or something along they transcend everything. There's no sex, there's
39:17
no race, there's no poverty or rich. It doesn't make
39:21
much difference. There's sort of no one's kind of exempt
39:24
from it for the most part. So it has this
39:26
way of kind of showing in some ways how interconnected
39:29
everybody is and that there's really not these barriers that
39:32
we like to try and think that there's so many
39:35
barriers up around being interconnected, and then look at like
39:39
from a government point of view, like, holy cow, you know,
39:42
if you ever wanted to see how quickly you could
39:44
get all the governments across the planet to sort of
39:50
join ties, to all be on the same page in
39:52
such a cohesive way so quickly, I tell you that
39:56
did it. And the only thing is that kind of
39:59
united people more in a bit of a panic and
40:01
a fear. But imagine if that united could be through
40:04
like a loving kindness and a care for one another.
40:06
I mean, holy cow, It just shows you how quickly
40:09
things can happen.
40:12
Speaker 3: Yes, it really can.
40:14
Speaker 2: And I think there is a lot of loving kindness
40:17
happening too, and I think that there is.
40:22
Speaker 3: It's almost like there's a splitting happening.
40:24
Speaker 2: There's a lot of people who are choosing to be
40:28
in the panic and the fear, which is understandable on
40:31
a certain level. And there's a lot of people who
40:34
are choosing to be defiantly optimistic, and some people are
40:38
a bit of both. But I do feel that there
40:42
is this magical almost feeling of unity that's happened on
40:48
the planet through again, the irony of a very despairing moment.
40:52
You know, I wrote a poem that's been shared all
40:56
over called Viral Despair, And in this poem, I said,
41:02
you know, isn't it interesting that we find ourselves united
41:06
not in some rainbow utopia, but through the pool of
41:11
all our tears, you know, being wept. And this is
41:15
interesting to me because if one has ever been through
41:19
an actual initiation in terms of how the Indigenous initiate
41:23
their young men and their young women into adulthood, or
41:26
at least even read about them through the writings of
41:29
Robert Bly or Robert Morren Douglas Jillette, one of the
41:34
hallmarks of initiation was to put you through some kind
41:38
of drama, a psychodrama that would put to death an
41:44
old sense of yourself, an old ego at container that
41:48
would be shattered to bits, absolutely shattered to bits, which
41:52
would be a harrowing ordeal actually, but through that a
41:58
kind of phoenix rising from the act moment would happen
42:02
where you would reconfigure yourself and give birth to a
42:06
new version of yourself from the ashes, which would be
42:10
more stronger, more consolidated, more stable on a psychic level.
42:16
And you know, some would call that the dark Knight
42:19
of the soul as well, to borrow from Saint John
42:22
of the Cross, and this does feel like that moment.
42:27
And so what I've been counseling people is in those
42:33
ordeals that you would.
42:34
Speaker 3: Go through, you would have the ritual elders with you.
42:38
Speaker 2: So for me, I've been taking so lace in seeking
42:41
out indigenous elders. You know, there's a lot of them
42:44
actually speaking on various YouTube channels and on Facebook, and
42:50
they're all saying very hopeful things you know about this time,
42:57
but they're not you know, sugarcoating it, but the providing
43:01
a sort of helpful container in that this is a
43:03
real opportunity for us to change and to shift. And
43:08
I really hope that people can find that context for
43:11
their life and not just sit at home watching Netflix
43:14
and then binging on fear porn on social media, that
43:18
they can start to arrive at a deeper context that
43:21
this pandemic is not just about you know, some viral outbreak,
43:27
but that there's other dimensions at work here, and one
43:29
of them may be that we have an opportunity here
43:32
to really put to stop systems that needed to halt.
43:38
And I think we've all been decrying that in our
43:40
own social circles over dinner conversations, dinner parties, like, man,
43:44
this world, Like wow, all this crappy stuff we're doing,
43:48
the pollution and the environment, How are we ever going
43:51
to change? It just seems so beyond reach. And yet
43:55
here we are in this moment of devastating you know,
44:02
grief and adversity, devastating adversity that's really forcing us to,
44:09
you know, start to change and transform hopefully. And you know,
44:14
the elders have also been saying, we're going to get
44:15
through this. You know, this is not the end of
44:18
our species by any means. But the point is to
44:23
get through this and not be the same as we were,
44:26
to be changed, and it's really up to every individual
44:29
person what that change is going to look like. So
44:33
I also try to inspire people who look at this
44:35
pause that we have right now as something to be
44:39
utilized in a positive way, to not put too much
44:43
on yourself though, because gosh, knows we need to rest,
44:47
you know, our nervous systems have just been so bludgeoned
44:52
by this constant busy culture and all the noxious chemicals
44:55
in the air with pollution, cell phone radiation and such.
45:01
And it's also beautiful to know that the pollution has
45:03
stopped that in Beijing they can see a blue sky
45:06
and hear the birds. I mean, I used to live
45:08
in China and so polluted there, so it's amazing to
45:13
witness that. And it's also amazing to witness how quickly
45:16
but the earth is regenerating, Like wow, it doesn't take much,
45:20
you know, for the wildlife to start returning, for the
45:23
skies to clear, which is I think very important for
45:26
us to take note of.
45:28
Speaker 1: When I think you said a really important point there
45:30
where it was like not to come out of this
45:34
going right back to what it was, but there to
45:36
come out of it with some some sort of sense
45:38
of change that's happened over that, not to be exactly
45:42
the same. It's like that quote where before we rush
45:44
back to wish for everything to get back to normal,
45:47
to contemplate which parts of normal weren't working for us
45:50
or weren't weren't so great before we go back to them.
45:53
You know, I could almost guarantee you. I mean, how
45:56
many people have across their regular day don't have enough
45:59
time for a number of different things, And well we've
46:02
got an abundance of it right at the moment, So again,
46:06
what can we do? It's like, and it's not taking
46:09
away from the fact that there's all this other stuff
46:11
going on, like I mean, and there is, there's always
46:14
you know, with anything like this, you're always going to
46:16
have hardships around it. It's just the way it is.
46:19
But regards of it's happening, and if it is here,
46:24
how do we work with it to the best way
46:26
that we can? I think that's all we can really
46:27
ask ourselves to do. And then from there, let's see
46:31
what happens. But if we get more and more people
46:34
what we are here and we are all going through
46:36
it to try and do the best we can while
46:38
we are going through it, let's see what surface is after,
46:42
you know, because I do think we've got an opportunity
46:44
for a shift, you know, And the only time that
46:48
you get those download those insightful aha moments happens in
46:55
the pause. It doesn't happen the go go go like
46:57
you've got to be in that quiet calmer, slowed down
47:02
more of that alpha theta wave brain stayed in order
47:05
to be able to access that type of information. So
47:07
if we're always go, go go and stressed and worried
47:10
all the time, it's like we just can't reach it,
47:12
we can't access it. So well, so I feel like
47:15
again part of this is sort of this forced pause
47:18
to like here you go, here's a timeframe. We're not
47:21
going to have it forever. This we'll switch and we'll
47:23
move on, So we're not going to get this moment back.
47:26
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, And I think it's important
47:34
for people to, yeah, just to rest as well, you know,
47:38
just to like take the time to be you know.
47:41
I like to say, you've got to make time for
47:44
timelessness in your life, you know, and and and just
47:49
just spend time with yourself, you know. And as you said,
47:53
when we relax and we go into that you know,
47:56
more data alpha brainwave state, that is when the genius
48:00
starts to emerge in us. All you know, those downloads,
48:03
those insights, and what a blessing that we all get
48:07
to take this kind of vacation, although unpaid for a
48:11
lot of people but.
48:13
Speaker 3: To you know, take take some time.
48:17
Speaker 2: To unplug from the matrix of our reality and see
48:20
what else is out there. And I'm going to be
48:23
making a post very soon, just sharing my you know,
48:28
advice on how to you know, make one's day on
48:33
a daily basis something that can be really powerful, you know,
48:36
how to live a purposeful, meaningful life when the context
48:40
of employment and the busyness of the mundane world is
48:44
shut down. And I think for most spiritual people that's
48:48
pretty common sense.
48:49
Speaker 3: You know.
48:49
Speaker 2: You wake up, you have a morning practice, You get
48:52
in touch with your body, You get in touch with
48:53
your mind through meditation, You do your best to make
48:57
good choices with food and diet. You have spiritual scriptures
49:02
and texts and teachers that you can go to for
49:05
beautiful inspirations, and you spend time reflecting a lot more
49:11
about your life.
49:11
Speaker 3: You know.
49:12
Speaker 2: In Chinese medicine, one of the dynamics of working with
49:16
the inner alchemy of the body's chi or energy is
49:20
how important reflection is, you know, how it is kind
49:23
of like mana or food for the heart, which is
49:26
seen to be where our awareness or our soul it resides,
49:30
and how important it is to reflect on one's life
49:34
and to seek what they call the guiding realm, which
49:36
is what they call the down The nature of the
49:38
universe is guiding realm, which may sound quite new ag
49:42
but this is.
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Speaker 3: Like thousands and thousands year old tradition.
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Speaker 2: And to me, one of the great boons of Taoism
49:49
is that idea that we live in a universe that
49:52
is very benevolent and that wants to help and guide us,
49:55
and that the nature of consciousness is quite mysterious, and
50:00
a lot of scientists are now finally, you know, agreeing
50:03
to that, and there is an omnipotent kind of intelligence
50:07
that is greater than our own.
50:09
Speaker 3: That most geniuses, if you talk to them about how did.
50:11
Speaker 2: You create that or invent that or what that, most
50:14
of them will say, it just came to me in
50:16
the moment. Well, that's interesting, what is that all about.
50:20
I like to really focus in on that at my
50:21
source residence training when we get into the final module
50:24
of the Sacred Musician, you know, because I really believe
50:27
that music and most creativity is a channel dark that
50:31
the Greeks were right about, you know, having an alter
50:34
to the muses in their homes and really honoring that
50:37
creativity is a relationship between our sense of creativity and
50:40
these more mysterious divine entities. You know, they call them
50:44
the bobooties in yoga, angels in Christianity, if you will.
50:50
Speaker 3: And people are getting interested.
50:52
Speaker 2: In this stuff again, and it's a great time in
50:54
this pause to really nourish yourself with books are going
51:00
to help us and just information to repurpose our lives into.
51:03
Speaker 3: A greater context. And I can't say enough.
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Speaker 2: You know, going to the indigenous wisdom is so so
51:08
vital in this moment too, because that's been the voice
51:12
out of all the voices that's been missing in our world,
51:14
the greatest and even like our Prime minister here in Canada,
51:17
Trudeau has said when he first came into office in
51:20
his first term, he said that the Indigenous people would
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lead us.
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Speaker 3: Out of climate crisis.
51:26
Speaker 2: And I think he was very right saying that, and
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I commend him for saying that, because I've been working
51:30
with Indigenous people most of my adult life and they
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provided me with nothing short of what I consider salvation
51:37
in terms of the wisdom they've shared to me and
51:41
how it's changed my life and given me a broader
51:44
sense of the environmental crisis as a truly spiritual crisis,
51:49
and just the presence of the earth as a living being,
51:53
as what they call Mother Earth or Pacha Mama in
51:55
the indigenous of the South, has absolutely riveted and changed
51:59
mind life. And that's something moving forward that I'm going
52:03
to be writing a lot more about in some of
52:05
the books that I'm hopefully going to be publishing soon.
52:09
You know about eco spirituality, you know, merging ecology and spirituality,
52:13
which is I think what the environmental crisis has been
52:16
been really craving.
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Speaker 1: That leads me to one last question for you, Darren too,
52:21
is you have spent a lot of time working with
52:26
shamans and wisdom keepers and indigenous healers, and you've spent
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a lot of time in that world.
52:32
Speaker 3: If you were to.
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Speaker 1: Break down some of the most impactful lessons or the
52:38
biggest insights that you've gained, what would you And I
52:41
know that can be a big question, but what would
52:43
be some of the most substantial ones that really influenced you.
52:49
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's a great question for sure. I think
52:52
to cat sort of dovetail what I was just sharing,
52:56
I think regarding the earth as something alive, not just
53:02
as some kind of you know, animal intelligence, if you will,
53:06
although animals are considered much more intelligent than we will
53:09
perceived them by indigenous people.
53:12
Speaker 3: But to really acknowledge the.
53:13
Speaker 2: Earth as a living goddess, if you will, as what
53:17
the gnostics of ancient Europe would have said to me,
53:20
that's a very important thing and something I'll share on that.
53:24
Actually that's been directly happening to me is two weeks ago.
53:28
I was meditating out here on the beach one morning
53:31
and I had this kind of paranormal experience of when
53:35
I closed my eyes, I saw shimmering colored light around me,
53:39
and I just felt this presence, this very powerful mothering
53:44
presence is all loving, beautiful, beautiful presence, and this presence
53:50
really affirmed itself and communicated to me as being Mother Earth.
53:55
And I was kind of awe struck and decided to
54:00
share it publicly after I really sat with him and
54:04
reflected on it. And you know, I just ask people,
54:08
or is anyone else having these kinds of experiences? You know,
54:10
I'm seeing that the ecosystems around the world are regenerating,
54:14
and it kind of feels like she's taking a deep
54:16
breath and a sigh of relief. And then I've been
54:19
hearing these Indigenous people sharing that's the time to really
54:21
recalibrate our relation with her. And I've been really blown
54:25
away that more and more people are sharing in response. Yes,
54:28
I've been having also these strange paranormal experiences. Even a
54:33
woman shared with me today that almost the exact same
54:36
experience of rainbow flickering light around her.
54:40
Speaker 3: So I've coined this.
54:41
Speaker 2: Kind of thing called I am guy in, you know,
54:44
to borrow from a writer John Lemblash, who you know,
54:47
regarded the Earth as Gaya, which is what the ancient
54:50
Greeks called the ancient goddess of Earth. And he really
54:53
asserted this idea of calling ourselves guyan, you know, beyond
54:58
national boundaries or religious creed. And I think that's really
55:01
profound in this moment when we're all united as humans,
55:04
to really sit with that even as an affirmation I
55:07
am guying, you know, to say that with themselves, I
55:09
am a child of the Earth, and see what that
55:11
feels like. Because that's what all the Indigenous people have
55:14
been trying to tell us as well, is that we
55:15
are all children of the earth. We all came from
55:17
the same womb, the same source, and we should have
55:21
that as our primary source. Identity, the nationality, the religion,
55:25
whatever other cultural instance can happen after the fact, but
55:29
we need to really lean into that first. And I
55:31
think that's the only way we're going to solve some
55:32
of these ginormous problems that we've faced now because it
55:36
requires all of us, all hands on deck.
55:41
Speaker 1: I love that. I think that's that's beautiful. Darren work
55:46
is the best place to send people to learn more
55:48
about the work you're doing. I know, sometimes like timing
55:51
for courses and stuff like that might be a little
55:53
bit up in the air at the moment, but as
55:55
far as where they can learn when they're where they
55:57
can do some of the different work that you do.
55:58
You've got a lot of different stuff on the so,
56:00
but where's the best place to send them?
56:03
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, my website is horrendously out of date.
56:08
Speaker 3: I've been a little lazy and updating it.
56:10
Speaker 2: But Darren Austin Hall dot com is my website. But
56:16
I've been very engaged on Facebook these days. I do
56:20
have an artist professional page. I believe it's Darren Austin
56:23
Hall Sacred Musician, Spiritual educator or something to that degree.
56:28
Speaker 3: That's a great place.
56:30
Speaker 2: I'm also on Instagram as Darren Druid d r u
56:35
I D. And I also have another Instagram account called
56:38
the Nymphian where I share a lot of my secret
56:40
sexual writings. So those are two other great sources. And
56:44
then for people who want to follow my music, which
56:47
I've been really inviting people into because I've been living
56:51
with these amazing artists right now and I've been sharing
56:54
a lot. I just released two new songs that released
56:56
a whole collection of spoken word poetry Devote to the
56:59
Vine Eminine on Spotify if you just look up my
57:03
name Darren Austin Hall. And then a final resource I'll
57:07
share is a sound cloud. Is a great resource for
57:11
musicians and artists to share all kinds of things, and
57:14
my SoundCloud, in typical Gemini form, has many different dimensions.
57:20
There are spiritual talks there, there's music, and I also
57:23
run an ecstatic dance in Toronto and wherever I tour
57:26
as well, called The Big Love with a friend of
57:29
mine and a lot of my DJ drew It. Extatic
57:33
dance sets are there if people want to keep moving
57:36
and dancing, because that's important now too, you know, meditate,
57:40
the Kyla Harry bush. People would say the best meditation
57:42
comes after a good shake or dance.
57:45
Speaker 3: So I would.
57:46
Speaker 2: Inspire people to be dancing every day because that's one
57:49
of the best ways to get into your joint.
57:52
Speaker 1: That's that's so true, and it's it's so underrated. But
57:55
it's when my wife and I sons, we'll go and
57:58
do courses at this retreat center called Cripellu in Massachusetts,
58:02
and our favorite part of it, no matter what course
58:06
we're doing, is the hour long dance that happens right
58:10
from twelve to one, And it's like we're rushing from
58:13
our course to go and dance the whole time, and
58:16
it's like it's such a wonderful outlet. And like you
58:20
talked about shaking, I mean if people haven't done shaking,
58:23
I mean, shaking's got a very real aspect of recovery
58:29
from trauma and from stress and whatnot. Like you look
58:32
at what animals do, It's like when they finished everything,
58:35
that's what they do at the end of it. They shake,
58:37
and that's the discharge of that huge emotional build up.
58:40
Humans generally we don't discharge very well. So sometimes shaking
58:44
and dancing are very great ways to just discharge naturally.
58:49
Speaker 2: I think weillheartedly agree. You'll have to come to our
58:52
big Loves when we do them in the city.
58:55
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we'll keep in contact for sure. Yeah, I
58:59
think that sounds great. And when you do your blog
59:02
post on ways that people can can really make use
59:05
of this time, just let me know and then I'll
59:08
link that to I'll send it out for everybody. We'll
59:11
get all of your links at the end of the
59:13
show notes, so people know where to connect with you
59:16
and anything else that we might touch base again in
59:19
the future.
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Speaker 3: Here.
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Speaker 2: That sounds great. I've really enjoyed this, Jason, thank you
59:24
so much.
59:25
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